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Oregon vs. Iowa, BYU vs. Texas Tech, Notre Dame vs. Navy: National college football picks
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If Oregon wants to continue to compete at the top of college football, going to Iowa on Saturday and taking care of business is what the Ducks need to do to prove they are a truly elite program.
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Bill Landis
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Doug Lamoriello
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Doug Lamoriello
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Doug Lamoriello
And when. When it's blue, that's what we'll talk about. Yeah.
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Bill Landis
Isn't that a good little.
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Doug Lamoriello
Yeah.
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Bill Landis
Yeah. So we'll try to do it sometimes, like in your podcast feed. We'll Try to make it blue. When it's a national thing. The playoff show on Tuesday nights is national. The Friday national picks. Sometimes we do a postgame show that's national, not just Ohio State. Sometimes my rants on Mondays are national, not just Ohio State. Six games, we're focused on two. At the end, we'll run through four. Notre Dame, Navy, Wake Forest, Virginia, Northwestern, USC and Washington, Wisconsin. No SEC games this week because I'm sick of picking against Alabama and saying the same stuff about the SEC. There's another couple games with mediocre top 25 SEC teams playing each other. I didn't want to pick them and you were generous enough to allow us to ignore them this week.
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Doug Lamoriello
We're not going to pick them, but just to have it on record, can you give me a winner in Alabama? Lsu, please.
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Bill Landis
Lsu, of course. Come on. Now that Brian Kelly's out of there. Come on.
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Doug Lamoriello
Yeah. It would be hilarious. Yeah.
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Bill Landis
You can't feed me heaping helpings of preseason nuss hype and then not have nuss take down the Tide. Right. I probably won't be able to watch it because I still. I have a blank screen on my TV when it comes to the ESPN and sec. So they just. Poof, they're out of my head. But we have two major games that we're going to focus on early. We'll still pick those other four. BYU, Texas Tech. Big 12 banger. Historic proportions. I had no idea how historic this game is. But we're going to open with Oregon, Iowa, and I've been watching stuff and I'm wondering, Bill, Oregon, Iowa at Kinnick Stadium on Saturday. It is not an easy place to play, Bill. Right. Like, we acknowledge that. Like Pinnock, Kinnick Stadium ain't no joke. So you can't just march in there. Indiana found that out. Indiana was pushed to the wire by Iowa this year. Penn State went in there and lost. This is a 3:30 kick on CBS. Iowa is a home dog getting six and a half. But really, to me, this is about Oregon. And I do think there's some a little bit percolating about. Are we sure Oregon is good? Do you think there are some Oregon doubters out there?
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Doug Lamoriello
Yes, I think there are some. I don't think there. There are a lot of them, but I think there's some people wondering what exactly to make of sort of the. The sandwich around the big win that Oregon had against Rutgers. It was like, ran Rutgers off the field, but prior to that they lost Indiana. Then after that they had a kind of a Weird close game with Wisconsin. So what exactly does that mean? And their Oregon is not helped by kind of being in a conference with especially Ohio State, which is really has not played close with anybody in Indiana who for the most part has not played close with anybody other than Oregon itself and Iowa. I guess. But yes, I think there are some, some folks curious. Exactly. Like what, what the ceiling is for this Oregon team.
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Bill Landis
Yeah. And this. It's just weird that the schedule, how it's worked out like that Oregon at Penn State game was one of the biggest games of September. People were looking forward to it all off season. You and I were looking forward to it all off season. And then this Indiana game where Indiana goes to Oregon and they're two gigantic games and one is a double overtime win that now doesn't matter in a lot of people's minds because Penn State stinks. And the other is Indiana comes in their place and beats them and it's like, oh, now that's right. I mean it's, it's a loss, it's a loss against Oregon when Indiana is one of the two best teams in the country. So I do think it's an interesting spot for how people view Oregon. That. And then they have a bunch of games. It's like they blew out Oklahoma State, but nobody cares. Right. They blew out Rutgers, but nobody cares. And they're going to have this stretch. We've talked about this Final Four game stretch a lot. Iowa, usc, Minnesota, Washington, where they're going to play teams that are going to build up their resume that are going to tell us something about Oregon. But I think if people are doubting Oregon too much, they're wrong.
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Doug Lamoriello
Yeah. Well, I think two things can be true.
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Bill Landis
Right.
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Doug Lamoriello
Like you can, if you're doubting Oregon, you can be wrong. But I also think you can be, you know, you can acknowledge the fact that Iowa is also good. Right. Like, can I, can I like live on both sides of that? Can I not being a total doubting Oregon Mo. But also think that Iowa can win this game?
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Bill Landis
So I guess so I went back and refreshed myself. The two games that I wanted to watch, to refresh myself were Indiana, Iowa. Iowa won 20 to 15 in Kinnick against the number two team in the country and Wisconsin, Oregon. Both these teams are coming off their second off week, so they should be refreshed, they should be healthy, they should be a rare and to go. And I. So if you are saying that you think Iowa can win, but that's not really about doubting Oregon. Right. What do you like best about Iowa that makes you think, heck, I just think Iowa can win this game because Iowa's good.
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Doug Lamoriello
Their Iowa's defense, Iowa's ability to score in all three phases, which is like a weird thing to like almost expect from anyone that they are. I think for this particular game that it's in Kinnick. I'm actually, I was looking through as you were talking. I believe this is right. Like the last time Iowa has played a top 10 team. Oh, no, that's not even right too. I'm trying to find the last time Iowa played a top 10 team in Kinnick and lost by double digits. And I'm back to 2017 and I haven't found one yet.
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Bill Landis
So.
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Doug Lamoriello
That'S part of it.
