Round 1 Winners (Da Bears!) and Losers (the Eagles!), Plus Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Summary

The Bill Simmons Podcast — "Round 1 Winners (Da Bears!) and Losers (the Eagles!), Plus Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal"

Date: January 12, 2026
Hosts: Bill Simmons (A), Cousin Sal (B)
Theme: Wild Card Weekend Recap, Round 1 NFL Playoff Winners & Losers, Plus Guess the Lines for Round 2

Episode Overview

Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal break down an exhilarating NFL Wild Card Weekend, zeroing in on the dramatic comeback victory for the Chicago Bears, the devastating collapse by the Green Bay Packers, and a shockingly lifeless performance by the Philadelphia Eagles. The podcast also features their traditional "Guess the Lines" game for the next round of playoff matchups. Personal anecdotes and the joys and frustrations of football fandom are woven throughout, maintaining the show's signature irreverent, conversational tone.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Wild Card Weekend: Bears' Miraculous Win and Packers' Meltdown

[05:00–22:17]

• Three Main Storylines Introduced:

  • Josh Allen "against the world" performance for the Bills
  • The improbable, never-say-die comeback by Caleb Williams and the Bears
  • San Francisco’s “Nobody believes in us” narrative

• Focus on Bears-Packers:

  • Sal: "The Bears, I think, is the meatiest. The Bears. Interesting." [05:00]
  • Both hosts marvel at how the Bears rallied from a dead position, scoring 25 points in the fourth quarter after the Packers seemed to have the game in hand.
  • Analysis of game sequence: missed Packers opportunities, questionable play calls (over-aggressiveness, failed clock management), and a missed PAT that loomed large.
  • Bill: "If you just stop this, it's impossible basically to lose… At worst case you can kneel three straight times, go up six. What do they do? Second down, they throw an incompletion in the end zone… it just felt like from that moment on, it became the game from hell for the Packers." [09:03]

• LaFleur’s Hot Seat

  • Bill suggests LaFleur shouldn't come back as coach: "That’s it. You can’t come back." [10:08]
  • Sal floats giving credit to the Bears’ defense, noting how Green Bay's run game completely disappeared in the second half.
  • Extensive rundown by Bill of the Packers’ heartbreak playoff losses over the past 30 years, underscoring the fanbase’s hidden suffering. [14:33–16:54]
  • Sal: "So you fire LaFleur. No. No. No questions asked?" [17:16]
  • Bill: Suggests it's time to move on after so many collapses.

• Celebrating the Bears’ Locker Room Energy:

  • Caleb Williams’ emotional postgame speech and coach Ben Johnson’s “double everything” style highlighted.
  • Sal jokingly compares Johnson to Tommy Two Times from Goodfellas: "It's Benny Two Times. That's a great win. You have to double it." [21:23]

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2. Eagles’ Stunning Collapse & Niners’ Grit

[23:17–35:45]

• Eagles’ Performance Analyzed:

  • Bill's disbelief at the lack of urgency, creativity, and chemistry on the Eagles: "They have these two receivers that they’re paying $60 million for... but never throw the ball and never play with pace and never spread it out… what’s the point?" [25:34]
  • They discuss how the Eagles seemed joyless all season, and cite moments of sideline tension between A.J. Brown and coach Sirianni.
  • Sal: “What really happened? Barkley and Hertz were amazing. You couldn’t stop them by the goal line. … They had to do so little to win.” [26:13]

• Quarterback (“QB”) Malaise:

  • Tom Brady’s barely disguised on-air disgust at Jalen Hurts’ decision-making is noted.
  • Both reflect on that awkward “mafia” code among analyst QBs to avoid trashing underperforming current QBs.

• Defensive Miscues & Deciding Moments:

  • The failure of Eagles safety Blankenship, notably on the “Juwan Jennings to McCaffrey” trick play pass.
  • Sal: “The play that everyone’s going to talk about is Juwan Jennings throwing that pass to McCaffrey, who Blankenship was supposed to blanket…” [30:54]
  • Credit to Kyle Shanahan for coaching flexibility; his adjustments after losing key players.

• Big Picture: Eagles’ Chemistry Issues, Niners’ Resilience:

  • Bill's manifesto: “If it seems like a team actively despises each other, no matter how good they are, you can’t lay more than a field goal with them.” [29:23]

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3. Panthers vs. Rams “Shakey’s Game” / Sunday Gathering

[36:02–47:00]

• Shakey’s Wild Card Tradition:

  • The group recounts watching the least-anticipated wild card game at a rundown pizza place—this time, Panthers vs. Rams.
  • Sal’s mounting stress as Panthers threaten a huge upset, while others get sidetracked talking about American Revolution documentaries.
  • Bill: “It was like watching you being honestly operated on.” [40:01]
  • Sal vents about the emotions and mounting losses, while others are hilariously oblivious.

• Game Recap:

  • Rams’ struggles and late comeback; unreliable special teams almost cost them.
  • Stafford's maddening inconsistency and moments of brilliance; Panthers hang in, but can't finish.
  • Bill: “The lack of mobility… but then every time it looked bad, he’d make a great play.” [42:29]

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4. AFC Recap: Patriots, Chargers, and Bills

[49:24–58:39]

• Patriots Beat Chargers:

  • Bill radiates joy; admits "I’m deliriously happy because my Patriots just won." [04:15]
  • Both teams’ O-lines struggled; New England’s defense dominated, with a huge game by rookie CB Gonzalez. Questions remain about Drake May’s inconsistency and ball security under playoff pressure.
  • Sal: "What he [May] did with his legs was more impressive than anything, honestly." [52:05]

• Bills Outlast Jaguars, Allen’s Heroics:

  • Josh Allen’s legendary game (“face of the league” moment per Bill), distributing to NINE receivers, running for two TDs.
  • Trevor Lawrence regresses, with 2 INTs and numerous dangerous throws: “I marked them all down. Eight times a Buffalo defender hit a Lawrence pass with their hand.” [64:29]

• Gambling Woes:

  • Bill and Sal lament losses (Packers, Jags picks) and second-guess themselves. Hearing from a listener, Pierre in Louisiana, who suggests they just “bet for fun.” Sal: “I'm trying to think when was the last time it was fun…” [67:45]

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5. Guess the Lines: Divisional Round Picks

[73:29–83:45]

• Recap of Guess the Lines tradition, now in its 19th year. [75:13]
• Divisional Round Spreads:
  • Broncos–Bills: Bill predicts Broncos -1.5 at home; line is Buffalo -1.5. Sal wins.
  • Seahawks–49ers: Bill says Seahawks -7; Sal guesses -6. Line opens at 7.5. Bill nabs it.
  • Rams–Bears: Bill lands at Rams -2.5; Sal says -4. Line is 3.5. Sal gets it, wins week 2-1.
• **Commentary on line movement, playoff narratives (nobody believes in us Niners/Seahawks rust), game strategies, and potential public reaction.

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6. Parent Corner

[86:04–95:25]

• Sal: Fakes out his son with a “tickets and private jet to the college championship” prank, then contemplates if he’s Father of the Year or the worst dad ever. Learnings about the risks of over-promising (or joking) to kids.
• Bill: Explains how his mom helped with (then abruptly left) his wife’s mafia-themed surprise birthday party, reflecting on how unpredictable parents can be as they age.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Packers’ Collapse:
  • Bill: “If you just stop this, it's impossible basically to lose… and then they throw another end zone pass that's incomplete... and now they miss a field goal. It was the D. Like, to me, that's like, Matt LaFleur can’t come back. That’s it.” [10:08]
• On the Eagles’ Vibe:
  • Bill: “It’s like when we would play with our kids when they were younger… the Eagles, they've acted the whole year like they're the dad playing their little kids.” [25:04]
• On Gambling Manifesto:
  • Bill: “If it seems like a team actively despises each other, no matter how good they are, you can't lay more than a field goal with them.” [29:23]
• On American Revolution Talk at Shakey’s:
  • Bill: “It was like watching you being honestly operated on.” [40:01]
• On Allen’s Heroics for Buffalo:
  • Bill: “It was a face of the league game from our guy Josh… why do I have Trevor Lawrence against Josh?” [61:12]
• On Parent Corner Aging:
  • Bill: “Our parents just get weird? Like, there’s some sort…I don’t know what the year is, but it’s definitely going to happen to us.” [93:32]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [05:00] Bears-Packers Wild Card Recap Begins
• [14:33] Packers’ History of Playoff Chokes/Disasters
• [23:17] Eagles-Niners Postmortem Begins
• [40:01] Sal’s Shakey’s Game Meltdown
• [49:24] Patriots-Chargers Deep Dive
• [60:08] Bills-Jags, Allen Outduels Lawrence
• [73:29] Guess the Lines "Divisional Round" Segment
• [86:04] Parent Corner

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Conclusion: Episode’s Legacy for New Listeners

This episode captures the heart of why so many tune in to Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal: passionate, detailed football analysis, a tribute to the chaos and emotion of NFL fandom, and a steady stream of personal banter that makes the games (and the losses) somehow matter less, and mean more, at the same time. The show also captures a time of transition, with a debut on Netflix and celebration of an award win for Amy Poehler, but the tone and rapport remain completely familiar—even, or especially, in the midst of Bears miracles and Eagles disasters.

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Podcast MVPs:

• Winner: Caleb Williams and the Bears’ comeback ("Never in my life did I think I'd say, the Bears have a QB and a coach!" [06:10])
• Loser: The Eagles’ offense and their "actively despises each other" energy (Bill, [29:23])

Essential Listen: If you want to relive the wildest playoff round in years—while understanding how losing a Wild Card bet can lead to a rambling pizza parlor debate about the American Revolution.

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For the next playoff week: “I might just go for fun.” [68:35]

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

It's. I don't think people understand what's about to happen, but you should. Everyone just buckle up for the most insufferable 90 minutes in Netflix history. I mean, did James Corden have a Netflix special? No, he didn't. This is going to be.

[A]

I think we might be able to take the record. How about this? I'm going to zag on you. I'm not going to start by talking about the Sunday night Pats game because really, that was the worst of all the games. Maybe you'll forget about that. Let me give you three storylines from the weekend and you tell me which one mattered the most that were now moving forward into round two. Josh Allen against the world, Caleb and the Never say Die Bears or San Francisco going for the nobody believes in us all decade title because literally nobody believes in them. Out of those three, what do you care about the most?

[B]

I. The Bears, I think, is the meatiest. The Bears. Interesting.

[A]

Okay, explain.

[B]

Well, it's just so improbable that it keeps happening the same freaking thing over and over and over. And this was, like, highly improbable because they were. They were Dead. I mean, should we just get into it, like the Packers?

[A]

Like, yeah, let's do that.

[B]

First you want to set it up 31, 27. I mean, first of all, people go after me because I. I talk about this rivalry. I'm like, this isn't a great rivalry. Cut it out. But the last three Packers Bears games were. Were better than any of the previous 100. I mean, we could talk about this until Stranger Things 6 season comes out.

[A]

I don't. I don't know, but my kids think there's another. Stranger Things are dropping. Yeah. I hate to break it to them, but this was Stranger Things right here on a Sunday Night Live. Yeah, no kidding. So big picture, Bears fans finally have a QB and a coach. I think no matter what happens going forward, you at least have those two things. And Caleb had some unbelievable throws, but the big one for me, though, is better win or worse loss. If you have to pick one or the other, was that a better Bears win or is that a more devastating packers loss?

[B]

Wow. I'm gonna say devastating loss. I mean, it's hard to discount the win, but for God's sakes, 25 points. You want to give the guy 17 points in the fourth quarter, 820, 21, whatever. But 25 after, you just.

[A]

They would.

