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Half-Baked Ideas With Kevin Wildes. Plus: The Masters, ‘The Pitt’, Coachella, and ‘Love Story’ With Nathan Hubbard and Joanna Robinson.
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The Bill Simmons podcast is presented by fanduel. We are also presented by the Ringer Podcast Network where I put up a new rewatchables. On Monday night we did Eddie and the Cruisers. It was a one for us. Coming off CR month. It was me and Chris Ryan and Van Lathan. All of us are headed to San Francisco to do a live show. We're doing Basic Instinct on Wednesday night. We'll see if Mallory can make it through without doing like whatever happened with Jim Morrison in Miami when he had offended the obscenity laws or whatever he did. Hopefully we can get through it intact. Coming up on this podcast, we have eight listening. It was a great order. They could have gone in any direction, starting with Kevin Wilds doing half baked ideas, talking a little basketball as well. Nathan Hubbard is going to come on and talk about the Masters and Coachella. And then I hadn't talked TV in a while, so Joanna Robinson is on. We're going to talk about the Pit, which I finally jumped into and binge watched. And I have a lot of thoughts. We're going to talk about Love Story and we're going to talk about a bunch of Apple shows. So that is the podcast. So we have half baked basketball, golf, Coachella, tv. It's pretty good. Pretty eclectic. A couple basketball things from last night. Really quick championship. I thought it was a pretty, pretty lame March Madness. Other than that. Yukon, the buzzer beater, coming back against Duke, the women's tournament, the most fun thing that happened in the whole women's Final four, which I really enjoy. But the games, you know, we couldn't really get there with the games. But the most fun thing was Gino, Gino for some reason just losing his mind with Don Staley. And then it seemed like Don Staley was going to kick his ass. I love that. I think Don Staley punching Geno would have been the highlight of 2026. Sadly, it didn't happen, but that was probably the highlight of that. And then the men's, it was fine. The Michigan Yukon game, it was threatening to become good for a while. It never really 100% got there. Every time it felt like UConn was going to do the UConn thing, something they'd miss a layup or Michigan would hit a three. I was very happy for my brother. Jalen Rose. Congrats. To him. And then I, I don't know. In 2026, you're going to look back at that tournament and probably just remember the Yukon Duke game and be like, who won? Oh yeah, Michigan. I know a lot of Michigan people, they're all very excited. Between this and what's happened with the football this decade, maybe some like a small glass of settle down juice for the Michigan fans. Don't, don't turn people against you. Big picture NBA wise, we had a Wemby injury last night that I assume he's going to come back and play one more game. But it did kind of break my brain for a second because if he doesn't get the 65th game, it throws a whole bunch of stuff out of whack, including defensive player of the year, which I don't think anybody has spent one minute thinking about. The big game that happened last night though, is was Denver versus Portland, where Denver's basically could lock down the three seed pretty much by winning because the Lakers are going backwards and Portland's up 18 on them in the fourth quarter. Portland is I think at one point 24 for 46 from three or so. They were just. Flames are coming out of their butt. They're just making everything. And Denver's hanging around, hanging around. Cause they're so good offensively now that Aaron Gordon's back, you kind of can't give up on a Denver game. So what happens? They come back, they force overtime. They really could have won a regulation. Jokic missed like an eight footer and then they end up winning in, in overtime. And it was just an awesome, awesome home win. Aaron Gordon was huge. And once again it's what we talked about on Sunday, like watch out for the Nuggets. I don't think Jokic's MVP case is dead. I don't. Michael Pino went on Zach Lowe's pot on Thursday and then wrote a piece for the Ringer on Monday saying, I'm voting for Jokic. And I really gotta look at this over the next five days because you're supposed to treat each season individually. And the truth is, if you just look at Jokic's numbers and the fact that they're now up to a three seed. And I really think you have to be a top three seed or have one of the five best records in the league to really seriously be considered for MVP. Unless it's like 2006 when I picked Kobe that year, there really wasn't a candidate. We have awesome candidates this year, but this Jokic season, it's the most special offensive season he's ever had. It's one of the great offensive seasons anyone's ever had in the history of the league. They're going to be a 3 seed and probably win 54, 55 games wherever they land with a lot of obstacles. Aaron Gordon missed over half the year. Christian Brown missed half the year. They were incorporating a bunch of new guys. They had really bad luck at the end of games. A lot of games that they just blew and should have won. And the case for Shay is a little different because they have the best record in the league, which matters. Shay has been the best crunch time guy in the league. But even though Jalen Williams was out and they had some other guys bounce in and out, that team is just a bunch of dragons. You know, every night they have 11 guys they can throw out there that would be the envy of almost every other team in the league. So right now, on Tuesday, I still feel like I'm voting for Shay. But, you know, over the weekend I was starting to look at Wemby a little more seriously. And the minutes thing I can't get past. But from an impact standpoint, I was like, fuck. It's hard to imagine a more impactful guy these last two months. Then Jokic beats him on Saturday. Jokic again yesterday with another, like, ridiculous. He's had five of like the nine most ridiculous games of the year. So I, I'm just. My point is I haven't crossed him off as an MVP pick yet. And one of the things I want to look at the last five days here is really diving into stuff like if you split the two guys, which team would be better? Who had an easier scenario? Who had the most memorable season? Because I think that matters too. When you think I have the. The narrative about the NBA, the four questions I always ask myself, and one of them is like, what are you going to remember first about this season? I think you'd have a case for remembering Wemby first this season because just watching him blossom into this generational alien and watching the spurs rip off wins like they did might be the first thing you remember. But Jokic would be probably one of the next two things, and so would sga. So it's just. It's a complicated one. It's really hard. I wanna make sure I get it right, but I just have not ruled out Jokic, so I wanted to make. Make that point. Um, all right, we're gonna take a break. We're gonna bring in pro jab and then Kevin Wilds. The Bill Simmons podcast is brought to you by FanDuel. The NBA postseason is here and FanDuel knows the only thing better than watching your favorite team win is winning along with them. Fanduel the best place to bet the teams players and plays during their playoff run. Build a same game parlay or try live betting and jump in after tip off. Don't forget, with FanDuel you get paid instantly when you win. Download the FanDuel Sportsbook app now and play your game. 21 plus select states are 18 plus DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Game problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER, call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org ChatInElectric Sam. All right, my friend Kevin Wilds is here. He's been coming on since 2008. 2009 range of my podcast through half baked ideas. You can watch him on first things first with Nick Wright, Chris Broussard on FS one Last time you were on, we came up with, we had two different ideas. One involved the tower for food, but then the one about playing credit card roulette. And that would just be the gimmick of an actual restaurant. Dave Chang said he would fund that right now.
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Let's go.
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Yeah. He said credit card roulette. I'm in. Can we franchise this? And then I never heard from him again. But he was excited for 10 minutes. So you come out and you do half baked ideas. These are not fully baked ideas. Normally we talk sports ahead of time, but I have a lot of stuff. You have a lot of stuff. I have mil bag questions.
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Oh, that I get to answer.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That's my dream. To have this become like a shark tank.
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Yeah.
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Episode I have where I can. I can judge half baked ideas.
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Yeah.
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If it's too baked, it's too good. I'm like, that's just an idea.
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I have six of them that I can tell you as well. But why don't you go give us your. Give us your starter. Give us. I'll give us your leadoff hitter.
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It's a. It's a little bit of sports just to prime the wheels.
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Okay.
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C
First off, Luca's going to Spain to get his hamstring checked out. Austin Reeves staying here. So automatically you got to look at Austin like, why aren't you going to Spain? Do you know? Do you not care? I'm headed to Spain. I don't know why. It seems it's Spain is nice this time of year. I'd go to Spain, but maybe Austin, whatever he's got commitments here. I'm not 100% sure how consulates work.
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Oh, where?
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You know, where, like, all right, I know, like, the, like, embassies were like, if you're in the, you know, embassy in France, you're actually in the usa, I think in the United States Embassy.
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Yeah.
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Could there be some embassy adjacent doctor's office maybe? Exclusively for athletes who need timely European medical procedures domestically.
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So in the German embassy, wherever that
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is, we will get platelets there. Yes. Get your platelets spun right here. You don't need to go to Germany. I would also, and I'm sure the FDA would say this is not how it works. I would try to say it was eco friendly, save on fuel prices nowadays. It's an eco friendly way to get global medicine. Maybe it's just an athlete carve out thing so you don't have to go
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all the way to Spain.
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Luca can stay here, go to the meetings. What's going on? That's the idea.
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I really love this. And, like, we have. The Canadian embassy is, like, kind of further away, but in my neighborhood. But it's this big, big, big place that I've always been fascinated by. It's just huge. And I always wonder what happens there and whether, like, when hockey players are in town playing the Kings, do they just get to drop by the Canadian embassy?
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Yeah.
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Have a labat, just hang out.
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Just what happens? Is it like the Masters, where they have that cool lounge that all the Masters players could play at, can just go into, have some drinks and food? Like, do they have that at the Canadian embassy? I don't know. I've never been to an embassy. It doesn't sound like you have either.
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No. The other option. And again, this needs more research. This is why it's half baked. There's a certain amount of distance you can get from the coastline where you're just in international waters. So you can have more of like a floating boat.
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Yeah.
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That you can go out to if you don't want to. Again, that's pretty far. And I think with the. With the waves, it might not be good for your hamstring. Unless it's a huge aircraft.
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So you're talking about, like, those, like, they'll have those gambling boats in the south.
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Yes.
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You go off the coast and all of a sudden you can gamble legally.
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Yeah. No one knows what the jurisdiction is like. Yeah, we're actually Spanish medicine here. There's tapas. It's a nice vibe for Lucas. He doesn't go all the way to Spain. That's idea number one.
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I was.
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I always thought that would have been a great Steven Seagal movie in the 90s. I wish Kyle Brandt could just pop in for two minutes. He's working on one of those gambling boats in Louisiana. It's, like, off the coast. But meanwhile, it's about to be one of the. He's like a disgraced used to be, I don't know, Green Beret. Now he's like disgraced. He's like a blackjack dealer and one of those things. But they're about to Ocean's Eleven, the big gambling boat. And thank God he's there as a blackjack dealer, because then you would also get Vegas hands, and he'd be feeling out the guys as they do the hands in the first 30 minutes of the movie. It's like, I don't like how these guys are communicating. Something's funky with these guys.
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Can I add something to it?
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Yeah.
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Did you watch Yellowstone?
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Of course.
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Okay. You know where they dump the bodies at Yellowstone? Oh, yeah. There's no jurisdiction. It's a little bit of that. Steven Sekal is trying to play by the rules. He calls the sheriff. He's like, that's not my jurisdiction. Calls the other sheriff. Hey, you're on your own, man. We don't touch that.
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Yeah.
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What? There's no authorities here. I have to do it all by myself. It's over a Die Hard situation. Cops can't control it.
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So do you think the embassy works that way? It might, for all we know. I think anything go there.
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I mean, I think you're just under the rules of your own country. But again, this is why it's half baked. I think if I do a certain amount of research, it just becomes really a bad idea. So I stop at one point and just keep it half baked.
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It would be one of my favorite things that Trump could just come off the top rope and get involved with where he gets upset that our athletes are flying overseas to get medical treatment, and he just decides unilaterally. I'm just unilaterally. Whatever is fair there is fair here. And then all of a sudden, athletic performance just skyrockets in America.
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Not a bad idea. All right, number two, this is a. I see that you're walking a lot. Are you still into walking?
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B
Oh, for whole. Since COVID Yeah.
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C
Okay. Do you go anywhere
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sometimes? Yes, but it always has to be some sort of circuitous root. But back.
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C
Okay.
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B
Yeah, but.
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C
Yeah, I know you don't live. You don't just, you know, run away.
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Couple times A couple times we've walked. It was like a special walk, but we walked all the way to the Santa Monica Pier, which I wouldn't recommend. It's a very long walk.
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That's. That's too far. Yeah. Okay. So last night I went to a Easter brunch. I was. I was just going hard at the Easter brunch. Several desserts. Blueberry cheesecake. I had a carrot cake. I had a lot of lamb with the mint jelly. It's going hard. Come home about 6 o', clock, I should go for a run. And it's Sunday. I'm supposed to be on this running program, so I have to run about six miles. Usually I like to run to somewhere, go get a coffee. It's like a nice little break point or have some destination. Everything's closed on Sunday. It's late Sunday nights. Easter. I've got nowhere to run. So now I just run in a big circle and I get back and I was. I was like, I wish I had some sort of goal. I'm calling this Uber Health. You call.
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You.
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You call Uber or. It's just a plan. I just enter in my plan in. The Uber algorithm takes care of it. Someone comes and gets either my remote control or my car keys, and it's aligned with my performance plan on Strava, and they drop it off four miles away, and they're like, hey, here's the pin. We dropped it off at the Santa Monica Pier. If you want your car keys, you. You've got to go get it. And you sign up for it. So every day, oh, I don't feel like running. I'm just gonna, you know.
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B
But you have to run to get your car. Yeah.
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C
You're stuck. You have to be motivated to get out because Uber Health has dropped something off four miles from you.
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And there's a discount because it's promoting good health. It's promoting people staying in shape and trying to better themselves.
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Yes. I don't know who's paying for that again. Maybe it's a government thing. If you want to, you could, of course, call a friend, which then combats epidemic male loneliness. So that's good, too.
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You're just a huge epidemic right now. You have Nick Wright. You don't have to worry about male loneliness because you have a best friend.
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I know, but people are being paid to talk to me. But outside of that, I'm just, you know, male loneliness is just an epidemic.
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B
Have you. Have you hashed out the Nick Wright thing properly with Jacoby?
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C
No, I don't Even know what you're talking about.
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B
Well, I think he felt like he was your buddy, and now Nick Wright's your buddy and I don't.
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No.
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Jacoby's grandfathered in, though.
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Okay. I just want to make sure you guys are good. Jacoby's sensitive guy.
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Of course. Yes. Again and again. I really need more friends that again, aren't being paid to spend time with me. Since Jacoby and I were coworkers for. You did a dozen years.
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B
Do you think there's a fixed amount of total time you can spend with another male friend before you basically just run out? Because I haven't run out with House.
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C
Wow.
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B
I've spent so much time with House, and I just feel like, what? Like we're like LeBron now, where LeBron's like, Is he going to play 24 seasons? Why not?
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No, I. I think you. I think. I think my relationships are so succinct that there's plenty of Runway.
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B
Well, plus you have the Irish goodbye. So people. You always leave them wanting more. You're the master of the Irish goodbye.
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And now it's weir. It's just. We're like at a dinner, I'll just drop my credit card and leave.
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My wife has an Irish goodbye friend. Her friend Meigs. And it's like a known thing. And she kind of, like, wears it, like, as a badge of honor.
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C
Is it only in bar situations?
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Because I.
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It's like gatherings. It's when they're all together. It's when, like somebody's birthday party. And it's kind of like a known thing now that she's going to do it.
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I think the whole world would be better off if we did it. I. Irish goodbye. Like my son's basketball game. If my wife and I are there, it does.