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Bill Landis
Do you have some examples that you can throw at us about just looking at that and circumstances when Iowa has welcomed a highly ranked, talented team and giving them a stinking dog fight in Iowa City?
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Doug Lamoriello
Sure. I'll just start in this 2017 season that I'm in. Number four, Penn State, went to Kinnick and won 21 19. Number six, Ohio State, went to Kinnick that year and lost 55 to 24.
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Bill Landis
Yep. Nothing.
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Doug Lamoriello
The following year, 19. Number 10, Penn State went to Kinnick and won 17 to 12.
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Bill Landis
Yep.
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Doug Lamoriello
Also that year, number eight, Minnesota, went to Kinnick and lost 23 19.
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Bill Landis
Yep.
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Doug Lamoriello
I'll go to 2021. It's a lot of Penn State. Number four, Penn State went to Kinnick & 1 or so. Excuse me. Lost 23 20.
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Bill Landis
Okay.
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Doug Lamoriello
Penn State has not had a great time in Kinnick Stadium. I think, as we know, number four, Michigan, in 2022 went to Kinnick and won 2714. So I guess that's the last time a team has won by double digits was 2022.
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Bill Landis
Okay.
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Doug Lamoriello
But there have been other close ones there. 23, nothing there. And then last year, nothing last year. So. But they've all been kind of closer for that one Michigan game going back to 2017.
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Bill Landis
What did you. So I will say this. Let's start with the. The Iowa Indiana game. Indiana won 20 to 15. Fernando Mendoza took a safety at the end of that game. So it was really 2013. It was 1313 and I. Indiana scored on like a little quick hit or RPO where a guy broke a tackle and there was no safety help there and he was gone. But in that game, Indiana was stopped twice on 4th and 1 on what I thought. I mean, they were completely blown up in the backfield. So immense credit to the Iowa defense. But also didn't feel like there's any creativity of the run plays. And Indiana's offensive line got overwhelmed on two critical fourth and ones. One near midfield, one around the Iowa 25 yard line. And then Fernando Mendoza threw a pick. I think it was intercepted like inside the 20. So. But maybe the snap was outside the 20. So that was like a critical thing. Indiana did out gain Iowa in that game. Indiana got a hand on a punt in that game. There was some, just some like weird stuff early on. But the one thing in that game I will say is Indiana could not run the ball at all. They averaged like 2.7 yards a carry. And I think Indiana tried to run it almost 40 times in that game. And that is a heck of a thing. 39 carries for 104 yards for Indiana in that game. In the overall stats.
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Doug Lamoriello
For a team that's run the ball for 300 yards five times this year for a team like that, that.
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Bill Landis
But I, I also think maybe Oregon's run game is even maybe a little better than Indiana's. So I'm curious about the matchup there, but how impressed are you? I'm. I'm living a little bit on what they did against Wisconsin. They. So I, I want. Let's hope. How impressed, how impressed. How impressed are you with the Iowa defense and like what they've done. Not just they did the same thing against Penn State, they're 6 and 2. They have the Indiana loss, they have an Iowa State loss. And they've just been playing that Iowa standard of defense.
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Doug Lamoriello
Yeah, I think it's an Iowa defense. It's like they don't. The thing that was weird about that Indiana touchdown that won that game in the fourth quarter is like Iowa blitz. It was like a zero blitz. You don't see that a lot from Iowa. So they kind of, they, they do it the way they've sort of always done it. They don't have. There have been obviously people know the, the not household names, but like incredibly good, kind of like singular talents on Iowa's defense over the years. I don't know that they have exactly that, but they just have a lot of guys, I think you understand the system who are like, they're good up front. They're stout up front, strong up front. They're not like super twitchy and athletic up front. I think the secondary is pretty good, safeties are good, corners are probably fine. But I think by and large it's like a traditional Iowa defense. They. The one thing they're not good at is they're not good in the red zone. But they make it really difficult to drive the ball down the field. But if you are able to do that, they do have a pretty high red zone touchdown percentage.
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Bill Landis
Okay, so Iowa defense, stout Phil Parker, awesome play, connected. Do all the things Iowa defense does.
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Doug Lamoriello
Iowa, you didn't mention in the, in the Indiana game, Marker Nowski got hurt. Hank Brown threw 13 passes in that game. He was five or 13 and threw a pick late.
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Bill Landis
I can feel it. Oh my God. You're riding with Kirk Ference. You're building the case. He's building the case.
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Doug Lamoriello
My case is that Iowa turns everyone into Iowa when they play in Kinnick Stadium. And I don't know that Oregon is impervious to that.
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Bill Landis
Yes, I, I think that certainly is the case. I'm, I, I am not sure what to think. Mark Gronowski since the Indiana game, 17 of 24 for 107 passing yards against Wisconsin. But it was 37 to nothing. Like he didn't need to do any more than that. 10 of 16 for 68 yards against Penn State and one point win. But he ran for 131 of that. A bunch of that was on a 67 yard run where Penn State was horrible tackling Minnesota. They blew Minnesota off the field. He was 12 of 19 for 135 yards. Like, does it matter? Like they're off the offense is scoring points. Does it, does it make sense for me to read the stats of an Iowa quarterback when in its wins, Iowa has scored 34, 47, 38, 37, 25 and 41. We're not talking about a team that's trying to win in the teens like they have in the past. So who cares if their quarterback's throwing for 117 yards per game? They don't.
