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Ohio State Around the Shoe: Buckeyes most pleasant surprises; what should QB Julian Sayin do next?
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It's more Ohio State hot topics on Around the Shoe, as the Buckeyes remain at No. 1 after moving to 4-0 with a win over Washington. This week, two great OSU podcasters join the show -- Eric Boggs from The Ohio Podcast, and Juck on Bucks.
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A
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B
Thanks so much for having me, guys. Appreciate it.
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A
And Eric, thank you for your time, brother.
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C
Oh man, this is a. My pleasure, guys. This is fantastic being with you two guys, two of my faves.
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A
We're excited to do it. Chuck, tell the folks how long you've been doing your show and. And how you got into this line of a podcasting.
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B
I started about a year and a half ago. It was. Geez, I think I. I always kind of wanted to try it out, but I mean, you guys are the first podcast I ever listened to. The Bad Podcast. Bad Podcast OG Here. And I was like, man, I would love to do that at some point. And then coincidentally, I saw Eric Boggs doing it and I was like, man, I didn't realize fans did this. And then about a year and a half ago, I said, what the heck, I'm gonna give it a shot. So I did. Here I am.
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A
So. And you just happen to have a wall of jerseys in your house? And you're like, this would be a great podcast background. I may as well.
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B
Entire basement. Look, all the walls are like this. But so over here is the SEC wall. That's the big ten wall over there, that's the Buckeye wall.
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A
Good call not to have the sc. No Sec wall in the background for this show. That's a good, good, good call by you, Eric Boggs. How long you been doing what you're doing?
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C
First off, Jack, I didn't know that, man. Thanks, dude. That's. That's. That's awesome to know, brother. Absolutely. Yeah. A lot like Jack. I used to listen to Buckeye talk long, long time ago to you two and Ari, and loved it so much, man. I was always looking forward to every week when you would produce a podcast, and then it. It grew and you guys were producing more, and I loved it, and I was just inspired to try it. And so I sat down with a microphone and sounded really bad for my first episode. Then I'm like, I need someone else to help. And so I got a friend and. And we started back in 2019 with audio only, and we moved to YouTube about three years ago because we. We saw that, the potential in that, and it's been a wild ride. But I love it. It's. It's. It's literally not only my hobby, man, it is. Is become a part of what I do every day now.
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A
Awesome. Bill. I think the real lesson that we can take away from this is, first, we're grateful to you guys for being listeners to what we've done along the way. But I think the way we inspire people is they listen to us and they watch us and they think, oh, my God, if those guys can do it, I can do it.
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D
Yes. Which I totally respect. And also, both of you guys are way ahead of where we were when we started podcasting, because our first podcast was me, Doug, and Ari in Ari's apartment talking into a cell phone. So the fact that you guys even have microphones means you're way ahead of where we were.
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A
I think the cell phone was, like, sitting on Ari's coffee table, and he had a madding game playing on his tv. And it's like, should we turn down the Madden sound? And do we have to lean in? Do we lean into the cell phone to do this thing? And now look at you guys. Thank you for being here. We're excited to have you on around the Shoe, five topics about Ohio State football, like we do every week, every Monday. Question number one. Chuck, we'll start with you. Which Ohio State football player is your most pleasant surprise of the season so far?
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B
What a season for pleasant surprises, right? I don't know if we've had one in a while that's been like this with so many of them, but my answer is Philip Daniels. Philip Daniels is A huge surprise for me from the time he was signed in the portal as the other tackle to Ethan Onyanwa, a high school football player who took the long route from Ohio to Minnesota and then finds his way back to Ohio via the Portal, which I kind of love that story, but came in as maybe somebody who, you know, maybe he's going to start at right tackle. Then it was kind of quickly. No, he's probably going to need a year to develop. And then we start hearing the huge surprises coming from Ryan Day starting off with Austin Servelde repping at left tackle, which, okay, I guess on Yanwa, I'll play right tackle. And then no, Philip Daniels is pushing for that role and then he wins the role. And he is downright nasty to the point where he was fighting teammates in practice and we heard them asking about, you know, why? Why are you getting into so many issues? And his answer was, essentially, I'm beating them so bad, they want to fight me after the play.
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A
What am I supposed to do?
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B
Which I just loved. And he's taken that onto the field. Does the warrior face paint, like, everything about this guy? He's been tremendous. Had a bit of, you know, his edge can get him in a little trouble. Had a couple of penalties here and there, including at Washington. But I love the way he plays, finishes, blocks. And he has been to me, from the point where we started with him as to, okay, who's this guy that's going to be on the team to where he is now? That's the most pleasant surprise.
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A
Listen, man like you, I don't know if you want 22 starters with an edge like that, but you need a few. And that he brought that, it's like, oh, my God, this guy's from Minnesota and he's so nasty. I thought everybody in Minnesota was nice. We know he's an Ohio kid. That's a great answer. Eric Boggs, who's your pleasant surprise on.
