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The Best College QBs With Todd McShay. Plus, the Irresistible Jags, the Resistible Steelers, and NFL Week 4 Picks With Joe House
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Good to see you, man. How we doing?
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How are we feeling about football season so far? College football seems like a B minus. NFL is like a B plus.
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I think it's going to go to B plus for college football this weekend, but.
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Oh, good.
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Yeah, it's a big weekend. We've got, obviously we've got Penn State and Oregon. We've got Georgia and Alabama. We've got lsu, Ole Miss. So there's. There's like nine games with ranked teams that are. It's a pretty wild slate, but it's been a frustrating year, man. It's like Taxi Cab Confessions for me coming on with you. I've been, like, tiptoeing around it on my show because I've tried to be careful. And there's some young quarterbacks that I think are playing at a really high level. The veterans who I was, I came into the year as, like, screaming at everybody. This is the golden age of quarterbacks, and we've got all these. Last year's class was subpar. This could be closer to two years ago in 2024, when we had six drafted in the top 12.
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Yeah.
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And then the season starts and it's like, nuss Meyer, struggling Club Nick's regressed. Arch is not who we thought he was. Sellers gets injured, and it's kind of up and down. So it's been a little frustrating. So I'm here to talk about it with you.
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All right, let's go, rapid Fire, because I went back and I found your newsletter when you basically did, like, your top 15 heading into the season for, like, a mini mock draft. Right. You club Nick first in the mock draft at Clemson. They're 1 and 3. There's, like, there's possible, like, are we sure he's going to finish the season as. As the starter kind of stuff happening, like. Yeah, I mean, we've seen this before. Sanders was one at one point last year on some of the boards, and he fell to the fifth round. But were you shocked that it. It turned out this badly, this fast?
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Yes. Yes. And I'm, like, here to freely admit it. I spent some time, like, at the Manning passing academy this summer, kind of, you know, just talking to people and getting to know who he is as a guy. And he's everything you stand for and a leader and just a great human being and attacks the process. And we saw last year, because the year back in 20, 20, 23, he was. He was kind of disappointing.
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Yeah.
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And then last year, as the season progressed, like, he started to carry Clemson as they got on that run at that late in the year, they obviously got to the championship game, won that, got to the playoff. Even in the loss to Texas, he did some really good things. And I remember sitting there in Thibodeau, Louisiana, with the general manager and being, you know, and he hasn't, like, he didn't quite dive into the quarterbacks yet. And I'm like, he's not there yet talking about Club Nick, but I think he's. He's ready to take that next step. And so far it's Been really disappointing. He lost his top receiver in the first game, like first quarter of the first game against lsu. Antonio Williams. Williams comes back this past week and he just, he doesn't look comfortable in the pocket. He doesn't look comfortable with his reads. He's panicky. It's not at all what I expected. And it's disappointing for Clemson fans, obviously. It's disappointing for NFL general managers who thought, like me, he could take that next step. And so you look around the landscape, right. And not to shift gears, the thing I'm most shocked about because I didn't have him on my preseason rankings. So I'm not sure if you'd even bring him up. Dante Moore from Oregon is the best passer of the football in all of college football. He's, he's an, he's, he's what the NFL is looking for. And the problem with Dante was he came out and he wasn't like great in the elite 11 stuff and all of that. He went to UCLA and that thing was a mess. And then he started five games transfers last year. We don't hear about him. Reports out of Eugene this summer, like he's in a quarterback battle, has not established himself. And then he comes into the season and you got it. And the reason I've been slow to bring him up and I finally talked about what I saw on tape on just the show yesterday. Yeah, the reason I've been slow is like I have a responsibility, right? And I talk to general managers and what I don't like is head coaches calling me in the college football and saying, well, you got my guy in the first round and he's not ready yet. So I'm really careful with these young quarterbacks especially we've seen that from Trent Richardson to Trubisky to Mark Sanchez, like the 13 starts and inexperienced guys, it's not working. And so I don't want to like jump, you know, jump in headfirst and be like, I'm all in on this guy. But I'm all in on this guy.
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Wow. Okay.
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Montana State, Oklahoma State, Northwestern, Oregon State. None of them are good. None of them. And so I'm saying this before Penn State this week at a white out night game, Happy Valley, all of it. And it could, you know, it may not go perfectly, but when you see it and you know it like, it's just there his ability to drive the ball down the field, he reminds. But he's just a smooth criminal throwing the ball. He's got some, some parts of like Jordan Love he's got some, some aspects of, of like C.J. stroud at his best. He's got some Baker Mayfield to him. Catchable ball, driving it down the field, using his eyes to see the whole thing and manipulate defenders. He's just the best pure passer in the country. And I can now say a world where he's.
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Could you see a world where he's the number one pick next April?
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I absolutely could. But I hope he's not. I hope he's not in the 2026 draft for him, not for Oregon. Even though obviously Will Stein has done a tremendous. I mean, Will Stein came in there kind of a relative unknown as the offensive coordinator at Oregon.
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Yeah.
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He had. He. Look what Bo Nix did under him. Remember, Bo Nix was kind of a laughingstock in NFL scouting circles at Auburn.
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Well, now it's circling back. I don't know if he's.
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I hear you, but he's the 12th overall pick, played really well his rookie year. So I'm just saying. But, but what he, what Will Stein got and then what he developed in him into is a 12th overall pick. Then he gets Dylan Gabriel, who's not nearly as talented as Bo Nixon. Not nearly as talented is Dante Moore and he's a third round pick and won the starting job. Pickets out Shador's on the sideline watching during practice. So. So another year with Will Stein I think would be the best thing for Dante Moore. But if you're asking me right now, based off of a tiny sample size and 4, 4 starts at Oregon, I think he's tracking to be the number one overall pick if things continue to play out. Yeah. So that's why I wanted to jump, jump the gun here and get that in there.
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Well, the four you had before the season. And I love, I love these lists. Cause it just shows you like we're. You're trying to. Not you, just everybody. We're trying to predict kids that are 19, 20, 21, 22. Right. And who, who the fuck knows what's happening with them off the field? They might have like have some girlfriend break up with them. They might have some, some roommate they don't like. You just don't know. It's like all the variables in place. But you had Klubnick first, you have Nussmeier fourth, you had Sellers sixth, New Mendoza 15th. And then Penn State quarterback hours not in there. Mattia, who people have gotten excited about this season? The Baylor quarterback, Carson Beck. We got to talk about the Beckasance.
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Yep.
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And then Dante Moore and Then we didn't mention Arch Manning, who got the most attention of everybody before the year. But now, I mean, there's no. I mean, you didn't think he was coming out to begin with. You were pretty adamant, like, he is not coming out, this will not happen. But now there's no way he's coming out anyway, right?
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Yeah. I tried to warn everyone starting back in May, you know, and I've had a great deal of respect and a relationship with the Mannings, and I can absolutely separate, you know, business from, from friendship. And even Archer at his best on tape last year just wasn't ready.
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Yeah.
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And there were some things, some warning signs that you saw on tape.
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Right.
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And Sarkeesian, there's a reason that the Mannings chose Steve Sarkeesian. Right. In Texas, because he can kind of mask things and develop quarterbacks better than the vast majority of people in college football.
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You think that's a huge reason why they picked them?
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I think the developmental aspect of it and Texas's resources and everything that the program has going for him. But I'd be lying to you if I told you I thought we'd see this. I mean, from the mechanics to the lack of certainty and decisiveness as a thrower to just the flat out misses. He's got a long way to go and I'm not saying he can't. And we saw Jaden Daniels was a third, fourth round prospect going into his final year at lsu. He was considered like a fifth, sixth, seventh round guy when he came to lsu. So Cam Ward was a fifth rounder. If you pulled NFL scouts like Pete Thamble does for game day when he pulls NFL scouts for, you know, Cam Ward was a, was a fourth, fifth coming into last year. He's the number one overall pick.
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Even September, there was no chance. He was not on anybody's radar to go first.
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No.
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You know what? I think a big piece of this is because I was watching, I watched that entire first game Arch Mania had. He was, you just couldn't have been more impressive. And you think about the hype that comes in. I was trying to think, is there another sport that we have where there's more pressure on somebody who's 19, 20, 21 years old, maybe, I mean, you.
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You would know better, but maybe the NBA, when a guy comes out of.
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High school, the thing with the NBA is they're even if they come in after one year and they're 19, they're always going to a bad team. They're not in a situation where there's like spotlight expectations, title chances at stake, any of that stuff. They're. You kind of come in and it's like a bonus if they're good in the first couple years. Like Anthony Edwards, when he went to Minnesota, nobody remembers, like, what team he was on that first year. It's like, oh, he might be good. This is great. You have a situation, like, some of these guys that come in where not only is. Are they being discussed in, like, the best possible ceiling of whatever could happen when they haven't even done anything yet, but then you also have like, these giant. Giant games, all the discourse about it. You're going to a Stadium with 80,000 people. And I just feel like when it craters, it feels like it would crater the most in college football for qb.
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Our arch is an economy right now in Austin. Like, yeah, when you. I can't remember a guy who hasn't been a true starter coming into a year where it was like, Heisman favorite, like, for, like, FanDuel, you know, like, these are. These are not places that lose money. Number one overall pick by a lot of people who didn't kind of weren't in the know, but. But a lot of people who are highly respected in this space.
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Meanwhile, you didn't even think he was coming out.
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No. No. What about the Manning history and the Manning's devotion to process and development and Eli going back for his fifth year and Peyton going back for his final year at Tennessee? Like, what about that told anybody that he would be coming out after this year? But it was a perfect storm. And even talking to people in a circle, right, like that weighs on a young man, all of that attention. He can't go to the convenience store and grab a bottle of water and a candy bar without people filming him and taking pictures. So you're thrust into all of that. And by the way, you may not be quite as talented as some people thought, and your mechanics and the way you trust, it's not there yet. So it's been. And Texas coming off the College Football Playoff, they're talking like, oh, well, that was. That was cute with Quinn Ewers last year, but. But now we got our guy. National championship in the state of Texas. Like, I can't imagine more. And about the back of his jersey says Manning.
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Well, how about first game, Ohio State on the road, 80,000.
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Matt.
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Patricia, right? Yeah. In a place outside of Michigan, nobody goes and wins. Like, it's just. It couldn't have been a harder setup for a young man to walk into.
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All right, so you had Nussmeier fourth. And he brings a lot of stuff to the table that I personally like that I feel like at some point I'm going to translate that. There's some leadership charisma stuff with him that I always overvalue when I just kind of float into college football and I'm like, oh, that guy seems like. But it's been disappointing for him too. So what's going on with him?
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It has been so far. Of all the guys who have struggled, I'm still hopeful with, with Nuss Meyer that he's going to kind of start to put it together. He's got some new faces around him. He's got four new offensive linemen as you know. You know their best one was drafted by the Patriots, Will Campbell.
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So by the way, I've, I've enjoyed it. I've enjoyed the Will Campbell error. It's a little bit of a bully.
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That was a fun five month, you and I going back and forth and just watching your whole mindset change on that.
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Listen, I got, I didn't decided not to get freaked out by somebody's arms being a half inch shorter than they should be. Really think about a half inch or.
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An inch or an inch and a.
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Half or whatever it is. I just decided not to freak out anyway. Interrupted.
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Yeah, no, no, I. Nussmeyer plays the game neck up better than any, any other quarterback in the country. Okay. What made Nussmeyer so enticing and intriguing last year was his aggressive style and like, but it came with, you know, the, it came with some of the mistakes and some of the like the critical moments or he was, he was trusting it too much or overly aggressive. And so I've now seen him kind of overcorrect where it seems like it's very, it's very clear. LSU now has a defense. They didn't have one last year. LSU has a semblance of a run game, although not great, but they didn't have it all a running. They had one of the worst running games of a Power 5 school and or Power 4 school in all of college football last year. So he, he has been trained by, by Brian Kelly and that staff that hey, you don't have to carry this team like you did last year. And so he's trying to play within the like the construct of the, of the team. And I think it's leading to a little bit more like hesitation and not as like John Mattier. I don't know if you've watched him at all from Oklahoma.
