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Grading Brian Hartline: How Ohio State's offensive coordinator has handled 3 games of calling plays
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Ohio State's Brian Hartline is calling plays for the Buckeyes for the first time this season. During Ohio State's idle week, he spoke on Tuesday about his relationship with head coach Ryan Day and the thing he loves doing when it comes to keeping defenses off-balance.
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Bill Landis
Welcome back to the Bill and Doug show here on YouTube and on your favorite podcast. Asked Feed Grading Brian Hartline Today it's a buy buy week. It's actually an off week. I know Landis, there are people who don't like the usage of the word buy because buy implies that like you have a high seed so you don't have to play. You're just off. You didn't earn it. You're just off. Are you a bye week off week? Truther?
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Doug Maurice
No, I don't care. I like idle week. I like Idol. It's a fun word. Yeah, but I don't care.
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Bill Landis
Okay, they're not playing. We did talk to defensive coordinator Matt Patricia, offensive coordinator Brian Hartline and head coach Ryan Day on will discuss all of that this week. Brian Hartline, you and I after this meeting with him kind of were like, oh, kind of. That's. I was like upbeat Bri. Feeling good first year play caller on the offense. It feels like he's in a good mood.
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Doug Maurice
Yeah, I think. And I, I, I, I understand why, but there have been times in the past where we have done media availabilities with Brian Hartline and it's really like specific to the play calling stuff that he would appear to be like annoyed, I think by lines of questioning that would circle around like, hey, are you ready for this? Are you sure you're ready for this? Do you really think you're ready for this? And he got some of those questions on Tuesday, and I just, like, handled them much differently. I don't even. I don't think he handled them poorly before because, like, I would probably be annoyed too, if people were asking me that. But there was a different, different vibe, I think. For sure. Not like. I do not like psychoanalyzing every single press conference at Ohio State has, but this one was interesting.
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Bill Landis
I love psychoanalyzing every press conference. Ohio State.
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Doug Maurice
I know.
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Bill Landis
Happy to do that. What do you give, what grade school grade do you give? Brian Heartline through three games? And I guess we can include, like, August and the fact that they got ready for this season. And here we are.
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Doug Maurice
I'd probably go B plus. Okay. And maybe that's even a little, A little harsh of a grade. Maybe it should be like an A minus. I. I'll say B plus because I thought. Again, I understand why. I thought Texas was a little too conservative that, that game plan, the way that game was called. And that's probably it. Like, rambling, whatever. Great. I actually rather like the game he called against Ohio, including the stuff in the red zone, which Ryan Day also seemed to like with what he said on Tuesday. It was more like the. He thought the scheme was good, right? It's always a scheme, players, something else. But he thought this. He thought the scheme was good coaching. Yeah, he thought the scheme was good there. And then the coaching point was like coaching more on the details. And obviously, like players, you have to, you know, you know, block power a little better. But yeah, so B plus.
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Bill Landis
I think I give him an A minus. And I think it is a constant reminder that there are Ds out there, there are Fs out there, there are guys who have gotten kicked out of school out there, right? So, man, three weeks in, you're doing the homework, you're showing up for discussion section, you're taking notes in class. Like, it's hard to have a full A. Both Matt Patricia and Brian Hartline. And we'll grade Matt Patricia on another show. You know, they haven't done this at Ohio State before. Brian Hartline's never done this in his life to be an offensive play caller, but there's a lot that can go wrong. He's a freshman play caller. When there was a guy in my dorm freshman year that the walls were close enough together that if you put your hands against one wall and your feet on the other wall, you could, like, walk up the wall and he did that one day, and he stepped on the fire alarm, and so we all had to go out outside. And then I think a couple weeks later, he shot the fire alarm with the Super Soaker squirt gun, and he got kicked out of housing. So it's a reminder that it's like, hey, Bill and Doug, why aren't you giving Brian Hartline an A? Because that's out there. And to, like, sometimes just getting by is enough. But Brian Hartline's. Brian Hartline's waking up. Brian Hartline's getting breakfast before class. He's not, like, running there in his sweatpants because he woke up six minutes ago. Like, I think he's. He's checking every box. And part of it today was Clay Hall.
