Indiana-Miami national championship picks, ESPN's terrible playoff predictor, plus Whatcha

Summary

The Bill and Doug Show: Ohio State Football Talk

Episode: Indiana-Miami National Championship Picks, ESPN's Terrible Playoff Predictor, plus Whatcha
Hosts: Doug Lesmerises & Bill Landis
Date: January 17, 2026
Podcast Network: Blue Wire

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

In this episode, Doug and Bill preview the upcoming College Football National Championship game between Indiana and Miami, dissect ESPN’s (specifically Allstate’s) playoff predictor and its flaws, and deliver a special edition of their popular “Whatcha” segment (what you’re watching, eating, thinking). The discussion blends serious analysis about how the analytical models misjudge programs (particularly non-SEC/B1G teams), detailed matchup breakdowns, and lighter banter about pop culture and snack finds. The tone is irreverent, sharp, and fan-focused as always.

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NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP PREVIEW: INDIANA VS. MIAMI

Preseason Perceptions and Polls

• Doug’s Main Gripe: ESPN’s Allstate Playoff Predictor severely underestimates Indiana, not including them among 32 potential playoff teams, despite last year’s playoff showing.

  “I would like to throw the All State Predictor in to the ocean...enough to make me want to cancel All State if it is your insurance provider right now because it’s so dumb.” — Doug (03:25)

• Big Ten Bias Discussion: The model’s SEC tilt and reliance on recruiting rankings/old data fails to reflect reality in an era transformed by the transfer portal.

  “It’s garbage in, garbage out. Right? It’s SEC perception and bias in and flawed thinking about how college football rosters are built these days.” — Doug (08:01)

• Preseason Poll Numbers:

  • Indiana was picked 6th in their Big Ten poll, #19 Coaches Poll, #20 AP.
  • Miami was 10th in both Coaches and AP.
  • ESPN’s 32-team predictor included 11 SEC, 6 Big Ten, omitted Indiana.

Flawed Predictors & The Transfer Portal Age

• Bill: “The computers have not caught up to the transfer portal yet. So you’re just plugging in high school recruiting rankings and then suddenly you think Indiana stinks. One guess what, they don’t.” (12:52)
• Doug: “Smash your machine. Your machine is outdated.” (13:12)
• Consensus: Analytical models must adapt or face irrelevance as team-building strategies evolve.

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MATCHUP ANALYSIS: BREAKDOWN & PICKS

How Does Miami Compete?

• Bill’s Formula:
  • Run the ball, slow tempo, control the game flow.
  • Defensive/special teams score is likely needed.
  • Force Indiana turnovers.

  “Does Miami need to score on defense to have a shot to win? The answer might be yes.” — Bill (14:59)

Key Tactical Matchups

• Miami Secondary Weaknesses:

  • Xavier Lucas (top CB) suspended 1st half.
  • Other CB O.J. Frederick questionable/injured.
  • Indiana’s full set of WR (Surratt, Cooper, Becker) could exploit this.

• OL vs. DL Battles:

  • Indiana’s O-line “a substantial step or two above” Ohio State according to Doug, but Miami D-line athleticism still a challenge.
  • Indiana right tackle (Khalil Benson) could be a pressure point.

  “If you’re Miami, you’re overloading the right side of Indiana’s line.” — Bill (23:25)

• QB Impact:

  • Fernando Mendoza (Indiana): Experienced, high scramble effectiveness, mixes in enough mobility to be a problem even if pressured (see stats at 25:31-26:39).
  • Miami’s defense must decide: blitz freely or designate a spy?

  “If you give him that escape action...he’ll burn you for it.” — Bill (27:28)

• Defensive Creativity:

  • Indiana ranks higher in havoc/play than traditional power Ohio State.
  • “It’s in their DNA” to create turnovers via blitzes, stunts.

Narrative Factors

• Both teams benefited from some playoff fortune (Indiana capitalized on Oregon errors; Miami survived close games), but Indiana repeatedly forced those mistakes.
• “Kurt Signetti does not want to win the national championship. He wants to win the national championship by 50.” — Doug (37:33)

Picks & Predictions

Doug: Indiana Blowout

• Score Prediction: Indiana 56, Miami 14
• “I can see a scenario where they blitz Carson Beck...they keep the pedal down, taking shots...it’s a three and a half hour coronation of Kurt Signetti and this Indiana program.” (40:35)
• Points to Indiana’s ability to force errors, dominate all phases, and repeat huge scoring outbursts ("56" has been a magic number for them, per team history, 36:01).

Bill: Miami Close Win

• Score Prediction: Miami 24, Indiana 21
• “I think their [Indiana’s] offensive line is fine, but not great. And I don’t know they’ll be able to hold up against Miami.” (41:16)
• Miami’s line of scrimmage edge, comfort winning close games, and a belief in their "pixie dust" run tips the scales.
• “Primary reason: line of scrimmage—if Miami can do to Indiana what they did to Ohio State...that might be a lot for Indiana to overcome.” (41:16)
• Acknowledges risk: Miami’s banged up secondary could let Indiana jump ahead.

Fun Note:

• Both hosts are way under .500 picking games against the spread (“I am 54 and 70!” — Doug, 45:06), so take with a grain of salt.

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SPECIAL SEGMENT: WHAT’CHA (Pop Culture & Lifestyle)

(47:17 onward)

Whatcha Watching?

• Bill:
  • His & Hers (Netflix, 6 episodes: “Well acted but pretty unlikable and ends up disappointing...not Shakespeare, but you’ll probably finish out of curiosity.”) (47:22-50:20)
• Doug:
  • Marty Supreme (“Timmy Supreme”) — panned it: “Zero stars. Actively hated it...a community theater level of acting...I am not Timothee Chalamet’s demographic, and I actively hated every part of the movie.” (52:02-53:57)

Whatcha Eating?

• Bill:
  • Local business plug: Captain Kelly’s Kitchen (Columbus, OH).
    Decorated dinosaur brownie cookies for his son's birthday: “Look amazing AND taste amazing—unusual for heavily decorated cookies!” (59:01-60:35)
• Doug:
  • Tombstone pepperoni pizza stick (grocery store, microwavable): “Surprisingly satisfying—microwave snacks usually ruin pizza but this is the ‘lonely man’s pizza snack’ and ‘a shot glass of pizza.’” (61:02-64:05)

Whatcha Thinking?

• Bill:
  • Why do we care about sports? After a bad run of Philadelphia sports, reflects on fandom, emotional investment, and the landscape of uncapped baseball spending (Dodgers/Mets). (65:11-68:03)
• Doug:
  • On missing out on wine culture: wonders about social spaces built around wine and how there isn’t a Diet Coke equivalent (“Diet Coke & Canvas,” a soda Napa Valley). (70:32-74:10)

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• Doug, on ESPN predictor bias:

  “Can we please get out of the world where it is a reasonable thing to list 32 teams...and have it be 11 from the SEC and six from the Big Ten. Can we end that practice?” (10:03)

• Bill, on why models can’t adapt:

  “The computers have not caught up to the transfer portal yet. So you’re just plugging in high school recruiting rankings and then suddenly you think Indiana stinks.” (12:52)

• Doug, on “hello, fellow kids” pod persona:

  “I’m a fun guy talking ball...I had to like, shed that because...I should do hey, fellow kids with Ross. It’s like, I’m a fun guy...” (02:34)

• Doug, on score prediction:

  “Indiana 56, Miami 14. That’s the magic number for them. I can just...see it getting out of hand.” (40:35)

• Bill, on picking Miami:

  “It’s a bit of a major overcorrection...I just think Miami’s got a little magic to it. I don’t think it’s going to run out yet.” (41:16)

• Doug, on Marty Supreme:

  “I thought it was a stupid story, incredibly poorly acted. I thought it was like a community theater level of acting...actively hated every single part...” (52:14)

• Bill, on his cookies:

  “I thought for sure they were going to be terrible when I saw how well they were decorated...but they were fantastic...like, I could not stop eating them.” (60:08)

• Bill, on missing the pizza slice culture:

  “I always get a little frustrated—I want a piece of pizza, not a whole pizza—but Ohio isn’t a ‘grab a slice’ place.” (64:05)

• Doug, on wine culture:

  “What if there was a thing that I could do, like Diet Coke & Canvas, where you paint and drink 11 flavors of Diet Coke?” (71:35)

• Bill, on Philly fandom blues:

  “Why do we care about sports? I’m staring down from now until next football season just dreading mediocre Philadelphia sports.” (65:11)

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------|---------------| | Opening / “Too Much Ball” Banter | 02:02–03:25 | | ESPN/Allstate Playoff Predictor Rant | 03:25–14:00 | | Game Preview: Miami’s Chances | 14:59–17:32 | | Indiana Offense vs. Miami Defense | 17:33–27:28 | | Comparing O-lines, D-lines, & QBs | 21:04–27:28 | | Can Miami Score Enough? | 27:28–29:32 | | Coaching Connections & Schematics | 29:47–33:04 | | Picks & Extended Score Discussion | 33:04–46:10 | | Whatcha: What are you Watching? | 47:22–53:57 | | Whatcha: What are you Eating? | 59:01–64:05 | | Whatcha: What are you Thinking? | 65:11–74:10 | | Closing and Substack Plug | 74:10–75:22 |

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SUMMARY

This episode delivers an insightful, fan-first breakdown of the Indiana-Miami national title clash, as Doug and Bill deploy both trenchant analysis and snarky wit. A major theme is the brokenness of blue-chip-centric analytical models in the era of transfer-powered program builds, as Indiana’s exceptional ascent exposes their limitations. The tactical preview is full of specific, X-and-O observations about Miami’s path to a possible upset, Indiana’s potential to dominate, and the decisive battles on the offensive and defensive lines.

