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The Bill and Doug Show: Ohio State Football Talk
Ohio State's biggest rival besides Michigan; Buckeyes' QB if not Julian Sayin? Around the Shoe
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Five Ohio State football topics are on the board for Around the Shoe, which comes to you every Monday on The Bill and Doug Show. As the Buckeyes prepare to play Penn State, who is the Buckeyes' biggest rival outside of Michigan?
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Doug Lamoris
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Bill Landis
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Doug Lamoris
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Bill Landis
Would they find it in one place?
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Doug Lamoris
This they questioned and doubted when suddenly a who yelled, walmart's the place to start.
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Bill Landis
And each who added headphones, TVs, and.
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Doug Lamoris
Games to their carts with Walmart, their.
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Bill Landis
Shopping was done in a flurry.
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Doug Lamoris
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Joey Kaufman
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Doug Lamoris
Lowe's we help you save foreign welcome back to around the Shoe. Doug Lamoris and Bill Landis on the Bill and Doug show, joined by two great members of the Ohio State media this week, Joey Kaufman of the Columbus Dispatch and Stefan Kreischnik of cleveland.com. joey, thank you for being here on around the Shoe.
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Joey Kaufman
Good to be on. Thanks for having.
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Doug Lamoris
Joey, how, how long have you been covering Ohio State?
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Joey Kaufman
Since 2019, which was Ryan Day's first season. So in terms of neatly overlapping with a coaching tenure, that was my first year, which. Wow, Good for my brain.
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Doug Lamoris
Yeah, that is good. So you just ignore. People are like Urban Meyer and you're like, who?
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Joey Kaufman
I waited out the 2018 fall and then arrived after that, which seemed wise.
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Doug Lamoris
Yeah, you did miss the donuts, Bill. He missed the free donuts. When we were standing around in that, in that building waiting to find out if Urban was gonna be fired or not. Remember those donuts?
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Bill Landis
The thing everyone remembers about the 2018 off season, the free donuts. Yeah.
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Doug Lamoris
Yeah. Worth it. Stefan Kreischnik, how long have you been covering Ohio State for cleveland.com?
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Stefan Kreischnik
Yeah, I've been, I've been covering it for about a year and a half now. I joined right ahead of the, the 2024 season. I started in June 2024, but I didn't actually move to Columbus until like the middle of fall camp. So I, I made the joke with, with people on the beat last year, especially those who have been covering Ohio State for a while. Winning national titles is pretty easy. You just kind of show up and it happens. So you know the people who had gone 10 years covering Ohio State and never saw A national title. It's pretty easy. Just step in and they win some games.
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Doug Lamoris
Yeah, you think everybody here's a bunch of losers.
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Bill Landis
Hey, I got an I should title my first year too. All right.
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Doug Lamoris
I guess Joey and I didn't win national titles our first seasons on the beat.
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Stefan Kreischnik
Sorry.
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Doug Lamoris
Yeah, you were. You guys were grand marshals of the parade. I remember that Stefan was like, like coming down Lane Avenue. So we're here to do around the shoe. We do five quick hit topics on Ohio State. We, we invite these wonderful members of this robust Ohio State media to join us every week. And so we have our five topics. Number one in this Penn State week, Joey Kaufman. We know Ohio State, Michigan. We're all thinking about Ohio State. Michigan. Ohio State's thinking about Ohio State. Michigan. But Ohio State and Penn State have. This will be the 33rd straight year they will have played. They are not going to play in 2026 and 2027 because they have not been designated as rivals outside of Michigan. Who do you believe is Ohio State's number two rival right now?
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Joey Kaufman
I'm surprised you didn't do this for Illinois week. This, this line of questioning.
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Doug Lamoris
Wooden turtle. Wooden turtle.
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Joey Kaufman
But I guess now that it's Penn State, I mean, I don't really consider Penn State much of a rival for Ohio State. I remember doing a story in 19, my first year where there was a. Two professors who did this academic study to measure the intensity of college football rivalries. And you could. And I was, I was looking that up earlier. But you get 100 points to assign if you're an Ohio State fan and responding to the survey and the Ohio State Fans reserved like 90 something points to Michigan. It was the highest percentage of any school dedicated toward one opponent. And this was a time 2019 where things were good for Ohio State rivalry. The name Connor Stallions hadn't entered anybody's vocabulary and Michigan was still commanding that much of their attention. So I don't see anything remotely when there's so much hatred dedicated to Michigan. I don't think you can preserve it for anybody else if you're going to be that intensive at it.
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Doug Lamoris
Yeah, so. So your, your actual answer is there is none. There's nobody. There is no number two rival for Ohio State.
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Joey Kaufman
No. I mean, some teams are kind of in vogue for a period of time. Clemson in 1920 was. Ohio State fans didn't really care for dabble. Sweeney's coaches poll vote in late 2020 and they're in Oregon. I think last year sort of butted heads recruiting Wise. But I mean, it's all just in the moment, sort of general college football living. There's. There's nobody. I think even in the. The spectrum of Michigan, it is.
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Doug Lamoris
It's so gigantic. It's maybe it's hard to have a number two. Stefan, do you think there's a number two?
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Stefan Kreischnik
Yeah. Joey kind of stole my answer there. You know, I know we'll get into it, you know, later about things that we've just noticed, you know, when we joined the beat and differences from previous beats and stuff like that. Like, I think immediately when you join the Ohio State beat, you realize that this rivalry has a sense of like, hatred that. That very few do. And like, there is no such thing as rent free. I think Ohio State, Michigan fans are both like, yeah, we think about you all the time. Like, that's. And that's okay. Like, that's part of it. So I think that. That it's. So that rivalry is so intense that it is hard to find a consistent number two. You know, I wrote about it last year's media days that, you know, between, as Joey referred to there, like on the. On the recruiting trail and obviously Oregon joining the Big Ten and immediately facing Ohio State that first year and ended up facing each other twice, that it kind of felt like maybe a mini rivalry could kind of start to brew now that there is someone in the Big Ten that wants to kind of recruit and compete at that high of a level with Ohio State in Oregon that maybe there could kind of form this many rivalry that we saw, you know, against Clemson and Notre Dame, maybe kind of is part of this conversation because they've met each other so much in recent years and obviously the national title game and there's the Marcus Freeman storyline and all that stuff. But I. It seems like it's Michigan and then like whatever you kind of. Whoever you feel like hating when you wake up that morning, that team number two in the conversation.