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C
Philip Daniels having that nasty on the offensive line? That's a good thing. Good, yeah, Obviously, Kaden Curry, we. I wanted to see him get better. I was hoping he'd get better. I didn't know he was going to be this good. Like, he's quickly making himself a name for himself. A lot of money in and around the NFL circles here with what he's been able to do and an honorable mention. How about Iggy Davis and Igmanosan so far? Knock on wood. Not too many penalties here so far, Done pretty good. Shut down. I love the story about them putting on boxing gloves on them, you know, so you keep away the oven mitts. You know the oven mitts. And now we're giving boxing gloves. Keep that aggression but hopefully he doesn't grab as many jerseys and he's done well with that. But those two guys on the defense, man, I, I was hoping but I didn't think that they would become the catalyst that they have.
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A
Yeah, that's a really good answer. I'm trying to look up Big McNoson's penalties. How many. Do we know how many penalties he has?
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C
1.
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B
Does he have one?
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D
Yeah.
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A
That's so good.
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D
Yeah, he's.
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A
Yeah, it looks like one. Pff. Says one. It like. Yeah, he's so good. Just like be grabby. Not too grabby. A little grabby. Not too grabby. Bill Landis, who's your surprise?
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D
First of all, I appreciate Juck going the O line route. I will go with, I'll say Will Smith Jr. It's a little bit off the board, but he has played the fourth most defensive tackle snaps. But I actually think he's been their second best defensive tackle these four games. Unless I'll give time on Malone credit for, I think playing better than he has in his career to this point. But I'm wondering if Will Smith's going to keep pushing. He's the backup technically to Kaden McDonald, so like he's not going to take Katie McDonald's spot. But is there a world where they can play together some? I, I think so. Those two spots are a little bit interchangeable and even more so with the way the. Matt Patricia is kind of reworking the, the fronts every week. But I think Will Smith's been excellent. Really good against the run. Like Stout. He caught my eye in practice the few times we were out there just like stonewalling offensive linemen, knocking guys down in the backfield with, with some pretty impressive tackles and, and a high level of physicality and, and he was a total unknown, I think for everybody. One, I think there were even questions when he was recruited like is this guy really an Ohio State caliber player? And then two, he got here and he was hurt and we just basically didn't see him for two years. And he gets on the field and is a pretty important part of this defense right now. And I think a guy who's got much more potential than I even realized when Ohio State signed him.
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A
I think Jack, I think Will Smith is such an interesting story because you're a legacy, right? And that can be a wonderful thing. But it also can be a very difficult Thing at times, especially with the tragic passing of his dad. And then when you do maybe have people saying like, oh man, is. Does he really deserve an Ohio State scholarship? For him to be proven, this jock is tremendous.
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B
Without a doubt. It's a great story. I am someone who was big on him when he was coming in because I love the story. And you know, Bill's right. There's a lot of people that doubted him. And I actually came to the point where entering into this season, I was not believing any of the buzz about him. I wasn't buying it. I. I just thought that he was a little bit further behind. He obviously moved from three Tech to one Tech as an undersized one Tech and all that. Just didn't sound like things were going well at three Tech. So this has stunned me and I'm right with Bill the, the number two defensive lineman right now on the interior, Will Smith Jr. And based on what we've seen out of 3Tech so far, I would love to see them two on the field at the same time.
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A
Yeah, that'd be really interesting. Also Kaden Curry, by the way, as people probably know by now, Big Ten defensive player of the week. Boggs. Come on, man. Big Ten defensive player of the week for Kaden Curry. Who would have funk that coming into the year?
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C
Yeah, tied. Tied the Big Ten or the Ohio state record for TFLs in the game? Like last night we were sitting here saying, you know what, what game do you compare that to? Jtt? Penn State?
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D
I mean, I think it's up there. Yeah, it's.
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C
It's up there with that Jack Sawyer, Texas. I mean, you know, that was obviously a greater play. That play goes down in history is one of the greatest of all time. But as far as defensive line performances, defensive performances from a defensive lineman, man, it's up there, man. That was a heck of a performance.
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D
Yeah, Chase Young against Wisconsin in 2019. The regular season game. Yeah, yeah.
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A
I mean after that Chase Young performance, I was like ready to give him the Heisman Trophy. So like that's what we're talking, we're talking about, but we're talking about like all time Ohio State performances. And it's like that's the kind of the game that Kaden Curry had last week. I'm going to go with somebody again that Jack, sort of what you were saying, it's not just about the year. It's sort of like trying to think about where the guy came from maybe the entire offseason. I'm gonna go with Austin Seraveld at left tackle because he's just a certainty. And I'm just looking at the PFF numbers. All the tackles in the Big Ten who have played at least a minimum number of snaps. Austin Seraveld is the only Big Ten tackle who has not given up a pressure the entire year like he, he went from. Again, like we think this guy from Rice, we think Ethanol was going to be the left tackle. Okay, maybe it's not. Well, Aust Seal played in size and he, he won the left tackle job, Bill. And then he won it and now I'm, I'm not working. You almost. It's like, oh yeah, no left tackle Austin Serbel. Like nobody. You don't even have to think about that because that guy does his job every snap, which again in March, like nobody would have predicted. So that continues to be a surprise for me.
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D
Yeah. And also it's not just that this year proposition. Right. Like, right for at least two and maybe three. Three more years. Like, like what a security that would be to have your left tackle just sort of locked down for the next three years.