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Doug Lamoriello
Yeah, they don't throw for many yards. But he's been like fairly efficient the last couple of games though, hasn't he, Gronowski? I think that's important. Like can Iowa find opportunities to move the chains throwing the ball? I think is, is, yeah, something that could be a little different as he's gotten like more, more and more comfortable, which I think is clear and healthier. Probably like 13 of 20 against Minnesota. 65. He's. He was 56 and 54 in the first two games, including a loss to Iowa State. And he's been like north of 65 in almost every game since then, including 72 against Wisconsin.
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Bill Landis
Yeah, Kamari Moulton's a good back. 82 carries, 435 yards on the season, 5.3 yards per carry. But they still like, this is not a. And again, I think there's been this thing of like, damn, man, you put like a real quarterback with this Iowa defense and you've got something. I'm not sure where I am on the. You put a real quarterback part because we knew, we thought Mark Konowski was a huge transfer, incredibly successful at the FCS level. Won the FCS Heisman like a real dude like coming in and, and it felt like he was going to change everything about Iowa offensively. But I, I don't know that it's gotten all the way there. And he did make some throws like, right. You find, you talk about the efficiency when he was in there against Indiana. It's like you find some throws like, well, he just made a throw that they needed right there and he found a way to do it. I'm not, I don't know if Oregon's gonna let him do that. And this like Oregon's talented and I just don't know if they might need more from Mark Gronowski than they've asked of him at any point this season so far.
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Doug Lamoriello
Yeah, they probably will. I think he's what he's ended up being is sort of like a minor upgrade as a passer, but he gives him a very different element as a runner, I think. I don't know how far that gets you against a team like Oregon, but I was just like, I was curious mostly to see how much quarterback run Oregon's defense has faced this year and the answer was like not much at all. They are, they are on the lower end of the FBS teams in terms of just like total number of designed quarterback runs they face this year. So doesn't mean they can't stop it because the little bit that they have seen the average is fine, but the average per carry is fine. But I wonder how much of a wrinkle that might be for Oregon's defense to try to stop in this game. But yeah, if it becomes a game where Granovsky needs to throw to keep Iowa in the game, I am certainly not super confident in that either.
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Bill Landis
I do think it's more about Oregon Oregon last time out I just rewatched the whole Oregon Wisconsin game again. Both these teams are coming off their second off week. Oregon won that game 217 at home against a bad Wisconsin team. Oregon onside kicked to open the game and recovered it and then did nothing with it. Very slow start by Oregon. I think they might have punted the first four times they had the ball in that game. So like, like very throw, very slow, very slow start. Their first four possessions Oregon was stopped on downs and then punted three times after that. Against Wisconsin they went on a 16 play, 99 yard, 8 minute and 24 second touchdown drive. Their next drive was seven plays 75 yards for a touchdown and Dante Moore their quarterback got hurt in the middle of that drive. Their next drive they punted and their next drive with the backup quarterback was another touchdown drive 54 yards. You look at the scoreboard and it's 217 against a bad Wisconsin team. You look at the reality and the reality is after a slow start they put together a 99 yard drive with their guy, then their guy got hurt and they still finished. Two more touchdown drives with their new backup quarterback. In a downpour at Oregon they just downshifted. But they also with three minutes left leading 21 7, ran a fake punt and threw for a touchdown on a fake punt in the final three minutes of a two score game that was called back by a hold. So they opened with an onside kick, they threw an unnecessary fake punt for a touchdown at the end in a game they only scored 21 but they continued to be ruthless. And actually I thought in watching it it was actually a pretty impressive performance by a team in bad weather with a backup quarterback to just make sure the game didn't get away from them. But they also had that pedal down Dan Lanning attitude. And I came away thinking that win was a positive for Oregon. And now with Dante Moore back healthy with the week off, I'm wondering if we get the full Oregon because I like, I think they know they might have some doubters and that makes me curious about what a Dan Lanning team might be about to do.
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Doug Lamoriello
Iowa was off as well, right?
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Bill Landis
Yes, both off.
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Doug Lamoriello
Yeah. I just don't know that the shenanigans work against Iowa. And maybe it's just that that Oregon is like way more talented and that'll show up. Certainly that's possible. But I don't think like throw your fake punts and your trick plays in a trash can. I don't think they're going to work against Iowa. So it is one of those things, especially at home.
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Bill Landis
Like why did Kurt Signetti could not talk more about. Kurt Signetti has been completely dismissive of some teams this year. He was completely dismissive of Illinois when they beat him by 60. He could not have been more respectful before, during and after the Iowa game, Kurt Signetti, like Kirk Ference walked so Kirk Signetti could kick you in the face, right? Like this is like, this is Kirk Ferenc's dream. Kurt Signetti is like what he wishes he could be if Kirk Ferenc had a little bit more swag. Right. But there's an inherent how you go about your business thing. And that style of play went to Eugene and beat the Ducks up and down the field all night. So now you're saying if Signetti did that to Oregon, now Oregon's got to try to come into Kinnick. You think Iowa could do a version of a similar thing?
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Doug Lamoriello
Yeah, I do because I think, I think Iowa can block Oregon. I think Iowa might actually have the best offensive line in the country. I don't know. The matchup I'm interested in is like Oregon's offensive line against and against Iowa's defensive front. And if Oregon, to your point, like might actually be able to run it on them because if they can, then I don't like it. Could be a lot, could be a long day for, for Iowa. I think you have two, like very aggressive special teams operations here. So they almost like cancel each other out to me and I, yeah, I, I think like with a week to prepare, extra week to prepare both Oregon or, excuse me, Iowa might have something. But I know that like Iowa is not going to get like out coached in this game. They Might just get out talented. But if it's, if it, if they're home, they have the crowd. There's going to be some weather in this game too. Like I think it's gonna be pretty cold and rainy and like potentially by the end of the game maybe some snow flurries. That could be like a minor factor. Game's played on turf. I don't want to pretend like it's going to be more than it is, but I don't know. I just think there are things lining up for Iowa to not get run off the field here. But I don't, I don't. I'm not like super confident they're going to win necessarily because I think even if Iowa can block Oregon and Mark Gronowski in theory has time to throw like, who's he throwing to like that, that's, that still remains an issue for Iowa. And this is not the same like Iowa offense we saw when they couldn't throw. But at least they had Caleb Johnson ripping off six 60 yard touchdown runs.