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Doug Lamoris
Yeah, no, I think that whoever. Yeah. Who. Who do I feel like hating today? Right? That's the number two rival for Ohio State.
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Stefan Kreischnik
If Signetti says something that morning, like, he can be a rival that morning. I guess.
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Doug Lamoris
Yeah. I think that might be leaning us into. Bill, who you thinking here, Bill?
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Bill Landis
Well, yeah, I do think it's going to be sort of rotational. Okay. For me. For me the question is not so much like who can be the number two rivalry. I think it's like, because. Because I don't really know that there is another quote, unquote, rival, but who can occupy the space that Penn State has occupied for, like, the last decade. Our Ohio State fans care to characterize that rival or not, that that opponent matters on the field, off the field for achieving your goals kind of thing. And now the. Penn State's not going to be on the schedule every year, and it's also in the state of flux. We don't know what it's going to be. Post James Franklin, that that spot is very much up for grabs. So, yes, it could be Oregon, it could be Notre Dame's. A great poll because, like, there's. There's the. The amount that they've played. They're not going to play a lot during the regular season, but they can meet each other a bunch in the postseason. They recruit a lot of the same guys. Culturally, I think they are very similar, even if they might not admit it. And, like, there's a lot of overlap with the staffs, and I think we'll continue to be so. So Notre Dame. I don't know that it's gonna. Is gonna go anywhere, but I do wonder if it can be Indiana, to your point, Doug, like, because you do need a bit of a. I don't know if villains the right word, but, but like, some. Someone to, like, hold up and kind of. Kind of hate. And I, And I do think Kurt Signetti can be that person. We'll see how much he continues to, like, lean into that side of his personality as Indiana becomes more and more established, which I think it will be, but for the time being, I don't know that anyone in the Big Ten really likes Kurt Signetti all that much. I think they respect what he's done and respect the rise of the Indiana program from a personality standpoint. I think they probably wish he would just, like, stop talking, and he's not been that bad this year, but there's still enough carryover from last year, too, that, that I. I do think Ohio State's probably not even alone, but there's a couple. Couple programs in the Big Ten that. That don't sort of love, like, the bravado of Indiana and Kurt Signetti right now. And I could see that program rising to the level we're kind of talking about. The interesting thing is, like, over the next three years, they're only scheduled to play each other once in the regular season, Ohio State and Indiana, but they can obviously see each other in the Big Ten championship this year. With what Indiana is doing, that could become more of a common thing to meet them in Indianapolis and also possibly the playoffs. So I think Indiana is probably the most fun of the possible choices anyway.
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Doug Lamoris
Joey, remember last year when Ohio State beat Indiana and the. The Ohio State video crew had like the Google Me stuff loaded for. For the video board as soon as that game ended. It feels like there's a little bit of that Signetti will poke you right? He probably needs to beat Ohio State for this to become a real rivalry.
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Joey Kaufman
But.
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Doug Lamoris
But in terms of pokers, is not Kurt Signetti at the top of the list? Joey?
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Joey Kaufman
Yeah, I mean he almost strikes me as sort of Brett Bielema ish from like the early 2010s where like Brett Bielema at that time could really needle some Big Ten coaches. And that was, that was an era where I think Ohio State fans and Wisconsin sort of butted heads. Because you have Ohio State, the head coach doesn't really get into the mud like that. They're very statesmanlike. They're. I mean at that time it was the Senator Trestle and Day is sort of in that mold where he's not going to get out there and throw haymakers publicly with another coach. But, but Signetti kind of could be this, this decade's version of Belema in terms of willingness to say things into a microphone that would raise eyebrows of the Ohio State coach.
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Doug Lamoris
And he only beat Ohio State once. But it was enough that it was like he had the one win when Ohio State was number one. I think it was one in five as it was as a Wisconsin coach against Ohio State. But then he did say stuff and I very much leaned into when Bo R was the Wisconsin basketball coach and Bielema was the football coach. And they were in the same division, I think in footballs legends or leaders or whatever it was. It's like Wisconsin was really like a thing. Like there was like three or four years there where Wisconsin was quite a pain in the neck to Ohio State fans. And I do think, Stefan, you're kind of making the point like it's sort of rotational. I can also remember between 2011 and 2016, Ohio State, Michigan State were three and three against each other. And. And two of the Ohio State wins were 17, 16. They were one point wins. And I remember asking Urban Meyer or something at some point, like, hey, are you going to ban green pens in the Woody Hayes Athletic Center? Because it's like, oh, you can't wear blue. You've beaten Michigan 10 straight times. How about green? How about banning green? Mark d' Antonio actually knows how to play with Ohio State. I do think it requires somebody. There's a familiarity, there's A dislike. But you have to be a little scared of somebody, I think, to be the rival. Which is why I do think Oregon's the most likely one here. That Ohio State lost to Oregon last year, that you just know Oregon's going to recruit on high level if they are in the regular season schedule in 26 and 27, that Ohio State certainly could see Oregon in the playoff this year. Stefan, I do think, like, Oregon's potentially like the scariest team that Ohio State would see on any kind of regular basis that maybe could elevate to this number two spot just by the fact of maybe they're capable of beating Ohio State four or five times out of 10.
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Stefan Kreischnik
Yeah. And the way it kind of started, I mean, they joined the Big Ten, they take Trey McNutt from Ohio State's backyard and then they beat Ohio State the first time they see them. So it was like in the span of hey, welcome to the Big Ten. You've been here three months. Hey, Big Ten teams aren't supposed to do this. Like, you're not supposed to take guys from Ohio. You're not supposed to beat Ohio State. And Oregon kind of came in and did that almost immediately right upon adding or joining the Big Ten. So yeah, the, the recruiting channel is just, it's such an interesting element to it because no, no team in the Big Ten throughout the last however many years has been able to consistently compete with Ohio State on the recruiting front. And now here's Oregon with, with Nike money being like, yeah, we can do whatever we want. I thought Doug was set with the green Pens thing. I thought you were setting up to say that they're going to ban cigarettes from the Woody, but I bet they already.