The hosts’ contrasting picks—Doug predicting a mega-blowout, Bill sticking with the underdog—showcase their commitment to honest, differentiated analysis. The “Whatcha” segment offers warmth and levity, touching on pop culture divides (Timmy Supreme), snack fandom, and small business love, as well as mainline sports existentialism and musings about Diet Coke culture.

Fans of bold opinions, unsparing humor, and genuinely thoughtful college football talk will find the episode rich and relevant—even if they haven’t followed all season.

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Transcript

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[Bill Landis]

Edu.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Welcome back to the Bill and Doug Show. Doug Lam Reese and Bill Landis here to pick the national title game between Miami and Indiana. Also at the end of the show, if you don't normally get a little piece of it, we're giving it to you. It's whatcha. It's what you're watching, what you eating, what you thinking. We normally do that for our substack audience [e-mail] but we did a Wednesday show. We normally do it on our Wednesday substack show, Bill and we just talked about football for two and a half hours on that show and we didn't have time to talk about Hulu and hot dogs. So we're doing it here.

[Bill Landis]

That's right. Even out of season, we suffer from tmb. Too much ball.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Too much ball. Also, I just Would like to state for the record that we did an interview with Ross Bjork, the Ohio State athletic director, that you can find on this YouTube channel and in your podcast feeds. And I was re watching that, just getting some notes to feed our substack audience. And I just watched it and I thought, my God, you look like a grumpy old man. My resting pod face I have got to work on because I just. The whole. I was listening. I was listening and my listening face is like. And so I've reverted to hello, fellow kids for this episode because, like, I don't like, hey, Doug's fun. Hey, everybody. Doug can wear a backwards hat. So I just, I had to like, shed that because I didn't. I don't want. I mean, like, I, I should do hey, fellow kids with Ross. It's like, I'm a fun. I'm a fun guy talking by. Oh, talk about I didn't like it.

[Bill Landis]

Do you not look at yourself while we're doing the show?

[Doug Lam Reese]

I look at myself constantly, but there was nothing I could do. All I do is look at myself on pods and off 24 hours a day. But I couldn't make myself. I'm. I'm like, locked in. I'm locked in. Yeah, we're solving the college football crisis here. And I can't have like a, a grin on my face during that. It's like, no, we're. We're figuring out nil. So I'm going to look like a 71 year old get off my lawn guy. Hello, fellow kids, before we make our pick for this game where Indiana is favored by 8 1/2 over Miami, and before we talk about Hulu and hot dogs, I would like to throw the All State Predictor in to the ocean. And I would like to talk about it and this All State predictor before the season that, like, I don't know what ESPN feeds this thing to come up with. I like analytical stuff. It's enough to make me want to cancel All State if it is your insurance provider right now because it's so dumb. And I just would. I. I have revisited the All State playoff predictor, Bill and I would like to mock it and then shoot it into the nearest star, if that's okay with you. Which is our son.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, it is. It is our son. Let's do it.

[Doug Lam Reese]

So here's the thing. Like, we didn't. Nobody necessarily saw this Indiana thing coming, right? But let's state some things for the record number one in the KOTN preseason poll. A thing we did once upon a time that I think we'll still try to do for the Bill and Doug show. We can call, we can get 50 people on the horn. Yeah, Big Ten picks, can't we?

[Bill Landis]

I actually love the idea of calling it the bad Big Ten preseason poll, so. Oh yeah, because usually it is.

[Doug Lam Reese]

That's well said. Do you know where Indiana was picked in our preseason poll? When we, when we surveyed, I believe 52 college football and Big Ten reporters from around the country. Do you remember where Indiana finished?

[Bill Landis]

Sixth.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Sixth, yeah. Which is not first, but it's not last. Penn State, Ohio State, Oregon, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, usc, Nebraska were the top eight. So like people gotta be wrong, but sixth. Do you know where Indiana was in the preseason polls?

[Bill Landis]

17 or something like that.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Indiana AP 20 coaches poll. 19 for Indiana, Miami preseason polls was 10th in both. So like as much as this is like, you know, and this is one of those things to go back and say like man, the preseason polls were really wrong. It's. The consensus was wrong. The consensus was wrong. The, the poll represents a consensus. It's not like haha, you stupid poll voters. It's the general vibes around college football. Did not view Miami and Indiana among the top eight teams. And that general consensus, which is reflected by the polls, had Texas there, had Penn State there, had Clemson there, had Ohio State there, had Georgia there. Right. That's what we're talking about. But Indiana, to say that they were picked six in the Big Ten, to say that they were picked 19th or 20th in the preseason polls, that's not completely out of nowhere. Would you say, Would you, would you call that out of nowhere?

[Bill Landis]

No, I don't think so. No. Makes sense to me.

[Doug Lam Reese]

So let me lead you to the all state playoff predictor. Cancel your insurance. 32 teams. There was a story on ESPN.com before the season that said the 32 teams that can win, that can make the playoff. Let me, let me get this right. Let me make sure I get this headline correct because if I'm going to mock an ESPN story, I want to mock it correctly. CFP 20, 25, 32 teams can make the College Football Playoff. This is from August 1st. Okay? It's from August 1st and it is a write up. But it's a write up based on this insurance projection. That sucks. Right. So it's not saying it's not a person. It's written by Heather Dnich. But Heather Dnich is, is handed. I don't know, it's a fax machine. It's an Old dot matrix printer printing out the top 32. And then they say, heather, go right about this, right? 32 teams they say can win the College Football Playoff. Guess how many of those 32 were from the SEC?

[Bill Landis]

Everybody except for Kentucky and Mississippi State.

[Doug Lam Reese]

11. 11. Out of 16, 11. Guess how many were from the Big Ten?

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[Doug Lam Reese]

Six. Six. So like Nebraska scraped in at the bottom, USC scraped in at the bottom, which was actually one fewer than the Big 12. The Big 12 had seven. Now, I don't know in the dot matrix printout if it's like, well, the Big 12 is like more up for grab. So there's seven teams that we think can win the Big 12, and that's why it's seven. That's not why it is for the SEC. The SEC is not like, oh, it's so wide open. We just think the 11th place team is a. Is a legitimate playoff contender. It's garbage in, garbage out. Right? It's SEC perception and bias in and flawed thinking about how college football rosters are built these days. Garbage in, garbage out. Right. ACC had four. Miami was one of them.

[Bill Landis]

11, 11 the other. Miami, Clemson, and who else?

[Doug Lam Reese]

Virginia Tech and smu. Okay, were the four SEC teams, because do you remember how many teams made the College football playoff in 2024? How many teams got into the playoff? Do you remember? Hey, you're right. You nailed it. God, you're good at this. Guess how many of the 12 playoff teams from 2024, the garbage in, garbage out Allstate playoff predictor, put in the top 32 for 20? 25. Of those 12, how many made it on the garbage in, garbage out list?

[Bill Landis]

12.

[Doug Lam Reese]

11. All but one. All but Indiana.

[Bill Landis]

Indiana was the only one.

[Doug Lam Reese]

11 SEC teams made it. So. So here's the point and all they're like, I guess Arizona State could do it again. I don't know, could SMU do it again? I guess I put them on. Garbage in, garbage out. Could Indiana do it again with their miracle making head coach and so much of that talent back and an upgrade at quarterback? Nope. Not according to this thing. Cancel your insurance.

[Bill Landis]

This is a nationwide house. We're all good.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Yeah, we have a. We have an insurance. I don't even know the name. I can't even say the name of it. Here's my point. The world where anybody, whether it's an ESPN garbage in, garbage out numbers machine or anyone, it's not that you're wrong. It's like, who is in your group of, I don't know, maybes, Right? And if Your group of I don't know, maybes goes 11 deep in the SEC and goes six deep in the Big Ten and leaves out a playoff team from the year before. Shoot your garbage in garbage out machine into the frickin sun. And can we please get out of the world where it is a reasonable thing to list 32 teams that could make the playoff. However you come to that conclusion, whether it is a Cuban or a robot or a chatgpt or a dot matrix printer. Can we get out of the business of making a list of 32 teams that can achieve something great and have it be 11 from the SEC and six from the Big Ten. Can we end that practice? Bill?