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Bill Landis
Right?
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Doug Lamoriello
That's, that's not exactly how they operate. So unless Oregon is just sort of woefully under prepared for handling quarterback run, I still think it's going to be tough for Iowa to move the ball consistently against Oregon.
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Bill Landis
You know, we thought like Dante Moore was a, was a Heisman candidate in September and then the Indiana loss when he threw two picks in that game and kind of kind of wiped him off the field a little bit. Got sacked six times in that game by Indiana. And so this to me like to, to. If Oregon, Oregon was cruising along last year. They were the only regular season undefeated team last year. They get destroyed by Ohio State in their first playoff game. Kurt Signetti comes in their place and out physicals them if they can't, if they go to Kinnick and lose does how much does that change our view of what Dan Lanning and Oregon actually are? Because I, you know, a year ago at this time heading into the playoff it was like this is the greatest program without a national title. Dan Landing might be the best coach in the country. They are physical and ruthless, but they also will bring like a little, you know, trickery to the thing. They're good on both sides of the ball. They recruit, they work the transfer portal. Oregon's got it all. But if you lose to Ohio State, Indiana and Iowa in 11 months, what are we talking about?
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Doug Lamoriello
Talking about a problem winning big games, I think because you don't even get any credit for beating Penn State.
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Bill Landis
I know.
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Doug Lamoriello
Anymore. Right? Yeah. So but that like, you know, we, we heard a little bit about that before they. Oregon won the Ohio State game last year because Dan Lanning had not coached well against Washington in this first couple of years. So yeah, I don't. The, the sample size is probably not large enough for us to like go start deviating in the James Franklin territory with Dan Lanning. But I think if they were to lose this game, you might start hearing some of that.
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Bill Landis
Yeah, I think this is a huge gut check about what Oregon actually is. This is a team that. Beginning of the year, you and I were saying three best teams in the country. Ohio State, Oregon, Miami. Miami has thrown that away. Is Oregon about to throw that away? We thought they were that talented. Are they about to throw it away or that Kurt Signetti and Kirk Farrance are ripping it out of their hands? Hey, like Danny boy, like, you know Kurt, Kirk and Kurt, like sitting on the porch smoking stogies in the rocking chairs, talking about like, oh, Dan Lanning, he thinks the grass is greener over there. Haha. Like what? Like, come on, that's what this. You're setting this up. Are you picking Iowa?
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Doug Lamoriello
No, I'm not picking Iowa. No, I'm thinking I want to cover, but I'm not picking.
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Bill Landis
Yeah, I thought you were getting, I thought you were all the way there. I thought you were gonna Gornowski and Ference your way all the way through.
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Doug Lamoriello
The thing that kept me from doing it is that Dante Moore is really good at protecting the ball. Like I think the recipe for Oregon to win needs to involve like a pick six and a special team score. And for. Yeah, for Iowa to win. I, I don't, I don't know that I see that happening. With Dante Moore at quarterback, I think he might encounter some struggles. Right. It's a tough defense to play against, but he's been, he's been really good at like sort of not putting the ball in harm's way. So I think that that will be. It's sort of the, it's the only, it's the only thing you notice like when it goes wrong the other way. But like if he gets through this game, not turning the ball over, being smart with it, that that will be I think a pretty under underrated reason for why Oregon wins. So I have Oregon winning 21:17. So like, and like a turnover could flip it I think for Iowa, but I don't know that it'll happen.
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Bill Landis
Okay, I have 2713 Oregon. I still have some questions about whether the Iowa offense against a pretty good Defense can really do enough. And this is, like I said, this is. If Oregon is who we thought they were, you have to go handle your business here. Right? So even though we have the list, there's been plenty of good teams that have not been. But like, part of the whole thing is, you know, Ohio State got their doors blown off that one time in Kinnick. Right. But a lot of that, what you said it and you mentioned is like, oh, that's Penn State struggling at Kinnick. And that's like the. Exactly the kind of thing that Penn State in that air, like that doesn't that. Was that what Oregon wants to be? Does Oregon want to be Penn State.
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Doug Lamoriello
Or does the spot is currently vacant if they'd like to fill it, but.
