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The Bill and Doug Show: Ohio State Football Talk
The SEC is mid, the SEC is dead, and maybe it was never as good as we thought it was
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Ole Miss lost to Miami in the College Football Playoff semifinals on Thursday, meaning for the third straight year the SEC will not have a team in the national championship game.
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Doug Lay
Welcome back to the Bill and Doug Show. Doug Lemarice with rants here today. And you can call me Ulysses S. Grant and you can consider this show Appomattox Courthouse because the south has surrendered. It's hard when you build your life around an idea and then you live long enough to see that idea come to fruition and to general acceptance. And we started talking about how mid the SEC was, how much college football was changing three years ago. And here we are now with unanimity around the death of the sec. And to all the Southern trolls, honks and morons out there, we happily accept your surrender because there's nothing left. What has happened over the course of this college football season is that the SEC has abandoned the idea that the top of its conference is the best. It has surrendered that idea by necessity, but also willingly because there was no battle to fight there. And the way that Indiana and Ohio State and Oregon asserted themselves this season, there was no argument to be made that the best teams in the sec, Georgia, Alabama, I don't even know who's supposed to be good in the sec. Texas A and M, Oklahoma, that one with the Heisman runner up. I can't remember their name. Nobody thought they were as good as those three teams. And now we are in a situation where the SEC is out of the College Football Playoff and Nobody in the SEC won a playoff game other than against a G6 team or against one of their own teams. So Texas A and M, let me double check this. Texas A and M beat nobody. They lost to Miami, Alabama, Oklahoma beat nobody. They lost to Alabama, Alabama beat Oklahoma and got boat race by Indiana. Georgia beat nobody. They lost to Ole Miss, and then Ole Miss beat Tulane and Georgia and then lost to Miami. So the SEC beat nobody. Of consequence. The sec, the league that Greg Sankey wanted, seven teams in the playoff. They didn't beat another power conference team in the entire playoff because they are and always were this season mid. And if you thought it was a bit when I said it in September, when Florida State beat Alabama, I knew Florida State wasn't going to be any good. I knew that was about how mid Alabama was when I said it all year. If you thought it was a bit, it's never been a bit. It's been. It's been an acceptance of the new reality. And for all the SEC honks, trolls and morons out there who refuse to accept that reality, you are either lying to yourself, lying to your audience, or both. You're willfully ignorant to the changing landscape of college football and you no longer can be that. So we must take this energy, this information, this new way of thinking into 2026. So when Greg Sankey, the SEC commissioner chief honking, says that the SEC gets should get seven teams in the playoff, we must shout that down for lunacy. For the lunacy it is. We can't accept that kind of discussion. And when ESPN pushes it pushes agendas, we must shout it down because we have facts on their on our side. We have reality on our side. And I'm not even sure what the fight is anymore. Is the fight over? I'm here to accept the SEC surrender, but I'm also ready to lay down my swords because I don't know why I need them anymore. The battle is won. This is like. This is like if I had a show called Kings of the Automobile and I was fighting against horses and Everybody was like, yeah, cars are better, bro. You don't have to have that show anymore. I don't have that show anymore. But we're here on the Bill and Doug show and we want to talk about this because we were among the first to talk about this in a realistic way. And it is fulfilling. It is reassuring to see smart, educated people out there acknowledging the reality. People like Stephen Godfrey, who was a frequent guest on a rolled show, like Dan Wetzel, who was a frequent guest on a rolled show. Bruce Feldman, great college football writer. They're all writing the same and saying the same thing right now, right? Which that is, it's over, it's dead. And, and here's the point. Here's me being magnanimous. It's not that the SEC sucks. It's not that the SEC is never going to have a national champion again, but their run of dominance is over. And the run of dominance was. This was a very specific period of time. You might even call it a 25 year winter for the North. It's a very specific look like look, go find it on YouTube. A very specific period of time. And it wasn't always that way. And in the era where we didn't really have a true national champion and you had people, dumb voters voting for things, the, the, the sport was, was spread out geographically that you could have great teams in Nebraska and you could