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Hellos are great. Goodbyes are terrible. That's the thing.
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Great. Goodbyes are terrible.
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It's great. Hey, you. Hey. But you don't need to say goodbye. Can I give you a mailbag one pretty quick.
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Can I give you a quick thing on hellos? This might be a little Larry Davidish. Hellos have gone. Hugs and big pounds and like, oh, my God. It's like, hey, what's up? I don't know. It's just one fist bump. I'm good. A solid old school handshake.
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B
Well, we're way more connected than we were in the 80s and 90s because now we have texts and FaceTime. There's all these different ways you can
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stay in contact with your friends. Now you go first time you see? Oh, what's up? Like, you know.
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B
Yeah, a little more performative.
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A little bit.
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Can I give you. I'm going to intersperse some mailbag questions, but between. To break up your half bakes. This is from Megan in Somerville.
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C
Hi, Megan.
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B
She sent this on March 4th and wanted to wish a happy International Woman's Day to all our fellow female listeners. But now it's April 6th. She lives near Harvard. Had this hat baked idea that when LeBron retired, he should get to do some sort of back to school thing. Cause he never went to college. He went right to the pros. Could you do your career in reverse? She said it's not fully fleshed out. I don't know if it's reality TV documentary or a horrible scripted movie. What school would he go to? Harvard probably wouldn't allow it, but Ohio State would. And then I started thinking like, is that like the Rodney Dangerfield movie? Is that the updated remake of Rodney? It's like one of the best NBA players of all time retires, but then goes to college for one more year. Rodney Dangerfield style. And he's rich. There's something here.
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Like Billy Madison style.
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B
Yeah, there's something here.
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C
Is he playing basketball?
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B
I think initially he's not playing, but then there's some injuries on the team and he really likes the coach and he realizes he could still rekindle his eligibility and maybe come back. And now it's a sports movie.
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C
I mean, it's a sports movie cross
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with back to school.
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C
He's got to be so old, though. That's the problem. Like he's like 44, but he's not old enough. He would die. Like, it works, I think a little bit better with Carmelo and Syracuse. Jerry McNamara is the coach.
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Oh, and he still has the three years of eligibility left.
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C
There you go.
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His buddy is. Can't get any recruits.
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It's like. And like. And then all of a sudden it's like, jerry, we need you. Final game. Like, Jerry's got his. He's had his uniform under. Yeah, But I think LeBron is still.
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B
He's too famous. Okay.
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C
No, not that he's too famous. He's too good at basketball at this point. Like LeBron would still be. Maybe this is super obvious, but it's insane. The number one draft pick right here.
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B
So maybe it's. Maybe it's Chris Paul.
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C
Chris Paul's great.
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B
Chris Paul never had an entry.
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C
Chris Paul and Wake Forest.
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B
He's going back to Wake Forest. Unfinished business.
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C
I love that idea.
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B
I Feel like everybody would come to his party too. Unlike at the Quippers. Like all the kids would want to go. They'd be like, you go into Chris Paul's house today and everybody would be excited for it.
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C
I like that a lot.
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B
All right, what's your next half pick?
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C
This one's great. This one is great. And this is almost so good. It's probably a real idea. Which means it's a bad half baked idea. Here's the scene. I'll just say I'm the main character at this point. I gather up all of the parents in town, all the sports parents, me and my team of coaches and I say, look, you want to be involved in my program? Let's say it's basketball. I'll tell you right now, there's zero chance your kid is going pro. And then my buddy comes out and he comes in from right from my left, he says, there's zero chance your kid's going D1 and then the other guy or D2. Like they'd be lucky to go D3. And then it comes back, it comes back to me. We're here to do one thing and one thing only. To turn your child into an intramural champion. To full train all. It's all. The whole program is designed to train intramural champions. At my Easter brunch.
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Yeah.
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C
The family friend son is playing like beer league hockey. He played hockey throughout his whole career. It's like, yeah, this is like almost the end game is to have a bunch of again, male loneliness guy friends playing beer league hockey. So it's in the. And the avenue towards beer league hockey is probably different than the avenue towards the NHL. The avenue towards intermural champion is different than trying to go to the NHL. You don't need to learn a bunch of stuff. You just need to learn stuff that's going to work in at to win intramurals. And guess what? If you're the intramural champion, you don't feel as good as an NBA champion. Obviously there's no financial rewards, you're not rich and famous. But when you're holding you are the champion of that day on that basketball court. There's only happiness only goes up so high and you are there.
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B
So as part of the program you teach the kids how to play flag football while they're also having a couple beers.
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C
Yes.
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B
How to compete when you're really hungover from the night before and you have an 8 o' clock basketball game.
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C
I can't. So I try. I need probably a Real trainer to tell me what moves you don't need. But I'm playing chess and there's chess openings that you can learn that if you master this chess opening you can get to a certain level, you can get to whatever 1200, but after 1200 your opening is no longer. That is just easily thwarted.
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B
Yeah.
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So I'm just going to teach the kids like right here. This move works in intramural. You will never work again. It won't work in D3 college basketball. But intramurals, this thing is great. This spin move is great. This little like slow Euro step is great. I don't know what the move.
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B
So baseball instead of teaching kids, all these kids who think they're. We're going to play Cooperstown for Little league when I'm 12 and then I'm going to go play and then I'm play college baseball and say no, no, no, let me teach you how to be a softball slow pitch pitcher. Right now.
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C
Let's start working on this right now.
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B
Yeah, let's start working. You can do like a thousand of these a day. Kind of spin up in the air. You're going to be like a machine. You're going to be great at this.
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C
And you will have a 30 year career. Never make a dollar, but you'll be great in your town. People will talk about you.
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30 years. Sometimes it can be 40. And then if you're in Chicago, you learn how to play without the gloves.
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C
What?
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B
Right, like in Rob Lowe. And about last night they would play the softball. No gloves. That's the Chicago. Yeah.
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C
Is that a real thing or was that with just in Rob Lowe?
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B
No, that's a real Chicago thing. I think they don't. Pretty sure.
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C
Softball gloves in Chicago.
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B
No gloves.
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C
There's no cloth. I have no clue. I had no idea that was a thing. I've met plenty of people from Chicago. It's never come up.
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Maybe it was the thing in the 80s and they got rid of it after too many. Too many people broke their heads. Yeah. Watch night. They're playing softball with no gloves.
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C
Hey, where's Brian? Broke his thumb. Oh yeah.
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B
Again.
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C
What do you think about these gloves?
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B
Yeah, it's the reason we have them.
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C
No, no, we're in Chicago.
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B
Chicago men are men. They're eating sausages, drinking heavy beer and playing softball.
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C
Like a. Not even a mitt. One of those.
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B
Go watch the movie. First scene in the end scene are both softball.
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C
No gloves, not even a handball mitt.
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B
Nothing. Nothing at all. I really like that one. I like setting the expectations early and just having lived through it with both of my kids and watching all the parents and how much time and money is spent on. On these travel teams and all this stuff.
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C
And happiness is being the champion. And being happy is not just for the pros. Someone's gotta be the intramural champion. It'll work.
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B
All right, can I give you another half baked?
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C
I've got a very fast one, literally. But go give me the half baked one and then I'll go fast.
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B
This is almost fully baked, but it's from Marcus Reed and it's about how much time he listened to the made up NBA awards pod Zach and I did last night. And everybody loves awards is the premise. We love mvp. We like Rookie of the Year. We get all this podcast content out of it. He thinks that how we have in the Oscars lead actor and supporting actor, that there should be a supporting actor mvp. Basically the Scottie Pippen award for the best number two of the season. And I was thinking about this and I was like, well, that's a dumb idea. And then I was thinking, I definitely would've argued about this on seven podcasts that. No, no, it's actually Stefan Castle.
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C
I love this.
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B
I think it's pretty good. Cause the whole point of these awards is you're trying to measure blueprints. So I almost think that's too good of an idea for a half baked. That's like a fully baked just should be an idea.
- [27:57]
C
Yeah. Is it named the Scottie Pippen Award?
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B
He named it the Scottie Pippen Award, which would be great. Um, because you know, Scotty, his confidence seems to kind of come and go depending on whether somebody told them that they loved the last dance that week. Um, if he had his own Scottie Pippen Award, maybe he could let the last dance go. But we have like, you know, the Kevin McHale worthy Scottie Pippen. People like that. But then you think like this year there would be an also funny outcome of if the Celtics won the title again and it was the finals MVP conversation. But then there's also the Scottie Pippen Award and maybe the same guy could win most of the votes for both. I don't know. It just feels like there's a lot.
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C
Who would win your. Who would win your. The only weird thing about the Scottie Pippen Award is like, I would.
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B
So I think this year Jamal Murray would have won.
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C
Okay. But then with Aaron Gore, okay, then you might as well just go all the way. Just make like a Tony KU coach third man award. Like the, like the Chris Bosch award.
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B
Like, honestly, not against. Sounds like more content for us. Yeah. Best third guy.
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C
I mean, if you have six.
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B
Six. Let's keep going.
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C
Just bet I'm the best fifth guy. Like, look, I always thought six was, was. Was absurd because, like, all right, like, I'm great at. I'm the best. I'm the best fifth guy. So if I was a little bit worse, I mean, I know it's different what a six man does.
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B
I don't love the six because I. We did. One of the awards we had last night was the 20 minutes a game or less award, which is the true bench guy.
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C
I like that.
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B
You're basically coming in, you're playing 10 minutes or less each half and you have to have an impact. So who that. So we said it was Jenkins on Detroit because he plays not a lot of minutes, but then if you have to start him for 12 games, he can actually come in.
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C
The Vinnie Johnson microwave award.
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B
We have to take a quick break and then we're going to come back more halfway.
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C
I like that.
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B
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C
This one's very fast. Had to go get tires for my car. They're like, the car is heavy. Any new tires? Like, how much is that and how? Like, we got to order the tires. Like, I don't know. I see tires all over the place. They're not here. Like, no, you got to get different tires. We got to bring them in. It was like a day and a half process to get These tires, not the biggest problem in the world.
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B
That being said, especially with phones, you can just sit in those uncomfortable chairs, do some drop it off. Give me your ass. Yeah.
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C
That being said, then we also went to Daytona for the show, and a lot of it is the pit stop. And in 10 seconds, a NASCAR will get four new tires and a tank of gas in 10 seconds. And I'm not saying you would do this all the time, but it would be a fun option to have a NASCAR mechanic shop just even for the experience. Oh, you need new. Oh, like, oh, yeah, I need new tires and a tank of gas and you pull off and you're done in 10 seconds.
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B
But you're paying five times as much money.
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C
Whatever. But it's such a great experience. It's a great experience. And you've got the person with the flag and they wave it and there's enough of a Runway that you can just speed out with four new tires. It's like. It's not. You're like, well, it's going to be too popular with 10 seconds. It's six car. I mean, I have to get into. It's six cars a minute. So we're doing 360 cars in an hour. How long can you possibly wait? You get. You put it. You're on the app for the NASCAR pit stop. Oh, honey, where's my time for the car? Oh, I've got to bring it in at 9, 10 and 40 seconds is when my time is. You're there and then speed out.
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B
Yeah. So you'd have to pay way more for the mechanics. But the flip side would be you're destroying every other tire changer place.
- [32:56]
C
You just have all the business and look, I'm not. I don't think this idea would land on deaf ears at the NASCAR executive offices as just a marketing sponsored content. Oh, where are you going? Nascar? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. How important are the tire new tires?
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B
That's really good.
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C
Maybe. And we don't. Look, we're not getting the best of the best because obviously those guys will be at NASCAR. So it might take 14 seconds, but if it's over 18 seconds, you get your money back.
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B
You know what the name of the place is? Pit stop.
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C
Well, yeah, that works.
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B
So you go on a pit stop later. Yeah, I'm going at 9, 13 and 32 seconds.
- [33:38]
C
Oh, that's great. I'll see. Oh, I'll just miss you. I'm going at 58 seconds up there at 9:12.
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B
Almost exactly the same time. All right, What's Next.
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C
Do this one.
- [33:52]
B
Okay.
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C
Well, you're gonna want to. You want a food one, or do you want a sports one?
- [33:55]
B
I want both.
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C
Let's do the food one. Did the Easter egg hunt.
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B
I have a food one that I can follow up your food one with. Okay, the Easter egg hunt.
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C
We did the Easter egg hunt yesterday. The kids are a little bit older, but it's just still fun. So they ran around, they found the eggs in the house, and they're like, all right. They were a little bit mad that the kids don't like change anymore. Yeah, I was a huge fan. I found a quarter and an egg. I was thrilled. Found a starburst in the egg. Great. We didn't. They don't want change. So I threw a silver dollar on one of the eggs. That wasn't even a big hit. We didn't have any $1 bills. We had a few starbursts. There was a handful of empty eggs, and they were mad about it. So they were like, you're one. You wouldn't like finding empty eggs. I'm like, I would. So then they hid the eggs for me and Libby, and then we went around and hunted the eggs, and we had a blast. And it was one part, like, we. They wanted to go get the eggs to find the food. And I think it hits on some very primal hunter gatherer part of our brain. Oh, I actually want to go find the food. Even a big shopping mall, a big grocery store. Oh, I gotta go all the way over there. I like it. I don't need everything delivered to me. So it's a restaurant in a large park, and you get a plate, like a buffet plate, but it looks like you're just in a park. And of course, there's natural things you can forage where there's lettuce planted and stuff like that. But there'll also be some just real dishes out there if you want. But there's only one or two of them. Like, oh, you want the. You want the filet? Like, okay, there's. There's one out there. Oh, do you want the Caesar salad? And it's either. There's two ways it goes.
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B
Survivor. Yeah.
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C
So it's so. But. And it's either. I can't tell if it's better if it's just, like, golfing and we're just. It's a buffet in, you know, Central Park. Oh, look at that. You want to grab that? And we're just walking around with our plates. Or it's more hunger. Holy shit. It's called Hunger Games.
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B
Hunger Games. You did it. You walked right into it.
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C
Or we're just like, we're in three point stances and we're screaming out of the gates to try to find the shrimp cocktail.
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B
Then you. You take it to another level. It's televised. And you also have celebrity. Celebrity chefs.
- [36:27]
C
Yeah.
- [36:29]
B
Oh, my God. Dave Chang made his slow roasted whatever. And where's that? I gotta find that.
- [36:36]
C
You're just running around.
- [36:38]
B
Yeah.
- [36:38]
C
And he's. And. But he's all. Dave Chang's in camouflage. He's in like one of those hunting blinds. Like. Oh, it's like a little bit of like, paintball. And I think it would be fun.
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B
That's really good. I feel like. I feel like people between ages 15 and 18 would go to that as like the same way they go to escape rooms. Oh, we're going to the Hunger Games today.
- [36:59]
C
Oh, my. Yeah, it's pizza night.
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B
All kinds of pizzas.
- [37:06]
C
Oh, he found a pizza.
