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Ohio State Around the Shoe: Bo Jackson's breakout; could Jeremiah Smith play in the NFL now?
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From comparing Jeremiah Smith to Ohio State receivers currently in the NFL, to figuring out what Bo Jackson might look like in the Buckeyes' running back rotation by the Michigan game, to whether Ohio State should play an in-state team every season, Around the Shoe has you covered with the best quick-hit discussion on Ohio State football.
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Doug Lay
Welcome to the second episode of around the Shoe. We didn't get canceled after the first one and sometimes you never know when you might get canceled. So we're excited to be here. Douglas, Maurice and Bill Landis of the Bill and Doug Show. Two new special guests this week as we bring in two of the the great Ohio State beat writers. This is a robust, competitive, awesome beat and we just want to hear different voices this week. Dan hope of 11 warriors, Cameron Teague Robinson of the Athletic with we have five topics. We're going to run through them quick about what's going on with Ohio State football. But first off, Dan Hope, thank you for being here. How many years have you been covering the Buckeyes?
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Dan Hope
Yeah, so this is my ninth season at eleven warriors covering Ohio State. I mean I had some time as a student covering the Buckeyes as well, but then came back to the Ohio State beat in 2017 with 11 warriors and been there ever since.
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Doug Lay
Bill we were talking before the show started. We remember when Dan was covering Clemson for the 2016 Ohio State Clemson semifinal and it turned out that 31 nothing loss was very difficult for Ohio State fans. But it also created a new era in Ohio State football, did it not?
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Bill Landis
Yeah, I remember you and I and Ari Wasserman at the time did a video about whether or not Ohio State should hire Chip Kelly to be its offensive Coordinator. After that game, we should have done a video about whether or not 11 warriors should have hired Dan Hope because we would have been prophetic in our coverage. Yeah.
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Doug Lay
And by the way, I am so excited for when Dan Hope gets to his 11th year at Eleven Warriors. I don't know if the universe will fold in on itself or what. But Dan, we're happy to have you on the beat. We're happy to have you here. Cameron Teague Robinson of the Athletic how many years covering the Buckeyes for you?
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Cameron Teague Robinson
Yeah, yeah, this will be my fourth season. I joined in, I think it was a 2022 season. I joined the game the second game of the year. So I didn't cover the Notre Dame game at home, but I did. I covered the rest of that season after that.
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Doug Lay
And I will say at some of my previous stops, I may or may not have had conversations with people about what when you worked somewhere else previously saying, you know what, I think maybe we should hire this guy. And then I think we were just like starting to have conversations like, yeah, maybe we should hire this guy. And then he went to the Athletic and I was like, great.
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Cameron Teague Robinson
Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate that, Doug. It's all. I appreciate it for sure.
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Doug Lay
We could just speak the truth here. Cam was like, I'm not working with that guy. I'm not going to work with him.
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Cameron Teague Robinson
No, honestly, it was. I was pretty close before I got joined the Athletic man.
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Doug Lay
It was alternate universe as well. We're glad how it worked out for everybody. Five topics here. The first one off the top is like a hot running back topic because we like hot topics here around the shoe. What will the Ohio State running Ohio State running back rotation look like by the Michigan game? Who's RB1? Is it a rotation? If it is a rotation, how many guys are in it? Dan Hope, crystal ball. Who's carrying the ball against the Wolverines?
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Dan Hope
Yeah, great question to start us off here. I mean, I feel like it's going to be a free man rotation. I feel like based on what we saw with Bo Jackson against Grambling, the momentum that's behind him, I feel like he's going to force his way into this running back rotation. Now I don't think Ohio State is going to completely go away from either of C.J. donaldson or James Peoples. I think those guys are going to be in the plan all year long. But I think based on what we've seen from from Bo Jackson so far, I, I think he's got a chance to really force his way into this rotation. I Think he's got a different level of explosiveness than those two guys have. And you know, I, I think it's still to be determined because we haven't really seen a Carlos Lachlan running back rotation that's more than two guys. But I also don't think that the guys they have leading that rotation right now are Travion Henderson or Quinchon Judkins. So I think that leaves the door open for another running back to force his way in there and. And it feels like Bo Jackson's on his way to doing that.
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Doug Lay
Cam, you got similar thoughts on Mr. Jackson?
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Cameron Teague Robinson
Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. I was really impressed by Bo against Gramley State. I think like Dan said, I think he's more explosive than both CJ and James. But I think he also for someone that young, he just seems like he sees holes and moves well through the hole really well. I mean I know it was Grambling State and speed of things will pick up even with Ohio University this weekend. But for him to just see things as clearly as he does so well, or at least that's what it looks like on film. Like I'm really impressed with him. I think you'll probably see a three man rotation. I'm very interested to see how many carries Bo gets against Ohio this weekend. I'd love to see him especially Bahas. They can put it away by like the third quarter. Get him, let, let him get majority of the second half snaps just to see what he can do.