have great teams at Michigan or Ohio State or Penn State and also at Alabama and at Texas and at USC and at Florida State. And often we never came to a consensus on who the best team really was. But nobody said, oh, all were in the South. Nobody ever said that because it wasn't true. And then it was true for two decades and now it's not true. So to the trolls, honks and morons of the sec, your time is over. I hope you enjoy the past because you're going to be living in it because the future does not belong to you. And here's where I'm going to come for you. Actually, I need this still. I need my sword. It was a two sword Thursday night to see the SEC vanquished also, by the way. Like, how is that so like we've seen like a changing of the guard in the Big Ten, Indiana and Oregon preparing to play in that semi final on Friday night with two new head coaches to the league who have, who have risen up the Big Ten and have. And I've vanquished a team like Ohio State right now. Ohio State beat Oregon last year, but Oregon beat Ohio State in The regular season. Oregon was the Big Ten champ a year ago. Indiana is the Big Ten champ this year. Beat Ohio State, the big time championship game. Those are great individual head coaches in Kurt Signetti and Dan Lanning who have created programs who have adapted to the modern reality of college football with nil, with the transfer portal, with development, with great assistant coaches. And that's who vanquished Ohio State this year, who vanquished Georgia and Alabama. A team without a head coach. A team whose head coach left for an old blue blood because he didn't understand the modern world. A team that was better without their mouthpiece, who ran his mouth all year. Go find the Wall Street Journal story where in October, Lane Kiffin is talking about how going through the SECs like running through the NFL. What a joke. What a regurgitation of lies. A regurgitation of lies. Never true in October. Certainly not true now. Stop regurgitating their lies. Why don't we call out lies anymore? Why do we regurg? Why don't we just spew? We let the sec. Oh, it's like running through the NFL. Never true. It was always mid. So here's. Here's what we're doing now. And by the way, Nick Saban, who propped up the SEC for 15 years, told Lane Kiffin to take the LSU job instead of the Ole Miss job because he's also trapped in the past so he can yakety, yakety yak on espn. Trapped in the past. What the SEC abandoned, they abandoned. Our teams at the top are as good as the Big Ten. They abandoned it. And that is what they based their entire existence on. In the 14 playoff era and in the BCS era, when you only needed a team in the top two or a team in the top four, they were top heavy, led by Nick Saban. Also, Urban Meyer influenced there, right? But led by Nick Saban. And then teams popping up. Cam Newton pops up. Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson and Joe Burrow pop up. Right? They don't sustain it. Les Miles pops up for a year. They don't sustain it. Saban sustained it. Urban had a brief run, and then they would pop up. But they all you needed. Then when it was 2 and 4, all you needed was somebody good at the top. One good team, and you could act like the whole league was great. Okay? They've abandoned that because they know that's a losing argument. On facts. On facts. Nobody in the SEC was as good as Indiana, Oregon and Ohio State this year. On facts. No doubt. So then they go to depth so now all of a sudden, in a 12 team playoff era where it's more about, there's more opportunity for everybody, we're supposed to spread the opportunity out and the SEC wants to keep the opportunity for itself because they're greedy honks, trolls and morons. Now they're making a depth argument. Depth argument blown out of the water by a disastrous bowl season for the sec. And, and you are seeing, and I've run through it before, go back and find on this feed where I called the SEC a Ponzi scheme because you are basing things in the SEC on, well, this team beat this team and this team beat this team and it's all hollow. Tennessee beat nobody. But yet when Georgia beats Tennessee, that's supposed to be a great win for Georgia, right? Hollow. There's nothing there. And then the SEC manages because they're diabolical geniuses. They managed to do things like Alabama losing to Oklahoma, put Oklahoma in the playoff and kept Notre Dame out of the playoff. If Oklahoma loses to Alabama, if Oklahoma loses to LSU on the last game of the regular season when LSU blew a coverage, should have beaten Oklahoma. Oklahoma's not in. Notre Dame's in instead. Right? So it's not a Miami. Notre Dame discussion. Miami and Notre Dame are both in. We only get instead of 5 sec, we get 4, which would have been more than enough because again, they did not beat anybody other than themselves and Tulane. Congratulations. Diabolical genius. Alabama loses to Oklahoma in the regular season and then gives Oklahoma. That creates Oklahoma as a playoff opponent for Alabama, which is frankly the only playoff team that Alabama was going to beat because they're frauds.