[B]

He just had him dead to rights, right? Like, he had, what, three touchdowns at half. 154 yards. Love. He looks so smooth. Caleb looked like he was coming out of a coma. He's saying, f this job. After the Louisa burden, the pick to the way he ran the. I was like, wow, right? The Bears just happened to be here mode. The crowd was dead. Al Michaels was freezing his ass. Herb Street's dog's tail got frostbite. I mean, but we had it all, like, I don't know. You tell me what happened. How they.

[A]

Herb street was just focused on that one defensive back on the. On the Bears and how he was playing hurt. And that was like, his only point he had as his brain was trying to process this. It was one of the best Bears home playoff wins ever. They scored 25 fourth quarter points. I had the Packers. Everyone had the Packers. That was part of the problem. I remember not feeling safe really ever, especially with the floor. It was 21 3. They had the ball to start the second half first. They missed a field goal at the end of the first half. Start slow. The second half. The Bears are hanging around, but they don't look good. The crowd's kind of waiting to get into it, and then all of a sudden, it was 2116. But then the, the, the packers score and they go up 27:16 and the guy misses the extra point and Michaels and Herb street are just, they, it just bounces right off them, right. They're like, oh well, it's still a two possession game. I'm like, that was huge. 12 points means two touchdowns or you're not getting back. And it just felt like from that moment on it became the game from hell for the Packers.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, they look, before that there were four fumbles that, and they didn't recover any of them. And that was their thing, the Bears. Right. All year they were 1 for 5 on fourth down conversions before that crazy pass that we're going to talk to. Talk about. And yeah, I don't, I, I don't, I don't really get what, what the plan is. I know everyone wants to kill the floor, but if you're up five me, I know, but five and a half minutes left, you're up 11. I'm fourth down. At some point you won the game for the team's gotta kind of come through there. I just hated that. I hated the whole thing.

[A]

Well, you get four fourth down stops, you get two Caleb picks. You have at one point. How big was the lead? 18 and you're up 11.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you still can't get it done. But I. Let me take you to, let me see there was, it was 2116.

[B]

I know you love this little stretch here.

[A]

Yeah, I gotta go through this. This just drove me crazy. Um, bears get the two point right after Green Bay gives up a fourth and eight on the best throw Caleb's career which the all 22 of that throw is just the best.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Love hits, hits Dobbs for 34 right. Bears need a stop or the game's over. Packers are still up three. Now it is first down on the bears 33 with 327 left. And the, and the Bears have to start using timeouts. Jacobs gets stuff. Timeout. What happens next? They hit golden for 12. Now we're resetting. Now we're on the Bears 21. The Bears have already used the timeout. There's 3:11 left. If you just stop this, it's impossible basically to lose. You can, at worst case you can run. You could kneel three straight times. You could take it to the two minute warning and go up six. What do they do? Second down, they throw an incompletion in the end zone. They try to hit the tight end on like this high level play that you're up three. What are you doing that for? Green bay timeout at 302 because they don't like the next play. And then they get a delay a game after the timeout. Right. And then they throw another end zone pass that's incomplete. And now they miss a field goal. And Chicago has one timeout left.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they have three minutes and all they have to do is go 30 yards for a field goal. It was the D. Like, to me, that's like, Matt LaFleur can't come back. That's it. You can't come back.

[B]

Yeah. There's a couple reasons why he maybe can't come back. Cause this is Ohio State Michigan now.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so you lost it and you lost two games that you should have won.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So whether it's his fault or not, it's bad. Maybe he lost the team. I do want to give the Bears defense credit because I know we like to crush people first and then praise afterwards. Like 40 minutes into the podcast. Get used to that, everyone on Netflix. But their defense was phenomenal. I think the packers had one run over one yard in the second half. So there was a lot of just kill the clock talk. But there was a way to kill it without throwing it over everyone's head in the end zone. Right. Like that whole middle of the defense was open from the Bears that a linebacker get hurt the whole game.

[A]

It was right. Edwards got hurt in the first half, is their best linebacker.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm screaming the whole time, I'm like, love, just throw it to the dwarf with the giant head. Like, we'll just find that guy and throw it at him. He's the one converting first downs. And then it was too late.

[A]

And, well, when they handed out when they stuffed Jacobs after the 34 yard pass to Dobbs, I went back and I freeze framed it. Cause they knew that Green Bay was going to run on that and they just had like nine guys in the box. And if they had just play action and love rolled out, the game's over. So it was weird. They both weren't aggressive and then they were stupidly aggressive. But I don't, I don't. In both pass plays that were first downs, the guy ended up going out of bounds anyway. So they like did everything wrong. But I just feel like if that's my team and I'm down three and the other team has the ball on my 30 with three minutes left, I just feel like I'm going to lose. Right. It's like a borderline miracle. And Then you got to give credit to the Bears six play drive 20 to take the four point lead. And somehow during that, Green Bay has to call timeout because they only have 10 guys on the field right before the two minute warning. It was just a comedy of errors. And we have. No, we weren't there. We don't know how good the crowd was, but it was a classic home field playoff game. And I was really happy for the Bears fans. I mean, talk about a rough 40 years. Yeah, I've forgiven them for Super Bowl 20.

[B]

And as lucky, if you want to say they're lucky, as they were this year, it was completely the other way last year.

[A]

Right.

[B]

With the Hail Mary and everything. And that turned them around. So. And listen, you called me, we spoke on Friday and we're like, all right, we got the square picks, we have the packers and we have the Jaguars, and we're not getting off of it, but damn it, we know it. Like we, we. I wish we would have known. We give these picks Thursday. Whatever. I wish we would have known Friday who everyone's taking because now it's like we're betting it without seeing the dealer's hand at all. And yet I still don't think we're suckers like the packers should have won that game. I thought we had the right side, for God's sakes.

[A]

Yeah, I called you Friday afternoon. I listened to the ringer gambling show and you and I had the same basically straight up picks. And I felt like a lot of people were on the packers, the Eagles, the Jags. And I just, I was like, oh, man, this is gonna suck. Like we, I've seen this too many times. And we're making these picks on Wednesday and Thursday and you don't know where the general feel is going. House was on the show going, 64% of the public likes the Bears. I'm like, listen, everybody I know who bets on football loves the packers. And that's not a good sign. But then at halftime, I mean, we had every. We could have easily taken the Bears plus 500 or whatever it was. And not done was, I think, in the running for biggest choke of the year. When you throw in that McManus missed two field goals and two PATs. Either Pat that could get a field goal in the last draft. I hated the last draft, too. I hated everything. It did make me think, though, the packers, who. I don't, I don't think people would think with the Bills and the Browns and the Vikings and some of these NFL the kicked in the Balls club of fan bases. You don't think of the packers, right? They won. They won a Super bowl with Favre. They won a Super bowl with Rodgers. I didn't tell you I was going to do this. We got to go through their losses since they won that Favre super bowl because I'm kind of in disbelief. I was doing it this morning. I had coffee and I'm like, man, they've had. My buddy Chip was like another. My buddy Chip's from Milwaukee. He's like another awful packers loss. And I'm like, shut up. And then I'm thinking about it like, oh, yeah, I went through. So since the 96 Super bowl win, they're.05 in overtime, playoff games.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

They've lost five NFC title games. They won that one with Rogers. But some of the losses from the last 30 years, 97. They're going for that back to back super bowl against. With Favre against the Broncos, right? They had the ball with five minutes left. Tie game. Go, go. Four and out. And then Denver drives down and away, has the helicopter put right. So they lose that next year against San Francisco. Terrell owens, the miracle 25 yard touchdown when he just gets nailed by two guys. Remember that like almost like a pseudo Hail Mary. They lose that with eight seconds left. Oh, two. They get smoked. And Lambo by Michael Vick, which was like, I think his only great playoff moment. Did he have another one?

[B]

No. That was probably.

[A]

That was it, right? Other than video games. 2003, Philly the 4th and 26 to Freddie Mitchell, right? Over time, Favre throws the pick and overtime they lose.07 giants. Favre's last hurrah there, ot loss at home when the Giants missed the field goal to win in regulation. And then Favre threw a pick in OT. Freezing.09 Arizona OT loss at home. Arizona missed the field goal to win. And then they get a fumble touchdown in overtime. That's how the packers lose that one. They win the championship in 10. 2011, they go 15 and 1. They get smoked at home by the Giants. Like super embarrassing loss. 2012, Kaepernick murders them. That was the. Is Kaepernick about to take over the league? Game 181 rush. Kaepernick murdered.

[B]

I mean, I thought he just knelt down. He.

[A]

No, no, he. He murdered them. Oh. 2013 San Francisco. They lose on a field go at the buzzer. 2014 Seattle NFC title game. They're up 197 with 11 minutes left. That's probably the worst. Seattle has an onside kick with 213 left, gets the ball back. And then the packers lose it in OTTD. I'm not done. 2015, Arizona. Hail Mary by Rogers to tie the game. And then they lose at ot.

[B]

You may not be done, but everyone switched to Chappelle, like, 40 years ago. No, no.

[A]

One more. Stay with me. Netflix. 2016, they lose the NFC title. 2020, Tampa. Remember this one? They're down eight with 215 left. Fourth and eight, and LaFleur kicks the field goal to go down five. Then they lose. 20, 21 block, punt, TD. They lose to San Francisco on field goal at the buzzer. And then two years ago, up four, six minutes left. Ms. A field goal, Niners drive, win. And then this Bears game. That's like 20 games.

[B]

So they're not Cleveland or Buffalo or the Raiders, but they're.

[A]

It's a different class. Yeah. I shouldn't feel tortured, but why do I get my nuts kicked in every year in January? I think that's enough now. And they haven't won since 2010, so it's 15 years. And they don't have the same case as the Vikings, Bills. But that's just bizarre that all that stuff happened in the same team.

[B]

I always look at them, that they're the team that beat the Cowboys. They go to a Cowboy, they can win on the road, and Jordan Love can do it on the road and all that. That's another reason I like them so much. But. So you. You fire LaFleur. No. No. No questions asked.

[A]

Well, supposedly he wants an extension for a lot of money. Right. I'd probably part ways at this point. I mean, you lose a game where your quarterback throws four TDs with no picks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On the road, and you lose. You lose a game where you're up 18 heading in the second half and 11 heading into the last 12 minutes of the game. You hit the ball with three minutes left. You're an offensive coach.

[B]

Yeah, it was all bad. That last couple drives were bad for sure for him. But, you know, you have a good coach. Like, I haven't had a. McCarthy was fine, whatever. It wasn't a good fit. But I kind of think you hold on to these guys. Like, at some point, it's like, all right, what. What are you going to. What are you. Have you seen some of these guys going for interviews for some of these teams? Like Bowen, Yang, I think, interviewed with the Raiders the other day?

[A]

No, they had to cancel it. Because he got in trouble. Yeah. He's had to drop out. Yeah.

[B]

All right. So the Floor to the Raiders.

[A]

People got upset at him, so he's no longer a candidate.

[B]

That's so sad. I don't know, just sometimes you look for a new house and it's got mold. Like, just stick with what you got.

[A]

I don't. If you're the packers, you get a bunch of injuries. Parsons is coming back. It might be one of those where you wait three days, you calm down, you take a deep breath, and you're like, hey, we had a lot of stuff go wrong this year. We lost Tucker Kraft, we lost our center, we lost Parsons. We don't have a pick now. Maybe we wait one more year. But lafleur in the playoffs has just been bad. And, you know, at some point you gotta, like, you think at what. What Shanahan did with that Niners game today, right? Where he's basically, you know, playing seven card stud with six cards and still trying to figure out how to out poker. Everybody versus what LaFleur did.

[B]

And not to mention Ben Johnson just beat him up. Just beat him up, you know, on the field. And after the game, the handshake was crazy. Like, can we talk about that?

