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Ohio State basketball loses to TCU: NCAA Tournament reaction to Jake Diebler and Buckeyes' defeat
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Ohio State lost to TCU 66-64 in the first round of the NCAA Tournament on Thursday, and Bill Landis was in Greenville, S.C., to take it all in. On this episode of The Bill and Doug Show, Doug Lesmerises joins Bill to discuss the Buckeyes' slow start, their second-half comeback, what went wrong in the last minute, the lack of bench scoring, hope for the future and how Diebler should be evaluated after his first NCAA Tournament game as a head coach.
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Bill Landis
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Doug Lamori
I think the, the vibes were like a mix of I, I think pride in the way they battled back, which I don't, I don't think is unwarranted, but I, I think primarily frustration with how they played in the first half, which put them in the position to battle back. They had to exhaust, I think, a lot of energy to battle back in that game and take the lead in the second half. And then I, you know, ultimately in the end probably didn't quite have enough gas to do it. They went pretty cold shooting at the end of the second half again. So yeah, I, you know, I, a lot of the guys, so I talked with, we talked with Jake Die, but obviously I talked with Bruce Thornton, Mari Bynum, Devin Royal. They all kind of said the same thing, right? Like, they, they. There's a brand of Ohio State basketball that they think represents who they are and felt like they more or less played that in the second half, but weren't anything close to that in the first half. And as I said to people in our sub stack chat, like, I don't think you can defend for 16 minutes and expect to win an NCAA, NCAA tournament game. And I think, like, for me, it kind of boils down to like, both these teams were a bit streaky on both ends of the floor. But yeah, TCU defended really well for like 30 minutes and Ohio State defended pretty well for, for about half of that. And it ends up being a tight game and Ohio State ends up not having enough in the end to, to win it. And I had a really, in my opinion, bad defensive possession to give up the go ahead bucket before they had that last second Bruce Thornton shot that didn't go in that would have won the game. So, yeah, they weren't, they weren't like sobbing, crying or anything like that. I think there was appreciation for what they did to get here, but. But also, you know, a lot of frustration that they let it get as lopsided as it did in the first half.
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Bill Landis
We're recording this at 3:45 Eastern as Duke and Sienna are playing. I know there are a lot of thoughts in our chat during the game of like, well, whatever happens, neither of these teams is beating Duke. And it's like, I know. Is the winner of Ohio State, TCU gonna play Duke?
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Doug Lamori
Yeah, there are a lot. I, I have managed to find a quiet room here, by the way, but there are a lot of Carolina fans here because Carolina plays in the second pool. So, like, we're doing interviews and I'm hearing that the place is rocking. So, like, oh, Duke must be up by a million. And then I look at the scores like, no, it's Carolina fans cheering because Sienna is up by 10.
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Bill Landis
Are you coming home? Are you, Stan?
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Doug Lamori
Yeah, we're coming home tomorrow. Yeah. As far as I know. Yeah, I'm not planning on staying. Save the money.
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Bill Landis
You don't want to stay two extra days and just absorb the enthusiasm in South Carolina for Ohio State basketball. It'd just be you interviewing Tissue Times over there.
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Doug Lamori
I did Tissue. I did talk to Tissue before the game. He was here with his, with his South Carolina Duncan crew, whatever that. Whatever they're called. Yeah, but they're actually, he said to me before the game, everyone in South Carolina is from Ohio. So there was a Decent amount of Ohio State fans.
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Bill Landis
Okay. Yeah, like that balance, like were there more as the game was going on as Ohio State's making that run in the second half to take a five point lead at 55:50. I was just looking at one of the things, one of the things. I hate it. I think it's stupid. We're old the win probability like metric chart or whatever. Just as a point of reference, the one on ESPN when Ohio State went up 5550 with about six minutes left to gave him an 85 chance to win. So like when Ohio State's coming back that you did feel it like you could hear the Ohio State fans.
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Doug Lamori
Definitely heard the Ohio State fans. And then when, when TCU kind of stifled the rally and got back into it, like there were, there were. There were TCU fans behind the TCU bench, but that was kind of it. So it was always louder for Ohio State and it was, it was an Ohio State crowd that was sort of like begging for a reason to get back into the game. And they were given one in the second half and yeah, they're pretty loud there down the stretch.
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Bill Landis
So High State goes 2 from 11 on 3 in the first half and that actually that's 1 for 10 after Bruce Thornton drained the 3 for the first points of the game. They get down 15, they just look completely discombobulated. They look overwhelmed. TCU looks like they're playing the way TCU wants to play. Ohio State's not playing the way they want to play. We had talked about it when we did our picks for this game. You had pointed out it's kind of a veteran coach in Jamie Dixon for TCU and some younger players. Ohio State is a young coach in Jake Diebler and some more veteran players like which was going to matter more there. TCU looked more prepared for the game. What did you think of how the first half unfolded and why did it unfold that way?
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Doug Lamori
Yeah, I agree with you. Jake Diebler said he thought it was a lack of execution more than anything else. That kind of got Ohio State out of sorts of in the first half. I thought Ohio State just looked really under prepared for the physicality the TCU was throwing at them. They were defending them hard. They were kind of switching everything. They were doubling in the post. Look like the, the front court players for Ohio State were giving the ball away a little too much there in the first half. And I don't know if it's like one of those things you can talk about to your blue in the face, but you Don't. You don't really get it until you're on the floor. But it sound like Ohio State had gone through the Big Ten slate and not played physical teams before. And that's sort of what they've been saying the whole time they've been here. It's like, yes, TCU is physical, but it's not anything we're not used to. But then they got on the floor and it's like, you don't look comfortable right now. So I, yeah, I, I very much thought that, that they looked under prepared in the first 20 minutes, you know, like here, here or there. There was like a nice offensive set, was like, okay, maybe they're figuring this out. But they didn't really string any of that together until, until the second half. And they ended up in a 15 point hole at halftime. So I thought. It honestly felt a little bit to me like the, the coaching dynamic played out sort of how you thought it might in the first half and that maybe like the player dynamic played out a little more than how I thought it might in the second half. Interesting. But the, the hole I think is there is just a little too much to over. I mean, I say take it up by five and then kind of got cold again. So, you know, I don't want to, you know, give. Let them off the hook, but yeah, yeah, I, I think, I think the coaching absolutely mattered in this game. I don't think anybody would dispute that.
