The Frisky Cowboys, the Next Stafford, KC’s Houdini Act, an NFL Thanks Session, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

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Episode Title: The Frisky Cowboys, the Next Stafford, KC’s Houdini Act, an NFL Thanks Session, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Date: November 24, 2025
Host: Bill Simmons
Guest: Cousin Sal
Theme:
A lively, in-depth week-in-review of the NFL, featuring sharp banter, overreactions, the hottest storylines, and plenty of gambling talk. This episode digs into the resurgent Dallas Cowboys, Matthew Stafford's MVP campaign, KC’s comeback win, the Thanksgiving games slate, and an extended "Guess the Lines" segment with Cousin Sal.

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Main Topics & Discussion Points

1. Sunday Night Football Slump & Game Recaps

• 00:00 - 04:50
  • Bill and Sal bemoan a string of unexciting Sunday/Monday primetime NFL matchups.
    • Bill humorously catalogs recent stinkers: “Eagles, Lions stink fast. And then this week. What’s going on Monday night?” [04:04]
    • Sal: “A lot of these games are just mostly unwatchable and then close at the end.” [04:15]

2. The Cowboys’ Comeback & Frisky Factor

• 04:54 - 11:14
  • Cowboys rally back after being down 21-0 to Eagles
  • Sal, cautiously optimistic, wary of media hype:
    • “Rarely do we get to come on a Sunday night pod with some Cowboys. The five, five and one resurgent Cowboys. What’s happening?” [04:57]
    • Sal: “I really didn’t want to fall for this; I know how it is. The media, you're a member of the media, right? They want to get you excited about the Cowboys so they can tear them down.” [05:07]
  • Cowboys’ defense clutch late; Pickens trade lauded as “best trade of all time” [05:57]
  • Jerry Jones gets some (somewhat sarcastic) credit for roster moves
  • Bill admires two reliable receivers, run game improvement, and Dak’s varied play; questions remain about the secondary [06:48]
  • Key play: Free-agent rookie Elijah Clark’s forced fumble – “Just like stuff like that we’ve been missing for a while.” [08:23]
  • Momentum-shifting moments—Neyland’s postgame emotion helping galvanize team [08:41]

3. Rams and Stafford: The New NFC Power?

• 11:14 - 16:51
  • Bill: “Is anyone in the NFC good?” [10:11] The league feels wide open.
  • Rams look the most “buttoned up”; Stafford as MVP front-runner:
    • “Stafford’s 30 TDs, two picks, headed for 4,000 yards and probably looking decent for him to be the one seed.” [12:36]
    • Odds discussion: “He’s minus 220…this is the first time where it feels like there’s a prohibitive favorite now, right?” [13:10]
  • Sal & Bill muse on Stafford’s late-career bloom and possible historical comparisons (“There’s certainly no NBA player that peaked in their mid to late 30s…”) [14:28]
  • NFC playoff picture: Possible Rans–Eagles championship, Lions losing momentum, Bears winning close games, Viking QB woes

4. Eagles Hand-Wringing & NFC State of Play

• 16:51 - 19:21
  • Philly’s strangeness: Good record, constant griping. “Groundhog Day every week…there’s some griping, they’re fine, they win.” [16:50]
  • Eagles fans are left “with the perfect team for the city, for the fan base: good record, but they can still complain.” [17:10]
  • “If I still had a gun to my head, I go, Rams/Eagles for the NFC championship.” [17:50]
  • Lions' missed opportunity, Bears’ "Patriots luck" with opponents, NFC wild-card scenarios

5. An NFL Thanksgiving “Thank You” Session

• 22:29 - 27:53
  • The guys get sentimental about the Thanksgiving slate:
    • Sal: “I just love Thanksgiving so much, and what the NFL does. I hate birthdays…I feel like, oh, I made it to another Thanksgiving. And the NFL is going to show its appreciation by entertaining me all day.” [22:52]
    • Bill: “The football’s too good. Three must-watch games…Lions/Packers, Chiefs/Cowboys, Ravens/Bengals.” [23:20]
  • Ratings speculation for Turkey Day
  • Sal thanks the NFL; Bill thanks the Giants & Jets for not hiring Mike Vrabel: “I really appreciate it guys. You both needed coaches. … None of you took a shot.” [25:02]

6. Who’s the Next “Stafford” (Saved Star QB)?

• 27:54 - 28:34
  • Bill on McVay: “Thank you to [him] for saving Matthew Stafford.”—Wonders if there’s another stuck QB out there who needs rescuing
  • Comparison game: Is Trevor Lawrence the next “Stafford” if things break right? Probably not.

7. Broadcast Legends & Locker Room Speech Appreciation

• 28:36 - 31:46
  • Sal toasts Chris Collinsworth on 500 games: “Going to probably take him another 500 before he figures out how to pronounce ‘pass rush’…” [28:40]
  • Shout-outs to J.J. Watt, Greg Olson, Adam Amin/Drew Brees
  • Bill: “Thank the guy who came up with the idea of videotaping postgame speeches”—now one of his favorite parts of a sports week.

8. Other Prominent NFL Storylines

• Chiefs’ Comeback vs. Colts & KC as Houdini [39:39 – 45:05]
  • Chiefs rally down 20-9: “This was the scenario we wanted to see from the Colts, but they couldn’t do anything.”
  • Receivers step up, defense clamps down, but Mahomes—to Sal—looks “a little off.”
  • “He’s definitely a little off, right? Like he’s, he’s not bad, but he’s not exceptional.” [40:36]
• Bears Win Again: Voodoo Team Status [50:33 – 51:14]
  • “The Bears just get it done… Ben Johnson could maybe pre-tape those post-game speeches, it’s the same thing every week.” [19:12]

9. Thankfulness, Coaches, and Rants

• Thanks to McVay, more locker room speech talk, Bret Hart’s Montreal Screwjob gossip, and a moment about Brandon Nimmo departing Sal’s Mets. [31:46 – 33:34]

10. Notable, Repeat NFL Trends

• Ongoing Questions:
  • Can the Lions be trusted?
  • What do Bears’ close wins mean for the postseason?
  • Are the Giants the best “bad good team”?
  • Jameis Winston as a “must-watch” QB: “He’s too much fun. He’s fun for both teams today. 366, he caught a TD, did a weird dance, threw multiple almost picks…” [47:32]
  • McCarthy and Vikings’ QB struggles: “He has a shattered internal clock in his head.” [75:27]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the rollercoaster of Cowboys’ fandom:

  • Sal: “I really didn’t want to fall for this…The roller coaster ride you’re going…you tricked me into eating peas, and I wasn’t buying it. Then when they were down 21, nothing, I’m like f you to anybody who said they can win.” [05:07]

• On Stafford’s resurgent excellence:

  • Bill: “Stafford’s 30 TDs, two picks, headed for 4,000 yards and probably looking decent for the one seed.” [12:36]

• Thanksgiving football joy:

  • Sal: “I made it to another Thanksgiving. And the NFL is going to show its appreciation by entertaining me all day while I stuff my face with cranberries and Coke Zeros.” [22:52]

• Bill on NFL coaching decisions:

  • “One of my favorite things is to watch somebody just completely botch…a fourth and two situation. We lose a Brandon Staley…but I want six to eight coaches who mess this stuff up.” [33:43]

• Cowboys fan self-torture:

  • Sal: “You know how this is going to go: I’ll be vomiting up corn pudding next week when I could have just been rolling my eyes at the TV after we lose by 17. But whatever, let’s see it happen.” [06:32]

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Key Timestamps by Segment

• 00:00 – 04:50 : Primetime Game Recap & NFL TV schedule complaints
• 04:54 – 11:14 : Cowboys’ win, Pickens trade, Sal’s skepticism, Bill’s breakdown
• 11:14 – 16:51 : Rams as NFC front-runner, Stafford’s MVP case, playoffs
• 16:51 – 19:21 : Eagles’ recurring patterns, NFC championship outlook
• 22:29 – 27:53 : NFL Thanksgiving thanks, Vrabel, McVay, “next Stafford”
• 28:36 – 31:46 : Collinsworth’s 500th, booth nostalgia, postgame videos
• 39:39 – 45:05 : Chiefs’ comeback vs. Colts, KC’s playoff hopes, Mahomes’ play
• 50:33 – 51:14 : Bears voodoo & NFC North chaos
• 31:46 – 33:34 : Wrestling gossip, Nimmo, and sports sentimentality
• Various (Throughout): Jameis love, Giants as “bad good team”, coaching meltdowns, over/under lines, and general NFL chaos

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Guess the Lines Segment

(67:06 – End)
Bill and Sal dedicate a substantial portion to “Guess the Lines” for Week 13, adding banter, gambling philosophy, and game-by-game rapid reaction notes:

• Thanksgiving Day Games:
  • Lions vs. Packers: Home-field edge debated, both hosts lean Detroit
  • Chiefs at Cowboys: Both split on how to bet, unsure about public action
• Other Marquee Matchups:
  • Ravens/Bengals: "Not a lot of respect for the Ravens." [73:28]
  • Eagles/Bears Black Friday: Classic “Vegas zone” game.
• Miscellaneous:
  • Ongoing suspicion about the Lions, concerns about Patriots’ offensive line injuries, lamenting Vikings QB play, mockery of Raiders’ competence

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Parent Corner Highlights

[89:36 – 97:09]

• Sal shares son’s flag football championship—awarded MVP for smart, coachable play (“he does the little things”) and gets a gold Snoop Dogg necklace.
• Bill reflects on the psychology of dogs (missing family), shares recent witty (and raunchy) texts from his mother concerning TV, pop culture, and a Frankenstein adaptation.
• Musings on parental health updates: “What is the point of hiding medical shit from us?” [96:20]

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Tone & Language

The episode features Bill and Sal’s trademark rapport—equal parts irreverent, self-deprecating, and sharply sports-nerdy. They blend emotion (like thankfulness for football), pop culture jokes (Joe Walsh/Bill Walsh mix-up), and gambling realism, with salty references (“F you to anyone who said they could win!”), bemused exasperation (“The football’s too good!”), and occasional sardonic praise for NFL leadership.

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Most Memorable Segment

Thanksgiving “Thankfulness” Roundtable

• Mixes heartfelt love of NFL watching traditions with snarky thanks to coaches and execs for their foibles.
• Bill: “Thank you [to NFL teams] who didn’t hire Vrabel.”

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a quintessential Bill & Sal NFL rundown—packed with insights for avid fans and betters, featuring not just analysis but the meta-rollercoaster of being a sports fan. Major themes include how to process a wild, parity-filled NFL season, why Thanksgiving is the best football day, and the enduring weirdness of loving the Cowboys.

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For first-time listeners:
No prior knowledge required—Bill and Sal recap everything with fan-like enthusiasm, offer vivid scene-setting for NFL chaos, and sprinkle in just enough gambling context and pop culture riffing to keep it energetic all the way through.

Notable Quote:
Sal: “He makes our job simple. He does all the little things. He’s the easiest to coach. He’s a great teammate. He has tremendous field awareness, breaks off his route without flooding the zone. He does a million little things. And like, that. I felt good because I was like, well, he watches games with me in my stupid instruction…It kind of paid off.” [89:47]

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, you guys must just hate me to give me that. I mean I just. What, what do I get? I get seven points out of the Bucks and a shrimp cocktail. What a what kind of cheap. What a free entry into Matthew Barry's guillotine league. What a bunch of cheapskates this is. Give me a break.

[A]

Thanks for the tear in the punch bowl, Mike. Green Bay 40, 40 came three weeks after Buffalo 41, Baltimore 42 really good ones next week was Pats Bos. That was okay after that. Chiefs Lions. Chiefs won by 13. Niners 20, Atlanta 10, Green Bay Pittsburgh 35, 25. Eh, Seattle kills Washington. Chargers killed the Steelers. Eagles, Lions stink fast. And then this week. What's going on Monday night?

[B]

Not. Not a whole bet. Not a whole lot better Thursday night not great either.

[A]

I'm not sure I would say Thursday night's been the best night out of the three.

[B]

Has it?

[A]

We've had some good ones. Like Bill, Texans was pretty good on Thursday.

[B]

Your team one.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. That came back to be a good game. A lot of these games are just mostly unwatchable and then close at the end. You know what I mean?

[A]

Well, we had a really nice early game. Lightning round window near the end. We have Thanksgiving, three games on Thursday. We have Black Friday mid noon which is somehow an awesome game. Beers, Bears, Eagles. Then we got Sunday, then we got Monday. So we got a lot of football coming up. Rams. It feels like Stafford is now a prohibitive MVP front runner. But that's not what I want to start with.

[B]

They.

[A]

They now we talked last.

[B]

Of course it isn't. Yeah, why would you.

[A]

Well, we're going to talk about your team.