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Doug Lay
I know that Landis, you told me this off the air. You just said I think Bo Jackson's overrated. So I mean, I can't believe that you said it. I mean everybody else seems excited, but how do you think this is gonna go?
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Bill Landis
Yeah, that's the thing I definitely said to you. No, I think at some point on the round of shoe, I think we'll have some disagreement but. But not on, not on this point. I'm with the other guys. I do think it'll be a three man rotation. Although I would guess of that three man rotation, I think Bo Jackson will be the guy getting the ball the most by the time the Michigan game comes around. Just because he does have that other gear. This is something or would be something that we really haven't seen before. I was looking back through to see and I didn't go back that far but like in 2022, I think there were three running backs that ended up with 100 carries. But Travion Henderson wasn't healthy for that year. So like Dallin, Hayden had to pick up some of that slack. So Hayden, Trayvon and Maya Williams all ended up with 100 carries. That's not exactly what we're talking about. We're talking about a true three man shared workload, which certainly hasn't happened in my time on the beat. I wouldn't know the last time that happened at Ohio State. Probably have to go back a little bit. But I'm reminded of Georgia in the 2022 season. They had like a three man running back thing that was fairly balanced with Kenny McIntosh, Dejan Edwards and Kendall Milton. The top two guys had like 150 carries, but then Milton had like 85. And I think Milton was not entirely healthy that year either. But it's been done before. I think it can be done at a place like Ohio State. It'll be something new to manage, I'm sure for Carlos Lachlan and for all three guys involved. But for the good of the offense, it almost feels necessary because Jackson, I do think just brings a more of an explosive element to the position than the other guys do who aren't. I don't think they're going anywhere. They have strengths as well, but I don't know that their strengths are quite the same as Bose. And as long as he continues to get more work, I think he's going to earn more and more playing time.
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Doug Lay
I'm going sunny styles because remember in 2022 when in the Michigan game, Ohio State's leading rusher was a linebacker because it was chip training because the whole running back room exploded. So I. It is just a reminder that sometimes things go crazy. The guy that I actually have been thinking about a little bit with, Bo Jackson, is a man that we call Beanie. And I am old enough. You guys are not. When Beanie, Chris Beanie Wells arrived on the scene at Ohio State, first of all, it took us half a season to understand that he really wanted to be called Beanie. I would say the number one thing like in that season, it's like, is Troy Smith gonna win the Heisman in 2007? 6. Is Ohio State gonna go wire to wire? Is number one? And the other thing is, what do we call this guy? Really? It's Beanie. And we like and like mainstream newspapers. Back then it was like, you can't call a guy Beanie in a headline. It's like that's what he wants to be called. So Chris Wells in 2006 was a top 10 national recruit. Just like Bo Jackson. He was from Northeast Ohio, but Like, we have to, I do think, remind ourselves sometimes you don't have to play a guy regularly for him to make an impact. And again, if there's anybody watching or listening to this who has not watched this, go back and watch The Chris Wells 52 yard touchdown run from the 2006 Ohio State Michigan game. Spin move in the backfield, hit the hole. Gone. 52 yard touchdown run. When that game is tied at seven in the second quarter and he had four other yards the rest of the game, he had like, he was definitely number two to Antonio Pittman that year. You could see the talent coming. So I am very interested. I agree with all of you guys completely. But like Dan, I'm just wondering if still maybe is Bo Jackson more like a secret weapon that you occasionally unleash to destroy people, but he's not maybe as in the rotation, you know what I mean? Or in this day and age, if you got a freshman and he can do it, you got to play him.
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Dan Hope
Yeah, I mean, I, I could see it going either way there. Like, I, I do think that for right now, that's what it's more likely to be and more likely kind of occasional guy that provides a spark. You know, if it gets to a point where you know he's in there and he's the best running back, then I think you could see that shift. But I, I would agree. I think initially it's still probably more likely to be C.J. and James getting most of a workload with Bo maybe kind of gradually ramping up as the season progresses.
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Doug Lay
So I don't really want to pull the reins back here because, like, we're having a good time or we're just having quick hit conversations. But also, Cam, the idea that like Bo Jackson gets 19 carries against Michigan because he's the number one back, do you think that is that is on the table also? That, that maybe you could play it safe, but also you could be like, this guy's the dude.
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Cameron Teague Robinson
Yeah, I mean, I think if he's the dude, you got to give him the ball. I, I do still like what C.J. donaldson gives him in turn. I think he's always going to be the red zone guy because he just has that kind of strength and power in there and I think he gives him a nice change of pace. And I think Ryan loves the experience that C.J. brings. But I, I think if Bo continues to, to do what he's doing, like, it's gonna be hard to keep him off the field and it's going to be for me, like I think right now, yeah, he's probably RB3, but I think by even by Penn State if he's continues to do this like it's gonna be hard for me to think like you can't give him at least RB2 carries.