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Joey Kaufman
Doug, I'd add this too. With Michigan State. It's interesting because there were two years in that decade where they knocked Ohio State out of the playoffs or at least in 15 they knocked him out of the playoff. 15, they knocked him out of the BCS title game.
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Bill Landis
Yep.
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Joey Kaufman
There's no Big Ten program or really coach that's going to be able to rip Ohio State's heart out in that same fashion. The way the sport's currently constructed. There's no weird game in November where events conspire against Ohio State and the other coach has a great night and spoils the season for 300 something days. It just the magnitude of a regular season loss is not the same as like Dantonio era at Michigan State beating Ohio State or even if Indiana beats my state, the Big Ten title game. So what they're playing a few weeks.
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Doug Lamoris
Again because that would be like the instigating moment, Bill. Right. If Kurt Signetti in his home state beats Ohio State in the Indianapolis and like Ohio State fans would be mad. But to Joey's point, Ohio State would maybe go from the 1 seed in the playoff to the 3 seed in the playoff. And so like this, maybe the stakes aren't enough to like, really stick in your crawler. Like, oh man, we got to get Kurt Signetti back next year.
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Bill Landis
Well, that makes me wonder too, if the answer to this question could be someone who's not in the Big Ten. Right? We talked about Notre Dame, but like, what if it's like, I know they're down this year, but what if it's Texas, right? Like, if Texas is on a regular season schedule next year, but they played in the postseason last year, you could certainly see Ohio State and Texas clashing in the postseason many times in the future. Or I, I don't know, like Georgia or Georgia. Certainly if Miami has like some staying power on the national stage with as much as Ohio State recruits in South Florida, I could see it being Miami. It's not the same thing as a team that's in your geographical footprint or your conference that you see most seasons, if not every season. But maybe with the way that the sport is, is changing, we have to keep an open mind on what a rivalry could mean. And maybe it just means somebody you see in the postseason somewhat regularly.
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Doug Lamoris
Yeah, no, I think that's very possible. And as you guys pointed out like that, that really was a thing with clubs in there for a couple years that like, you don't have to be in the same conference, but you play each other back to back years or three years out of five or something. And it's for, it's for really high stakes. It certainly has a chance to be that. AI agents are everywhere, automating tasks and making decisions at machine speed. But agents make mistakes. Just one rogue agent can do big damage before you even notice. Rubrik Agent Cloud is the only platform that helps you monitor agents, set guardrails and rewind mistakes so you can unleash agents, not risk. Accelerate your AI transformation@rubrik.com that's R U B R I K.com all right, let's go to question number two. Stefan, we will start with you. If Nick Saban hadn't retired and Julian sand had stayed at Alabama, who would be Ohio State starting quarterback right now in the 2025 season?
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Stefan Kreischnik
This was probably the toughest question you sent on, on the List, to be quite honest with you, just because.
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Joey Kaufman
The.
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Stefan Kreischnik
The obvious answer in the way they talked about him in the off season would be Lincoln Keenholes. But I think we would get an honest answer if Julian saying wasn't there. And like would you, would you actually ride into this off season with, with Lincoln Kinos? I, I, I guess Aaron Nolan would kind of be the obvious guy you point to since he was kind of that freshman that, that first came in, you know, before Julian and he would be the one that, that maybe would be in line to start. The thing with air is like, was this decision to transfer completely based on, you know, Julian saying coming in? Were there other factors? Like, I don't know, like, maybe he just wanted to go to South Carolina? There's, there's different factors that go into that. Like, would, would he still be there if, if Julian saying wasn't here? I don't know if the answer is completely, you know, 100 sure. A yes. So there's, there's different factors. I, I think the answer I would side with is probably a transfer guy. Now who that would be? I mean you look back at last year's class, obviously Mendoza ended up at Indiana. I know Georgia was kind of interested in, in him and, and he had some, you know, some, some interest from teams kind of on the recruiting scale. I know when car, when we Bill, I think it was, was it at or one of you guys might remember, were you at the Cotton bowl when Carson Beck entered the portal? And like I think there was a report that like Ohio State was interested in like what a, what a reality that would be if Carson Beck was the guy at Ohio State. I, I think my answer is they would have found someone in the portal, which would have been interesting. I mean, for Ryan Day to go back to back years with a quarterback out of the portal. For a guy who, you know, developed the C.J. strouds and, and the Kyle McCords and stuff like that, like to go the portal route would have been really interesting. I know Fields was a portal guy, but that, you know, he also came in and, you know, was developed too. I guess it's not like he was a fifth year guy like Will Howard who just came in. So it would have been interesting. Portal is probably my answer who that would be. I think you can have a fun time kind of talking about a bunch of alternate realities where it's like, I don't know, Indiana's not good because Fernando Mendoza's at Ohio State or something like that. Like it would be interesting to yeah. See how, how the Portal cycle would have gone had Ohio State actually, you know, needed a quarterback.
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Bill Landis
Yeah.
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Doug Lamoris
Bill, what do you think?