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A
I mean, as opposed to this off season Bogs, where it's like, oh, left tackle. What do they need to do? They need to go find some guy who started 30 games at Rice and pay him nil money because they were so uncertain. It reminds me a little bit of Thayer Munford that all of a sudden there's an Ohio kid who kind of just emerges and maybe has a chance to become a lockdown, like no doubt about it, tackle for multiple years, which is just a huge thing for a roster.
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C
He isn't he the quintessential Ohio kid. Goes to Ohio State, slightly balding, becomes the offensive lineman and everybody loves them. Like yeah, this, it's, it's the, it's the what we all as, as Ohio State fans clamor for. Give me that three star, four star kid from Ohio who's. It's bred in him to be a Buckeye and don't go chasing somebody who's got a name, who's not going to understand the rivalry, not going to understand what it means to be from Ohio. This kid, bring him in, give him the opportunity every now and then you're going to strike gold. That's what we're seeing right now from Austin Sparvell.
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A
Yeah. So. And, and Jack, the idea that you sort of set it off the top. Pleasant surprises. It. For instance, maybe even last year. Ohio State won the national championship last year. I don't know, like how many Surprises there were. Right. Maybe Will Howard to something. But this kind of thing, when there's a roster turnover like this.
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B
Right.
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A
There can be a real new kind of excitement that comes with. Because as you said, there's a bunch of other guys we haven't mentioned yet who you could mention.
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B
Absolutely. I mean, I would say that the guys that we haven't mentioned are guys that most people would mention right off the top of their heads. But I was going through yesterday on the number of pleasant surprises versus the number of. Yeah, this isn't working out quite like we thought. And it's like three to one. So we're sitting really well in that department.
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A
Yeah, that's a good surprise ratio. Three to one on the surprise ratio.
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C
All right.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Question number two. It's a fill in the blank. Eric, we'll start with you. Fill in the blank. I would like Julian saying to what? And now we'll play the match game music and like you gotta fill in the blank. And now you have to match it to a mediocre celebrity. Eric Boggs, Julian sand, you'd like him to what?
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C
This is going to be such a non answer answer. Continue doing what he's doing.
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D
It's the right. It's the right answer.
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C
Thank you. Thank you, Bill. Trust the process, right? Trust the process. I have so much faith in Ryan Day and his development of quarterbacks. And even though there's been a lot of, especially during the games, we might get into that here in a little bit of. Let the, let get the handcuffs. Handcuffs off. Let them cook. You know, I think Ryan Day is doing this so intelligently with him and bringing him along in such a way that at this point, young man, just keep doing what you're doing, keep trusting what they're giving you. They're gonna feed him a little more, a little more. And I hopeful fingers crossed by the end of the year he's playing at a level, an elite level that's going to just take this offense to a different level when we need it to. But with this defense, man, it kind of feels a little bit like trestle ball a little bit. And in that instance, it's like if we can bring him along to the point where he's at, to where he can run Ryan Day's offense efficiently in a big game, man, where we can score enough points if we have to with this defense, guys, I'm starting to believe, man, first time ever in Ohio State history.
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A
Oh, he went there. Bill Boggs took us there. Bogus took us to the repeat conversation yeah. Is that actually, that also would be an acceptable fill in the blank. I would like Julian saying, to lead Ohio State, second national championship in a row.
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C
Right.
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A
Bill Landis, how you filling in this blank?
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D
Yeah, I actually have written down on my notebook here, just like, keep doing what he's doing, but for the sake of, for the sake of, of a different answer. I, I don't actually know the right way to say this. I would say, like, let his personality out a little more maybe. Like, I, I understand why as a young quarterback, he doesn't want to. And I don't know, I, I want to go back actually and see if television caught this, but I was watching the, the, the end zone or the reverse shot of the pass that he threw on the sideline to Max Claire where he like kind of leaked to his left and just like threw it on the sideline. And then after he completed the pass, he like did this little skip thing and then he like, pumped his fist and I was just like, yeah, do more of that, man. Like, let your hair, let your hair down some. Right? Like, I think he's, he's got, I don't want to say moxie. Moxie is not, is not the word I want to use, but it's unfortunately.
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A
The only one that's called a moxie track.
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D
It's the only word that comes to mind. But I just, I think he's got a little like, fire to him.
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A
A little.
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D
I talked to his quarterback trainer before the season started, like after he was named the starter. And a word that his trainer used a lot was like, playful. Like he, like, this is a guy that has a lot of fun playing quarterback. And Ohio State is like a very buttoned up place. It's a very professional place. I understand, you know, you have to like, pick and choose your spots to do that, but I think there is more there personality wise. It might even like, endear him to the fan base, but that's not even really what I'm concerned with. I just think, like, if you, if you sort of like be who you are and let that come out on the field, then your play takes the next step too. So he's been great. He's the most accurate quarterback, I think, in the country. His adjusted completion percentage is the highest in the country and he hasn't thrown it down the field a lot, but when he does, he completes all of them. So I don't really have any concerns with how he's played. I just think, like, kind of like keep growing into yourself and growing into that confidence and the sky's the limit for him.
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A
Yeah, mine's more of a personality thing. I was going to say, I would like Julian saying to do the money sign after he throws a touchdown.
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D
Yes.