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Bill Landis
Yeah, man, they were just. But like they were dead. I mean, they. Look, there are people. And again, it's one of these things, like we're in the chat. It's a good, you know, it's the Die Hards who are in A chat at 12:30 in the afternoon on a Thursday during an NCAA tournament game. But we love the diehards here at the Bella Doug show. We love all kinds of Ohio State fans and college sports fans. And it was at the point where people were like, I would rather miss the tournament than have this. Right? Like it was that dark. And then they came back. Did you think they were dead or did you think like, you know what, like, they do this sometimes. I think they're gonna make it a game in the second half. Like, what were your, your Philly Billy halftime vibes?
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Doug Lamori
I didn't think they were dead. Only because while a lot of what happened in the first half was fueled by TCU's defense, they also made seven threes in the first half. And they, they came into this tournament as the fifth worst, fifth three point shooting team in the entire field. An average seven and a half makes per game, and they made seven in the first half. So I thought to myself, like, well, they're probably not going to do that in the second half, so that's going to at least give Ohio State a shot to get back into it. I wasn't sure. I know that. I was certain that Ohio State would come back, take the lead and have a chance to win. And us sitting here feeling like they kind of gave it away at the end, but I didn't think they were going to get run off the floor because I just didn't expect TCU to keep shooting it that well.
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Bill Landis
TCU 7 of 13 on 3 in the first half, 2 of 10 from 3 in the second half. The second half, like when Ohio State came back like that and TCU was kind of bricking some threes, it was like, oh, wait, no, this is the bad shooting TCU team. I'm not sure how they made seven in the first half, but I thought you made a point in the chat that you thought TCU is making Ohio State work so hard on offense that then it affected Ohio State's ability to defend and gave TCU some open threes.
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Doug Lamori
Yeah, I thought Ohio State was slow on rotations in the first half and frankly, probably still a little bit in the second half. It's just the TCU missed. Missed some open looks. I thought, oh, I should defend it better around the rim for much of the second half until the end when they didn't. But yes, I. With all the switching and all the pressure the TC was putting on the ball was just like, you're. I see, like was sprinting every possession on the offensive end to try to find an angle to get downhill, to get to the hoop to find somebody open and then it would get back on the other end. It's like, okay, I guess we'll catch our breath now. And then tcu, which is not, you know, a super efficient offensive team, was. Was still able to find the open man if that guy's there. And there were a couple guys for TCU who don't make as many threes as they made today, who knocked down a couple of. Of open shots. I think, like, yeah, they're a bad shooting team, but a lot of college basketball players can make open jump shots if you give them open jump shots. And that's sort of what TCU is doing in place the first. First half.
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Bill Landis
Were you listening to the broadcast, like on YouTube TV or whatever while you're watching the game or No, I was not.
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Doug Lamori
No, I was. I didn't. I was letting my. Letting the. The atmosphere of the arena wash over me.
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Bill Landis
He didn't. You didn't drive to Weasel Town to listen to a game on your headphones, right? You're there. You're there to soak in the Weasel Town aura. Bill Raftery on the call was like, begging Christoph Tilly at times to play like a big man. He actually called him onionless at one point. No, he didn't, but he could have. He didn't actually do that. He did, but the vibe. He was on the edge of it, by the way. I was watching the game with my daughter, and I said, do you know what he means when he said, like, this is a guy who's famous for saying onions. I said, do you know what that means? And she was like, I assume it means that, like, onions, like, you're chopping up onions, and this is so good. It's bringing tears to my eyes. And I was like, that's not what it means. And she's like, what? He can say that on television. I was like, he's been doing this for 30 years. He can say whatever he wants. What did you think? Did you. Because TCU is not big, but TCU is tough, as you already said. And there were some people again in the chat. There was like, the most frustrating thing about this is that basically TCU in the interview said, we're gonna kick their butts, and then they came out and kicked Ohio State's butts. Did you think Tilly, or maybe in the first half, somebody needed to try to be a little more physical inside and get some buckets in the paint?
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Doug Lamori
Yeah, I thought that on both ends of the floor until he. Tilly, had a little bit of a confounding game because he, like, flirted with a triple double. He had 10 points. He had six rebounds. He had six assists. And he also had. Is that right? No, sorry. He had 10 points in eight rebounds. Sorry, I can't do math. 10 points. I'm looking at the wrong guy. 10 points, six rebounds, six assists. I apologize. Yeah, a block and two steals. But he was also minus seven in a game that Ohio State lost by two because he was awful on defense. Like, he was just. He was. He was not playing with any force at all on defense, and that has happened a lot this year. It's just like, he's seven foot, but you can go through his chest if you're. If you're strong. And you see some of that on the offensive end. Too. A couple strong takes, but he's just. All year for me, he's been a guy who gets good positioning, does from time to time make aggressive decisions, but then when he, when it's time to put the ball through the hoop, he. He turns back into the finesse guy and allows players that are much smaller than him to, to alter his shots too much. So like this, this. You're trying out a seven footer who's got some offensive skill against a team whose biggest player, six, eight, like that guy should dominate. And Tilly, like in spurts, was good, but for too much of the stretch of the game was ineffective. And when Ohio State made its run to get back into the game, Ohio State was playing small. So, like, he wasn't on the, he wasn't on the floor. They had, they had Amari Bynum at the five. So not, not, not enough from him. Like your two most experienced guys in your starting lineup are Christoph Tilly and Bruce Thornton. And I don't know that you got enough from either one of them in this game.
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Bill Landis
Yeah, I did think so. So when they make their down 49, 40, Ohio State is in the second half and I believe that's the point where they made great shots and they come back to take the lead. I think maybe they took the lead at 51. 50 was the first time they had led since 5, 2. Then they expanded that to 55, 50. And they do that. It's. It's John Mobley Jr. Making some threes, creating, like moving without the ball. We'll talk about the bench in a second. He. He does like a nice job. He gets Gabe cups a wide open three. That's all Mobley created. They get the ball inside twice to Devin Mobley. One's a nice Bynum pass. I think one's a nice Mobley Bynum is being aggressive. Then Bynum has that dunk that again on the broadcast. You know, the people what, just so you know, this Noah Eagle said, that's a man's dunk. And everybody was like, that is like, that's my man. And I did think that moment, Mobley Bynum, Royal, that stretch in the middle of the second half where they were asserting themselves offensively and it was like this. This is some offensive skill, brother. Like I. This looks pretty good. And so like the good. Probably those guys are all back next year and they're only going to be better.
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Doug Lamori
Like, like we assume. Don't, don't say anything too definitively.