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Doug Lay
And and I go on a show on Saturday down south and sometimes if I say something on there that's not exactly right, they like to bring that back around and then put it on social media. Here's what I was right about. Alabama's a bunch of stinking frauds and they were mid the whole year. And if you were trying to trick yourself into something else, the reason they were propped up is because nobody could jump up and get them. You know who would have beat Alabama this year? Iowa. Because what happened in the Big Ten is we Iowa took Indiana to the wire and we saw that as Indiana weakness. A lot of this maybe not respect Indiana enough, but Iowa took Oregon to the wire. We saw that as an Oregon miracle didn't allow us to respect Iowa enough. Iowa lost to usc, right? Because guess what? Because the Big Ten was eating itself. Wall Street Journal. Where's that story? Who's writing the story about the Big Ten eating itself? Who's writing the story about Illinois beats USC and then USC beats Michigan and Michigan beats Washington and Washington beats Illinois and there's a cycle of guess what? The Big Ten eating itself. But we have to read about the SEC E itself. It was always a lie. It's either a lie of commission or omission. Either you either you're just propping it up because you're propaganda or because you're blind to the reality. So can we take it into 2026 and stop this? So here. Dead. The SEC at the top is as good as the Big Ten. Dead. Dead. Number two, the SEC is deeper. False. Horrible bowl season. No wins in the playoff except against the G6 and each other. Okay. Dead. The myth of SEC depth. I hope we understand that it was a mirage. So let's take that energy into 2026. Let's take that into playoff discussions. Let's take that into how we analyze non conference play. The SEC is finally going to play non conference, nine non conference games, right? So guess what? They're not going to have these you can go through and I'm not going to do it all here because you can do it yourself. You can go through these SEC teams. It's like, well, what do they do? Well, I have four Crappy non conference wins. And then they beat Arkansas, Kentucky and lsu. And all of a sudden, like you're a bowl team. Here's a third thing. Now this is where we're going. Between 2006 and 2022, the SEC had a team in the national championship game 16 of 17 years, okay? It was every year except 2014 when Ohio State and Oregon played in the Natty because Ohio State beat Alabama in a semi final. When Alabama was the one, because guess what? That was the first year of the four team playoff. And if it had been the old system, Alabama would have been in the Natty because things were happening there. There was an assumption, there was an assumption about the sec. One of those assumptions was propped up by the greatest college football coach of all time. And Nick Saban's retirement is still an underrated college football story. When Michael Jordan retired, when Wayne Gretzky retired, that's how I talked about it. Exactly in the moment. I don't understand why people don't talk about it more like this. You blew a hole in the sport. There is some degree of this leveling of the playing field, evening of the playing field that arises from the retirement of Nick Saban. And everybody says that Saban is like getting out ahead of the changes. I think Saban is the kind a guy who finds a way to win in almost any circumstance. And I don't think that has to do anything. I think that's nothing to do with your conference. I think Dick Saban would have won anywhere. He's that good. Because guess what? Guess who the modern day Nick Saban is. It's Kurt Signetti. Guess where he's winning. Indiana. Nick Saban would be winning anywhere. If you don't think Nick Saban could do what Kiri could do, he propped up that league and that league absorbed his genius and his success and said, oh, it's the sec. It was never the sec. It was Nick Saban. Now I get it. We acknowledge Cam Newton popped up. We acknowledge Joe Burrow popped up. We get it. But the, but the conference dominance, 06 to 22, why was there conference dominance? Because there was an assumption about the SEC by pollsters, by computer models that are based on schedule strength. That again, I think there is a component of that that is perception. So when we had limited access, we were putting in the SEC all the time. We put two SEC teams in the national championship game before and then the sec, one national championship. He said, oh man, nobody wins national championships like the sec. But they were always given the opportunity to they were in the BCS era and they were in the 14 playoff era. And now that we have opened it up, we have opened it up and what has happened? The SEC can't hang now. Of course the sport has changed. I love when I go on social media