[Bill Landis]

No, probably not. Well, not no, because it's sponsored money to be made.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Cancel your, cancel your insurance. I that's, I don't know what else there is left to do because here's. Because the point is, the point is if you would have gone 11 deep, if you would have gotten eight deep in the Big Ten, you would have gotten to Indiana. But you went 11 deep. We're like, well we can't leave out Florida, we can't leave out South Carolina. The dot matrix printer said South Carolina might make the playoff. So that's the part of this that like aggravates me. Indiana had done it. It doesn't mean that you had to think to yourself, I'm sure Indiana's repeating. It's like. But in the, I don't know, I guess like could they do it? So you're analyzing it wrong. Your numbers are meaningless. Your numbers and your analysis are, are literal garbage. So please change your practices. So that's all. And I just would like to point out the absolute garbage take from the all State playoff predictor which should be beaten to death with the hammer.

[Bill Landis]

We can do that. Can I give a shot? I'm looking at the preseason AP poll, by the way.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Yeah.

[Bill Landis]

Shout out to, to former friend of Kotn, Andy Yamashita for being the only the highest voter on Indiana. He had Indiana 11th going into the season.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Andy Yamashita, Bring that Washington beat writer. Bring it. So good. He knows what's up. But you know what I mean, Bill? It's just like on the, the idea that there's this infinite number of possibilities of like wouldn't this be a great story? But like, but don't put Indiana on that list. Stupid.

[Bill Landis]

It's really. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's just, it's just recruiting rankings. I think at the end of the day why, why that didn't happen because they're the la. They've been talking about it during the broadcast, right? The lack of four and five star prospects on Indiana's roster. So like you just can't. The computers have not caught up to the transfer portal yet. So you're just plugging in high school recruiting rankings and then suddenly you think Indiana stinks. One guess what, they don't.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Right? So smash your machine. Your machine is outdated. Are you mad at the machine?

[Bill Landis]

Yeah. Are you?

[Doug Lam Reese]

Are you mad? Are you mad at your trolley car that it's not as fast as a Lamborghini? Or is it your fault for riding the trolley car? Right, so maybe don't blame, maybe don't cancel your insurance and don't blame the trolley car, but just stop using it. Stop using it as some kind of analysis. And everybody's wrong. But this is the most wrong. This was the most wrong that you were so close minded that you left out one playoff team from the year before. You let in 11 SEC teams and six Big Ten teams and none of them were the Indiana Hoosiers. So soak in your ineptitude. That's all machine. I assume it's a machine garbage.

[Bill Landis]

It's got to be. Yeah, I think, I think it's a machine. Six people. No. Is this right? Seven people did not have Indiana ranked at all in the preseason.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay, that's just human fallacy. John Weller. John Wellner.

[Bill Landis]

Oh, what are we doing?

[Doug Lam Reese]

We're just men and women. We do the best we can, right? But a robot? What's the point if a robot can't do better prediction stuff than this? 100 to 1 in the preseason. I was looking at the preseason national championship odds. Indiana was 100 to 1, tied for 23rd. Miami was 30 to 1, tied for 10th. So I mean again, I'm a sweet little hundred dollar that the old dougie bet. Bet three bucks on that. 300 sweets macaroos right in your pocket. Come on. What are we doing? I am not 100 sure how Miami is going to compete. How do you think Miami might compete in this game?

[Bill Landis]

Run the ball, slow it down. Play ball, control the thing, the question I've been asking myself is like, does Miami need to score on defense to have a shot to win? The answer might be yes, right? Like, and, and they've done like they did that against Ohio State. Rather, rather big defensive touchdown in that game. I think it'll be pretty difficult, if not impossible for Miami to beat Indiana if they don't get Indiana to turn it over a time or two. But I think that's probably the recipe cost some havoc. They can get you a turnover or two, run the ball, which I actually think they might be able to do a little bit against Indiana, like not run it all over them, but it's kind of like kind of run it the same way they ran it against Ohio State, which is just like we're getting four, we're getting three, we're getting, getting, returning out first downs a little bit and holding the ball and running some clock and then you need another clean game from, from Carson back. So there's a, there are a lot of things that I think need to happen. I think the script is pretty similar to how Miami beat beat Ohio State on the whole. But I do think it's a difficult ask to, you know, make Miami kind of do that again against another really good team.

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[Bill Landis]

Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Shout out by a veteran. By an old guy.

[Bill Landis]

By an old guy. Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

What are the things? Because that's the game, I think, for. We obviously understand if you're not an Ohio State fan and you're here and you're a fan of some other team and you're just soaking in Doug and Bill ripping the All State playoff predictor, welcome. We also understand that this is a large Ohio State audience. We do a lot of Ohio State shows on this podcast feed and on this YouTube channel. And that Ohio State Miami game is obviously very fresh in people's minds. The Ohio State Indiana game is still pretty fresh, but slightly less fresh. But that's the game that I was watching today to finalize some thoughts here, because Ohio State, like, did a pretty darn good job holding Indiana down in that game. And that is like. Do you think what. You know, I. I think there are things. It's like you try to watch Miami, Ohio State and then think like, okay, this is what Miami did to Ohio State. As you just said, could Miami do that to Indiana? Not do that to Indiana. But when you look at Ohio State, Indiana. This is what Ohio State did to Indiana. This is what Indiana did to Ohio State. Like, that can. If, if, if Ohio State's defense could make it tough on Indiana much of that game. Right. And they even got a short field early on on Julian saying pick and, like, did not get a touchdown out of it. Ohio State held them to a field goal. Can Miami do some of that same stuff or is it that Miami's defense at the, you know, three levels of the defense. Yes, we know they have some pass rushes up front. Are not as capable of shutting down Fernando Mendoza in this group as Caleb Downs, Arvell Reese, Sunny Styles were.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, that could be it. Because the other thing is that Indiana lost Omar Cooper pretty early in that game.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Yeah.

[Bill Landis]

One of their. One of the three top receivers.

[Doug Lam Reese]

So.

[Bill Landis]

So this is fully loaded Indiana with Elijah Surratt, Omar Cooper and Charlie Becker. Yep. Up against a Miami secondary that I don't think is as good as Ohio State's and also is going to have to play the first half without Xavier Lucas, one of his top corners and all. And then one of their other corners, O.J. frederick is like, got hurt in. In the Ole Miss game. But I think it's going to play, but probably not 100. Like, I think there's going to be a bit of a window early in the game maybe for Indiana to try to exploit a, a kind of weakened Miami secondary, including Keonte Scott. Because I actually wonder, you know, they love to blitz Keonte Scott. Is there anything that's going to make them blitz him less early because they're down a guy. And also there are three receivers to worry about. Where Ohio State, you're kind of only worried about two. I don't know.

[Doug Lam Reese]

So.

[Bill Landis]

But I, I would say Miami's probably less equipped, slightly less equipped to do that than Ohio State was in the Big Ten championship.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay, let me keep throwing some, Let me. I'm going to keep throwing like some comparisons at you because Ohio State is just obviously such an interesting comparison. Comparison. They lost their last two games to these two teams. What Indiana was able to do, but what both these teams. But I guess most. What Indiana was able to do defensively, they might have a harder time doing that against Miami because Miami's offensive line is better. Do you think that's true? And then do you also think what Miami did to Ohio State, Miami will have a harder time doing that against Indiana because Indiana's offensive line is better. Do you think that's true?

[Bill Landis]

I'm less certain of that. I, I think Indiana's offensive line is probably better than Ohio State's. I don't know how much better. And I don't know. I think. I think the athletic advantage is still very much in Miami's defensive lines favor.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay. Not the gaping hole that Ohio State had at right guard because Zen Mahalski is a fill in there.

[Bill Landis]

Right.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Like Khalil Benson, if he's healthy at right tackle like that. Miami exploited that to some degree. I don't, I don't know. I think I might believe that Indiana's offensive line is a substantial step or two above where Ohio State's was at that point against Miami. And that the things that Miami did best early on in that game to throw Ohio State off its game, which partly was Ohio State going silent count, which I don't think is going to be an issue here, even though there's going to be a lot of Miami people there, but there's a hole in the roof, first of all. Right. So it won't be as echoey. And also there's gonna be tons of Indiana. There's a ton of Indiana fans there in Miami. I, I'm not expecting Miami has given.

[Bill Landis]

Up more pressures than anybody on Ohio State's. Offensive line. I actually think Khalil Benson could be a little bit of a problem for Indiana in this game.

[Doug Lam Reese]

As much of a prop that like, what are you gonna do? You're gonna put Mesador or Bane, whoever's over the right tackle might have a chance to get loose.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay.

[Bill Landis]

And I think like if you're on a. I don't know that right tackle has been as much of like a bugaboo for Indiana as right guard was for Ohio State for the entire season. But it might be close.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay.

[Bill Landis]

I think it might be. Especially from a pass blocking perspective. Left tackle Carter Smith is great. I think the rest of the line has been pretty solid.

[Doug Lam Reese]

But.

