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The Bill and Doug Show: Ohio State Football Talk
How Ohio State QB Julian Sayin handled more responsibility vs. Grambling
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This is your Monday rewatch episode of The Bill and Doug Show, where Bill Landis offers some additional thoughts on Julian Sayin's performance in Ohio State's 70-0 win against Grambling State, following a rewatch of the game.
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Hello. Happy Monday Morning. Welcome back to the Bill and Doug Show. Just Bill with you here on this Monday. It is our Monday Re Watch podcast coming off of Ohio State 70 to nothing win against Grambling State and I thought I would use this episode to talk a little bit about Julian Saiyans day. If you join us over on the substack page billanddugosu.substack.com I will have a more kind of fleshed out Re watch off of the Grammar game. Talking a little bit about Julian saying certainly some other things I saw that I thought were interesting. Highlighting a couple of couple of the contributions that Ohio State got from some young guys including Bo Jackson at running back and Riley Pettigon at linebacker and what that might mean. But for this year episode on YouTube and on Apple and on Spotify, wherever you're finding us on your podcast, this will be about Julian Sain's day. So Julian saying officially in the win against scrambling, 18 of 19, 306 yards, four touchdowns and one interception. So his only completion was the interception that he threw down on the goal line in the first half of that game. I think Ohio State at that point was up 28 to nothing. I'm looking to go up 35 to nothing and Julian saying throw a pick on the goal line. We'll talk about that in a second but I wanted to highlight A couple of things from Julian saying in that game because it was granted not, not the strongest caliber of opponent and certainly a tremendous step down from what Ohio State saw in the season opener against Texas. But Ryan Day said after the game that they wanted to put some more things on Julian Saiyan's plate. And that definitely happened in this game. Not, not a ton. And again, he only played the first half, which, you know, I think is a good thing. That means Ohio State got up comfortably and was able to get the backups into the second half of the game. So it was just one half of football for Julian Sam. But in that half Ohio State was intentional about throwing ball. I said on one of our podcasts last week it might have been the Sunday soundoff show we did for our subset substack subscribers coming off of the Texas game that Ohio State ran the ball in that game north of 60% well in this game against Grambling with the intention of getting Julian Saying more work. The offense threw the ball 63% of the time while the starters were in there. I didn't, I didn't chart it once the starters went out, but when Julian Sane was in there with the starting offensive line and starting tight ends and mostly starting receivers, Ohio State did throw the ball 63 of the time. Because I wanted to see how Julian Saying would respond to being put in some different situations. And among them things specifically that Ryan Day mentioned were increasing the amount of run pass options that Ohio State ran. And I counted probably a handful, about five or so. Stuff you've seen before, right, that you, you call a run, you have receivers to the outside. I think it's more often than not pre snap the quarterback decides whether or not he's going to throw a bubble screen, whether it be to Carnel Tate, Jeremiah Smith or Brandon Ennis or hand the ball off, determined by numbers and, or leverage on the outside. And, and Ohio State did a couple of that, did a couple of those against Grambling. Usually good. Like usually I didn't actually didn't average them up, but I would say I would guess the average on those throws and again there were about five of them was somewhere in the neighborhood of about, about 7 yards. And if you think of it well, you're calling a run and combining it with a pass. If you were to run the ball for seven yards every time, you feel pretty happy about that. So a seven yard pass in those situations is pretty good. The one thing we didn't see, which I think we will see more as Julian saying sort of gets more and more of the offense are those like second level run pass options where you, where you read it, pull the ball and then throw a slant or something, right? Like something a little farther downfield than just a little bit of a bubble screen. We actually saw Lincoln Keenholtz do that in the second half of this game against Scrambling on a completion to Bryson Rogers. I don't, I don't believe Julian Saying did it in this game and I'm, I don't believe he did it against Texas either. But, but clearly that will be part of the offense, especially when you have a quarterback like Saying who is not a tremendous run threat but you still need to, you know, equate numbers and, and control defenses and give yourself a chance to run the ball well. And the way