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Doug Maurice
The.
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Bill Landis
The. The former great Columbus, Ohio, TV sports anchor is still there and asking questions and doing stuff. And he sort of asked Brian Hartline like, a three pack of, is Ryan Daley letting you do anything? And he finished it with, so the training wheels are off. And that's exactly the kind of thing that could set off a guy like Brian Hartline. Training wheels, right? And instead he said something like, you know what? I'll always have the training wheels on. It was like, my gosh, you are a friendly fella today. You must be feeling good.
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Doug Maurice
Yeah, but it's a. It's a. It's a honest, I think, assessment of the situation, right? Like, it's always going to be Ryan Day's offense. It was Ryan Day's offense when Chip Kelly was calling it. Like, you don't think Ryan Day was over Chip Kelly's shoulder, saying, I think we should do this, this and this. Like, you're sadly mistaken. So, of course that's happening with Brian Hartline. Perhaps it's happening more with time. Maybe it'll happen less, but it's always going to happen. And Brian Hartline knows that. Ryan Day understands it. Like, they seem to have a pretty good connection, which was talked about a little bit, I think, the last time we spoke with Brian Hartline. It's just like, you know, right? As long as Brian Hartline has been a coach, he's worked alongside Ryan Day or worked for him, whatever, however you want to define the capacity. So, like, they know each other. They. They know each other's idiosyncrasies, and I think, you know, how they handle situations and when to speak up and when to, you know, live the fight another day and that kind of stuff, right? Like, that. That's part of a. Of a good staff. I think and they'll have. They'll have more difficult challenges ahead where maybe navigating those things could be a little more difficult than they have been so far. But I don't know. Nothing I've seen both on the field and. And talking to people would have me concerned about Ohio State's ability to get past that stuff when it does happen.
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Bill Landis
He said sort of like the idea of, oh, you know, are you still listening to Ryan Day, or are you allowed to do whatever you want to do? And he said, like, well, if you have a great head coach, it would be reckless to just do whatever you want to do. Which I thought was a really good word and an answer to that. Right. I thought that was a good way to express that.
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Doug Maurice
Yes, because he's right. Even if Orion Day were a defensive coach, which of course he's not, and he would just say, like, yeah, Brian, go ahead, do whatever you want. I mean, you go ahead, you devise the game plan. Let me know on Friday what you think we're gonna do in this one.
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Bill Landis
Right?
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Doug Maurice
Like, nobody. Nobody goes about it that way. So it's. I guess we're parsing phrasing a little bit with some of the questions that were asked to him. But again, nothing surprising, nothing is surprising about the dynamic between Ryan Day and Brian Hartline, you know, and it would, frankly, I think, would be the way it is, no matter who was calling the plays, regardless of their experience.
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Bill Landis
So I. I think about this a lot with, like, actors and actresses, right? That when they are somebody that you have seen your whole life, that you remember them from 25 or 30 years ago, when they were 35 or 40 years old, and now they're 65 or 70. Right? Like, you think about even, like, Matt Damon's in the. In the pickleball commercial with David Beckham. And Matt Damon has, like, a gray beard, right?
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Doug Maurice
Yeah.
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Bill Landis
When I see Matt Damon, I still see. How about them apples? Matt Damon, right? That's who I see.
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Doug Maurice
Yeah.
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Bill Landis
Good. I see Will Hunting. That's who I see. And then I just think to myself, oh, yeah, Will Hunting has a gray beard, but someone who is 14 years old and is just coming to the Matt Damon experience now just sees a guy with a gray beard, and they're like, who's this oldster talking about pickleball in a beer commercial? And it's like, well, that's Matt Damon. It's, well, Hunting, but they don't see him that way. Right. But you always retain sort of the previous, younger version of that.
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Doug Maurice
It's Like Doogie Howser. Yeah, yeah, right.
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Bill Landis
You might see all the dude. Actually, Neil Patrick Harris looks exactly the same as he did when he was 11.