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Let's Talk about him, because he. He seems like another one who's gaining steam. He's a.
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He's a lunatic.
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Yeah.
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And I know he's got the hand injury, and so now it's a setback and he could be out three, four weeks, but I suspect he'll come back and it'll be right back at it. I mean, he's. He's a different cat. You talk about, like, the work ethic and the competitiveness. I remember there's this play against Texas Tech last year. I'm watching Washington State before he Transferred. Texas Tech, fourth quarter, up like 34 to 17. Midway through the fourth quarter, pick up a first down. Let's run out this clock. Let's get out of here.
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Right?
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He picks up the first down and goes bolting towards this left sideline. Gets tracked down, cuts and like. And at that point, it's like, come on, John, just step out of bounds, right?
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Yeah.
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Cuts back inside, takes off. He runs like a 4 or 5. He looks like a fullback. I met him in person. I'm like, no, where's John? Like this, like, the Mannings. The Mannings brought in, like, a guy fullback to catch, catch some outlets. He's got these huge legs, but he cuts back in, running like a 448-450-45-0, and goes darting down towards the end zone. Two defenders come converge on him. And I'm watching it, like, sitting here in my office with my remote, and I'm like, just go down. Just slide. And he. He looks up these two defensive backs and starts stiff arming them, both of them. And I was like, oh, this guy's built different. He's just a competitive lunatic.
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So who's the. Who's the comparison to him? Because that seems like an unusual NFL quarterback.
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I think he's a faster Baker Mayfield. He's got a good arm, but Baker's got a stronger arm. But he plays with that urgency and that excitement and that, like, just like. There's no throw. He's not. There's no throw that he's afraid to attempt.
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Yeah.
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So it does get him into trouble a little bit, like Nuss Meyer a year ago. But he does so many things in terms of driving the ball down the field and showing up in clutch moments. I like if he comes back and plays the way he was playing prior and he bet on himself, it was like Flacco that year with the super bowl run. Yeah, totally bet on himself. He could have gone to Wisconsin. He could have gone to, like, he had all these different offers. He looked at Oklahoma and said, I got to show that this style works in the SEC and I got to prove it. And by the way, outside of maybe Florida, I don't know. There's a team in the country that has a tougher schedule. They play five ranked opponents to finish out the year and that's after Texas and that's after they've already played Michigan and Auburn. So he bet on himself and so far he's, he's shown it. And if he comes back and plays at the same clip that he was playing, I think Mattier is going to be a first round draft pick.
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High first down High first round, mid first round or lower first.
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I could see more like a Jackson dart range, you know, like mid late. You know, I think, I think there, there will be some intrigue that he's not the tallest guy. He does. He's. His mechanics are kind of all over the place. So he leaves four or five throws on the field.
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The teams fall in love with the guy they fall in love with the person they fall in love with the.
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Interviews and what he can be if we, if we drill in some of the footwork stuff and all of that. Like.
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Yeah, tell me about Sellers and Mendoza because you had sellers 6 and Mendoza 15 before the year. Mendoza's had a little climb, right?
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He has, he's, he's played really well. Let's, let's start with Sellers. I think a lot like Dante Moore, but even more emphasis for me, the same with more Sellers and Mendoza. They can all be eligible. They can all come back and be in that 2027 draft. Okay.
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Yeah.
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Sellers is the furthest away, development wise. I've already said Nussmeyer's the best in terms of neck up. Dante Moore is the best pure passer in all of college football.
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Is that a rating for you, neck up? Do you have like a. I think.
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It'S going to have to be from now on.
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I like my neck up rankings. I don't know.
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He's number one. He's number one neck up in the neck up board. But, but Sellers is the most physically gifted of all of them. He does things like athletically and then throws he makes that are just like very few people can do that. But like we said some of the same stuff about Anthony Richardson, right?
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Oh boy. Too soon?
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No, I, I know, I know, but I just, I'm very hopeful that whether it's at South Carolina or if you transfer somewhere, whatever it is, that Sellers comes back for another year. So he had the injury and kind of a setback for just a minute. But this is such a weird sport.
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By the way, that you, you've done this now like three times. There's just in the last 20 minutes where you're projecting like, you know, wherever he is, wherever he transfers next year. Like, this is just the sport we have now where we have no idea. No, no, it's. I'm just saying it's like we have no idea where this guy's going to be next year because that's just. This is Ring around the Rosie now. It's not, it is not actually like anything.
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It is. And honestly here's like just take, take away like my love for college football and like the game and the sport and all of it. Just as an NFL evaluator. What would Bo Nicks be without that transfer?
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Oh, so you're pro. I like this. You're pro. Ring around the Rosie.
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What would Cam Ward be if he didn't go from incarnate word to Washington State to Miami? What would you, what would Jaden Daniels be if he stayed at Arizona State and came out early?
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Beck. Right now.
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What about Carson Beck? So like not. It's not always the best fit and we can get to Beck in a minute. That was the right fit. Moving from Georgia to, to Miami for some of these guys, like, go be in a, in more of a pro style system. Go get a new fresh set of coaching and have put your eyes on something different. Go develop in the second place. Jaden Daniels was ready when he came in, man. Bo Nix was ready. But the ceiling, like I had a second round grade on Bo. I'm not, I'm just not the biggest fan. But, but you can't tell me he wasn't ready. Right? All these guys are coming in with 50, 60 starts, you know, and they're, they're more ready. And it goes back to the parcel stuff from years ago. You can tweak the numbers a little bit, but Parcells was on it. Like be a college graduate, be a starter for three years to have 20, have 30 starts, have a bunch of wins. So I just think it's important experience. That's why I hate sitting here on your show, which is going to more eyes and viewers, unfortunately than mine. But like, but, but seriously, like, and saying Dante Moore's the best, just for the record. Thank you. I appreciate it. And then we're loving it. But, but I hesitate and that's why I've been hesitant to come out and say this stuff. But More is the best and Sellers is the most gifted.
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I love it. Well, yeah, I trust you completely. So when you're, when you go all in on somebody, I'm just, I just follow. You did it last year. Yeah, yeah. I mean you nailed the draft last year. You're red hot right now.
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We got to keep the momentum going, right?
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I'm seeing a guy that's. That's found his home again. He can come back for another year. I don't know that he's gonna like he completed all but two passes against Illinois, right. He comes out and, and he kind of was like a little bit up and down. They were, they were trying to be vanilla and not show, show what they were doing. Frank Sinettic Signetti, I know you, you love my guy. Mensch, Steve Mensch. Like he is the great line of the, the, the rcf, the resting Signetti face. Like he's, and that's who he is. He's just kind of crusty, but he pops off. And, but Signetti wouldn't let Mendoza go to the Manning Pass Academy this summer. He wanted him there in the bubble, working the scheme. It's RPO based. It's all like quick decisions, fast eyes. And so when you get done with 30 throws in a game, maybe only 7 or 8 are like NFL style throws that you can, you start to create a catalog on. So he's going to have this high percentage and it's, the numbers are going to look great. But when you dig into him, he's 6, 5, he's 225, he's got mobility, he's got a good arm. He, he can be inconsistent. And so I want to see. As the season progresses and the schedule gets harder, but there's talent there. And I've talked to some people in the league who are like, yeah, like, I see more third round. I've talked to some people like, you know, if he, if he puts it all together, he could be first round. So to me he's kind of like top 50 right now and it's a wait and see. But, but I really liked him coming out of Cal last year and I was hopeful that he would get off to this kind of start.
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And Carson Beck, like, what, what happens with this? Like, what is the. Give me the ceiling and give me the basics.
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C
I had to, I had to quit Carson Beck for a minute.
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A
Like cigarettes?
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C
Yeah, like cigarettes. I had to like put the box down and like. And come back. Yes, like Nicorette, whatever it was. So I just, it was frustrating to watch him at Georgia because it felt like every throw the weight of the world was on him and he was overthinking and he was making his. Even on the completions, making his receivers really work and nothing felt smooth. He didn't look relaxed and playing free and easy and all that, right? And then the season ends and then it begs the question, right? And I have sources and I talk to him. It's like Georgia's got money. If Georgia really wants him back. And Gunner Stockton, their starter now who's played really well. Like, he's not setting the world on fire with physical tools. But they were like, yeah, thanks for your service. Go ahead. You can transfer to Miami. They didn't put up a fight. And then it's like, all right, now he's got. He's buying Lamborghinis, and then the Lamborghinis get stolen, and he's dating a cabin to win. And then he's. He's doing whatever he's doing to break. And all the headlines, all the noise after a frustrating year. Last year is just like, of course you went down to Miami, and of course you're doing all this social media, like, stop. So I quit him. I gave myself a few months off Beck. But then, like, two weeks before the season starts, I started getting reports that, hey, now this. This guy, like, he's. He's at home. Players love him. He's. He's there early in the morning, staying late. He's part of this grind. He's leading this grind. And he's. He loves this system. He's decisive, getting the ball out. It's kind of leaned up a little bit. He's moving around better. And I'm like, yeah, we'll see. And then that first game against Notre Dame, I was like, it's. Everything they were saying is true. He looks like he loves the game again. He's playing light and free and easy. So I've been really encouraged because you got to remember coming into last year, it was Beck as the number one prospect. I think when Thammel did that, that first one for game day, when he pulled all the scouts, he had the most votes. He was a top 10 pick. And so the talent's there. And now we're starting to see him play it at that kind of level again, which is fun to watch.
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A
It's almost like you just laid out a sports movie.
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C
Right, Right.
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A
Like, he just let everything go to his head and just lost his mind. And it's like an 80s 80s sports football movie where the. Where the guy has to, like, find himself. But he found himself in Miami, which is weird.
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C
Yeah, he just. He found himself in an alley one morning and decided he's got to peel himself up and, like, bring himself back and. Yeah. And it's the comeback story.
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A
Inspirational music for him. Yeah. All right, then. Do we need to talk about the Baylor QB or the Penn State QB or do you want to move to the NFL?
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C
I like the Baylor quarterback. I think he's maybe, like, if he continues to play at this rate and it's awesome to see. The reason I love Sawyer Robertson so much is because I was at that Manning passing academy. I didn't know much about him. He's a transfer in his cousins with Jared Stidham. Like, he's like, he's got a cool backstory, baseball player, all that. And then he comes out and we've got Sellers and Club Nick and Nuss Meyer and all these great quarterbacks that are out and he's. And they're doing okay in these like drills. It's like Friday Night Lights, you know, it's like the purest thing left in football. There's no cameras, there's no television there. There's no sponsorship. It's just guys out throwing at night and, you know, a beautiful night in Thibodeau, Louisiana and this Robertson kid, who's 6, 4 2, 25, comes out and he nails. It's like this competition, like all 12 throws or whatever it was. And he just kind of walked back, like nothing to see here. And I was like, I got to pop in this guy's tape. Then he comes out and it's like 400 yards each game. And he's keeping this Baylor teaming that's not very good in tough games. So I'm excited for him as probably a backup quarterback and all that. But Drew Aller to me is the most confounding prospect. I get like the, you know, the national list and Blessedo list, all the scouts put together, the NFL teams uses it as a resource and talk to scouts. Everyone's got a first round grade on him. It seems like, like high grades. He's big, he's competitive. I like, he's strong, he sees the field, all those things, but he's not mobile and he's slow with his feet. He doesn't win big games and he's not accurate, Bill. He like, there's some kind of visualization thing with him. Got receivers running away from him. He just, he doesn't trust his throws. And if you're not mobile and can't run around and you're not accurate, why are you a first round prospect? Yeah, I think you watch the game on Saturday night and text me and I want to, I want to get your opinion. When you watch Dante Moore in his first level up competition and mind you, just nine starts going into Happy Valley whiteout. But just watch him as a passer and then watch Drew Aller as a passer and let me know what you think.