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Bill Landis
I think it would have been a Portal guy. I don't, I don't know that they would have just turned it over to Lincoln Keenholtz. I don't know. Even, even over the, the course of the season where Aaron Noland was here, you never got the sense that they thought he was a guy who'd be ready to take over the offense as a second year player. So I just, I just don't think Ryan Day would have left that the chance. Maybe he would have felt, I don't know what the right word is, a little, a little more emboldened, confident, I don't know, coming off of a national championship to just like let it ride out. And maybe it is like Lincoln Keenholtz who ends up the starter here. But, but I don't, I don't think Ryan Day would leave that much the chance with this position. So I think he would have gone into the Portal. So then again you just like look at who, who was there. You can cross up Nico Iamaliava because he was a spring transfer. I don't think they would have waited that long. I think we maybe be able to cross off a guy like John Matier because I don't know if he has like the high level throwing upside that Ryan Day would have coveted. And I think maybe the same thing is true of Jackson Arnold, although Jackson Arnold is a kid that Ryan Day really liked coming out of high school. So maybe that would, would have been more of a possibility than I'll give her credit for right now. I, I think it probably would have been, or at least it would have been Mendoza would have been the guy like probably tops on the list. I, I do think like Carson Beck in a different world would have gotten some consideration. I don't know if in the end Ohio State would have been willing slash able to pay what it would have cost to get Carson back. Perhaps the same thing is true of Darian Mensah, who went to Duke from Tulane and got a ton of money. I think Mendoza, though, he was one of the more coveted quarterbacks in the transfer portal, probably would have come with a lesser price tag than some of the other guys as well. In addition to like just from a scouting standpoint, probably being a better prospect. So I think probably would have been Mendoza. The other one I thought would be interesting is like Miller Moss, USC to Louisville. I think there's a world where Ryan Day not Dissimilar from Will Howard. They're not the same kind of player. But I think, like, background what he had done to that point, some of the intangible stuff. I think Ryan Day could have found himself liking Miller Moss, but. But Mendoza is my pick.
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Doug Lamoris
Doesn't it just, like, make you think, man, Nick Saban sure retired at a good time for Ohio State. Yeah, because we're, it's like, it's like Julian Saying is the most accurate quarterback in the history of college football. And if he was at Alabama, it might be the guy who went from Tulane to Duke. I don't know. It might be the guy who failed at USC and went to Louisville. If you go through this list of names, and again, it's this, it's this thing where I think you can simultaneously feel like you can get somebody in the portal or also feel like, oh, my God, you do not want to have to go portal shopping for a quarterback. Carson Beck, now at Miami. John Matier, now at Oklahoma. Fernanda Mendoza, now at Indiana. Darian Mensa, now at Duke. Connor Wegman, now at Houston. Miller Moss, now at Louisville. Bo Prabula, now at Missouri. Jackson Arnold, now at Auburn. I, I could maybe see a thing where, like, if you brought in, for instance, Miller Moss, that was one of the names I was going to say, like, would you bring it in? Not to bring in Miller Moss to be the starting quarterback, but like, all right, it's Miller Moss versus Lincoln Keenholtz. It's like that kind of thing. We're bringing in someone, we maybe even think it's 50, 50. We don't want to leave it just to Lincoln Keenholtz. And Tavian Sinclair is not going to be ready as a true freshman. And the thing that's hard in this evaluation, I think my answer is probably, maybe Miller Moss. But the hard thing about this evaluation is you end up looking at what guys do when they're not at Ohio State. And then it's like, well, is that what they would be? So I'm somewhat influenced by the flack, by the fact that Aaron Nolan went to South Carolina. The talk when he went there is like, hey, he's gonna be one play away behind Lenora Sellers. And then Lenora Sellers actually got hurt and they played a sixth year guy, Luke Doty, and started games with him instead of Aaron Nolan. It's like, okay, well, if Aaron Nolan wasn't, isn't even really the backup quarterback of South Carolina, could he have been the starter at Ohio State? But maybe, because I think we also go through this thing. Well, what if Drew Aller had gone to Ohio State? Would he be better? What if Quinn Ewer stayed at Texas? Would he be better? Right. You kind of do this thing. Well, you think like Ryan Day and this Ohio State system, all these receivers would have elevated a guy. So it can be very hard to judge. But the reason I wanted to ask it is because it doesn't feel like there's an obvious answer. And again, Nick Saban drives me nuts as an SEC blowhard on game day, but Ohio State fans owe him a debt and even Mark. Mark Pantoni was talking about that last week. My vote is Miller Moss. Joey Kaufman, what's your vote?
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Joey Kaufman
I actually think we should consider Devin Brown for a moment as the starting quarterback, which if there's no Julian saying he's probably a more secure backup quarterback. He was very close to starting in. In 23. So in the absence of an obvious candidate to, to be the starting quarterback out of the Portal, I think there's a pretty good chance it's. It's Brown and he doesn't transfer to Cal if there's no Julian same. That's a pretty unsatisfying answer because he's obviously not the starting quarterback at Cal. And I do think it would be the preference of Ryan Day to develop a quarterback over several years or at least a year and start him. But you look at the four times he's needed a starting quarterback in his tenure pre saying he went to the portal to address two of those with Fields and, and Howard. So I, I think it could be Devin Brown, but I'm hedging right now and basically talking down to both sides of. Of my mouth.
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Doug Lamoris
It's allowed on this show. It's encouraged.
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Joey Kaufman
Actually, I'm. Of the portal candidates, I'm most intrigued by Miller Moss because he has a profile which is pretty similar to Will Howard's where he had starting experience in the end of his eligibility time and was basically run off by his last program and so would have a little bit of an edge to him. And I think they liked that a lot with Howard and that type of. I have something to prove. Trey and Moss would bring that and then sort of a one final prove a year, which I think that was a good marriage with Howard and Day and Moss could have maybe fit that, that same sort of profile.
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Doug Lamoris
It's crazy. Go ahead, Stefan.
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Stefan Kreischnik
I was just. I think what's interesting about the Devin Brown thing too is like if, if we went into the spring and it was, let's say it's Devin Brown versus Lincoln Keenholes. You know, we're assuming it's not just handed to Devin Brown, right? Like, does a competition like that, like, would that spark something of like a spring portal interest, like a Nico? Like, you know, do you get through the spring and you're like, hey, Devin Brown isn't really it. Lincolnos isn't necessarily ready to be a starter. It's hard to envision Ryan Day ever finding a starting quarterback in the spring portal window and being like, all right, you're gonna come back from the summer and then you're gonna be QB1. Like it's, it's hard to envision that. But like that, that's probably the, the only path to like that ever happening. Right? It's like Devin and Lincoln just aren't as good as you hoped and now Nico's in the portal and you're like, this might be our best option, I guess.
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Bill Landis
Is there a world where the answer is Tavian Sinclair?