[A]

Sure. So I did a. I tried to do a lot of investigating today with anybody I know who knows anything, which is basically Peter Schrager. No. But I asked a bunch of people like, what's the genesis of this? And it seems like it's a lot of. I heard you said this in a press conference. Or you heard that. And then that first handshake they had, the first game where LaFleur kind of quick shaked them. Yeah, right. And now that's it. Now it's like, now it's like Revolutionary War level hatred on both sides. It doesn't really seem like that bigger catalyst than that, though.

[B]

Well, it's also stupid. Like, if I'm Ben Johnson, I savor the moment. I don't just move on from it fast. Like, I follow him. I follow the floor home. I'm like, hey, what about that fourth down throw? What'd you think? You know, I ask him like, hey, where are you going to interview tomorrow? Where you think. Where you think it'll go? And like, I wouldn't let it go. So that. That's just. That wouldn't be my tact.

[A]

Well, we can swear on Netflix.

[B]

We can.

[A]

And we. We could already swear on Spotify. On Spotify as well. But he started out the Packers. That was his speech. Gave a great speech. Caleb turned it over to Caleb Williams, who got choked. I watched all five minutes. I watched this has been the year of. They've taken locker room videos and turned them into something great. But Caleb Williams gave a nice speech about him. And if you're a Bears fan, you just think of all the inept coaches and QBs. Our entire life. We've been watching football now for half a century and most of our life, except for that one Walter Payton year. Yeah, that one year when everything came together. You never took the Bears seriously, ever. I don't think they were on TV for the first 15 years of my life on the East Coast. Right.

[B]

Yeah. And now they have this coach. I've kind of got his cadence down for the speech. It's a smart thing. And he does he everything well. He's just like. He's like, that's the first one. That's the first one. And that's one you'll never forget. That's one you'll never forget. All right, bring it on in. Bring it on in. So you double every line and it's twice as if the good.

[A]

Who is the good fellas? Character.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Tommy two times. Oh, that's right.

[B]

It was. Was Tommy.

[A]

So he's Benny two times.

[B]

It's Benny two times.

[A]

A great winner. That's a great win. You have to double. I love this Benny two times. He needed a nickname. Ben Johnson's a pretty annoying, pretty boring name. All right, well, there's a lot to discuss. That was the game of the weekend for you.

[B]

I think it had to be.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It was not only because I had marked it off as a win on everything on my ledger, and then I had to reconfigure.

[A]

I had the same as my quest to go undefeated against the spread in the playoffs every year, which I dream of doing. That would be my number one thing I would want to accomplish. I know. Get the first one with the Panthers cover, then the. The Packers. You think now? I'm starting to. I'm already thinking about Sunday because the Bears look like they've checked out, right? It's. It's Caleb, the body language. Everything looks bad, right? And I'm like, oh, man, if I get the Jags tomorrow, I'll be three and, oh, heading, you know, and then all of a sudden, it flips.

[B]

Stupid.

[A]

We're going to take a break on Netflix here and then come back and hit the rest of the games. This episode is brought to you by Apple Watch. So how's that New Year's resolution looking? You gonna crush the gym? You're gonna inch into quitters day territory? What's Your plan? Cause that's a real thing. The second Friday of January. It turns out most of us, we throw in the towel by then. But not this year. Not if you got an Apple Watch. Apple Watch keeps you locked in. You've got the daily movement and activity rings, achievement streaks, goal tracking. It's like having a coach on your wrist. So if you're on the edge of giving up, don't. This is the year we quit quitting. Let's do this. Apple Watch made to motivate you. Find out [e-mail] Apple Watch Series 11 iPhone 11 or later required all right, we had another NFC upset, and in fact, all we had were upsets until the Sunday night game when my Pats beat the Chargers. We had four straight underdogs because the Bills somehow became an underdog over the course of the week.

[B]

Well, they covered the Panthers didn't win, but yeah, no.

[A]

Four straight covers and then three outright wins. The most shocking was Niners Eagles. I spent five days trying to talk myself into the 49ers, and on Wednesday, I thought I was going to pick them. And then you just keep looking at the injuries and you're like, all right, this is insane. Like, they don't. They don't have anybody. They don't have Boson Warner. They. They Pierce off was scratched. Kittle blows out his. His Achilles, it looked like during the game. And it's just like this stupid Eagles team that seems like they hate each other even though they won last year. I get the nobody, the most compelling Nobody believes in us. Case in a while for the Niners, who were really good and had a chance to actually win the division two weeks ago, we're just casting them aside. This check. And I just couldn't do it. I was like, the Eagles will win one game and then they'll let their f. I thought this was the most Eagles playoff. Eagles Z playoff loss we've ever had. I can't think of a better one. Right? Would you agree?

[B]

Yeah, I think so. I think so. But we also. It wasn't surprising either, right? Not at all.

[A]

Not for one minute. Not for one minute.

[B]

At the Super Bowl, MVP played so poorly and couldn't move his team. Like, that's like. Yeah, that makes sense. That really tracks with what we've seen. I mean, that offense is so lethargic. It really looks like. It looks like they could do whatever they want whenever they want, right? And then it's like it's 4th and 1 and he's. Hertz is just chucking it into the win. Like, he had 4.6 yards per pass and there's almost no rush coming his way. And the other thing is, like, the play clock is either at 0 or 1 when he snaps it every time. And so you would think the games would seem to go fast. Each Eagles game seems like it's six hours long.

[A]

They had 70 plays today. I'm with you. How do you. How do you run 40 seconds of play and you're still run 70 plays somehow? Usually it's like 55, right? Yeah. I don't know. They had the demeanor. Remember when we would play with our kids when they were younger? You play like basketball with them and it's like two on one against dad. The kids are like six and eight, and you're kind of half assing it, but then somebody intentionally punches you in the balls and you get mad. You start trying a little bit, and then you lay back again. The Eagles, they've acted the whole year like they're the dad playing their little kids.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that they're like, begrudgingly getting competitive. So this is a football game. They play with no pace. They try no trick plays. They try no chicanery at all. They never seem like they're trying to outwit the other team. And they have these two receivers that they're paying $60 million for. I think between the two of them, the longest catch they had was 15 yards. The longest catch, I want to say, was Goddard. Somebody had a 20 yarder for them, and it wasn't either receiver. So it's like, if you're gonna pay that much for your receivers and your quarterback, but never throw the ball and never play with pace and never spread it out, never have fun. What's the point of having all of these guys?

[B]

So what the F happened? Like, what. What really happened? Like. Cause Barkley and Hertz were amazing. You couldn't stop them by the goal line. And this is now. Are they just that much older and fragile? Like, this is like a racehorse turning from three years old to four. Like, all right, I have no use for these guys. They were so bad. They had to do so little to win. Like, Purdy gifted them two picks right at home, ran for three yards per carry. San Francisco.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So it's not like McCaffrey crushing until he caught something. And it's like Shanahan never wins after losing by six or more going into the fourth quarter. And they let, like, DeMarcus Robinson and Kyle, who's check beat them really, really bad.

[A]

How many Americans found out today that DeMarcus Robinson was on the 49ers, probably like one fourth of the audience. I wrote down 12 minutes left. San Francisco was up one. And I wrote down Purdy two picks, McCaffrey 15 for 35, and just question marks. It was like, how are they winning? What are they doing well? But it all came down to the Eagles. The crowd, I think booed every quarter. So if that was a parlay on FanDuel, you would have won that one. Will the Eagles fans boo every quarter?

[B]

I had that parlayed with pregame. Erin Andrews would be attacked by a herd of skunks. So that's. That's what that was.

[A]

No, she was dressed like Carmelo Soprano. I thought that was a Halloween outfit. Yeah, I thought you were getting attacked. I stole that on Twitter from the Sopranos World account.

[B]

That was great.

[A]

That was funny. So here was my favorite part of the game because I did have out of. I lost the parlay I had with the Pats and Eagles, but I had the Eagles in these big teases. So I actually survived with a couple of them. Brady announcing that Jalen hurts game was riveting because I've heard Brady talk enough and he always tries to be diplomatic, especially with other quarterbacks, but they would show like the all 22 view and he'd be like, yeah, I don't. I don't really know what he's seeing there, Kevin. But obviously he saw something and he just was. You could tell he was just dumbfounded. Like, he just wanted to say, like, Kevin, I don't know what the fuck this guy's doing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What are these passes? Like, what. What is his agenda here? But Brady was like, so disappointed. And we've heard that too with Romo. Sometimes when a quarterback is really bad and they kind of don't want to breach the. It's like a. Almost like mafia. You don't want to go against somebody who's a made man. The quarterbacks are the made men, so you can only go so far. But I thought Brady was disgusted by.

[B]

I think so. Like that. You're right. There's like, that's. That's a bucket that we don't hear from announcers, from the analyst that were former quarterbacks. You got the Josh Allens where you could just like, if it's Allen's against Mahomes, it's just. That's a jerk fest for three hours. That's fine.

[A]

Yeah, right. You're pulling your pants down at that point.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

So that's it.

[B]

Then. You got the Young quarterbacks. Cam Ward. You could always find something nice with them. You know, something like that. Or even we'll get to Trevor Lawrence and then, like, running for first downs. But something like this, like, it's just a shocker that this guy won Super Bowl MVP and like, that he's not taking off. More like, there's no design. Runs like, I don't know. This offensive coordinator's got to talk about, guys. This Kevin Petullo, he's awful. I mean, he's interviewed. He should interview with the Jets. He's at bat. I don't really get it.

[A]

I wrote down the gambling manifesto, which. Which even though my picks weren't great, I thought hit some good ones today, including bad offensive lines. Don't travel with the Chargers. Possible manifesto ad. I wrote down, if it seems like a team actively despises each other, no matter how good they are, you can't lay more than a field goal with them. Oh, okay. Did it seem all season like the Eagles didn't like each other? And that was the storyline. It was like, well, they won last year and super bowl hangover, and it's like, all right. But these guys also don't seem like they like each other. And then that play with Sirianni runs over to yell at A.J. brown. Right. And Brady goes, they have a great relationship.

[B]

They have a great relationship.

[A]

They do.

[B]

Maybe it's not so great anymore to.

[A]

Say it's not great. He's yelling at him on national tv.

[B]

People broken up for less, I think. And then he drops the big pack pass. So.

[A]

Drops a big pass and then doesn't get interviewed after the game. Yeah. And has been trying to probably get out of there for a year, but I think that was just an unhappy team. Whereas this Niners team, even though they kept losing these dudes, they still kept their team together. And the concept of pulling for each other and that, you could feel it today. So it was literally like one team really cared about each other more than the other team did. Felt like part of the game.

[B]

And yet I feel like if one guy wasn't on the field, and I'm not even saying he should have been replaced, if he just wasn't on the field. Blankenship, I think the Eagles win that game.

[A]

I mean, was he the MVP of the weekend?

[B]

Disaster. Just a fricking disaster. I mean, the. The play that everyone's going to talk about is Juwan Jennings throwing that pass to McCaffrey, who Blankenship was supposed to blanket, but. And then the Willie Mays catch And I think that was the only way they were scoring that drive. Honestly, like, there's two players who could hurt you on this team. One of them has the ball, he's ready to throw it. He's about to get attacked by four guys, and you're like, you're covering the other one and you're like, all right, you know, I'm going to join the other four guys, even though I'm 15 yards away. What the hell? And then just three other plays that were just awful.

[A]

They. So the heroes of the game. McAffrey had a couple big, even though he didn't have the rushing stats, had a couple of big plays. Robinson, we mentioned the fullback, had a couple awesome plays, and then we got to do it. Criticized them a few times on the BS pot over the years, but nine kids, Bobby Sala, I mean, he might get hired now. He might get a head coaching job. Like, for real. This could. There's going to be like nine jobs available. But he was. What he did to the Eagles and what he did to their receivers, I thought it's really impressive. Like, the other way to look at it is Lane Johnson's the most valuable player since Tom Brady retired. Right. Because it just feels like they fall apart without him.