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Okay, so neck up scale Nussmeier still winning.
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C
Yep, he is but his. His tools aren't. Aren't elite like I. I see it. He doesn't have the great arm and it doesn't have great size and all that stuff, but neck up, he's a winner.
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A
Who's the neck up scale all time winner. Is it Brady and.
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C
Well, I mean we didn't know that coming out.
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A
Oh true you. So it has to be college only.
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C
But.
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A
So if anyone you've ever evaluated who wins the neck up award.
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C
Andrew Lucky. Andrew Luck. Yes.
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A
Smart enough to retire. That. That was like he was neck up to the end. Yeah.
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C
Too smart.
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A
Why am I doing this?
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C
Too smart for the Colts.
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A
I made enough money. I'm done.
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All right.
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NFL QBs. So Sal said something on the ringer gambling show on Wednesday that I really liked about these quarterbacks.
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C
Trip, man, he's.
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A
He's always on trip. He. He had his cut the shit QBs where these QBs where you're just like cut the. Are you good or not? Like, can you just tell us one way or the other? And Trevor Lawrence is obviously the number one of that.
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C
Of course.
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A
Lot of drops for him this year. A lot of stuff that wasn't his fault. I still don't. I bet on them twice and probably going back for thirds this week inside the 10. I just. Your guards up. You're waiting for something stupid to happen. Every once in a while he'll just miss a guy completely. You're like, what just happened there? And then all of a sudden he'll run like a gazelle. He'll nail somebody in stride.
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C
Yep.
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A
And it would be fine if it was year two, but it's not. So what is year four?
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C
Year five.
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A
Now it's year five.
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C
Yeah.
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A
I think it's year. It's year four or year five. I think it's year five. So where are we? Trevor Lawrence.
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C
I don't know.
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A
Okay.
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C
I know he's not what we thought he was coming out.
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A
Okay, so you've given up on that version.
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C
And when you go through different coordinators and obviously the Urban Meyer thing was a disaster and so there was some recovery and we saw some, some glimpses and some flashes. And you thought he's going to be okay with Doug Peterson and then that.
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A
This is year five, by the way.
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C
Year five. Okay. And I like Liam Cohen. Like, I think. I think he's going to get the most of them. I think he's a. I think at his best he's a good quarterback who you can't trust to be consistent enough. And they're Going to have to be great around him. Even though usually that guy's like the game manager. He's just going to make some mistakes and miss some throws that you wouldn't expect, and he's going to create some plays and do some things. But I can't envision. Here's what I try to do sometimes with these guys. Envision a world with the quarterbacks that are in that league where they go head to head and it's some kind of shootout and the game's on the line. The fourth quarter where he out duels Mahomes or Josh Allen or Jalen. Hurts even if they can get that off. Like. And Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, when he's healthy. Like, I just don't envision that world so that maybe he gets him to a 9, 10 win season playing really well if he goes on a run. But like, now we're in the playoffs and I'm looking at a matchup between him and Burrow or him, him and Mahomes, him and even Herbert, who doesn't win in the playoffs yet. So, like, I don't know. It's just, it's. It's hard to imagine he's ever going to take that next step.
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A
Well, it seemed like he was in a good spot with Brian Thomas. And then they get Hunter. You're like, well, they got him the weapons. Thomas has been a mess this season. I. I don't know what's going on with that dude. Yeah, he's. Believe me, I've done a lot of research on it because he's on all of my fantasy teams, basically. So it's. And it's one of those things where the, The Jaguar fans are mad. It's a whole thing. And then Hunter, who they thought was going to be, you know, early 90s, Dion. It just has not been the case early. And I. That might have been too ambitious to begin with, but they gave up a lot. Like, Mason Graham's doing really well for. Right.
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C
Really well.
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A
Yeah, they traded out of that and.
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C
Now they got two first next year. Yes, yes.
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A
You could have. You could have just stayed at 6 and taken or set. I think it was. It was five, but they were like, Tyler Warren was on there, who ends up falling all the way to 14. Jason Graham was the easy pick. They're two good tackles. Like Membo, who I think has.
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C
The jets, he's been outstanding.
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A
Banks, I think has been good with the Saints. Like, there was a lot of good shit going on. And they trade everything to move up for Hunter, who Doesn't seem like he has it yet. So anyway, it might have, that might have been Lawrence's chance to have the right supporting cast. I'm not sure he has it. Yeah, that'd be the only defense I could think of for him.
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C
Yeah, it's just like there's too, there's too many excuses I feel like we've made. Like I'm right, I'm right on the ledge and I just keep, I keep wanting to walk it back, but I don't know that I'm going to get to a point where I don't want to just jump off the Lawrence ledge.
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A
No excuses for me. I'm long out. I've been out for, I've been out since last season. How do we explain CJ Stroud?
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C
I'm shocked by that. I mean the offensive line is probably how we explain it and I, it's a dumpster fire.
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A
It's, it's a top four worst offensive line in either.
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C
It's horrible. So it's hard when you have a quarterback who lives in the pocket and needs not a lot of time, but needs enough time. It's frustrating to watch because we all saw the ability. It didn't take some like super scout to figure out how talented he was. But it's hard to watch because you know, it's there. And I really like Ryan Dimiko Ryan's and I really like that organization, I think but like they can't get the offense and they in the offseason they just shipped off that offensive line like not good enough. Let's start over. Like if you were in the O line room, like basically get out of here and so but now it's like not any better, you know. And so I have to believe that that's leading to a lot of the problems. I know he misses Tank Dell a lot. You go back. I did some. I don't have the research in front of me. But if you go back, like whether it was Jackson, Smith and Jigba who had like equal or better production than, than the star first round wide receivers Olave and Garrett. Whether it was who was it? Oh was, was it in book Mecca and Buka. It might have been who is just as productive or more productive than Marvin Harrison Jr. Like he's just, he's a slot receiver guy and so I think have missing that kind of like type of guy at the, at the slot hurts him a little bit. But I, I, I really do think it's. The offensive line is at the crux of this.
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A
We don't need to talk about Kyler Murray as a cut the shit guy because he's playing after we do this. But I, I gave up on him two years ago. On the flip side of a non cut the shit guy, Herbert, who I've been probably do more dubious of them because I. It always bothered me that the nerds were always so excited about him and always like, basically rating him by his potential instead of the results, which I've talked about a million times. I think he's been incredible this year. Does he seem any different to you or is the situation different or what? Where is he right now in your eyes?
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C
He seems different.
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A
Okay. That's how I feel.
- [41:13]
C
He actually does. And if I go back to that draft, was that the Burrow Tua?
- [41:18]
A
It was tua. Yeah, it was versus Tua.
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C
And for me it was Jordan Love. I remember fighting with Kuyper. I'm like, herbert's the most talented, I'll give you that. But I also sat in a meeting at Oregon with Cristobal there, and it was like the protection they had for him. I think it was me and McDonough. And I've got to remember it was either me, McDonough and Spielman, Chris Spielman, or might have been Levy and Greasy, I can't remember. But we sat in this meeting and all of a sudden like, Justin Herbert's a star and they're, they're, they're undefeated, I think, at that time. And we're there to like, it's a showcase game and we're like the number two crew. And there was a big SEC game, you know, that Herbie and Fowler had. And so we get this game and in Oregon's kind of rolling and he comes in and like he kind of lets the offensive lineman talk for him. He sits in the back of the room.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And I've been doing that for like eight, nine years at that point. And like the quarterback comes in and he goes, you know, and you get to know him. And it always concerned me because it was kind of that like so much talent and then you blame crystal ball and like they were run first and then he gets to the NFL and it's like, I just don't know if he's got that, like, you know, that like. But like Brady's an all time prick, so is Peyton Manning. So like, like all these guys, like, you hear some of the real stories behind the scenes. It's not about the commercials and the front.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Like, they're like, they're brutal to be around, and I didn't. I just wondered if Herbert would ever be like that. And now I'm starting to see a little bit of prick in him. And it's good. And I'm. And I think Harbaugh's empowered him. And I think Harbaugh, it's not necessarily the mechanics, the footwork, the scheme for him. It's the way he, like the confidence that you can't help have, but have when you walk out of a room. And Harbaugh's crazy. Like, I have so many stories, but, like. But when you're in that foxhole with him, you'll go to war. And so I wonder if he, like, if they.
- [43:21]
A
He infected Herbert in a good way with something. Yeah.
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C
Yeah, absolutely. I'm seeing a different guy and the way he's carrying himself on, off the field, all of it. So I'm hopeful, Hopeful for him. But I still like Jordan Love a little bit more coming out. We'll see if. How that all plays out.
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A
Interesting.
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C
Yeah.
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A
So. But now who would you rather have, Herbert or Jordan Love.
- [43:40]
C
Early this season? Herbert. And it takes a lot for me to say that. Up, up. Coming into this season, I was like, it took. It took a few years, and I'm not. I'm not fighting with Kuiper anymore, but I wanted to jump into the screen and be like, hey, Mel, what's up?
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A
Now?
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C
You know?
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A
Well, you had the neck upscale. I remember it was my podcast that Trent Doher came on like 15 years ago and told the Mark Sanchez story. I forget what draft were all the QBs in that draft. And he was like, if you were going somewhere and you had your car keys on you and somebody was going to drive, you, toss them to Sanchez. And that was his way of saying.
- [44:18]
C
Like, that was Stafford's year.
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A
Was it Stafford's year? Okay.
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C
Yes. Yeah.
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A
So he made the case like, Sanchez is a car keys guy. And I was always like, that's like a different scale, I think the car keys. So you're saying Herbert was low on the car keys?
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C
Yeah.
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A
In Oregon, you wouldn't have been like, he was here in the car keys.
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C
But he was sitting in the third row of, like, the Lincoln Navigator. You know, he like, he was. He was going to sit back there, but super talented, you know, Always. Yeah.
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A
I got to say, I bet against them in week one and week three, and he just was just breaking hearts if you had the other side. But it got to the point, especially in the Denver game, where I started to feel like he was going to come back and make, make plays. That play he made. Denver was killing him that whole game. I mean, I think they had pressures. Yeah, they were all over him. That last touchdown he had was just an. An amazing play. I thought that was the. Probably the best play of the season.
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C
And I never questioned his toughness like he'll have. He takes hits and keeps coming back. So.
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A
No, the other one we should talk about, who I guess isn't a cut the shit guy anymore because he's had real playoff success. But I, you know, I thought Goff was so good on Monday night. I don't know how bad Baltimore's defense is, but even that, like that backbreaker throw he had to st. Brown on 4th and 2, it was fucking perfect. And he just, he was playing with so much confidence. I was really impressed.
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C
And I love seeing him do it without Ben Johnson because I think a lot of people, and myself included, question like, how much is this Is kind of manufactured. It fits perfectly. He's a play action guy. The run sets, all those things. And to see him doing it now and then they, you know, the fir. It was the first game right, where they came out and they struggled. They looked awful. Yeah.
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A
Green Bay.
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C
Green Bay.
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A
Yes.
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C
And then to see, like, yeah, that was just a. That was a blip. Like, we're.
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A
We're.
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C
We're back to what we are. I, like, I really liked him in that draft and I had him as the first. First quarterback and. But I always kind of thought the ceiling was lower with him and to see where he is in. And then when a. When a guy like McVeigh, who, who I think we all have a ton of respect for, kind of just discards him after having success and going to the super bowl, it's like, something's up here, you know?
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A
Yeah.