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Bill Landis
Do they want to be more than Penn State? So like, if you, if you don't, like, if you think you are more than Penn State, then you go in and you handle this. You don't struggle, you don't, you don't win a game in the teens by three, right? So I do and I just think they have enough, they have enough to do it. But again, like you can, you can go through this stuff. They, they a slow start. They got hit in the backfield by Wisconsin there. That's the thing, like Wisconsin was like enough of a test defensively, I think especially up front. They got a couple sacks early on. Dante Moore, they got beat on some stuff. They got hit in the backfield early and it was like, what is happening here? But then when they needed it, they ran the ball and Noah Whittington and Jordan Davison and Jordan Davidson has been a revelation for them so far this season. They combined for 30 carries for 199 yards in that Wisconsin game. And they like the second half, they kind of were gashing them with regularity when there wasn't much to the past game. So that's what I'm imagining. Can they get to that point, right? And maybe, maybe this is close early, but then can you lean on a good defense late and run the ball? But then also if you have Dante Moore doing a little bit there, I think a two score win for Oregon is, is on the table. All right, that's a good discussion. That's a good game to talk about. We're talking about three really important Big Ten teams this week, Oregon, Washington and usc. Because these are, there's like two lost Big Ten teams that at the moment remain in the playoff discussion. And so like these are teams I think we're going to keep watching teams like this, even if they're not, you know, this is a great game for Iowa, but a couple of those others, like why are you guys doing usc, Northwestern, why are you doing Washington, Wisconsin? Because USC and Washington, like really right now, right? So we want to keep eyes on teams like that. And then byu, Texas Tech really, really matters. This is at Texas Tech. Texas Tech is favored by ten and a half. And the game that this reminds me of, Bill, is these are two top 10 teams. We think they're both good, but we've had games each of the last two weeks that we have been suckered by Minnesota at Iowa. We were like, I think Minnesota is better than Iowa. Why is this a double digit spread? Iowa destroys them. Cincinnati at Utah, you and I thought it's like a one point game. Cincinnati at Utah, double digit spread, Utah destroys him. And those are the vibes I'm getting here of undefeated BYU going to Texas Tech. Why is this a double digit spread? But maybe there's a lesson to be learned.
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Doug Lamoriello
Yeah, there very well could be. Because I, I think, and this is the question, I suppose you ask of every Texas Tech game. It's like, can the team that Texas Tech is playing block Texas Tech? Because the answer in the Big 12 is often no. And you know, BYU's offensive line, I think this year has been pretty good. Bear Bachmeyer, their quarterback, has some mobility, but yeah, if they sack him eight times, which is very much within the realm of possibility, then this is a game that can get out of hand.
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- [32:58]
Bill Landis
Here's the stat that I is just like it's amazing for this game. These teams are both ranked in the top 10. This is the first top 10 game ever for BYU. They have never played a game when they were in the top 10 and their opponent is in the top 10.
- [33:15]
Doug Lamoriello
And this Texas Tech has played many either.
- [33:18]
Bill Landis
Texas Tech, this is their eighth, it is their first since they played three in November of 2008. They are two and five all time in these top 10 games. This is where game day is going. This is a noon start. I can't watch it. Maybe you can watch it.
- [33:37]
Doug Lamoriello
But it's on Fox, isn't it?
- [33:40]
Bill Landis
Oh, is it on Fox? I thought it was.
- [33:41]
Doug Lamoriello
I think it's big noon.
- [33:43]
Bill Landis
Oh, okay, great. Oh for real? No. Yes. No.
- [33:49]
Doug Lamoriello
Oh no, it's abc. I'm sorry.
- [33:51]
Bill Landis
Yeah, it's because game day is going Big news.
- [33:53]
Doug Lamoriello
Big news. Indiana, Penn State game.
- [33:56]
Bill Landis
Game day is going so. But the big noon people aren't going to. The big noon people are going to Iowa, Oregon. But the noon game is Indiana, Penn State on Fox. Yeah, it's very confusing. We're not here to promote pre game shows. Whatever. Well, like Bill just call you and tell you what's going on pregame. That'd be a pregame show. This is great for BYU and Texas Tech. Both these teams are among the top 20 in this in the country in both scoring offense and scoring defense. There are, there are six teams that have both. There are three in the Big 12, BYU, Texas Tech and Utah. And there are three in the Big 10, Indiana, Oregon and Ohio State, which is a wonderful stat because it just proves that the SEC is middle. So I like that stat. This Texas Tech lost to Arizona State. BYU's played a couple of. They're undefeated. They played some weird kind of one score games. They, Utah kind of gave the game away against BYU in a lot of ways. But. But Kalani Sataki is a tremendous coach. This is the second year in a row they're eight. No, but it does feel like a tough spot for byu, does it not?
- [35:11]
Doug Lamoriello
Yeah, it does. I guess the one thing I, I'm a little uncertain of is, is Texas Tech's offense because like they're. You mentioned the top 10 or was it top 10, right? You said in scoring both are 20 enough defense.
- [35:26]
Bill Landis
Yeah, yeah.
- [35:27]
Doug Lamoriello
And tech like in SP plus is is top 10 both offense and defense. But there's been like some funky stuff going on at quarterback And Baron Morton is back playing now and like, he's been good. But I wonder like, if they're wondering, like, how many games does Texas Tech need to like, get into a bit of an offensive rhythm? Like they did score 43 last week against Kansas State. So it's like they've been, they've been struggling to score. But even like watching a little bit of that game looks like they were marching up and down the field on Kansas State the entire time. So. And I like BYU's defense a lot. Like, by's defense is, is aggressive, really good after like the front seven, I think is, is pretty darn good. The secondary, similar to last year, I think, is where you encounter some issues, perhaps so against a team that can really throw the ball. But I don't, I don't know that that's definitely Texas Tech. So I like BYU's defense's ability or potential to like, hang in this game. I just, I just don't know about the offense. I think their offense could get overwhelmed by Texas Tech's defensive front. Yeah.
- [36:25]
Bill Landis
David Bailey and Romello Height on the defensive line for Texas Tech just have a ridiculous number of pressures of the quarterback. And Bear Bachmeyer as a, as a true freshman has done an unbelievable job for byu. But I mean, Texas Tech is in the conversation with a team like Ohio State for the best defense in the country. Right. Like you look at.
- [36:46]
Doug Lamoriello
Yeah.
- [36:46]
Bill Landis
Like I, I test and advanced statistics. Like, Texas Tech is not giving up much.