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B
It was so good. This food one is from a listener named Brian angel, who wants basically Uber eats for your emotional sports state. Great example. You're a Boston fan. You sign up for the service. The Pats win the AFC Championship game. Doorbell rings right after the clock hits zero. You open the door, sitting on your porch, a bottle of champagne and some cigars. Or they lose, like in the Super Bowl. I don't know if you remember when we lost the super bowl and the game was over in like five minutes. Doorbell rings on your porch is a bottle of tequila, ice cream, and the 2018 Patriots Championship DVD. And then during the summer, with a shitty Red Sox season like we have now, it's a monthly delivery. Almost like when you join a wine club. It's just more beer. It's booze and sadness. So anyway, half baked is his thing. Uber eats for your emotional state. There's something there. It's not bad.
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C
I think it's a solid idea. You could probably get the algorithms to start following people's Facebook feeds too, and just let it open up beyond sports as well.
- [38:21]
B
The problem is if. Well, if you're in Buffalo and Cleveland, places like that, that you know there's going to be sadness would be way easier to stock up on the sad items when we get to, like a Josh Allen playoff game.
- [38:33]
C
So the caveat, the only thing I would add, and as long as this is an option I would like to select sometimes in these Patriots losses, do you want to feel better or worse? I would click worse a few times. I want to just wallow in It a little bit.
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B
Yeah.
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C
It's like, oh, my. If we lose to the Bills, I'd like to. I feel worse. Oh, here comes a plate of Buffalo wings. Fresh from the famous Buffalo wings place.
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B
So you can have a good experience with Buffalo.
- [39:06]
C
But you. It opens it up and it's like, ah, you stink in, like, your table breaks somehow. They like. I. I like. I'd like to wallow it in a little bit more.
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B
All right, what's your next one?
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C
I don't. Oh, this one's not bad. Did you know OBJ had a great catch in the flag football?
- [39:30]
B
Yeah.
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C
Fanatics fest, where the pros lost to our USA flag team. And the same as the elderly have to retake their driver's tests, or at least they should have to. Some of the older veterans have to go to the combine to just show what actual pros look like in the combine. So I'll see. Not just. Not just a pro day, like, not just a private workout with obj, but like, hey, oh, wow, this wide receiver looks good. Like, well, how does obj, who is supposedly washed air quotes. How does he look? Wow, look at Fernando Mendoza. He completed 35 of 37 passes. Like, all right, but how does, you know Spencer Rattler throw the ball? How does. How does. Whose eyes. I'm trying to think of Kenny Pickett. Does he look like Kenny Pickett? I need some sort of baseline for veterans in the combine, but I don't have a real twist on that. That's just a normal idea. That one's not that fun. Just veteran trying to figure out how.
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B
Well, I'm trying to figure out a twist that. And I can't.
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C
I don't think there's a twist to it. I think it's just a practical idea. Snuck in there, and I don't think it should really be there. So I'll switch it. I'll just move forward to this next one. We went out to a restaurant and Russell says the waiter comes over. A great guy. He's just very evocative. And he was. The kids loved him. And Russell's like, man, the waiter smells great. I was like, oh, I didn't notice. He was over by you guys. He's like, yeah, I think it's his mouthwash. I'm like, it definitely wasn't his. His mouthwash. I think it was just his cologne that you're responding to. But that being said, mouthwash flavored cologne, not the other way around. Cologne flavored. They're sensing stuff via. My kids think everything is mouthwash.
- [41:33]
B
So mouthwash that actually serves the purpose of cologne?
- [41:38]
C
Yes.
- [41:39]
B
When people are like, oh, nice cologne. You smell freshly groomed, but it's actually coming out of my mouth.
- [41:48]
C
I had a piece of cinnamon gum. My kids might have very sensitive nasal passages. I was eating.
- [41:54]
B
Is that bad eyesight?
- [41:55]
C
No. Is that a thing?
- [41:57]
B
Yeah. The worse your eyesight is, the other sense of sight. Oh, that's why I'm good. I have good smell and good hearing because I can't see.
- [42:04]
C
I didn't know that.
- [42:05]
B
Yeah.
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C
I was having cinnamon gum and they're like, are you wearing cologne? Like, no, they don't make. They don't make cinnamon cologne. This is cinnamon. I'm having the cinnamon gut. They got stinks. Like if they're experiencing mouthwash again. I don't think you want to switch around some sort of a leather tasting cologne.
- [42:24]
B
Yeah, I don't know how that would. It's a really good half bake. Because I don't know if you'd want a cologne taste in your mouth, but leaving your mouth, you'd want it.
- [42:32]
C
That's all I'm saying. I don't want it to always smell like mint. No one's like, wow, that guy smells great. Smells like mint. No one likes that. Ooh, wow. He smells like leathery tobacco.
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B
I have two small half bakes. Family related, not from listeners, from me, since you're talking family. 1. Do you do the thing where you take a picture of you and your wife or your wife and you mail it to somebody and then they get mad that you didn't clear sending the picture out with them in it first? Does your wife do that?
- [43:06]
C
It may have happened to me once a decade ago. So I don't have any recent experience with that. I know to always clear it,
- [43:15]
B
but that's kind of annoying, right? That every time you just be like, is this okay, Can I send this to Dad?
- [43:21]
C
I do an automatic delete on stuff that's. I'll send a picture where I look bad and my wife looks great as well.
- [43:29]
B
How about this? Can we take it out of both of your hands? Could there be a third party photo clearance where you just send it to somebody and somebody gives you immediate 10 seconds later, like, that one's good. You both look great. And now it's like, well, we're paying the service. They told me the photo looked good and they're just constantly green stamping everything. And now it's out of your hands. Because sometimes she'll be like, I don't like that photo. And it's like, well, I look really good in that photo and you look okay. Yeah, can't that, you know. But you're always gonna like down the photo that you don't look perfect in. So now we have a third party.
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C
Yeah, it's like an arbitrator, basically.
- [44:09]
B
Yeah, photo arbitrator. That's one. Then the other one. My daughter went out for Easter lunch yesterday with my dad who drove. And on the way home, my dad started driving down a one way street. Cause he's 78 split second and then realized and had to back up. And I was thinking, we all have these stories about our parents as they get older. And soon we'll be those parents. Is there some sort of race that could happen? Like what's that race in the streets? Le Mans, when they're going through like Paris. Would you watch old people racing with each other if they were heavily protected?
- [44:50]
C
Are they in vehicles?
- [44:51]
B
Yeah, they're in vehicles. It's everybody's 78 years old and up.
- [44:58]
C
Just a senior tour of senior.
- [45:02]
B
It's really a senior tour. It's a senior tour with people like. And if you can't win, you don't get to keep your license.
- [45:08]
C
Gee whiz.
- [45:09]
B
There's some. There's some real stakes. This is the race you have to win to keep your driver's license for two more years. But the cars are heavily protected. They're like, even if there's an accident, nobody's gonna get hurt.
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D
Flip it.
- [45:23]
C
Of course it's got a roll ca.
- [45:25]
B
And you got. They're really in there. That's why it's a half baked. I didn't figure out the part. If there's a bad accident, what would happen?
- [45:32]
C
There's plenty of. There's a few one way streets near me where it's not one way, but it's like when you get on a highway and there's two. It's like a curving highway and the sign screams wrong way. But it's facing the. It's for the other lane.
- [45:47]
B
Get confused and I have a moment of like.
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C
I'm like looking around.
- [45:52]
B
Connecticut's really bad with that, especially at night. And then Boston will just have these one way streets out of nowhere. No, like where you're going down a street and all of a sudden it's. That's it. You can't keep.
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C
No, you got to put the. You got to put those spikes up. Yeah, those rental car spikes. So you can only go one way. All right. Mouthwash colognes. We did casual Friday. That's a Stupid idea. All right, this one is. That sounds stupid, too. I need a title for this one. I'm calling it Lifetime Learner. So my kids are going into high school and middle school. They feel a certain amount of pressure to do well on their tests. And occasionally they'll have the classic youthful breakdown of, why do I even need to know this stuff?
- [46:46]
B
Yeah, Like.
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C
And, you know, every. I remember saying that, and you come up with some convoluted answer, like, well, if, you know, if you ever want to be a businessman. Or then sometimes I go the other way. And it was abstractly like, well, actually, learning is part of. Is the destination journey. Yes. It's just. So then they'll start telling me about stuff that they're learning out of the blue. And, like, this is actually fascinating what you're learning. Like, either parts of American history or parts of global history that I currently am not learning. I'm sort of locked in the sports world. And then I'm also just following my own interests. But maybe I want new interests. And, like, well, you can sign up for any class, but I don't know what classes I want. I'm. I'm kind of a fully formed person. I want the pressure. So I want someone to come in with real stakes. Like, if Russell doesn't do well on a test, it's not probably the healthiest thing in the world. So we try to balance it, but he starts thinking about my grades in college. And we try to balance it, but I need those stakes on me. So if we're out to eat, like, hey, you want to go to the bar? I'm like, phil, I gotta go, dude. I gotta study about the pyramids. Or my tax rate goes up, my taxes going in. You know, I'm gonna lose a bunch of money. I need real stakes to force me to learn something I'm not currently interested in.
- [48:21]
B
But you already have. Oh, yeah. Cause you have those stakes doing a daily show. But you don't wanna seem like an asshole. Cause you didn't know what's going on with football.
- [48:30]
C
No, but I like sports. I want to learn about. I would like someone to come in and be like, you know what we got to learn about grasshoppers. And be like, oh, why do we got to learn about this? And test on grass? Better know what these things are. You better know about their mating habits.
- [48:47]
B
And so, like, art history.
- [48:49]
C
I need. So I'll never learn it. I will. I will never learn it. I need someone. Like, we'll sign up for a class. I won't Go to the class. I need.
- [48:58]
B
What are the stakes of the class? So what would the state the reason this is a half baked idea. What would the stakes actually be to get you to care?
- [49:05]
C
Financial punishment. I mean, I think physical punishment is too weird, but it's got to be, you know, the care in the physical punishment.
- [49:12]
B
What the hell.
- [49:13]
C
Well, that's what I'm saying. It has to be a financial. Has to be a financial punishment.
- [49:17]
B
You have to, you have to lose something that you care about that you currently own. It's like, oh, my Tom Brady 2000 rookie football card. If I don't get a B in this class, I have to give that card to somebody else.
- [49:31]
C
It has to force me to study. And at the end of three months I'd be like, oh yeah, I know all about art history, I know all about erosion. I don't even know what I want to learn about, but I don't want to learn what I think I need to learn. I want to learn.
- [49:45]
B
I like the idea of you have to sacrifice something, but then if you get like a B plus, a minus or above, you actually get something. Something like you, you're like, I love knowledge. I love cards. No, I think you get a prize too. A prize? Yeah, we're a prize. Prize driven country right now. Hear about prizes all the time.
- [50:03]
C
Prize.
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B
You want to do a couple listener ones really fast?
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D
Yeah.
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A
Go.
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B
Nick from Chicago is really encouraged by Nathan. For you, Nathan, when he does something, he's all in rehearsing every single aspect of it and he wants to know what would happen if Steve Ballmer before the playoffs he took all the people that were gonna go to the Clippers game and they secretly rehearsed all of these different chants and things they were gonna do during the game. Nobody knew it was happening. And then the spurs come in for game three and the game's about to start and the Clipper fans are all aligned, doing some sort of crazy and try to mess with this. They've studied the spurs, they have chance for individual guys. All things that would fuck with the spurs in a gentlemanly way, not in a harassing way. Sure. Half baked idea. I just like the idea of an owner trying to orchestrate that somehow in silence. Because Nathan Fielder learned how to fly a commercial jet in silence.
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C
It doesn't seem to be that it.
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B
He could do it with that wall thing he has, but I don't feel like that could affect the game that much. Anyway. That was one.
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C
It's really more. Are we willing to have flares for Some reason. This goes back to the or first half baked idea about what's going on in Europe and different rules.
- [51:32]
B
Yeah.
- [51:32]
C
Big on flares.
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B
I don't understand that. I don't. I'm anti flares.
- [51:37]
C
I am too. In general.
- [51:39]
B
Yeah.
- [51:39]
C
You walk in a stadium, it's like. It's like a huge sparkler. I guess. As long as no one gets hurt.
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B
Jordan. That's Jordan. G. Wants to know why speech karaoke can't be a thing. Instead of giving. Instead of giving a song. Have you had this one?
- [51:58]
C
I've done. I think I did like stand up comedy cover songs. But this is close.
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B
That you just like everybody goes up and they give. He's like, I'm going to give the Gettysburg Address now. In front of their.
- [52:10]
C
Yeah, you give their friends. You give the mirror the miracle on ice karaoke.
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B
I'm not.
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C
I didn't like that one, but I like that one.
- [52:18]
B
Yeah, he had a better one.
- [52:19]
C
Okay.
- [52:20]
B
It's in eating. It's an eating competition like we have at the 4th of July hot dog contest. But everyone's on a zempic and they've been taking zempic for two months. And then they have to eat hot dogs, but they're not hungry because they're taking a zeppeh. What happens? How many can they get to?
- [52:43]
C
I thought speech karaoke was all right.
- [52:45]
B
Speech karaoke. And then I did this one with House. I don't know if you heard, but we had a listener talking about anesthesiology and anesthesiology bars and whether. I didn't know if you had a take on that.
- [53:02]
C
Well, outside of horribly dangerous. Yeah, but you go totally under and
- [53:10]
B
you can do it for as long as you want. So the idea was, all right, I'm going to get to the airport five hours early for my flight to get through tsa and then I'll have three hours to kill. I'll just go to the anesthesiology bar and get knocked out kissed. Because
- [53:30]
C
the theory, it's just like it just. I mean.
- [53:35]
B
And then you could just do this. And House was all in it because House said that there's nothing has made him happier than getting knocked out for his colonoscopy. That he went into this dreamlike state and he loved it and he would do it again.
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C
Yes, that was the other half baked idea. But I don't think doing it for three hours. Did you watch? Did you see Hail Mary?
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B
I didn't see it yet.
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C
Oh, it's good.
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B
Yeah, it's good.
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C
But you Know the premise. Like, Ryan Gosling wakes up after.
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B
Yeah.
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C
You know, he's been out for a while.
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B
That anytime that happens in these movies, it always comes out great for the person who wakes up.
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C
Yeah. They always have, like, a long beard. That's always one of the first things. Like, I got to get rid of this beer. Ryan got too handsome.
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B
Any last topics? Are we done?
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C
I'll just fly. I'll just. I'll go. These are the three quick ones. Ready? Rapid fire.
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B
Rapid fire. Half baked. Yeah.
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C
Rapid fire one. Casual Friday in the NBA. Look, everybody's got uniforms on casual Friday. Just wear a pair of shorts and a T shirt. It's like casual Friday. Watch the games. Hey, you guys wear just kind of lightly colored T shirts. Wear. Wear darker colored T shirts, but just your own shorts. Whatever you want. It feels more pickup.
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B
I think they should do that for the tanking games when. When the season's over for both teams. Like, just make it a casual Friday.