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C
And so to see him make that move and to pick himself up and to have the success he's had, I'm. I just pull for golf and I'm excited that he's doing what he's doing, but he is significantly better now than he was as a prospect coming out. And he was in his early, you know, year or two.
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A
Yeah, it's funny, I fell prey to the. Their offensive line isn't the same. You can't lose coordinators like that. When I was thinking about them as a playoff team, how good were they going to be? Completely missed it. I'm usually good at this specific stupid.
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C
Thing because it's a very stupid domain.
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A
Yeah, it's my stupid niche, but, like, I totally miss the them getting pissed off that everybody's like, yeah, with Ben Johnson out, your offense isn't going to be good anymore. I think that's like a real fuel for them. I think they really took it personally in the off season and Dan Campbell specifically, who. That should have been easy to guess, but.
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C
Right.
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A
You could see it in Monday night with the way they played, how they finished the game, the stuff they said after. I just think they were like, fuck this. Like it's. Yeah, Ben Johnson was a good coordinator but we're really good. It wasn't about our offensive coordinator. Fuck off.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And that's like a passion project for all of them.
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C
Yeah. For Campbell like Campbell getting involved in it like it's, it's pretty wild to see.
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A
Yeah. Because they take after him and his mentality, his greatest play calls were. But like some of those, the 4th and 2 is like not an easy call there at midfield with no a minute 50 left. You knew they were going to go for it but it wasn't like a no brainer.
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C
No, he's, he's, he's wild, he's crazy but like it works the vast majority of the time and he trusts his group and his group trusts him. It's pretty cool to watch. Like he's, I don't know how many other guys in the NFL you would if you were to kind of draft head coaches.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And with a, with an organization like he'd be on the very short list. I think truly he's.
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A
So I always rank when I do my little player rankings, I rank the coaches and I downgraded them this year because they lost their. Had them above average but not like top 10.
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C
Oh, I was worried. I was legitimately worried.
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A
But I think he's. This is a big. No, no, no, no, no. I'm, I'm really good and I, and.
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C
I know I'm getting infrastructure when Kelvin Shepard now like I said when I was, I was like, oh he's a coordinator. Like he wasn't in my first two or three years of, of evaluating players. He was like year seven or eight and I'm like now he's a quarter. He's been in the league how many years coaching. Like it's yeah, it's wild to see but it, but it's pretty cool to see too. A guy who you saw is like a 19, 20 year old kid, you know, trying to make to the NFL and now where he is and like it's, it's just, it's wild. Yeah.
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A
That is one of the Stages of getting older. Because one of the first eye opening things is when somebody's son is playing like in baseball and you're like, oh my God, Fernando Tatis Jr. What?
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C
Right, right.
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A
But when it's a grandchild, that's when you're like, just put me out. Put me in a fucking home. Yeah, I know.
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C
I'm worried that that hasn't happened yet that I'm aware of. But, but I'm, I'm worried about that. What do you think about Jackson Dart? I want to get your opinion.
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A
I, as you know, I, I eat up all the, all the off field, him, how he, how the team feels like he leads in the locker room and him in the meetings and hard worker, like he checks all those boxes, got the charisma. I thought they should have gone to him last week. I thought that was the perfect game. But I know Wilson had a big.
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B
Game against Dallas off of that.
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A
Yeah, I get it. But he, but when Wilson sucked in the first part of that game, I just like they brought Dart in, I was like, I wonder if they'll just keep him out there. And it was like they didn't have the balls to do it. This is the right time though, because they have an easy game next week. So Chargers will be hard, but we.
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C
Set the over under before the season started at week six. So it went under.
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A
Interesting.
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C
I had a fascinating conversation and one has nothing to do with the other here. I had zero to do with Jackson dart, Giants day ball. But I'll never forget. I'm in Mobile, Alabama. It's the first day, practice hasn't even started yet. And mentioned I are doing some interviews before with some general managers. And Dabel comes in and grabs me and is like, hey, I'm just getting caught up on the quarterbacks. The season just ended and coaches then get involved in the process. He's like, what do you talk me through? Who are you? And this is like a three, four minute conversation. He's like, who do you like? I've never told this full story before.
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A
Oh, great.
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C
Who do you like? What do you, what do you think? And I'm like. And I went there, I was like, you know, I don't know that Shador is the right fit for you. I, you know, Cam Ward's probably going to be the first quarterback taken. I said, if I'm being honest, the guy I want to see with you and I want you to have a chance to develop is Jackson Dart. And this Jackson Dart was kind of considered like a second rounder coming in that week of this Senior Bowl, I was like, I. I was like, you're picking at five. I'm like, so, like, it's not going to be at 5. But like. And I don't. Maybe he's there in this early second. I was like, maybe you guys have to move up for him. It was like just totally just spitballing, right? And he hadn't got. He just came off the East West Shrine Game and Shador was there, but Shador didn't play. And so he's like, all right. He's like, good to know. And he just walked away. And then we went through this whole process and then it was like, Jackson, they might like Jackson dart a little. So it was cool to see that he thought the same thing of dart. And I'll never forget watching darts like it's 161 clip reel, where the PFF ultimate, where you marry it to our tape, our game tape. And you can break it up anywhere. Throws from 10 to 20 yards, whatever you want. It's a versus pressure clip reel that I watch for all these top, top quarterbacks every year I do it. And the 161 plays for him is when I fell in love. And listen, he does not have a big time arm. And I think that's the thing that was kind of lost and all. Like, he can't drive it down the field. Like Josh Allen, like Mahomes, like some of those guys. It's. It's adequate, but he's gotta be on time. But watching him in the pocket as I'm watching Shador and Cam Ward and they're bailing and drifting and like extending and kind of lackadays. And then I watched Dart. Every play is like urgency climbing the pocket, sliding over, throwing down the field. And you know how like Josh Allen, when you watch him, it's almost like the chaos calms him down.
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A
Yeah, that's how I felt.
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C
So I'm like, he's not as tall as is Josh Allen. He's not as mobile. He certainly doesn't have the arm. And I'm hesitant to say it at the time, but I was like, screw it. You know, he reminds me so much of Josh Allen. Not the physical traits, but the way he carries himself, the way he is with pressure around him. And so I'm excited. Like, I know the team isn't very good. I know they're playing the Chargers week one and maybe they can bounce back against the Saints with. With Dart in his second, second start. But I'm excited to see what Happens here. Cause I think this is a marriage that like is perfect for both of them.
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A
You know what's funny? The Giants might not be that bad because that Chiefs game I was thinking I I wish I had talked about it more on Sunday that, that that defensive touchdown that they should have had where the guy Mahomes stripped the guy back.
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C
But yep, yep, yep.
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A
I do wonder what happens if that happened. If they get that play and they score. Combined with Wilson just you know completely in the bed. He was just awful. But that they do have a pass rush. They do have a pass rush neighbors is a problem.
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C
Yeah. And their receivers as a whole are not that like they're. They're better than what we've seen and scatter Boo.
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A
You know I don't know. I kind of like him. I wish the path he's a maniac man.
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C
I like him too.
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A
I don't I like I can see in the Chargers three and oh smoke blown up Herbert mvp. They're six six and a half point favorites on the road. Everyone's going to have them in a tease. Like to me that's it is an all time stay away. I would not bet on either team in this game and who knows with Dart the crowd will be into it right away when it happens.
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C
All right.
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A
We got to do it. Actually one more thing quick. I had I said before the year I thought Alan was the best QB in the week and people got mad at me. Why they get mad at you because of the Mahomes. Oh yeah. And I was like I'm sorry the hard Allen. Allen is the best quarterback in football and he was last year and I don't know why just because Mahomes has the three titles and he's still like if I have a fourth quarter he's still probably the guy if my life dependent I would probably take but Josh Allen week to week for a season right now the player he is. I don't see how you. You could say he's not 1A and Lamar is 1B but I would have him over Lamar.
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C
I actually would and I'd like to disagree with you. It would be more fun. I always try to you know kind of like before I try to ask myself who do you want to face the least like who's the biggest problem? And it was Mahomes for the longest time and I'm not like he'd be second on my list but if you're asking like who's the guy that like creates the most problems for me if I'm A defensive coordinator. If I'm an opposing team, it's Allen. It's the physicality, it's the mobility, it's the driving the ball down the field, the amount of field you have to cover. And look at, like, we all talk about the Chiefs and their lack of weapons and all that, but, like, are the Bills that much better?
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A
I mean, Curtis Samuel was a healthy scratch last week, you know, like.
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C
Yeah.
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A
I don't know. I think James Cook is really good. He's certainly better than anyone on the Chiefs. But from a receiver standpoint, receivers, I mean.
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C
Yes.
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A
Yeah. And I just think he's the hardest one to play to back up your point. Like, if it's third and five on the five yard line.
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C
Yeah.
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A
You have to be like, he's probably going to do a QB draw and we probably can't stop it. We're going to have to keep more people in. And now he's got sides open.
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C
Yeah.
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A
But maybe he won't.
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C
Maybe he'll wait.
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A
Maybe he'll roll around. I just think he's hard to play it. And then the other piece of that is, if you switched him with other people's situations, what would happen to that team if you put him on Kansas City right now? I feel like he'd figure it out. At least as good as Mahomes has tried to figure it out these last years. But I don't think to me Mahomes could absolutely take it back. Worthy's coming back this week. Rice comes back. I think week seven. Yeah. And there's a world where all of a sudden the Chiefs are fun and explosive, but the reality is they haven't been fun and explosive for two years.
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C
Yeah. For more than two years now.
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A
Two plus years like that. I don't know. Okay, let's talk Drake. Maybe we'll end with the Pats. We'll end with our guy Drake. I thought the Pats played really well last week. Except for the five turnovers.
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C
Right.
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A
26 first downs. They were in all the right spots. They dominated the game. I think they had a. Like, it was like 349 to 101 yards the last three quarters. I have no idea how they lost the game. It was one of the stupidest losses in recent Patriots history. But I.
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C
Security, right?
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A
Yeah. Drake does one dumb play a half, right?
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B
He does.
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C
And so. So, like, you look at his passing efficiency, he's. He's actually further along than I thought he would be as a passer.
- [57:59]
A
Yeah.
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C
Like, just I. I even remember going like that. Jets game Live last year and watching before he got the head injury, and it's like, man, he. Like the way he's carrying himself and the mobility aspect, like, he's going to be just fine. I really like this better than I thought in his rookie year. And then he has making. He has made a jump and they don't have great supporting cast around him, but it's good enough. And you're seeing that, like, he's going to keep getting. I think they're going to wind up being the most improved team in the National Football League. From what we saw week one against the Raiders to what we see in, like, weeks 10 through 17. I really.
- [58:37]
A
So I agree with you and I don't know if I'm being a homer, but I like, genuinely believe this team has the pieces to be a good team as the year goes along.
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C
Yeah, a good team. Like, good team.
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A
Not like 9 and 8. Yeah.
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C
Yeah. In the hunt at the end. But maybe they don't make it. Maybe they. They make it and they get knocked out. But. But I think this, this year's critical for May to continue kind of on this trajectory and start cutting out the. Maybe five, six plays a game that he'd like to have back. Maybe cut that down to one or two.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And like you said, one turnover. But like, start chipping away at that a little bit because the good is really good and their defense is. Is. Is significantly better than a year ago. And that, like, I just. I. I like this team, but I know what it is. But it's huge. This first year with Variable is huge that they. That they progress. And then next year I think they become. With another off season and with the draft and with a couple moves and free like, I think they could then be. Be serious and someone you have to deal with.
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A
Yeah. The being one and two after three is tough because I don't think the Raiders are very good. But the Pats just gave up a bunch of big plays. Gonzalez comes back this week, which I think people have underrated how important he is. What did I read?