[B]

Yeah. But, you know, Barkley had 100 yards. They just did stupid things. Right. They didn't convert when they should have. You know, this. This ends up being like a. You know, this ends up being like a fourth down fest who can convert and who can't. And just, you know, I just. The way I. And I would say Shanahan deserves credit, too. I mean, when a guy like Kittle goes out, you already have injuries and you have to really, like, you know, he and Kubiak have to adjust. And the defense kept them in. Like, you know, we'll probably crush him next week, but good job by Shanahan.

[A]

I think he's been awesome, and I thought he would have been the coach of the year before he lost the last game.

[B]

Right. Vrabel.

[A]

Vrabel or Liam Cohen probably gets out of the Liam Cohen loss today. Well, the big thing was they get that Purdy pick. They're down 17, 16. There's enough time left. There's like nine minutes left. Philly's at home. It's like, all right, let's see some emergency guys. And they start their drive and it's like, okay, I'm already in my head. Like, they're gonna score. Go for the two point. They'll be up seven. Now they're covering like, you go through all that mental gymnastics, and then the drive kind of stalled and they kicked the field goal and they're up 2. Right. And I thought that was it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

At that point, I thought the Niners were going to win the game. It was one of those that kind of had to get a touchdown on that drive. They just couldn't. And the. I mean, we didn't talk about this yet. This is. I don't know if a coach has ever been fired a year after they won the Super Bowl. It's probably. Probably making history, too.

[B]

Crazy. Yeah.

[A]

And I really thought LaFleur was. What we saw from him in the second half was going to be the worst thing we saw a weekend. It's fourth and 11. There's 43 seconds left. Right? Eagles need to get a first down. And they're on like, what, the 22 or something? They don't like something and they call timeout. They had three timeouts left. Brady. And I thought Brady was actually really good today. I thought that was the most I've enjoyed him doing. Again, Brady and Burkhart are fine with it. Brady's like, well, if you don't like it, you gotta call timeout. It's a big play and everyone else is watching. This has ever played a video game. It's like you just lost. If you don't get this, the game's over. You only have two timeouts. And I couldn't believe they missed it. And I couldn't believe they called a timeout. I'd rather delay a game.

[B]

Can I say something? And I'm. I know I'm in way in the minority here, and I'm usually with you the whole time, but.

[A]

Okay, zag on me.

[B]

I honestly. That was the game right there. That was a play. The offense looks so disheveled. Get a play. If you make the timeout count, don't throw it so that nobody's going to have a chance to convert or get it on fourth down or don't call the timeout and kick the field goal. And then you're talking about the same thing, basically stopping them and no time comes off because. Right, because.

[A]

Oh, that's interesting. I didn't think of that.

[B]

I just didn't think they were going to drive the field even if they were going to get stop, stop, stop, and then punt. So that play seemed to be the end for me.

[A]

It's the classic. Why are we practicing all season if we're not prepared for this specific moment?

[B]

Right, Right.

[A]

It's like, oh, fourth and Eight. Ah. Need two more minutes to think about this. It's like this is just. What's your best play?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is it A.J. brown, one on one? Just throw it to him. He either gets a PI or catches it. Like, what is it? This is the time to call it. Is it Goddard over the middle? You know, I'm with was really bad. We had. There was a crazy wind. We had the fight. We had Kittle getting hurt. We had a double reverse wide receiver pass and we had the Niners somehow scoring on two straight drives. Trent Williams playing was a big part of this game, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was like. Like when we were trying to figure this out on Wednesday, Thursday, it was unclear with him and Lane Johnson which one of those was playing.

[B]

But Fox, when they're promoting this game on Wednesday, wouldn't put Trent Williams picture against Lane Johnson. That's not how they would do it on the graphic.

[A]

But you don't think that would work.

[B]

It really kind of came down to that.

[A]

Right. That one of them didn't play other NFC game. And then we'll do the two AFC games after. Panthers. Seahawks. Yeah. Seahawks. By ten and a half. It was the biggest road favorite line ever.

[B]

Panthers. Rams.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sorry. Panthers. Rams. I took the points. I didn't. It was the only one for our Ringer 107 contest. Somehow I'm two and three with picks this week and own four in the Ringer 107 contest.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Ask yourself how you can pull that off. Cause I did. I'm going the other way in Ringer 107 now. I want to end up with by far the worst record and then have the big comeback next year.

[B]

Well, just keep going.

[A]

I want to go like 42. Yeah. I'm not changing anything. Okay. I want to go like 43 and 60, 64. But Panthers, Seahawks, we all the people that were around and our fans.

[B]

Why do you want to call them the Seahawks so much?

[A]

The Panthers. Rams? Because I'm screwing up here on Netflix. Panthers. Rams. Seven of us come together at Shakey's in Hollywood, which we do every year. Right. Was this the most entertaining Shakes game we ever had?

[B]

I think so. So we saw Tebow, right? I think that would be the only. Oh, no. Wow. So there were two that we thought of the Tebow all the time.

[A]

I should probably explain the Shakey's game to whatever new audience we have.

[B]

Just don't keep saying it's the Seahawks, but go ahead. Yeah.

[A]

It's Panthers, Rams. Right. Shakey's game. It's the first game of the weekend, round one. They always put the least appealing game. Our fantasy league gets together and we go to Shakey's because it was a pizza place in the late 2000s that was pretty run down on Santa Monica Boulevard. And we thought it'd be funny to do our banquet there. Like the most rundown pizza place in our area. And it's become a tradition to go to Shakey's.

[B]

Like, we could afford chicken parmesan at a decent restaurant.

[A]

Yeah, we could go to Dantana's or something. We don't. We go to Shakey's. And. And it's. And it's usually an experience. Tebow vs Pittsburgh 2011. Tebow's one great playoff moment happened in a shake his game. And then beast mode against the Saints. I think those were the two best. That was good.

[B]

You're not going to like this, but, oh, no, it was. It was Ravens, Broncos, right? The.

[A]

Was that a Shakey's game?

[B]

Yeah, it was a shaky Shakey's game. We might have stayed for the second game. That might have been like the second game kind of thing, but this one was great.

[A]

And the funniest thing was our groups all together, including our friend Hench, who we've talked about many times. Damoshek, our friend Tony, who you and I used to share an office with on Jimmy Kimmel Live. You have. I don't. I don't. Whatever college funds left. You have more involved. Yeah. Yeah. So you come in pleasant, and as the fourth quarter starts and it seems like there's been Panthers upset, you're sinking backwards in your chair and you're just focused on the game. And Hanshin, Damoshek and Tony just start talking about the American Revolution doc on pbs, loudly talking about different wars. What was the best part? And they're just going on and on. I almost felt like it was a bit. I thought it was like a hidden camera bit. And I'm like, guys, three minutes left. Kind of a big. This would be kind of a big upset here. And they're like, but here's the thing about Benedict Arnold. And they're just like going crazy. And you're dying and I'm dying and our friend Randy is dying. It was hilarious.

[B]

I don't want to say anything, but I'm like, this is the biggest upset in. In shaky's history and in. In wild card history. Right? It's about to happen, and you're fricking talking damageheads like, General Cornwallis had it coming. Like, who gives a fuck? Like this is not Netflix. Right? It's pbs. This thing, this American Revolution thing, they're like.

[A]

And how about what they did to the Quakers? And it's like, all right, fourth and three. It was amazing. So it was like watching you being honestly operated on.

[B]

Listen, this was a near disaster for Shakey's outing for me. Like, you and Hench killing Stafford. Stafford's like auditioning for mvp. Every single pass. Like, oh, Drake May would have completed that. He would have done. Yeah. He had Puka in a helmet from a 30 yards. He's like, he threw it too hard. Like, all right, then the American Revolution talk. And, you know, I'm about to get killed with this Rams money line. And Brad wasn't really fun. Like, he fell asleep with his arms folded. And then he'd, like, occasionally wake up to make fun of the diminutive, you know, elderly women in the booth behind them. But that was it. I was like, I may have to leave. I don't know what's going on.

[A]

You missed Brad's most fun part when he reviewed Sinners for us. That was. That was really. He thought it was overrated, was his take.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Well, the best part. I'm sorry. I know Brad is our crazy, crazy friend for many, many years. But before I even got there, you're like, hey, hurry up. They only have the Rams game on. On two of the eight screens. And Brad is yelling at the manager. I was like, yep, that checks out. And then I didn't hear anything from you.

[A]

So I was like, yeah, they had a Bears, packers game on two of the TVs from NFL Network from two months ago. I've noticed this in different restaurants and establishments. Yeah. Whoever's in charge of the tv, they're always put out.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Like, you have a place and you have TVs all over the place. I assume part of the attraction of coming to your place would be people are gonna eat and watch games on tv. And then you don't care what games are on the tv. And it's like, this is. We're in la. It's a Rams playoff game. Every game should be. There was like a corner show in the. A corner TV show in NBA tv. They were showing the Packers Bears game. They had Spectrum Channel one. Just. The news channel was on one of them. It's like. But just go around and put channel 11 on all these, Right?

[B]

Yeah, listen, I try. I think there's a way to do it. You have to have a def touch. You go to the manager and it's like listen, I have this great, great talent. I can control any remote you hand to me. This won't take a second out of your time. I know what channel every game is on. Just go about, do your thing. Just cook up a new batch of mojo potatoes. I'll do this for you. And they, they get, they get put out by it most of the time. Sometimes they're like, yeah, here, take it, I don't care, I don't want to do it. But yeah.

[A]

I thought you said, you went up to them and said listen, if the Rams lose this game, I'm going to have to put my house on Redford. Can I please have the remote control?

[B]

Grabbing all this leftover pizza and selling it in the parking lot and then I'm selling my car along with it.

[A]

Well, Stafford, it was an MVP roller coaster. Couldn't like the lack of mobility you could really feel with him a couple times. But then every time it really started to look bad. He'd make a great play. He had a, I wrote down, there was a happy feet drop pick after he'd had another pick and after he had missed Adams for a bomb TD. And after the happy feet drop picked on third down, he was 11 for 26. But then he kind of rallied and what was interesting was Panthers threw a pick, they had a field fourth and one, they lost their left tackle, they're hanging around, hanging around and they block a punt with 4:30 left. Cause the Rams special teams is just going to be their Achilles heel. Apologies to George Kittle. And the Panthers get the go ahead touchdown. But there's almost too much time left. It was like they almost would have been better off punt, 70 yard drive, end the game. But instead they score fast and the Rams were able to put together a draft.

[B]

And that was, that's my second talent working the remote and knowing how to do the clock management. We talked about that. We said like hey, quarterbacks need to play less video games and coaches head coaches need to play more. And in the form of Madden, like knowing how much time is left in time management. Cause I know their head gets scattered. But yeah, Stafford was good. I think it was 12 for 15 down the stretch.

[A]

He was good.

[B]

Everything you said before, that is true. Six for seven on that last drive. But again it comes down to like fourth downs. They were all for three of the Panthers on fourth down conversions and that's, that's a turnover.

[A]

Bryce was all over the place, which has been the experience all year. But it was weirdly like a, it was a moral victory. Win for them. They didn't get embarrassed. They hung around. They almost won. There was some really bizarre coaching. Like McVeigh passed up, going up 27 before halftime.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Right. Could have been up 13, kick off, just take it. But decided to. There was a lot of fourth down hero ball that I'm sure the nerds have, have, have, have supported all the time. But I did feel like it was a tipping point of like common sense in some of these.

[B]

Yeah, you know, but what's funny is, and we'll get to it in your game, but Harbaugh like kind of had the same decision to make twice and once he made one and the other, he decided to kick right.

[A]

He flipped.

[B]

Well, it probably would have said green go. You know, if you looked at analytics for both. But at some point, yeah, you're like, yeah, let's get some points on the ball board. Enough.