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Doug Lamoris
Didn't it really feel like Ryan Day just did, did not want to be in the business of playing a true freshman quarterback? Yeah, I, I, I, I thought you got that vibe in August that it was not even like a kinsman, a consideration. And I don't know that that that would have changed.
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Bill Landis
Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I don't and I don't think he would ever want to play a true freshman quarterback. But if there were ever a time to really lean into it, it would have been coming off of a national title.
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Stefan Kreischnik
Right.
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Bill Landis
And I think he could have gotten away with it. You're like, this is our guy. He's going to go through some bumps. But we have our, we have our national championship ring and like just wait for the payoff two and three years down the road after this guy starts for starts as a freshman. Right. So I think he could have sold it.
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Joey Kaufman
I, I thought about Tavian, but I thought the schedule probably dictated how they would have gone about maybe making their decision with Texas Week 1, where if you had the 2024 non conference schedule where it's the opening, it's Akron, Western Michigan and then Marshall, if that would have maybe, hey, you get a longer run, ramp up period for, for a true freshman.
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Doug Lamoris
It would be like the idea of, I guess if you just would have let Devin Brown and Lincoln Keenholtz battle it out in the spring, maybe declare a winner so the guy the loser transfers and then Tavian Sinclair is the backup. And now you're in a situation where I think Joey makes a good point about like we got to play a vet early on against Texas, but then maybe we're on Like Trevor Lawrence, 2018 Clemson freshman year alert, where the starter is Kelly Bryant. And okay, whether it's Brown or Keen Holtz, that's okay for now. But we're sitting here saying, like, when, when do you think Tavian Sinclair is going to start? When do you think Tavian Sinclair is going to start? Man, thanks, Nick. We'd be going. Can you imagine, Bill, this fan base would be going crazy right now if we were living in that world.
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Bill Landis
Yeah, well, the other, the other thing we didn't mention, like, and I guess, like, it doesn't only apply to this guy, but if Ohio State makes it known to the world that it needs a quarterback, who knows, who might jump in the portal. But if, if Julian Saying doesn't leave Alabama, maybe Ty Simpson does. And, and then Ty Simpson could be an option. Like, I don't. Ty Simpson prior to this year did not have a body of work necessarily, but he was a, a pretty highly regarded prospect. So a guy like that I think could have become an option for Ohio State too. Yeah.
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Doug Lamoris
Okay. Interesting discussion. I don't know, like, did, did Ohio State fans enjoy that discussion? They're like, why are you giving me a knot in my stomach over a thing that doesn't exist? Doug, pick better topics. Next up, why is Arvell Reese so good? See, that'll cleanse the palate for everybody. Actually, next up is, we want to remind you our friends@roback.com r h o b a c c k.com r h o b a C k.com cool collection of game day stuff. They got hoodies, they got quarter zips. Like fall is clearly here. We're in quarter zip season and they just have like kind of high level Ohio State stuff if you want to go check it out. It's just fun to look and then be like, oh man, I really have that. I, I like looking at quarter zips online and it just brings me joy. And then eventually maybe you'll get there and if you do and decide you want to do it, we got a code for you. B A D20 will get you 20% off your first order@roback.com use code BID20. Bill Landis, question number three. If and I, I don't even know if our, if there is one, but if there's an area or an issue that you think could trip up Ohio State this season that like, is, is potentially their Achilles heel, what is it?
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Bill Landis
Yeah, I don't know. That There's a glaringly obvious one, but I would say if the offensive line doesn't get back on track, I think is probably the things on most people's minds now, like there's seven games into the season, the next game they play is going to be November 1st. And we're asking the question of whether or not they have the right five guys starting on the offensive line. Right? That's not a great spot for a team to be in. I don't think it's detrimental because I would have said when they lost Josh Simmons, Simmons, and then lost Seth McLaughlin last year, like, well, season's over, we'll see in 2025 and that's clearly not what happens. So there are ways to work around it and work through it and land on the right five and, and then clean up some of the technique stuff that Ryan Day was alluding to during his press availability last week. But, but I do think both with the run blocking, with the pass blocking and then also just figuring out, do you have the right mix of guys playing. That is a rather large lingering question for Ohio State as it tries to position itself to be playing its best football into the postseason. So like, aside from that, I don't, I don't really know that there is one, but that is, that is one that is definitely front of mind for me.
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Doug Lamoris
I'm still a little bit lingering with the special teams and, and again, the idea that once upon a time made field goal might have given Ohio State another national championship. I just think they are so good in so many areas and if they play a great team, I think it could come down to, you know, field position battles based on punting. I think it could come down to can you make a 48 yard field goal when you need to in a tight spot? And it's hard to be great at everything, but it is, it does remain a little odd that as, as much as Ohio State has that I don't know that anybody inside or outside the building just like feel super confident when Ohio State's kicking, whether they're punting it or, or kicking a field goal. So I, I, I don't even know like, what, I don't know that there's much to be done about that because we've seen, you know, I think Ryan Day on purpose try to try some extra field goals and situations to work on this. But I just think it might get into the playoff and Ohio State might be the undefeated number one team in the country. And if they have a kick in a tight spot, I'M not sure that anybody's gonna feel that great about it. So, Joey, what are you thinking about this?
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Joey Kaufman
I agree with you because the way the games have gotten shorter in college football, the possessions are fewer, the margin fare is less. And so I think special teams is a, a good one. I think they didn't play a lot of close playoff games last year and that I would think inevitably that would change and you might need a kicker to be able to hit something from close to 50. I'll tell you something different though. I'll mention red zone offense. When you look at historically Ryan Day's teams when, when they've had first year starting quarterbacks, they've tended to, to really not always finish drives inside the 20, 21 and 23 were two years where they were about 64% offensive red zone touchdown percentage and 21. That was a big reason why they lost at Michigan that season was they kicked some field goals in the first half instead of getting some touchdowns and it was a close game at halftime and then Michigan ran away with it in the second half. But if they, they punch it in on some of those drives, it's, it's looking like a different game before the snowfall gets going. And then they've been over 70% red zone touchdown percentage in 22 and 24. Probably two of the best teams in recent memory. And this year they're, they're 68%. So it feels like it kind of could go either way. And with the first year starting quarterback and saying the windows are tighter there, things move faster and in a shortened game, possessions matter more, everything's more to premium. So if they are settling for field goals in that area in a playoff game, that could, that could buy them instead of punching and getting seven.