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Bill Landis
I think of Ryan Day. I was looking at some old videos of Ryan Day because I was going through like red zone stuff and like what coaches have said about red zone stuff over the years. And I found like a 2017 or 18 Ryan Day video with no beard. He looks like he's 25, right when he was just the offensive coordinator at Ohio State. And so I think I still kind of think of Ryan Day that way. And I think maybe there's some Ohio State fans who think, because that's how you. That's how you were introduced to him. Okay. And obviously this is going to be kind of not the point because that's how Brian Hartline knows him too. But if you just know, just try to picture Ryan Day like you're new to Ryan Day and it's like, oh, who's this guy? And it's like, oh, it's a guy with a beard who's the defending national champion, who, when he gets to 100 wins, will have the second best winning percentage in college football history behind Newt Rockne. You see, that's who he is now. And if you aren't held back by thinking about him as the fresh phrase 2018 offensive coordinator, then you see him as an established, like, dominant head coach. Okay, so here's what, here's. That's a long preamble to this. Some of the questions that we ask people like Brian Hartline about Ryan Day, I don't think we would ask them if Nick Saban was the head coach, because it'd be like, hey, does Nick Saban let you do whatever you want to do? And it'd be like, hell, no. Nick Saban doesn't let me. Are you kidding me? This guy's a legend. Of course. But to Brian Hartline, Ryan Day is Nick Saban. Now, he also knew him way back then. The whole point, as you said, if they've been together the whole time, to Brian Hartline, to Billy Fessler, to a lot of people, to Julian, saying, Ryan Day is Nick Saban. Ryan Day is as good as it gets in the profession. And so I think sometimes we don't think about him that way, and it leads us down paths of questions that if it was a different head coach, we never would ask.
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Doug Maurice
I think that's true. That and I don't. Again, like, it's. It's a parsing phrasing, but, like, Ryan Day probably did not help himself a ton with, like, the head coach of the defense stuff, which, like, to me is, like, totally logical. Right. Like, of course that's what you want in your defensive coordinator. When you say that, you, like, sort of, like, give away some of your power. Right. Or some of. Some of your mystique. So. But he absolutely has it in the building. And I actually thought you were going to say that to some people on the beat when Brian Hartline is still standing up there answering questions. He's just a wide receiver in 2008, and it's like you're calling the Blaze. Yeah. So that could be. That could be part of it, too.
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Bill Landis
I think that. That's kind of what I think.
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Doug Maurice
Yeah.
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Bill Landis
Like, Brian Hartline being like, be out there covering a kickoff and blowing somebody up on special teams. It's like, no, he's in charge of the offense now. I did think the discussion, again, he was talking about that relationship while saying, of course, you listen to your experience. Head coach, it would be reckless not to. He said, if we're discussing a play and I don't like it, I'm going to say I don't like it. And then he's. If I'm. He said, if I'm wrong, I. I'm wrong, and you learn from it. So. And he said, the thickness of skin is great, but it Just we're not in there, and they could be in there gouging each other's eyes out and then putting a happy face on it when they come out of the room. But you sure? I think you sure like the way it was discussed by Brian Hartline on Tuesday, at the very least. And I believe him.
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Doug Maurice
No, I believe him, too. I think the. The one thing about Brian Hartline is, like. It's like he's. He's a straight shooter. Like, I think if. If something were amiss, even if he didn't directly say it, I think we might be able to figure it out. So I. I found, like, the way he answered things, the way he, like, just sort of, like, general demeanor, like, pretty encouraging. And that. That thing about the back and forth about the. The thick skin is probably the most interesting part of this dynamic between the two of them, because remember a couple weeks ago, Ryan Day was talking about it, probably answering a very similar question, and he was saying, like, yeah, when I got here to call plays, like, I had to stand firm against Urban Meyer when. When I had an idea that I thought was worthwhile, and sometimes he was wrong, and he and Urban would go back and forth on it, and it would come to a good conclusion. It's like, now. Now Ryan Day is Urban Meyer and Brian Hartline is Ryan Day in 2017. Right. So that, to me, is just like, healthy staff relationships, I think.
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Bill Landis
Right.
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Doug Maurice
Yeah. There's no. There's no hard feelings in search for what's best for Ohio State football. And I think they both get that.