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Bill Landis
I mean, it's just like, what. Yeah, Cody Campbell's like, you know who I like? That John Mobley guy. Would he like $14 million to come to Texas Tech that stretch with those three guys just, like, asserting their offensive skill? Beautiful, wasn't it?
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Doug Lamori
Yeah. I mean, that's, that's sort of like the, the best of Ohio State. This was always a team that was going to be more offensive oriented than defensive oriented. And it has a lot of guys who can make shots. It has a lot of guys who can pass. It has, I mean, all five starters ended up in double figures. And like, they're, they're all capable of that on any night. They didn't, they didn't shoot it from deep quite as well as they normally do in this game, but they found the flow there. That was sort of like, okay, this is, this is sort of who they are. And I think, I guess that's what Jake Diebler was talking about when he said he thought their execution more than anything was lacking. Because I don't, I don't know that they changed a whole lot first half, the second half. I do think they just started finding guys better. I think they kind of used Bruce Thornton's gravity because he was getting a lot of attention to, to open up some other areas of the floor, particularly like on some of those cuts that Devin Royal was making. So, yeah, that was, that was, that was pretty basketball. They just didn't, didn't have enough of it for this game.
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Bill Landis
Yeah, so that stretch they take the lead at 51, 50. For the first time since 5 to 2, Royal gets a dunk. So at that point, TCU's 3 of 18 in the second half. Royal then gets a dunk off a great pass from Bynum. TCU misses A3. Great entry pass to Royal from Mobley for a layup. It's 55, 50. Ohio State's on a 151 run in the last 334. Punch makes a basket, and then Bynum drives the lane and gets the man's dunk for an and one. He misses the foul shot, but that's to make it 57, 53. And I think at that point, like, that's four minutes left, I thought Ohio State was going to win.
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Doug Lamori
Talked to Amari Bynum in the locker room. I said, what did you think when you got that dunk in the foul? And he said, I thought we had him.
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Bill Landis
I think everything.
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Doug Lamori
I think everyone in the building thought it was over there. Yeah, everybody.
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Bill Landis
Everybody in the Ohio State fan base thought it was. Oh, my. Because that's. And that's like the. You wrote a great story. I would direct anybody to it. You got to pay a little bit. It's worth it. We want to give you great coverage here and everywhere. Bill and Doug osu.substack.com you talked about sort of like this handoff of Bruce Thornton, the senior, the all time leading scorer. Here's Amari bynum, this top 50 freshman. And like that, it's like passing the torch. It's like, what do you. It's like he dunked the torch. Bruce was like, here, take that torch. Because Bruce Thornton wasn't doing anything. And we'll talk about Bruce Thornton in a little bit. But it's sort of like Bruce Thornton willed this program through four years to have this opportunity. And then they got here and he didn't score a shot from the field in the second half until there were 35 seconds left. So he's kind of struggling a little bit maybe, and we. I want to talk about that. But it's like Bynum and Mobley and Royal are like, bruce, you're our dude. We got this.
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Doug Lamori
Yeah.
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Bill Landis
And what a torch dunk that would have been if that's. If. Then it was like they went up. That's 57, 53. He makes the free throw for 58, 53. They get up and all of a sudden they're up by 13 with two and a half minutes left. And they just overwhelmed them down the stretch. And that was there, right? That's like that was there for the. Taken.
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Doug Lamori
No, I mean, that's, that's sort of where mine was. There. There was something, something a little like, poetic about the idea of, of Bruce willing the team here. And then like, you know what? I'm in the tournament, I just don't have it. I. I need you guys to do it for me now. And like, they were kind of doing it and then they, they couldn't quite finish it off. Even Amari. I didn't, I didn't give the whole quote. He said, I thought we had him. And then I missed the free throw. And then like. And then also he was, he was the guy. He was. He was defending. I think it was. Was it was punch or was it Edmonds on the.
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Bill Landis
The next bucket?
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Doug Lamori
No, no, the game.
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Bill Landis
Punch two. Edmonds. Yeah, Edmonds was the bucket.
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Doug Lamori
So, like, Bynum defended that poorly and he said that afterwards. So, like, he had, he had some nice moments, he had some freshman moments, I think, in this game. But he's. Yeah, he's got tremendous upside, I think. And he's. He's not a one and done guy. I'm not even sure he's like a two and done guy. I think he's a guy you can like, build around here for the next two or three years, like, maybe similar to like an EJ Liddell type player. It was sort of like, like a pillar for, for a while. So I think it was good for him to maybe like, experience the highs and lows of what this is like. But unfortunately, the, the low on the last possession was just not a very well played defensive position to let TCU in the game.
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Bill Landis
It's hard. So. It's so right.
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Doug Lamori
You're.
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Bill Landis
You're thinking about stuff and there's just so many of the guys. What Bruce Thornton has been, what Devin Royal is right now, what John Mobley looks like he's going to be, what you're talking about if Amari Bynum becomes this, that these are guys who are not in and out, who are here and stay two, three, four years. And again, that is reminiscent, especially when a couple of them like Royal and Mobley are Ohio guys. It's reminiscent of this, the greatest modern run in Ohio State history, which is David Lighty, Aaron Kraft, William Buford, John Diebler, and then again, as I was explaining to my daughter, it's like these guys remind you of that, except then those guys had a lottery pick, like, with them Turner, and then as soon as Evan Turner left it with Jared Sellinger, and I just said I said, I'll tell you what, this program, they're one lottery pick away from having everything they want. And that is a silly, funny thing to say, except he might be coming next year if you put a force right. So, so, so we're not wrapping that close to wrapping up yet. But Ohio State, I think they got up Turner's last year when he was national player of the year. And like a Thornton Turner comparison. No comparison. Also kind of a comparison like a ball dominant guy who's the heart and soul of the team. Right. Ohio State, I think in the sweet sixteen by Tennessee that year where they thought they were going to go farther frustrating. And they lost. So they lose the core and then they like replace him with a five star freshman and it's a completely different player. But it's like it's a different heartbeat, it's a different core, it's a different planet at the center that all these good, very good, loyal players can orbit around. So you change your orbit a little bit and then like they elevate it so it's like all these veterans orbiting around Jared Sellinger. I just think as frustrated as Ohio State fans are right now, if you think about Mobley and Bynum and Royal orbiting around the five star freshman, you got a chance, brother, don't you?