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Doug Lamoris
What do you have, Stefan?
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Stefan Kreischnik
Yeah, this would be a fun drinking game with friends. It's like, hey, four of you get in the circle. The guy who's fourth has to find a fourth thing to say about Ohio State and why the number one team in the country isn't good enough. I'll piggyback off Bill's point because like you said, Bill, like you're after you're coming out of your second bye week and you're not exactly sure who your starter at right guard is. That's not necessarily great. I think to add on top of that against Illinois and against Wisconsin, it's not like Philip Daniels was necessarily looking his best either. Right. I thought he was terrific against Texas and for most of the early part of the season and now it's you're at the midway point and here's a guy who's never been asked to, to play this many snaps and play at this high of a level and maybe there's kind of like a plateau or dip, whatever you want to call it. And if, if you got questions at right guard, it's not like Josh Pretty is necessarily like stealing that right guard spot, right? Like he's, he's still trying to prove himself. If right guards a question mark and right tackle is not necessarily the best. You look at the schedule and you look at some of the pass rushers that Ohio State could face, you know, whether it be Miami or Indiana or, or Oregon or, you know, even this weekend against Penn State, they've got guys who can get after the quarterback. They might not be a, a good team, but they have talented players who could make some trouble. And if, if you've got questions at right tackle along with right guard, I'm not saying that Ohio State's thinking about putting in Ian Moore, Ethan Owen Yawa, right tackle. I think that the solution is Philip Daniels. Play like you played early in the season and not like you played against Illinois and Wisconsin, but you did go into the byway kind of thinking like, all right, not a lot of questions about this offense and suddenly you're looking at the right side of the offensive line thinking it's. They don't look as clean against, you know, Illinois and Wisconsin as it did against, you know, Texas and some of the other non con opponents.
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Doug Lamoris
And Bill, you think we'll get a couple answers about this offensive line this week against Penn State with Stefan Said. It's a pretty good D line, right?
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Bill Landis
Yeah, it might be. It's probably the best Ohio State has seen since Texas. Like Illinois's got a decent front and Wisconsin I think it turns out has one too. If you saw what they did against Oregon this past weekend. But Penn State at least individually has some higher lever talent than those two teams now. Are they positioned to play their best? Jim Knowles I think is really tweaking with that defense to figure out exactly what, what they want to do and what's the best plan for them moving forward the rest of the season. But yes, it could be. I think it will be a pretty good test of where Ohio State's offensive line is. And I don't think it has to come out of the off week, you know, kind of firing in all cylinders. But you want to see some progress. You don't, you don't want to see as many breakdowns as we saw against Illinois and Wisconsin and you shouldn't. So that, that'll be the thing I think I'm watching maybe most closely in that game is, is what kind of shape the off is in because, you know, I How much will they be tested between Penn State and Michigan? Probably not very much, but once you get to Michigan and then beyond, you're going to be tested in every game up front and you want to be confident in your offensive line's ability to handle that. And there have been moments of like really high level play, as Stefan said. But these last couple weeks I think have been mildly concerning is the way that I would put it. But but concerning nonetheless and maybe maybe characterizes like not quite where it needs to be. If Ohio State wants to accomplish what it wants to accomplish this year.
- [35:48]
Doug Lamoris
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Joey Kaufman
I came during spring practice. April 1st was my first April Fool's Day. And it was there some spring practice media availability. I just remember the location, the setting of the way the media interviews people at Ohio State, being very different from my previous beat at usc, where you would talk to the head coach just after practice on the side of the practice field in front of palm trees, and just there'd be a gaggle of eight to 10 reporters, and you just huddled around him and you just sort of Shout some. Some questions. At Ohio State, you sit in the team auditorium. Everybody is sort of in certain seats each week. There's an SID jury, Emmett, who would call your name. Just the formality of it was more, I think, tightened up and buttoned up then in usc, just kind of huddled around whoever happened to be on the practice field.
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Doug Lamoris
Were you. You in panic? Were you panicking, or was that just me?
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Joey Kaufman
I was. I was probably just in a. You know, I couldn't tell you.
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Doug Lamoris
I think it was just. He's trying to be nice. Stefan, what do you remember? It wasn't that long ago for you.
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Stefan Kreischnik
I'll. I'll back you up. I. I had a little bit of panic. I. Yeah, I, I, I vividly remember. So my first, like, assignment was Big Ten media days. So that kind of, like, I had done SEC media days. So, like, it wasn't necessarily, like, like, a jump scare. I do remember my first Ryan Day presser being like, why are there so many people in this room right now? Yeah, I. I never in my life that I think I was gonna walk into a presser. And, like, I hope I get a question today because there's so many people who want to ask questions like that. Like, I covered Mississippi State. It was like if I had three questions for Mike Leach. I had three questions for Mike Leach. Like, let it rip, you know, so. So that, like, the size of the beat definitely struck with me first. And being like, okay, what? Like, you better, like, you better come to the pressers. Prepare. Because once, like, it started like that, where I think I didn't get a question, my first presser, and I was like, all right. Like, I gotta, you know, gotta. Gotta earn it. Stuff like that. And then I didn't raise my hand. And Jerry called on me, like, the next week, and I was like, all right, like, now I'm not ready for this at all. Like, Gary, like, you got. You gotta give me a heads up, my guy. So, yeah, a little bit. A little bit of panic at the start. I, like, the size of the beat is what just stuck with me. And like, Doug, I. I talked to you a bit about this last week. Like, there's. This is not to say, like, other beats are stupid. Like, other beats have very intelligent reporters. But, like, the level of, like, football knowledge required to cover Ohio State definitely struck with me just because there's not a lot of schools where, like, hey, who slides into nickel when Lorenzo Styles goes down like that? It doesn't, like, matter, right? Because, like, I don't know, Mississippi State's going to play Texas. Like, it doesn't matter who the backup nickel is. Like, if the starting nickel goes down, you're screwed and you're probably screwed in the starting people was playing, you know, so it's like that type of stuff too is is fascinating to me where a lot of places it's like, all right, who's gonna start? Like, feel good, feel good story. Like, hey, this three star developed into starter. Now he's starting against Georgia where at Ohio State it's like, hey, you're, you're 12 0. But Lorenzo's not playing his best so like are you gonna move Jermaine? It's like, what's it matter? You know, like that's what there's other schools. It's like, what's it matter? And at Ohio State it's like, you, you better be ready because like you might not. I'm not saying everyone has to be like an X's and O's expert to cover Ohio State, but like, there is a general level of football knowledge that for me it was like, you better re watch these games, like understand what's going on because like you're gonna get laughed when it comes on this stuff.