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C
I didn't. I didn't actually like Breer. Albert Breer said something like there wasn't a hamstring or what's the. What's the.
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A
Oh, really?
- [60:05]
C
Yeah, there was something.
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B
Look that up.
- [60:06]
C
There was something about where he was.
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A
Beyond a hamstring or insinuating something. I don't know.
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C
I thought, yeah. Do some find that. We'll have to both find that out after that.
- [60:15]
A
Albert Breer always start in trouble. Jesus.
- [60:18]
C
But he's good, man.
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B
The.
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A
I think I could see so we're aligned. I could see like around week 10, week 11. I also think this team is going to have an upset over somebody at some point over the next four or five weeks. Cause I do think they can rush a passer, they can move the ball. Some of the offensive stats are pretty good. Like some of the advanced stats that don't really count. The multiple turnovers per game.
- [60:47]
C
Well, that's the thing when you take away that handful of plays every game. He's actually been one of the most efficient quarterbacks in the National Football League this year, which is wild.
- [60:57]
A
I just think once a game he's going to have a play where he's under siege and he tries to be a hero.
- [61:03]
C
And something Josh Allen did won a lot of.
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A
Forever.
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C
Forever until last year. Yeah, truly until last year. Last year was the first year where he actually. We're like, oh, he's protecting the football. He's not making those mistakes. So it might be three, four years down the road before he completely, like turns the corner off.
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A
Frustrating one was having booty in the corner and just not doing the little alley oop lob pass to him and it's an easy touchdown. Instead, he's trying to fire it through somebody and gets tipped. That's like three years from now. He's laughing that over, I think.
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C
I hope people understand. He is a pup. Like, he has not played a ton of ball. You compare his starts come out of North Carolina and that system he was in to like what Jaden Daniels had and what some of the these other guys have had. Bo, Nick, certainly he's. He's learning on the job, which considering the results, pretty good, you know.
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A
Well, tell the freaking Boston media that.
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C
I mean, I don't think.
- [62:01]
A
Reprehensible. I was there last week. I mean that it's like Jake Paul.
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C
Just got so spoiled. Yes. And it's always been, if it wasn't the Patriots, it was the Red Sox during our childhood. I mean, they just. They'll run people out of town if they're not careful. That's. That's the problem with people around here.
- [62:18]
A
Like Roman Anthony right away. Roman Anthony was immediately the best part of the Red Sox. Why is that? Drake.
- [62:24]
C
Maybe everyone should be Drake, man.
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B
Everyone.
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A
Maybe everyone's making excuses for them. They'll probably play this on one of the shows. Listen, these two making excuses.
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C
Like a whole segment on it.
- [62:37]
A
Yeah, yeah. Drake Bay is good. Anyway. All right, McShay, so every Saturday you do a live YouTube show with Mensch for your podcast.
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C
Outside of like doing the draft nationally, like in at the site, like, it might be my, like the like most fun. My favorite project I've ever done is the Saturday night show and it kind of, we just kind of stumbled upon it.
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A
So you're coming on.
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C
We break into the late in the games.
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A
Like the Georgia game is going to.
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C
Be the one and Penn State, Penn State, Oregon. So we'll break in with like 5, 7 minutes left and we'll just react. I'm looking at the big screen over here. And cut. It's just a mess. And then we'll reset and we'll do a recap of the whole day. And this week we've got like nine, ten games we gotta recap. We'll probably be on two in the morning this week, so it'll be fun Eastern time.
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A
We love having you. It's great to see you.
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C
It's been great, man. I love it here and I'm excited about what we're doing.
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A
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B
Yeah, it does set up with some semblance of normalcy, I guess I'll say because I think we've gotten the overreaction out of our system now and the under reactions. But you're both of those. The overs and the. And the unders. I mean the, the, the. The Falcons fired their wide receiver coach and they're working on better communication with Michael Penck. What are, what are you and I going to do? Don't fire me.
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C
Who can we fire?
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A
They also moved their OC from Oh yeah. Booth down from the booth down to the field, which is another one. Sometimes it's a moving the deck chairs in the Titanic situation. But even if you look at the stats from that game, it's kind of hard. That did not seem like a 30 to nothing game. If you just examine all of what happened and I and Carolina is going to come up later because I still think they stink and I'm willing to make our money back. Here are the stay aways for this week. I want to zoom through this a little bit because we got a lot of Ryder cup to talk to. Ryder cup on the East Coast.
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B
Great.
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A
I have a lot of thoughts. Stay aways. Rams, Colts. I'm staying away unless you like it. I don't know what to make of this Colts team. They feel like the rabbit team this year. It's Rams three and a half at home. I don't like the line. If I had to, if it was Rams two and a half, I'd be intrigued. Three and a half.
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B
It's a fair number. We are going to, I think transact on another team involved in next week's Thursday night game, which is to me the most compelling reason to stay away from this Rams Colts game. The Rams go from this game to Thursday night hosting the San Francisco 49ers. So short work week for both the Rams and. And the 49ers and that's a crucial matchup for those teams. So I like the idea of staying away. I think it's a fair number. Three and a half seems Fine with me. Good. Good test for the Colts. This is a good referendum on who these Colts are.
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A
House. Remember when we took the Niners and Ringer one zero seven minus two and a half. And then Mac Jones they were driving and it seemed like we had it one and a half minus one minus.
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B
One and a half.
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A
And then Mac Jones threw a terrible pick and then they scored and then he took a safety in the end zone and they're down too. And then Mac Jones then drove them down so they could win by one and we didn't win.
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B
We'll have a chance to talk about the Niners in context but they have still abominable special teams. That safety by Mac Jones was a special teams safety because the dumb ass punt return guy feel the punt at the goddamn two yard line.
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A
It's like a 65 yard punt is like. Let me, let me get field position right here. All right.
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B
Just get out of the way. Just let the ball bounce in the end zone.
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C
Dopey.
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A
Next day away is Bill Saints which is. It's over two touchdowns. It'll probably land who knows somewhere in the 16 to 17 range. The Saints offense is just decent enough that there's backdoor stuff like you look at the advanced stats like they're not reprehensible. They can move the ball. If it's like 31 to 10 they could get one lane. If you had.
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B
If you had come in on fire for the Saints I would have gone along with it.
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C
I don't.
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B
I don't hate this spot for them. I just. I'm. I'm not going to bet on them but I. I don't hate the spot.
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A
Dolphins Jets a complete stay away. There's a mild case for the jets just because they really could be 2 and 1. But there's also a mild case for the Dolphins because they're owing three. And if they're ever going to win a game, this would be it. And they showed some fight and they're on 10 days rest.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I don't want to find out Justin Fields first. Tua. It's a no thanks across the board.
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B
That's fine. That's a fine Monday night game. Just sit back and enjoy. Don't have anything on it.
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A
And then last but not least, the. The Broncos laying seven and a half to Cincinnati.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And Bo Nix has just been awful. He's cost us money. He's made me scared for my futures. Pff. Ranked him I think the 35th out of 36 quarterbacks who have played football this year.
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B
Not Good.
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A
I really want to put them in a parlay or talk you into some sort of tease on Sunday. And I'm just. I can't until we see Bo. Knicks have three hours. That look half decent.
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C
Yeah.
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A
So we're going to stay away from that.
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B
I have put the Broncos in a tease, but no way I'm laying seven and a half. That's a preposterous number. Even though the Bengals really bengal the hell out of that Vikings game. I mean, they just bangled that game.
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A
A guy in the Vikings scored two touchdowns who wasn't on offense.
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B
True story. He did that.
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A
Two touchdowns. If you had him in fantasy, it would have been like a huge day. All right. Two games that I think are stay aways, but I'll let you. If you got super excited about it, I'm willing to have the combo. Eagles minus three and a half over the Bucks. It's in Tampa. No Mike Evans for Tampa. It's time for his annual hamstring injury. Yeah, it's like we have. We have Halloween on October 31st. We have Thanksgiving. We have Mike Evans with a hamstring. No Godwin probably. Worfs might play. I just. I just want to stay away. Unless you. There's something you'd like here.
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B
Now, if the Tampa Bay Buccaneers had better health in any of those areas, I mean, Baker continues to be banged up and, you know, always halfway through each game we see him with a limp. If they had just a tiny bit better health luck, I would be all over the Bucks. They have been tremendous in this spot against the Eagles year over year. Ask any Eagles fan, Tampa plays them super tough. They always. For whatever reason, because the way the schedules turn out, in the way that Tampa and the Eagles have fared well.
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A
In their division a lot, it's almost like they're. Yeah, that's right.
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B
It's a stay away. I agree with you.
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A
You know, I was doing a bunch of homework trying to get our mojo back this week, and I was giving. I was assigning teams records. Not win loss records, but actual win. Actual loss and then just the number next to it, which meant it's an either or game.
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B
Sure.
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A
Tampa's actual record is 0, 0 and 3. Sure. They don't have a convincing win yet.
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B
There is some stat out there, like the first team in modern history to win, you know, on the last drive or second last drive.
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A
Some.
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B
Some crazy number like that.
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A
And Philly. Philly is two on one. All right, we're staying away from that. And I don't want to Stay away from Chiefs, Ravens.
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B
I don't want to bet on it, so.
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A
But I also don't want to bet on it. Chiefs plus two and a half at home against the Ravens.
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B
What's your lean on that? I'm interested in your lean.
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A
My lean is the Chiefs. They're begging you to take the Chiefs. I think that Ravens run defense, it's just going to be bad for the whole year.
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B
So you're. You're right, but who the hell runs the football for the Kansas City Chiefs?
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A
Right? And then from an explosive play standpoint, it just feels like Baltimore can at least put up points against anybody and they're going to be in the 25 to 30 range just because that seems to be what they do. And then can the Chiefs get there? And it just. Casey is just mediocre in every single offensive category. Like give me anything, give me yards per play. But what's weird is I think they still have the 8th ranked offense by EPA and then every other stat is in the middle. Baltimore's defense, 30th rush, 31st pass, 25th yards per pass, 30th first down. They're both one and two. Obviously one of these teams are going to be one in three. My lean is the Chiefs and I feel like on Sunday I'm going to talk myself into a tease with them. Getting eight and a half is where this is going to land.
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B
I actually kind of like that. That's not. I mean, let's compare notes on Sunday. The thing with the Ravens defense is they cannot put pressure on anybody because the injuries to Van Noy and Matabuque up the middle and we saw that. We saw Jared Goff just enjoying the comfort and peace of a quiet pocket and he absolutely picked that Ravens defense apart. I think ultimately that Ravens defense will be fine. And we kind of went through a version of this last year if they can get the restored health. But I think at this stage of the season it makes sense to stay away. Let's just enjoy the game.
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A
One thing I was thinking with that. So the Ravens, Ravens defense died in that Bills game in the second half. Right? And it died in the second half of that Lions game. And I was wondering if there was a cousin south special maybe looming.
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B
Well, the problem is the Lions won the first half and one. Or was it tied or did they were up at the.
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A
I'm saying for this week.
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B
Oh, okay.
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A
Like the Ravens take a lead and then the Chiefs come back. So Ravens would first have Chiefs second half.
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B
And it fits every sort of character of These two teams, the idea of these two teams over the years, like the Ravens are historically great in the first half of games and the Chiefs have been a second half dynamo, just like, you know, that's the Patrick Mahomes story. So if you want to do that, I'm not against it.
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A
What angle I like about this house, if you're going to take the Chiefs, is the Ravens could go one and three and then immediately. Texans home, Rams home. Bye week. Bears home. At Dolphins at Vikings at Browns home, Jets home, Bengals home. Steelers at Bengals, Pats at green bay. Week 17. Like they might, this might be the last game they lose for three months.
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B
And we've seen them do this.
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A
They were. Seen them do this 8 and 5.
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B
Last year and then they didn't lose any more games. Just finished out the season with a.