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Bill Landis
It was funny just, again, parsing words. At some point, Brian Hartline was about to say, I'm happy with how things are going. And then he said, I don't want to say happy, because that's one of those where, like, no coach is ever happy because you can always get better. But he said, I'm okay with it, but he meant it in the best. It was the best okay ever. And then I do think I. I do think there's results on the field to base it on that are real.
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Bill Landis
But he also did say, like, just being. To play Carly, he said, it's been awesome. I've really enjoyed it. And again, that idea of not, you're not only in charge of your room, you're now talking to everybody. You have different relationships with the running backs and the offensive linemen and the quarterbacks than you did before. I think it's good. And I thought he, like. He, like, sort of restated that, what they wanted to do in the first three weeks before this Idol week, if he thinks they've kind of checked the boxes on what they wanted to do.
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Doug Maurice
I did think that was interesting. Right. And, and part of me does wonder if, if him maybe we caught him at a good time because I, I bet there was some stuff in the Texas game. Maybe at times he didn't feel like he had like, carte blanche to do what he wanted. Right. And not that he hasn't. Not that he has it now, but I'm, I think like, you know, playing an overmatched opponent like Grambling playing Ohio, I would imagine allowed him to get into a little more of a rhythm. Right. Because that, that Texas game looms so large throughout the off season. There was so much pressure of the moment in that game. And then you like, kind of like exhale a little bit and, and now start to build some momentum and build some comfort in, in the role and because I, again, like, I thought, I thought he called a good game against Ohio to some of the stuff they were doing. There were like tendency breakers in there that I thought were interesting, which is like, stuff of course you have to do. So from a game planning perspective and then sort of like calling things on the fly. It was, it was just really good. And like I said, right. Like, so the next time he calls plays, it's going to be loud as heck in Seattle against a pretty good Washington team. So that'll be, that'll be very different. But thus far, I think most of it's been pretty good, including, including seemingly the communication because there was absolutely a world where we're watching Ohio State play and feeling like, boy, it feels like it's taking them a long time to get the play call in right. And. Or they're taking delay. They did take one delay of game penalty last week, but I haven't really felt that either. So that I think is a good sign.
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Bill Landis
I mean, think about if Ohio State had lost to Texas 14 to 7 and gotten stopped on downs in the red zone twice.
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Doug Maurice
Right.
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Bill Landis
Because I thought going into that, if you had said, well, the deciding factor, the Ohio State Texas game is going to be. Steve Sarkeesian is one of the best play callers in the sport and he is a head coach who has retained play calling, which a lot of us were like, sort of begging Ryan Day to give up to allow him to become a better overall head coach. And then the idea of, okay, Ryan Day did the right thing and gave it up, Steve Sarkeesian won't give it up, but in the moment of that game that gave Texas an edge. And then if we had looked at that and said, man, to play a couple play calls here or there, I think Ohio State beats Texas and that's not where we are. You could look back and say what Stark decided to do on fourth down at the goal line and like the fact that he didn't run Arch Manning enough in the first half. Like Steve Sarkeesian got out called, I think by Brian Hartline and Ryan Day. And so that even in the process of. You think he's gotten better since Texas, I was fully prepared and I think in the. In in the name of progress that it would have been worth it. I was prepared for Ohio State to lose its opener because of offensive play calling. And that did not happen.
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Doug Maurice
It did not happen. And I don't know about you that for me anyway. And, and perhaps it's just because we've had so many conversations about should Ryan Day call plays or not over the last couple of years. Like the images throughout the Texas game of Steve Sarkeesian, like scrap crunched or whatever. I don't know what the position is crouched down on the sideline with his head buried in his play sheet. It's just like I don't know that that's what a head coach should be doing. Man, I get it, he's a good play caller. But I think you got to have your eyes up, not be Ben over on the sideline. And like that's the point. And, and Ryan Day got to that point with Chip Kelly and now I, you know, as we said, that gave him some comfort to allow Brian Hartland to do what he's doing now.