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Doug Lay
All right. Second topic scale of one to ten. Ten is good. One is not so good. Thinking about the future of the Ohio State defense and basing this a lot on the guys who flashed on Saturday against Grambling State. What do you feel about Ohio State's defense down the road? Whether that means in November of this year, whether that means in 2026, 2027. One is low. Ten is great. Cam, what do you think?
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Cameron Teague Robinson
Yeah, I probably go an 8. I I mean I love Riley Peloton as, as I assume many people do after that game and I think he's a future star probably as, as early as next year. I think he's, he's gonna be really good. I really like the secondary. I thought the Heim Delane played well and the snaps he got. I really, I've liked Aaron Scott for a while. Obviously Devin Sanchez is there, but in terms of like the future future, I think those guys have a very, very bright future. I still work, I still just don't know what we have, what they have up front on D line. I, I think, I thought Zion Grady has a bright Future. I thought he, he did a nice job on that sack, but it's just a little bit unknown there. But I think the back, the back end is just, I think they're really, really good, really, really deep even for this year. I think they have a lot of guys they could play right now if they wanted to.
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Bill Landis
I would say. I'm like, yeah, I'm like a, probably like a 7 because there are some defensive line concerns I think a little bit. But what I do like and Cam kind of touched on this is that you can point to every level of the defense and find a young guy or two to be pretty excited about. Right. Like Jarquez Carter, a tackle gradient defensive end I even really liked. You know, he, he played on against scrambling. I don't know how much he flashed, but like episode in camp I thought looked really good. Right. So there are guys to get excited about there like linebacker Riley Petta, John Payton, Pierce is in good hands because I don't think Arval Reese is going to be here next year. And I think the secondary is going to be excellent because you have these young guys who were sort of waiting their turn. But then you also have Jaylen McLean who has to come back for at least one more year as well. So it's not to say like I think Ohio State has the best secondary in college football right now. I wouldn't say that about next year's team because they're going to be so young and so inexperienced. From a talent standpoint, I think the potential is nearly as high. Right. You don't have a Caleb Downs you can, you can point to necessarily. But McLean is super smart and Fahim Delane plays like a, like a missile, kind of like Lathan Ransom played. So there's a lot there. And I think that, you know, early on in Ryan Day's tenure, some of the defensive recruiting I think left a lot to be desired and it started to turn a little bit with that 2022 class that is now sen years and I think has been fairly consistent with, with the exception of like an occasional defensive line miss here or there. So they're set up pretty well. But because of the defensive line question, I would still put myself at a seven.
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Doug Lay
I think I'm at an eight. Also. I, also I, I did want to note this, I haven't said this yet and I meant to say it the other day. I like certain types of mistakes because I'm bad at analyzing football. But Bill, Edric Houston and I, I, we can still count Edric Houston as A young guy, right? He's a second year guy.
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Bill Landis
Yeah.
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Doug Lay
Calm, young, right? He jumped offside twice against Grambling State. And it's like, oh, I like defensive linemen who jump offside because it means they're trying to like, anticipate the snap count and like, be quick. Like, I have a quick get off. Like Miles. I think Miles Garrett for the Browns. A lot of times he'll have like one a game and it's like, it's worth it. So can I just give a shout out for jumping I get right? I mean, this is the kind of thing that also a coach could show. Can you imagine coaches sitting around like, Ryan Day is like, hey, guys, we got to interrupt the meeting around the shoe just to hit YouTube. Everybody get your popcorn. It's like, ah, here's Doug. Here comes the part where Doug likes penalties. So I was excited about Edric Houston, but other than that, it is a little odd. It's felt like for a long time when you thought about these questions like defense, especially of the future, you always went defensive line first. Like, that's where your head went. It's like, oh, man. It's like when they had Chase Young as a true freshman and he was the fifth defensive end and it was like, oh, wait till they do this. And it. It's very much like a back seven conversation now. And it doesn't mean that the front four is not going to be good, but both you guys, I think correctly started with the back seven. It's a little bit hard to wrap your head around, so I'm curious about that, but I think I'm still an eight. Dan, where are you?
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Dan Hope
Yeah, I'm gonna go 7.5. And it's really for the same reasons that Cam and Bill already illustrated. I think the thing that keeps me from going higher is, is the defensive line. Some of the recruiting misses that there's been there for the last few years. You know, there's some promising guys, you know, guys like Zion Grady, he already mentioned, you know, Edric Houston's only a sophomore, but I still look at it and say they're probably going to need to go to the transfer portal well a few times over the next couple years to, to build that position back up, because I just don't know that there's quite enough guys there to feel really good about the depth that they're going to have a top level talent they're going to have on that defensive front over the next couple years. So that's why I go 7.5. Just not not quite. Not quite. A full 8 because of some of those defensive line questions.