[A]

Harbaugh was like the guy at third base and Blackjack who hits on 13. Then the next time it comes to them, he stays and you're like, right, yeah. Pick a lane, dude. It's not, it's not. You just gotta go in one way or the other. What's, what's the one you like doing more? Pretty bizarre last minute Carolina drive too, where they had had enough time left maybe to see me do something. But listen, I was suspect of the Rams. I didn't think they would be the team that came out of the nfc. I had, I had Seattle, which Seattle didn't play and was probably one of the big winners of the weekend. But I just don't think the Rams defense is good enough. That's my, my big. I thought the Panthers proved yet again that I think you can move the ball on them. They have a pass rush. That's about it. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What do you, what do you, what do you see from it?

[B]

No, that's it. I mean they, they had Young in trouble a couple times. A few times they put them down, but. And they're also penalized, which is weird. They had like 83 yards and penal. That, that hurt them a lot. But yeah, you're going to get a couple of big plays now that they're going to see better quarterbacks. Caleb Williams, you know, they have to go to his backyard. So this is tough. I mean, I have them on. I love those cross. This is who's going to meet who in the super bowl things. I made a bunch of those and the Rams are on them. Not feeling great about that right now.

[A]

No. We did have a good conversation about American Revolution. Yeah, well, we learned a lot about. Learned a lot about the revolution. I got to put in my two minutes about how Boston just saved everybody's ass. Some people should be a lot nicer to Boston.

[B]

That was it. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You thought that 1775. 1775 starts everything. We don't get enough credit for that.

[B]

Unless I could live bet this American revolution chat.

[A]

Cut it out.

[B]

Let's watch the game.

[A]

That's what I. Well, we had a good talk because I'd watched the Marshan launch Marshawn lynch beast mode run on Twitter. Like on Wednesday. It was just randomly on. I was like, that has to be the greatest run of my life. And so we were talking about what were the best NFL runs we could ever remember. And I do think that's like a minus 420 favorite to be the answer. Wow. It's been around a long time.

[B]

What did we say? We had a couple that stacked up. Right. Dorset's 99 yarder, maybe not as important, but it was a Monday night. Right.

[A]

But it had the Monday night football crew.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Marcus out in the Super Bowl. Riggins in the Super Bowl. And then I think the wild card are the two Bo Jackson ones though when he knocked over Bosworth. But then the one when he's going down the sidelines and he's like on the 50 and the announcer's like he's gone and he just keeps going and runs into the tunnel. Right.

[B]

That was good.

[A]

But I think when you watch the lynch one for what it meant to the game, it's an actual playoff game. They're like 10 point underdogs. He may. He either, I think like eight guys either hit him or bounce off him and it just, it's like a Benny Hill sketch.

[B]

Camera shaking stadium so rocking so much.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that has to be the number one. But I don't know the answer if we're going to go greatest, greatest reception ever gets a little harder.

[B]

What about when Lamar Jackson had the runs and had to take off to the locker room like in the middle of second quarter.

[A]

You're not counting that? I forgot about that one. Oh, and then we talked about Mendoza too. What's going on with him? Because I've landed on Mendoza going to Vegas as would be the funniest 2026 storyline.

[B]

Poor guy.

[A]

The least Vegasy guy who could ever go to Vegas. And that's just where he's gonna be. Mendoza, you wanna come gambling with us? I can't. Have fun, guys. I'll say a prayer for you. This fun Vegas tank ever.

[B]

He's just pregame meal is like dinosaur chicken nuggets and and Mac and cheese and like yeah, they're going to send them to the the Crazy Horse 3 like yeah, no, sorry.

[A]

It's going to be the Hangover 4 as they finally break Mendoza at a bachelor party and it's just loses his mind. He disappears. Yeah, that's it.

[B]

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[A]

So here's the idea.

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[A]

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[B]

You did it. You won.

[A]

It's great.

[B]

Terrific. 19:3. Disgusting.

[A]

Two teams that couldn't block.

[B]

Oh, your guys couldn't block either.

[A]

We couldn't block. They really couldn't block. And. And it was just a defensive battle. That was the best our defenses looked in a long time. But everyone's also healthy. They had a great game plan. They really took advantage of the fact that the Chargers don't have a left or a right tackle who should be playing. And Herbert has whatever's going on with his hand and got the crap kicked out of him. And by the end of the game, even though I wanted the Pats to blow them out, like 10% of me felt bad for Herbert.

[B]

Yeah, I didn't know what you were.

[A]

I don't know what he's supposed to do in that game.

[B]

He's a tough bastard. Right. So that's why you can't really crap on him. Right. But these are some bad losses now that he's been part of. Not that bad. Like they should have won and lost, but you know, the Jaguars won where they're up 30. Didn't do anything in the fourth. That Texans game last, last January, he threw four interceptions and now this one. I just don't know. That offensive line ought to be ashamed of themselves. I know there's injuries. They've used like nine guys. But what were you guys, like 26th in sacks this year? Like, yeah, They've blocked better teams, like, better runs. Like, they just were not ready for this.

[A]

I think Milton Williams being back and healthy was a big part of that. Cause he missed like five, six games and that was like the entire middle of the defense. But home crowd Sunday night, West Coast, East Coast. But the big thing was I didn't feel like their receivers were ever open. And then on a couple times when they were open, they weren't making plays. But even like Keenan Allen had a drop. Gonzalez before he got hurt, I thought that was the best Patriots game I've ever seen him have.

[B]

He was phenomenal.

[A]

He was all over the place. Collinsworth called it out a couple times, but it was like nobody was doing anything on him. And then he got, hopefully not concussed some sort of possible something. And it didn't even seem like a concussion play. So status could be in question for next week. But I. The. I'm trying to think how the Boston. Boston media can get a little negative. No, especially the radio shows. Couple radio. No, it's a. It's. They do this whole. There's a couple Northeast cities that do this where they zag and they're like, they might have won, but they only won. And this was bad. And Drake May, that's why he's not going to win mvp. They're going to get super negative. I've watched every snap of Drake May's career. That was not a good Drake May game. For about two hours there, I thought he was.

[B]

He was off.

[A]

He was okay.

[B]

What he did with his legs was.

[A]

What he did with his legs was great.

[B]

More impressive than anything, honestly.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then, you know, you move the ball. I don't know. I just. You do see how it's a little more difficult than when you play the jets four times. Right. But still you handle. I mean, you were so overconfident. And it worked.

[A]

It worked.

[B]

How does it happen?

[A]

I felt really good about the Chargers O line. I really felt like that was going to be. I didn't think they're going to be able to run the ball and I didn't think they were going to be able to protect Herbert, but I thought May was going to be better than that. Like, he missed Hooper in the second half for a touchdown. He hasn't missed that throw in three months. Yeah, he's a long time. He's nailed that all. I know, but he's nailed that throw all the time. He had a couple great scrambles. I did. The one thing. We should have talked about this on Ringer gambling show. That whole. Remember that there was like four or five playoff games when the Mahomes rushing over unders were too low. Oh, right. Yeah. And they never factored in that he would just play differently in the playoffs. The Patriots have had the fucking kids gloves with May with the scrambling all season. They don't want him to get hit. They don't want him get concussed. He slides, he goes down. He didn't this game. He was really aggressive with it and trying to run around. And I think that playoff Drake, I thought that was the difference.

[B]

Definitely no doubt about it. I mean that over must have hit in the first quarter, like with that first run. I mean, I know you kneel down and then it's like, you know, I think it helped you that I didn't see when they changed this rule. But Patriots are allowed to slap the like get face used face mask penalties and like, it's not a penalty.

[A]

You could hit the head thing. That was great.

[B]

I love that it happened on I think McConkey too. Like, I didn't know you were allowed to do that now. So that's. That's a great benefit going forward.

[A]

I think that was a penalty. It came right after a ridiculous spot, so I felt like it evened out. Right. That's true. That's all you're. I never. I just did not believe in this Chargers team as a playoff team. I thought they were lucky to get in and I just thought they'd had too many injuries and it was really never worked.

[B]

By the way, as a fan, when you call out the team you want to play, like three weeks ago, you probably. You said you wanted to play the Chargers.

[A]

Right?

[B]

You want to play the Chargers.

[A]

They have no offensive line.

[B]

Let that be the 2 7. And then you talk up May and everything. Well, like, is this one of the top three days of your life? I wanted to ask. Patriots win. Hold on.

[A]

Patriots win. Top 25.

[B]

Netflix debut.

[A]

Netflix debut. People wondering why we don't have makeup on.

[B]

Right, right, right. Probably just me. But Amy Poehler wins. Right? Let's talk about that.

[A]

Amy Poehler won the Golden Globe for best podcast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And deserved it because the podcast is great and she's a great person and we love working with her. So. Yeah, that was exciting.

[B]

Good job by you.

[A]

I mean, this has to be with top three. They.

[B]

They doused Vrabel with hot water and lemon. I don't know if you saw that because we were just like going live.

[A]

Did they do that? Put honey in it.

[B]

Put honey in It.

[A]

Well, Vrabel hugged Milton Williams and got headbutted in the nose and mouth and was bleeding. Like, loved it. You don't see the coach himself bleed.

[B]

More coaches going in the blue tent after the game. It's weird. You don't see it that much.

[A]

Yeah, it was. You know, I wanted. I was hoping the Golden Globe thing would turn out well. And it was happening right during a Patriot drive. And it was just a lot. I felt like I was overheating like, a car. I was like, this is too much. I've seen this happen to you a couple times when there's too many games, and you just kind of, like, get that, like, deer in the headlights, getting overwhelmed look.

[B]

Did you.

[A]

Let me ask you this.

[B]

Amy wins, but the Patriots lose. Or you could have the opposite result. Which one?

[A]

You know what's funny? I said to my wife two hours ago that you were going to do this, okay?

[B]

So you should have an answer prepared.

[A]

I'm definitely not answering.

[B]

Oh, come on.

[A]

For the new listeners. When Sal and I worked together on Kimmel's show, and we sat next to each other at a desk, that desk right next to each other, writing jokes and doing shit every day, and anytime I was, like, trying to work, and you would try to mess with me, and you would be like, simmons, you could only save one of your two parents. Which one do you pick? Right. And you would just throw these crazy hypotheticals at me every day, basically.

[B]

And you said you were so.

[A]

I knew that polar one was coming because I've known you now for 23 years.

[B]

Well, what's the answer? You don't want to answer? Come on. I think it's nice for the Netflix.

[A]

I wanted both. I wasn't thinking either or. It was not a good situation. All right. But I was happy. I did. I get. I started to get competitive when the smartless guys handed out an award, though.

[B]

Oh. Right in the beginning, I was like.

[A]

Oh, is this rigged? I didn't. I didn't know we were rigging this. The smartest guys, they hand out the award. They get to do it. But big picture for Herbert. You said it earlier.03 in the playoffs now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Um, the nerds love him. The nerds will defend him to the death. Did you feel like he could have done more in that game other than maybe be a little more protective of the ball? What was he missing when he was.

[B]

Stepping up in the pocket and, like, just before the line of scrimmage and he lets it fly? I don't think he hit any of Those passes and those are the only like 15 plus yard passes I thought he was able to complete. If he drops back in the pocket, he goes through his progressions as, as good as anyone else. But that wasn't working. So everything else is like a five yard pass. But I really thought he'd be able to hit. Although, I mean, you had great coverage. I don't know what to say.

[A]

Again, defense was good.

[B]

Defense.

[A]

Well, can't we say the two worst playoff teams were the Panthers and the Chargers? Right. I mean, maybe tomorrow we'll feel that way about the Steelers or the Texans, but. Right, right. I just felt like they weren't at the same level. Even Philly, who, you know shit the bed, but you can't say that team wasn't talented. That team had dudes all over the place.

[B]

Yeah, those are the two for sure.