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Bill Landis
A little specificities within the Brian Hartline conversation. He said that Ohio State got where it went last year because of the run game. And, and Tim May had asked sort of like, hey you, everyone thought you're a receiver guy. You're just going to chuck it around. And he just was very strong. We need to be able to run the ball. I did just double check drop backs versus called runs, taking scrambles out of that. Last year, according to PFF, Ohio State had 497 drop backs and 494 called runs. So 50, 50 this year they have 83 drop backs and 100 called runs. Now two like the Grambling State blowout. Right. You're not just maybe chuck it around against backups, but you know, they've called more runs than passes for the first three games, which is something.
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Doug Maurice
Well, the Texas game excuse it too because they ran so much in that game. And Grambling probably balanced it out, at least with the starters because they didn't run the ball very much with the starters in the game. So I, I think they will eventually. So I think I said this coming in the year like around 50, 50, but I would, I would still think with a slight lean toward the pass last year was around.
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Bill Landis
Would you think that heartline, heartline centric or personnel? Centric, if personnel Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate are just above where the running backs are right now.
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Doug Maurice
Well, that and it's like the simple math of taking Will Howard's carries out of the offense. Right. And you have to replace them somehow. And like Coach, some go to the running backs. Will some go to the running backs. Yes, of course. But Will had 100 and something carries last year. So like, if you turn 50 in the running back carries and 50 into 50 additional passes, then that's kind of what I had in mind.
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Bill Landis
So you think close to 50, 50 pass lean. And you know, C.J. stroud's second year, they're more like 55, 45 pass. Right. So, I mean, they'll, they'll rain either way. I've looked this up a lot over the years.
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Doug Maurice
Yeah. I think they've only actually been higher than 50 pass twice. The Kyle McCordy. Kyle McCordier and I think CJ's first year.
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Bill Landis
First year. Okay.
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Doug Maurice
Yeah.
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Bill Landis
So. But, but they don't. Yeah, they're usually 50 between 55, 45 one way and 55, 45 the other way. But often around like 50, 50, 52, 48 kind of thing.
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Doug Maurice
Yeah. So like right now, right now they're 55 run, which is actually a little higher than they were last year. But against Ohio, they were 48 run. So like, that's okay. 52, 48 to the pass is probably something about what I had in mind.
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Bill Landis
You think that's where it settles? Probably, yeah. Okay. In a typical game, the other thing that I thought was interesting, I mean, so he's, he's espousing balance. And then he was talking about play action, the idea that, you know, if you can't run the ball, it's hard to work play action. He said, I'm a big. Which is a myth. I wasn't going to say it because I didn't want to get into play action. I mean, every football nerd in the world will tell you that you, whether you can run the ball or not, if you, if you fake a handoff to the running back, the linebackers are going to freeze and the safeties are going to take one step toward the line even if you haven't run the ball in a month. It's human nature. You cannot stop yourself.
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Bill Landis
He said. I'm a big fan of the art of selling something you're not doing, which I think I am in favor of generally in life. But that was a cool thing for an offensive coordinator to say.
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Doug Maurice
It was a pretty good quote. Yeah, yeah. And like the smirk he had on his face as he said it too. It was a little maniacal I thought. But it is a huge part of what to do. I actually did you look up their play action percentage? I haven't looked that up yet.
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Bill Landis
I did. I looked up one thing. I looked up the drop back thing.
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Doug Maurice
I'll I can look because I do.
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Bill Landis
Think sometimes, I mean play action can be a crutch for certain quarterbacks. Yeah, I, I actually, I mean I've looked up different play action things with different teams enough over the years. If there's a quarterback, if I'm trying to compare quarterbacks and there's one who a third of his snaps of his passes are play action and another one who's 5% of his snaps or play action, I think higher of the guy who's not using play action as much. Even if it's smart coaching, I think it, it's too helpful, which is why coaches should do it. But then I think like well man, you run play action, it's magic.
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Doug Maurice
So Julian saying at the Moment is at 43 of his drop backs include play action now gotta be.
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Bill Landis
That's has to be high compared to Ohio State past years. Right.
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Doug Maurice
So it's a little higher.
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Bill Landis
Will Howard.
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Doug Maurice
No.
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Bill Landis
43.
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Doug Maurice
Let me see. Will Howard last year was 38.2. C.J. stroud in 2022 it was 37.6. But the problem is like there's play action and then there's like actual play action.
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Bill Landis
Right.