[B]

Yeah. All right. Oh, I see. Okay, that's good. That's good.

[A]

Let's start with your team. Rarely do we get to come on a Sunday night pod with some Cowboys. The five, five and one resurgent Cowboys. What's happening S?

[B]

I don't know. I really didn't want to fall for this I didn't because I know how it is. The media. You're. You're a member of the media, right? They want to get you excited. Yeah. You're in the. They want to get you excited about the Cowboys so they could tear them down. Like, I get it. I get the whole roller coaster ride. You're going, so it's like feeding a. Like a child peas, but here comes the airplane. But you tricked me into eating peas and I wasn't buying it. And then when they were down 21, nothing. I'm like f you to anybody who said they can win this game because we beat the Raiders. We're going to get excited about that. No. Yeah. And then Simmons, we really stepped up defensively. 107 yards on the last eight drives. Okay. Eagles were stupid. A lot of penalties. I think they had 14 penalties, so they're terrible. My God, there's so much to. To like about this team. There's so much that.

[A]

Pickens.

[B]

Pickens like that.

[A]

Is that the best trade of all time?

[B]

Like, forget Herschel Walker.

[A]

This, I think, is the best trade.

[B]

Of all time for a third rounder. Franchise tag, demand. Do it now.

[A]

Isn't he in the top five in receiving yards now? Or even. Maybe even higher?

[B]

Yeah, top five. Yeah, for sure. I think. Where is he now? He was 9 for 1. 46 today. He has more receiving yards than the whole Steelers team combined. So. Yeah, looking good. Fine.

[A]

Good.

[B]

Good move. Maybe by accident, Jerry, but good job by you.

[A]

I don't know. Got to give Jerry. Maybe Jerry this whole time, maybe he just knew. Maybe he knew it was happening.

[B]

Yeah, I'm looking at that +520 to make the playoffs. And I'm not by until they beat the Chiefs next week. And I know I'm going to be vomiting up corn pudding next week when I could have just been rolling my eyes at the TV screen after we lose by 17. But whatever, let's see it happen.

[A]

Let's do. Yeah. Pickens is the only. There's only 2,000 yard receivers right now, and he's one of them. JSN is Smith and Jigma is the other one. Yeah, I'll say this about your team. I watched them when I flew to New York on Monday. I watched every play of that game, which is one of the reasons I bet on the Browns today, because I just thought the Raiders were so bad on Monday night. It also made me think the Eagles were going to win today. But your team, two guys who can always get open. You can run the ball a hell of a lot better than you did last year. And then Dak, who was a little up and down the last few weeks when he's on and you can see it right away and he's threading those long ones so you have that. And then the defensive line is definitely a little different. Like you can stop the run. I mean, granted they traded a lot for Quinn and Williams, but it's, it looks a little more like a real defense. The part I don't understand is why team. Why guys aren't wide open all over in the secondary. That's one and then the other. The Eagles, like, where was Barkley today? You must have been doing backflips every time they didn't give Barkley the ball on anything.

[B]

Yeah, I mean we held him in check. In check, whatever. The first game. I think he's a little slowed down. I don't, I don't know what it is. Maybe it's injury. But you're. We're not seeing the same Barkley we saw last year for sure, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then our defense is a little better, I would say better than it was beginning of the year. I just, we got some guys who want to play for this coach and by the way, he's got his faults like every other coach. Like how they turn that ball over from the two yard line. They didn't run on second and third down when Javante Williams is scoring from that part of the field.

[A]

Four minutes left.

[B]

But just you could tell guys are going, you watch that Elijah Clark play on that punt, number 38, right? He's a, he's a free agent rookie from Syracuse. He, he, he gets chucked all over the field and then chases down and forces a fumble. Just like stuff like that we've been missing for a while.

[A]

Yeah. And the Neyland thing, I was watching some of the clips after the game on Monday night, which, you know, he was getting choked up thanking the team after and talking about them on Monday night. But you know, sports are weird. Sometimes something like that galvanizes a team. You only need like a couple of these little momentum things to push a season in a certain direction. But beating the Eagles, you know, especially coming back 21 nothing. I'm watching the game. I didn't lie, bet it. I didn't put my money where my mouth was in any capacity. But unlike with this Rams game today where the Rams took a lead, it's like this is done. It never feels done when the Eagles have a lead because we've seen this before, we've Seen them do it. They've done it multiple times this year. There's something about the pace of what they play, the way they call plays. You never really feel like they've put the game away. And I'm sure the way you throw the ball, you felt like you were in it. When it was 21 7, you're like, oh, we're still in it. We can get this.

[B]

Definitely. Especially the way we scored in 40 seconds to tie it right down 21:14, then we tied. I thought the Eagles, like everyone did this, I think set a record, especially in that four o' clock window. I'm like dizzy. I felt like I was tripping my face off on Molly watching all the dumb decisions, the quarterback decisions and coaching decisions. But yeah, the Eagles were doing stupid shit too. Like, I think it was a two minute timeout. Third and two. All you have to do is not get sacked there, Hertz. You know, you're going on fourth and one or fourth and two. He loses like nine and they're out of it. They're punting like what? We're getting the ball back here. So we got a little tight end.

[A]

Right over the middle too. It just kind of, kind of held the ball. Yeah, we had some good, we had some good bad coaching going on. The Jags Cardinals game was like a bad coaching Super Bowl. I didn't. I guess the Cardinals lost. That was awful. And then the Saints Falcons was pretty brutal too. But all right, so the Eagles final seven possessions, five punts, a fumble, missed field goal. That's how they ended it. Is anyone in the NFC good? Cause we were saying last week, I said to you, I thought the Eagles defense was the best unit in the nfc. Yeah, Cowboys. You know, Kate, when coming back and beating them, maybe that's not true anymore. The Rams seem like the most buttoned up. Like when I compare the Rams to like my team, like, you know, they get inside the 10 yard line, you know they're going to score, they're going to run really smart plays. They're just going to. They just have that little extra gear they have that they can. Kind of the killer instinct that I don't feel like the Patriots have had in the red zone. Is there anyone else? Is it's almost a Rams by default, right?

[B]

No. And I know we change our mind. I hate to be a prisoner of the moment because we just saw Chris's 500th game and it turned out to be a blowout. But they're just incredibly well balanced, especially in today's NFL right like, not going to be too many coaching brain farts or. Stafford's just phenomenal. And like Collins were trying to explain it. Like the Puka Nua phenomenon. Like, he's basically like two players because he plays like LT and just how he opens up, opens up zones. But I, I don't want to. Again, like, is this Kurt Warner's Rams with a better defense? Just, are they just going to blow through the playoffs? I'm looking at them at +2 20 for the NFC. Not a great price, but for God's sakes, who beats that team?