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A
We were the show last week, we said like pick a nickname for Julian sand and maybe Julian football. Does Julian football work? Can we like Johnny Manziel? Everyone's making a big deal. Johnny Manziel is going to be on the Vanderbilt sideline for the Vanderbilt Alabama game. I don't care. Like Johnny, Johnny Manziel is more than a decade old. It was fun while it lasted, but maybe like we're so desperate for that, we're going to the old guys. Let's Julian saying right now his Heisman odds, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. He's seventh in the Heisman odds at 16 to 1. And part of is because I don't, I don't think like people know what to grab on to. So whether, I mean he can skip, he can do something, I don't know, like maybe he just maybe make up his own like thing that he does isn't make up something with your own hands. I don't know what he can. He could raise the roof. Would that be good?
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D
He is, he's, he's continuing to lean in. He's continuing to lean into the Maroon 5 thing. So maybe there's some, maybe there's something there. Yeah. I don't know.
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A
Can you do like a, like a Mick Jagger? He's got moves like Jagger, you know. Chuck, Chuck, I probably has a football answer here rather than like we would like him to wear face paint or whatever on the field. Like what Jock? I would like Julian saying to blank.
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B
I am with you guys when, when it comes to the personality, like even his answers are just, I mean they're perfect, perfectly scripted canned responses that you would expect him to say. There is nothing off topic. He won't give you an inch. I mean not even an inch. But to, to Bill's point, when he hit Carnell Tate on the side on that, on that really good looking pass where he kind of pumped, right? And then rolled back and hit him and Carnot made that great catch, he immediately like pointed to him and it was like, okay, I like seeing this and I'd love to see more of that. Love to hear a little more of that as well from him in the interview. But my answer is a little bit not quite on topic to him. More like because he needs permission for it. Right. And we know that Ryan Day doesn't always like to give permission about this, but I want to see him continue to use those wheels. He is a good athlete. I think he's the athlete that a lot of people tried to assign to Devin Brown. Like, he's that type of athlete. Oh, that's. And it adds a. It adds a whole another element to the Ohio State offense. When we look at what the defense has had to prepare for all four weeks, it's been a quarterback to varying degrees, who can move, and I think Julian can. I thought it was really encouraging what we saw against Washington. The 16 yard run that was just a tick short. He got the edge on that guy. He got the angle on him. And that French shot of him running was like, man, this dude can move. But down by the goal line is where I want to really see it the most. I think it's almost necessary for this offense to at least give him a couple reps doing that. And I would certainly love to see it. But again, this is as much a Ryan Day thing as it is a Julian thing. I think he's a very willing runner, but that is my answer.
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C
So what Chuck's saying here is instead of moves like Jagger is it moves like Julian?
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D
Oh, there you go.
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B
There we go.
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C
We could.
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A
They should get the Ohio State video team, like, always does a great job. They should get. What's the guy's name? Adam Levine. They've got to get Adam Levine on the video board. Doing a thing for Julian Sand.
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C
Right?
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A
I mean, does Maroon. Does anyone care about Maroon 5 anymore? Has he single handedly brought back Maroon 5? Get him on the board. Get him ringing the victory. Can you imagine if Adam Levine rang the victory bell?
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B
That's an idea, Doug. That's a solid one.
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A
And now, oh, Penn State visits Columbus. Adam Levine ringing the victory bell for this top 10 showdown.
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D
And he'd be like, he could be the guest picker on game day. Yeah. Bryce Harper was. He has no affiliation with Ohio State other than through.
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B
Isn't that strange? Man, that is so strange.
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A
If you called Adam Levine right now, like, do you want to come to Columbus? He'd be like, I'll be there in five minutes.
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D
What do you do?
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A
Like, what do you need from me? Right. All right, the next question. Bill Landis, what's the one word or phrase you would use to describe your feelings watching Ohio State during the first 26 minutes against Washington Saturday when they were trailing three to nothing? And I kind of. I kind of know maybe where you're heading on this because you were sitting next to me. As we did a live watch along. And I was like, oh, my God, what are they doing? And you were like, it's fine, Doug. And you were like, why do I have to be here with this person while he's freaking out?
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D
Yeah, I think, like, one word, be like calm. A phrase would just be like, I, I've seen this movie before. Like, I, I, I understand how this is going to go. As much as a team can be in control of a game that it's losing three nothing. Ohio State was right. So I didn't, I didn't see anything there that was alarming. I thought the defense had a good feel for things and I knew what the offense was doing. It wasn't, wasn't aesthetically pleasing. It wasn't all that fun to watch. But, like, I, I understood the approach. I wasn't assuming that approach coming in necessarily. I thought after the Texas game we wouldn't see that again. But, you know, in hindsight, Julian Saints first road start. I, I guess I get why they did it. I, I know, I hope we never see it again after this point, but that was quintessential. We got it. We're going to come out in the second half and take this game over. We're going to go win the middle eight. We're going to be fine. We're better than this team. We know it. So I, there was no freak out for me watching the, the first quarter and a half of that game.