you do that is to throw RPO. RPOs, excuse me, off of those runs. So I think we'll see more of that. But in terms of calling simpler run pass options and giving Julian Saying, you know, a decision whether it's pre snap or post snap, I think he aced all of them probably. I would say maybe there were one or two where again, because of the caliber of opponent, it was hard to be wrong. Had he handed it off, it probably would have went well. And if he threw the ball and it did go well, so you take everything in this game with it with a little bit of a grain of salt. I think Grambling is not only an FCS team, but a pretty bad FCS team. So Ohio State was, was able to do what it wanted more or less and was able to, you know, really like work on some things in this game and still find success and still end up scoring 10 touchdowns. But handling the RPO, handling, you know, an uptick in the pace with the tempo. I thought Julian Saying did all of that. Well, I don't believe Ohio State had any procedural penalties while he was in the game. They had one late in the game where they weren't lined up right on one play and had a touchdown taken off the board but ended up scoring a couple plays later anyway. But I don't, I don't know that there was anything, you know, false start wise or misalignment wise while Julian Saying was running the offense. So those are the things you look out for, I guess, when you're running tempo and whether or not the quarterback can, you know, get the, get what he. Get whatever information he needs to relay to his teammates and get everybody lined up and get the ball snapped in an efficient manner. And Ohio State seem to do that well. And we'll see. You know, it's been a question since last year how much tempo becomes a weapon for this team. Ohio State really slowed things down last season. Played a very slow against Texas. I don't know that suddenly deciding to play with tempo against Grambling is an indication of a shift back in that direction. But there will come times when Ohio State has to play faster. So this was good practice I think for Julian saying to do some of that in a game setting. And again he did seem to handle that well. I'm going to try to pull some charts up here, so bear with me if you're watching on YouTube because I just want to give you an idea of, you know, slightly how different things were in the Grambling game against for Julian saying as opposed to the Texas game. So let me see if I can get this to show up here. This is the passing chart from the Texas game and you'll see if you look at the chart there that the top line. This is from Pro Football focus passes of 20 yards or more against Texas, there was just one, only one attempt. That was the ball to Carnell Tate, the 40 yard touchdown. That ended up being the decided deciding touchdown against Texas. But that was the only pass to Julian saying in that game threw more than 20 yards down the field. Now if we look at the Grambling chart, you know, it wasn't a massive uptick, but he did do it more in. In that game there were three attempts of 20 yards or more against scrambling according to this chart, according to numbers kept by. By pff. So. So three in this game compared to one against Texas. One other thing I looked at on sports info solutions, you can look at like air yards and how far guys are throwing the ball down the field. Attempts of 15 plus air yards down the field, there was one again against Texas. There were four in this game against Grambling. So that's opening up a little bit. You want to see Julian saying push the ball down the field some more. Ohio State was intent on finding more explosive plays in this game against Grambling. One, because they knew they could do it against a defense like this. And two, they only just have really had the one in the passing game at least or yeah, I guess, you know, generally for the offense in total against Texas. So more, more explosive plays against scrambling both in the air and on the ground, which again I'll probably write a little bit about what I saw from the rushing attack. Not just Bo Jackson, but better stuff from like C.J. donaldson and James Peoples too. I thought in, in this game against Scrambling. So that might be part of the written the written re watch I do over on Substack as well. But not surprising that Ohio State would find more explosive plays against a team like this, but it was like a directive to do so and they did. You know, there are plenty of teams that are massive, massive favorites against FCS teams and come out and kind of play clunky and still win comfortably. But it probably doesn't look as as efficient as Ohio State made it look on Saturday, especially with the way that it threw the ball with when really like the ball didn't hit the ground. When you think about it, Julian saying completed 18 passes to his team and one pass to the other team and otherwise that was it. He threw 19 passes and the ball never touched the ground. So you can be better than that because you cannot throw the pick. But but aside from that, that's about as efficient as it gets.