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C
Just wear any T shirts that you find.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Number two, another karaoke thing was in trying to listen to Bob Seger. I didn't know the words, and I. I wanted to really sing. Just like how there's warnings on your car. The words are right there on your screen. So you can sing along to a song that you don't know while you're in the car by yourself. Oh, finally.
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B
Wild bird's more dangerous than my senior citizen.
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C
No, it's just. You can. But it's. But it's.
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B
It's in the windshield.
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C
Yeah, it's transparent.
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B
Okay.
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C
Wild bird mix. Can I attract other animals other than just specific types of birds? Hawks, coyotes, fox. I wouldn't mind a mountain lion. What do I need to put out there? Finally, this is a little bit of your sports czar classic, the, you know, the. The godfather of. Of half baked ideas where you just wanted to be a government official in charge of all sports. Yeah, this is a little bit of. And this is a little bit. You used to talk about your wife, how she would pick up on, you know, emotional social cues from teams while you guys were watching the game about the Lucas injury and Austin Reeves injury, where JJ is now saying, oh, you know what they were. We had talked to the medical experts. They were cleared. You know, Austin, he was cleared too. Just a regular guy who's barely paying attention is on the staff. You're like, nah, I don't know, man. We're down 30.
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B
The VP of Common Sense.
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C
That's it.
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B
Get him out. OKC is going to kill us.
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C
We're down 30, bro. I saw him grab his hamstring. He heard it earlier. So, like, he shouldn't play. And Austin, he said it was his back, but, like, nah, dude, we're down 30. Let Bronnie get some run. That's it. The whole season went billion dollar franchise. Like, well, the doctors cleared him too much. There's a guy when I walk, when I walk, my dog walk around and they have a big screen tv. Whatever that person is watching is the number one show in America. You'll watch football, basketball. Like, I'm like, that. The State of the Union. Like, that is the number one hit like this. I don't know what the person does. They should be hired by. They should be a media executive. Just like, yeah, I like that. That'll work. I'm the common sense.
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B
That's all. This is great. How are we feeling about the Pats?
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C
The Patriots? I feel great.
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B
Okay.
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C
The Red Sox, I feel terrible. UConn, even though we're taping this on Monday, I feel great. And Celtics, I feel great. So I don't follow hockey.
- [57:26]
B
This thing has been amazing. It's been amazing. It's been like a gift from the gods.
- [57:31]
C
I was so nervous about Tatum because I think I'm a bit of a Achilles baby. But he's just great, and I'm happy for him. And Jalen's playing great, so I'm just thrilled.
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B
I'm happy for everybody. I really like watching the team. I like the coach. I like all the guys on it. It's been a home run. I give this season an A.
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C
Yes.
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B
It's been an A plus season. They're going to win, like, 56, 57 games. Tatum looks like Tatum again. It's like, whatever happened at MSG almost a year ago, it's like just this ugly, blurry memory that almost feels like it didn't happen now. It's great.
- [58:06]
C
Are you in bonus territory? I felt like I was in bonus territory with the Patriots.
- [58:12]
B
Yeah. Cause they weren't a Super bowl team. It was amazing. They made the Super Bowl, Right. I think all of us were like, wow, this is amazing.
- [58:20]
C
But you're not there with the Celtics.
- [58:22]
B
You're like, I think Celtics can win the title.
- [58:24]
C
Okay. I'm still. I'm in a little bit of bonus territory with the Celtics. Like, Jalen tweeted, like, 50 wins in a gap year or an off year or whatever. He tweeted, I think I'm in bonus territory. Like, this would be a championship. You steal.
- [58:37]
B
The thing is, I wouldn't have totally believed if it wasn't for those games in San Antonio and OKC that week, where in one of the games they didn't have Tatum and then the other one, Jalen, got thrown out. But I just thought, I felt like they handled the speed and the athleticism of both of those teams in a way that I don't think a lot of teams can. I think really only Denver can, maybe Minnesota, but I just felt they seemed comfortable in those games. That would also be the reason if you're a Knicks fan, you beat the spurs and you hung with OKC twice when you played them. It's like, at least, at least we seem like we belong in games like this. I think that's how you have to think the Celtics belong in games like that.
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C
That's right. I believe in the Knicks. I believe in playoff. Jalen Brunson. I feel like they're sleeping.
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B
I'm not as much of a believer.
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C
But no one believes in them. No one believes in them.
- [59:30]
B
They haven't really given anyone a reason, though.
- [59:32]
C
I just believe. I think it's. I think it's a little bit of a flip.
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B
The switch team what's Nick Wright's chief state of mind right now?
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C
Very good.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Two first round picks shore up the defense. Patrick Mahomes posting videos of him running around. He's ahead of schedule. Kelsey back has anyone been behind schedule
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B
after a major surgery in the last six years?
- [59:55]
C
Only Brandon Aiuk. He's the only one.
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B
That's it.
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C
He's the. Everyone is ahead of schedule.
- [60:02]
B
Everyone's like feeling great and way ahead. And wow, we can't believe the progress. Except for him.
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C
I think the medical community with athletes did something like the airlines are like, you know what, we're tired of being late. Just say every flight that takes five hours takes five and a half hours. Like, hey, good news, an early arrival is going to get you there. Like, we're actually 25 minutes late.
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B
We never did a master's half bake, by the way, but I guess we just forgot.
- [60:29]
C
Do we usually do that?
- [60:30]
B
No, it's just the Masters are this week.
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C
Oh, I don't have anything.
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B
I mean the only hat bake with that is just the best part of the Masters is you have to give away your phone and have human interactions with people and maybe that's just an event that people should just do. It's like a festival. Like instead of fanatics fest. It's just like give up your phone and talk to human beings. Make some new friends fest. Kevin Wilds. I think my favorite was you tapping into the embassies. I think you really cracked something with that. I want to find out more. I'm going to google it tonight. Great to see you. You can watch Kevin on first things first. Say hi to the gang for me. Great to see you. My buddy.
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C
Seeing you.
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B
All right. As you know, I love betting golf majors on FanDuel. FanDuel, a brand I trust. Easy to build by bet. You know you're going to get your winnings instantly. And in the NBA last week for my Wednesday bet, we rode Victor Wembanyama to a massive almost 9 to 1, same game parlay, 35 plus points, 14 plus rebounds, spurs to win. It hit. So this is gravy. Like I maybe I'm on a hot streak, but we came through last week maybe to keep going. I think in Augusta, I'm looking at Justin rose 27 to 1. Following the advice of esteemed Hollywood agent James Baby Doll Dixon. We both like Justin Rose. Something about it. If he's ever going to win at Augusta ever again, it's gotta be right around now because he's getting older. So there you go. Be sure to check out all the ringer specials from House and Nathan and everybody else on the FanDuel Sportsbook app prior to the tournament. Don't forget to use your Mulligan boost token so you have a chance to take another swing if your bet's not looking good. Fanduel. Play your game.
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A
K Pop Demon Hunters, Haja Boy's Breakfast meal and Hunt Trick's meal have just dropped at McDonald's.
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B
They're calling this a battle for the fans.
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C
What do you say to that, Rumi?
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B
It's not a battle.
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A
So glad this could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.
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B
It is an honor to share.
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A
No, it's our honor.
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B
It is our larger honor.
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A
No, really, stop.
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B
You can really feel the respect in this battle.
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A
Pick a meal to pick a side
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C
and participate in McDonald's while supplies last.
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B
Nathan Hubbard is here. He hosts Fairway Rolling with Joe House. He also hosts every single album, a fantastic pop culture music podcast. We went to the Masters three of the last four years. We didn't go. This year. I didn't care that I didn't go. But now it's Tuesday and I feel sad.
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D
I do, too.
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B
I wish we. I do, too. I miss the eating. I miss the not sleeping. I miss not having my phone for three days. I missed the walking and I missed some of the storylines and there are some good ones this year, even though we don't have Tiger, Scotty Sher. People, I. There's no conversations left to be had. Rory already won the Master, so we. We have the. The biggest one. What's the biggest story left for you? What's the biggest Master story we have right now?
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D
I. I think it's what you just said, which is that for since 2022, coming into the Masters, we've had a dominant player who kicked ass in the first three months of the year and walked into the Masters and won it in 22, it was Scotty. Then Rom walked in in 23 and took finally, you know, the Masters as a Spaniard. Scotty again in 24. And last year, Rory won the players. He won at pebble and came in and broke through. This year, we just don't have a dominant player. There have been classy winners. We've had Morikawa. Scotty's got one. Justin Rose has won. Cam Young has won. Statistically, we have more elite players entering this tournament than at any time since 2004. And so when you couple that with the fact that a bunch of the best guys are coming in on more rest than ever, all 11 of the last 11 Masters winners have not had more than one week of rest. And there's guys coming in with two, three, even four weeks of rest. Scotty we haven't seen since the players, he's got a new baby, so all these gather.
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B
Way to go.
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D
Yeah, great job.
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B
Well, way to look at the calendar.
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D
He's nine days old. Yeah, I think he did look at the calendar because he managed to sneak it in with 10 days to spare. But I think the story is that with no Tiger and no Phil for the first time since 1994, there's a possibility that we get one of those randoms this year, we get a Charles Schwartzel or a Danny Willett, because we just don't have a dominant. He's the man going to come grab the crown this year.
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B
That's a really professional answer. There's a lot of podcast reps for you. I felt like I was hosting SportsCenter.
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D
I mean, we got to deliver something on Fairway Rolling.
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B
But what's the sexy story that's left? Because I have an idea for one, but I don't. I want to see if you had the same idea.
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D
I, I. You, you tell me. I mean, there's.
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B
There's one. Just give me one. Just give me the. What you think is, like, the one that would get the gallery the most intrigued there.
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D
I. It's Bryson DeChambeau winning. I he's the most popular golfer on the planet. He's finished two, you know, top tens here. He's got second places at the last two PGAs, but he's secretly really struggled in final rounds. Even that 2024 U.S. open that he won. That's part of the Rory McIlroy narrative arc. Like, Rory gave him that. And he's won the last two live events. Walking off that green on the last live event where he beat Jon Rahm, who statistically has been the best player over the last three months, he was in tears. Something's going on in Bryson's personal life that he doesn't want to talk about publicly.
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B
But.
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D
But for all of his sort of head games, and most of golf is like 90% between the ears, if Bryson has something going on outside, that sort of focuses him as the most popular golfer on the course and really candidly on the planet. Bryson coming in and actually getting this win, he kind of belongs in that player's dinner room, doesn't he?
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B
He's more popular than Rory, like for these next four days, I think, I just think Rory's still, even though he won, Rory's still the most popular. Rory going back to back. I think people would root for that over Bryson.
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D
Yeah. It's only happened three times. And in fact, like in the last 20 years, like, only, like three guys have finished in the top 10 while defending. It's just so hard. Rory's already on site, I think, you know, you listen to him, he's still processing. Last year, it was definitely, it goes down as one of the all time classics. Right. That Tiger in 2019, Tiger in 97, Jack in 86, I think are the four biggest Masters moment certainly of our generation. And so I, I, it's just a lot of work to defend and host and Norman blowing it up.
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B
I put Norman in there too, even though he lost for sure. I don't have Rory on my list. Okay, so the two, I think Rory going back to back and Bryson winning are the two biggest possible outcomes for Sunday.
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D
Yep.
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B
Sneaky one is Fleetwood, who if you're just talking about somebody who has been in the WWE for 15 years but never actually got to hold the belt. He's never really held the belt. What does he have? He has eight top tens and majors. Even last year when he was trying to get off the hump of PGA titles, I forget what, what city that was, but he finally had one in Atlanta. Yeah, he seemed like he was going to choke. And then in the, you know, last couple holes rallied back and that was fun. But to me, he's like the most talented. And again, this is casual golf fan Bill, but the most talented guy who doesn't seem like he has one of these. So that was one. But we know he's going to choke, so it's not even worth talking about. I know he's not going to come through.
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D
Only five guys have ever won the Masters with one or fewer PGA Tour wins. He's coming in with top tens in four of his last five starts. He's still playing well. After he won the Tour Championship, it seemed like it took him to the next level. Problem for Tommy is that his putting numbers right now are not awesome. He's 120th on tour and putting. And they're talking this week because, I mean, the last couple years you and I have been down that you remember the weather that we've had, we've had a lot of rain and I think that's secretly made the course a little bit easier for some guys. This year the weather's perfect. They've had a dry winter in spring. Sounds like the, the Green Jackets are tired of nine straight years of double digit below par victories and that they might flex the muscle of the course and make it a little bit faster this year. So for putters who aren't putting well could be a little bit of a struggle this year.
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B
So Ludwig, second in 20, 24, seventh last year. Him winning and putting himself on the map I think would be interesting, but he seems like too sexy of a pick. That's the one a lot of people are pointing to. He doesn't have the best odds, but he's like in the top eight for odds. And it's just fun to be like it's his time. So I almost am automatically disqualifying him.
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D
There's no doubt that he's going to win one of these, but he's shown us some colors over the last month and even last year. So he's coming in with a T3, a T5, and a T5. He had the Players Championship in his hands and he choked it on the back nine. There's just no denying it. On Sunday, this past week in San Antonio, he had a real opportunity to go win and he had another mediocre Sunday. And when you rewind to last year, you sort of forget it. He was briefly tied with Rose and Rory on the back. Last year he finished bogey, triple bogey, and ended up falling down. So there is when we talk about a little Bit of that scar tissue. He's got quietly, a little bit of that scar tissue. But you're exactly right. You know, he's 26 years old of the generation that's just a shade below 32 year old. Bryson, 31 year old, you know, Romney, 29 year old. Scotty, that, that's the guy. And it's just a question of when, not if.
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B
Morikawa. Little bit 31 to 1 on FanDuel, but a little bit somewhere like kind of needs a moment. We've been waiting. We've been waiting. I don't trust him either. I wouldn't bet that.
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D
Well, you shouldn't right now because he was the consensus guy at the players and he was, he had the best iron play on tour in the first start of the year and you know, Augusta is the, you know, the second shot golf course on tour. Right. You've got to be able to hit your irons well. He takes a practice swing on his second hole. He's got all of the handle on him at the players. Takes a practice swing on his second hole and throws out his back. He hasn't played since. And we've gotten some intel on the ground that he did a, he did a practice round yesterday with Scheffler and a couple of other guys, but he was mostly just chipping and putting. He's withdrawn from the last couple of events. He's not healthy. You should not trust Morikawa this week.
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B
And Patrick Reed, 43 to 1, hometown kid, already has one. It's always fun when he's involved because it's like you get like a little mini villain coming in and. Yeah, and, and coming back from Liv, I don't know, 43 to 1 seemed like decent odds. I wouldn't bet it because it's not fun to root for him.
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D
No, but I like him as like a first round leader. I mean there is a real redemption arc with Patrick Reed coming back now. He, he left Liv Ripp off a couple of wins and a second place on the Euro Tour and suddenly like you forget last year he statistically was second in ball striking at the Masters behind Rory McElroy. So he, he's actually sneaky, playing very, very well and, and that dovetails into, I mean, you tell me.