[Bill Landis]

I, I would imagine you're going to see Miami overload the right side of taking his offensive line. Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

So then again, the other thing. And we did a big rewatch that we talked about in a 90 minute show for our substack audience of Ohio State, Miami and just thought that Julian Saiyan's playmaking, holding the ball a bit like maybe not seeing it quite as well as a young quarterback. Fernando Mendoza is not a young quarterback. That compounded anything that was going wrong up front for Ohio State. Do you think. How much more of a problem solver do you think Fernando Mendoza can be even if Miami is able to exploit some advantages against the offensive line that they did against Ohio State?

[Bill Landis]

Well, I think he'll hang in and make throws for sure. Like I actually thought when Ohio State played Indiana that Mendoza did not look like super elusive and athletic compared to Ohio State's defensive line. And I wonder if that might look the same against Miami's. But he'll also, he'll also stand in there tall and deliver a ball downfield while he's getting rocked too. So like, I think that's probably the key difference. Mendoza on the year has been among the better quarterbacks in the country while pressured, but he's also had some bad games under pressure. Like Iowa, he was not good under pressure the first Oregon game. He was not good under pressure when they pulled one out of Penn State, he was very good under pressure. He was not pressured a lot really at all in the second game against Oregon in the, in the semi final. So yeah, I think he's, I think he's been hot and cold enough in games where he's been under duress that we shouldn't assume that he's just gonna problem solve the entire time against Miami's defense. But he definitely has that in him and I think probably, you know, more, more Than Marcel Reed, Julian Saying, and perhaps even Trinidad Chambers. The three quarterbacks Miami is. But like he does it differently. But I think maybe it'll impact him the least. Of all the quarterbacks Miami has faced thus far.

[Doug Lam Reese]

274 scramble yards on the year from Fernando Mendoza. 48 scramble yards on the year for Julian Sand. I do. I could imagine that really mattering. Just like even though Carson Beck during the year didn't scramble much. We've talked about that a lot. He has scrambled in the last two games in a way that mattered. Scramble yards for Fernando Mendoza. He did. He did a little bit against. He did like, like a decent amount against Alabama and Oregon in the last couple games. I think in a way that mattered enough. And I do. I think just when you watch him, he's. He's has a sense of when to go and that's kind of the biggest thing. And I think part of that is just experience. Right. That I, I think he does have a good handle on that. He did not really. He doesn't have any scramble yards against Ohi State, but he had 30 against Alabama on four scrambles. He had 44 scramble yards against Oregon on three scrambles. He's had other games this year where he had 20, 25, 40, 35, 20, 18. Like he will do that. I think that might really matter.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah. I'll be curious to see what Miami does. Like he, like you mentioned, he had no scramble yards against Ohio State. Ohio State spied him the whole time with, with Arvell Reese. So. And I don't know, Miami certainly has guys who are athletic enough to spy him if they wanted to, but that would also kind of fly in the face of who they are defensively because they just want to get downhill and get after you. So how does Miami choose to play that? I think will. Will kind of be huge in this game because if they do spy him and do cage him in the pocket, then maybe you can limit his effectiveness while pressuring him. But if you give him that escape action and very much the same way as Carson Beck, he'll take it and hope and he'll burn you for it. So I guess that's a question Miami needs to ask itself, is like, how much do they want to try to spy him when they're bringing pressure?

[Doug Lam Reese]

Miami didn't score much against Texas A M in the first playoff game. They got the defensive score against Ohio State, but they also had an early drive that mattered and a light drive that mattered to put that game away. So they, they weren't a high flying offense, but they kind of did enough of what they wanted to do. And then I think like Ole Miss's defense just is not at the level I think of, of Ohio State or Indiana's. I, I think you're right that if they ran it consistently in chunks against Ohio State, they can probably do that some. At least against Indiana in chunks. But I do have maybe a ceiling on how many points Miami could put up offensively. Do you, do you think that like, if you want to pick Miami, are you starting to get into like, okay, well, is Indiana gonna give up? You know what I mean? More, is it 17 and can Indiana. Can Miami get a defensive score and then try to win 24, 20 or something like that with seven of the points coming from defense? If you're on Miami, is that where you need to be?

[Bill Landis]

Probably, I think that's probably your script. Yeah. I just like if you're, if you're picking Miami's offense to score more than three touchdowns against Indiana, I think you're probably asking for a lot there. You're asking that a lot really for any team or even Ohio State really couldn't do it. So. Yeah, I, like I said, I think it's going to have to very much look like the, the cotton ball script for Miami. Like you must need Keonte Scott.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Yeah.

[Bill Landis]

To steal you some of them. But, but I also think he's, I think he's capable of it. Like Mendoza is not, not a quarterback who has turned the ball over a bunch this year, but in those two games against Iowa and the first one against Oregon that I mentioned, like he did turn it over when he was pressured. He threw a pick in both of those games he was pressured, including like a pretty brutal pick six against Oregon late in that game that, you know, could have lost in the end of the game. So I don't, you know, he's, he's very good. He's excellent. He's on a heck of a run right now, but he's not, you know, sort of infallible when it comes to doing something wild when he's getting pressured. So I think that's what Miami has to hope for.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay, That's. Are you ready? What else do we need to say? You ready to make some picks? Generally speaking. You got more research.

[Bill Landis]

How much do you think it matters? Not much at all. A little bit majorly that there's potentially some scheme familiarity here with Corey Heatherman being a former James Madison defensive coordinator and perhaps being able to help out Miami's offense. Try to crack Indiana's defense a little.

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[Doug Lam Reese]

I think minorly. Right. I mean, is it. Is it just. Bryant Haynes and that defensive staff are just gonna. They can come up with the new plan every week to figure out how to shut something down. And.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

I don't know. It's probably from listening to you, but I feel like I believe in the Indiana scheme on both sides of the ball at this point. Like, I believe in those coordinators. I believe in their ability to find a decisive schematic advantage. And I mean, it's an interesting wrinkle. It's one of those things. It's like, how would you. It's like, how do you beat Signetti? It's like, you get somebody on the inside, right? Wouldn't that be step one? Right. The ocean's 11. Get. Get somebody who knows him and it's like, okay, so I found his. I found his best friend from fifth grade and I. You would ask him about stuff. It's like, no, how about somebody who worked for him like, four years ago, which, as you. Corey Heatherman did it at jmu? That's like, if, If Corey Heatherman wasn't working for Miami, Miami would be calling Corey Heatherman on the phone to say, like, hey, what should we do?

[Bill Landis]

Right? Right. Yeah, I think that's right. He's not. He's not like a Signetti lifer. He only coached with Signetti for two years. James Madison, he wasn't with them at Elon. He wasn't with them at IUP or any like, not like Corey Heatherman was. But I think they're. And the scheme also could be, like, somewhat substantially different in a set like Indiana and Miami played super similarly defensively. But I just wonder if there's. If there's enough familiarity there that maybe Miami can do something to at the very least, like, avoid the opening drive. Pick six. Indiana seems to be very good at getting and. And start the game off on a better foot than. Than either Ohio State did in the Big Ten championship or Oregon did in the semi final.

[Doug Lam Reese]

So when Corey Heatherman was the defensive coordinator at jmu, was. Was Bryant Haynes, who has been with Signetti longer, like, under Corey Heatherman. Brian Haynes is now the defensive coordinator at Indiana and has been around Cincinnati for a long time.

[Bill Landis]

So this is on Wikipedia, so take it for what it's worth, I guess. But they have. They have Heatherman as the D.C. and defensive ends coach and Haynes during those two years as the co. D.C. and linebackers coach. Okay.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

So those guys know each Other. Really? Well, that's interesting. It's an interesting.

[Bill Landis]

They're like best friends. I saw they're the two finalists for the Broyles award and they're like, best friends. And like the Broils award tweeted out like, hey, isn't it cute that these guys are the finalists and they're best friends and they're playing against each other and the national championship.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Yeah, that's really nice. Oh, college football is so nice. It's about the brotherhood, man. You know what I'm saying?

[Bill Landis]

That's right.

[Doug Lam Reese]

That's about the brotherhood.

[Bill Landis]

Sometimes you got to feel good for millionaires.

[Doug Lam Reese]

There's nothing. Oh, man, there's nothing that gets me up and pops me out of bed in the morning and thinking about happy thoughts for millionaires. What? So I do think you could look at how Miami's gotten here and been like, man, like, they got some stuff going. Like they could have lost any of these three games right along the way, which is resilience. Which is like true, but also, like maybe a little pixie dust. But also, I think it's possible that you could look at Indiana blown out Oregon and be like, well, 28 free points on Oregon. Mistakes. Right. Like I.

[Bill Landis]

Right.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Are there things not just in Miami's playoff run, but also in Indiana's playoff run that might lead you to think certain things that might not be exactly true?

[Bill Landis]

Yeah. Because I just think they played a very average Alabama team and they did get gifted short fields, plus a defensive score against Oregon like that. That is a.

[Doug Lam Reese]

They.

[Bill Landis]

They've already beaten Oregon prior to that. They were certainly well equipped to do it again. But I. I do think that the blowout nature of that game is going to send people down some paths that I'm. I'm not entirely sure they should go down because I don't know if that is a repeatable outcome for Indiana.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Yeah. Guess who's one of the people that's getting sent down that path? Yeah, this guy.