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Doug Lay
Landis. I like it when people come on around the shoe and they just feel comfortable. And Hope's like, I'm going decimal. I don't care. Did we say you could do decimals, Dan? Dan's like, I've been at eleven warriors for nine years. If I want to go decimal, I'm going decimal. So we're all in the same range here. And I think we're, I think we're very curious about what the future that defensive line thinks. Question number three, by the way, Landis, do you agree with this? It looks like you, you are holding the three of us hostage and you are making us like grind film in your basement. You have your beautiful backdrop, your beautiful setup. And this is the beige patrol. And it's like if I go down the steps in Landis his house, what am I going to find? And it's going to be the three of us in individual rooms. Breaking down T of the third string offensive line from the Grambling State game on your behalf.
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Dan Hope
I'm not allowed out until I finish the snap counts.
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Bill Landis
That's right. That's right. I need the snap counts. I need film. I love a taupe basement. So yeah, you guys gotta get some decorations in your background. That's not my fault.
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Doug Lay
True or false, Dan? Hope, once upon a time before PFF was as prevalent as it is now. And you were doing the snap counts for 11 warriors. And I would wait for your snap counts to come out and then cite them. Did I give you five dollars?
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Dan Hope
You did.
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Doug Lay
Dan's like, thanks. I was up until 4:30 in the morning. I'll go get a Double hamburger at McDonald's now. Doug.
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Cameron Teague Robinson
Wow.
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Doug Lay
Awesome. And I was like, I got a solid 10 hours sleep. Thanks, Dan, for doing that for me. Landis, should Ohio State play another team from Ohio every year? The Ohio Bobcats are on the schedule, coming to the shoe on Saturday.
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Bill Landis
Yes, I feel strongly about this. I think Ohio State should play a team from Ohio every year. I think I've talked about this before, but I've not talked about it yet on this channel. I want there to be a weekend in every college football season where Ohio teams only play Ohio teams. And it would involve getting the Mac involved and like reconfiguring their regular season schedule because obviously a large chunk of that would involve all the Ohio Mac teams. But then you get Ohio State and Cincinnati in the mix. I think you could get Youngstown State in the mix. Maybe somebody could play Dayton, if you wanted to. That doesn't really happen all that often, but with all the Division 1, FBS and FCS teams in the state, I think it would be doable. I think you could have a celebration of Ohio football one weekend in September every year. If you even wanted to take it a step further, you can get the NFL involved. We just saw the season start with the Browns and the Bengals playing each other. Why not have the Browns and the Bengals play each other and all the Ohio college teams play each other, A bunch of high school bangers and celebrate the sport that Ohio loves the most on one weekend every fall?
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Doug Lay
Yeah, that idea stinks. That's stupid. I can't believe you suggested that. Yeah, I mean. I mean, other than the fact that it would be the greatest thing to ever happen in the history of Ohio football, can you imagine if you did. Even at the shoe, like, Friday night or Friday you did a couple high school games. Right. Saturday you did Ohio State versus somebody. You could even do a double header. What if you played, like, Dayton, Youngstown State at noon and you played Ohio State versus, you know, one of the Mac teams at night? And then you follow that up with. It's always either Browns at Bengals or Bengals at Browns. Like, there's a real opportunity here. Because I do think. Bill, do you think that the state of Ohio can celebrate its football heritage and how important this sport is to the state even more than it does?
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Cameron Teague Robinson
Yeah.
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Bill Landis
And it's not to say that it doesn't, but we all know how important. Like, I'm.
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Doug Lay
I'm.
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Bill Landis
You know, I'm not from Ohio, but I. But I know how important it is to. To this state. I've been fortunate enough to cover the sport in the state for. For more than a decade, both at the high school and college level. So I've seen the passion, but I do think there are more ways to celebrate that. Yes.
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Doug Lay
So Ohio State has played a team from Ohio throwing out the COVID year every year since 19. And they also have. They have Kent State on the schedule in 26, Bowling Green on the schedule in 27. They don't have an Ohio team on the schedule in 28. They didn't play an Ohio team in 13, 15, 17, or 18. And I would just like to note. 13, no Ohio team on the schedule. They played Buffalo, San Diego State, Callan, Florida A and M. They lost in the Big Ten championship game and had a very disappointing season. And Urban Meyer ate a sad slice of pizza. 15, they're defending national champs. They don't Pay an Ohio team, they lose. The game against Michigan State doesn't go so well. 17 and 18, they're right there on the edge of the playoff. They lose games in the regular season, they can't lose. They don't play Ohio teams, they don't make the playoff. Am I saying that Ohio State is cursed every season that doesn't play an Ohio team? Yes, yes, I am play Ohio teams. Dan Hope, what do you think?