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B
I, I, 30 to 1 for first round leader.
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D
I, I, I, I don't hate it in the same way that Brooks Koepka. I bet you get better odds there. Koepka, his fellow sort of LIV defector, was second on the PGA Tour in approach play until Houston. Yeah, I Mean, Brooks's problem has been the putter. But he came back specifically to prep for these events. I think when Rory won last year, it really triggered a lot of those live guys to consider what was happening at that point. You had sort of the undisputed best players in the world were Scotty and Rory. Right. Scotty won two majors last year. And I think for these guys who really, all that's left in their 30s is to win majors, they decided that the PGA Tour was the place to be. And both of those guys quietly have been playing really, really great golf.
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B
Here's who I'm picking and betting on.
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D
Okay.
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B
He's 45 years old.
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D
Oh, my goodness.
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B
It's his 21st Masters. He's a three time runner up.
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D
Yep.
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B
He won the 2025 US Open. He won in Torrey Pines in February.
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D
Yes.
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B
He finished 13th at the Players.
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D
He won the 2013 US Open.
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B
He is the most fun. He didn't win the 25. I'm blanking. He won the 2013 U.S. open. I don't know why. I wrote down 20, 25.
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D
Most fun.
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B
He's the most fun old guy. Story left. You need the old guy. Mid 40s, 45, I can identify with this. I'm old and you're old. It's like, look at this old guy battling these young pups. 35 to 1 odds for Justin Rose. I mean, it jumped out at me. Baby doll. Esteemed, esteemed agent slash manager James Baby doll Dixon, also old dad. This is the one he targeted as well. And I like the 45, 46 range as like, this is my last stand. If it doesn't happen now, once I hit 47, 48, 49, the math is just against me, but 45, 46, still doable. So I think eye of the tiger. I have to do it this year. It's wide open. There's no awesome. There's no awesome golfer right now. This is a wide open field. I have some confidence I'm in the mix with some of these things. Why not?
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D
I think it's a great call out. I mean, he is now averaging the most strokes gained approach, more stroke skin approach than at any other time in his career, more than when he won the US Open in 2013. And we've just watched him make putts so many times in so many clutch situations at the Ryder Cup. He was dominant at Torrey Pines this year. Now, he's missed a fair number of cuts. But I think to your point, he doesn't give a shit about the week in Week out tournament. All he's trying to do is go win a major. And he handled the loss in the playoff last year with so much class that it does feel like he's due. It's a little bit like that. When Sergio won in 2017. Right. It just felt like it was his time and maybe he was due.
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B
So the thinking is it's a now or never tournament for him.
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D
Yeah.
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B
We know he's clutch because we see it in the rider.
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D
Absolutely.
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B
Like he, he has it in him. It's not. I don't have to worry about like a Tommy Fleetwood situation where I'm up three on the 12th hole and then all of a sudden something's going in the water. No. And I also don't. Who is he fearing? If there's anyone out there. I like 45. That's right. Where like when Nicholas won in the masters in 86, I think he was 46 and that seemed ancient, but now 45 is like 39 in 1986. I feel like that's like late 30s, 40 years ago.
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D
Yeah. And the only comparable potential old guy would be an Adam Scott, but have him down too.
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B
Adam Scott, 70 to 1, 45 years old and apparently second best guy with the irons in 2026 so far. Need the irons at Augusta.
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D
That's what you need. He finished fourth at Riviera. And there's a lot of similarities between guys who win at Riviera and guys who win at the Masters. Now, Tiger obviously never won at Riviera, but Scott showing his stuff at Riviera made our eyebrows go up. I like him actually as a potential first round leader just because he's had those moments on this course. And it's him or Angel Cabrera, fresh out of. Fresh out of the slammer.
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B
75 year old on hell.
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D
Or Vijay VJ. Vijay actually showed out in Hawaii at the beginning of the year and played decently well. So I could see Vijay as a make the cut bet this year.
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B
I like that. Adam Scott, Justin Rose battling in the finals. Two old guys as the announcers just go nuts. One other one that jumped out to me just because of the odds. Harris English is a hundred to one.
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D
Yeah. He's been really struggling with both his approach play and his putting this year.
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B
But where's he from?
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D
He's from. Yeah, okay.
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B
Fair from Georgia, had success last year. But that because he's been struggling. The odds are. Are crazy. Hundred to one. But I don't know. I like when the, when the people are from Georgia. I always do feel like that's like a little bit of a. Something like if you're ever going to get your shit together, it would be in your home state course, you know.
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D
Yeah. Well, with that in mind, you might, you might look at Jacob Bridgman, who won a golf tournament earlier this year and has actually been at the top of the FedEx cup standings in the beginning part of the year. He's kind of an unknown, but who has just surged to a ton of success basically because he's the best putter on the PGA Tour. Went to Clemson, so he's not far from Georgia and certainly from a regional perspective understands that golf now, first time winners, you know, the last 16, we haven't had a first time winner since Fuzzy Zeller. So these guys don't tend to win. But you know, From a top 10, top 20 standpoint, Jacob Bridgman is just that guy right now and worth taking a look at.
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B
80 to 1. Yeah, pretty good.
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D
I mean, there's a couple other guys that you got to pay attention to and, and you talked about Harris English. My concern for Harris is that he had like a Jordan Spieth 2016 at the Masters moment, except his was at Beth Page at the Ryder cup where he just really, really struggled. He and Morikawa were a pairing that fans got down on and they didn't play well. And it sort of started the unraveling of, of the US Team. Not clear to me that, that he's recovered from that. But the guy who was sort of the dog at Bethpage for the US Was Cam Young. Right. He got that breakthrough win. He's the last regular season event. He really is. And he's tied for fifth in most top tens at majors. He's got six top ten since 2022. That's only behind Scotty, Rory, Xander, Bryson and Rom, all of whom have won. So he's finished T9. He's finished T7 here. He's shown that he can do it and he's 20 to 1. The last time we saw him was at the Players Championship in the last two years. Rory and Scotty both won the Players and then went on to win the Masters. Cam Young just won the Players, so he's a, he's a very interesting pick this week.
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B
I'm like a six on the Masters this year. Really? I mean, I love the Masters every year. I'm just saying there, like. No, I got really had my hopes up for Tiger House and I talked about it last week. Yeah, all the, all the little smoke signals that were Coming out that he was going to play, I really like. To the point where we were like, should we go? Should we try to rally last minute. That combined with the Rory thing being a year after the Rory thing, I think there's something with golf majors where when there's like a spectacular generational tournament, it always feels like the next year sucks. Yeah, I don't know why that is.
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D
There's a definite letdown possibility here, for sure.
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B
The weather, I think's going to be weird. We don't know that's the one Now. I'm glad we're not going.
- [80:10]
D
Okay. We've talked ourselves out of it just in the course of 15 minutes.
- [80:15]
B
Coachella, really quick. Yeah. Still happening.
- [80:19]
D
Apparently it is.
- [80:22]
B
My. My son is apparently going this year.
- [80:25]
D
Oh, boy. Would you ever go to Coachella? You just can't. The crowds are too much for you.
- [80:30]
B
I told you, it, it's. It checks all the boxes I have for things I wouldn't want to do. It's a long car ride. You have to plan way ahead on where you're staying. It's large groups of people and all kinds of possibilities for getting Covid again. All these different things. Dirty ass kids, a lot of walking. I never feel like I'm in the right spot. It just sounds horrible. I don't think I've been to. I'm so old. I haven't been to a music festival since, like, the K Rock, Hot Dog, whatever. The one. What was that? The Weenie Roast?
- [81:02]
D
Yes.
- [81:02]
B
That was really fun. I saw one of those, like, in the height of, like, the comeback of alternative music. I don't know if I could top that.
- [81:08]
D
Come on, man. You got the Strokes out there this year. You got.
- [81:12]
B
I mean, this is pretty exciting.
- [81:14]
D
Yeah, all eyes, I think, are on Justin Bieber. Because what's not clear is, you know, listen, he's had a lot of struggles, right? He's maybe the tiger of the music business. And the question is, you know, is, can he pull off an entire show? Because he has not been able to tour for a long time because of a bunch of issues. And so he walked out on stage in the Grammys in only his boxers and played what people thought was a pretty compelling set until he walked off and left his loop machine going and then walked back on to turn it off. So he had sort of a double leave, which made people a little bit unsure. But look, Bieber. Bieber secretly put out a really great album. And the only question is, I think, whether he can deliver a full show. If he does that for two weekends in a row, his career's back.
- [82:05]
B
And then. Sabrina Carpenter. You're compromised on the Sabrina Carpenter question because of business interest, but seems like she is the biggest star. Coachella.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Correct.
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D
It's a big one. Yeah, she is. Nobody works harder than her. And she's just. She's sort of been able to stay above all of the messiness that a bunch of these pop stars get into and just deliver. And it's. Cause she just. She just. She's got a bunch of hits, and she gets up there. She's got. She's cornered, you know, smart, cute, dirty lane. And she just. She's kind of more clever than anybody else.
- [82:41]
B
House has cornered that for us at the ringer.
- [82:44]
D
I guess he has just the dirty
- [82:46]
B
part at the end. At the end.
- [82:47]
D
I was gonna say he's got the dirty.
- [82:49]
B
Not really cute dirty, though, dirty. He has, so. And Taylor Swift is just. We're gonna get the. She's having a kid announcement anytime. And taking two years off is that we're just headed that way.
- [83:01]
D
We're definitely headed for a wedding. The thing that I don't know is she just never stops working, man. And I think even though by the sort of streaming numbers and the statistics, this last album was technically her biggest in terms of the way that it pierced culture or didn't pierce culture, I think it probably feels like a little bit of a disappointment. And her history is not to then go away. Her history is to keep going and lean into it. So, you know, it's now been a couple years since she wrote all these songs. There could be more coming.
- [83:35]
B
Well, the issue for her is once you start skewing a little older and then younger people want their own version of you, and it's really hard to win that group when they just, like, I like this person. They're closer to my age. And that you belong to this other generation, and I want one for myself. And that now you're battling against that, which is.
- [83:56]
D
She's 36. You got a whole generation. It's just like, you know, in golf, there's this whole new generation of Ludwigs coming up who are staking their own claim and who young people seem to identify with. Again, statistically, she's still crushing. Her fan base is massive. But it does make me wonder, you know, the love story, like wedding between John Jr. And Carolyn Bessette, like, we haven't had one this big for a long time. I wonder if they may just run into a cabin in Georgia. Speaking of Georgia, just like they did to get this done, to get it away from from where everybody's going to. The prying eyes on this thing are going to be ridiculous.
- [84:32]
B
I think it's the opposite. I could almost see them like pay per viewing it. I think it's going to be a big spot. I think they would want to go. Diana Charles, early 80s level.
- [84:40]
C
Yeah.
- [84:40]
D
I mean, it's coming out. We have no details. I think it's going to happen over the summer. So I'm waiting to hear. But if I'm them and I, I think they do it small and get this thing over with.
- [84:53]
B
The bigger question to me is, can somebody make influential, awesome music when they're happy with their personal life?
- [85:00]
D
Correct.
- [85:01]
B
It's a great question. We've been trying to answer it for 70 years. And, and you go back to all of the best albums by all of the best artists for the most part are people who were in pain, upset at somebody. Felt. Felt betrayed, felt hurt, Generational angst. Yeah. Felt unwanted, felt misunderstood. And that's what most art comes from. And if you're just like, yeah, this Travis Kelsey guy's great. I'm having a great time, then what are you singing about?
- [85:33]
D
I think that's the concern. We just got two EPS from U2 that we didn't need. We just didn't. It's true, you know, Give me the young Bono who's done it.
- [85:43]
B
You too was done. And then they came back in 2001 and it was basically, they had already won. They did everything they could possibly do and it was like, it's a beautiful day. Like, that was, that was their album. They're just happy. It's like, hey, everybody.
- [85:57]
D
Yeah, they started forcing our, their albums onto our iPhones. It was a mess. But I, I, I do think you're onto something. Which is why, by the way, Stevie Nicks, there was like a fake announcement. Yeah, there was a fake album announcement yesterday that got quickly corrected with People magazine. But supposedly, I don't know, we still may get a little Lindsay Stevie drama before it's all said and done.
- [86:18]
B
Come on.
- [86:19]
D
Yeah, I think there's a little buzz that perhaps there's gonna be some more music together. I don't know, man.
- [86:26]
B
Supposedly there's a big documentary coming out about Fleetwood Mac that obviously was devastating to me because that was my all time dream music documentary that crushed you. Somebody pulled it off and got everybody to talk and I'm really interested to see how it plays out. As we've discussed many times, I know we got you the most Interesting band. Of all the bands.
- [86:50]
D
We gotta get you on every single album. Talking about rumors.
- [86:52]
B
That's the 50th anniversary.
- [86:54]
C
I know.
- [86:55]
D
It's my white whale.
- [86:56]
B
This is it. All right, Nathan Hubbard, anything else before we go?
- [87:01]
D
No, I just wish she did. I mean, come to Coachella weekend, too. We'll go to the Sahara tent. You can see there's no way, no
- [87:08]
B
scenario where I ever go to Coachella.
- [87:11]
D
It's over for you.
- [87:12]
B
Plus it's during the. During the playoffs and stuff. And basketball, like last week in a basketball. I don't see anything. Excuse me. We're too old.
- [87:21]
D
All right, well, let's watch the master.
- [87:23]
B
Coachella to our children.
- [87:25]
D
We'll watch the live stream Coachella and we can watch the masters on the couch this weekend and see if we get a little more drama than it looks like we're going to have going in.
- [87:32]
B
All right, well, thanks for coming on obliviating about the Masters. It was great to see you, Nathan Hubbard. We could see you on fairway. Rolling. And every single album. Say hi to house.
- [87:44]
D
Will do.
- [87:45]
B
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- [89:39]
A
So how long do you think it took you to hook you all the way in?
- [89:44]
B
Probably around episode three, four range.
- [89:47]
A
Okay.
- [89:48]
B
Once you have a feel for it. I don't know what took me so long. I knew I'd like it because I really liked ER the first five, six seasons.
- [89:54]
A
Yeah.
- [89:55]
B
But the premise of it is just so smart, where they're basically looking at ER from a million years ago. That was the biggest show we had. Medical shows always work. And then it's like, you know what else is a big show? 24. That show crushed in the 2000s. What if those two shows just merged together and we had Noah Wiley on it? I wonder if this will work. And we'll put it on HBO and we'll be able to push the envelope with some of the stuff you see in the er. And I mean, of course this worked. This must have been the easiest pitch of all time.
- [90:29]
A
What do you make of the idea that initially, rumor has it that initially they wanted to make it an actual, like, Dr. John Carter spinoff show, like Noah Wiley still playing John Carter just this many years later.