- [42:52]
Doug Lamoris
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Bill Landis
My first day on the beat, like officially was the opener of the 2014 season against Navy I in Baltimore. I found out that I was going to be covering Ohio State either two days or the day before that game was being played. And I can't remember, Doug, if I spoke with you or Ari to like kind of coordinate how we were going to get there or more specifically like how I was going to get there because I never really traveled for work prior to that either. Like, I had been a high school sports reporter and like, when I did cover college football, I didn't travel to cover road games. Never had to like stay in hotels or anything like that. So like, all that was very foreign to me. So I remember I was living in Cleveland. You guys were obviously living in Columbus. I drove down, I guess it's 77 to Cambridge, and I met you guys in Cambridge, Ohio, and left my car in the Walmart parking lot and then hopped into rental car with you and Ari and Ben Axelrod was also in the car and we drove to Baltimore together. And I was probably quiet and terrified the entire time because I wasn't 100 certain what I had gotten myself into, both with the job and who I was working with. And then I don't even remember much of like the first game, to be honest. I know it was like a closer game than Ohio State wanted it to be. And I know the first story that I wrote was like Urban Meyer trashing the offensive line after the game, saying the offensive line was not Ohio State standard. And I think that's the first story I wrote. But yeah, it was all. It was all kind of of a nervous blur for me. I also remember we did like, because that was back in the day with cleveland.com we always. And you guys still do this@cleveland.com the stand up videos. The three of us just like shooting a three minute video about what's gonna happen. We used to do those pre game, so we had one before Ohio State. Navy's like, I don't know anything. I know that Braxton Miller's hurt. I know Braxton Miller shirt and J.T. barrett's the quarterback. And that is the extent of my Ohio State knowledge as I get ready to go on this video to talk on the Internet about the Buckeyes and pretend that I'm an expert. So there was a lot of fake it till you make it and involved there too, those first couple days.
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Doug Lamoris
And I, I remember that weekend because that game was in Baltimore and it was on my birthday. And after the game, like, I was mad that we couldn't find anywhere good to eat. Like on my birth. Sure. You were like, oh my God, why am I working with her? My God. He's complaining about like, I don't want to eat chicken fingers on my birthday. I want like a pork chop. It's like, you should have left.
- [46:16]
Bill Landis
We went. We ended up at like McCormick and Schmidt's or something like that, like in the inner harbor down there. And like, but they Were like we walked in like 30 minutes before they were closing. They're like, I guess you can have dinner. It's like, okay, yeah, sorry bro.
- [46:31]
Doug Lamoris
All right, so. So the last one is, is similar and we're gonna have Joey and Stefan but like Joey just like the differences. So you covered USC like for good and for bad. You talked about it a little bit like. But the differences of that beat and this beat. How different was your previous college football beat experience to what you wound up doing here covering Ohio State?
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Joey Kaufman
Pretty different. And part of that was the way USC functioned at the time. Doesn't exist in this world of college role anymore. Pete Carroll ran the program in the, in their arts and it was very open, very accessible. The practices were open to the media in their entirety and Tim Teslone was the longtime sports information director there. And they had a very much an open doors policy. And that largely continued in the decade after that when they hired former assistant coaches Lane Kibbe and Steve Sarkeesian and Clay Hilton. And I was there Clay Hilton's year. So 16, 17, 18. And you could watch the Tuesday Wednesday practice in their entirety and take attendance. Who was there? Who's running with the first team? Did the quarterback throw interception today? So in 2016, my first year on that beat. They had a. Max Brown began the season the starting quarterback, a former five star kid who was fourth year at the time and he beat out Sam Darnold in a, in a preseason competition. But USC was one of the two at the time and they were going to play Utah and, and during practice Sam Darnold was taking all the first team reps. And so after practice they have to make Max Brown and Sam Darnold available to us. And they explained that, that Sam Darnold is now going to be the starting quarterback. I mean that was just. That sort of thing doesn't exist anymore. And certainly we were not watching the Tuesday Wednesday practices at Ohio State and taking account of who's taking reps and all that. Yeah, Clay since been replaced by Lincoln Riley who does not take the same posture toward the. The local media. So that has changed at usc. But I kind of caught the tail end of some, some pretty accessible media years. And even after practices, Tuesday would be the day where offensive players could talk and you would just ask which players you'd want to talk to and catch them coming off the field. Wednesday was defense.
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Doug Lamoris
Wow, wow, wow. Ancient days. That's like Tim May tell stories about that from like 1984, you know, like just hanging out on the sideline with the coach and watching all the practice. But to think that it was still happening at USC not that long ago. Stefan, you obviously talked about a little bit, but like again for good for like just a sea change from where what you were doing before or a lot of. Or some similarities.