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Dan Hope
Yeah, I love Bill's idea and, you know, fully agree, but I think Ohio State should be playing Ohio teams every year. I mean, you know, we, we know the sketch. The way college football games are scheduled are going to continue to change as things continue to evolve with the CFP format and all of that. But if you go under the current structure with, you know, House, they'd always want seven home games every year. That means two of those games every year are going to be against non power four teams. Most likely one of those games, at least one of those games should be against a team from Ohio because, I mean, you think about the way those rosters are constructed for, you know, all those other Ohio teams. Most of them are mostly Ohio kids. Most of them grew up Ohio State fans dreaming of playing in my shoes. So I think giving those, those teams that opportunity and like Bill said, you know, it helps celebrate the state. I mean, you have a game like this past weekend, like, yeah, the Grambling band was cool and all that, but you're kind of like, what are we doing here? Like, why are we really playing this game? I think when they play an Ohio team, even if Ohio State wins big, you feel like there's a purpose behind it because of the fact that they're all universities in the same state.
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Doug Lay
What do you think, Cam?
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Cameron Teague Robinson
Yeah, no, I agree. I think it just means a little more. I mean, you're gonna get. I mean, this is gonna. The amount of Ohio University fans are going to be down here in Columbus for what's probably one of the bigger games that they're going to have on their schedule. Especially after he's beating West Virginia is crazy. And, and my brother is a huge Ohio State fan. He. And he played football at Kent State and I, I can't get him a shut up about the one time he played in the shoe. Like, he just loves it. I think it's, I think it's just a passion and a pride that these kids have. Even when you're at another college, just a chance you have to play in a shoe. It's just something you remember forever. Like and like, while surely Graham, the kids playing grandma on Grandma State team are going to remember that, but players at Ohio University or in random schools in the Mac or just all over Ohio are going to embrace and remember playing at Ohio State and more than they would anywhere else. So I agree. I think they should play every year. I think it should be maybe even like the same week every year. I just. That that has to be a staple for Ohio State.
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Doug Lay
And Cam just said it. Landis. I think he suggested a slogan for your Ohio Football Festival weekend. You ready for this?
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Bill Landis
Yeah.
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Doug Lay
It just means more. It just means more.
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Cameron Teague Robinson
It does.
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Doug Lay
I think that's original.
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Bill Landis
Yeah.
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Cameron Teague Robinson
Yeah. No one has that right now, so let's might as well trademark it.
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Doug Lay
Yeah, you guys are gonna make me get my sword out. All right, question number four. You're an NFL team that can take one current Ohio State receiver in the NFL, right? It's like you're just having a draft of former Ohio State receivers in the NFL. Who do you take? And if you could take Jeremiah Smith instead, would you take him? So Week 1 NFL stats for former Ohio State Buckeye receivers in the NFL, Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Nine receptions, 124 yards. Garrett Wilson, 7 for 95 and a touchdown. Marvin Harrison Jr. 5 for 71 and a touchdown. Ameka Abuca, 4 for 67 and two touchdowns for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, including the game Winner Chris Olave, 7 for 54. Terry McLaurin, 2 for 27. Did I bet Jackson Smith and Jigba to lead the NFL and receiving yards this year at 33 to 1? Yeah, I put two bucks on that. So I'm feeling pretty good about it. I just still really like what Garrett Wilson could maybe be in the NFL. And I think, like, you got the Justin Fields thing. Justin Fields played pretty well even in defeat on Sunday. I still think Garrett Wilson has a tremendous upside and he's a little bit down the road ahead of Jeremiah. I would take Garrett Wilson right now, but it's a tough question. Dan, who would you take?
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Dan Hope
Yeah, it's such a good question. There's so many good answers. I think, you know, if I'm taking a guy like right now to play right now, I'd take Terry McLaren. He was a second team all pro last season. If I'm taking a guy who's in the NFL right now, like for his whole career, I'm taking Marvin Harrison Jr. Just going back to what he did at Ohio State. I'm still a huge believer in his potential and think he will be one of the NFL's best wide receivers sooner than later. If I'm including Jeremiah Smith in the conversation and can take a guy for his whole career, I'm taking Jeremiah Smith. It sounds crazy because, I mean, if you include a Mecca Buca, who I think is maybe already Tampa Bay Buccaneers number one wide receiver, Ohio State is six number one receivers in the NFL. So it feels crazy to take a guy who's still a sophomore in college. But Jeremiah is special, man. I mean, I just think that he's going to be one of the best receivers in the NFL probably from the time he gets to the NFL in two years. So I, I'm taking the guy for his whole career. I got to take Jeremiah.
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Bill Landis
It's not that crazy.