- [36:53]
Doug Lamoriello
They do not, I think like EPA per play. They might, they might be first in defense. Yeah. And it's all about the defensive line. But also like the Jacob Rodriguez or linebacker is like a turnover machine. Like he's, he's really good. They got a couple guys up front besides Bailey and Height who, who are, who are problems. They lead the country with just total pressures, 150 total pressures. This year, their eighth in pressure rate. They had like this, the number two, like team pass rush grade on pro football focus. They just really overwhelmed teams. But they're also good against their run too. Like you can't run the ball on them. They like the thing. I think I said this before, like, among the most impressive things I've seen this year was like Texas Tech going to Utah and shutting down Utah's rushing attack, which is probably the best rushing attack that Tech has played this year before BYU. BYU's got a pretty good one. And LJ Martin's back, like he got hurt in the last game. He's back for this one. He's a very Good running back. Yeah.
- [37:48]
Bill Landis
Very big. Yes.
- [37:50]
Doug Lamoriello
Yeah. Yeah. He can run a little bit. So it'll be another test. But I just, I just, I don't know what like BYU's team total is but I like that whatever it is I'd like when I bent the under, I just like, I, I don't know that I can see BYU scoring more than like two or three touchdowns in this game.
- [38:06]
Bill Landis
Texas Tech's game notes by the way, just are saying that Jacob Rodriguez is the best defensive player in the country. They're just like stating it as fact. So it's like again they have, they have some dudes who will, who will get after you and we'll run around a little bit. I'm trying, I'm trying to lear. Learned my lesson from like man, I think both these teams are good. It's a double digit line. I'm going to take Texas Tech 3017 and I will say they recover the 10 and a half.
- [38:29]
Doug Lamoriello
Yeah, we're, we're pretty similar. I have 3114 Texas Tech.
- [38:34]
Bill Landis
Okay, okay. Try to get a little smarter week to week. And this is just one of those where this really matters to the Big 12. In the playoff picture, BYU's undefeated Texas Tech has the one loss. It very well could be that these teams rematch in the Big 12 championship game. What would that mean if they would split? Like you know, if you didn't watch our playoff show on Tuesday, your theory of the case was Texas Tech beats BYU this weekend and beats them again in the Big 12 championship game. But BYU at 11 and 2, if they beat everybody else still gets in to the playoff and you get two for the big 12. Like that would be a very, this is a very big deal I think for the Big 12. Not just in terms of who wins but how it looks. And the committee on Tuesday made it very clear that they are into the eye test and they are into vibes and they are into like coaches breaking out film. So BYU and Texas Tech need to play a high level football game so those gold coaches in the committee room can think they can hang with the SEC and that that's really going to matter.
- [39:35]
Doug Lamoriello
Yeah. And I think they could like you and I picked comfortable. Texas Tech wins here. Like I don't, I don't know, like BYU just like paying closer attention to them the last couple of years, like that always seems to have some magic in them somewhere. Right. So like I don't know that they need to conjure a lot of it to win this game. Like I think they're Two pretty well rounded teams that have played well this year. It's just that Texas Tex defensive front is like so ridiculously good that I. It's just hard to pick against that, especially when they're at home, so. But I hope it's competitive. I hope, I hope, like, you know, we've. We've picked some tight games and games that got really wonky. I hope we're wrong here and we're picking up more of a comfortable when it ends being closer.
- [40:15]
Bill Landis
So again, I saw two different headlines this week that based on the fact that BYU's never played a top 10 game before, this is the biggest game in BYU history, at least regular season game. Right? I mean, I don't know. I mean, like, they won a national title in 1984 and that is the biggest home game ever for Texas Tech. So like, I don't, you know, like, that's what's on the line here. So it's cool. I'm glad that these two teams, they've earned it, but I'm glad they're getting this kind of. This spotlight to show how good they are. All right, let's run through the other ones a little quicker. Friday night game, Northwestern at USC. USC at home is favored by 14 and a half. This is like USC at home with that efficient offense. Northwestern's defense is pretty good. But if USC is usc, this again, this is a time to show it, right?
- [41:04]
Doug Lamoriello
Yeah, I just think they're a very different team in the Coliseum. If you just look at their offensive numbers, they average 52 points per game at home. Now the thing with that is they've. The only really like, good team they played at home is Michigan, but they averaged 52 points per game at home and 9.3 yards per play at home. And I like. Great story for Northwestern and what they've done this year to. To stack together five wins already. I don't, I don't know that they're ready for USC Firing all cylinders, firing on all cylinders offensively at home like they seem to do.
- [41:35]
Bill Landis
There's a usc Oregon game coming down the pike. So it's like Friday night, if you're not doing anything like get some eyeballs on usc, right, to like reconfirm, like, what are we actually talking about here? I have 30, 34, 13, USC just to be.
- [41:48]
Doug Lamoriello
Yeah. And look, Northwestern has five wins, Western Illinois, UCLA which fired its coach, UO Monroe, Penn State, which fired its coach, and Purdue which has, What'd you say? 82 new players on its roster.
- [42:02]
Bill Landis
So now, now to Be fair. It's actually, I think UCLA and Penn State fired their coaches because of Northwestern. So it's like, oh yes, oh, Northwestern beat these schools that fired their coach. Or is it like Northwestern makes you fire your coach? Like they got on the wall.
- [42:22]
Doug Lamoriello
Watch out Lincoln Riley.
- [42:25]
Bill Landis
So actually the UCLA coach got fired the game before that was first game for Tim Skipper as the head coach was against Northwestern before they got it rolling. But the James Franklin that the James Franklin pelt is theirs.
- [42:38]
Doug Lamoriello
Yeah. Did you see? By the way, I know he's not your favorite college football media personality, but Josh Pate suggested this week that Lincoln Riley could be in line for one of these big jobs that's open and leave usc.