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Doug Lamori
I do think you got a chance. Now the, the incoming freshman Anthony Thompson is more of a wing player. Ohio State's gonna, gonna need a lead guard next year to replace Bruce Thornton. But I do, I do think that gets people a little fired up. Like if you can keep those three, bring in Anthony Thompson. They also have Josso, Joss Ojanwana who's a Baylor transfer, big man who didn't play this year because we're coming off an injury. But like he can probably be like a, I don't know, 8.10 rebound kind of big man for you next year too. So I don't think you have to sort of squint very hard to see a, at least a starting five next year or like a, a six man rotation. Top six in the rotation that could be pretty strong as long as they do go out and get that, that guard that they need. But like I said earlier, it's hard to bank on much of it. Like I'm not, I'm not saying like I know that whatever stuff's going to happen, I don't. But it's a fight every off season for every program to keep your good players on their roster. And Ohio State's going to have to deal with that too, yeah.
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Bill Landis
So it was interesting. Like, you talked about this. We talked about it before the game. TCU plays seven guys and it's like, oh, they play seven guys. They don't go super deep. They play seven guys. And it turns out that was fine because Ohio State plays five. TCU, TCU, their bench guys. One bench guy played 28 minutes, one played 16 and one played one. So they got 45 minutes from their bench. Their bench was 2 of 10 from the field and scored four points. 45 minutes, 2 of 10 from the field, four points for the TCU bench. And the TCU bench won the bench battle. Ohio State, 17 minutes from the bench, one of four from the field, three points on a wide open. Gabe cups three pointer. Brandon Noel, four points, didn't take a shot. Ivan, some other guy who played two minutes, didn't take over. Gabe Cups five minutes, one for two. Tayson Chapman, five minutes. Oh, for two. Is that shocking? Is that what you expected? Like, nothing, Nothing from the bench. Nothing. And you were saying during the game, it's like, oh, they're not playing the bench because every time Jake Diebler puts the bench in, they just get the ball stolen from them.
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Doug Lamori
Yeah, I mean, I thought the, the, the Gabe cup spurt there where he, he hit the three. I think he drove and he kicked the bino for a bucket. I thought he had a couple nice defensive possessions, like, okay, that the bench is giving a little something here, but aside from that, it was nothing. Yeah, and, and no, that's not surprising because they've had a bad bench all year. I think there have been moments later in the season where it's like, oh, Tayson Chapman hit a couple threes, you know, Brandon Knowles back from his injury. Maybe, maybe this can be something. But they've, they've lacked bench scoring for the entire season, so it's not surprising that that showed up here. And yeah, it was a couple times where they, I think it was Noel and Chapman together. They were sort of traveling as a pair. Dieble were put him in a game that lasted possession and he put the starters right back in because there was just, there was nothing happening. So I, I am, I'm a little disappointed. I guess the Brandon Knoll wasn't a little more impactful given that he's like a pretty big physical forward type. But he also didn't play for two months. More than a little more than two months. Like just returned at the end of the Big Ten tournament against Michigan. So maybe it was unrealistic to think that he could Have a tremendous impact in this game, but he gave him nothing. You Govin hardly played, as you said, Chapman. I don't. I think maybe took one shot but didn't score. He's. He's always been, in my opinion, like, a little too timid with his offense. If he's not wide open, he's not shooting and he's a good shooter. So that's. They're. They're not. They're not a deep team. And like, I think that's always going to put a ceiling on you. If you try to win a tournament like this or compete in the Big Ten like you. You got to have more than five, in my opinion. And they basically had five all year. So that, like, when I think about the roster next year, it's like they got a. They gotta have a little something more on their bench than what they had this year.
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Bill Landis
Yeah. What happened? That Puff guy, they, like, went to court like they changed the, The, The. The legal system of the United States to get him a 14th year of eligibility. And then was he hurt? Was he just not play?
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Doug Lamori
He had been hurt. He was available for this game. He was dressed and warmed up, but he never got got off the bench. I don't know. He is the only guy on the team who's played the NCAA tournament. So, like, you could. He played on UNC as a freshman team that title game and actually I think played well in that game. But yeah, he, like, whatever. He joined the team in January, kind of got hurt immediately, missed some time, came back, got hurt again. Hadn't really played much down the stretch. So I'm not sure what was realistic there in terms of expectations for Puff Johnson, who, yeah, is 25 years old and 25, will no longer be able to play college basketball.
- [27:40]
Bill Landis
I guess I don't know what it's like we have plus minus, right. I don't know what his plus minus was on, like, lawyer fees to points. We'll have to check on that. I think it's probably a minus. Bruce Thornton made a 3 to open the game and then made a 3 to keep them in the game with 35 seconds left. And in between was 1 for 7. He finished 3 of 9 from the field. He was 2 of 5 from 3, was 2 of 2 from the foul line. 4 points, 4 assists, 1 turnover, 1 steal, 3 fouls, played all 40 minutes, scored 10 points. Was TCU trying to make life difficult for him or what. What would, how would you describe Bruce Thornton's day?
- [28:25]
Doug Lamori
Yeah, I thought they were. They were. They were Blitzing them two to the ball every time he got a screen. I actually wonder because they're, everyone's done that to him. And Ohio State's answer to that has been to sort of like ISO Bruce a little more. But they didn't really do that in this game. And maybe that, that wouldn't have been as effective against TCU because of the way they defend. But I, I sort of think two things can be, can be true about Bruce's game here. Like, I, I thought TCU was as physical, if not even like, maybe in moments more physical than a lot of the teams that Ohio State has played this year. But Bruce didn't like, get the whistle that he normally gets. Like he, he usually goes to the line more. More like he's, he's taken a lot of free throws in his career. And I think he gets, I think he averages five free throws per game. And in this game he got to the line once. So. But, but I also think, like, you know, he's a veteran guy, he understands the flow of the game, how he's being defended. I don't think there's anything you can throw at him that he's never seen before. I think he's got to adjust better. And he ended up with four assists. He only turned it over once. But maybe if it's, if it's just a game where like they're not gonna let you get to your spots as much as you'd like, then you need to be more of a facilitator. You need to be a more efficient offensive player than going three for nine. So yeah, it just wasn't, it wasn't his, his best game. I thought that the three that he hit toward the end of the game was, was a heck of a clutch shot. But in between sort of those two made threes, he just wasn't quite the same player that he normally is on the offensive end.
- [30:06]
Bill Landis
I thought it was instructive the way like the last minute played out after it's tied at 61 TCU like about a minute, right? TCU comes down and seems like runs like a pretty good, just like offensive set, right? And they wind up with a kick to the corner for a wide open three that the guy makes. And then Ohio State comes down and runs. Nothing ragged is all get out. And they wind up with like all time leading score. There's seven seconds on the shot clock. I hope you can do something here. And he just drills a three with a guy all over him and they
- [30:41]
Doug Lamori
count the same, but it's like 36ft. Yeah.