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A
Okay. My phrase would be it's fine. No, it's not fine. Why are they doing this? It's fine. No, it's not fine. No, it's going to be fine. Why are they doing this? Why aren't they throwing it more? No, it's fine. No, Bill's getting mad at me now. No, it's fine. I'm sure it's fine. Are we, Is it going to be fine? It's fine. And also we were in the chat with our Substack subscribers who were also doing much more of that. There wasn't like a lot of Bill Landis calm whenever you guys interact and, and everybody does now, like with Ohio State fans during a game when Ohio State's not winning 20 to nothing in the first five minutes. There is just a little tinge of like, fire everybody. So there, like, that was happening a little bit, Landis, and I was, I was feeding into it a little bit in a way that made you want to get out of my basement.
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D
Well, I understood it when the, when the fumbled punt return happened, I was like, okay, Everyone can. Everyone can let it loose a little bit. I get it. I understand. Yeah, that's. That was something different. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. All right. So, Chuck, what was your phrase or word to describe what you were thinking?
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B
Yeah, I was also streaming live during the game, guys, and. And I was. The. The reaction of most of the folks in the chat was kind of pushing me towards Bill's stance, but if I was to put it in one word, it would be befuddled. I was befuddled for several reasons, going back to immediately following the Texas game when Ryan Day said afterwards with a look on his face of real surprise, that we probably could have put more on his plate. And it felt like they went about the Washington game the exact same way in. In that first two series for sure, with like 10 runs out of the first 13 plays against a banged up defense that I watched Zebie Eckhouse kind of pick apart for quite a bit of the game against Wazoo in the Apple Cup. Additionally, another punt return blunder, unfortunately for Brandon Innis, who's been unjustly attacked for a couple of weeks here, which I hated seeing, Finally a sweet punt return. 28 yards. He's got two arms wrapped around the ball, and somehow it comes out befuddled by that. Befuddled by the realization that Ohio State was only going to have three possessions in the entire half. And that was just like, am I counting this wrong, guys? I'm talking to the chat. And sometimes I get off on the stats. Is this the third possession? I couldn't believe it. And finally continuing to go to CJ Donaldson and got to have it short yard situations when he has shown us now, several games in a row, that despite his size, he is not good at that task. He's not. He talked about it after the game, continually needing to work on getting his pad level lower. Buddy, you've been playing college football for three years. If you don't got that down by now at £230, it's not coming.
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A
But that's a lot of befuddling. There were multiple juck befuddlings taking place during that first quarter and a half. Eric, what was your word or phrase?
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C
Strangely calm.
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A
Oh, look at you. Yeah, guys, just being calm.
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C
Bill and I are like. Bill and I are on the same wave. So. No, like, in fact, I was so calm that I actually was like, you know, I think we're gonna go get my sweater vest because I think we got them right where we want them here. I think this is. This is amazing. No, it was, you know, you know, a lot of people during the games will overreact and. And we're all guilty of it. As Ohio State fans, we. We wear our emotions on our sleeves and. And, you know, we're wanting to fire everybody, but I just continue to think I'm watching this game and my concerns going into this game, the defense was squashing them. And I'm like, offense gonna figure this out. They're gonna figure this out. They're gonna be fine. And when it's all said and done, that's exactly what happened. They were the better team. They figured it out. Julian hit Jeremiah for seven. They won that middle eight like you mentioned, Doug. And I mean, at that point, 14:3. Game over, right?
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A
Yeah. No, I mean, like, yeah, we weren't. I don't think any of us were spending a lot of time talking about the Washington defense going into that game, especially when once Takario Davis was out and, you know, it was like that was. It was a concern about the Washington offense and they were holding out a Washington offense down. All right, so the last two questions are going to be a little bit more about sort of coverage of the team, and we'd like to touch on that as we have the various people from around the media joining us here. So I'm going to start with this. It's really more for Chuck and Eric, but for you guys as Ohio State fans, what did you think of coverage of the Buckeyes before you started your podcast? So back when you were consumers of Ohio State media, but not participating in it, And I'll just say from. I. I think this can still be true. I think it's less true than it used to be. But my perspective on it to some degree is I'm not sure if it was. The general coverage was connected enough to the fans that I think sometimes, especially, you know, when I started doing this 20 years ago, and the way, like, you know, media would work is there was maybe sometimes a distance between the coverage and the fan base, and I think that certainly is less so now. But anyway, it's more about what you guys think. Chuck, when you were just consuming Ohio State media, what did you think of it?
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B
Well, I. I suppose what I liked was there's a plethora of options. Right. We've got a ton of things to choose from and what I've always enjoyed about. So, you know, two of you guys not from Ohio didn't grow up Buckeye fans, but you come at it in a way and. And state it, you know, in a way to what do you, as Buckeye fans, think about this, and you try to deliver the coverage in that way. I don't feel like that is prevalent amongst the coverage. At least before when I started. I, I feel like there is, you know, some outfits or some, some folks who consistently, it just always, you know, they're gonna say what they want to say, generally with a bit of a, a tinge of, I know more than you, because I'm around this team, whether or not they know football at all. I mean, it just, There was a lot of it I didn't like, to be quite honest. It's, it's kind of why I got into it.
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A
Eric, what do you think?