and I call out the trolls, honks and morons from the sec and then people try to explain to me how college football works. I've been explaining it to the SEC for two and a half years. I'm explaining to you in the south how I understand exactly how this works. I saw it from the jump, so I get it. Nil and the portal are evening things out. We're seeing it even more in the portal right now. How many of these really blue blood great recruiting teams are losing their depth? Right? They lose, the potential goes out. Now those teams that, you know, you see, there's a lot of transfers that have helped Miami, helped Ole Miss, helped Indiana. Right. Do blue bloods have to adjust to that? I think they do. I think they're starting to. That's a lot in the sec. That includes Ohio State, who is the most SEC like Northern team. But I would suggest now we've admitted the SEC at the top. Not as good as the Big Ten. I hope we're admitting now because I'm spitting hot truth at you. The depth argument for the sec. Fraudulent. The Big Ten is as deep and now we're going into the past, which is all the SEC has to hang on to is the past. Talk to an SEC fan and see how quickly they go to the past. They'll be there in 15 seconds. Congratulations on living in olden times, sec. Why don't you have a Bear Bryant conversation? I'm not sure the past is as good as we thought it was because now we've opened opportunity and we're seeing SEC teams lose now. Now I know they're not as good, I know they're not as deep. I know we flattened it out, but are we sure all those times when the SEC got every benefit of the doubt and then got a. People are saying then they got in the championship and won. All right, but they, they weren't. They won. They won one game, right? But all those teams, even like for instance, 2006 when it started, and I would direct you to it. Listen, I, I, I'm, There's a part of me that's upset that, that our old show is over, but you can go find it on YouTube still. We did a series called the 25 Year Winner on Kings of the north and we Started it like a lot of it really was 2006 and the Florida, Ohio State national championship game. Florida backed in like, are we sure that Florida should have been there instead of usc, that Florida should have been there against Michigan? Right. So like you create an opportunity to create a narrative. But you, but the SEC, like in, in 2000, 18, 17 or 18, one of those years, Ohio State finished fifth. I remember sitting the Ohio State team room thinking that Ohio State was going to get in the playoff and they didn't. Alabama got it and then Alabama won the national title. But like what if Ohio. We saw what happened when Ohio State got a chance as a four seed in 2014. They won it all. But like in that world, in that world, in the 14 playoff, we left out the Big Ten champs. Some years there were years that Big Ten champ didn't get in. There was never a year the SEC champ didn't get in. Why? Because we had a perception that the SEC was better. And then they got it and they would win while the Big Ten champ was sometimes sitting at home. Now that's Saban fueled. But it's two things. It's an assumption that creates opportunity and it's all fueled by Nick Saban. And both those things are gone and the SEC can't hang. They're a joke. If you're an SEC troll, honk or fraud or you're a joke. Talent acquisition. This is one of those. It was always fall back on. It's like, of course. I mean it's a fact. The SEC was incredibly talented. It had the most draft picks. Right. But also like, is that the exact same thing? We're seeing the ERA right now. Is Indiana going to have the most first round picks? No. Is Indiana a tremendous team that boat raced Alabama? You bet they were. I'm just telling you this mock draft database, they have a like a consensus mock draft right now. Top 23 picks as it stands right now, today on Friday, as I record top 23 picks, Big 10, 10, ACC, Big 12 and SEC for each and one for Notre Dame. So I'm just telling you the truth. I don't know. I don't know if it's going to work out that way. Last year I thought the draft would be a little better for the Big Ten and it wasn't quite. So we get it. There's still talented teams in the sec. It's not conclusive that the Big Ten's better. What's conclusive is if the the SEC is not dominant. But get ready for that talent argument. What would The NFL general manager say, yeah, let's just let NFL general managers decide who the national champion should be rather than letting it play out on the field. Now that it's playing out on the field, multiple games, the SEC can't hang. Embarrassed. Aren't you embarrassed to be an SEC fan right now? You are, you are, you're kind, like, right, right now on the, in the present, your tails between your legs. I. Yeah, it is. Come on, just prepare for the, like, the changing the guard here, the embarrassment that is