- [30:45]
Bill Landis
TCU ran a play and got a wide open look for some dude. And Ohio State was like, could the all time leading scorer, who has saved us for four years save us again? And then TCU comes down and runs offense and winds up with their best offensive player with the ball in his hands, who makes a move into the middle of the court, makes a nice little quick pass inside to a dude who gets like a two foot layup and it's like, okay, that was pretty well done. What's Ohio State going to do? We'll have the leading score of all time. Leading score, inbound it, get it back, and then just dribble with the guy draped all over him and shoot a half court shot. And so the last minute is TCU like looking like a team and Ohio State getting down to brass tacks, game on the line, onion time. And we're not talking about chopping them up and crying. And their answer was, dear God, Bruce Thornton, could you do something here? And I think that's a little instructive about these two teams, this matchup, this coaching matchup. And like, it almost worked because Bruce is like, okay, I got one for you. Right? It almost, it almost worked, but it wasn't quite good enough. And I just thought, get back to me, get back to me when Jake Diebler's been doing this for 20 years and we'll see how it goes. But I thought the last minute was a little bit of a sign.
- [32:03]
Doug Lamori
No, I thought so too. I think, I think that's right. But I don't know. So I'm a little confused by the last possession because there are a lot of people in our chat saying, like, they should have, they should have advanced it and then called timeout, which, like, I don't, I don't disagree with sort of like offhand, I think it's a little tricky to end up. They end up with 4.7 left and. But like I asked, 4.3, I think, right? 4.3 or 4.3. Sorry, 4.3. Yeah, it was 4.1. And then they added the 4.3. So I asked Shake Table about that and he answered the question like, he didn't call timeout. He said, because they, they called a timeout to check the clock, but on the score sheet it also says timeout, Ohio State. Oh, so. And I thought they announced timeout, Ohio State, but then he said he didn't call it. Okay. And like you wanted it in case they had to call it when the ball got over half Court. Okay, so I don't know exactly. Like, I got, I don't know if I need to, like, go back and watch the broadcast or whatever and see what's up there, but what they wanted, they wanted the ball in Bruce's hands and they wanted him getting downhill. They had, they had Bynum and Royal as like, outlets in each corner. And I, I don't know if either of them were open, but it was basically like, get Bruce downhill and let him make the decision between taking the shot on the run or finding one of those outlets in the corner. Whichever, whichever is the best shot. Like, I didn't, I didn't think Bruce's look was a terrible look, all things considered. And I think you are pretty limited in what you can do when there's only four seconds left, but probably could have drawn up something a little more sophisticated there and maybe, maybe a more veteran coach would have.
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- [34:46]
Bill Landis
So I mean, it's hard. It's like, well, I don't know, why did they just do the thing that Ohio State did that led to the most amazing shot in Ohio State history? But I just, I went back and double checked it, so it's 4.3. You're going 90ft. 2010 Big Ten tournament against Michigan. Ohio State inbounds. Got to go 90ft down with 2.2. They're at 2.2 and they hit Evan Turner on a little curl. He catches the ball on the run. He takes two gigantic dribbles because he's flying and he's six, nine. He takes two gigantic dribbles, gets past half court, like to the edge of the logo and I don't know what that is. 40ft, 38ft and drills it he releases it with 0.2 and swishes it. And then Thadmat is doing the cut. That right?
- [35:36]
Doug Lamori
Yeah. Yeah.
- [35:37]
Bill Landis
So that's 2.2. This is 4.3. They have Bruce inbound to Tilly, get it back, and then as soon as he gets it back, there's a guy all over him. So. So Turner took two dribbles and got past half court. Thornton took four dribbles with the guy all over him, and his foot was on the half court line when he released it with 1 second left. So just like, the efficiency of it, it's like, it's a miracle thing. And then also, again, it's very. It's very different, but Xavier, the. The game in the. In the 2007 NCAA tournament when Ohio State's down three, the Xavier guy can make a foul shot to go up four. I think it's nine seconds left. He misses it. Ohio State rebounds. There's no timeout, but they come up the court. Mike Conley gets the ball up court, gives a little flip to Ron Lewis, who gets open because of, like, calmly ends up setting a screen, and Ron Lewis drills a 30 footer to force overtime, and Ohio State wins. So the. The problem is that's a really tough spot. But there are two, like, very vivid memories for Ohio State fans in tournament games where it's like, okay, Mike Conley put the ball in his hands. Evan Turner put the ball in his hands. Bruce Thornton put the ball in his hands. And, like, this didn't come close to anything. And after watching it, I almost wondered if they should have given it to John Mobley that, like, use Thornton as, like, a. As a decoy and get it. Mobley on a curl and let Mobley get downhill. But how can you have Bruce Thornton drag this team through four years to get to this point and then be like, actually, we're gonna give it to the other guy. You had to give it to Bruce, I guess. But as difficult as it was, I didn't think it was very good.
- [37:17]
Doug Lamori
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't think it was great. I didn't think it was, like, atrocious. But like I said, it could have. Could have been a little better. And I don't know. So I. But I thought, like, the possession before, when Bruce hit the 3 to tie it, like, Mobley has the ball. He get. I. I either like a shot fake or a dribble, creates some space for himself. I'm like, all right, he's gonna pull it. And then he gave it up. Like, he didn't want to take the shot.
- [37:37]
Bill Landis
Right.
- [37:38]
Doug Lamori
So I wonder if that. And was instructive at all for as they decided, like if John's not going to take that shot, we're not giving him the last one. So like, like I, I think he, Bruce didn't have a great game. He was, he had a bad shooting game. I still think it's kind of gotta, gotta be him, but you're probably right. But it could be, it could have been him in a different way.
- [38:01]
Bill Landis
Yeah.
- [38:02]
Doug Lamori
And especially like, again, like, I don't, I'm a little confused by the timeout thing. Like if they had a timeout, maybe you should get it over as fast as you can and call a timeout. And there's like two seconds left, but at least you're inbounding closer to the basket. Right. I think it's, I think with the way the TCU defends, it's probably a little more difficult to get the ball in if you're inbounding in the half court as opposed to 90ft away. But. And I, you probably open up some different possibilities if you're inbounding it closer to the, to the basket. So. Yeah, I don't know. Like, I probably, I probably should have pressed Jake on it. Like one more question, but I think, you know, if, if you came into this game believing it was going to ultimately come down to coaching, it felt like, and if execution is a reflection of coaching, then TCU got it done in the last two possessions and Ohio State didn't.