- [42:53]
Bill Landis
Don't care about either of those two people that you just mentioned.
- [42:56]
Doug Lamoriello
I know, I know you don't. But it could be a factor here. If Lincoln Riley's got one foot out the door, maybe this game's closer. I don't think it'll be very close. I have USC winning 35 14.
- [43:06]
Bill Landis
35 14. Okay, so here we are. We are picking the exact same score again because we do that.
- [43:16]
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- [44:43]
Bill Landis
Let's go to Washington and Wisconsin like this. This matters to me because Washington has to go like play some good road games. If they are going actually have the committee respect them. They are 23rd in the committee rankings. That was good for Washington. This is a 4:30 game on the Big Ten Network and Washington on the road is favored by 11 and a half. Wisconsin again, like Wisconsin, for all the things that I was saying like, you know, Oregon actually took care of business. Listen, man, Wisconsin went on the road to Oregon and only lost by 14. That's a success for Wisconsin too. Can they do something here and dig in against Washington or is this like a. The Washington offense on the road just takes care of business.
- [45:29]
Doug Lamoriello
I don't know if they're going to take care of it like, like Wisconsin's defense has been a little stingy lately. Right. Like Ohio State threw it all over him. But, oh, I say really struggle to run the ball against Wisconsin and even, you know, taking into account that Dante Moore got hurt, like there were some moments in that game against Oregon where I thought Wisconsin is definitely defense played pretty well. So I don't think it's a layup for Washington with and who we know doesn't always play its best game when it's on the road. This is not Eastern Standard Time, but it is some travel east for them. So I don't know what to make of it. I think Wisconsin switching quarterbacks again.
- [46:04]
Bill Landis
Right.
- [46:04]
Doug Lamoriello
They're going back to Danny o'. Neill. Is that what's happening with them?
- [46:07]
Bill Landis
I didn't notice it.
- [46:08]
Doug Lamoriello
I think. I think I saw that. Yeah. So I don't know how much of a difference it'll make, but the Hunter Simmons experience seems like it's over. They're not, they're not turning it over to the freshman. So Iowa, excuse me. Wisconsin has not scored a point at home since September 20th, so we'll see if they can do that in this game. Yeah, I, I think Washington will win, but maybe it could be like a little bit of a slow start for them, similar to how it was when they went and played Maryland earlier in the year. So I have Washington winning 24:14 just because Wisconsin is a little bit hopeless right now. But I don't think I'd be surprised if it looks like Washington is like struggling a little bit in this game.
- [46:51]
Bill Landis
So you're taking Wisconsin with the points with the 11 and a half. So the two like road games like this that Washington's played, they got shut out in the first half against Maryland and then went crazy in the second half to win that game. They scored seven against Michigan and Demon Williams Jr. Through three picks. So that those are the two, like now they're doing this. So at some point they've. If you're going to be a good program, you've got to go on the woe on the road and play a good game. So, like, the. The Michigan thing was a little wonky. It wasn't just like, I don't think it was like that Demond Williams Jr. Lost his mind. It was like there was a throw where, like, the guy kind of ran his rat a little bit weird. There was a throw deep that should have been a catch and actually bounced out of the guy's hands. And so, like, I. I have, obviously. Right. I've liked Washington all year. I've liked Washington since the preseason. I've been talking about Washington all year. People have pushed back on, like, oh, Doug, you're puffing up Washington. And like that. Ohio State only beating them 24, 6. It's not that big a deal. I still think Washington's good, but if you're good, then you got to go to Wisconsin and play well. And you've got to go to Wisconsin and, like, leave no doubt and, like, look like the team that you are. Because if they wind up in a fight and they're not going to be in the playoff mix unless they run the tail up, which includes a win at Oregon, against Oregon in the last game of the regular season. But if you're. If you want to be in the playoff fight at 10 and 2, you got to look the part. So they gotta go look it. And this is also as, like, you've seen, like, the betting odds, Right. Like, Jed Fish is up there in the betting odds for the Florida job, which you've been talking about for 18 months.
- [48:16]
Doug Lamoriello
I actually didn't see that. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not Lane Kiffin. He's probably the next logical choice.
- [48:22]
Bill Landis
Yeah. So I have 35, 16, Washington. I'll take Washington minus the 11 and a half. Just like, you got to go do this if you're. If you are who you want to be. Next one is. I just feel like we have to talk about this, like, a tiny bit because they might make the playoff. This is Virginia. We've done very little Virginia talk on this show. Wake forest at Virginia, 7pm on ESPN. So you won't watch it. Virginia at home is favored by six and a half. And Virginia's had three games this year where they've almost lost. And it feels like maybe this is the one they actually lose. Because Wake's not bad. No.
- [48:58]
Doug Lamoriello
And Wake has had wakes. Has given some. Some like Georgia Tech a scare and SMU a scare. Right. They played some close games with teams. Yeah. I would just like to see west or like to see Virginia lose because I don't want to see them in the playoff. I don't think they're a good team. I think they're doing it with duct tape and glue and they stink and they're just leading a bad conference. So I would like for them to lose anything to get pit into the ACC championship. I'm a favorite. Oh, yeah?
- [49:22]
Bill Landis
Yeah. And this is like, again, it's like. It's just. I. It's not the same. The record's the same as Indiana last year, but the conversation's not the same. I don't think that's. I don't think that's talking out both sides of our mouth. If a year ago we were like, you should respect Indiana, and now we're like, man, we don't want to see Virginia. It's just they. They've been. They've been on the precipice a bunch of times and is the ACC good enough to have somebody jump up and get them? And Wake was. Wakes like 5 and 3. Like, wake might be just good enough to be the team to do it.