- [90:41]
B
So I don't feel like. I just feel like he's Noah Wylie with both characters. I don't even really remember John Carter enough to know what the differences are, but it's basically the same guy. They tried to give this guy a little bit of a backstory, but it's. I still feel like it's John Carter. They're just calling him Dr. Robbie.
- [90:58]
A
Yeah, it's basically the same guy. The. The story purportedly is that the Michael Crichton estate was like, give me that money if you're going to make it off of ER. And they were like, nevermind, it's Dr. Robbie. He has nothing to do with John Carter. It's completely different city. It's a completely different hospital.
- [91:15]
B
By the way, smart decision. They didn't need John Wells or any of those people for this. Why what did they have to pay them?
- [91:21]
A
John Wells.
- [91:21]
B
Yeah.
- [91:22]
A
John Waltz.
- [91:22]
B
I mean, not John Wildstop. Michael Crichton.
- [91:24]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Crichton estate. Yeah. I mean, I think that, I think this show is an absolute smash. And obviously it's winning awards, it's hugely popular, but yeah, it's so addictive. And there's something about. There's something so old school, of course, about just spending all this time with characters that you're interested in. And that's what season two has really become like. You and I were talking a little bit earlier today about the differences between season one and season two. And season two is just so much more, hey, do you like these people or are you at very least interested in these people? Then you're just gonna spend time with them, not do that big like mass shooting premise that they did in season one. Yeah.
- [92:03]
B
I gave you my theory that season one felt like the kitchen sink. We have no idea if we're even gonna get a second season. Let's go all in. We have 15 episodes. We'll throw everything into this and we'll make this like the craziest day an ER could ever have, all in 15 hours. And then season two is like, hey, we want this show to go on for six, seven, eight, nine years. We can't do the kitchen sink thing again. Let's take our time. Because I thought season one was better, but I understand why they played season two the way they did.
- [92:36]
A
I also think season one is better just because it was so unexpected. Like we just didn't see the show coming at all. And it absolutely swept everyone up. But I mostly agree with you. But I also think it's a, you know, they were insecure in their first season. Cause they're like, we're not sure that people are going to emotionally latch onto these characters that they'll even be able to tell what's going on. There's so many characters they're introducing in season two. They have the luxury of. We're already invested in Frank Langdon. How is he gonna come back to the Ed or like, you know, all these other characters? We're already in the middle of their story. So I feel like they don't. It's a little bit more self confident in that they don't feel like they need a big event in the second season to get us in. Do you know what I mean?
- [93:14]
B
Yeah, that's a good point. And also, you're discovering a show. Season one is always gonna be a more fun show, shinier. It's this Whole new world. I think one of the things I really like about it is sometimes we don't get resolution with some of the stuff that happened. Like in the first season, you have that lady comes in who's clearly probably being sex trafficked with the pregnant lady.
- [93:38]
A
Yeah.
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B
And we're there with them for maybe three episodes, and then they just kind of leave. And you're like, I wonder what happened? And you just don't know because that's probably what it's like to work with an er. You're constantly probably asking, like, little questions to yourself, like, what's going on with that family? What's going on with these people?
- [93:55]
A
Right. And they're not. Yeah. They're not trying to make a documentary. They're not trying to be, like, extremely realistic with the show, but they are trying to show you people who are in the span of the same episode right and wrong. You know, like, there's no character on the show, maybe. No. Not even Mel King this season. There's no character on the show who's always right and always gets it right and is always correct in their opinions. And there's no. Most of the cases aren't clean like that either. You know, the mistakes are made, things are missed, you lose patience, you win with the patients, but it's. You never know how it's gonna turn out inside of the pit. I think the one thing you can always rely on is that they're gonna try to really challenge your expectations about something. They like to show you a character and ask you to assume something, assume you know who they are, and then turn the tables on you at some point. And so that might get tired around season three or season four, I don't know. But for right now, that formula is really working well.
- [94:53]
B
They also have if for you to extend the tale of the show. You can always just get rid of
- [94:57]
A
Doctors, which is what they're doing. They had a big announcement this week that they're getting rid of a main character, and they got rid of one in season one as well. Dr. Collins. Right. Dr. Collins left after season one, and they've got another casting announcement of the season. So, yeah, you can rotate the cast in and out. How are you feeling about. There's so much excitement around the night shift crew. How do you feel about the night shift crew as they're sort of clocking into the ED at the end of season two here?
- [95:24]
B
It's a new wrinkle. I mean, as you know, I own a lot of Sean Hadassey stock.
- [95:30]
A
Dr. Abbott, you love him.
- [95:31]
B
I do. Good tennis player. I played tennis with him a bunch of times. But it was funny knowing him before he got this show. Cause, you know, everybody out here, it's like, I'm trying to grab this job. You grab that job, and then you end up on this show, which is like one of the phenomenon shows of this decade. So I want more of him. And just in general, like, I'm starting to get a little tired of some of the people that have been on a lot, and I want new people.
- [96:00]
A
Ciara and I were talking about this on the Watch last week. This idea of maybe in the second season they could, instead of showing us a whole day shift, they could show us sort of half a day shift, half a night shift. You know, like moving the night shift in even a little earlier onto the roster. That could be interesting. But, yeah, I'm curious to see who they bring in, who's new next season. I really. What did you make of the new med students? We got. We got Joy and Ogilvy this season. Like, did that. Did those additions work for you?
- [96:25]
B
Okay. I don't think there's been, like, who's your favorite of all the side. I mean, everybody. It's so funny. I went through all the phases of this show and clearly my favorite character was going to be Dana. Like, there's just no question, of course. And so right in, it's like, well, that's Ciara's favorite character. It's like, of course. Should have guessed. Of course she gets punched having a cigarette, which I thought was a tough one. Tough one for cigarettes break lovers. Because I was, like, so excited she was having a cigarette break. I was like, I couldn't love Dana more. And now she's having a cigarette break and then boom, some guy assaults her. But yeah, I love Dana. But then probably my. My other favorite one is the one who didn't have an apartment in the first season.
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A
Oh, Whitaker.
- [97:10]
B
Whitaker.
- [97:11]
A
Yeah.
- [97:12]
B
And I don't know, I felt like I was, like, strangely invested in him. And there's a couple I really don't like, but I know I'm also not supposed to like them.
- [97:21]
A
Who don't you like that you feel like you're not supposed to like.
- [97:23]
B
Well, the one that turned in our guy, all he's doing is trying to dip into some pills. Leave the man alone. He's still doing his job.
- [97:32]
A
What's wrong with giving some drugs for people who need?
- [97:35]
B
It isn't hurting anybody. I'm literally hurting people. But it's fine. No, I didn't really like her character and I understand why she did, but I thought in season two, they have really ramped it up with her and made her more know and like they're clearly trying to make her a little more villainy and it's working for me because I don't like her.
- [97:54]
A
Dr. Santos. You're out on Santos. Well, how do you feel about bringing Langdon back the way that they did this season? I'm a huge Frank Langdon fan, so I'm like, glad he's back. But Ro, Rob and I have been talking a lot on the Prestige show about the fact that, you know, they brought him back without really seemingly to involve hr and he's, you know, the, the, the drawback of we're going to do an entire shift one day and a season is he's just like speed running his 12 steps to just be like amends, amends, amends, amends in one day.
- [98:24]
B
Well, what'd they say? It's like eight months?
- [98:27]
A
Yeah. Between. Between the two, I think. Eight or ten months. Yeah.
- [98:31]
B
So, yeah, I had some notes. It felt like they glossed over. It felt like a multi part crime that he was committing of putting patients in danger, stealing drugs. It doesn't seem like the kind of thing where you'd get your license back. And I also understand why Dr. Robbie was upset about it. Thought that was fair. I think he should probably not be too trusting. But yet this is one of the things about the show. I'm like rooting for him to get his shit back together. I like the character. I actually thought he was other than Dana, probably the strongest, most realistic character. I'm interested in him.
- [99:11]
A
I'm really invested in Dr. Langdon's redemption arc. It's just funny to watch him try to make it all happen in one day. One shift on the ED1 4th of July. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [99:23]
B
We've seen this before. Like I thought the first few years at er, I still think they hold up, they're really good. But when Anthony Edwards, his character got assaulted and then was dealing with all. Basically had PTSD from it, wasn't telling anybody and was trying to keep working and like, holy shit. And he's in charge of these. Trying to do the right thing with patience and all this stuff. And we're watching this guy unravel. Like that whole concept is really fun for these hospital dramas.
- [99:54]
A
Yeah. And I don't know if you were still watching the show when it happened, but Carter, Noah Wiley's character had a, had a drug addiction issue on er,
- [100:02]
B
so like I Think I was out at that point.
- [100:04]
A
Yeah, there's. There's no. When Clooney was out, you were out. You're like, I'm done. Clooney's gone, I'm gone.
- [100:10]
B
I did a good, like, six, seven years, I thought. When was the one. When he got. Him and Kelly Martin both got attacked.
- [100:17]
A
Yeah.
- [100:18]
B
What song was that? It was like a Nine Inch Nail song or. I thought that was one of the best, like, five minutes I've ever seen on television.
- [100:24]
A
Some of the most traumatizing things I've
- [100:26]
B
ever seen in my life. Really disturbing. Yeah. Like, really deep, deeply disturbing.
- [100:30]
A
Yeah. That was, like. I want to say that was season five. Something like that.
- [100:34]
B
I think I lasted through Clooney.
- [100:37]
A
Yeah. Through Kelly Martin. And then once they bump her off, you're done.
- [100:43]
B
I started watching because I told you this. Sherry Stringfield, who I loved on NYPD Blue, was on also on er, and then that was like, I'm gonna follow her there. And that was it.
- [100:56]
A
I don't have the answer to this, but I wonder how much. You know, maybe they've talked about it, but I wonder how much. Pitching this to Casey Bloys at hbo. I wonder how much they're looking for shows that will also help bank some boost, some of their library shows. Because if you watch this on cr.
- [101:12]
B
Yeah.
- [101:12]
A
Goes right to er. And we've heard from so many people who are watching ER for the first time just because they love the Pit so much and they wanna spend more time with in the hospital. And it's suggested to them on the app. And so they're like, okay, let's go.
- [101:24]
B
Well, it's funny, if you notice he's on the screen. Grab for the show. At least on my tv.
- [101:29]
A
Yeah.
- [101:29]
B
It's like er, and it's like a young Noah Wiley who doesn't have 30 years of ER disasters wearing on his face.
- [101:36]
A
Exactly, exactly.
- [101:37]
B
No, the first five years of that show are unassailable. Some of the best tv they had the best directors. They did a Tarantino episode. It was really great.
- [101:45]
A
E.W. mcGregor was on. Yeah.
- [101:48]
B
And also a really overqualified cast, which I think if you're gonna ding this show. ER had people, especially the first couple years, where it was just. It was immediately clear Clooney was a major star. Edward, it was like, this guy's making movies. You could just see it. You knew Juliana Margulies. She was headed to other things. Sherry Stringfield maybe was like, this is where it's gonna end. But Noah Wylie was like, what's gonna happen with this guy? I don't know. You could tell me anything, right?
- [102:20]
A
And he, you know, he was on there for so long. Eric Lasalle, of course, was also on there.
- [102:24]
B
Eric lasalle was another one.
- [102:25]
A
He was great.
- [102:26]
B
And then Gloria Rubin was on that show. She was great.
- [102:28]
A
Like, I just feel like then they, like, brought Linda Cardellin. They brought in. Yeah, Linda Cardellini. Poor Tierney, you know, like, yeah, some of the late, late people were amazing too. But, yeah, you're right, that, like that the Pit, other than Noah Wylie and our guy Sean Hadassey, you know, this is a lot of people that we have not seen at all. They're either brand new to the industry or we're working in theater. But I think that was a budgetary gamble they made. Right. To have this massive cast that they could pay very little money to and the whole. And budgetarily, to set it all inside. This one set saves them so much money. They barely ever leave this one set that they've built. So it's an inexpensive show. Uh, it's a huge phenomenon. It's probably gonna win the Emmy again this year. So it's just like one of the biggest return on investments. You know, you compare that to, like a throne show, which is costing them millions and millions upon millions of dollars with, and is less of a cultural phenomenon than the Pit is, at least right now.
- [103:27]
B
But you know what's funny about er, Most of those people were nobodies. I didn't know who any of those people were. Except for Anthony. Anthony Edwards and Sherry Stringfield. Those are the only two people I knew. I knew Eric lasalle from Coming to America.
- [103:39]
A
He's been around. Yeah, right. Let your soul glow.
- [103:42]
B
Yeah. He was at least a little famous.
- [103:45]
A
Yeah.
- [103:46]
B
The bigger picture to me is, like, first of all, are just hospitals, police and fire. These are just the undefeated things that we have for the rest of eternity.
- [103:56]
A
Yeah.
- [103:57]
B
Every 10 years, like, just, all right, fuck it, let's do it again. I was watching General Hospital when I was a kid, when Luke and Laura were on there. And even, like, hospitals, that wasn't even. There was a hospital show before General Hospital that was huge. I remember when ER and Chicago Hope were going at each other at the same time. It was like this big, big thing. Then Grey's Anatomy. 10 years later. It feels like every 10 years there's another one of these.
- [104:22]
A
Yeah. I think what's interesting about this show is that they're really trying to beat the Grey's Anatomy allegations. So they've, you know, they've insisted. Like, we're not going to do relationships inside the show. We're not going to have people hooking up in exam rooms. That's not the show we're going to do. Like, so that, you know, Shonda. Shonda Rhimes took the medical template and then made a, you know, just a soap opera about it.
- [104:43]
B
Shonda.
- [104:44]
A
Yeah, yeah. She. Shonda edit. And so they're like, we're not going to do that. I like the 24 comp. We're going to. This is our premise on that framework of a medical show that never, you know, never disappoints. Like always comes through.
- [104:57]
B
Yeah. It'll be interesting if they spin it off and they do. About a group of podcasters right before the White Lotus season finale, the 10 hours leading up to it, with crazy shit happening in the office.
- [105:10]
A
They keep trying to make podcasting work on tv, but you can't make it work because they just keep pretending it's radio and it's just not the same thing at all.
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B
I'll go further. Not only has it not worked, it's been really truly terrible every time. Embarrassing. There's not been one outcome where it's been awesome. So Noah Wylie.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Who was. I don't wanna say his career was over, but it kind of had hit the end of the line. Right. And I think even he talked about that in some of the interviews. Like, yeah, I was probably gonna have to start selling my house. And like my moment had kind of come and gone. I just felt like Noah Wylie was so good in the show. I kind of didn't really totally see it coming in the way he's in. I think the stuff, especially in season one, the stuff he's doing week to week, I was just really impressed. And I know he won all the awards. I'm not breaking new ground saying this, but it's weird. Somebody in their 50s to be like, I didn't know you were this good of an actor.