- [38:57]
Bill Landis
It was funny. Like, I just was really caught up in the moment there. As I talked about when it just felt like Mobley and Royal and Bynum were like rising to the occasion. I just thought like, Mobley looks kind
- [39:08]
Doug Lamori
of how to go.
- [39:09]
Bill Landis
Yeah, he's like, he's like cutting hard off the ball and taking a three pointer. He's finding cups. Like he just looked smooth and in control. And then I looked at the box score at the end and it was like a 6 of 17, 3 for 11. I was like, what? Because I feel like I remember the three and I don't remember the eight misses as much. But like three for 11 is not great either. Like, what did you like? Mobley at times was like, like, what'd you think of Mobley? Overall leading scorer, 15 points.
- [39:35]
Doug Lamori
Yeah, he was, I thought he forced some threes including like they, they had pull up the scoring runs here because they had that, that sort of like initial spurt when.
- [39:49]
Bill Landis
Oh, the heat check.
- [39:50]
Doug Lamori
And then he pulled the heat check.
- [39:52]
Bill Landis
Yeah. My daughter was like, well, you killed that. And I was like, that's a heat check.
- [39:57]
Doug Lamori
Yeah. And then I think TCU Mike might have gone down the other end and scored on the next possession. It's like, all right. Like, I get it. I think I would have shot it, too, but. But it was like, you get a little bit. A little bit of that with Moby sometimes. Like, he. He has been. I. I wrote this yesterday. He's been remarkably efficient shooting since he came back from dislocating his pinky. And maybe I jinxed him, I don't know, because he was shooting darn near 50 from three in the last, like, seven games or something like that. And in this game, he was 3 for 11.
- [40:26]
Bill Landis
They had, like, a real close up on one of his, like, floaters that you really could see the taped fingers. And I was saying to my daughter, oh, so he dislocated his finger, and he had. She had. She. He had to tape together. She's like, I listened to the podcast. I know. You don't have to tell me again. Landis already told me. I was like, sorry. I thought if you were lining up. So, again, like, I. So Edmonds had 16 for TCU. He's the inside guy who scored the little flip at the end, right? He scored the winning bucket.
- [40:56]
Doug Lamori
He's.
- [40:56]
Bill Landis
These are five.
- [40:57]
Doug Lamori
Yeah.
- [40:58]
Bill Landis
Michael Robinson had 18 points. He's the guy who made the three in the last minute, the wide open three. So he's more like a little guy. Right? Okay. And then Punch. David Punch, the sophomore had 16 points in 28 minutes. 6 of 12 had 13 rebounds.
- [41:16]
Doug Lamori
I.
- [41:18]
Bill Landis
It feels like Edmonds and Robinson were a little more like guys that, like, maybe need a little help getting open, and if you get them the ball in their spot, they can be okay. I thought if you lined up, like, the five most skilled offensive players in this game, it would be Thornton, Mobley, Royal, Bynum, and Punch, because Punch could do some stuff on his own. Do you. Do you. Is that fair, do you think? I didn't think there was, like, a second real offensive force for TCU who's a creator. Harding's the point guard, but, like, he's more of a distributor, and everybody else, I thought was not as much of a creator. Do you think that's a fair assessment?
- [41:54]
Doug Lamori
Yeah, that's kind of how I felt watching them. Like, I don't think, like, Punch is much in the way of a jump shooter, but he's. He's quick and athletic and can get to his spots and is really good
- [42:02]
Bill Landis
around the rim, nice spin moves inside and stuff. Like a little bit of a post game.
- [42:07]
Doug Lamori
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought Edmonds was good, but Edmonds, like. Edmonds had six offensive rebounds. I think like a lot of his game is like, Is like tip ins and dunks and stuff. And then Robinson. Yeah, Robinson made four threes and on the year he made two per game. So like he doubled that. Yep. Good. Good job by him for coming up. A little more clutch, I think. But he was another guy who was like, like kind of open all the time.
- [42:28]
Bill Landis
All the time.
- [42:30]
Doug Lamori
Every time he caught it, like on the catch, he was. He was pretty comfortable.
- [42:33]
Bill Landis
So then that leads me to Ohio State had four of the five best offensive players in the game and lost. How'd that happen?
- [42:41]
Doug Lamori
Just too many. Like, they, they had a stretch in the first half where I think it was seven empty possessions in a row. And I think like two. Two of them, they got their shot blocked and three of them, they turned it over. So like, yes, they're very skilled offensively, but they don't, they don't always play with the right kind of like force offensively. Right. Like there's still just a lot of finesse in that lineup. And, And Mobley and Thornton are. Are heavily reliant on their, on their jump shot going in. And neither guy was efficient from beyond the arc either. So it's great to have good offensive players, but their shots gotta go and they weren't. And then I just. They were, they were. First half especially, they were a little out of sorts, I think, with who should have been handling the ball in the room. There was one possession on the perimeter where it was like Bynum and you. Govin were playing hot potato on the wing and they turned it over. It's like, well, yeah, I'm not surprised that happened. Yeah. So they just, they were, they were. I, I just like the, the switching and the bumping and the physicality and the speed. I think of TCU's defense was just kind of putting them on their heels a little bit.
- [43:59]
Bill Landis
Coming in. Ohio State average eight threes a game. TCU averaged seven. Ohio State shot better from three for the year than TCU in this game. Ohio State 6 of 23 from 3:26. TCU 9 of 23 from 3:39. So it's like if both teams shoot a little closer to their average from three, Ohio State wins. But a large chunk of the point is like, well, TCU is not going to allow them do that because TC is going to D up and make it difficult and they did. We had talked about on our Tuesday show that like a little sigh of relief. There's something to talk about with Ohio State basketball other than should their coach be fired? Which had been the primary discussion for four years. The chat's back. It's like, well, can you fire somebody on the bus ride home from the NCAA tournament? That's not the question. But like, like final evaluation of Jake Diebler in this game and then maybe Jake Dibler, I think we can start going more big picture. Jake Diebler this game, Jake Diebler this year.