[A]

Yeah, I'm not ready for that yet. The thing that I like about them, they have these multiple options on like third and four, third and eight. And then they can go big. Like, they can. They can change their look depending on who they're playing. They can put in all those tight ends. They can try to air it out. They can run the ball so offensively it's probably the most, most complete team. And then you have the Stafford piece, who's now at 30 touchdowns and two picks. Your camera's like, I don't know if your camera could handle the Cowboys. I'm very excited.

[B]

It's getting an erection from the Cowboys.

[A]

Is what's going on? Is that what's happening? Is Jerry Jones filming it?

[B]

Should be okay now.

[A]

I don't know. Yeah, Stafford's 30 TDs, two picks headed for 4,000 yards and probably looking decent for him to be the one seed. And this is. We talk about MVP every week. This is the first time where it feels like there's like a prohibitive favorite now, right?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, and now there's clips of him throwing. No, look, touchdowns to the tight ends and stuff. So that just adds to it. But his numbers are just too good. What'd you say he was 27? No, he had 27 before today. Right.

[A]

He's 30 total, 30 touchdowns now. Did they put the. Did Fanduel put the awards back up? Yeah, they did.

[B]

I saw minus 220.

[A]

Yeah. So he's minus 22220 now. Yeah, I think that's fair. You could talk me into a three to one because now it's like a two horse race because May's plus two 20 and everyone else is 21 and up. Yeah. We'll talk about the Pats later. But May lost his left tackle today for at least a couple games. I don't. He's been okay the last couple weeks. I don't think he's been fantastic. Stafford's been fantastic.

[B]

He's okay.

[A]

What else? Don't do any names.

[B]

Synonym for okay.

[A]

Don't do it. The Pats fans already, Matt. Although the Pats fans have moved all of their anger towards Steve Bennet Smith. So I think you're good.

[B]

Good. Good.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Yeah. Well, we have so much in common. Yeah.

[A]

So I was thinking with Stafford, the first 12 years of his career, he was.03 in the playoffs. Right. And then famously goes to the Rams, puts together those rounds, wins the Super Bowl. He's only finished. What do you think for MVP finishes in his career? How many top 10 and how high did he get?

[B]

If you had to guess, I don't think it was just last week where he ended up. Over 500 for his career. Right. Yeah. So how many top. I don't know.

[A]

Based on the MVP finishes, how many.

[B]

Years has he been in?

[A]

He's like year 17. He's like 37 years old at this point. Four one.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

He finished eighth in 2023, as far as I could tell from my three minutes of research. Two Pro Bowls and that's it. And then when you look at the old QBs that have won a MVP, Brady won when he was 40, Rogers 38, 37, Manning 37, and then Rich Gannon and Wyatt Tittle 37. So he doesn't turn 38 till after the season. So he would be one of the oldest ever to win. But this is pretty. I was trying to think of other. Other athletes and then other possible situations where this could happen. Like that this is if Trevor Lawrence was better. Trevor Lawrence ten years from now, if he ended up on a good team and we were like, wow, he was good all along, but Stafford was always better than Trevor. I don't even know what the comparison is.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think you can make it. Like, I guess if Geno Smith had gone a little further last year or two years ago, we know it might.

[A]

Happen for him in the UFL or whatever the.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. I think you're right. Like, Elway. Elway was like, kind of steady. You know, the stats weren't great, but. How old was he when he won? I guess he was old.

[A]

Yeah. But he made multiple Super Bowls. Yeah. So he was probably in the MVP for. Right. Oh, wow. But, yeah, I don't. I. I don't really. I can't think of another comparison to this.

[B]

Yeah, I wish I had given it some thought.

[A]

I don't know. There's certainly no NBA player that peaked in their mid to late 30s. Like for the first time went up a level, but just week after week, he's looked like he's the best quarterback. I don't. You know, Mahomes kind of came on a little bit today. Allen took a step back on Thursday. May, the last couple weeks, I think, spent a little off, although he had an awesome game today. But. Yeah, and then, you know, when you look at going forward with the. With the way this goes, Seattle might be the second best team in the NFC if Philly can't figure out their shit. I don't really understand what's going on with Philly other than that. It seems like Groundhog Day every week with them. They're unhappy, there's some griping, they're fine, they win. See, we're fine. All the naysayers take it over here. Then they have another. It's like a rinse, lather, repeat situation that they won the super bowl last year, so you can't bitch about them too much, but it's. Something does seem a little off, but I can't really place it. I watched that whole Cowboys game and I thought that, you know, they just seemed like they were going to score every time they had the ball.

[B]

And when A.J. mazone scores, right, and he's like spiking the ball in your face and everything, like, oh, man, that's it. Like that. If that guy's right, if they're in sync with him, that's all it needs, really. Right? But you go, you got the lineman out, you know? You know, you know, I don't know. I don't know what it is. What, you think it's Big Dom? You think these players owe Big Dom a lot of money?

[A]

I think the lineman might be a piece of it. And you made a key point. Like Barkley doesn't look like he did last year. And he had. What did he have, like, 450 touches or something last year? He, like, shattered the curse of 370. Yeah, I don't know. It's. All I know is this is the team. Philadelphia, this is the perfect team for the. For the city, for the fan base. Good record. They can complain they lost this Dallas game. Multiple Eagle fans in my life, like, just the entire week now ruined. Might carry over into Thanksgiving. They have this Black Friday game looming. It's the Voodoo Bears, who the hell knows? But I don't think you can catch them.

[B]

But also, they're gonna be fine. They're gonna be fine, right? Like, if I still had a gun to my head, I go, Rams, Eagles. I don't Know how the seedings match up. But that would be my NFC championship. The Lions certainly didn't look great. Not sold on the packers now with Bucks and Baker like that was my super bowl team. That sucks him going down. I hope he's not out too long. But that was his bad shoulder from, from before. What was that play even? I don't even know. I know he was trying to throw Hail Mary, but how did his left shoulder get banged up? He fell on it.