[Bill Landis]

Back where it's at, Doug. Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Hey, fellow kids. You want Indiana plus Indiana minus 30? I'm giving it out at recess. Indiana minus 30. I will book your bets.

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[Doug Lam Reese]

Do you know how many times Indiana they scored 56 against Oregon? The Indiana Fighting Hoosiers. Did you know how many times overall they have scored 56 this year as their final score?

[Bill Landis]

3.

[Doug Lam Reese]

4. 4. 4. Their 15 games have ended with. With them having 56. They also have a 73, they have a 63 and they have a 55. So I don't know if this is one of the numbers available, but sometimes you can make like an exact. Usually it's an exact score bet, but I'm gonna search high and low where I can put $2 on Indiana to score 56 points one way or another, because my final score is Indiana 56, Miami 14. And I just think. I know everything you just said, but I was just double checking. Georgia TCU 65 to 7. Right. Like it.

[Bill Landis]

Oh, there's been some blowouts. Oh, yeah, it definitely happens. Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Right. So, like, I just think I am. I understand all the mistakes that Oregon made. I also think Indiana can kind of force you into mistakes. And I think Miami is a tremendous credit to be here. And it's not that they don't deserve to be here, but I think there's a little. I think it could be at the end of the road more than it's at the end of the road for Indiana. And here's the thing. Kurt Signetti does not want to win the national championship. He doesn't care about that. He wants to win the national championship by 50. That's what he cares about.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah. Hey, do you think if Sig. If Sig wins the national title, he should take the Steelers job?

[Doug Lam Reese]

Who am I speaking as? Am I speaking as Northern College football defender of the realm Douglas Maurice? Or am I speaking as just like football guy. Send a yinzer back home to save the pro team. Like, I'd send you home to save the pro team. I mean, like, what better story could there be? Like, from fly straight from Miami to Pittsburgh. Yeah, like Pittsburgh, that'd be. It's the shining city on the hill. Everybody in America would move to Pittsburgh if Kurtzaghetti became the coach of the Steelers.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah. Are people talking about that? It's like very obvious thing, he's from Pittsburgh. But like.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Yeah.

[Bill Landis]

I asked my wife, who's a Steelers fan, and she said it'll never happen because the Rooney family likes to hire someone when they're 38 and have them coach for 25 years. And that's not sick, but I would hire sick for like five years. See if he can win a Super Bowl. He's also.

[Doug Lam Reese]

I think he's a vampire. He might, he might be coach until he's 89. So you might get 25 years out of him anyway.

[Bill Landis]

Like, he's also like, is. He can't be that much older than John Harbaugh.

[Doug Lam Reese]

No, I think John Harbaugh is 63 and I think six.

[Bill Landis]

Three. Yeah. Okay.

[Doug Lam Reese]

So I, yeah, I, I'd do it kind of like, what else is there? And then he can leave. He can leave Brian Haynes to be the head coach in Indiana. It's all good, you know, so. Yeah, as the defender of the realm. No, stay and build a dynasty at Indiana. But like, what a story. Because don't you think he'd win the super bowl next year?

[Bill Landis]

I think it might take him two or three years, but I think he could win one. I think a lot of, A lot of what's fueled his success at Indiana is copy and paste to go. To go be successful in the NFL because it's all, it's all scouting and player development and scheme. It's not, it's not winning with talent advantage. Like, like obscure talent event or obscene talent advantages.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Right. Which often it is in college. Right. Which is why college guys don't. They'll make it in the NFL. And then the Steelers trade 11 first round picks to Vegas to get the number one pick to take. Fernanda does.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, why not?

[Doug Lam Reese]

It's like Vegas is like, nope, we're not doing it. Six first round picks. Nope. Seven. Nope. All right, 11. Okay, I guess we have to do it now. Fernando and Kurt. Boom. Fernando, Kurt, Mr. Rogers. What else? The three biggest heroes in Pittsburgh history. What are we talking about? Yeah, my score is actually 56 14. Like, I'm not joking. It's happened before. It's the magic number for them. I can just. I can see a scenario where, like, they blitz Carson Beck. And if it can happen to Dante Moore, I think it can happen to Carson Beck. It gets loose. They keep the pedal down. They are taking shots down the field to these. This really good receiver core. And it's just, like, out of control. And it's a three and a half hour coronation of Kurt Signetti and this Indiana program. And it is like they have to use every. They are showing his best friend from fifth grade because all the prep they have for this game, like, they were. You know, they're there. They were there pretty quick in the Indiana Oregon game. They were down. They were down the prep pike because it was like, well, this game's out of hand. I think it could get out of hand. 5614. And I'm gonna look for that. I'm gonna look for alternate lines. I'm gonna take Indiana minus 30. I'm gonna take Indiana to score 56. And the north triumph again. Three straight years, Big Ten champs.

[Bill Landis]

Okay, I'm picking Miami.

[Doug Lam Reese]

No, no, for real. Let's go. All right, that's. Now I want to hear it all. I want to hear it all.

[Bill Landis]

I think it's just a major over correction to me, woefully underestimating the situation on the line of scrimmage when Miami played Ohio State. And I don't want to do that again because I think it might. I think it could play out similarly against Indiana. I love Indiana. I don't. I actually. I think their offensive line is fine, but not great. And I don't know they'll be able to hold up against Miami. And I don't know that the movement of Indiana's defensive line will impact Miami's offensive line in quite the same way. Okay, if that. If those are two. If those are two sort of position battles where I think Miami has the edge and I do. I just think that might be a lot for Indiana to overcome. It's like, it's kind of. It would put Indiana back and I think in a similar place where it was last year, where, like, I had a lot of really good. But when it came down to it, it didn't have quite everything it needed on the line of scrimmage. And that's kind of where I am. I do think Miami's got a little magic to it. Like, I think there is pixie dust, and I don't think it's going to run out for them. While they're playing for a national title in their home stadium. I don't know what the crowd dynamic is going to be. I think it, I think probably not like a tremendous home field advantage for Miami. Although I will say, like, I thought the Miami fans at the Cotton bowl when we were there, like, made that feel far more, far more neutral than I thought it was going to be. So like, I, I don't, I don't know quite what to expect from the fan environment.

[Doug Lam Reese]

They showed up. No, I thought, I thought they showed up. I mean, Ohio State had more fans there, but it wasn't 80, 20. I thought it was more like 60, 40. And then when it got going, it felt like 50, 50. So.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, and I think like there's, I think there is an element like Miami fans, you know, we've all seen the screenshots whatever of like an empty Hard Rock Stadium. Miami's playing a game, but when the U is good, I do think they show up. And I do think, I do think it might matter some in this game.

[Doug Lam Reese]

But.

[Bill Landis]

It'S not like a lot of like, I think these like seven hardcore football reasons why it's going to happen. I think it's primary, primarily line of scrimmage. I think it's a little bit style of play. Miami being very comfortable, just sort of dinking and dunking and running short and, and churning out first downs and maybe kicking some field goals and, and being okay putting it on his defense and not feeling like it needs to hit explosive plays to win. The thing that scared, that scares me off picking Miami the most is the situation with its secondary in the first half. And like, might Indiana just run out to a lead that Miami can't overcome, which I, which I also think is possible, but I'm gonna roll with Miami 24, 21. I think like they kick a game winning field goal to win.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Oh my gosh. I do think one of the things, Indiana's defense creates more havoc than Ohio State's does. Right. And that, that was number one in the country.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

So that was, I think again, some of the matchup things that did not work out for Ohio State against Miami. That was another one of them. That of Ohio State is like, hey, we're going to make you drive on us. And then Carson Beck is like, I'll throw 5 yard passes all day. And that actually Ohio State kind of wants to take away your big plays. They're not going to force a ton of turnovers. They're going to make you work. And then Carson Beck worked For, like, two and a half drives, and that was enough and led them down the field. I think Indiana, through your havoc point, like, is going to get after them a little bit more. It's just in their DNA, I think, to. And as you've talked about the Indiana Ohio State games, like, they just do some things. They're blitzing guys from out here. They're. They're twisting and stunting up front, and so they're not as static as some teams. And I think. I think that could be. I think you have to create havoc. Right. Because if. Yeah, sometimes, like, that's what Carson. Carson Beck's. I've said it a million times, and here he is in the national championship game. He's not dangerous. If you hand him something, he'll say, thank you. But if you make him do something, I question his ability to really, like, do that in the face of a lot of stuff. And I think maybe Indiana just stylistically is more prepared to make him do things than Ohio State was. This is just a point of information as you and I. And this is fantastic because you and I agree too much, which is to your detriment, because you should not be agreeing with this. But if you're trying to figure out, wow, this is a divergence of opinion, who should I trust? I just will go back to our season records for the year against the spread. It was a big game for you. Indiana, Oregon. I said, man, if you get this right, you're going to be 500 and have a chance to make your pick in the national title game to finish with the winning record. And then we both got that wrong. So you are not 500. You are 61 and 63 against the spread for the year as we sit here right now. And that is quite a bit better than me because I am 54 and 70. So do you want to roll with the guy who's two games under.500, or do you want to roll with the old man in the backwards hat who's 16 games under.500? That's on you. I'm betting two bucks on Indiana to score 56. Oh, there we have it.