- [45:01]
Doug Lamori
I, I thought you saw a little bit of growth from Jake Diebla throughout the year. And then this was sort of going to be the, the whatever ultimate sort of barometer of exactly where he is. And I think the answer to that is like not, not quite ready yet, right? Like not. And that's not, he's in his second year as being a full time head coach. Like that he's not ready to take a team on a tournament run is not surprising. But I think we got whatever, definitive proof of that here. And I don't know that that means that he'll never be able to, but his inexperience I think showed up in, in this game and I think he might admit to that sort of. In a moment of reflection, I tried to ask him, like, because we've been talking a lot about that's great that the players are here and what they can learn from this. And I said like, well, you just coached tournament game, like what are you going to learn from this? And he said, like, I'm going to analyze every single thing we did from selection Sunday until Bruce's three hit off the glass and didn't go in. So like he's, he's gonna go back. He said, like minute by minute, hour by hour, how do we prepare for this game and what should we have done differently to get a better result next time? And like, I don't. There is, there's a, a world where you go through that for the first time, don't do everything right and still win. But they didn't. So, so now he's, he's got to learn from that. He's going to get the chance to like, he's, he's earned that. I think, I think had this season gone a different way, had that loss at Iowa started some kind of spiral that ended with them not making the tournament, I think there's a decent chance maybe Ohio State's looking for a new basketball coach right now. But they turned it around. They Got here. So he's still the coach. And, like, they're not. I think Ross Bjork believes in them. Ross Bjork was sitting two seats down for me on press row, watching the game, kind of living and dying with every. Every basket. Like, every Ohio State fan was there at the end. And I. I think he still believes in. In the decision that he made to make Jake the guy that leads this program. So I. I think they have a chance to take a step forward. I want to. I want to pull up. I'm gonna see if I can pull the quote up here. Jake said. He actually said this twice. We're not leaving here satisfied as a program. This is a great step for us, but we want more. And then he kind of said the same thing later. So, like, okay. I don't think there's anything about him that's like, oh, we got here, that's all we needed to do. Like, there, you know, he's. I think he's kicking himself a little bit for some of the coaching decisions he made in this game and not having his team quite ready to play. And I don't like if you're. If you're. I think if you're someone who's like, they should have never hired him in the first place, I'm not going to disagree with you. But he's the coach, so, like, they made a decision to make him the coach, and he's gonna have to do this stuff where he's, like, learning on the job. And this was one of those times. I think so. And I know that's frustrating. I'm not saying, like, deal with it, that's okay, but that's just sort of what it is. So we'll see what he does with it. I think this is a tremendous learning experience with the way this season ended,
- [48:04]
Bill Landis
the.
- [48:04]
Doug Lamori
The limitations, the. The strengths of the team, all those things, it's all. It's all instructive and should make him a better coach moving forward. So we'll. We'll see what he does with it. I don't like a lot of the Fire Diebler stuff, like, kind of falls on deaf ears for me because, like, I didn't hear from those people when they were winning the game. So it's like, be about it or don't. So, like, whatever. I get you're frustrated, but we live in reality. He's not going to get fired. Then we'll see where it goes. Like, he's gonna. He's gonna get another year or two to get this program still on the positive trajectory that I think a lot of people in the athletic department believe that it's on right now. So if fans don't feel that way because they lost a tournament game, I get it.
- [48:44]
Bill Landis
But.
- [48:45]
Doug Lamori
And the way that they played, especially in the first half of this game, was, like, kind of embarrassing at times. But if you look at it more holistically, I think there's a lot of belief that they're kind of on the right track here.
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- [50:00]
Doug Lamori
Yeah.
- [50:01]
Bill Landis
Did you see Wisconsin lost?
- [50:03]
Doug Lamori
I did. I picked High Point to win that game. Feeling pretty good about it. We're gonna watch the highest. They kick the crap out of Wisconsin. And all I was doing the whole time was screaming, how did this team beat Michigan? I didn't think Wisconsin. I didn't think Wisconsin was any good.
- [50:16]
Bill Landis
It.
- [50:16]
Doug Lamori
So I'm not surprised by that.
- [50:17]
Bill Landis
We're gonna let you get back out to courtside here. You're gonna go back out courtside, watch Sienna take down the dookies.
- [50:23]
Doug Lamori
Yeah. I'm gonna go sit out there and write my story. Yeah. Okay. Stick around here for the two late games, too, I think. Might as well watch basketball since I'm here.
- [50:31]
Bill Landis
Yeah. Free ball. So. So listen, all that stuff you said should never be happening at Ohio State. It's like I've never done this before. I need to learn from this. They shouldn't have a coach that is in that situation. It's not his fault he's in that situation. It is borderline insane that that's the situation Ohio State chose to be in. It's it's like fundamentally a borderline irresponsible choice that Ohio State's athletic department Ross Bjork did this. They got caught up in the moment. Everybody loves the interim. They got in a crossover AD situation where I think, like, if you had an AD who had more than a month on the job, I think maybe they're not doing it. But this was a step. And I do think with the things we talked about, if they can retain that, those, those core guys bring in a five star, they've got to go find it. Like, there's no excuses. We're not talking like, there's no crime poor, no crime poor, no crime poor excuses accepted from Ohio State basketball. As far as I'm concerned about like, go get a guard. Go get the high point point guard or whatever who's like five, four. But will them to Wisconsin, the two victory of Wisconsin Johnson go. I don't even know. I don't know how tall he is. I don't know his name and I don't know if he has eligibility. You can find the guy. It feels like the. I think the, the players were good enough today for Ohio State to beat tcu and they didn't. So it's like, okay, why didn't Ohio State win its first round tournament game? Their players were good enough, so why didn't they win? Okay, I think we have the answer to that. I think, I think the coach is number one of like, why they didn't win today. Now they fought back and get credit for that. They didn't like, but I think that's fair. And I think the talent next year is going to be good enough. That it's like, this team should like, continue to take a step and then it becomes a thing again. It's not about what's fair to the coach. It's about what's fair to the program. So if this team doesn't take like a legitimate step next year, if they barely miss the tournament and they go 11, nine, a Big Ten plan, they have a bunch of closeness. Like, I feel like we got caught in the. I feel like it's coming vortex with Chris Holtman and he was here two years longer than he should have been. I think you should be strong enough as an athletic department and as a decision maker to say, I'm sorry, it's not about you. It was about our original decision. It's the original sin and we have to rectify that. So if they're not like pretty freaking good next year, it's not about, like, does Jake Diebler deserve to be fired because they fell off a cliff. They didn't fall off a cliff like they were fine. It's like, we can't live in fine. Ohio State basketball can't live in fine. Hoping to be good in three years because they just did that with the last coach and it cost him most of a decade. So I think this reaffirms for anybody who's like, why is he the coach? I think today reaffirms, why is he the coach? I can't believe they made this decision. Did he do a terrible job this year? No, I don't think he did a terrible job this year. They rally at the end of the season, they rally at the end of this game. But they dug themselves holes in the season and in this game. That is reflective of something and I think it might be reflective of that. He's not ready for this. And so I think he's doing the best he can given the circumstance. I cannot believe this is the circumstance. That's my bottom line takeaway of that. But it doesn't mean that we have to do 365 days a year, fire the coach because there's some pretty interesting dudes to talk about on this team.