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Stefan Kreischnik
Yeah, I mean it was pretty different. I. This might come as a shock to you guys. Ryan Day operates in a way like a much different manner than Mike Leach did. Not very similar personalities, even though they're both prolific, you know, passing attack minds, you know, leech for. For as much as. As he went viral for some of his interactions with the media. Sometimes him just being funny, sometimes him, you know, willingly coming at reporters. He was like very open. Like we fall camp. Like every practice was open from start to finish. You could basically report on anything that happened. That during it. His explanations were always funny because he was like, I don't know, I'm gonna run Y cross. So like whether you see it or not, like I've been doing it for 50 years and it's worth. So I don't. I don't really care if you like come out and are like, Will Rogers threw a deep route in white Cross, like, look out sec. Like you're not. You're not gonna see that coming from Mike Leach. So, so covering Mike Leach was. Was obviously a blast. I think the SEC too, like specifically as it pertains to Mississippi State and our paper clearing ledger based in Jackson. I lived in Starkville and we cut. We had. We had a beat writer who covered Ole Miss as well. Like it's, it's. It was so fascinating to me. I grew up northwest Indiana. Like I went to. I went to iu, I went to Indiana. But like growing up northwest Indiana, I didn't really care too much about college sports at the start. It was Bears, Bulls, Blackhawks for me, as White Sox, obviously a lot of people, Cubs fans. Like, it's so pro sports based that like when I got to Mississippi, I think the. The most jarring thing for me was like, this is their pro team. Like I covered Mississippi State basketball and Mississippi State baseball as intently as. As football. Like every recruit mattered, every game mattered. Like that is. That is their pro teams. And I think that's. You get that in a lot of SEC towns. Like outside of. I wasn't there when, when Texas and Oklahoma were part of it. So like, you know, Texas is at an element with Austin, but like it was really just Vandy with Nashville. That was like an sec like SEC team combating with like a city Right. Whereas, like, so much of these towns, like, everything that's going on is. Is revolving around these schools. Whereas, you know, you. You get to the Big Ten, it's like, I don't know, like, there's a lot of people at IU who spent their Saturday instead of going to watch a crappy IU team play, they drove up because they were going to go to a Colts game on Sunday or like in. In Columbus, obviously, there's. There's the Blue Jackets, but also the, The Bengals and the Browns take up so much space, whereas, like, you didn't have that in Mississippi. So that, that was always the, the fascinating part for me, like, growing up near Chicago and then going to do that, it was like, you know, you walk down the street and everyone knows who you are because, like, you're covering. Like, you're covering, like, the team. Like, yeah, we say football or Mississippi State sports, I should say, and like nothing else. And I, I think that's a fascinating part of it. But I did, Doug. I came prepared because I knew I was going to talk highly of covering an SEC team and, and how fun that was. Not that, not that covering Ohio State isn't fun, but I came prepared because I was like, I. I can't. Come on, Doug. Doug and Bill's show and speaks so highly.
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Doug Lamoris
Oh.
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Stefan Kreischnik
Oh, wow. Okay. Okay, that's. That's jarring to see the, The Georgia head on you. But I, I wanted, like, a stat. I wanted something to give you some level of Big Ten supremacy. Like, I needed to bring you some Big Ten supremacy as. As a Big Ten grad, myself and Joey, you're. You're a Dodgers fan, right? Right.
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Joey Kaufman
Myself. So.
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Stefan Kreischnik
So I went through. I went through the World Series rosters. Blue Jays. Right. And. And what does the SEC have, like, no questions asked? Supremacy is baseball, right?
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Bill Landis
Yeah.
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Stefan Kreischnik
Two guys from SEC teams on the World Series rosters. Kind of two guys from the Big Ten. They. There's a guy from Iowa and there's a guy from UCLA, but they were technically the PAC 12, but I. We can count that, right?
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Doug Lamoris
Okay. Yeah.
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Stefan Kreischnik
Three guys from Max schools in the World Series, so.
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Doug Lamoris
Wow.
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Stefan Kreischnik
I. I think the Mac and the Big Ten, I think Midwest now we. We can cherry pick stats, right? Like, I didn't count guys who committed and then went out of high school. Right. Like, there was a decent amount of guys like that, but like big tennis or Big Ten and Mac baseball supremacy. Wow. I'm presenting that.
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Doug Lamoris
That.
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Stefan Kreischnik
That's yours now if you want it, Doug.
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Joey Kaufman
Wow.
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Doug Lamoris
A bonus cram it to the SEC about the World Series. Who knew? What a treat. What a treat to end this edition of around the Shoe. Stefan, thanks for bringing that to the table, brother. We will. We will work that out.
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Stefan Kreischnik
I would have loved. I would have loved to count Kyle Schwarber in that, but sorry.
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Bill Landis
Come on, man. That's right.
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Stefan Kreischnik
We all.
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Bill Landis
We all cherish the days that Shohei Ohtani played for Ball State so.
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Doug Lamoris
Well, That'll wrap it up for this edition of around the Shoe. We appreciate Joey Kaufman and Stefan Kreischnik for being here with us. Joey, where can the people find you anything you want to promote about what you're doing over there at the Columbus Dispatch?
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Joey Kaufman
Just, just stay tuned for. For our coverage. Dispatch.com you can find me on social media.
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Doug Lamoris
Joey Arkoff and Stefan, what do you guys got popping there@cleveland.com?
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Stefan Kreischnik
Yeah, cleveland.com or cleveland.com OSU and social media at Skra J I S N I K3. Yeah, it should be a fun season here. Down to stretch covering Ohio State.
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Bill Landis
I'm.
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Stefan Kreischnik
I'm excited to see. I mean, five games in November. Like, that's. Yeah, that feels like a lot, doesn't it?
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Doug Lamoris
Yeah, it's a lot of ball. A lot of ball. A lot of pumpkins. A lot of ball. We appreciate you guys being here. We appreciate this audience. If you want to follow those guys, please, please take in their work. If you like around the shoe, give us a. Like, give us a thumb. Make sure you're subscribed so you get all the coverage here about Ohio State and college football on the Bill and Doug Show. But for now, many thanks to Joey, to Stefan, and for Bill Landis. I'm Doug Lemurice. That was around the Shoe on the Bill and Doug Show. AI agents are everywhere, automating tasks and making decisions at machine speed. But agents make mistakes. Just one rogue agent can do big damage before you even notice. Rubrik Agent cloud is the only platform that helps you monitor agents, set guardrails, and rewind mistakes so you can unleash agents, not risk. Accelerate your AI transformation@rubrik.com that's R U B R-I K.com.