[Bill Landis]

I'm gonna. But I don't. I actually didn't look to see what Miami Moneyline is, but I'll be. I'll be. I'll be placing a wager on that for sure.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay. We should just book it with each other for this. It's like. I mean, you. You. You take. Yeah, I'll take Indiana minus 30. And you're like, okay, yeah, so, okay, that's where we are on these picks. We appreciate you guys like riding along all year for these. Fun and sometimes silly, but like, we try to analyze it. We don't just like throw it against the wall. And we're responsible for our records. And so sometimes picking games is difficult. And I made it look exceedingly difficult this year, which is why I am 16 games under.500. Let's do a little what you watch and what you eat and what you think. And you can get this on a regular basis weekly, as it turns out, over on the Bill and Doug show on substack billanddugosu.substack.com Again, why are we trying to get you pay to pay for football content by telling you to come watch us talk about streaming services and fast food? Well, the people love Bill. I don't know what to tell you. I mean, like, this is. Yeah, we get more response to this than we do to any football thoughts we have.

[Bill Landis]

Yes, we sure do. Which is great.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay. What are you watching?

[Bill Landis]

I, I binged my way through. It's only six episodes, his and hers on Netflix.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Oh, okay. Yes, I've, I've scouted it. I've seen it. John Bernthal.

[Bill Landis]

John Bernthal. Tessa Thompson. Doing, doing, I think, pretty solid work with just awful material.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Oh, for real.

[Bill Landis]

It sucked.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Are they cops? Are they sheriffs? What? Are they, Are they.

[Bill Landis]

He's a, he's a sheriff. She is a local news reporter.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay.

[Bill Landis]

There's a murder in a small town and, and hijinks ensue and like, the, the characters are pretty unlikable.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay.

[Bill Landis]

But they do a good job of playing them as such, I think. And there's enough of like a, There's. Well, I don't want to spoil it. There's enough of a whodunit. There's enough of a whodunit to keep you hooked, I think. But then something happens at the end that.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Are they, is it, is it in the South?

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, it's in Georgia. Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay. In like the three second clip that when you hover on it on Netflix, it plays it. John Bernthal's Southern accent made me think, like, I don't know if I can deal with this.

[Bill Landis]

It's, it's interesting because, like, he's sort of the only one who has it.

[Doug Lam Reese]

That's for real.

[Bill Landis]

Like, he's, he's doing a thing with his accent which like, he did like, you know, walk the Walking Dead takes place like in Atlanta and he did a similar thing in the Walking Dead. But it's weird because like Tessa Thompson is not doing, not doing a southern accent. They're, yeah, they're all from the same area. Like, okay. There's just, his is, his is very different. But I, I, you definitely notice it when the show first starts and then you kind of get past it after a while.

[Doug Lam Reese]

But okay.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, it's, he does. There's a little bit like a Foghorn Leghorn thing going on.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Oh. Which I like, I just, Okay. I was worried like it was, it was going to be so off putting that I couldn't even get through it. But if it, like if you just get used to it, you get ear blind to it.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah. Pablo Schreiber's in it. I like him. He plays Lev Shriver's brother. He's pretty good. Like it. I like I said like it is, it is like it's well acted. Like the people like on the show are like trying and did a good job. It's just like the story has a lot of holes in it and they, and they just do something at the end that was really unnecessary.

[Doug Lam Reese]

I, I really like, that's one of the hardest things I think in streaming shows anymore. It's like I'm not sure I like this but I just am going to hang in to see what happens, which is the whole point. And so we've all been hooked like that. So I don't know, I don't know how you give up once. Once you're two and a half episodes in and you're like, am I enjoying this? And it's like, yeah, but, but what's the thing? Don't I want to know the thing? So you couldn't give up?

[Bill Landis]

No. And it's only six episodes. They're all like 42 minutes. It's not, it's not a, it's not a heavy lift but you know, it's also, it's not Shakespeare either. So.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay.

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[Doug Lam Reese]

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[Doug Lam Reese]

I went and saw Timmy supreme, as I call it, Marty Supreme. Zero stars.

[Bill Landis]

Oh, yeah. Really.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Actively hated it.

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[Doug Lam Reese]

And once. Once something like that happens. Like all I've been doing is googling like, do people hate Marty Supreme? And there does seem to be some fringe like that it. I'm not the only person in America. And so this is. This is one of those things. Again, I understand that I am not Timothee Chalamet's primary target audience, but I thought it was a stupid story, incredibly poorly acted. I thought it was like a community theater level level of acting. There's all these non actors. Well, there's not all these. There's one guy, like, non actor in it. That guy's like, not a freaking actor. He's just being himself the whole time. Like, get a freaking actor. I don't need to see this guy. I thought it was horrible. Like we were angry at it, like during the course of it. And so it makes me think and. And like, I'm not telling anyone else not to go because I'm an old man, but it's just like another reminder to me of like, when the culture is passing me by. And so that there was this once, right? I mean, it's like one of those things where it's like, oh, we want people, whatever, 25 through 45. Or like the main down. It's like I'm out of that. That I'm out of the demographic that anybody cares about. So maybe I should just lock myself in my house and never consume pop culture anymore because they gave me Timothy Chalamet on a platter. He's winning Golden Globes. He's going to get nominated for an Oscar. I thought it was a paper thin performance that I've seen 8th graders do better. And I actively hated every single part of the movie in which he was involved. And maybe I just need to crawl up in a fetal position and fade away.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, well, I think there is an element to like. It's Chalamet. It's a Safdie brother. It's an A24 movie. You have to like it. How? What do you mean? How could you not like it? And it's just like, well, maybe it stinks. And I think we have to be open to every now and then, you know, the hot indie production company makes it makes a stinker. I don't know what to think of Shout. I think I. I think this is right. The only thing thing I've seen Chalamet in is Dune and like they want him to be Luke Skywalker. And I don't think he has any screen presence.

[Doug Lam Reese]

I don't think he has his screen presence either. Again, two old men think Timothy Chalabez has a screen presence. He has his shirt off in this. He weighs 78 pounds. I don't like what I. It's not for me, it's not for me to decide. I just don't. I didn't get, I didn't get any. I thought it was almost a spoof because it's like, how could this really be about the thing that it's saying that it's about? Because like it's. I can't believe that this is really what it's about for real. Like I'm supposed to care about.

[Bill Landis]

You're playing ping pong, right? It's ping pong.

[Doug Lam Reese]

I mean, it feels like a Tim Robinson sketch. It's like, what if it's like, what if we did like the Miracle on Ice, but we made it about ping pong. Haha. I mean, no offense, but I've seen guys play ping pong and movie before and it's called Forrest Gump and that was. And the thing about that is it's not all ping pong. It's a little bit of ping pong. A little bit of ping pong goes a long way. I. I am, I am not saying that I'm right. I am just. I am like super. I would like to form like a focus group, like a self help group for people who hated Marty Supreme. If you hate Marty supreme, please come in my basement and we'll hang out and talk about why we hated it. Like my favorite movie podcast talked about it and they both loved it and I wanted to punch them both in the neck because they're a bunch. I made me think they're a bunch of pretentious Ding Dongs, so. And they're my age, so I don't know, it's just like an odd Thing when you hate something that most people seem to like.

[Bill Landis]

I don't know. I would like someone, I would like someone also to tell me like what should I watch to like Chalamet? Because I kind of don't get it. I kind of like him personally. Like he seems like a cool dude who's into a lot of stuff and like really cares about the work that he does. I just think it's possible he's not that good of an actor, which is fine. Like plenty of good looking men have gotten by being terrible actors. But I don't know if he's good looking. Good, good looking enough for that.

[Doug Lam Reese]

But then when the whole world wants to give him an award, they're giving him a lot. Like they can't wait to give this guy an Academy award. They had to hold themselves back from giving him one for being Bob Dylan. They can't wait to get this guy an Academy Award for this. And I'm like, are you, did you watch the same thing that I watched? This is mind blowing to me. And it's hard because. And maybe I'm just a simpleton because it's like the character that he's playing is not particularly likable. So it's like, oh, you just don't like the character, which is why you don't like the movie. To which I would say, well, that's part of it. Like thanks for making me spend two and a half hours with a. An a hole. But also I love anti Heroes. Like I'll spend. I spent. I can't wait to hang out with Tony Soprano and Walter White. Right? I mean like the whole world is anti great. I don't, I mean look at me. I don't need, I'm not craving nice people. This wasn't it for me. So if you go see it, I would be very. I, I would be curious to talk with people both who hate it. That's who I want to talk to the most. But people who love it and just say, like, what is it about it that you love? Like what do you think is so outstanding? And not that and not for me to pick it apart and make fun of you. For you to inform me on this outlier opinion.

[Bill Landis]

So it's two and a half hours.