- [53:48]
Doug Lamori
Yeah, I, I don't disagree with any of that. And if I thought, like, I don't know if the roster was resetting more than we're anticipating, maybe, maybe that is a different kind of conversation because, like, you might as well hit the reset button with the coach too, if you're, if you're kind of feeling that way. But I think because the roster is not quite in that position and there were, there were some, whatever sparks of something at the end of this year that you can, you know, can convince yourself that it's worth seeing where this next step takes them.
- [54:20]
Bill Landis
And.
- [54:20]
Doug Lamori
But I, but I do think it's, it's sort of like a, at least in my mind, it's like a one year proposition. And I think you're there too. If they're not better than what they were this year, next year, then like, go find a new coach. Because it's been, it's been too long of what you're, of what you've just described of. We're knocking on the door. We're right there. It's like, no, you're not. And it's college basketball where, where everybody turns any, like every, Everything gets turned around in one year.
- [54:40]
Bill Landis
Yep.
- [54:41]
Doug Lamori
Like the sport, the sport is built for that now. So like, you better do it or find someone else who Can.
- [54:46]
Bill Landis
I will say I'd be very interested when. If Shire becomes available. If Duke loses the Sienna. I think Ohio State should look into that.
- [54:56]
Doug Lamori
It's really weird. The court is like 15ft from where I am, but like, this room is like soundproof. I don't hear anything.
- [55:01]
Bill Landis
Oh, yeah, yeah. Sienna is still ahead as we talk. 53.49 with 12 and a half minutes left. So I would say if Sienna beats Duke, I think Ohio State would take either of those coaches. Jerry McNamara, the winning coach, or John Shire, the fired losing coach.
- [55:17]
Doug Lamori
By the way, sienna, the worst three point shooting team in the field. 44 right now against John Shire and
- [55:24]
Bill Landis
John Dealer or Jake Diebler. Going out for beers after this game. Yes. Sienna 7 of 16, Duke 3 of 17. All right. You're glad you went.
- [55:35]
Doug Lamori
Yeah, I think so. I think it's good to like, get a. At the very least get a. A feel for where things might be headed with this program in. In person. So. And I like covering the tournament and I don't know financially it worked out okay because we don't get to pay for the whole trip. We can leave tomorrow and save ourselves a couple of nights in the. Couple nights in the hotel. So. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad I went. Yeah.
- [55:53]
Bill Landis
We were talking about like these YouTube videos that are on basketball instead of football. We're like, well, they don't usually do quite as well, but like, maybe they'll pop in the tournament. These basketball videos. It's like, nope, they are not popping.
- [56:06]
Doug Lamori
No problem.
- [56:07]
Bill Landis
Thanks to everybody. Thanks everybody who's here watching right now. There are not as many of you as if we were talking about the second string offensive lineman for the football team. So it's over.
- [56:17]
Doug Lamori
Which we will do next week. Yeah. Because spring football's back.
- [56:20]
Bill Landis
We could do 15 minutes on backup offensive lineman right now. If we want to put it in the headline and try to juice the numbers a little bit, we'll let basketball be basketball. Interesting season. 21:13 for the Ohio State Buckeyes. I did look it up. 36th NCAA tournament for Ohio State. Do you know how many times they have now lost their first game in the tournament? So it's not. I wouldn't call it first round because, like, in 1939 they were like, already in the elite eight.
- [56:46]
Doug Lamori
When they got in, it's six. I saw your thing. Five, six. Five, six.
- [56:51]
Bill Landis
This is the sixth. So they're 30 and six in their first games in the tournament.
- [56:55]
Doug Lamori
So I think I jinxed them before the game too, because I was just looking stuff up as I was waiting for the game to start. And I was looking at the history of the tournament here in Greenville. And there had been two, eight, nine games before today. And the eight won both games, which is what Ohio State was. And the only other team from Ohio that had played here before was Kent State that won both games here as a 10 seed, upset number two Alabama and went to the Elite Eight that year. And I, for some reason looked that up and put that out into the universe. And then Ohio State loss.
- [57:23]
Bill Landis
Like Tissue said, everybody in South Carolina is from Ohio. It's Ohio's second home, but not today. All right, TCU advances to face Sienna. See, let's check in on score here. 53, 53, 52. Here comes Duke. Thanks for the work.
- [57:41]
Doug Lamori
I, I can't say I'm not going to say what the Duke team chanted before they ran out to the floor, but I could not believe what they chanted before they ran onto the floor. I'll tell you after the show.
- [57:58]
Bill Landis
Wasn't about onions, was it? Okay. Just a, just a bunch of guys just playing ball. Can't blame him. All right, He's Bill Landis. He's in Greenville, South Carolina. He'll be writing at the Substack. Bill and Doug osu.substack.com We'll be writing football over there. We'll be talk going back to talking football. If there's more stuff to talk about with basketball as you get home. If you're, you know, if your brain's working on the drive back and you're thinking, like, you know what, there's one more thing I want to cover with hoops. We'll do it. But as you said, spring football back next week. Make sure you're subscribed here on the YouTube channel. Make sure you're subscribed here on the podcast feed so you don't miss anything we put out. And we'd love to see you over at the substack. Bill of doug osu.substack.com 18off. You'll find the code if you do an annual subscription during spring football. Landis, great job, brother. Thanks for, for bringing us the. The live coverage.
- [58:49]
Doug Lamori
Yeah, thank you for, for handling the the Buzzer story on the sub stack. I appreciate it. And for working around the schedule here to do some podcasts. But so it was fun. I'm glad we came and happy to be back in football mode next week.
- [59:02]
Bill Landis
There we go.
- [59:03]
Doug Lamori
All right.
- [59:03]
Bill Landis
Thanks, you guys, for joining us as always for now in Greenville, South Carolina. He's Bill Landis. Not in Greenville, South Carolina. I'm Doug Le Maurice, and that was the Bill and Doug Show. And Doug.
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