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A
With a nice run slightly in Chiefs. I also wonder the Giants might be a little better than maybe we think. And maybe that's why the Chiefs, even though it was a little ugly last year, they still did win 22 to 9. But I just feel like after this game we're going to be like, oh, okay. And we'll know a little more.
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B
I'm leaning Chiefs, you know that, that Baltimore to win the first half, Kansas City to win the game.
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A
What is it?
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B
Plus 850 would be worth a couple.
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A
Couple, couple dollars sprinkling. Okay. Yeah, the possibles. Packers at Dallas minus six and a half. The money line could go in any parlay we want to do. Green Bay's a little banged up. Detroit's defense might be the worst defense in the league.
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C
It's.
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A
I'm sorry, Dallas's defense, it's in the running for worst defense. And then Green Bay's offensive stats, even after that weird Browns game when they went against that juggernaut, there's still seventh pass, third run, second yards per play. And it just feels like they're going to light them up, the Parsons thing. And yet something scares me about this straight up. So we'll have to talk parlay in it. No CD Lamb. Dallas looked dead after CD Lamb. Like it just seemed like they had no chance whatsoever. There's no case for Dallas in my opinion. But I didn't like how the packers looked last week either.
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B
That's the only thing that is worrisome is that there's no case for Dallas. And I can't imagine anybody out there betting on Dallas there. When we sit down and wake up, I mean, when we wake up Sunday morning, the splits are going to be like 85% of the tickets on. Yeah, on the Packers. And this number has just held tight at six and a half. Like no movement at all. It's six and a half.
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A
So, I mean, everyone got excited about Caleb last week, and rightfully so. He made some good throws. But then if you watch the highlights, these guys are wide open. They're open by like five, six, seven yards every pass.
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B
He had hours to throw and he.
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A
Had hours to throw.
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B
That is by far the most comfortable he's been as a professional in terms of, you know, dropping back.
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A
Okay, starting to get a little more serious here. Texans Titans, Texans -7 and a half. Only as a parlay here. Yeah, it's a kitchen sink game for them. They're owing three. Season might be over anyway, but in the AFC south, who knows? And they're playing this Tennessee team. Pick a stat on offense. They're 32nd. Like, just name a stat. I'll be like, oh, no. Actually they're only 30th in that one. They stink. And the Callahan tire fires, which you nicknamed in Dumbo two weeks ago. It could be the last one for him. Houston's defense is probably at least a top 10 defense gave up 14 of the Rams, 20 of the Bucks, 19 to the Jags. They're good.
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B
It's a good defense. So nothing wrong with the Houston defense.
- [77:55]
A
This is a. How many points are they going to score a game for Tennessee?
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B
Yeah. So I don't want to mess with the number. Let's just take the Texans on the money line and put them in a parlay. They're. They're one leg. I like that, that leg quite a bit.
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A
Browns, Lions. Browns getting nine and a half. And I would be all over this except their left tackle, Duan Jones is out and their right tackle, Conklin is questionable. And they can't really score to begin with, but man, the defensive stats for them, what they did to Green Bay last week and just what they've been doing in general. They're first in rush, fourth and pass, first in yards per play, third and sacks first and first down. Baltimore ended up with 41 on them, but that was a weird game. It wasn't a 41 point offensive game. And then Detroit has a really good offense, too. But Detroit coming off Monday night, just everybody blowing smoke and Dan Campbell proving that it wasn't all about Ben Johnson. They just have this awesome win and it just. It has all the makings of a stay away. And that's what I think we should do.
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B
Yeah, I don't disagree. I think that the number is crazy. Nine and a half is an insane number.
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A
Too high. It's three points too high.
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B
Yeah, exactly. Three points. Three full points too high. You cannot say enough about this Cleveland Browns defense. You got to give it up to Jim Schwartz. They had the person they figured out what they did wrong last year and the pass rush is back and it's ferocious. They have played Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson and Jordan Love and they get pressure on all those dudes. The only reason why we're not going to fire on this is because we can't bet on Joe Flacco on the road. I don't think to get any any points.
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A
I like Judkins too.
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B
Me too. And they established the run pretty effectively but that's the infant the injury to the offensive lineman is a bummer in that respect.
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A
They made a great trade. The Travis Hunter trade was awesome and they ended up with Graham who I don't know. Their front four is just really good. I was. I was really, really impressed by them in that Green Bay game because we had. I can't remember how I bet Green Bay but I was nervous in the second quarter because it was clear their defense was disrupting everything going everything Green Bay wanted to do. Giants Chargers is another one that looks like a let's be careful out there Giants six and a half point underdogs at home Jackson Dart starting Andrew Thomas back in at left tackle and that Chargers O line no Slater who's out all year but then Becton looks like he's out their center Bozeman might be out right the riding high off these three wins and a lot of Herbert love but I thought they had a ton of trouble protecting Herbert last week and this Giants defense if the crowd's fired up about dart that this feels upset ish to me The Giants defenses 28th pass 31st rush and the Chargers are second in pass but yet their offensive line worries me I. It feels like a stay away but I do like the Giants.
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B
I don't want to bet on a rookie quarterback in his first start against.
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A
That'S why we're not doing it. We're 5 and 10 we can't do a rookie QB.
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B
I mean Harbaugh's four zero against the spread against rookie quarterbacks oh in you.
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A
Know a stat of me yeah well.
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B
If I was I because I was considering you know do we do something with the Chargers I have I. I did the teaser that America should not do which is the chargers down to 1 1/2 and the Green Bay packers down the one. I did it. Or a half. Whatever it is. I did that. I did that. I told America not to do that on Wednesday's show just because I did it. That was my public service announcement to everybody. Do not tease the Chargers and the Green Bay packers together. Don't do it.
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A
That was like the Bad Idea Jeans commercial. The. That tease.
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B
I agree.
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A
So she asked me have unprotected sex. That I said, when's the next time if I'm going to be in Haiti? Remember that commercial with her? It was one of the classics.
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B
Bad Idea Genesis.
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A
I think that's a bad idea. Okay, the likelys. I have five and tell me. I'll just. I'll say what they are and then we can go to them. Raiders, Bears, Jags, Niners, Falcons, Washington, Vikings, Dealers, Pat's, Panthers. Is there anything we don't have out of those five that you liked?
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B
No. No, those. So when you sent me the notes, some people, some people accuse us of being, you know, I'm too agreeable. But, like, the whole point of this is us collaborating and trying to find games.
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A
Yeah, we're. That work beforehand.
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B
We're trying. We're trying.
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A
Too agreeable.
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C
The.
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A
I mean, like, we argue all the time.
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B
I did talk you out of week one, the Seattle Seahawks, you know, against the 49ers. You. You had that on the list.
- [82:49]
A
The problem is we've been agreeing on bad picks.
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B
We're five and 10 bad picks. We're bad at this.
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A
I almost want to guarantee a 4 and 1 this week, but I'm not going to put that.
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C
Don't you.
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B
Don't do that.
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A
Don't.
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B
I. I just want to say I have hit my same game parlay each of the first three weeks on the Sunday pregame show and I am 2 and 1 on the Sunday pregame show with my best bet, so.
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A
Oh, good. We'll bring some of that magic here.
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B
I'm trying. I'm trying. That's it. Here I am.
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A
Raiders, Bears, Raiders by one and a half. Bears coming off a we looked way too good last week game. Raiders coming off a we didn't look good at all game. So there's a double zag that I like. It's a loser leaves town match. I think if either of these teams lose, I find it hard to believe they're going to make the playoffs. The Raiders going one and three like they're going to go eight and five down the stretch. Like they're just going to be too up and down. They're pretty healthy, though. And apparently Bowers is fine. I didn't love the way he looked.
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B
He didn't look good.
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A
Against Washington, the Bears had this miracle game where they play this really limited Dallas team and Lamb gets hurt in the first quarter. So it's not like I think that could have been a shootout. And it just. That got taken off the table. They have a bunch of secondary injuries and all the defensive stats for them are really bad, including their last in the league in yards per play allowed. And Vegas's offense. I don't know.
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B
So put a pin in this one because I'm not all the way there yet. And the reason I'm not all the way there yet is because we had two consecutive crappy Geno games now. Yeah, we anticipated that they were going to have. I did. At least. I said on this show and other shows that I thought that it was a bad spot for the Raiders coming off of that Monday Night Football game. Yeah. Against the Chargers in the previous week. Just a tough spot for them coming east out here for a one o' clock game. The compelling reason to invest in the Raiders here is because he's back home in that dome. His splits in a dome are so much better. And you know, they are showing something in terms of offensive potency. That guy Tucker was unstoppable. He had giant place.
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A
Yeah, listen, this is pro sports. You have a shitty week, you recommit during the week in practice. We gotta get. And this is why we do this with the season. Just. We go down, we go up. This feels like a Bears come back down. Raiders go back up. I like the price. I think this line should be two and a half.
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B
Okay.
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A
I don't know what. How do the Bears. Only. How is this in the tic tac zone? The Bears fucking suck on defense and they're on the road. Why do we think they're so. Anyway, I feel like we're getting a free point and if the Raiders lose this game, their season's over. Next one. Feel more strongly about this one. Jags plus three and a half.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Against San Francisco. No Bosa, no Kittle, Pearsall and Jennings. Questionable. The Niners have had just a slew of injuries already. We. They're going to have a Mac Jones with a sprained PCO or a slightly injured Brock Purdy at starting qb. Scary special teams as always for San Francisco. And this is the cousin. I talked about this on Sunday. I like how Jacksonville looks. I think their defense. I think they have a pass rush. I think they're causing turnovers. Like they're doing shit.
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B
You are correct.
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A
And offensively, plays are there. Guys are open. Like they're just not stupid. Shit's happening with them. But that they remind me a little of the Pats, where, like, you can see the potential of what's there. I just think they're. I kind of like the Jags, I got to be honest. I mean, just in general, not even this game, I just kind of like them.
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B
Yeah, I agree with you. I like the spot and I like the number and I like the Jags to win this game outright because I think the Niners, this is the, The. The angle that I'm particularly invested in is, is them looking at their division game on Thursday against the Rams and saying, look at.
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A
We.
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B
We have to come into that Thursday night game as healthy as possible. And so if. If Purdy for. In. In any way, shape or form shows, you know, distress or, you know, he's not moving, well, get him out. It just doesn't make any sense to, you know, rush him in and push this one all the way through. And you hit on the key. I think on both sides of the ball. Jacksonville has like a. Has a spine. They have an identity. The thing that they keep doing is self sabotaging. They need their goddamn receivers to catch the goddamn balls when Trevor Lawrence hits them in the hands. And Trevor Lawrence needs to do better at hitting them in the hands. His accuracy is still in the. In the bottom third of the league, but they lead the league in terms of drops, drop percentage, and so forth. So, yeah, I'm, I'm.
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A
How about this? They should be three. And oh, they beat the Panthers. They completely gave away that Bengals game that they should have won. And I don't know how they didn't win. And then they beat the Texans last week, but I really like that one. I think the line's too high, too. I think they. I think it should be one and a half or two and a half.
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B
Yeah, we're in agreement. The only thing that you would say worry about is, are Jacksonville's defense numbers somewhat illusory because they've played offenses that are. That are, you know, top notch.
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A
Joe Burrow getting hurt.
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B
Right.
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A
C.J. stroud and whatever is in a team with a terrible offensive line. But. All right, next one. Falcons, Washington. Falcons plus one and a half. Atlanta coming off a horrible loss and Washington coming off an easy win. The big thing here is your team is just banged up.
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B
Yeah.