[A]

He threw it and it seemed like as he was throwing it something happened to the shoulder that he wasn't throwing the ball or he was already hurt. You know what's interesting about that Bears Eagles game next week potentially for the two seed. Which is crazy because the Bears every week win by three points. It comes down to the last two minutes. You never feel great about it. And then Ben Johnson has a video after and does this whole thing. But Philly and the Bears are both eight and three. That's the two seed because it's either Rams or Seattle. And then the other one would be the 5 seed Green Bay 7, 3 and 1. It feels like they have at least two more losses in them. Other than that I don't. I don't really see anybody. So I don't know what to do.

[B]

With the Bears anymore. Right. Like they just get it done. I know. Like, you know, Ben Johnson could maybe pre tape those post game speeches because it's.

[A]

They reran the one. It was a repeat today.

[B]

That was a repeat.

[A]

Yeah, it was like when they used to re repeat the 80 sitcoms in our track.

[B]

SNL.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's on vacation.

[A]

That wasn't a live one this week. The camera wasn't working. They just ran it back.

[B]

I mean you're not going to like this but you know. Well, Caleb hasn't thrown a pick in five weeks. So that's great. And they, they pick up turnovers at the right times, it seems all the time. But they're also having Patriots ask luck wise as to which quarterbacks they're facing. It's like Rudolph, McCarthy, Dart, Flacco, Huntley. I wrote these down. Rattler, Gino. These are all either first or last year quarterbacks or worse.

[A]

Yeah. And Caleb, it's okay if you actually watch the game. There's missed throws. There's like. I think he had 26% of his passes today were uncatchable. Was the stat. But. But didn't. Didn't turn the ball over. Has a couple really nice scrambles and just like hangs around just enough for them, so it's okay. Unlike J.J. mcCarthy the Bill Simmons podcast is brought to you by FanDuel this Thanksgiving. FanDuel introducing a brand new way to parlay together. Oh I like when we parlay together. It's called pass the leg. Here's how it works. Start a group, add your pick, pass it to your friends, almost like you're passing them, I don't know, stuffing. And then they can add theirs. And when everyone's done, you can each lock in the parlay with your own funds on top. Everyone gets a 50% profit boost to use on their build. I really like this idea. I think on Tuesday I'm going to come up with what I want to put in this past life parlay. I've not looked at next week's games yet, but we have two really good games next week, including the Chiefs are playing, the Cowboys are playing. There's some good ones next week in Missouri. Get ready. FanDuel going live on December 1st FanDuel play your game. You must be 21 plus President select states or 18 plus in President, D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Opt in required bonus issued as non withdrawable profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including any token expiration, max wager amount. See [e-mail], gamprom call 100 Gambler or visit rg-help.com, call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org ChatInCenetic this episode is brought to you by Michelob Ultra. The NBA cup is back. It's sure to be thrilling. As always. I think the one thing I always like with the NBA cup what team is going to come out of nowhere and kind of plant their flag and make us believe in them going forward? Because a big spotlight, national tv, good crowds. Who's going to kind of step up in the playoff atmosphere? The best moments are served cold, just like big Globe Ultra or a freshing beer with only 95 calories. Plus Ultra is also helping you see all the excitement up close and in person. With a chance to win courtside tickets, Mig Globe Ultra Superior is worth playing for. Enter now at michelobaltra.com courtside Michelob Ultra Courtside 25 to 26 no purchase necessary. Open US Residents 21+ begins on October 1, 2025 ends on June 30, 2026. Multiple entry periods. See official [e-mail] courtside for free entry, entry deadlines, prizes and details. There's a bunch of games talking about you want to give some thanks as we head toward Thanksgiving? Anybody you want to thank?

[B]

I got a feeling.

[A]

Thankful.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I want to thank. Looking ahead, the NFL, you know, we crap, you know, most of our hour and a half is like talking about how is. But it's an amazing slate of Thanksgiving games, right? Detroit, Green Bay, Dallas, kc, Cincy, maybe Burrow, but probably not at Baltimore. It's my favorite day.

[A]

I think it's going to be Burrow.

[B]

You think he's. That's what he saved it for.

[A]

I think it will be Burrow.

[B]

They know what they're doing, huh? Yeah, I. I just love Thanksgiving so much and what the NFL does. Like, I hate birthdays. I think you do, too, now. Like, they're kind of grim. You don't want to celebrate them. Right. But Thanksgiving, I feel like, oh, I made it to another Thanksgiving. And the NFL is going to show its appreciation by entertaining me all day while I stuff my face with cranberries and Coke Zeros. I love it.

[A]

But there's a problem with this Thanksgiving.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

The football's too good.

[B]

I know, I know.

[A]

Three must watch games. I mean, you could argue there's one, two.

[B]

No, they're all. Of course they're watching.

[A]

There's six. There's six good games out of the 15 this week. And three of them are on Thursday. Like, what are they, 50% of the games and one Friday.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Lions, Packers, Chiefs, Cowboys. I mean, Chiefs, Cowboys. I don't think they. They hit the jackpot with that. That's one of the most entertaining matchups we could come up with. Then Ravens, Bengals with the Burrow comeback. And then right next day, like noon the next day, we got Eagles, Bears. So said noon ET or noon pt? I can't remember.

[B]

Noon pt, I think.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I think. But you know. Yeah, we should have known better. I'm not saying anything's set up or anything, but we should have made Dallas moneyline parlay with KC because they're both relevant now. They're both coming off wins. It's exactly what the league wanted. They have a chance to break the 50 million mark. I think the record was 42 million, like three years ago. Cowboys, Giants, on Thanksgiving, it's if I put it at 46 and a half million. You go over under that.

[A]

50 million seems high. Wait, so who is that? Fox or CBS for that game?

[B]

Fox gets the morning, right?

[A]

Oh, yeah. Fox gets Green Bay, Detroit, Kansas city. Dallas is CBS. Okay, Jim? That's right. 50 million viewers.

[B]

Let's do it very exciting. So that's my thanks the NFL.

[A]

Who do you think I'm going to thank? The Giants and the jets for not hiring Mike Frable.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I really appreciate it guys. You both needed coaches. The jets brought back Salah last year when it was clear he didn't have the magic anymore. And Vrabel is available and they're like, eh, let's see what we have with Salah one more year. Maybe it'll be different this year. Nope. And then the Giants could have hired him two years ago and then they decided to bring back day ball this year passed up Vrabel again. Not that at that point I think Variable thought he had a chance to get Drake made. But I'd like to thank all the teams that passed on Mike Vrabel.

[B]

Damn, this all really worked.