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A
I think he's incredible on the show. Like I have been talking for last couple weeks or whatever about should he take a slight backseat in season 3 just cause he's doing so much, he's writing, he's directing, he's ep, he's the face of the show on every single interview. That's mainly cause I'm concerned about Noah Wylie's like mental health in terms of Robbie being the center of the show. Like he is incredible. Like he's so watchable. He's you. You find yourself watching his face to see how he's reacting to something. You might not always agree with how he's reacting, but you're always interested in what does Robbie think about this. And there is no show without Noah Wylie here. That might not always be true, but right now, there is no show without Noah Wylie. I'm sure they want it to run forever, and perhaps eventually he'll Clooney out of there. But it's his show and you love to see it. I think he stayed employed since the end of er. He was making the Librarians movies for TNT and stuff like that. He was working, but it wasn't anything like this. And to see him sort of all the way back, front and center, in the limelight, in the biggest thing going on TV right now. He's getting his Walk of Fame star in a couple weeks, I think. And it's just like, I don't know. You love a comeback story.
- [107:21]
B
No, I mean, his career was at the point where he would have been like Jon Hamm's buddy and your friends and neighbors who was actually stealing money from his boss, but he would have been like the third or fourth lead, right?
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A
If even that. Because he wasn't even getting that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
He's carrying the show. And I'm sure, like, there's so few awesome parts. I'm sure there's other actors in his age range who are like, fuck, like, what a great part. You know? And like, what you said about how you really. He really. He's the moral compass of the show, but he uses silence really well. You know, like in the first season, when that couple, they don't want to take their son off the ventilator, and he's trying to get them that way, and they're like, here's what we want to do. And he does that, like, no Wiley pause, right. And just, like, makes a couple faces and is like, okay, I get it. All right, I'll come back. But it's just like, you can read his face with what he's thinking, which is a really hard thing for an actor. I think I've been really impressed.
- [108:23]
A
How do you feel about the season two? Robbie's on the edge. Robbie might be contemplating suicide. Robbie might not be coming back from his trip. How do you feel about that storyline?
- [108:34]
B
Well, I thought it was interesting. He rode a motorcycle without a helmet. That you work in an ER, and about you, Mr. Safety, and you're just flying around Pittsburgh now. I know they're trying to drum up this stuff. One of the things that's so Cool about his character in this show is that. I mean, I don't really know anything about his background with who he was with, what's his type? You know, like, what, is he gonna meet somebody? Is it like. There's no date scene. We don't have to see Dr. Robbie at a bar having a drink with somebody he met online like that. This show just punts on all of that. And they're all about, like, the hospital and the work and the relationships and the work and all that other stuff. You know, the closest they'll come is when he's on the roof or, you know, the very last scene of the last episode, the first season. But it's just not interested in that stuff. And I kind of like it.
- [109:26]
A
Yeah, I think they're trying to get that a little bit with, like, bringing in this guy Duke, who he worked with on the motorcycle. And, you know, they bring in people's family. Like Mel's sister Becca comes in. You know, like, the family members come in. Dr. McKay's dad, played by the great. Her own dad, Brad Duraf, comes in season one. You know, her ex husband's there. Like, yeah, they have family kind of coming and going a little bit on the edges. But yeah, it's like mainly about the work, which is sort of the whole point of the show, which is about these people have terrible work, life balances and like, their lives are their jobs, so they don't have time to have other relationships at all.
- [110:01]
B
Right. And then you use that as the crutch for why you don't have really. Because my job. But your job was also, like, all encompassing.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know one other thing I love about this show, Tell me. Just the random guest actors that pop up where you're like, hey, that guy. It's like the guy from Last Days of Disco. There he is. What's he doing?
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A
What a call. What a call.
- [110:23]
B
Yeah, there's a million of those on this show.
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A
Do you want them to keep it, like, small? Like, hey, it's that guy. Because eventually, ER was like, Sally Field's gonna.
- [110:31]
B
You know, that was one of the reasons I stopped watching. And I thought it hurt with the cameos. I never understood that. It's like on SNL when they just. They try to write sketches so some celebrity can walk out and the crowd can go nuts. I like when they had. This is like the all time deep cut. But in season one, they had the guy who was in one of my favorite sports movies as a kid, Fast Break, who was in Vision Quest, who was An Officer and a Gentleman as the guy who was rooming with Richard Green. Tall black guy named Harold Sylvester.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
And he was the old guy in Season one. I was like, harold Sylvester is back. But they had a bunch of those. I would much rather see that than celebrity cameos.
- [111:16]
A
That's really fun because every week we hear from listeners of the Prestige feed who are really excited about a certain. You know, they had an actor who was on Law and Order, like all the different Law and Order franchises. So the Law and Order people are chiming in. Or Lou Ferrigno's son. Lou Ferrigno Jr. Was on playing the sort of orthopedic guy who comes in and, like, holds up the severed leg. And our listeners sort of lost their mind. They're like, That's Lou Ferrigno Jr. He's on 91 1. We love him. And I was like, oh, the whole son is here. That's cool. You know? But, yeah, Mary McCormick showing up. I feel like they're bringing these people.
- [111:48]
B
Mary McCormick was a good one.
- [111:49]
A
Yeah, they're bringing these people for, like, one or two episodes. Elvin from the Cosby show was on this last week. You know, like, I think that's really fun. I agree with you.
- [111:58]
B
Yeah, we need to go a little more 90s early 2000s, maybe get some sort of random party of five person. It just really keep me on my toes. I'm mad that I wasn't watching all the time. Cause I would have loved listening to you and Rob try to break this stuff down over just watching 28 hours of this over four days.
- [112:16]
A
Well, did you watch you and your wife watch it together, or did you break off and sort of plow?
- [112:20]
B
No, we did no couple. We did no streamer. Cheating.
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A
Okay.
- [112:25]
B
You stayed faithful. Cause I was able. Cause of the setup I have for my job. I was able to keep the basketball on as we had, you know, So I was able to bang it out.
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A
So here's the thing I don't know about you. One thing that people really love about the Pit is that they get really emotional about it. I don't feel like you're a big TV crier. Do you get emotional about pit storylines? Like the story about that kid who had. Who was, like, brain dead in season one and they did that honor walk for him?
- [112:54]
B
I'm not a TV crier, but my wife is. And one of my favorite things is when it starts to get emotional and I won't look, but I'll sneak over and then I'll look and she's like, yep, Jeff, it got me. And that happened at least three times in the two seasons. Like, they really kind of go for it a couple times. But then, you know, you watch these shows and you can't help but think about yourself in these situations or family members who have. I don't think it was probably healthy to watch, to binge watch the show. The other thing is it showed the start of a childbirth. There's a couple times you're like, oh, what about a heads up? Or the guy with the maggots and the cast, they do a good job of jolting you in the grossest trauma. Oh, my God.
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A
I couldn't handle it. Yeah, it's the de gloving for me. Anytime there's a de gloving where the skin has come off someone, I just. I just can't. I can't handle it. I can't.
- [113:52]
B
So how far. How far are they going to go with this show? We have. We have two episodes left, season two. There's a lot of cards left to play with some of the doctors and the junior doctors and the nurses, stuff like that. But there's some things they haven't done yet.
- [114:08]
A
Well, I mean, we don't have, like,
- [114:10]
B
creepy, possibly sexually harassed a patient guy that's coming. Right?
- [114:16]
A
There's. There's things they haven't done yet, but all other medical shows have done, but they haven't done it the way that the pit does it. So, like, you know, every time you see a storyline, we've been hearing from people who are like, oh, they did it on this medical show, they did it on that medical show. But that's okay. If you recycle things that we've. Obviously, there's only so many medical things that can happen.
- [114:33]
B
So is this a whole genre where people just watch every one of these shows and know every single thing that's happened?
- [114:38]
A
Well, yeah, because it's their com. Like, people love procedurals. They. It's a comfort wash for them. Right. They love their fire shows, their. Their police shows and their medical shows. And so you know what to expect every week. And you come in for the comfort. The pit alters that a little bit because they don't wrap up every case at the end of the hour, so you're left hanging, you know, like, these cases extend the drama between the people, extend week to week. So it's a slightly different version of that comfort procedural watch. But I think this show could run for 10 years. Honestly, I think it could.
- [115:11]
B
If they figured it out, Max would Love that. I mean, this is so the question. One of the questions for me is if it had just been on Sunday nights on HBO at 9 o', clock like they have with some of their signature shows, would it have worked in the same way? Or was it actually, like, this was the perfect hybrid. Max show feels hbo, but it's really a Max, and it's just kind of perfect for where we are in 2026.
- [115:34]
A
Well, my understanding is it was part of their previous effort, which I think they've slightly abandoned, to try to distinguish between what's on Max and what's on hbo. And this was like, this is a throw network kind of show that we're gonna do on Max. But I don't think they're really that invested in that anymore. And I. I think it could have worked just as well on Sunday night. Hbo for sure.
- [115:58]
B
It's a. HBO is an interesting spot because they're running the Euphoria trailers and they have this show that now has three of the single biggest stars that we have. I know are all in the show. I don't ever in a million. The only time I can really remember anything like this happening before was Friends, when Jennifer Aniston, Courteney Cox and Perry were all like headlining movies all at the same time. But I don't even know if they are as famous as the three people on this show. This is. I feel like we've broken new ground with this.
- [116:29]
A
Well, that was a different era of television, of course. Right? Like tv. Yeah. They, you know, Aniston movies. Yeah. But like, also, the difference with Euphoria is that, you know, they've been making this show since 2019. So, like, like, so infrequently, I've been rewatching Euphoria season one to prepare for season three. And, you know, they're just like such babies. You know, Sydney Sweeney and Jacob Elordi are just like absolutely tiny babies on that first season. So their entire career exploding. It is insane to me that they got this cast back together for this season.
- [117:03]
B
I don't understand it. I don't know. I don't know how they pulled it off.
- [117:06]
A
I don't think we want to know how much money was involved. But, like, I. What, What I do know is that I've heard from a ton of people, including our guy Andy Greenwald, who have been out on previous seasons of Euphoria, who are like, I'm in for season three because it's undeniable. You're not going to watch the show with Sydney Sweeney. And Zendaya and Jacob Elordi. Zendaya, who's in the biggest movies that are coming out this year. Like, of course you're going to watch it.
- [117:29]
B
I mean, you can argue she's the single biggest under 40 female movie star.
- [117:34]
A
I think she is, like.
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B
And you could argue Sydney Sweeney's at the top four.
- [117:38]
A
I mean, she's up there, man. And Jacob Elordi, Oscar nominated. You know, it's just sort of like. Like, it's wild that all of them are together in a show like that. Yeah. Zendaya this year for Zendaya is absolutely insane. Right. Dune 3, a Spider man movie, this Robert Pattinson movie that's doing more numbers than I think people thought it was going to. And she's just like, I think she has. She's the biggest star that we have.
- [118:01]
B
She probably has the highest approval rating of any male or female star. And I think people really like Elordi. I don't think there's a lot of people, like, fuck that guy. Whereas Sydney Sweeney is the most polarizing male or female actor or actress we probably. Probably have.
- [118:15]
A
I. I will say I had a tough time with Elordi just because his character on Euphoria is so tough. But it's been long enough since season two that he's done enough other stuff. But I was. Yeah, when I'm rewatching, I'm like, oh, yeah, Nate. Nate on Euphoria is a tough watch. So I'll be curious how the Elordi fans who haven't watched Euphoria, how they
- [118:32]
B
feel about how many show. How many Tell Me Lies seasons have we had since Euphoria?
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A
Right. Five. I don't know.
- [118:38]
B
Tell Me Lies, like, took a lot of the Euphoria playbook and, you know, although it's hard to outdo Euphoria, I
- [118:46]
A
don't think you can outdo Euphoria.
- [118:47]
B
I don't have a great feeling about the season. I've heard from a couple people that it's really good.
- [118:53]
A
I watched. They sent over like three episodes.
- [118:57]
B
Oh, you watched?
- [118:58]
A
I did watch them, yeah.
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B
So were you happy or not happy?
- [119:01]
A
I thought they were really good. But again, there's just this, like, you're watching these incredible actors, you know, but with, as is always the case with Euphoria, you kind of feel grimy watching it. Like, you don't feel great after watching an episode of Euphoria, you feel grimy. I feel Sam Levinson is like one of the most divisive people making television right now. But Zendaya's incredible in it, and that's just the best thing to watch. The whole cast is really good.
- [119:30]
B
So are you watching Imperfect Women on Apple? You stayed with that one, right? No, no.
- [119:36]
A
Should I be? What do you think?
- [119:38]
B
Listen, if you put. If you put actors that I've seen on a. On an Apple box with some sort of. Somebody died, I'm probably gonna watch. I just am.
- [119:48]
A
How often are you looking at your iPad? What's the iPad percentage ratio for that show?
- [119:52]
B
Oh, my God. I would say 70% on the iPad doing stuff and then 30% looking up. But I think I know what's happening for the most part. My wife likes it.
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A
It.
- [120:04]
B
It's catching three actresses at strange points of their career where all of them were probably bigger stars seven years ago, and they all kind of just combined together for this pretty generic crime. I mean, all these shows seem the same. Like, everybody's worried about what AI is going to do for TV shows. It's like, yeah, it's like, hey, there's a murder. Whoa, let's go backwards. Oh, I wonder if this person did it.
- [120:31]
A
That's the thing you can say about Euphoria is like, yeah, you've never seen
- [120:36]
B
a show like this.
- [120:37]
A
AI did not write this. Yeah, no, absolutely.
- [120:39]
B
You know what I enjoyed, though, was the comeback episode of your Friends and Neighbors.
- [120:44]
A
Okay.
- [120:45]
B
I was actually excited to have that one back.
- [120:47]
A
Was it Marsters? Was that what did it for you?
- [120:50]
B
You know, Jimmy Mars came back out of nowhere. He's playing a billionaire. He's playing a brash, confident billionaire.
- [120:59]
A
And it did it for you. And so no looking at the iPad for the your Friends and neighbors season two.
- [121:04]
B
I'm like 70% watching that one. Yeah.
- [121:07]
A
All right.
- [121:08]
B
I don't mind that show. That one's solid. Trying to think if they're. What were the other ones you've been covering on Prestige? Because some of those. Some of them I'm not watching.
- [121:16]
A
Right. Love Story. You were kind of out on at the end, right?
- [121:20]
B
Oh, I loved Love Story.
- [121:22]
A
I thought the ending didn't work for me.
- [121:23]
B
I just thought the last three episodes could have. I thought the show peaked with the first four or five. I absolutely. I don't think I've talked about it on the podcast. I loved how they recreated a lot of the early 90s stuff. And you and Rob talked a lot about, like, they really did take you back with the clothes, the look, the music. They did everything really well. It was like as high end of a version of a crappy show as you're gonna get because it was pretty crazy.
- [121:53]
A
Yeah.
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B
Like, the second to last episode is them just arguing in a kitchen for 50 minutes. An argument nobody overheard.
- [122:00]
A
Yeah, an argument that someone made up and decided it was them. I mean, I thought Sarah Pidgeon, who's the lead actress on that show, was, like, absolutely phenomenal. I thought she was so good.
- [122:09]
B
The other guy was fine.