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C
Yeah, I, I, I echo what Chuck says a little bit there. I, I became very selective in who I listened and watched and read. I'm an old newspaper guy. I actually started at Ohio State and journalism school a long time ago and quickly realized I needed to go to business if I was going to make a living. Newspapers obviously went by the wayside. I had no idea that this medium that we are on today was ever going to exist and what it would do. And it definitely has helped to scratch that itch in my life that I had from the time I was a teenager. But that being said, yeah, I'm very selective now. And the, and the more you dive into this arena, the more you learn and hear and see, I've become even more selective. And so I, I'm very careful who I watch and what I listen to, because if you're not careful, you just start consuming all of it. And it's almost like it takes away a little bit of the joy of what being a fan's all about, if that makes Interesting.
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A
Interesting.
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C
And I, I constantly try to remind people, you know, enjoy the journey because that's what, that's. You only get 12 of these things in the regular season. If you're high state, you might get lucky and get 15, 16, but it's here and gone so fast and, and make sure that in order to enjoy that, you're putting people and reading things and watching things that you thoroughly actually enjoy.
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A
Yeah, that's a, that's a very good point. Sports is supposed to be fun, right? So I do think that I, none of us who do this should need a reminder of that, but I, I think maybe some of us, me included, sometimes you do need a reminder that, right? I mean, it's sports, man. Come on, Landis, what, what's your view on. And you, Bill, you could, I mean, like, you know, when you started Doing it right. I don't know.
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C
Just.
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A
What did you think of the coverage of Ohio State? What do you think now?
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D
I was shocked by the robust nature of the Ohio State beat when I first got here. Could not fathom that many people covering one team and there being enough people in a fan base to possibly support all of them. But it turns out that there are because his fan base is ridiculously passionate and also gigantic coast to coast. So that was very eye opening to me. And then, like, you know, as Juck said, as someone who didn't grow up in Ohio or grew up in Ohio State, fan, I did see that a little bit as like an opportunity to try to carve out a different lane because I'm not going to pretend to be one. Like, I, yeah, people would see, see through that immediately. Right. And probably would hate me if I tried to pretend all of a sudden that I was some huge Buckeye fan who grew up in Philadelphia. So I, I didn't try to pursue that and just try to like, you.
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A
Know.
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D
Probably like a more sober look at things at times. I think the thing that's most important though, and I, I have gotten better at this the last couple of years. Doug, I think you've, you've always been pretty good at this. Like, not, not ignoring the fan base, right? Like, there is a lot of sports media just generally that is totally dismissive of, like, fan passion and even like, knowledge. Like, like, I, I, you guys know Ohio State better than I do. Like, I, I, I'm secure enough to admit that I don't, I don't care about that. That's great. It is our job to listen to the fan base and what, what they want to know about their team. Like, I think there's a fine line there between using that passion to inform how you cover a team and simply telling people what it is you think they want to hear. Like, I don't want to do that necessarily, but I do think, like, there are a lot of really smart Ohio State fans out there who do an excellent job, whether it's like you guys who have their own podcast or even if it's just on social media articulating what they think and feel about this team. And I read that stuff all the time and it, like, it greatly informs what I choose to write about and, and how I choose to cover the team. So I feel like the what, I don't even know how you would separate it, like, the traditional media and the fan media. I guess it's all kind of one thing for me.
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A
And.
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D
And I think it all kind of supports each other. And I. I think especially like the. The fan side of it, I do think is necessary to like, kind of balance out some of what you get from traditional media.
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A
I. I do think it's been certainly an evolution for me. I think it's. I certainly believe I started out talking at fans and now you have to be talking with fans. Right? And Chuck, you were signed at. You were. You sort of said at this top, like, the idea of like, okay, on the inside. Let me tell you guys what the real deal is. Like, you do want to shoot straight with fans, but I think to try to like, anymore, like, especially like to try to do it from above is not. Is not good for the media and it's not in service of the fans. Right.
- [34:55]
B
I want to tell you something else, Doug, that bothers me. Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, if you.
- [34:58]
D
No, no, baby, let her rip.
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B
The thing I think that bothered me the most always was telling fans how they are supposed to feel, how they should feel about a certain situation and when they're wrong, instead of making their case for why they're wrong. Right. Why you feel they're wrong. Make your case. Put your argument out there and say, I think you guys are being irrational. Here's my case. Right. But the brow beating that you're the idiots or the lunatic fringe because you feel a certain way. You do when you are the folks that consume all the. Like, who's watching the YouTube shows and consuming the podcast. The crazies, the nut jobs. Right? Like the people who are all. All in. And there's a lot of us who are logical. There's a lot of us who aren't, but we are the.002% of the fan base that suck all this stuff in at this rate. And to point the finger at a lot of those folks and say, like, you're stupid. Because if you think Ryan Day loses against Tennessee, you want him to be on the hot seat or you want him fired. Like, I saw a whole lot of that, like, right? And I can just kind of go back to that time period. Like, I wasn't for that. I didn't want Ryan Day fired. But man, I talked to a lot of Buckeye fans and there was a lot that were saying, if you lose this Tennessee game, as much as I've supported him all this time, I just can't anymore, Chuck. I can't do it anymore. And that to me was a very logical take. I don't think it was illogical at all. But you heard from a whole lot of people that if you had that opinion, you were the lunatic fringe and you were the crazies. And that's just one example of what I think is a big attitude of telling fans how they should feel and how should, how they should think. And that has always bothered me and I. It probably always will because it's never going to change. But that's something that I can relate to, to the topic here.