[A]

12 and 5. One year who made the AFC title game. Another year who never had a confident quarterback better than like Ryan Tannehill and you know, was coaching the Browns. What was he doing for the Browns last year? He was like special game management coordinator.

[B]

Just like he sold luxury suites. Yeah. I don't know what he did. Possible he might have. He might have passed on them too though, right? Like they might have. The agent might have sent it along.

[A]

I think he roped up the Jets a little to make Kraft worried that he was going to sign with the jets because that makes sense. You know, it's like if you and I were potentially like top seven NFL coaches and we were going to take a new job, our one chance to redo our destiny, to show everyone how awesome we were as a coach, I want to know I have a qb. That's the only. I'm not even coming back until I have the qb. So I'm going to Dallas, I'm going to New England. I'm going anywhere where it's like I have somebody I can build around. And Vrabo, that's what he told everybody that I know who knows Vray Bul was like I went there because of Drake. Maybe was like it's cool I played for the Patriots. Whatever. It was like Drake may was the reason I went there.

[B]

I think you're so right. And the luxury you have being fired as a coach or leaving and you have like a year off if you're still a football junkie. You get to like we do watch those 1pm games and never does it stand out more that you need a quarterback than right from 1 to 4 eastern. Right. So yes, I think you're right. That was the next step.

[A]

And I don't think the Bears were on the table because they were fired up from for Ben Johnson. But if he had a choice between Caleb and Drake May that would have. Well maybe we'll find out 30 years from now he would have taken I have another thanks. I'd like to thank Sean McVeigh for saving Matthew Stafford all those years ago because we just don't have enough good quarterbacks. Matthew Stafford was on Detroit getting the shit kicked out of him year after year. He had a couple good receivers. Now you get to see him this awesome offense that's been really fun to watch for half a decade now. So thank you to him and I hope there's another qb. I don't know who the next Stafford is, like who the next savior QB is because he really checked a lot of the boxes. I don't think there's another one sitting there.

[B]

I don't think there's anyone. So what you'd have to look at is oh who's stuck up, who's a great quarterback stuck on a bad team. I guess Herbert had a shot for a minute but they would make the playoffs though right? Like so I don't know.

[A]

Ever had some success? Lawrence's Lawrence is I think checks the most amount of boxes but he's not Stafford. You could say oh he had that Urban Meyer year. He's always been in a bad situation, blah blah blah and you could talk yourself into it. But Stafford, you know, for years it was always like oh man, if only that guy could find a good team. I feel so bad for him being with that fucked up plan.

[B]

Think about those miserable Thanksgiving games that he had to start and just get his ass beat every, every year. Wasn't his fault.

[A]

But what's your next one?

[B]

You know What, I'll thank Collinsworth 500 telecast.

[A]

Yeah right. Why not?

[B]

It's gonna probably take him another 500 before he figures out how to pronounce pass rush. But I love the voice, I love the insight and I'm gonna miss it if he ever hangs it up like we. You know I watched that Cowboys documentary and one thing that stood out to me or one of the things is Madden and Sumrall how big they made again. Right? I know Vin in baseball and then these guys go away and I don't think AI is going to be ready yet to just throw their voices in the booth after they move on. That would be pretty cool but I don't know if we'll ever, we'll ever get there. So good job by you Chris.

[A]

Collinsworth, Buck and Aikman and Collinsworth probably have the pedigree of like, this feels like a bigger game because these guys are doing it. There's some good guys on the horizon, though. I think J.J. watts been really good this year.

[B]

Very good.

[A]

Olson's been really good for a while. I, I gotta say, I thought Adam Amin and Drew Brees were good today.

[B]

I couldn't hear them.

[A]

I think Adam Amin's good. I don't know. They did one of the, I think one of the later games.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But wait, I have it written down because I, I, I did. They do. Oh, they did Saints Falcons. Oh, the f. They did the Saints Falcon disaster.

[B]

Adam, just to stay awake, I give him kudos.

[A]

Yeah. Adam Amin bounces back. The Sanchez thing happens. It's like, am I going to have a partner? And Drew Brees comes, comes flying in. All right, I'm going to thank, I'm going to thank the guy who came up with the idea that we should start videotape in the locker room post game speeches.

[B]

Yeah. Smart.

[A]

This has really been a breakout year. I now actively look for them after games. I can't wait for the Ben Johnson one. Brable, I feel like, has been kind of mailing them in. To be honest. He's just kind of, I think he knows they're videotaped. I don't think he wants to say anything crazy. Ben Johnson is now doing like late 80s ultimate warriors. Like, when I see you at the Nassau Coliseum, brother, like, he's like fucking really going for it. I enjoy him. I enjoy your coach. I think he's been really good. He can get, he can start screaming, then he can go low. But I've really enjoyed them all the way around. I think they've been great.

[B]

I think it's like the best part of Hard Knocks, right? Like when the coach, like, really good. All we have left and we get it every week. Yeah. It's a lot of fun. These guys, I don't know, we talked about this like last year, like May is it they consider this for coach of the year. Like, I don't know. I think kind of stick to win.

[A]

Losses then locker of speech.

[B]

Yeah. Like, this guy's making a difference. Yeah.

[A]

Stefanski had a really good month today for the Browns.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

He went through and he went this guy. And then he's like, how about Shadow in his first start, just immediately went going to the next guy.

[B]

Right?

[A]

He didn't like, give my green ball nothing because he wanted to get to Miles Garrett. Because miles Garrett has 18 sacks.

[B]

Yeah. But.

[A]

Yeah, I. I think the next evolution of this is. I think we need to also see the losing speeches now.

[B]

Oh, that's true. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's good.

[A]

We. We need to see, like, Sirianni after that Eagles game. Like, all right, guys. Can't win them all. No game balls today. I'll see you Tuesday. Like, I don't even know.

[B]

But we never get to see those in three hours. Yeah. Sorry, guys. Yeah. I feel like, you know, the NCAA does that. Know when they have their march, Matt. When they have the. They reveal the brackets. They'd show the teams going crazy. They don't show the teams that are upset anymore. Nobody wants to show negative stuff anymore. But I think you're right. Yeah. Bring that back. I got a couple of.

[A]

Anyone else to thank?

[B]

Well, you brought up wrestling. I don't want to thank Brett the Hitman Hart. I mean, WWE hall of Famer, gossip columnist extraordinaire. Look it up if you have to. Yikes. Sorry to do that. I want to thank.

[A]

Let's talk about it.

[B]

We can.