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Cameron Teague Robinson
No, it's not. Because I, I was honestly about to say, like, if I, if I have to take a guy for the rest of his career, I'm taking Jeremiah as well. I think it's just the skill set. Everything just translates to an immediate impact guy right away. Like, he's just the size, the hands, the speed, he's smart, he knows. Knows what to do. It's just, he's just special. And I think there's a lot of teams who are just like, already planning out how they can get the number one pick into here so they can get Jeremiah Smith, I think. But if I'm taking a guy who's there right now, I'm probably taking a Mecca Buka. And so my, my wife's a huge Falcons fan. She's from Georgia. So he watched a lot of that game and he broke her heart. Although she loves a Mecca. But I, I, you listen to them talk about a Mecca and they just talk about how much he knows every position, which, as we all know, like, he's been like that for, however, for his whole career at Ohio State. But his ability to know every position, be able to run routes at every spot, just finds a way to get open. And I think he has a good setup there in Tampa. Like, they want to throw the ball a lot. He's, he's got Mike Evans, he's going to have Chris Godwin. So he's not always, he's not going to be a ton of pressure on him, at least for the first couple years. I like the way he liked the setup he's in, and I think he's in for a huge rookie year.
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Bill Landis
I would take Jeremiah. Yeah, like that. Jeremiah is my short answer. But I, I love a Mecca Buka. And he was always in a position at Ohio State where he was number two, whether it was with Marvin Harrison Jr. Or last year with Jeremiah Smith. And now that he's in the NFL, not that he was underappreciated while he was at Ohio State, but I. But I do think there's an opportunity for a Mecca to even open some eyes to, like, just how good he is. And he does everything really well. I think he'll get involved as, like, a ball carrier because he has that skill set that we saw a little bit at Ohio State. And listen, like, that guy ran, like, through the B gap against Michigan State and put a linebacker on his butt. Like, he will. He will have my sword forever for doing what he did in that game. So he was one of my favorite guys to cover at Ohio State, and I can't wait to watch what he does in the NFL.
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Doug Lay
It is always one of the craziest, often silliest conversations about, hey, could this college team do blank against an NFL team? Right. Although when I was kind of doing Browns and Ohio State stuff, I still kind of think the 2015 Ohio State team probably would have beaten the Browns because they had, like, 14 NFL guys. Right. That moment tomorrow. Cam, if Jeremiah Smith left Ohio State tomorrow and played on an NFL roster in two weeks, could he do it?
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Cameron Teague Robinson
Yes. He could be wide receiver number one for the Cleveland Browns right now. Okay. Firmly believe that. From. I. I watched that team on Sunday. They did. He'd be wide receiver number one, but he wouldn't even have to practice. Just put them on the field and put a jersey on him.
- [29:18]
Doug Lay
Wouldn't that be nice? I mean, that feels like a thing they would have done, like, in the 20s, that Jeremiah Smith would play for Ohio State on Saturday, and then they'd give him, like, a fake name and drive him up to Cleveland. It'd be like, Jethro Smithson would be, like, leading the Browns in receiving yards on Sunday, and then he just, like, come back down to Columbus for the next week, and you'd be good to go. Dan, you used to do some draft stuff back in the day. Like, I. You don't want to be a crazy person, but what would you think of Jeremiah Smith, NFL receiver, like, in eight hours from now?
- [29:50]
Dan Hope
Yeah, I. I agree with Cam. I think he'd be a wide receiver one right now. I mean, the guy's just. He's got everything you look for at that position. He's so advanced. I mean, you even just look at other freshmen around college football. I mean, you think about some of the conversation that happened this past weekend with Bryce Underwood. And yeah, it's a different position, but it's like, you know, best freshman in the history of college football. And he goes 9 of 24. I mean, freshmen are not supposed to come into college football and do the things Jeremiah Smith did last year. And I think he's only getting better. And so, yeah, I think you could go play in the NFL right now and, and be a. You know, I. Conservatively a top 30 receiver in the league.
- [30:29]
Doug Lay
Bill, before we leave that, I want to ask you. So this is just how it happens at Ohio State. But Marvin Harrison Jr. Was the best player in college football when he was at Ohio State as a junior. Joel Klatt and other people were saying stuff like that. And now Jeremiah Smith has come in behind Marv. Marv did not set the NFL on fire last year. He had a fine rookie year, but he didn't go up there and have 1500 receiving yards as a rookie. Does that tell us anything about that? Just it's grown men. There is a transition. Or even if that was true for Marvin, quarterback play comes into play. Does it not apply to Jeremiah Smith? Because he still is like a next level beyond that.