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A
I, I do think, I think we've, I've certainly tried at times to be like a guide to, like, I know you're upset, but actually maybe let's talk about, like, why you shouldn't be quite as mad and add some context and allow you to still enjoy your team. I've probably been, I've probably browbeaten fans at times in my career. I certainly feel like when you're not, when you're more connected to the fans, you understand them better. We've had a lot of things, Bill, that you and I have done, whether it's texting or you start doing videos and like, you just feel more connected to the fan base. But I do think, Chuck, one of your points is it is very frustrating. And Eric, I'd be curious for you on this. I think it is very frustrating for pan for fans when your passion is viewed as a negative instead of a positive. And Jack, I think that can come out from media a lot.
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C
100. Are you asking me? You want, you want Jeff, you.
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A
Eric, you'll go ahead. Go ahead.
- [37:50]
C
Okay. Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's. Look, I mean, this is my office. This is my. I've got. This isn't even my buckeye basement, man.
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A
Like, this is the low key.
- [38:01]
C
Yeah. This is passion, right? Like, I mean, fan. Short for what? Fanatic? I mean, and one of the things that I think is lost on major media companies, traditional media, is community. And one of the things I love about what Chuck and I and what you guys do is we create community. We create a place where people can come and sit down and this is lost in our society in general and, and, and, and have debate, have conversation. One of the things I love to do when someone says something that I don't necessarily agree with is I'll ask. I hear you. Why do you feel that way? Maybe there's something that that person thinks or understands about the specific topic that we're talking about that I haven't seen that I can expound upon my understanding of it to get a better perspective of things. And that doesn't happen if you don't have open discourses and the ability to communicate with each other. And sometimes it can lead to anger and a lot of other things, too, that you see on social media. But it. It has to happen. It needs to happen in order to have, I think, a healthy understanding as. As a fan. And so that, to me, is a big thing, is. Is the creation of community. And that's why it's really, really important to get connected. And what it doesn't necessarily even have to be. Ohio State could be anything but in this specific example with Ohio State. And so if you're constantly being told, well, this is how you think and this is the way it's going to be, and I'm sorry, I'm out, right? Like, give me the opportunity to feel and think the way I want to. To me, that's important.
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A
So this last question is. Is connected to what we were just talking about? Chuck, we'll start with you. What do you think coverage from the fan perspective brings to the experience for other fans? And, I mean, I'm just. I'm super intrigued. Just like the response as you guys started doing what you were doing, the kind of feedback that you were immediately getting from fans who were consuming your content. Chuck, start. We'll start with you.
- [40:20]
B
I think that it was always important for me to not be like, there is a. There's a lot of people who are our Ohio State fans, fans of any team that they like, they just tune in because they want to essentially hear a cheerleader session about their program and feel good. Right? And that is not what I wanted to be any part of. Like, I have a lot of critical thoughts. I think it is just boring to cheerlead. So from that perspective, I think there was a lot of people that got turned off, by the way. Like, they don't want to, you know, they don't want to hear that from another fan. They don't want to hear that, I think Penn State might be better than Ohio State this year. Like, they don't want to hear that kind of stuff. They just want to hear homerism. So definitely that turned a lot of people off, but I think that it cemented a whole lot of people who thought, okay, this is great. We can hear real sports talk from somebody who has the same kind of passion that I have. And to that, I think it connected with a lot of people. And I think the show, you know, has done a pretty good job because of that.
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A
Eric, what do you think of people who have the. The Inherent passion of fan. When you have a platform, then what does that do for other fans?
- [41:27]
C
Oh man, it connects them to people. It connects them to each other. I now know people and, and have been, have great friendships with people I never would have had if it wasn't for this platform. And to me, you can't put a price tag on that, man. Literally people will contact me, text me now, call me if they have my number, or email me with personal things in their life because they, they trust you as a friend beyond just talking about Buckeyes. And to me that's invaluable in my life personally. And so to piggyback off what I said before, it's the community aspect of things that I love the most about it.
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A
Yeah, Bill, you have anything to add here? From, what do you think fans get from, from these guys?
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D
No, I probably echoed a lot of, a lot of what Chuck and Eric said. I think this sense of community is important. I think having the avenue of going to whatever fan produced media, however you want to call it is, is a nice thing for a high stage fans to have. I, I don't know how much it exists in other places. I frankly I don't pay attention to it. So I don't want to pretend like Ohio State is the only team that, that has this, but I can't imagine there are many teams, professional or otherwise, that have as many people who care enough about this team to want to share their thoughts, whether it's on YouTube or audio or writing your own blog or whatever. But there's a lot of it for Ohio State and a lot of it frankly is very good. And I, I appreciate it too. Like as I said earlier, because I do, I think it helps make me better at my job.
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A
Right.
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D
I just like, like I'll go listen to your guys's show and it's fans talking to fans and it helps me understand what's important to them. So I'm, I'm very appreciative of the fact that Ohio State has such a robust kind of fan produce coverage around it.