[A]

All right. And. And it seem serious. He said that the Montreal Screw Job. The origins were that Vince McMahon and Shawn Michaels had a love affair. And that's why Vince McMahon was trying to do right by Shawn Michaels. And the host of the. It seemed like a live show. The host thought Bret Hart was kidding. And Bret Hart's like, I'm not kidding.

[B]

I'm serious. He's so angry.

[A]

He's still mad. It was a whole new meaning to the Montreal Screw Job. I had no idea. Right.

[B]

He just didn't have it that night. Night. Like, come on. But. All right. But that's good, though. It's fun.

[A]

It was crazy. What else you had?

[B]

Brandon Nimmo traded is a. A great met. I know you're going to laugh at.

[A]

That, but you're switching Sports.

[B]

I'm sorry. 13 pick in 2011. Stayed with this. How often does a guy stay. 14 years. Almost a thousand hits. Big home run against the Filthies last year. Played hard. Likable dude. And I thank him mostly for sticking around so my kids could wear his jersey year after year. Like, not replace it. So save me a little money. We'll miss you. Brandon Nemo.

[A]

Go ahead. Bob. Bob Nemo. What was his name?

[B]

Brandon Nemo. Huh?

[A]

I was just being a dick.

[B]

Stop it.

[A]

Come on. My. The. We're about to hit a free agency winner where the Red Sox aren't going to actually do anything.

[B]

Who do you have?

[A]

I have. I have bad coaches. I'd like to thank. You know, we lose a Brandon Staley, we lose an Antonio Pierce, we lose a Gerard Mayo. And one of my favorite things is to watch somebody just completely botch, you know, either a fourth and two type of situation, the last two minutes of a half, some sort of game management thing. And you know, deep down, I want to live in a world where we have six to eight coaches each year who will just fuck this stuff up. And then you have Aaron Glenn down three points in the second half to the Ravens on his own 42 and a fourth and two with maybe the worst offense in the AFC. I don't know, it's in the top three. And he decides, yeah, you know what, we're going to go for this. And doesn't get it. And all of a sudden it's 177 and the game's over.

[B]

You have that.

[A]

You have all the stuff Jonathan Gannon did you have even your coach who's done a good job this year, just completely fucking up all the stuff that happened in the last three minutes. When they're inside the five yard line.

[B]

Did you say Liam Cohn? Down fourth and two, they could go up six.

[A]

And then the Jags guy was my favorite. I was, I. That was. So what was it? There was two minutes left playing Arizona. They have a quarterback who's already had four turnovers. There's no pass or run play on that fourth and two. That I think was going to work for the Jaguars that I can come up with having watched that entire game.

[B]

And it was fourth and two. It wasn't even fourth and a half. Fourth and one. We could entertain a quarterback sneaky. It's that play where the quarterback rolls right and the tailback releases. And if they pick up the tailback, you are screwed because now you got nowhere. And they threw it deep to the end zone. The guy's like twisting around and it didn't work. Yeah, that sucked. That was real. By the way, you have a kicker who could nail a field goal from Tucson and you pass up on it, you know, only would have been a 45 yard field goal anyway.

[A]

Well, it speaks to how little faith that in the special teams. Because he's like, if we go up six, we're gonna kick the ball off and they're gonna have the ball at the 40, go 60 yards and beat us. Right. If we get this, we can win. The problem was that Lawrence was very close to five turnovers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who's there? Any other ones you want to thank?

[B]

Not really. I want to thank I want to thank my dynamite legal team I've assembled to sue Pablo Torre. Not. I'm not sure what my claim is going to be, but I'll figure it out later.

[A]

That a podcast about you yet?

[B]

Whatever. I'm done.

[A]

It's a preliminary.

[B]

I just want to let him know.

[A]

I'm suing you proactively. Going to sue him before he does anything.

[B]

Thanking my attorneys ahead of time. Yeah.

[A]

I'd like to thank everybody who hires old coaches from now on going forward. Any head coach that's 74 and over, I think if somebody hires them, the comedy that's going to come from. That's going to be great. Like the Raiders today fired Chip Kelly, their offensive coordinator. He lasted 11 weeks. Somehow all of this was his fault. But between that and Belichick on 4 and 7, I think we might, we might have, that's, that might have hit a wall here with old coaches. Yeah, I think mid-70s politicians and head coaches, that might be it.

[B]

Because they want another year. Adam. Yeah. The Chip Kelly thing is interesting. Tate and I predicted this in the beginning of the week, and now he's probably. Yeah, like he's going to be gone. Like they have to get rid of somebody. And I think they want, they want Pete Carroll stay, stick around another year and Chip Kelly will probably get one of these big college jobs. Who knows Florida, who knows where, where he'll go? But, yeah, that's just, I, I, I felt for, I, I felt for Gino today, right. Like 10 sacks for minus 77 yards. Give me a break.

[A]

But you could see it coming from the Monday night game. Your entire defensive line was in the backfield every, every time. Yeah, the. I don't think Gino's moving like he did five years ago either, which is.

[B]

Another five months ago. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Or maybe he's taken some, some hits. I feel bad for Pete Carroll, though. This is, I guess, how it ends. We've seen a lot of, a lot of great head coaches over the years. Either they stay too one year too long or they take that one last job. Like people don't remember when Joe Walsh came back. When not Joe Walsh.

[B]

Bill Walsh.

[A]

I think I'm getting old.

[B]

Joe Gibbs. Life's been good.

[A]

Joe Walsh. When Eagles guitarist Joe Walsh came back. No, Joe Gibbs. Jimmy Johnson came back. Parcels had that last run in the Cowboys, but it seems like that last, that last go round, even then, I.

[B]

Think you could maybe pull it off with Parcells and Jimmy Johnson. The players are just so different now. And the salaries and every other Structure thing and the not allowed to practice. And I feel bad, especially bad for Carroll because he's not one of these guys is collecting a paycheck. Like after their fifth sack there was a TV timeout and he ran on the field. He's like, we can't have another sack. It's like, well, there's going to be five more.

[A]

Sorry, Pete.

[B]

Yeah, but yeah, that's a mess.