this Ole Miss situation and that this would be like if Kurt Signetti had decided he was going to leave Indiana and go take the Michigan job. Right? I mean, it's like an apples to apples comparison, except like he said, like, or take the Penn State job. Right? He tried to make that happen, except Kurt Signetti acknowledged the reality of the situation, which is, I was given a chance here. I can win here. There are resources here, there is investment here, there is opportunity here. Why do I have to leave? And meanwhile, in, in the sec, they don't understand the modern world. And Lane Kiffin is a joke. And the result is like, congratulations to Pete Golding and all those old Miss players who had to deal with the mess left by Glenn Kiffin to go chase something that's not there. We saw that already. Brian Kelly chased something from the north and chased something down south right at the time when it was changing, right? Brian Kelly could have stayed at Notre Dame and been like a, a leader of this revolution that has happened. And so instead he threw his career away at lsu. And then Lane Kiffin is like, you know what? I'm gonna throw my career away at LSU too. Because once upon a time, Nick Saban left Michigan State to go to lsu. Now he's telling Lane Kiffin to go to lsu. That's not what it's like anymore. This is not like when Nick Saban left Michigan State for lsu. Like, and if you don't understand that, if Nick Saban doesn't understand that, if Lane Kiffin doesn't understand that, you're blind. So congratulations to the SEC on having no freaking idea on how the sport works right now.
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Doug Lay
And then the other thing is, you think about the coaches in the Big Ten right now. And there was a time when I thought the Big Ten didn't stack up right. And then I think the the creation of the Big Ten network created some, some revenue streams and they started spending some money on coaches. But you look at Coach Signetti at Indiana, you look at Dan Lanning at Oregon, you look at Ryan Day at Ohio State, you look at the hires this offseason with Michigan bringing in Kyle Winningham to clean up a terrible mess. At Michigan, you look at Matt Campbell and it was a messy process for Penn State, but they wind up Kyle Whittingham and Matt Campbell go back, they're top 10 coaches in the country on lists three and four years ago, right. And it hasn't 100% worked. But you hire a playoff coach at Wisconsin and Luke Fickle, they're giving him another opportunity. They're not quit trigger. They're not panic mode like everybody in the sec. Constant. The, the SEC wears panic and desperation as a badge of honor. And that once upon a time, I think, signaled a dedication to winning and an intolerance for mediocrity. And now it's just panicked and desperate and it's been so then the sec, I don't know. Best of luck to John Sumrall and Alex Golish and, and Ryan Silver. Feel like best of luck, but they're just scooping up everybody in the American Athletic Conference and thinking like, we found the secret sauce. Good luck, man. I don't know what to tell you. The Big Ten brought in Pat Fitzgerald, Matt Campbell and Kyle Whittingham, established winners. So to add to like a bunch of other really like, listen, Kirby Smart's good. He got boat race By a team of not boat race. I take that back. Just because Kirby Smart won back to back national championships and now in the 12 team playoff era is lost his first playoff game both times, does that mean that Kirby Smart has lost it? Yes. Kirby Smart's still a good coach. Off the field stuff. Hate it. Feels like there's not quite as much off the field stuff lately. You never know what's coming around the corner, literally or figuratively when it comes to Georgia. But like I think he has a handle on his program like with his players. I don't think they have a handle on roster building right now. They have no transfer. Like they're trying to get in there now. They had no transfer. Zachariah Branch, the Branch brothers, they came in and everybody in in Athens wanted to have a parade. It's like, congratulations. Ole miss had 17 transfers. Like wake up to the reality, right? 