[Doug Lam Reese]

It's a lot of ping pong. I don't, I mean he's not playing ping pong the whole time, but. And then the guy from Columbus is in it. The guy, the guy who has like the really deep voice that they did a story in on The Dispatch. Like 15 years ago. Yeah. The guy. Ted Williams is his name, right?

[Bill Landis]

Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Golden voice. He's just, like, randomly in it.

[Bill Landis]

Okay.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Because I guess I saw him on.

[Bill Landis]

The news the other day, and I was like, why is this guy on the news again? Yeah, there's like, oh, because he's a Marty Supreme. All right.

[Doug Lam Reese]

He's like, why would you cast actors? I don't need actors.

[Bill Landis]

It's Gwyneth Paltrow, Marty supreme, and 30 people who are not Gwyneth Patrick. 30 people who aren't don't act. Yeah, no, which is fine.

[Doug Lam Reese]

It's. I hope. I hope people.

[Bill Landis]

What about the. The other. The. The other. The girl. The. The Odessa. Whatever her name is. Girl who I've never seen in anything before.

[Doug Lam Reese]

HBO show. Like, fine. I don't know.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Nobody's jumping off the screen to me.

[Bill Landis]

It's all fine.

[Doug Lam Reese]

All right. What are you eating?

[Bill Landis]

I'm gonna give a shout out to a. To a local Columbus business here. So we had my son's third birthday party last weekend, and my wife got these dinosaur cookies made for it, and they were, like, really well decorated. Like, there were different dinosaurs or, like, dinosaurs, I think, like, in an egg. There were, like, things that, like, said his name on it. They had, like, number. They're just, like, all, like, hand sort of. They look. They were painted practically, and. And I think oftentimes when you get stuff like that, they don't taste good.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Yes.

[Bill Landis]

Like. Like you're. Whatever you're using to. To make it look the way it looks just like. Is like it's edible, but barely. These were fantastic. They were. They were brownie. They were brownie cookies. Iced brownie cookies. Like, the icing was good. The brownie cookie was. Was awesome. We ended up with a bunch of them left over, and I've been, like, housing them all week, where we finally ran out of them, thankfully, because I've definitely eaten far too many of them. But they're just made by a woman in Hilliard who, like. Who, like, does it as, like, a side hustle, from all I can tell. And I think my wife found her on Instagram, and it's Captain Kelly's Kitchen on Instagram.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Let's have her on the show Cats.

[Bill Landis]

And Kelly makes a hell of a cookie. Like, I. I would. I would. I would recommend it to anybody who's got to get the, like, you know, especially decorative cookies for a birthday party or. Or whatever, because not only do they look fantastic, but they taste even better. Like, I could not. Like, I thought for sure they Were going to be terrible when I saw how well they were.

[Doug Lam Reese]

You assume it's gonna taste terrible.

[Bill Landis]

Yes. Yeah. And they were really, really good.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Because you figure, like, you got to go one way or the other, right? What do you care about the most? And if you really care about how it looks and like, most of the time, right? And then it's like, oh, you cared so much about this. Making this cookie look like a painting. I don't want to eat a painting. What are we doing here? What's the point? You made it look cool. I took a bite of it and it tasted like plastic. What a wonderful thing for you guys.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Congratulations.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, she does. She does nice work.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Ate this. It is a pepperoni stick. Pepperoni pizza stick I got at the grocery store. It was like a dollar and a half pepperoni pizza stick by Tombstone. Shopping with my family. And it's like, dad's got to get that for whatcha. So here's the thing. This is microwavable. I made it in a microwave. And I would rather throw myself out of a helicopter than make pizza in a microwave. Right? Like, what are we doing? You put a pizza, anything that's pizza in a microwave. It's like you're just. You're destroying the crust, you're destroying the dough. You and I would certainly argue at times, right? That is not the dough and the crust. The most important part of a pizza. And what are we doing? This was like a dollar fifty. Put it in the microwave for two minutes. It's like the dough is thick enough that it holds up, right? It holds up and it does not get rubbery. And then the inside is just hot lava pizza. Right? When you microwave it for two minutes and like, as a stick. So if we're talking about, like, right, Totina's pizza rolls and your friends all come over and your mom makes your. Right. Your parents are making the pizza rolls. I don't have any friends. So if I want to have like a little pizza snack, I can't get like a big thing of rolls. I got. This is the lonely man's pizza snack, and that's me. So if you are a person who sits in your house by yourself and doesn't want like a whole pizza thing going on, but just like a little pizza action. Just like a little maybe mid afternoon pizza deal. I kind of had this for my lunch with some vegetables. It was pretty good. Carbs are 28 carbs. Like, not too bad, right? But if you're worried, if you're nervous about putting pizza in a Microwave, which you should be nervous about. It's a last resort. This actually worked. And so I think, like, there are times, like, that's what I'm looking for. It's like a shot glass of pizza. Like, I don't want a whole. I don't want 12 ounces. I don't want a whole drink. I just want a shot of pizza. And this. This got it done. And I had not seen necessarily. It does look like something. I'm sure they have it in convenience stores, but then you have that microwave. But surprisingly good. I was pleased. I was pleased because I'm often looking for a pizza shot. Right? Especially like, my kids are gone. My wife doesn't really eat pizza. So otherwise, like, I'm eating whole pizzas by myself. Well, that's. That's not the best for me.

[Bill Landis]

No.

[Doug Lam Reese]

So dissatisfied.

[Bill Landis]

Didn't explode in the microwave. Did not.

[Doug Lam Reese]

I. I probably microwaved it like eight seconds too long. It started to leak a little bit, but it didn't explode. And I think that was more on me because whenever there's microwave directions, I always go like 10 or 15 seconds over.

[Bill Landis]

Can you air fry it? Yeah, I think you could.

[Doug Lam Reese]

But part of it is because I don't want to microwave anything other than like a microwave. Like a pipe, a thing that is a microwave meal, microwave popcorn. Other than that, like, I don't want to microwave anything. So I'm always air frying, which then takes a little bit longer. But then like, I. There. You can air fry it, but you don't need to.

[Bill Landis]

Okay.

[Doug Lam Reese]

And this will be ready in a minute and 45 seconds to give you a little pizza shot. Are there times when you feel like you could use a pizza shot?

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, and I always get mad. Not mad, but, like, a little frustrated that, like, I want. I want a piece of pizza. I don't want a whole pizza. But then, like, if I want it and I'm not going to call out and order it, I end up making like a whole frozen pizza. And it's like, well, I don't really want all of it.

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[Bill Landis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

And like, again, we're just. Ohio is not like a go grab a slice of pizza place. Like, I mean, as a region, like, if you were in Philadelphia, there actually.

[Bill Landis]

Place near me that I could walk to that I can get one that.

[Doug Lam Reese]

I don't think you can get one slice.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Because there are times, like, if you're in the right region, and it's like, man, I'm just gonna go get a slice of Pizza. It's not lunch, it's not dinner. It's 3:30 and I'm just. Could use a little something. Nothing hits like that. I don't know where to. I. I bet you there are not a ton, right? There's probably not a ton of places in central Ohio to do that.

[Bill Landis]

I remember the place used to be near campus that you can go to. That's not there anymore. Yep. And I live near East Market and there's a yellow brick in there. You can get a slice. Okay.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Yeah.

[Bill Landis]

That's the only two I know of. Yeah. This is the replacement.

[Doug Lam Reese]

What are you thinking about?

[Bill Landis]

Why do. Why do. Why do we want. Why. Why do we care about sports? Why do we.

[Doug Lam Reese]

They won the super bowl last year.

[Bill Landis]

It's not that. It's not just that. It's just how things tend to spiral. They. The Eagles lost. The Flyers were in a playoff spot like a week ago and now they can't win. The Sixers got dump trucked by the Cavs. They stink. And the Phillies were supposed to sign Boba Shet and the Mets stole them. Yeah, it all happened like in the last 10 days. I'm done giving up. Gonna become a monk.

[Doug Lam Reese]

What? For real? Like, on a scale of one to a thousand, how. What is the impact of those sports happenings for your teams on your everyday life right now, on how you feel walking around in the world?

[Bill Landis]

It's like how I feel walking around in the world. Like pretty, pretty low actually. Like, it's not. I'm not walking around angry or anything, but. But I want to now that the NFL season is over and college football will be over on Monday night. Like, I, I have a hard time just like casually watching a game if it's not a team that I'm invested in. And I feel like I'm staring down from now until next football season, just mediocre professional Philadelphia sports. And I'm like dreading it a little bit that that's the problem. Yeah. But it's not like I'm not like, whatever, mad at my family because the Eagles lost or anything like that.