- [49:54]
Doug Lamoriello
Yeah. Week is. What is Wake 5 and 3. Wake has a 10 point loss to NC State, a one point overtime loss to Georgia Tech. They got run off the field by Florida State last week, which is not great.
- [50:15]
Bill Landis
Yeah.
- [50:15]
Doug Lamoriello
All right, so they beat. I said they beat SMU 1312.
- [50:19]
Bill Landis
We're both taking Wake, right?
- [50:23]
Doug Lamoriello
Yeah, I'm taking Wake 21. 20.
- [50:25]
Bill Landis
I'm taking Wake 26. 21. Okay, so the underdog to win there and then Notre Dame, Navy, and again, like, just. I just think we want to talk about Notre Dame a little bit. Notre dame's favored by 26 and a half. Navy's been a competitive team. They're in the mix in the American Conference. This doesn't affect that. This is a traditional rivalry. Navy and Notre Dame play every year. It's wonderful. But Notre Dame continues to have to look good. And I didn't listen to it, but I saw some tweets about it. People Talking about like 10 and 2 Miami maybe being in the playoff picture. Even though I think 10 and 2 Miami, which just means Miami wins out. Like, that wouldn't necessarily have. Miami's probably not making the ACC championship game. So like a 10 and 2 Miami that's not in the ACC championship game, but has a win over Notre Dame. And would they be in? I saw people saying, like, yeah, they'd definitely be in. And that's bad for Notre Dame, but, like, is Miami actually going to get there? But I don't. I don't know, I don't agree with the conversation. I didn't even realize people were having the conversation, because to me, what you just said would be like, well, no, I don't think it's a conversation. And Notre Dame does have a game against Pitt. They have. But Notre Dame continues to have to look good to do as much as they can to make their playoff case, because they probably like it. If it's an eyeball conversation, which it seems like it is so far, that's actually probably good for Notre Dame because, like, they've gotten the defense straightened out a little bit. And when they're on, they're kind of on, aren't they?
- [52:00]
Doug Lamoriello
Yeah. And I think you're right. It is an eyeball conversation for them. That's why they're 10th. And when they play their best, they look like one of the better teams in the country. I also think, like, Pitts, or, excuse me, Miami's got another loss in them. That'll. That'll settle this debate. I don't. I don't know that I necessarily agree with at the moment. Miami and Notre Dame being separated by eight spots. It does seem kind of silly because, you know, they played in Miami 1. But I don't think it'll matter in the end because I kind of think Notre Dame is just gonna, like, kind of pulverize teams on its way to not losing the rest of the year, including in this game, because Navy's defense is really bad. They can't stop anybody. Navy's defense is 115th in stop rate, 117th and available yards given up and 99th in touchdown rate. I think Notre Dame now, there's, like this. There's a. There's weather, like, in the Midwest this weekend, and it seems like the later you're playing Saturday, the more of an impact that might happen. This is a night game in South Bend, so it is going to be, like, in the 30s and cold and rainy. That could, like, maybe turn into snow and maybe some wind. So maybe that takes away some ability for Notre Dame to throw the ball, but I don't really know that that'll matter because Navy can't stop the run either. So I think Notre Dame wins quite comfortably. I have 40, 17.
- [53:16]
Bill Landis
I have 42, 14. Notre Dame.
- [53:20]
Doug Lamoriello
So we're.
- [53:20]
Bill Landis
We're both thinking they handle. What was your score again?
- [53:24]
Doug Lamoriello
40, 49, 17.
- [53:26]
Bill Landis
I have to put it in my data sheet. Okay.
- [53:29]
Doug Lamoriello
You never said what our records were last week.
- [53:31]
Bill Landis
Oh, I forgot to say it. They're both very good. Okay. That's what I thought you are 35 and 35 on the season. You were 4 and 3 last week. I am 31 and 39 on the season. I was 3 and 4 last. Last week. I was riding high, man. North Carolina got that win over Syracuse on Friday night. I was like, bill is going down. And then I got like one right the rest of the week practically. So as usual, not a great week for me. But yeah, it's nice, right, for like, you're at 500, man. You could. I think you'll get over the top this week. Yeah.
- [54:02]
Doug Lamoriello
All I care about is that my record continues to be better than Aries and it is so. But also yours might be. Oh, yeah.
- [54:09]
Bill Landis
Good. Oh, we should just do that. Even though Ari's not on the show. It's just be like Bill's record, Doug's record and Ari's record from another show just to like make ourselves feel better. You guys can check us out on substack if you want some OS Ohio State coverage over there. BillAndDug, OSU, BillAndGo and BillAndDugosu.substack.com BillAndDugosu.Substack.com you can check out our friends at roback.com Rho B A C K.com click go. You go there. So you type that in the old Google machine. You go, you click on the game day tab at the top and then it is just a list of all the college football teams that they have specialized gear for. And I, and I know that it's like, okay, there's like all kinds of different teams. Even if you hate other teams and you only want to buy your team. Sometimes I think it's fun to see like what the other teams have for their looks, you know, I mean, like, what is their stripe? Like, was there a little logo? Like, oh, there's a little alligator on there. That's a little elephant God, little bulldog on there. So anyway, you just go peruse window shop and then find your favorite team. 20 off your first order if you use the code bad20.com like subscribe, tell a friend about the Bill and Doug show. Thanks as always for being here. Tuesday playoff picks. Friday national picks. Monday, me usually ranting about some stuff about college football. A bunch of Ohio State coverage the rest of the week on the pod feeds and on YouTube. For now, he's Bill Landis. I'm Doug Lemarise and that was the Bill and Doug show.
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