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Doug Maurice
A lot of Ohio State's shotgun drop backs will include like a little, a little play action bluff. But that's. I don't know that I count that and I think that number that's according to profitable focus. It also includes RPOs and they, they have sprinkled in a decent amount of RPOs in the last two games too. So like it's not true. Like I'm in the pistol or I'm in shotgun, I'm turning my back to the defense kind of play action I would imagine without looking it up accounts for 10 if that of Julian Sain's passing attempts. But yeah, yeah, I mean that's, that's pretty high. But I don't know. I guess that's not terribly surprising for a first time starter. I think it will level off. It will level off to be something like more like what we saw from C.J. and, and Will.
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Bill Landis
But we all. It'll be interesting. Maybe Brian Hartline likes it more. Maybe they wind up with 8 to 10 more play action. And then in the past because Brian Hartline likes it.
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Doug Maurice
I will say this too. So I don't, I don't remember if we talked about this at all. We were after Juliet saying was named the starter. But. And it's a rarity in high school. It is a rarity in high school football for a quarterback like Julian Saying to go under center as much as he was in high school. And like he was doing a lot of that stuff. So like it is, it is comfortable to him because I don't play action can help a young quarterback. But also the idea of a young quarterback turning his back on the defense is terrifying. So yeah, I actually think there's some more a higher level of comfort with some of that stuff with Julian because he did do it in high school.
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Bill Landis
Okay. I thought the last thing that Brian Hartline said that was also like a little window into how he thinks is you're judged on doing things that others don't do. And so, and he said if, if he can do it, then you're replaceable. Which is just a, which is a realistic way of viewing things. It's a fascinating way of doing things. But also, and I think the way Brian Hartline would apply that to his room is like, well, everybody in this receiver's room can catch. Just because you can catch doesn't mean you're special. What else can you do that others can't? But I think it's a little bit of a window into Brian Hartline because I think we just all need to keep this in mind that everybody had strengths and then maybe not even weaknesses as a coach, but lesser strengths. And which it was why if, if people were getting bogged down in a Jim Knowles recruiting discussion, I just think like that was beside the point. That's not why he's here. If I don't know what the reality is going to be around Matt Patricia as a recruiter. But like that's not why he's here. But I think when you think about Brian Hartline, the thing that Brian Hartline could wind up being, he does not have to be the best artistic game day play caller in the world, right? Because he's already arguably the best recruiter and developer of talent as a position coach in college football. So now if he's also a play caller, he could make himself among the most valuable offensive coordinators in the country without being the best play caller. Because, hey, I can call plays. There's lots of people who can call plays. But then the thing that he can do that others can't is get Jeremiah Smith to come to Ohio State is build a room of all five stars and let those guys be willing to wait for two years for their chance to play. He's already stab established that he can do things that others can't. So just as we talk about Brian Hartline, I don't think the threshold and like Chip Kelly can't do that. Chip Kelly was not the best recruiter in the country. So Brian Hartline has to be good enough as a play caller to allow Ohio State to succeed. But he already does something better than everybody else. He's already judged on that. I do just think the threshold for him and I don't want to like lower the bar ahead of time for him, but my anticipation for him is not be the best in game play caller in the country, but I think he could be among the best offensive coordinators because the totality of what he brings.
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Doug Maurice
I, I am now wanting to dive in More on people who fit that profile. Right. There are a lot of really good play callers. There have been a lot of really good play callers in this sport. How many of them got to that position by being the absolute best position coach at their position in the country? There's one I. There's one I can think of. His name's Nick Saban. Yeah, like Saban mastermind defensive back coach turns into mastermind defensive coordinator turns into mastermind head coach. That's interesting. Not to put too much pressure on Brian Hartley.
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Bill Landis
It's just. It's not the. Like, there's a lot of schemers, like, a lot of.
- [30:40]
Doug Maurice
Sure, that's great. Yeah. But. But that's Kelly. Like, Kelly's a schemer. Like Kelly.
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Bill Landis
Yeah.
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Doug Maurice
Kelly has coached, I think, like, every position you can coach, but I don't think he's ever had the reputation of, like, this guy is a great position, whatever coach. Right. He's just like.