- [31:13]
Bill Landis
I think there's a lesson there. Maybe I don't know that I'd worry about Jeremiah going to the NFL and not hitting the ground running, but to your point, as high as he's going to be drafted, he's probably not going to have a tremendous quarterback or at least have a young quarterback, maybe. So you would have to take that into account. But I don't know. I. I think for some guys, for some reason, like, that adjustment takes a little bit and I think it did for Marv. If you look at other guys, like, you know, Justin Jefferson, for instance, like, it didn't really take him time to adjust. He just, he was kind of like a dude from the, from the second he showed up. So I would bet on Jeremiah being a dude the second he shows up in the NFL in two years.
- [31:47]
Dan Hope
And worth mentioning, Brian Thomas Jr. As a rookie last year was third in the league in receiving yards. So it certainly can be done.
- [31:54]
Bill Landis
It's gonna be something.
- [31:56]
Cameron Teague Robinson
I think it's the thing of where you're at too, like, and what, what your setup is like. I mean, I just not sure you people believe in Kyler as a quarterback sometimes. Like, I just don't feel like he just. Just didn't see Marv sometimes. So let's like, like Bill said, if he gets. It's an early pick and he's a place that doesn't have quarterback that's a little different than if he's at a place like. Like when. When at Cincinnati or somewhere else. I'm not saying since that's gonna be a third receiver, but somewhere with an established quarterback.
- [32:22]
Doug Lay
Yeah, no, I think that's your quarterback really matters.
- [32:26]
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- [33:44]
Doug Lay
Last question. If you found an Ohio State playbook lying on the ground in the parking lot of the Woody Hayes Athletic center, what would you do with it? I think first of all, you would be like, they print this thing out. What is. Why is there a book? It's a book. You stumble across it. Whatever it is. It's. It's a hard. It's a hard drive or it's. I don't know what they do. It's. It's in the cloud. You somehow you get the password. That app's actually stealing something that's not quite stealing, but you come across it. Ohio State Playbook, Dan Hope. What do you do?
- [34:19]
Dan Hope
Yeah, I mean, the politically correct answer would be to say that I would call Jerry Emig and immediately and let him know that I found this playbook and turn it in immediately. So Jerry, if you're. You're listening, that, that's my answer. But you know, I mean, in truth, like, am I gonna look through it? Yeah, I mean, I'm probably gonna look through it. I mean, I wouldn't want to at least know what's in there. I'm not, I'm not necessarily gonna go run and post everything on the Internet, but I'm probably going to look through it and see what's in there, I guess. But one thing I can say is I would not share the playbook with Connor Stallions.
- [34:52]
Bill Landis
He doesn't need it. He's got all the signs.
- [34:54]
Doug Lay
Right?
- [34:54]
Cameron Teague Robinson
Exactly.
- [34:56]
Doug Lay
He, he could. He would be on this. If we had invited him today, he would be on this show right now. He's doing all the media. I do not exactly. I mean, I guess putting the name in the headline, like, let lets you, like, probably get good ratings off that. But we should ask Landis. We should probably ask. Next week on the show, Adam King of ten TV Sports and Connor Stallions join us on around the Shoe. Is that where we want to go?
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Bill Landis
That's not where I want to go, so I'll, I don't.
- [35:22]
Cameron Teague Robinson
Okay.
- [35:23]
Bill Landis
Having Connor Stallions on your show is great. Maybe, like, ask him a hard question while he's on there, but for cheating like everyone else does. Yeah.
- [35:30]
Doug Lay
All right. So, Cam, what would you do?
- [35:33]
Cameron Teague Robinson
Yeah, I'm, I'm like, Dan, I like to think I turn it in, but I think for me, I think I, I, I'd look through it. I'm, I'm just so interested in everything Matt Patricia is doing. I'd look through it and then probably go to him and trade it for a copy of the Biblic Bible and then just keep that and go through all that. That's probably what I want because I, I'm like, fascinated by some of the stuff he does they've been doing on defense right now.
- [35:56]
Doug Lay
Yeah, that's good. I like the trade aspect. It's like. Found this in the parking lot. Bill, what would you do?
- [36:04]
Bill Landis
Yeah, I'd probably just give it back. The thing, the thing about it is, like, I, I don't think any of us would know what we were looking at.
- [36:09]
Doug Lay
Right.
- [36:09]
Bill Landis
Like, that lot of people wouldn't know what they were looking at. Like, I know what every, every, every man thinks. He can, like, work a barbecue girl and coach football. That's not actually true. And even me as someone, like, I, you know, we all like to watch the film and, like, dive into stuff and point out things that are interesting. But there is a limit to our knowledge of that. And if we got a playbook in our hands, we're going through it. Like, I 85 of it. I don't think we'd even understand. So what's the point of having it other than maybe knowing the name of some of the plays if they're funnier for, for some reason. So I would look through it for sure before I gave it back. I don't know how much I'd actually gleaned from it. But yeah, I don't think it'd be like some kind of like holy grail to have as you're covering the team. Because honestly, as you're thumbing through it and like trying to compare it to what you're seeing on the television screen, I don't think you'd be able to put two and two together.