[A]

The May thing, couple other, just deep cut pat stuff. They really miss Matt Collins, who the announcers did not mention once in the game today. And I liked Rico and Collinsworth. I thought they did a great job for the most part. Matt Collins, the blocking, he was like a Drake May security blanket. They would always get 1D pass with him and he got hurt just randomly. He had some abdominal injury or something like in the last two weeks of the season. But I just thought, I don't think they've looked the same since he left. And then May was too sloppy in the pocket with the ball. Like he. If they're going to play whoever next week, it's either going to be the Texans. If they play the Texans next week who have a good defense. You can't be that careless with the ball with all the people around you. This is stuff he was doing as a rookie and he wasn't doing it the last three months. He was way more careful with the ball. He was not careful.

[B]

No, you're fine. You're gonna, you're gonna get every single bounce from now until 2050. He fumbled. The offensive lineman like grabbed it, a whirling dervish, but switched hands and recovered.

[A]

They recovered one of those too. On the charger side. Vidal got one his own, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were.

[B]

That was their biggest play for a while.

[A]

Yeah, I do wonder, like that first playoff game. There are some pretty convincing stats about a QB in their first playoff game, no matter who they are. You know, we have like the Quincy Carter types from way back, but then even like Peyton Manning, whoever, Brady, the snow game, he was terrible for two hours in that game and then finally got going. But I Think we'll see next week because I know that I bet his standards are going to be a little higher and variable. Push them a little bit. Awesome.

[B]

The Virgin quarterbacks were 2 and 1. Virgin quarterback, playoff quarterbacks were 2 and 1.

[A]

He had a similar game to Caleb where it took him a while to warm up. Caleb finished with 361 and he didn't have the scrambling like Drake did.

[B]

Oh, I know it.

[A]

Drake finished with 17 for 29 for 268. But he was, he was like 7 for 17 at one point. Like it was like way usually he's 75% of his passes. He was 10 for 66 rushing. The big thing now and I mentioned this last week and I just wanted to mention again quick, the Ramandre Stevenson renaissance. Who was the best guy for on the offense today? And this was a guy the Pats fans were ready to wave after the Steelers game. You know, Brable stuck by him. It was one of the best things that he did. All right. The game I was the most wrong about, this was the only game I really loved. Jags, Bills.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I really thought the Jags were better. I didn't understand how the Bills were going to beat them. And as it turns out, the blueprint for them beating them was basically what happened. A ridiculous game. Allen throws to nine receivers. Allen runs the ball 11 times. He runs the ball for two touchdowns including a 10 yard tush push. I think he had 14 injuries by the end of the game. I couldn't even keep track anymore. His wife was pregnant at the golden globes, you know, 3,000 miles away. And it's just like gamut of emotions day for him. He's throwing a Shakir. Brandon Cooks who wasn't playing for anyone. Gabe Davis who they picked up, who got hurt again. Coleman, who they benched twice. The two white tight ends, couple running backs, shavers, right. He had seven incompletions and nine guys caught passes from him like that. You should not have less incompletions than receivers. Right? And he was just interesting. It was a face of the league game from our guy Josh. And I'm watching the whole game going God damn it, why do I have Trevor Lawrence against Josh?

[B]

I know.

[A]

And I had the whole week to think about it and I knew it and I walked into it and I was just like, ah, but why did I do it?

[B]

One stupid play. And that's I guess the difference, right? In the end, one team had Josh Allen and the other one did. Although they both had Josh Allen's the other one didn't play quarterback though. The Jackson.

[A]

The other one had a Hines Allen.

[B]

So they have a Jackson Allen.

[A]

I think the Mahomes Philly game last year really screwed me up because I, I couldn't think of a single reason to pick KC other than Mahomes. I'm like, I'm just not going against my homes. So then you go into this game, I'm like, I'm not doing that again. Where the only reason I can think of picking one team is the quarterback. And yet that was the reason they won.

[B]

Didn't you think they were running them? They were doing just what they needed to do. They were run. They were, they had rushing yard. I know you were, you were killing the offensive play calling because they didn't go as much to, you know, you know, Etienne and Tootin as much as they should have. But it's one play. It's that fourth and one where like Lawrence goes and he launches and his shin hits the ground or something. I don't know. His knee hits. I don't know how it happened. They score there, it's what, 14, three. And then like, then Josh Allen's like a little against the ropes. That's what you needed to happen.

[A]

Well, they get, they had a terrible pick in the first half. Yep. By Lawrence. Just an awful old school terrible Trevor Lawrence thrower. Like red zone September. Like, let's go to Jacksonville. Trevor Lawrence wants this one back. So we have that with the fourth and two inside the 10, which, which is there for some reason as he dives. He needs the ground. They get a fumble on a kickoff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And yet nothing was going right for them. I wrote down their running backs were 8 for 99 in the first two hours, rushing eight carries for 99 yards. And they're just force baiting Lawrence. And it was to the point where it's like, do they want this guy to be the hero of the game or something? Like, what's the game plan? Just run the ball. Buffalo can't stop the run. What are you guys doing? And then the run will set up the play action. And it just, it took them too long to get going. Sal.

[B]

I think it's tough, Bill. But no, that, I mean that's their, that's their offense though. Like they mix it up. And don't forget like Lawrence at that point, at that point was averaging seven yards a carry himself. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm all for like, oh, he just threw an interception. Let's run the ball a little bit. But it was late. First Quarter.

[A]

You can't.

[B]

You got to build that confidence back a little bit. And I felt he. Look, it was their defense that needed to step up at the end, right? Like, he got him ahead in the fourth quarter with a few minutes left. We all knew. We all knew it was too much.

[A]

No, it's the last two drives. Buffalo drove the last two. Right? Two touchdown drives in the fourth quarter to end the game on the road in Jacksonville.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

That was it. Stop him.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

I thought Lawrence was bad and the kick missed.

[B]

That was a bad miss from the guy who, like, makes him from, you know, Boca Raton. He Little. He can have these. Yeah, Little Cam Little.

[A]

So. Oh, my God, Nance. Really?

[B]

Oh, he. They were both jinxing it.

[A]

Oh, he's like, this guy can make it from 80. And then of course, he comes back.

[B]

At their own 15. They're like, Ah, bring him out for this.

[A]

Lawrence was 18 for 30 for 207 and two picks. I actually kept track the entire game of balls that he threw that hit. Buffalo hands.

[B]

How many?

[A]

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Eight what?

[B]

Eight.

[A]

I'm telling you, I marked all of them down. Eight times a Buffalo defender hit a Lawrence pass with their hand. Oh, and then the last tip passes. Is that talking tip passes pass or. The guy had a chance to pick it up. The last play when they actually got the interception, two guys hit that, the guy tipped it, another guy caught it. Right. But it was just. He was just throwing it around and he reverted back to September. Trevor Lawrence. I thought that guy was dead after the Denver game. I thought this was the new Trevor Lawrence. Was that.

[B]

Yeah, I think I wasn't good enough.

[A]

Buffalo doesn't have a good defense.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

It's true. But it was very good today. It really was. Russo and Shaq Thompson was. Was excellent. I think they did have like eight or nine pass deflections. I did write that down. And the other thing that they turned around on the Bills was time of possession was like 34, 26 Buffalo. It's like, nah, they're not going to win that game.

[A]

That's not.

[B]

We knew that they wouldn't win with that game plan.

[A]

So they had. Buffalo has a chance to go up three, they get that crazy tush push. Or as Nance called it, the push Tush. Did you hear that one?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Push, push, Tush. No relation to pash rush from Chris Kahns or. And Allen's gets tackled, basically they decide he's down at the one there's a minute two left, right. Jacksonville has no timeouts and the move is kind of sneak. But don't do what Drake may did earlier this year where you don't try to score. Allen's like, fuck it. He goes right in. There's a minute two left and they're up three. And it felt like a huge mistake. Yeah, I felt I'm always for like ramming in but in this case like a minute with that kicker who can kick 70 yarders. I'm like killing.

[B]

But what does play look like? So is it a kneel down? Cause you don't want to start the second play from the three and then you get a false start and he.

[A]

Just kind of sneaks but he just kind of goes down because they were.

[B]

Going to let him Drake anyway. So they probably. He probably could have just like gone forward or right where he was.

[A]

Yeah, they had 62 seconds left. They got the ball at like the 25 and their kicker can kick a field goal from the 50. So they needed to go in 62 seconds, 25 yards. So what's the first play? Let's throw it right over the middle to a guy who's covered by two people. Even if he catches it, it's a 10 yard play, he gets tackled, 22 seconds come off the clock. Like how is that your first play? I just thought Liam Cohen, is there something about first year, first first time coaches in a playoff game again with somebody who immediately is losing the QB matchup? Maybe that's like some sort of bad formula.

[B]

Let's ask our producer Cahal. Pull that up and we're going to need that in 30 seconds.

[A]

Come back with us. I got an email from a reader, a listener, Pierre in Louisiana after this game. He said, think you're overthinking the picks. Fundamentally, hobbyist gambling should simply be about having fun. You agree with this?

[B]

Wait, what?

[A]

Hobbyist gambling should simply be about having fun when you gamble. He's saying it should be fun. He needed to see you yesterday during the Rams fun.

[B]

I'm trying to think when was the last time was fun? Like when was. This is not where a lot of craps a hot craps table. This is every man from Scott.

[A]

I think the most fun I ever had was Raven's Giants super bowl in January. February 2001, whatever that was.

[B]

Yeah, that was cool.

[A]

We didn't even know each other yet. We separately cleaned up. I hit like everything in that game.

[B]

Super Bowl's weird for me. I don't have fun because I'm so Upset this season's over.

[A]

You have too many bets.

[B]

If I win. Yeah.

[A]

So Pierre says betting against Josh Allen isn't fun. Betting on Trevor Lawrence isn't fun. Maybe add fun to the playoff gambling manifesto. So he sent this email, and then I watched the Eagles Niners game, and I'm like, I'm not having fun with my pick here either. I wish I had the Niners. It would have been more fun to have the. Nobody believes those Niners. So round two. I might just go for fun.

[B]

What is. Because Pierre said so.

[A]

Yeah, Pierre in Louisiana thinks we should have more fun with gambler, Buddhist or something.

[B]

Pierre, thanks, but we know we got this, man. Don't ever email us again.

[A]

I have to find this picture I took of you. I hope this.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

This is Sal and Shakey's.

[B]

You son of a bitch.

[A]

As our three friends are talking about American history and the Rams are falling apart, and Sal is just sinking backwards into his chair. That was yesterday. See, that looks like gambling wasn't fun.

[B]

No, no, no. That was one of the all the three hours that it wasn't fun.

[A]

It was 27:24 with 2:42 left. And I think Hench and Danishek and Tony were in 1776 at that point. Like, breaking down post Tea Party. Right. What was happening then?

[B]

I'm glad you showed because I wasn't going to do this, but now that you did, I have a picture of you singing in excess to your wife here now. I don't. I don't have it. I don't. I don't have it.

[A]

Surprise birthday party.

[B]

Surprise birthday party.

[A]

I was a karaoke surprise. I don't know if that's going to be a win or loss for me if that ever ends up.

[B]

You're turning very red. It looks like you have makeup now. This is good. This is all right. What you need?

[A]

What was it?

[B]

What'd you sing to her?

[A]

I really thought you were going to have the video. I was like. I was terrified.

[B]

I should have. I knew.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. You've had too good a day.

[A]

You know what I do have, though, is I have video footage of me watching the Eagles game in the sauna. I got that one for you today. Yeah? Yeah. I knew that would annoy you.

[B]

What is the matter with you? You wore a shirt. Also, Bill wears a shirt in the sauna.

[A]

I wore a shirt in the sauna. I did second half jags, bills on the treadmill, going 3, 9, walking and 40 during commercials. And the game flew by because I just couldn't believe the Jags were blowing it. And then sauna after and then finished it off with some hot water and honey.

[B]

What a guy.

[A]

Yeah. Things are off the rails in 2026. Yeah. Did you see me eating the pizza? Pulling the cheese off.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I was proud of myself.