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A
No, McLaurin, it looks like you have a bunch of defensive injuries. Daniels might play my not play. Eckler's already gone. You have a bunch of just no name receivers, I mean running backs and you know the Atlanta D. The stats are pretty. With three games is like enough of a sample size. The stats are pretty good with them. They're first against the pass, fourth yards per play, second first downs allowed. I think there's something there with them. The question for me is why did it look like you guys had never had a practice on offense last week and did you fix that? I'm going to bet on the talent. I think they can win the game outright.
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B
Well the difference is Penix on the road versus PennX at home and all the communications issues, all of the things that we cited at the top of the show about things that Atlanta did to figure out how to make the communication work better. Bringing the coach down, the offensive coordinator down to the field. Fire the wide receivers coach. We got to get the plays in quicker. We have to have Pennix. All of that should work better at home. And they have shown us a kind of class what they did going into Minnesota and being able to establish the run and they, they just ran the ball with, with the two headed monster of Alier and Bijan Robinson and you know they, they got to get Penx throwing the ball to those receivers in, in the end zone. I think they're committed to it. This is the game in which they're going to possibly have some success. It hurts my feelings to go against Washington but man that secondary is so depleted, you know across the board. So the spot is correct and that's.
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A
Counting Lattimore who's still playing.
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B
Oh my God. Fake thugs. Fake thug.
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A
Falcons have the Bucks beat. This is one of our ringer 107 losses and they fucking blow it down the stretch. That was weak multiple ways.
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B
They blew it multiple ways.
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A
Week two they spanked the Vikings spanked them. Week three really stupid Panthers game. They fall behind seven nothing. They just stopped running the ball. I don't know what they were doing and I think they bounced back. I really like the Falcons plus one and a half. Let's go to Ireland.
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B
There's a nice angle there also for teams that get blown out by 30 or more. I saw there's that they cover like nearly 70% of the time the next next game.
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A
How about this angle? Conspiracy Bill Looking at week six Bills Monday night Football. So Atlanta plays the Commanders and then there's a week five buy and then the Bills. I think the league wants the Falcons to be 2 and 2 heading into that Bills game. It's a little more fun coming off a win.
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B
Okay, fine.
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A
Maybe get some calls. Vikings, Steelers in Ireland. It kind of frightens me how much I like the Vikings in this game because their quarterback's going to be Carson Wentz. But I love the Vikings. And I think part of it is because I watched that entire Steelers Pats game, every play, and I just do not think the Steelers are good. And I can't believe the Pats lost that game. I cannot get over it.
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B
I started preparing myself after I listened to you and cousin Sal on Sunday night for this pick that you were. Yes. Like, it violates all your rules where it's a Sunday night, it's a Sunday morning game. It's the first game in Europe. It.
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A
One of the. One of my first rules is don't bet on this game. Do not bet on the game. When you wake up and an hour has already gone by and you're down.
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B
To nothing, and then there's a Carson Wentz rule. I mean, it's. There's some amazing rules that we are going to violate because I think that the template that they showed us last week against the Bengals is eminently repeatable against Pittsburgh. Super repeatable template. That defense blitzing Aaron Rodgers into oblivion. He is the worst quarterback in the NFL under pressure. His completion rate, his accuracy, everything goes down. He is immobile. And they do not have any safety valves on that offense to let him get the ball out and protect him. They're cooked. I like the Vikings.
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A
I said to Sal last week, I really only feel like Rogers can do two things anymore. Like the. Gets the snap, quick throw, like bubble screen or right over the. And he has that. And he has that three steps back, quick throw back, shoulder play, and nothing else. I just didn't see one other thing that he could do. Here's the other thing. Minnesota's run defense isn't good, which might be a problem certain weeks. Right. It was a problem against Atlanta. It's not going to be a problem against Pittsburgh because Pittsburgh's running game is bad.
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B
Bad.
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A
Rogers bad against pressure. Minnesota loves pressure. Pittsburgh should be owing three. They should have lost the jets game and they should have lost the Patriots game. And I just don't think they're good. Here's another thing. Jordan Addison back from Minnesota.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I love that this happens right around week three, week four, week five, guys pop back in and you kind of forget. It's like, oh, your left tackle who is suspended for steroids, now he's back. I forgot Addison being back for them Is a big deal because now you can actually throw the ball in Pittsburgh, which the Pats did. Pat's had 26 first downs in that game.
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B
Let me just say this out loud so that we've. We're acknowledging it.
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A
When we wake up, Wentz is the quarterback of the Vikings.
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B
We wake up, he's playing 6:30 in.
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A
The morning Pacific time.
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B
We wake up in the morning, we turn the game on and Pittsburgh is up 17 to 3. And you're like, what the fuck is going on here?
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A
Listen, that's why I'm going to wake up at six in the morning so I don't have to have that experience. I want to watch every play live. All bets are off in Ireland. You just never know.
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B
The other thing. I mean, Pittsburgh's defense, super gettable. I mean, I'm not saying that Wentz is the guy that's going to get them, but I do like Jordan Mason. I like what he showed us. And he didn't have to play the fourth quarter against the Bengals.
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A
Heisman still after the Steelers. Another angle. I like Craig Horbeck and the fantasy football guys are going to be there. Craig, big Steelers fan, about to shed some Irish tears watching Aaron Rodgers backpedaling for his life for three hours.
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B
You can drown those tears in a delicious Guinness and a Jameson. That's what I recommend. Jameson and a little Jameson and then a little Guinness.
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A
Last one. Pat's minus five and a half or minus 2:50 against the Panthers. There's just abysmal stats for the Panthers here about dogs after a Moneyline win. The next week is really bad. Panthers hurt on the offensive line. Gonzalez is going to be back for the Patriots on defense. Carolina's offense, 30th yards per play. Their defense, 32nd in sacks, 32nd to QB. Hits 32nd in hurries and 31st in tackles. Oh, that sounds wonderful. The Pats offense, eighth and first downs. Dude passing.
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B
They move the ball up and down the goddamn football field against the Steelers. Here's the thing. Let me just say this also another thing I'm going to say out loud for us to hear. We're not going to be pussies. We're going to lay the fucking number. We're going to go ahead and lay the five and a half. We're going to do it. We're grown ass man. We're trying to win picks on this show the numbers five and a half. It's to me a little light. If it was seven, I might like tap the brakes. But there's nothing instructive about the way that Carolina handled Atlanta. There are no takeaways from that game that inform what's going to happen in this game. The inside rush ability. The Patriots have a pass rush. It is a good pass rush. Barmore and Milton. What's Milton's last name? Mr. Milton Williams. Milton Williams.
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A
That's a Doris Burke me and call him Mr. Milton.
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B
I got that close. I got that close. I love that idea of them getting Bryce Young off his spot. Spot. Get that man moving. And then good things happen. In terms of turnovers, I want to go ahead and lay the five and a half.
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A
If they can't win by seven against this Panthers team, this season's going to be awful. But I really think the pats. I had McShay on before you and McShay was saying the same thing. Like he thinks the Pats by like week 10, week 11, there's going to be something there. I really think there's something here with the Pats and I thought they should have won last week.
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B
The other thing is, to that point, the handicap for last week was correct. It was a good handicap on the Patriots. They just turned the fucking ball over five times. Let's just not do that this week.
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A
We fumbled on the goal line and we threw a goal line tipped pick.
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B
Let's not do that.
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A
All right, so it sounds like we have five picks that we like. No parlays this week for us. We're just doing five straight ups. Because the fifth one right now would be Raiders, Bears, and we could run from that one and do.
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B
Yeah, that's the one we put a pin in. I'd rather just do a moneyline parlay.
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A
Okay, so you want to do like a. Like a Packers Texans moneyline.
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B
That's the one. That's. That's the. Let's go to Texas where the Texans are, you know, sending Callahan home. Tommy boy Callahan.
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A
All right, well, you know what? Let's take a break. We'll figure out what we'll do. We'll come back, we'll do our ringer. 107 picks and then you're going to break down the Ryder cup for us and tell us how to win money and bet against our country. This episode is brought to you by SAP. You know that feeling when running a business gets too demanding? The pressure to make everything happen all at once is immense. Like it's 4th and 1 and you just need that last yard to seal the win. Stop stressing so much. With the AI powered capabilities of SAP. You can streamline costs, connect with new suppliers and manage payroll even when your business is being pulled in different directions to deliver a quality product at a fair price while paying your people what they're worth so your business can stay unfazed. Learn more@SAP.com Uncertainty this episode is brought to you by Vuory. Look, I'm not a big let's hype up workout clothes guy, but Vuori, I gotta say, total game changer. Been wearing a lot. If you see me power walking around Los Angeles, probably gonna see me wearing some Vuori Sunday performance joggers that they have. It's made with four way performance stretch fabric, one of the most comfortable things you own. You will wear them everywhere, I promise. All you have to do is go to Vuoria.com Simmons and you get 20% off your first purchase with Vuori V-U-O-R-I.com Simmons enjoy free shipping on all US orders over $75 plus free returns. Exclusions apply. Visit the website for full terms and conditions. And now it's time for a special part of today's episode. It's brought to you by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. Two things I really like. If you're an NFL fan considering a new cable contract, you're basically an unrestricted free agent. Trading that contract for NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. The best possible trade you can make during the off season. If you're a new user ready to make that move. Here's why I think you should do it. First of all, Sunday Ticket as you know I love it. But when you get YouTube TV you also get whatever your local games are for the multi view which is huge. Which I didn't realize during the old days when I didn't have YouTube TV and you couldn't put the Chargers or Ram games here in LA into the multi view. Now I can. But YouTube TV is great. It records basically everything. Like you could just say record Celtics and the Celtic games. If they're on YouTube TV they'll just record for you. It's like the greatest DVR of all time. If you are a fan. Free agent NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. That's the contract you should sign. Get every game, every Sunday all in one place. It's a no brainer. And right now you can get NFL Sunday ticket month to month and cancel anytime. Try it out. Go to YouTube.com BS to sign up now. Local and National Games on YouTube TV NFL Sunday Ticket for out of market games excludes digital only games, base playing required renews every month during the 2025 regular season only. Your membership for the following month can be canceled at any time before your renewal date. Terms, restrictions and embargoes apply. Commercial use excluded. No refunds. Today's Ringer 107 is brought to you by FanDuel and Holy Macro. House and I just we just did a 25 minute break. Poor Cahao and poor Eduardo were just sitting there pouring gasoline on themselves like that. Like the people on airplane as we just debated tried to figure out odds trying to figure out what our parlay was going to be and I think we ended up in the right place because we had to obey House's edict that we had to be men. Put chest hair in our chests for me to act like a guy whose birthday it is and just bet on the PAT straight up. Yeah.
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B
Happy birthday to you.
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A
Thank you. Just to go pat straight up minus five and a half. So here we go. The Ringer 107 for week four we are five and ten. Hopefully we are ten and ten. After these five picks we decided not to do the Raiders Bears we talked about a lot. If we were 10 and 5 I would bet on Geno Smith. But we're 5 and 10 so we can't. So we are going to bet on the Jags plus three and a half against the very very very banged up San Francisco 49ers. Both House and I like the Jags just in general. We're not going to apologize either. We think they're pretty talented. Correct.
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B
We they are talented. They have to self stop self sabotaging.
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A
Well we're taking the Falcons plus one and a half against your beloved Washington C words and we're doing it because we're 5 and 10 and if we have to bet against one of our favorite teams we're going to do that. Not a great spot for your team.
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B
Speaking of self sabotage.
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A
Yes we like the Falcons with the bounce back. We're going to Ireland for a 6:30 pt start. Viking Steelers Both of us absolutely love the Vikings minus one and a half.
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B
This is a rule breaker special. We are breaking the rules.
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A
We're breaking the rules of don't bet on this game ever. Don't bet on a game that starts before 10am on a Sunday and don't bet on a game with a bunch of drunk Irish people.
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B
Don't bet on CARSON Wentz.