- [30:55]
Bill Landis
Right.
- [30:55]
Doug Maurice
He sees the whole picture really well and. And can game plan and scheme it up as well as anybody. But I don't know if you made him your receivers coach, if you'd be the best receivers coach in college football.
- [31:07]
Bill Landis
So you take a lot of schemers, and then I think you say, hey, like, you got to make sure you can recruit well enough. Right? Well enough. But I don't know that you would take a schemer, a guy who locks himself in a room as an exit and draws X's and O's on napkins and be like, by the way, you better be great in building relationships or what are we doing here? Because it's hard to be the best at everything. And honestly, I think a lot of those skills are almost diametrically opposed to each other, because schemer, to me almost implies. Implies that mad scientists lock yourself in a dark room and draw up plays. Recruiter and developer. That is, at least it was back in the day, getting to know families, getting to know players, having a personality where. Where guys and families believe in you and want to come play in you, and then being able to teach, which is a very different. That's why there are some people who are brilliant at science, and some of them become family doctors because they have that bedside manner. Some of them become surgeons because they're in there, like, saving your life, but maybe they don't really know how to talk to you. And some of them stay in the lab and try to cure cancer. And they all have medical degrees. But I don't know that we yell at the neurosurgeon and be like, hey, man, that four year old came in here and was afraid of a shot and you were kind of a jerk. And it's like, well, actually, I'm sorry, I was like doing brain surgery or you. And sometimes when you're a coach, it's like we're yelling at guys because they're not all of that. So Brian Hartline's already judged by what he can do that others can't. But maybe also he might be pretty good at calling place.
- [32:47]
Doug Maurice
He might be. Yeah. So so far so good. I think I would say when. And that was hardly a guarantee.
- [32:54]
Bill Landis
Which we have to remind ourselves on. Yeah, this is a. This is a very. This is a very optimistic. Everyone's feeling good with this. A plus. Excuse me? B plus slash A minus. Because you walked into the test thinking I could fail. Did you do that a lot in college land? Just like walk in thinking like, ah, I think I might fail this. And then you come out with the B plus and you're like, yes.
- [33:19]
Doug Maurice
Yeah, all the time. Also, you. You opened the show by sharing a story about a guy who almost got kicked out of housing. I almost got kicked out of housing when I was a freshman. No.
- [33:26]
Bill Landis
What did you do? Did you climb a wall too?
- [33:28]
Doug Maurice
No. So the way our dormitories were set up, it was like there weren't sorority houses. So the sororities were in the dorm building. So like my building was first floor sorority, second floor gen pop. Sorority Gen pop. Sorority gen pop. And the sororities had lounges on the first floor. And one day, one day their furniture was sitting outside of the lounge and they had like this really sweet couch. And I was like, oh, they must be throwing this out. So, like, me and my buddy grabbed it and took it up to our room and put it in our room. And it turned out they were just cleaning their lounge. So we had this couch in our room for like a week. And I guess the sorority had been like looking for it frantically and they finally found it in our room. And the whatever head of the sorority wanted to like, take me before the student conduct board or something for theft. It was honestly just a mistake. And thankfully my RA like, stood up for me. But yeah, it got pretty dicey there.
- [34:22]
Bill Landis
For a second sorority couch thief. Bill Landis.
- [34:27]
Doug Maurice
Yes.
- [34:28]
Bill Landis
Wow. Okay. That would have been a heck of a way to get booted.
- [34:33]
Doug Maurice
Yeah. Yeah, I would have maybe like transferred a temple or something. But thankfully that didn't happen.
- [34:39]
Bill Landis
I gotta be honest, I didn't know you could accidentally steal a couch.
- [34:45]
Doug Maurice
The excuse works.
- [34:49]
Bill Landis
You see a thing, you assume it's being thrown away and you take ownership of it. That is a heck of a way to go through life. Bill Landis. Okay, you survived. Take that sorority. Okay, that's grading. Brian Hartline, you can check back tomorrow for grading. Matt, Patricia, you can check back all week for what we're doing here on the Bill and Doug Show. For now, he's Bill Anderson. Douglas, Maurice. And that was the Bill and Doug Show.
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