- [36:55]
Doug Lay
More often than not, that ruins my answer because my answer was give it to Landis and ask him to explain it to me.
- [37:02]
Bill Landis
So, yeah, I'm not the guy. I'm not the guy.
- [37:04]
Doug Lay
Yeah, I would photocopy it to have it for myself and then give it back because I would want to it, I would want it to inform everything I'm doing. But then also I think I would give it back to Ohio State in a grandiose fashion and make myself look like a hero. So first I would keep the information for myself and then I would be like, look at me. Right? So I would be journalistic and then I would be self centered and egotistical in my approach to like, this is how honest that.
- [37:38]
Bill Landis
What a stretch. What a stretch.
- [37:42]
Doug Lay
Even though I wasn't being so. But I mean, we know they wouldn't actually have it in a playbook. So I mean, like, it's kind of a fantastical question because it's like, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna be like, oh, I'm gonna be a media outlet that's gonna like, what, like, break into like their film stuff in a cloud and like, watch practice film or something? Like, it's, it's so fantastical. It's something that would never happen. So it's just like, it'. It's a fun thought exercise here on around the Shoe. Okay.
- [38:07]
Bill Landis
If you actually found it though, like, free iPad, like, that's not bad.
- [38:10]
Cameron Teague Robinson
That is true. Oh yeah, that is true. Yeah.
- [38:12]
Doug Lay
Although they get you. You know what? My, my family, like, was doing something with the phones a couple years, like a year ago, and they got it was like, hey, take a free iPad. But then you had to pay for the Internet service on the free iPad. So, like, my iPad's in the closet costing me 12 bucks a month on Internet service. I'm not get. Cam, you're nodding. They get you, man. They get.
- [38:33]
Cameron Teague Robinson
Yeah, I, I, I had to clean that. My mom got a new phone and she got, she came home with a tablet and an Apple watch that she doesn't use. And they both are costing me like $40 extra on the bill, so. I hear you.
- [38:44]
Doug Lay
Yeah, that's how they get you. You got to clean it up every now and then. Fantastic. Second edition of around the Shoe, Dan Hope and Cameron Teague Robinson bringing it to the highest degree. Dan Hope, where can the folks find your work and what do you have popping in the coming weeks?
- [38:58]
Dan Hope
Yeah, 11warriors.com, that's E L E V E N warriors.com on X at Dan underscore hope. Yeah, you know, we're just, you know, covering the team, you know, as, as thoroughly as anybody. I think, you know, lots of stuff. I don't know that I have one specific thing to promote, but just know that, you know, we're going to have, you know, lots of content coming throughout the season as we keep rolling along with football season here.
- [39:25]
Doug Lay
I think for the, for the audience, it's, it's more like if you happen to be at a thing that is even minimally associated with Ohio State football, look over your shoulder because Dan Hope is there as well. So, like, he is comprehensive. Cam, what you got going on over there at the Athletic?
- [39:41]
Cameron Teague Robinson
Yeah, nothing specific right now. Working on a couple, a couple features hopefully for the next couple weeks. I'm just really fascinated with Caleb down, so hoping to do a bigger piece on just the, the mind that is Caleb Downs here in the next couple weeks. And then you can find me on. We supposed to call it X now or Twitter. I still call it Twitter. So I'll do Twitter @cj_, teague and then on at the Athletic. We don't write as much as Dan, but we got, we got a solid three, four days, four or five days of content on the athletics website, too. So. But yeah, just trying to keep up with the, the beast that is Ohio.
- [40:16]
Doug Lay
State football and Landis. What are we doing?
- [40:20]
Bill Landis
We're doing some stuff. I don't know. We'll figure. We'll figure it out. I wrote a rewatch. It was up on Monday on the Substack page. People can go check that out. Doug. And what is it? Bill and Doug come first. Billanddugosu.substack.com yeah, go find us over there.
- [40:33]
Doug Lay
And when we love dropping this stuff here on the YouTube channel around the shoe. We'll do it every week because this is a great, robust, interesting beat serving Ohio State fans with great coverage in a lot of different ways. Cam, thanks for being here, man. It was great to have you.
- [40:46]
Cameron Teague Robinson
Yeah. I appreciate you guys having me, for sure.
- [40:49]
Doug Lay
Mr. Hope. Enjoyable. Thank you so much for being here, brother.
- [40:53]
Dan Hope
My pleasure. Thanks for having me.
- [40:54]
Doug Lay
All right, that's it for around the shoot next week. We'll be back again. The plan is to do it every Monday here on YouTube and in the podcast feeds. For now, for Dan Hope, for Cam Teague Robinson, for Bill Landis, I'm Doug Lay. Maurice. And that was around the Shoe.