[B]

Most disgraceful patron of Shakey's. Good job.

[A]

So we had five games. Four of them were awesome. The Pats Chargers game was not awesome, although I had a great time and I was excited for my dad. And now we have Steelers, Texans tomorrow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which the line is settled at three, it seems like. Right.

[B]

I've seen it at three. Yeah. I don't think it's moving. We'll see.

[A]

And a half three. What I watched this weekend made me even more convinced that the Steelers are the bet tomorrow.

[B]

Because. Because the.

[A]

I think it's same thing as that Chargers. I don't think they're gonna be able to block.

[B]

Oh, interesting.

[A]

For Texans. So as good as their defense is, I think it's. It's worse when you have the offense that can't block and you're on the road in a. In a crowd like that. I think it. That'd be my takeaway.

[B]

I thought my thing was there are three fraudulent teams in the playoffs right now. In my opinion, all different levels of fraudulent. I said the Panthers. I thought the Bears a little bit. And I thought the Steelers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And two of them are played tough. And I think the Steelers also will. Oh, man. If Aaron Rodgers goes to New England. Come on. It's another win for you.

[A]

So they, they, they beat the Pats in Week 3 in a game where the Pats had five turnovers, including Ramondre fumbling as he's about to score. We also had the one yesterday in the Bears game, the Christian Watson helicopter play where he fumbled on the half inch line. Just Feels like anything full speed at the half yard line is going to go badly for somebody you just don't know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

What.

[A]

They recovered it.

[B]

They got it.

[A]

They did.

[B]

Like that was a. That was a bad Bears moment too because it didn't go out of bounds somehow. And the packers recovered. They didn't score because they had to place it at the one, but eventually they did.

[A]

See, I know we led with that. I still can't get over that game. That was the. The packers were the right pick in that game.

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[A]

All right, so we're going to. Here's the plan for us. We're going to do guest alliance for the. For the games that we have, which are three games.

[B]

Did you see the Times? This is news.

[A]

Oh, do we have a schedule? What is it? Can I make guesses? Can I guess? Can I guess the schedule?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, I'm going to guess. Broncos Bills is the first game on Saturday.

[B]

If FanDuel listed it correctly, you're right. Yes.

[A]

Okay, I'm going to guess. Seahawks 49ers Saturday night.

[B]

Yeah. Are you looking at this or you got.

[A]

No, I'm guessing. Yes. Patriots, whoever on Sunday afternoon. Because that had early Sunday. Because that has to be. The Monday night team needs enough days, Right?

[B]

Well, the Monday night team needs updates. So the Patriots are definitely playing Sunday.

[A]

They're just hosting somebody. And then Rams, Bears. Sunday night they have Rams, Bears day.

[B]

And. Which means we would do this again after your. After your team play. No.

[A]

Please, no.

[B]

Let me make sure.

[A]

See now, because. Is it a Fox thing?

[B]

Let me see.

[A]

Must be a Fox thing. Fox must get the early game on Sunday. They must get their picks.

[B]

They get Rams, Bears, early. I mean, this is. This is what's on another Pat's game.

[A]

I mean, I love Netflix. If it means we. We follow a Pat's playoff game every week. This is a good streak for us.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. No, this is bad for you.

[A]

Good for me.

[B]

I think they would have put you Saturday night if they knew Rogers was playing. For sure. I think they want Rogers in a night game if. If they. If they're able to do so. But there's no guarantee.

[A]

Pat Houston is almost like a shaky game.

[B]

Right, Right, right.

[A]

Could be ugly like the one today. All right, so a quick backstory for any new watchers we have here. Sal and I have been playing guest alliance. It was first. Who. Who'd you start the game with?

[B]

My buddy dad. The parlay kid?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

He used to hide in a closet so his. His girlfriend now wife couldn't hear us. Guessing lines. Cause it's. It was frowned upon back then. And now we're on Netflix, Stone.

[A]

See, we'd have the schedule. I start working for Jimmy Kimmel Live. We start doing it. I Show up mid November 2002. The show hasn't started yet. We're sitting next to each other. Rest of 2002 through the playoffs, you're like, let's play guest alliance. We start doing it. Then the next year, we do it at work. Then I leave jko. We start doing on the phone. We do it on the phone for three years. Then when I get a podcast at espn, it becomes the Monday pod. Monday. And we've been doing it ever since. This is, I think, our 19th year, 19th year doing guest alliance. And what happens is we guess the line. Whoever's closer wins it. And I've won all 19 years for the new people.

[B]

No, stop it. I won't.

[A]

You're right, you jerk. You won last year.

[B]

I've won more than last year.

[A]

Yeah. No, I'm probably up like 10, 7 lifetime.

[B]

I know. Well, when you're cheating, when you're allowed to swat the quarterback, then what are we going to do?

[A]

All right, so we're going to get to the Lions. So we're going to say the first game is Broncos Bills in Denver.

[B]

That's what it appears to be.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. I've not seen the lines.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I think the Broncos are going to be favored, and I think it's in the Tic Tac zone, which we call for anything minus 1.5. And I'm going to say Broncos one.

[B]

And a half calories.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Broncos minus 1.5 at home against Denver. Against Buffalo. Oh, all right.

[B]

So I get this one because I said Buffalo minus 1.5 and it is Buffalo minus 1.5.

[A]

Okay, let's talk about this.

[B]

Well, they power rated them exactly the same as the Jaguars.

[A]

Right. But aren't the Broncos better than the Jaguars? The Broncos are the 1 seed.

[B]

Yeah, they're the 1 seed.

[A]

They won 14 and 3. They're home. The altitude. Josh Allen got the kick shit kicked out of him this week.

[B]

Right. They also have trouble eclipsing 13 points a lot of times, so I think they're factoring that in. And who's betting? Denver. Right.

[A]

I am going to make my first Netflix hardcore prediction. The Broncos will be favored by next Saturday.

[B]

Really?

[A]

This will be Broncos by one and a half on Saturday. All right. I think it had. This is exactly what happened that Jags game. The line moved along the line Moved along. Then it flipped. That's my prediction.

[B]

Interesting. Let me just make sure. These are. No, I mean these things flip all so much. And then what? We take a teaser, right? We add six points to whoever the underdog is getting one and a half. That doesn't seem to work all the time.

[A]

Well, the ones. The ones today in real life that worked. We can't do these in Ringer 107.

[B]

But all the.

[A]

All the 10 point, 13 point teases hit, right. Basically the Charger. Unless you had the Chargers in one of them. Any other version of any game that you wanted to tease.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Even the Eagles. The Eagles was. It ended at minus five and a half, 10 point tees which I did. Brought it to plus four and a half and it covered.

[B]

They lost this extra point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Big. Very nice.

[A]

All right. So Saturday night is Seahawks 49ers. I had trouble with this one. I wanted to go lower. And then I was starting to think about where they would have to get it to to make people bet on the 49ers. The nobody believes in us team. Two weeks in a row and it's in Seattle. And Seattle's had the week off. I have Seahawks minus seven.

[B]

Okay. I had Seahawks minus six. I thought that was division rivalry. They'll chuck a point their way. It's seven and a half. So you get that.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

And you love Seattle.

[A]

I'm just telling you now they'll be in a parlier. A tease for me. Really? Yeah. I thought they should have won the last time they played by 25 points. That 13 to three game that should have been like 30 to three. Darnold wasn't good enough. This is the perfect team if they can get by. They have three playoff games with Darnold potentially. Right. So you get through this game where you're not playing a team that has a really good defense. Then next round would be Rams versus Bears. Potentially they could play the Bears would run of a good defense either. Although they did stop the run in the second half. They might be able to get to the super bowl without ever seeing Darnold like under distress in any way. Right.

[B]

If you could guarantee me there's not going to be rust on this Seattle team. Yeah. Having awful week. I would love them. I would love it because I. The Denver, San Francisco's lock has to run out.

[A]

All right. So then Sunday we can't get.

[B]

According to the times haven't been announced. But the days are right. Bills, Broncos and 49ers. Seahawks.

[A]

Yeah. Sunday we can't Guess the Pats game. But we do have good news. We're. I'm going to do another podcast tomorrow on Monday night, and you're just gonna be the top of it. We're gonna film 25 minutes at the top. That's gonna be on my pod. I have another guest after. So we're gonna guess the line for that. Talk about the Steelers.

[B]

Texans, no makeup again. Let me know now. Don't.

[A]

We can. We're just going au natural.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

All right. Yeah. Like John Mulaney covered in makeup West. Yeah. Some of the other podcasts that are coming in at. Like. We have a bunch of ringer podcasts coming tomorrow that will also be available on Spotify as well on video.

[B]

But no makeup.

[A]

Yeah. Some of the people we have will wear makeup. I'm trying to set the tone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just. Just be you. I love it. Don't worry. Don't worry about what you look like in 4k and people counting your whiskers. So we can't guess Pats, but we can guess Rams. Bears.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I. I had two lines that are within a half point of each other. And I went back and forth and I went back and forth and went back and forth. This game's in Chicago. You know the Bears are going to be losing at halftime. Rams -2 and a half is my guess. All right.

[B]

I said four. I was like, Vegas, the books, Fandel's. I'm going to fall for this. It's three and a half. So I was a little high, but I was closer.

[A]

Oh, so you. You won Seriously? Two. One for the week.

[B]

Two to one. So you could tie.

[A]

I could tie tomorrow.

[B]

Big, big day to check in if you want.

[A]

Wait a second. So Packers, Bears. Packers were one and a half. Rams two points more in Chicago after a game that Chicago looked awesome and felt like there's some mojo going now. That's weird.

[B]

See, I looked at that. They were ten and a half at Carolina and. Right. Obviously they didn't cover that. They didn't come close to covering that. But I think they just took a touchdown off of that and said let's. Let's see what the Rams could do.

[A]

I think that. Don't you think that ends at three?

[B]

Yeah. I mean the Rams are the perfect team to go up 25 points on the Bears and blow it in the fourth quarter.

[A]

Perfect outdoors night game. Something goofy happening. Caleb. It's funny. Caleb and Drake May are the same where I'm not really sure what to expect from them for the first hour and a Half of the game. Cause they're young. But you also feel like they're never out of any game and that at any point they could just make an unbelievable play. Right. Like that play that May made to Hunter Henry was similar to the Caleb play on that fourth and eight. Like the Caleb throw was crazier and he ended up up in the air after he threw it. But it was same kind of like they just saw it. The throw had to be perfect. You have to have like a fucking great arm. You have to be able to throw on the move and. And those guys are two of the best at it.

[B]

Yeah. Caleb did the Jordan Jumpman thing too, right? Yeah, that was no accident.

[A]

Yeah. I think this will be when you think like Mahomes goes down, Burrow doesn't make the playoffs. Like everyone's already talked about this. But it does feel like a little bit of a changing the guard. Even though those guys aren't that old. It does feel like there's a new generation. May and Caleb. There's something happening. And then maybe Stroud tomorrow, if he can have a good game against Pittsburgh.

[B]

That was a great class and yeah, it paid dividends. And after Daniels last year, yeah, we watched so many bad quarterbacks. That 1pm slot from weeks one through 18.

[A]

We're going to have Mendoza and a bender and Vegas, maybe he'll be the next one. Goes to Vegas gets completely corrupted within five minutes. I am in not only in the fantasy league with you, but I'm in this league that I've been in with my high school buddies and their college.

[B]

Buddies since 90 playoff counts.