- [43:19]
A
I will say again, like it's been a learning experience for me over two decades of this. I do think there's value in when something happens at Ohio State and I think sometimes the greatest value is when something goes wrong right? In that fans are mad, right? The, the audience is, is mad, they're upset. They feel in their heart, they feel it in their soul, they feel it in their gut. And then to not feel that right, like why don't feel that like you know, a guy and, and you can maybe. I always thought you could be a little bit of a clear eyed representative of like in a moment when you're almost so mad you can't see straight. I understand why. Let me try to cut through it, because I'm not feeling those same emotions. Sometimes it's hard when you're emotional. But I think I've realized over the years, sometimes when it's like people are emotional about this, and if you're too straightforward and too down the line, that's not serving anything either. And so I think to have traditional media and what is traditional media anymore? But, but people like us, Bill, who have an understanding of that, but then people who do have the passion. It doesn't mean that you agree with everything, Jack, as you were saying, but that you can come at it that you, if you feel something, when something happens to Ohio State, whereas maybe I don't feel that in the same way in my gut and my heart and in my soul. And then you can bring that conversation to people like you guys can do. That's a different thing. And I think there's the bottom line. And Jack. And we'll, we'll, we'll leave with you. I want you two to comment on this. I think in the end, this is such a robust beat, as Bill, you were saying. But I think it is best served by having people from different perspectives and different experiences. And then fans are able to choose, do I want somebody who sees it this way or somebody who maybe sees it this way. They're all honest, they're all smart, they're all straight shooters. But I do think your perspective matters. And Chuck, I think in the end, what you guys have done just provides more outlets for people that they didn't have. I can remember when eleven warriors started and it was like, what is this? It's gonna be like a fan blog. Like, I don't know, what's this thing gonna be? And like, you think about what eleven warriors is now. And at the beginning I was like, whatever. Fans are doing a blog, it's like, no, Doug, that is not what this is. This is much more sophisticated than that. I think it's good for Ohio State fans. Chuck, what do you think it is?
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B
Tremendous. I mean, I can't. So as someone who is just, you know, a Buckeye fan to the core, like, I've been following every single YouTube channel, website, Twitter account for years and years and years, and I, you know, I got a pretty good read on exactly what every person on this beat or Every fan like Eric, like, where everybody comes from. It's wildly entertaining. I love it so much. And I. I talk to other fan bases at times, like when we, you know, face a face. When the Buckeyes are facing another team, I'll talk to a podcaster from there. Maybe we'll hook up and do a show, and I'll kind of peel through what they have available to them, and it's usually like an eighth of the size, an eighth of the options, and it's just so, like, man, I just think, like, that would be. Feels so bleak to me. It also gives an outsized voice to just a couple of people, and that can't. That's not always good either. So I. I love it. I think it's. I think it's great. I wouldn't want it any other way.
- [46:41]
A
What do you think it does for fans, Eric?
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C
So Jock and I, we're very similar people, and so I love to interact with the other. A podcaster of another team and do a preview show. And I got so frustrated with the fact that I couldn't find them that I just decided to start the College huddle. And so two years ago, I started the College Huddle, where 86 independent college football podcasts from coast to coast. I found a Ball State podcast. It's like, hey, buddy, come join us. And so that's one of the things I love doing. But when you go and you look for those things, you might find one, maybe two at the most. Ohio State is spoiled. We are spoiled. And you know what? I'm not going to apologize for it at all. You know, why apologize for, you know, what you've been blessed with here? So, yeah, yeah, it's great. I love it. And I absolutely agree 100 with Chuck on this one, man. It's. It's so entertaining. Like, every. You just never know if you click on something, what you're gonna hear, see, and feel, you know, from someone else or. Or even from my. Even my own co host. Sometimes I'm like, wait, what? What'd you just say? Yeah, so it's awesome.
- [48:06]
A
That's what Bill's life is like, too. He's like, what? All right, Eric Boggs from the Ohio Podcast. If people want to listen, they want to find you. Where can they do that? When. When can they listen and watch you?
- [48:18]
C
Oh, anywhere you download your audio from. You can find us there. YouTube, the Ohio podcast, or our website, dohiopodcast.com and how often are you going? We. I've got six co hosts now, so it's like, turned into twice a day. And I mean, it's just. There's something every day now, man.
- [48:40]
A
You just hit the button, like, on August 30th, and you're just doing shows 24 hours a day until the end of the season. Yeah.
- [48:47]
C
I mean, okay, that's good. Just every day.
- [48:50]
A
Every day. And Chuck, on Bucks, where can the folks find you and. And how often are you doing it?
- [48:56]
B
So I'm with Buckeye Huddle.com now, writing and. And covering the team over there, recruiting as well. And I go every Monday and Wednesday at 8pm live on the Buckeye Huddle channel. You can also catch me probably three times a week. I put out a video over at on the Juck on Bucks channel where I started.
- [49:13]
A
Right. God, Landis, these guys do a ton of stuff, man. Holy moly. Yeah. Yeah, I know. All right, Landis, this. We should knock out another three or four videos when this thing's done. Try to catch up. All right, Eric, thank you so much for your time. Chuck, thank you so much for your time. Best of luck to you guys in your endeavors. You guys do a great job, and it's obviously great service to the Ohio State audience. Thanks to you guys for being part of it. We do it every Monday here on around the Shoe, on the Bill and Doug Show. Next week, we'll have two more special guests. For now, for Chuck, for Eric, for Bill, I'm Doug. And that was around the Shoe on the Bill and Doug Show.