- [122:10]
A
Yeah. He was also there. So very handsome.
- [122:12]
B
He was okay. He looked like him, which was really all that mattered.
- [122:15]
A
He did look like him.
- [122:16]
B
I don't think the show ever really fully decided on how they felt about JFK Jr. Was. Was kind of the flaw of the show. It's like, so is this guy just a moron? Walk us through what you want us to think about this guy, because you're kind of making it seem like he's an irredeemable moron, but you don't really want to say it.
- [122:36]
A
Well, I feel like in the final episode, they tried to make this. They tried to really pat themselves on the back by saying having Constance Zimmer, who played her mom, basically say, all the coverage is about, you know, your brother talking to his sister, your brother. But nobody knew who my daughter was. And so the show's like, well, we cared more about Carolyn than we cared about jfk. Aren't we great? But I just feel like they didn't really. It would have been a much better show if they had a take on him, which they didn't feel like they had. But I think they really created in her an interesting character.
- [123:09]
B
That's what was so weird about it, though. It's like they spent. I thought they really built out an excellent character with her.
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A
Yeah.
- [123:18]
B
He was also interesting in his own way because he wasn't really good at anything. And it was just clear. We were like. I think he was a little older than me. Yeah, it was clear he was just gonna go into politics. And it was like, all right, do that. Try to pass the bar. We get it. You're trying to forge your own way. Oh, here's your stupid George magazine, which was a terrible magazine, by the way. And it was just clear. It's like, he's just going to run for senator and it's going to be fine. Like, he just doesn't want to admit to himself yet that this is how it's going to play out. And then you peel under. The other part of this was like, this is the kind of person who ends up becoming, like, a major person in politics. Like, somebody who's clearly, like, they just want to ride their bike and hook
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A
up with people, play flag football.
- [124:03]
B
But everybody loved him. He was beloved. It was like to me, when Diana died and he died, it was about the same reaction, at least with everybody I knew.
- [124:13]
A
What did you make of them taking us inside of the crash? Like how they handled the whole crash sequence in the finale.
- [124:20]
B
I actually thought it was pretty fair. I thought it could have been more critical on how stupid it was that he flew. Really one of the dumbest. I just can't believe he did it.
- [124:30]
A
Yeah.
- [124:32]
B
To do that at night. And. Yeah, it didn't really seem like he had the experience. And I just never really understood that one. But I think the missed opportunity I would have instead of that second to last episode where they're just fighting. I was so interested in the Kennedy compound. I don't think we could have spent enough time there.
- [124:51]
A
I thought that was great.
- [124:52]
B
Single best episode. I loved being around the dinner table when it was. When she created the podcast, basically going around asking different people what they thought, just what the compound was like, what they did. I was like, I could have done another hour of it.
- [125:08]
A
Why didn't Ethel Kennedy have a podcast? That's a question we'll ask.
- [125:11]
B
She should have. She was really good at setting people up.
- [125:14]
A
What did you think? They cast Donal Logue as Ted Kennedy and then just never used him to do anything. It was really strange.
- [125:22]
B
So my wife, who Love Story was. Is her favorite piece of content that's come out, I think, in the 2000 and twenties, ends up watching. There's a show on Tubi that's the lost wedding tapes of JFK Jr. And Carolyn. I don't know if you know about this. No. Yeah. And it's somebody. One of his buddies videotaped the wedding and it's this whole documentary. So, of course, my wife immediately goes from that to this and is watching it. And Ted Kennedy was like a big part of the wedding and just gives this really emotional speech at one point. And it's actually. It's worth. If you like Love Story, it's worth watching this documentary. But I didn't feel that impact at all. I always felt like he was like the man of the family. And you didn't feel that from the show? I don't know why.
- [126:11]
A
Well, that's what I'm saying. They cast an actor I like and know in that role. And so I'm just wondering if they cut him, because it wasn't.
- [126:16]
B
But he wasn't good. Maybe his accent was bad.
- [126:19]
A
I mean, he was doing a Hard Kennedy accent swing.
- [126:22]
B
So maybe, let's be honest, just fucking Jason Clark. He's right there. He already did this to Chappaquiddick. He's available for all of these shows. He's probably wrapping up. Murdoch. Murdoch.
- [126:34]
A
Just go, what if that's what Jason Clark does? The rest of his career is just Teddy Kennedy in any project.
- [126:40]
B
He was unbelievable. Ted Kennedy, Yeah. I really like that movie. But, yeah, I thought. I don't know why they punted on Ted. Maybe JFK wasn't that close to him.
- [126:49]
A
I don't know.
- [126:51]
B
Do we feel like Carolyn. The show makes it seem like she's like, I don't want to like this guy, but there's something about him. And then there's other takes. And there were definitely takes in the 90s that she.
- [127:04]
A
That she liked.
- [127:05]
B
She knew what she was doing the
- [127:06]
A
whole time to get him. She was out to get him.
- [127:08]
B
Yeah, she landed him.
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C
I don't know.
- [127:11]
A
I mean. Yeah, that's definitely the narrative that was prevalent at the time. And then I think the show is sort of like, what if it was. What if the story was a little different than that?
- [127:18]
B
So the show tried to zag against that, and it was based on a book that was written, I think, for her side of the story. And it felt like that's what we were getting. But I thought it didn't explore jfk, like, was this guy just kind of dope? And then it didn't explore her, like, how conniving was she with landing this guy?
- [127:40]
A
I think the problem is, like, if she. If she went out, went, like, hooked up with him, sort of against her will. Like, she's like, oh, I don't want to be part of this world, but there's something about him. Then there needed to be something about him that was more than just, this guy is extremely handsome because she was dating an extremely handsome underwear model. So it's not like she couldn't get extremely handsome somewhere. And so what is it about him that was so undeniably alluring that Daryl Hannah and everyone else are throwing themselves at him? Is it just the Kennedy? He reminds us of his dad sort of aura. And if that's true, then Carolyn is. Yeah. More schemey than they decided to make her out inside of that show. So they can't have it both ways. I think.
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B
I think I have an answer.
- [128:24]
A
What's that?
- [128:25]
B
I think he was just tremendously handsome.
- [128:28]
A
Yeah, he sure was. I mean, he definitely was.
- [128:29]
B
I know somebody that was at Brown with him. Yeah, I know somebody who was At Brown with him. And it was. And so obviously, Love Story, Everybody who intersected with them that I knew, they're dining on this for nine. Cause everybody's got so many questions. And he was just like, look, the dude was incredibly handsome.
- [128:48]
A
Undeniable.
- [128:49]
B
Every woman loved him immediately. And that's just how it went. And that was what his life was like. They loved him. Women loved this guy, and that was it. So, you know, for.
- [129:00]
A
So you don't have to have much else going for you if that's how you go through life.
- [129:04]
B
I guess I don't even know if that's the answer. It was just. That was the appeal was everybody was like. They just said, he just was one of those guys. He stopped the room when he walked in and that was it.
- [129:16]
A
Where are you on Beef? Season two is coming out soon.
- [129:19]
B
How do you feel about that new cast, though, right?
- [129:22]
A
Yeah, yeah. Carey Mulligan. I'm in Oscar Isaac. I'm in Cailee Spanney. Charles Melton. Yeah.
- [129:27]
B
So we feel good about this TV year so far, it sounds like. Because we're barely in April and we've already. I mean, Love Story was a gift. That was two months of content for us.
- [129:37]
A
Love Story, the Pit, a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, I thought was a really successful Thrones endeavor early this year. So HBO's really kicking ass this year. Are you a DTF watcher? Are you watching it?
- [129:50]
B
I watched it. It's done, right?
- [129:52]
A
Yeah. How do you feel about it?
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B
I made the mistake. I watched it early and I binged it.
- [129:56]
A
Oh, okay. So you're not keeping up with that.
- [129:58]
B
And I don't think that was the way to watch it because it was a little. Little more to bang out in, like, two nights. I thought I liked it, though. I didn't love it, but I liked it. Did you like it?
- [130:10]
A
It's not for me. What was your. What was your favorite show this year? Was it Love Story or what is it?
- [130:16]
B
What are my other options?
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A
I mean, the Pit, I guess, or whatever you're watching on Apple.
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B
I thought. I thought Love Story tapped into something that I wish happened more, which is that I think it was very well done, not that ambitious, and was built to kind of cultivate conversation week to week. And I don't think it's a show that would have succeeded on Netflix if it was to just dump every episode at once. I thought part of the appeal of it, and I don't know, to me, the bigger question, which we've talked about a bunch of times, is why don't people follow this model more of how to do stuff? Is it better to just. Because I know, and I've talked to people at the different streamers, they're like, well, if it's a binge, people stay with it. If it's week to week, some of the audience will fall off. Maybe they don't stick with it past four or five weeks. I get it. I just think resonating culturally for that long should is the ultimate goal of any show. Like Love Story was huge for fx. Cause it felt like people were talking about it for seven straight weeks.
- [131:24]
A
Well, it also has a longer term payoff. So something like the Pit. I think if the Pit were a binge, people would watch it, but I don't think it would have grown the way that it did, you know?
- [131:34]
B
Yeah, I agree.
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A
And so like the long term investment, when you come into season two, the audience is so much bigger and it can only sort of grow from there. So I think it's a riskier move because if the show's really shitty, yeah, people are gonna drop off. But in terms of really getting people to emotionally buy in, to get your wife crying on the couch, you want to be there. I mean, I know you guys binge the Pit, but you want to be there week in, week out and really feel like you know these people and you're spending time with them and every week you're checking back in with Langdon and Santos and all the rest. And how are they doing so well,
- [132:06]
B
Things like the Ashton Kutcher show that came out that bombed, that was it. Like, that's, that's the case for sticking to the binge model. Because you have a show like that and it bombs and you're releasing it every week.
- [132:16]
A
Every week.
- [132:17]
B
DOA in week two.
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A
Yeah. And then also for podcasting, it's better if it's week to week. So think of the podcasters and release your show week to week.
- [132:26]
B
That's you joke. But that's a real thing. Because in the old days it was think pieces, but now it's the podcast cross with the think pieces. I saw on my Apple News the other day. Somebody wrote a Carolyn Bessette. That show's been gone for 12 days. Somebody in like the Atlantic or something who's like, here's my Carolyn Bissette think piece. And it's like, this thing's still going. Like that has to matter. See, the bigger thing to me is how many of these are left we've done.
- [132:56]
A
Ominous. How many real life stories are there
- [132:59]
B
going backwards with the celebrity story that could do. I feel like we're kind of out at this point. OJ Was another great one, and we did it fantastic. But in general, I just don't feel like there's any good ones left.
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A
I don't know.
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B
I feel like they've done five Diana movies. I mean, how many times have we gone backwards with Princess Diana? We're good.
- [133:17]
A
We need to be done with Diana.
- [133:18]
B
Yeah, we need to be done.
- [133:19]
A
We need a break from Diana.
- [133:20]
B
I would. Honestly, a Meghan and Harry movie. I would be in a.
- [133:23]
A
It's too. Well, they did that on Lifetime, and I think it's too early to do a Megan and Harry. Like, we need some distance from this stuff, you know?
- [133:29]
B
Or is it too early? Like, if. If you just can take liberties and go. Not like, we don't know what happened in the J. Like, to have an entire episode of them arguing in the kitchen and having no idea if it didn't happen, that tells me, like, you can.
- [133:43]
A
You can do whatever you want.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You can do whatever you want and not get sued by Meghan and Harry.
- [133:47]
B
Oh, true. They are alive.
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A
Yeah.
- [133:49]
B
Who would sue? The Love Story people? I guess the Kennedy family.
- [133:53]
A
Yeah. Yeah. All right, Joanna, here's what I'm looking for from you. In the future, I want you to nail a TV show about podcasting. I think only you can do it, Bill Simmons. So give us that.
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B
You know what? Honestly, it's like hacking. It's like how there's never been a good show about computer hackers or move, like, any. Even, like, sneakers, which we did on the Rewatchables. There's very little hacking in the hacking show.
- [134:19]
A
What about hackers?
- [134:21]
B
Hackers? Well, it's just tough, though, because you can't keep the podcast topical.
- [134:27]
A
True. Okay. And alternatively, I'll work on that, though. Alternatively, a Harry and Megan movie and. Or TV show.
- [134:35]
B
No, I don't want. I want no part of that. I just think. I think somebody just want to watch it. Yeah, I think. I think that's one of the few ones left. I mean, the Bill. The Bill Clinton one was. Was a big miss. Just. That just didn't work. They didn't get it. And. But there's.
- [134:50]
A
I liked the Versace one, though. I thought that was actually pretty good.
- [134:53]
B
That was a great one. That was like, what, how many years ago? Like, five, six years ago? That was excellent.
- [134:58]
A
I think longer than that. You know, it was between O.J. and the Clinton one. And I think Versace is a really good example of one that, like, not it wouldn't occur to any of us to do the Versace case, I think so when you're sitting here thinking about like, you're thinking about the big ones. But I think the best model to go for is like, go for some of the smaller stories that we know less about. You know, like, I think when you give us OJ Was incredible and we all knew so much about OJ and it still taught us things that we didn't know. But Versace, I think, was even more. I think about Versace more because I knew nothing about that story. So find us a smaller story that you can sort of teach us everything about, and that's something I would tune in for.
- [135:36]
B
That's really good advice. What's the big nerd culture movie coming this year?
- [135:41]
A
Dune Part 3. Are you excited for Dune Part 3?
- [135:45]
B
Tepidly.
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A
Okay.
- [135:49]
B
Very well done.
- [135:49]
A
Those Dune movies, they sold out. The 70 millimeter IMAX screenings sold out within a couple hours. They put them online today, so people are excited. The Spice Heads are ready.
- [136:01]
B
We figured out this movie theater thing. Yeah, they tried to do it 12, 13 years ago with 3D, make 3D events, and people just don't like wearing 3D glasses. And now they've figured out these IMAX things are now events and they've nailed it. Congratulations to everybody. All right, Joanna Robinson, great to see you as always. Thanks for coming on.
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A
Thanks, Bill.
- [136:22]
B
All right, that's it for the podcast. Thanks to Kevin Wilds and Nathan and Joanna and Gahal and Eduardo. As always, don't forget, new rewatchables was up Monday night. Eddie and the Cruisers. I think we're running Basic Instinct next week so that if you want to prepare for next week's rewatchables, that's going to be the one. I am going to be back on this feed late Thursday afternoon and hopefully I have more clarity on the mvp. I'm gonna really spend a lot of time thinking about this. Enjoy the Middle of the. Must be 21 plus on President in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 on President in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Opt in required refund issued as nonwithrable bonus bets that expire seven days after receipt. Max refund unless otherwise specified. $5 restrictions apply including token expiration. See terms@sportsbook.fander.com Game Prom Call 1-800- Gamble or 1-800-by reset. Call 888-797-7777 or visit ccpg.orgch Connecticut or mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here, visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-550. For 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 877-8-HOPE NY or text HOPE NY in New York. For Louisiana, call 877-770-7867.