[A]

Goes all the way through. Get to protect up to six guys on your fantasy team. And then we have a draft and I had the first pick in the draft because I won and I protected Drake, May and Parker Washington and Jake. I didn't really have good keepers, but I had the first pick. So I took Puka and then I took Puka over Josh Allen. And my thought was like, I have Parker Washington. I think the Jags are going to beat the Bills. I'm hoping Trevor Lawrence is going to be there when it comes. There's four teams in the playoff draft. So 1, 2, 3, 4. I have five. Like I'm really hoping Trevor Lawrence is there at five. Trevor Lawrence is there at five. Now I take him. Then I got ETN in the ninth. So now I have three Jags. I have Drake, May I have it all set up and I had 195 points with all of my guys today. But I lost like, six of them. And I'm probably going to lose to our friend Steve, who still has Allen, Darnold and Stafford.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[A]

And Cook and Harvey and Kenneth Walker and Diggs. But this is. This league's great. I don't know why people don't do this idea where we. It's just more fantasy. I get five more weeks, I guess. So. Why does fantasy have to end after 16 weeks? I'm going 22.

[B]

I should end after three weeks. To be honest with you, I don't know. Yeah, no, that's pretty cool. You know what's ironic about this, though? Remember when we did the ringer draft? You hated the Jaguars. Like, I'm not drafting a Jaguar.

[A]

And then I hated Trevor Lawrence. And now he's rekindled my hatred for him because he let me down.

[B]

Today. You made that proclamation. You're like, he's going to be my most hated player in the league if he loses this game.

[A]

Yeah, I saw there was an onion thing today about. Or this week about. Guy spends 3,000 hours on his fantasy team this year, wins $30 for second place. And I was like that.

[B]

It's close to exactly it.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, so we're gonna do. We always do Parent Corner, which is. How long have you been doing Parent Corner? I can't remember. When did we start that?

[B]

Before we even had kids. Which people thought it was weird at the time. No, I mean, I guess it's probably more than a decade, right?

[A]

At least. Well, at one point, my young son was the star of Parent Corner. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For like, three, four years in a row. Just was killing it. And now.

[B]

Now he's untouchable.

[A]

Well, now he's 18. He's like, I will kill you in your sleep if you do any sort of. Sort of paracorder about me. Do not mention my girlfriend. I will put you in a home on a moment's notice. He's just really, really terrified.

[B]

A dozen years ago, you were talking about how he did all the finishing moves on his pillow and everything. And then he's like, you know what, Pops? I'm gonna do those for real on you if you mention me.

[A]

When he was a kid, we would do the once about when he would have the. He would have the diaper, and he would try to do the stink face on my wife when he had a gross diaper when he was, like, two. Now he's like, he.

[B]

Does he still do that now?

[A]

He doesn't do that now. He's like, leave me out of Parent Corner. He's A responsible kid. He's going to college next year. He's got a car, he's got a girlfriend. He's a nice kid. Doesn't want to be in parent corner anymore. But you have, fortunately for us younger kids, that can still be in parent corner. So you go first.

[B]

I have a 12 year old. I have a junior in high school and a junior in college. As you do well. So about an hour ago, my son Harrison snagged a fly ball to end the game. And the South Bay Blue defeated OC Crush to win another fake gold ring. So we'll take it. I think they're coming.

[A]

Nice. Congrats.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I'm watching that on.

[A]

Your phone or during the podcast.

[B]

Yeah, no, no, no, that was done. That was Golden Globes. That was Patriots, and it was South Bay Blue watching that. But my other son went to. Goes to Oregon, big game, came up against Indiana. And as he left for school, you know, like, went to drive back up to Oregon. Last week, like, I grabbed the shoulders and I said, dude, bring us back a championship. And then, you know, he informed me that he doesn't play for the team, he just watches on tv.

[A]

That's what you wanted in a root for a championship?

[B]

Yeah, so. But, you know, I said to him, I was like, look, if they beat Indiana, we'll figure something out, like. Cause you have to send the kid, right? Like, if the kid. If they. If they make the championship. So now they're losing by like 700 points in the third quarter. And I text him and I figured for sure he would think this is a joke. I was like, this is such a bummer. I got two tickets on the 50 yard line, like 20 yards up for you and Cookie. I had you at the Fontainebleau and I got. Somehow there's a jet going there and I was able to get you on there. And he was like, son of a bit. He's like so upset. I was like, now what do I do here? Do I tell him I'm joking around or let him think I'm father of the year or decade or a century or do. But there's a risk in it too, because if Oregon comes back, I have to now come through on this. So now I'm looking at the Oregon live line. I'm like, all right, I can get 70 to 1. So if I put $500 on Oregon, I'll get 35 grand and I'll be covered for this thing that I promised him. Let me just tell him I was kidding and said I Told him I was kidding.

[A]

How'd that go?

[B]

Not.

[A]

Not very good.

[B]

So now I'm like the worst father. I went from best to worse. But anyway, don't. Don't promise things. Don't joke with your kids, I think is the moral.

[A]

Does your wife still cry when he goes back to college?

[B]

I think she goes in a different room and cries. She knows not to do it in front of me because I'm.

[A]

Oh, she like sneak cries.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But she was the one who said, go away. She's like, you have to go away. Like, he could have gone local. Plenty of, you know, Cal schools, plenty.

[A]

Of California, like, drive away.

[B]

She's like, you have to go. You have to live your life. You have to see what it's like to be away and regretted it. Like, I don't think he was the. The asphalt was kicking back when he drove away and that she was upset.

[A]

My parent corner is about my mom, who I needed my mom. I. I had a birthday party, surprise birthday party for my wife that ironically. Your wife was. That's right. Not a lot of people, but had to get my wife out of my house because we had to set up the house and her friends wanted to do this mafia theme and they wanted to dress up. It was like a Mob wives theme. And they were all dressing like Gumars and all. Your wife did a very good Goodfellas, by the way.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

She was. I think had been practicing.

[B]

She had a great time.

[A]

Yeah. But I had to get my wife out of the house. Five o' clock on Friday. So we had to go to my mom's. I had to get my mom involved. So I came up with this whole thing about my friend Dave is one of the producers on Jury Duty. And it was like, we're gonna. It's gonna. Jury Duty, season two premiere. And it's a mafia theme. So we have to dress up like we're mafia people. And we're going. And we gotta bring my mom. Cause she's 100% Italian. So we're gonna bring my. We have to go to my mom's house, we'll have a glass of wine with her, then we'll drive back. And it's at Paramount. And my wife just falls for a hook, line and sinker. I have a couple of my friends texting us, like, are you going? You going this week? I heard it's going to be really fun. So now the whole day she's. She's dressing, getting what she's going to wear her outfit, all that. She goes to buy something on Friday, stops at my mom's house on the way home. And it's like two o'. Clock. And my mom, who, like anytime anyone comes over, she's just read it. The wine comes out. Oh, So I notice. I check on life. 360. And it's like 2:35. And my wife is at my mom's. And I'm like, oh no. Because this is a surprise party. A lot of boozing. You definitely don't want to start early.

[B]

Everyone's arriving. What time?

[A]

6:30.

[B]

Okay, you got a couple.

[A]

So I FaceTime my wife, she doesn't answer. I call my mom, she's like, oh yeah, we're here. We just having some wine. And I'm like. So I text my mom. I'm like, what are you doing? You're supposed to be like the decoy. Like, you're right. So finally get her out. She comes back, we end up we're on time. We go, five o', clock, go to my mom's. My mom is nervous she's gonna screw it up. Come back, pretend that I forgot my key. Cause I used my phone for my car. We gotta stop by the house to get my key. We go in, surprise. It works. How long do you think my mom stayed?

[B]

Oh, I was gonna ask you this, but I thought it would sound sensitive.

[A]

So it's like. It's like 14 of my wife's friends. My mom's already had, you know, we had like a glass of wine. All these people. There's gonna be food, whole thing. How long did she stay over? Under. I'll give you over, under 29.5 minutes.

[B]

I'm gonna say she's still there. No, I'm gonna. Well, I mean, the way you're phrasing this, it has to be over the wait, right?

[A]

I mean, nine minutes. Oh, wow. Hugs, everybody says. And then she's like, I gotta go. And she's calling an Uber. Are you kidding? Wow. And I'm like, why aren't you gonna stay? We're having food. No, no, no. She said, no, no, no, you guys. And does the you guys thing and is gone. And it was just like, what? Our parents just get weird?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like there's some sort. I don't know what the year is, but it's definitely going to happen to us. Right?

[B]

Well, all right.

[A]

Let me hope we're still on Netflix at that point.

[B]

Yeah, I think we will be. Let me defend her here though. You just called her and told her, don't forget you're a Decoy. Just be a decoy.

[A]

No, I wanted her to come, though.

[B]

Get out of my house. Decoy. I don't know. It's a little bit.

[A]

No, I don't know. She said the whole week she kept thinking she was going to screw it up, but.

[B]

Have you talked to her about her since? Or you just didn't find it?

[A]

Well, I texted tonight because I told her about the Golden Globes thing, which she knew was on, and she said I didn't watch. I refused to watch cbs. Maybe I'll see it online. CBS is canceled in my house. She's at that age.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She hates Romo. She's one of the people that hates Romo for no reason.

[A]

She might not have liked the Romo Nance combo, but anyway. So that's it. Our parents are going to. I'm sure you have 20 stories about it.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I just can't figure them out anymore. It's like when they were talking about the COVID 3 defense, the Panthers, when it was like, are they going to blitz? Are they going to go back and Stafford has to read. That's how I feel about my mom all the time. Right. Is she blitzing? Is she going back and cover three? Like, what is she gonna do? I just can't get a handle on it. That's good.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, that's. Listen, everyone's approaching 80. I think you just start to. You just wander a little. My father's big thing is dry runs. So if there's a party in, like, March and he's. He's like, what's the address? He'll go there, like, tomorrow and, like, dry. Even if it's an hour, just to get the.

[A]

Like, he's like a White House bodyguard.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Assassination act.

[B]

I scoped it out. It's like, all right, you're not a scout on Jimmy Kimmel Live. You're just scouting locations for hidden camera.

[A]

Yeah, I can't wait for us to get this nuts. I feel like we're still going to be gambling on football. I don't know what else is going to happen.

[B]

Listen, you're wearing a shirt in a sauna and you swore off pizza.

[A]

You're there wearing a hoodie on Netflix. First ever Netflix pod. So every Sunday night, we're going to be live during football season. And then after that, you go away. You always come back on my pod. You're still in the ringer gambling show. And then I'm going to keep going on Sunday nights live here. And if you want to See more of Sal. You can see him on the Ringer gambling podcast, which how'd we do on the show this week? Like okay, half.

[B]

We did good on the pregame show. We had one Saturday and Sunday. We have one next Saturday and Sunday. I did all right. Puka Nakua, by the way. I don't even think we mentioned them that much except for getting hit by. I mean it it's a freebie touchdown and then you just wait for the second one. I got plus 600 on two touchdowns and Booty your guy. Booty is my favorite Patriot of all time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Plus 240 on 50 plus yards. I don't know if you saw he penned like this article about, you know, how he was a gambler. He mentions fanduel and everything. I was like, great, this is one of us. And he's going to be on the Ringer pregame show with us like three years the he.

[A]

One of the things I liked about that article was he talked about for a long time about how special Drake May was.

[B]

He did.

[A]

And I read all content where people talk about how special Drake May is. Hopefully he can bounce back. Ruined it next week. All right, that's it. First Netflix podcast in the book. A bunch of Ringer podcasts coming on here tomorrow along with some other ones. But I will be back with you tomorrow night right after. We're not going live tomorrow night, but the next podcast you'll see with us. We'll be talking about Steelers, Texans. What's your final prediction for that one?

[B]

Steelers win the game. More nonsense from the Ayahuasca God. One more week of him.

[A]

That's it. I think you're probably right on that. Thanks to Gahao. Thanks to Jack Wilson. Thanks to Eduardo. Thanks to Chris. Yeah, thanks to everybody at Netflix who wanted to have us bring our video over here. It's been a true pleasure. Good to see you, Sal. Good job by you. Good job.

[B]

Good job by you, buddy.

[A]

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