[Doug Lam Reese]

But there is like the idea like that. Yeah, it's a sports desert. You're creating a sports desert of like, if you don't, if you don't have something, because it's nice to have a little something percolating in the background. Or maybe it's not in the background. Like, like that's like sports percolates around you. And so like if there's just something extra to care about. Right. I Do think. And like, you've sort of brought it up. And we would direct people to our conversation with Ross Bjork, the athletic director of Ohio State. Like, in talking about soft caps, hard caps, unlimited spending, whatever. Like, just like what the Dodgers are doing right now. And it's like the Kyle Tucker. I think the Mets thought they were gonna get Kyle Tucker, so he went to the Dodgers. So instead the Mets got Boba Shet and took him away from the Phillies. I do wonder, like, if what the Dodgers are doing, to the extent the Dodgers are doing it, how dangerous that could be for sports that even, like, as Ross Bjork is sort of talking about the idea in his sword, I think you kind of were bringing up. It's like, well, if there's no limit, if there's no cap. If there's no cap on Rev share and you can do whatever you want that would be beneficial for a place like Ohio State. But, man, it's tough in the uncapped sports. Like, the Dodgers are so dominant and their. Their payroll is quintuple. Some teams that. It's just like, it's on the verge of making it not fun for everybody.

[Bill Landis]

It also makes me nervous. Like, I don't know, because, like, the. There's the. The CBA is up for baseball soon.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Right.

[Bill Landis]

And I don't know, like, obviously no one wants to see baseball going to a work stoppage, but, like, the stuff like that make it more likely that there's gonna be a work stoppage. Yeah. The sport needs to figure itself out. Yeah. I don't know.

[Doug Lam Reese]

But.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, it was just, you know, not a. Not a great, like, 13 days. But once. Once the Eagles start signing free agents and looking at draft picks, I'll be. I'll be right back in it. Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

He's gonna make the All Star team. Right. He'll start in the All Star Game. That'll be good.

[Bill Landis]

And I think. I think. I think Katie McDonald's gonna look great in the Eagles uniform, so.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Oh, that's right.

[Bill Landis]

Oh, you.

[Doug Lam Reese]

You facilitating Kate McDonald need an agent. Yeah. So this is not what I'm thinking, but I will say that I had a. In incredibly vivid dream last night where I drowned a guy. And I woke up shook. I woke up shook because I. I helped. It was an. It was actually. The guy looked like Jim Varney, the guy who plays Ernest. Like an Earnest Goes to Camp. I drowned Ernest. There was a river that, like, went, like, went in front of my house, like, kind of in the woods. And this guy was, like, coming down the river to get us. Because I've been watching. I've been watching Bad Black Rabbit, Black Rabbit, Jason Bateman and Jude Law. It's like all these kind of shows now, and it's a little bit like. Like, Marty supreme is in that range of, like, you do some things, and maybe you don't mean it, but it gets away from you. And all of a sudden you're doing other things, and like. Like, you're doing terrible things you kind of didn't intend to do. And so, like, that's in my head, but that's what all pop culture is these days, which, actually, I should like that. So, like, the guy was gonna. Was, like, coming to get us, and we heard, like, we figured it out that he was coming to get us. So he was swimming down the river that ran in front of my house to come get us in our house. And I went out to the river and met him and just grabbed him and held him under the water for 10 minutes. And, like, in my dream, I think 10 minutes, I wanted to make sure. And so in my dream, I think I just was dreaming, like, 10 minutes of just, like, holding this guy and under the water. And then, like, I did it successfully to defend my home. And then I woke up, and I was like. I really just felt like I was drowning somebody for the last 10 minutes. And, like, I. I am not usually that shook by my dreams. It was a rough morning.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

It happens to everybody sometimes, right?

[Bill Landis]

It definitely does. I had a dream. I guess it's a nightmare. Like, two nights ago, someone was chasing me with a knife. Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Oh, yeah. I. You'll also notice that I did not characterize me murdering someone in a river as a nightmare. It was a dream.

[Bill Landis]

Well, you had a lovely, lovely home along the riverbank. Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Succeeded in my dream mission, which was to drown Ernest for 10 minutes. That's not my main thing. So I. Am I missing out on wine culture? Because I was. Drove past a thing the other day that was, like. It was a shop called Wine and Canvas. And there seems to be all these things that people do where drinking the wine is a primary part of the activity, but it's not the activity. And I just think to myself, what if there was a thing that I could do that it was like, Diet Coke and Canvas, and it's like, come paint a picture, but also try 11 different flavors of Diet Coke while you were doing it? I would sign up in a nanosecond, but I don't know of anything, except I like every moment of My life that is like, do an activity, but also to supplement the activity. Having a fun time. Drinking Diet Coke is part of it. And I don't do it with beer. I don't do it with wine. And I feel like I am missing out on something because I'm an old man. What else am I gonna do? Like, do you. Do you participate in wine culture at all?

[Bill Landis]

No, I'll. I'll drink a glass of wine if someone puts it in front of me. Like, the. The experience is a little lost on me. And wine makes me sleepy, so I'd like to try to avoid it. So I don't think I would. Yeah, I'd fall asleep halfway through painting the picture if I went to Wine and Canvas. But you don't think, like, if you go with a group of friends to Wine and Canvas, you're like, you know what? I don't feel like having alcohol tonight. I'll take a Diet Coke. They don't have one available for you?

[Doug Lam Reese]

I don't know. But. But also, like, aren't I missing 40 of it? Oh, try this Pinot Whatever. Doug, don't you want to try? This is a. It has a. Tastes like mulch or whatever, and I feel like I. But is that what it is?

[Bill Landis]

It's a wine tasting. It's like.

[Doug Lam Reese]

I don't know. I didn't go in. Smell.

[Bill Landis]

You're smelling the glass. You're twirling it around, like, all that stuff. Yeah, you do all that. It's like, yep, this one also tastes like sour fruit juice. Next.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Yeah, they don't want me there. They don't want me there. But, like, could you please, can we make diet Coke place where I can, like, do a little pottery on the side while I'm drinking, like, seven different flavors of Diet Coke? I don't know why. It's not the alcohol.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, you want like a. Like a. Like a. A bunch of easels with people painting and like a coat and like a Coke remix machine in the corner. Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

But then maybe at that place, they have like, a special thing where it's like they have butterscotch Coke, which you don't have anywhere else. Like, you gotta try the butterscotch Coke. It's like, oh, yeah, I can't wait to try the butterscotch Diet Coke.

[Bill Landis]

Have you ever gone to, like, a real soda fountain where, like, they. They mix the syrup and the carbonated stuff and like.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Yeah. Oh, like old timey.

[Bill Landis]

Old timey.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Sounds fun.

[Bill Landis]

That's so fun.

[Doug Lam Reese]

I'm missing out. Just. I just if you participate in wine culture, just tell us how good it is. Like, what are we missing? Right? Are we like, it's okay, isn't it?

[Bill Landis]

Mostly just like getting away from your kids or your spouse. That's what I always. Like, that's the real treat, is it not?

[Doug Lam Reese]

But I do that too. Come play video games, drink seven different times of Diet Coke and avoid your family. I'm there now. I love my family.

[Bill Landis]

But we're just talking about Dave and Busters.

[Doug Lam Reese]

I know, but like, but Dave and Buster should, should accentuate the Diet Cokeness of it. Like, that's, that's the thing that I'm missing. I can go do a thing, but can I have this second thing? I want the ampersand. I want the activity and Diet Coke just like wine and beer and.

[Bill Landis]

Right.

[Doug Lam Reese]

You're going to a thing. We're going to a brewery. We're going to do like you go to a wine tasting. Why can't I. Why isn't there a Napa Valley of, of Diet Coke where you just go look at all the vats chemicals and you walk. Look at these chemicals, how good these chemicals are. Wow, that's great. Put those chemicals in my drink and we'll try them fresh right out here in the lobby when we're done. After our tour. I want to tour a chemical factory and then drink it in my body.

[Bill Landis]

I don't know.

[Doug Lam Reese]

Okay, that's, that's gonna do it. So you can come find us over on the Bill and Doug show on our substack. Bill and Doug OSU subs.com We like to talk national college football here. We like to do Ohio State stuff out here. Over there, it's pretty much Ohio State stuff. But it's also watcha usually every Wednesday and where we do like one or two, usually two shows a week over there just for the substack, folks. And we're, we're talking about the transfer portal. We're talking about everything in college football. We're writing about it, we're tracking it. It's almost over. And then we'll be doing a live show here on Monday night after the national championship game. Live show on YouTube. Indiana, Miami. And I think the plan will be we usually do around the shoe here on Monday. I think we're trying to bump it to Tuesday.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah.

[Doug Lam Reese]

So maybe react to the national title game a little bit. Wrap up transfer stuff for Ohio State, have two other Ohio State people join us to talk about that. But for now, thanks to you guys so much for being here. We are just two guys shouting into a microphone without you. So for now, he's Bill Landis on Douglas Maurice. And that was the Bill and Doug show.

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Honey, do not make plans. Saturday, January 24th. Okay.

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Why? What's happening?

[Walmart Wellness Promoter]

The Walmart Wellness event. Flu shots, health screenings, free samples from those brands you like.

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All that at Walmart.

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We can just walk right in, no appointment needed. Who knew we could cover our health and wellness needs at Walmart?

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Check the calendar. Saturday, January 24th.

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Walmart wellness event. You knew?

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I knew. Check in on your health at the same place you already shop. Visit Walmart, Saturday, January 24th for our semiannual wellness event. Flu shots. Subject to availability and applicable state law. Age restrictions apply. Free samples while supplies last.