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A
I'm 25% Irish. Don't bet on Carson Wentz. Another rule we're breaking. But bet against Aaron Rodgers and bet against a fraudulent Steelers team are two really good rules. So we're taking the Vikings minus one and a half. We're going to bet the Patriots straight up minus five and a half at home against Carolina Panthers. We think the Pats are better than the record. I think the Panthers are probably a little worse than their record.
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B
Well, they've only won one game.
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A
Yeah, they're one and two and they should be minus one and four. We're going to take the Pat straight up. And then this is what we debated. We threw in a bunch of people in this. We really wanted to put the packers in a parlay.
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B
We did. We tried so hard.
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A
We wanted to figure out a Packers Texans parlay. But the minus 120 rule for Ringer 107 the bed has to be minus 120 or better from an odd standpoint and we just couldn't make it work. We turned to our old friend Patrick Mahomes in the Kansas City Chiefs. We are doing the packers minus two and a half against Dallas, a team that will not have CD Lamb that would be going against Michael Parsons and we do not think they're going to be able to move the ball that well and we expect a Green Bay bounce back. So minus two and a half and we're putting them with the chiefs outline on FanDuel plus seven and a half yeah close chiefs Ravens game I had to talk you into it. Something scared you. Is that the Ravens offense scared you? What scared you?
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B
That's literally it. The Ravens offense is incredible. Speaking of self sabotage, if Derek Henry stops fumbling, you know, at crucial moments of the game with their when they're driving to go up by significant margin, I was hoping that we could figure out a way to get the Chiefs by eight and a half. But seven and a half is satisfactory because the Chiefs at home don't lose by margin.
- [104:36]
A
Xavier worthy back? Yep. I mean really, the Chiefs are going to get blown out by double digits at home and go one and three to start the season?
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B
I don't think so.
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A
Ravens defense is bad. The Chiefs should be able to run the ball some Pacheco. I feel okay with this house. Those are Ringer 107 picks. I hope we turn it around. Today's Ringer 107 brought to you by FanDuel. Subject to change. Okay, let's talk about something you are passionate about. The Ryder Cup. You've been just putting more and more money on the other team that's not America over and over again you've been as the foreigners keep winning PGA tournaments and you would just sprinkle more and more Ryder cup money on them. But now, now you're going to the Ryder cup with our buddy Nathan Hubbard and you're going to root for America. Do people know you're a turncoat? What's the deal?
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B
Well, I've been public about the fact that as a rational better, when I'm trying to help all of the birdie buddies out there put a little bit of green US Dollars in their pockets, the rational bet is on Europe. And Europe at the moment is getting on the FanDuel sportsbook. Let's see. I think they're plus 160.
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A
Right.
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B
Plus 170. Right. And the US is minus 150.
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A
So your take is you feel like this is basically 50, 50.
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B
That is my take. That's exactly right.
- [106:00]
A
The foreign side, the bad guys are plus 170 in a 50, 50 matchup where they have a more experienced team. You pointed out on the ringer gambling show yesterday, it's basically the exact same team as they had in the last Ryder cup, except for a twin brother switch.
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C
Yeah.
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B
If you took the picture of 2023 and the picture of this year, it looks the same, same thing.
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A
It's like nothing, nothing is different. I want to expand on a point you guys made that I thought. I've been thinking the same thing because this is such a hard ticket to get and it's so expensive and everybody's like, ryder cup in New York. This is going to be crazy. And it's like. Is it, is it going to be crazy? Because. Did you see the US Open tennis crowd?
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C
Yes, Yes, I did.
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A
Similar, kind of. Oh, you really need connections and some money to get here. And oh, here's, here's. What's that drink they have at the US Open? The, the Honey Glaze or whatever it's called.
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B
Yeah, that's right. With honey melon and. Right. Yeah.
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A
38 drink. You should get, you should get an overpriced sandwich from David Chang. Just want to make sure he's listening. Overpriced short rib sandwich from changing $39. But anyway, that's, that's just kidding. Check. That is. That's going to be the vibe at this thing. Right? Are normal people going to be at this?
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B
There will be, yeah. You know, some folks and they did, you know, offer up a set of tickets. But, you know, the, the early movers and the bulk of it I think was, was folks moving in on, on expensive ticket packages.
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A
So it's all, it's all people like Vino from caa. He'll be there wearing A vest I'll be.
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B
Speaking of, where's my hat? There we go. I have my vino. There we go.
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A
Yeah, he'll be, he'll be there with some snazzy vest, shaking hands. But it's going to be a lot of that. It's going to be a lot of people that we know. Guess what? People like us don't make a lot of noise at golf tournaments.
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B
You know, it depends on how many we're not.
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A
Like you want people like the Jbug Circuit 1995 at this thing.
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B
That's what you need.
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A
You want like hardcore people in their 20s who are like, I'm gonna with that, that guy from Germany.
- [108:12]
B
I'm gonna with that guy, Tyl Hatton, right?
- [108:14]
A
You know, Taro, you piece of shit. Fuck you. All right, so give us, give us some bets that we should do this weekend with the, with the cup.
- [108:23]
B
Well, in the, in the first place, yes. The Europe price remains attractive at plus 170. They announced the first four matches tomorrow morning. It is the, it's alternate shot.
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A
It's going to pour rain tomorrow morning. So like. Well, isn't it now?
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B
I don't know. We're going to see, you know, the weather forecast is iffy indeed. It's been it rained today out there. The four matchups are bright. The lead off is Bryson Dechambeau and Justin Thomas. So we're going coming out with bangers up against John Rom and Tyrell Hatton. Speaking of. And the line on that match is rahm and Hatton plus 100. So even money. And DeChambeau and Thomas are plus 130. I, I love the Rom Hatton combo.
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A
And that's like one of our best duos. That's not a good sign for the US winning the thing when we're not even favorites in a match where we're throwing those guys out.
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B
I don't know whether or not it's one of our best duos. It's an enormous unknown.
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A
What's our best duo in your opinion? What's the one you count. You're counting on the most in this.
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B
Foursome format, which is the alt shot. Our best team is Scotty Scheffler and Russell Henley. Russell Henley deadly short game specialists. And Scheffler will put them in good position and unsurprisingly that team is favored by a good margin over Ludwig Oberg and Matt Fitzpatrick. The Schaeffler Henley team is -165. If you want to lay. I'm not mad at you. I think That's a perfectly fair price.
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A
Should have put that with the Packers.
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B
There's nothing stopping. There's still time. Yeah, I mean, you can build any kind of parlor. I already parlayed the Europe to. To have the, the first day lead with the Georgia Bulldogs. That was like +223 tomorrow on the FanDuel sportsbook. Yeah.
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A
You can't do any shenanigans with Ringer 107 because Sheriff JJ gets upset.
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B
He just wants to know what the rules are. I don't. I don't. I'm not mad at J.
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A
And you like the. What was the other one you liked? Just for the. There was one. What was the.
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B
There are. There are some.
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A
There's one golfer you love. There's.
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B
There are some.
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A
Victor Hovland.
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B
Yeah, there are some matchups. So Victor Hovland is matched up in. You know who will win more points in this tournament? Victor Hovland or Cam Young. Cam Young was favored at minus 148 and Hovland was like plus 110 or something like that. Hovland has played every single session of the last two Ryder Cups.
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A
He's.
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B
He played all five sessions in 2021 and he played all five sessions in 2023. And you know that the Euro team comes in with analytics saying, yeah, we, we think that, that Holland's a good investment. So I just think for Cam Young, he's the king of New York. He was born and oh, I don't know where he was born, but he was raised out in the Hudson Valley. His dad was a golf pro out at Sleepy Hollow and he as a kid won a tournament at Bethpage and I think set the course record. So he has a, like, good, good vibes at Bethpage. But that price is crazy to me for a rookie.
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A
Baby Doll is going to be there at Ryder cup to no surprise.
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B
I wonder if, if there's. I saw. All I have to do is go find the smoking area. That's. That's where Baby Doll will be.
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A
Find the smoking area. Also try to find the odds on FanDuel for amount of hours Baby was at the Ryder cup this weekend compared to amount of hours he was in LA for Jimmy Show.
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B
What does he need to be.
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A
The Rider cup is favored by 38 hours.
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B
I'm.
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A
More details to come on Sunday spot.
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B
I'm back in baby on this one. What do they need to be at the show for? He did his work. Was that there's a show.
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A
That's.
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B
That's the work. That's what Baby doll. Is there for. Jimmy's on the show. Is there a show? Yes, My work is done. Where's the golf tournament? I can't do a baby doll accent.
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A
Baby, come on. I gotta meet Carson Daly. He's hosting a Ryder cup thing.
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C
He did.
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B
He did host one.
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A
Yeah. Baby's very excited for this. This is. He really feels like this is. This is going to be a special, special weekend for America. I'm a little more dubious. There are some unbelievable home field advantage Ryder cup stats, at least for the last six or seven. So that is, hence the thing. I'd be surprised if we won. I really would. I would be surprised.
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B
Why?
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A
I just think that that foreign team, the. The one thing they haven't done lately is come on our turf and take the cup. I thought what Sal said about how the draw 10 to 1 and Europe gets to keep the cup. That's a. That's an interesting one. But I would bet the. Raised the trophy bet for Europe, which I think was like +125, something like that.
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B
Let's. Let's look and see if that's changed any because then you're covered with.
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A
With the stupid draw. Because they could always play for the.
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B
Draw, lift the trophy. USA minus 140. Europe plus 124. So that's like closer to the probability, those odds. Yeah, yeah, that's.
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A
So you're going. You're going. And on Saturday, people should know if they run into you. Love buying drink. I hope.
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B
Hospitality tent. To hospitality tent. Just helping myself. I don't plan on.
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A
Is there a signature drink?
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B
That's a great question. I don't know.
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A
What would it be like a Beth Page?
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B
Yeah, I'm sure.
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A
Spritzer?
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C
Probably.
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B
Probably, yeah.
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A
Beth Page Splash.
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B
I haven't. I haven't done any of that research yet.
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A
Patriotic punch.
- [114:19]
B
I'm not planning on buying any. Any of any drinks. Spending.
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A
Don't buy one drink. Let vino buy you drinks. If you run into Vino.
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B
Yeah, come through, baby.
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A
He'll have. I guarantee he'll have a really nice Ryder Cup 20, 25 vest. All right, House, have a great time. I really hope we're 10 and 10 next time I talk to you.
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C
You and me both.
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B
I'm knocking on wood. Good job by us.
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A
Good job by us. See you later. All right. Thanks to Todd. Thanks to House. Thanks to Gehau and Eduardo as well. Don't forget prestige TV task Sunday night and then new rewatchables coming Monday. So you have four days here to watch this thing and I will be back on Sunday night with the cuz and we'll talk about some of the we both went to Jimmy Kimmel show on Tuesday, which was fantastic. Just a great experience. But we'll talk about all the stuff that happened with Jimmy this week and we'll talk about Sunday Night football and college football and a whole bunch more. Enjoy the weekend. I'm off to enjoy my birthday and I will see you on Sunday. Must be 21 plus in President select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 + in President in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. GAMBLING PROBLEM Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com, call 1-887-89-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplianma.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text HOPE NY in New York. This episode is brought to you by Warner Brothers Pictures. One Battle After Another is coming to theaters September 26th. Don't miss Legendary writer, director and producer my guy Paul Thomas Anderson teaming up with Leo DiCaprio for the first time ever. Pretty exciting. They almost teamed together in Boogie Nights, actually alongside award winning actors like Sean Penn, Teyana Taylor and Benicio Del Toro in this hilarious action packed adventure following Bob Ferguson, an ex revolutionary, on a mission to find his missing daughter and overcome the consequences of his past. One Battle After Another Only in theaters September 26th. Get tickets now. Rated R under 17 not admitted without parenting.