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And watching at first blush, you know there were guys open. I don't want to pretend like there weren't. It wasn't the highest degree of difficulty for Julian saying operating the offense in this game, but he had to make some smart decisions. He had. He did have to make some interesting reads. I think there were even opportunities to build upon. Miscues is probably too strong of a word. But but stuff that happened in the Texas game in this Grambling game. And there was one play in particular that, that did stick out to me that I want to talk about here. And I'll show you some screenshots. I apologize for not showing the video. I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed. Not allowed to. So I'm trying to show restraint there. But I will show you some, some screenshots. So here is play from the Texas game that I think we all remember. So this is the fourth and one pass that went to Max Claire that Max Claire dropped on the sideline. And a lot of people, myself included afterward, were talking about why didn't Julian Saying throw the ball to Jeremiah Smith? Who, if you're watching on YouTube and you look at the screenshot bottom left of the screen, the guy in the red jersey that is about to run past the guy in the white jersey, that's Jeremiah Smith. And they're no. There is no other guy in a white jersey that is lingering deeper off screen to cut off this route. This is, this is a wide open goalball for Jeremiah Smith. But Julian Saying doesn't throw it despite. You know, I think at this point in the play, I think you could reasonably expect that he should see Jeremiah Smith breaking open. The. The explanation, which I kind of get was that earlier on in this play, Julian Saying thought the safety in the middle of the field was perhaps gaining more depth and trying to come over to Jeremiah Smith before ultimately kind of flattening out and running with Max Cl Claire toward the sideline. So that's why he didn't throw the ball deep. That's why he threw the ball to Max Claire again, like there were three guys open. Julian Saying threw to one of them and it should have been caught. So it's not like it was a bad play. But I was curious what might happen the next time Julian Saying found himself in a situation where it was clear that Jeremiah Smith was the guy to get the ball down the field. And it happened against scrambling one game later on Jeremiah Smith's 87 yard touchdown. And this was a play where I thought to myself as it happened, like, well, nobody just covered Jeremiah. And look, he's open. You can see him here at the bottom of the screen. But this looks like it's a two deep zone, like a cover two kind of look from Grambling and the receiver or the defender, excuse me, that's like right near. Jeremiah Smith was gaining depth with him until he saw some of these underneath routes start to develop and then he has to account for those two. So he kind of got Caught in between. And then there's one deep safety and there's this hole between them. And Julian Sainz sees that hole in the defense and attacks it. And he threw the ball down the field on a strike on the run for Jeremiah Smith and he got an 87 yard touchdown out of it, which I believe was the longest pass play in the history of Ohio Stadium. So not only was it a bounce back from, you know, not doing something he probably should have done in Texas, he made a little bit of Ohio Stadium history while doing it. So again, like, I don't consider this the most high degree of difficulty of throw. You're throwing to a pretty open Jeremiah Smith, but there's, there's a measure of anticipation involved with this and understanding what the coverage is and how you're attacking it. And again, like mostly not letting the opportunity to throw the ball to a wide open Jeremiah Smith go by the wayside because like as I said during the week leading up to this game, those just aren't going to happen a lot with the attention that Jeremiah Smith gets. So when they do happen, you have to take advantage of them. And Julian saying did that on this particular play, which was nice to see. We'll wrap up with the interception that Julian saying threw. And again, I don't have video. I did grab a screenshot that I'll pull up on the screen in a second. I think the biggest issue with that was that he was just like kind of late with his decision making. I don't, I know I saw some conversation of, well, was this any indication of Julian saying being a smaller quarterback and not being able to see over his line and making a bad decision because of that? I, I don't, I don't know that my mind went there. I think that's something that's maybe natural to think about when you do have a quarterback who is somewhat on the smaller side. But, but I don't, I don't think that's what happened on this play. So it was a two man kind of route concept with Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate. Jeremiah Smith ran a slant and Carnell Tate kind of ran like an out sort of not quite into the flat, a little bit deeper than that, but, but behind him. And there was pretty good coverage on Carnell Tate. But as the play developed there was probably, there was, I think an opportunity to get the ball to Carnell, had Julian saying just like seen that immediately and, and thrown it. And there was some hesitation on the play. And this is a screenshot I grabbed. Again, if you're watching on YouTube, see this linebacker here, number six, like right by the goal post. He had been getting like a decent amount of width on that play. And Jeremiah Smith slant is like running right into that guy. And I do maybe if you watch it from a different angle, I think you could reasonably argue that there was still space for him to throw the ball to Jeremiah. But if that was what Julian saying was seeing, I, I almost understand him not doing it. It's just that if that's the case, then he has to get to the ball to Carnell Tate faster. And I know like post game, Ryan Day said the biggest issue with that was like, not, not the decision to throw the ball to Carnot, it was the timing of the decision to throw the ball to Carnot. And you can't be late, especially when you're throwing the ball from the far hash, in this case to the pylon. Right? Like, that's a really far throw. That's a lot of opportunity for the defense to adjust and get on it. And then he kind of threw like a flat ball too. He didn't, he didn't really drive it. Like, he drove the first touchdown to Carnell Tate. So there are a lot of really good throws for Julian saying in this game, like, mostly good throws for Julian saying in this game. That was his one mistake. I think in the Texas game, he made one mistake by throwing that ball into the dirt in the fourth quarter when he probably should have just like ran and got what he could have and, and slid and make Texas burn a timeout late. And he didn't do that. And then he made one mistake in this game and it was a mistake more of like, of like processing speed, I guess, than it was necessarily decision making. But, you know, make a mistake like that and the game you win 70 nothing and you take it as a learning experience and you move on from it. So if there can be a silver lining in such a thing, I think one exists. When you're playing a game like this, you're going to have your first turnover. You might as well have it in a game where you score 10 touchdowns and the other team doesn't score anything. But I, I, overall, I did think it was modest step forward for Julian saying, sort of like adjusted for the caliber of opponent. But they did put more on his plate. I thought he did respond well. You saw some really good throws. The touchdown pass to Carnell Tate, the touchdown pass to Wilkast Marek, the first one where he layered it over a linebacker was, was tremendous. It looked A little bit like the touchdown pass he threw to Max Claire in the spring game where you got a real feel for his touch and his understanding of leverage and like when the layer throws and when and when, you know, when not to. He's not as I said on the post game show, he's not a one speed thrower. He can make a lot of different throws that require, you know, a lot of different sort of, sort of styles and even body positions. Like there's, he's just scratching the surface. Right. I don't, I know it's covering college football. The nature of like you want to make sleeping judgments on the very first things you see. I'm gonna try not to do that with Julian saying but, but it's hard not to be excited about what he's put on display in the last two weeks with the poise in week one and not looking rattled and then the precision in week two where again the ball doesn't touch the ground and his one mistake that he makes on the day ends up being the only pass that he did not complete to his own team. So the arrow still very much pointing out for Julian saying, excited to see what the next steps are for him as Ohio State gets ready to host Ohio University. Pretty solid Mac team on Saturday night. In the shoe. We'll have some more conversation about that here on the YouTube channel and on podcast feeds all weekend and definitely over on the Substack page as well. Again, it's billanddugosu.substack.com come over, sign up for free if you want to see what kind of what we're putting out into the world and whether or not it's for you and you know, if not, we appreciate you watching here here as well and anything you're doing to support our coverage. Doug and I greatly appreciate and it's been a fun season so far and we're just getting started. So that will wrap up our Monday Rewatch podcast here on the Bill and Doug Show. I'm Bill Landis. Thanks for watching. We'll catch you later.
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