17 of their top 30 players for Ole Miss this year with transfers last offseason. George, it was two. Wake up to the reality. Ohio State's having to wake up to the same thing. They seem like they're trying to adapt to it. Mike Elko's still good. People want him. Like good season at Texas A M. Clark Lee at Vanderbilt, a lot of teams wanted him. Congratulations. Good season at Vanderbilt. Kaylin DeBoer, bad fit. And again, like I thought it was a bad fit. I compared it to Rich Rodriguez. I got called out for that. Like, how's everybody feeling that you feeling good? You feeling strong about the Kalyn DeBoer Alabama fit? You feeling strong? Or did they just survive? Because nobody in the in the SEC is good enough to jump up and make them pay. Josh Hyple, I don't know. Steve Sarkeesian, I don't know. Steve Sarcation had the number one team in the country, lost his opener with the preseason Heisman favorite and they lost to Florida. And then like wanted to complain at the end of the year. And now in a year where what was the sec? Four, nine and bowl games are beating their chest because they beat a Michigan team whose coach was arrested. And like that's like, that's Texas. Like we're, we're the, we're representing, we're standing up for the SEC because we beat the arrested team in a bowl game. It's embarrassing. That's the thing about it that I feel a little bit bad about is that it is embarrassing for the SEC right now. There are enough people and I'm primarily talking to people in media who have built their entire reputations on Gloating about the sec and everything that you think that you believed in the past has been proven that it was all a lie. So, you know, Eli Drinkwoods at Missouri, like, good luck. Brent Venables at Oklahoma saved his job. I don't know. Shane Beamer at South Carolina. You excited? I don't know. Are we excited about this? So, anyway, that's where we are. I don't think there's any doubt about it. We have to continue. We will continue this conversation on the Bill and Doug show into the off season because it feels like people kind of like, forget it. And we're gonna. We're gonna get there in the preseason, and we just have to shout Greg Sankey down when he says silly stuff. And I wish Tony Petiti was better at this. The ball in the Big Ten keeps showing how good the Big Ten is, and they. They don't win the. The PR battle because they don't have a strategy at all. I don't know. I'll be the strategy. I got two swords, man. I can be your strategy. But I. I hope that if you followed along in our various incarnations here talking about Northern and Southern college football, you realize where we are. There's no dispute. I would like to. I mean, if there's anybody out there, if there's somebody, I would invite anybody on this show, like, come in and argue this. Right. It's not even fun to debate anymore. It's why I have to retire the story. That's why I'm not wearing the crown. It's like there's. It's shouting into the likes. Yeah, you're speaking to the choir. Preaching to the choir. Everybody's the choir. Everybody knows the SEC is mid. I don't even know. I might delete my social media accounts. What's the point of me tweeting every week that the SEC is mid when I'm proven so correct? This is the most right I've been about anything in my life. And so I'm wrong a ton. Not wrong on this. The SEC is mid. The SEC is dead. The run of SEC dominance is over, and this is the new reality of college football. And if you're just catching up to it now, welcome. If you've been here for two and a half years, I hope you enjoyed the ride. We'll keep talking about Ohio State. We'll keep writing and talking about Ohio State on our substack. Bill and Doug. Osu.substack.com But we're also going to talk about national college football. I want to do more stuff in the off season, like diving into these kind of things. We want to have a voice, and we want to have feedback from you. And we want to have people, like, having this discussion about where the Big Ten is compared to the sec, where the north is compared to the South. And we know Miami's in the south, but they're sure as heck not in the sec. Thanks to you guys for being here. I'm Doug Lay. Maurice, and that was the Bill and Doug Show.
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Maurice
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Doug Lay
So good. Your bill, ladies.
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Maurice
I got it.
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Doug Lay
No, I got it. Seriously, I insist.
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Maurice
I insisted first.
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Doug Lay
Oh, don't be silly. You don't be silly.
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Doug Lay
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Maurice
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Doug Lay
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Maurice
All that at Walmart?
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Doug Lay
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Maurice
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Doug Lay
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Maurice
Check in on your health at the same place you already shop. Visit Walmart, Saturday, January 24th, for our semi annual wellness event, Flu Shot. Subject to availability and applicable state law. Age restrictions apply. Free samples while supplies.
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Doug Lay
Last year.