[A]

Get ready. All right, let's talk about some of the other games. Chiefs, Indy is the, the big one that we didn't talk about yet. Chiefs are down 20 to nine, threatening to go five and six for the season. Offense looked a little choppy and two things happened. Rice got going. I think Rice had 111 yards. I think that might have all been in the second half. But Indy ended the game with four straight three and outs. Last four times they had the ball, including overtime, three and out. They only had 10 first downs for the game. The 11 penalties in a 68 minute game. They only had the ball for 25 minutes, 255 total. They're on the road outdoors. This was the scenario that we wanted to see with the Colts and they couldn't do anything. And I do think it meant something because this was like if you're going to tell me you're going to do the 99 Rams and you're just going to be indoors the entire time or the 09 saints, we're never going to have to worry about you outdoors in cold weather having to do something. It's one thing, but I don't think they're going to be a one seed. And it didn't seem like they trusted Jones and they couldn't run the ball and put the game away like I thought they could. What did you see in that second half?

[B]

Well, I want to give all star positive. I want to give the defensive defense credit. I mean you went over it, kc but they held Indie scoreless in the third quarter, the fourth quarter and an overtime. Right. So Spags really stepped up and he had to. But yeah, I thought I loved the Chiefs today and they didn't cover but I thought the Colts, I was like, well this is going to be a game like when they went to Pittsburgh a couple weeks ago and it was like a must win for Pittsburgh and they kind of no showed and they got pushed around. It wasn't that at all. Like they jumped out at that. And Mahomes, he's definitely a little off, right? Like he's, he's not bad, but he's not exceptional. He's not, he's. He's. I guess you're not supposed to roll left as a righty and complete a 30 yard pass in the middle of the field. Right? So now he's just like overthrowing guys a little bit, but he's getting it together. You said, you said those receivers stepped up and that's what they need. Whenever they need like a big run out of Kareem Hunt on 3rd and 3 or whatever, they get it, so. And they want a one score game, which they haven't. So maybe this gets them going.

[A]

It doesn't seem like he's connecting on those deep balls just anymore. It almost feels like it's now surprising if he hits one. He's moving really well though. Like his scrambling is still really good. I think I thought he had a couple of big scrambles today and you know, the inside. Either the red zone 10 or zone 10. Just weird shit has happened with them this whole season. Like the turnover today, you know, these are like Trevor Lawrence type of turnovers that I just don't remember seeing from him before. But you know, I thought that was a good win for the Chiefs, but I thought that was a horrible loss for the Colts. They really could have. Especially like with what happened with the Patriots today and some of the injuries to the offensive line that the Colts could have. They could have locked down potentially a one seed and the momentum for it because they win the tiebreaker against Denver. You know, the Pats, who knows when Will Campbell's going to come back but. And instead it's going the other way. We were texting middle of the week about Colts to miss the playoffs was what, plus 720, something like that, plus 7, 10. And the scenario was just who they have the rest of the way here because there were. So now they're eight and three.

[B]

Well, they have both against the Jags and both against the Texans left. Like that's the weird part, right?

[A]

Houston next week. Yeah, they played their four rivals four times and they're at Seattle and they're home for San Francisco. And we were saying like what if they go one in five, right. You know, what if they only win one more time? Could 9 and 8. Is that even a playoff team? I guess they'll win two, but they're not leaving themselves enough error for a team that enough room for error for a team that seemed like they were going to be the guarantee.

[B]

It's asking a lot that they don't make the playoffs, I think at this point. But the division the Texans at 7 to 1. They have some work to do though, right?

[A]

They.

[B]

But you talk about impressive units like that. Texans defense is the most impressive unit in that division for sure.

[A]

So they're seven on the winning division now and the Jags are plus two seven and the Jags are the worst of the three. I don't think there's any question. They're just a ridiculous dude, but they. I will say this with Houston, and I was glad I listened to your show with the Bundle and Heifetz on Friday. I felt the exact same way. I do think we overreacted the Thursday games because I was flying back from New York so all the shows were on. I was watching Get Up. There were six people on Get Up. At one point Schrager, he was like Tom Castaway, just drawing help in the sand as Bart Scott talks for a minute straight followed by another 2 minute Ordlapsky monologue.

[B]

Schrager got his pocket picked, he lost his wallet and there's no telling who because just so many people on set, there's no telling where who got it.

[A]

Can't find it. But I was watching those shows for. I had just had them on, on, on JetBlue. Right. And you would have thought Buffalo blew their season. It's like, dude, they, they played, they had three days rest. They were going into Houston playing the best defense in the league. And FYI, they were on the 10 yard line trying to score like they almost won the game.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I know Allen got sacked and he didn't look great. But, but I just, I just. We can't overrate those Thursday games. Like the Rams lost to the Mac Jones and overtime on a Thursday. The Thursday games are stupid.

[B]

They are. You know, and more than be careful. Yeah. It's like you can't count the Bills out like it was only it was a couple of years ago. They won six in a row. Right. Didn't have to win six in a row against tough teams down the stretch to make the playoffs. So as long as Josh Allen is healthy, you know, it's just a slap in the face for people who count these teams out.

[A]

They have the same problem they had a month ago where I don't really know what they're doing on third and eight. We've talked about it, I feel like multiple times on the pod, but they don't have that one like Devonte Adams, what he's become on the Rams, what Diggs has been for the Patriots all year. They don't have that one guy. I know where they're going, but you know, Josh Palmer's like they're easing him back in because he was injured. I wonder if maybe he. I'm just. I'm not even close to counting that team out yet.

[B]

That's a great defense, that Texans defense.

[A]

So the Chiefs, amazing. Basically saved the season today, although I think maybe seven losses is it. So that would have been six today, but now they have to play Thursday. They have to play your stupid team and your team's going to throw the ball on them.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know what to expect, honestly. I just. I know I'm going to have Ajita watching that game, but I don't know if we have like a 10 point lead and blow it or how it, how it turns out. But I think Spagnolo is going to pressure Dak and that's what. We haven't seen too much from a lot of these teams. And whether. Whether he could withstand that is going to tell if they win it or not. I don't know. It's probably going to be a close game. We'll go over the spread. But it surprised me.

[A]

Brutal. Lions, so actually.

[B]

Minus 240, by the way. I think I texted you like when they were down 5. I was like, they're minus 102 to make the playoffs and now everything's right in the world. Minus 240.

[A]

Lions survived the Giants. They won an OT and they basically won because Jake Gibbs had a 59 yarder, 10 regulation.

[B]

Did he?

[A]

That made it by like. It made it by like this much. It just got through. And then they win an OT. Lions, 7 and 4. Now Laporta's out for the year. I don't know. I. It doesn't. Something's missing with that team. I thought the Giants should have won. That was the most interesting game to me. Whereas like the Giants clearly should have won. Fucked it up, left the game on the table. But you know, did you talk about that coach too?

[B]

Did you say that? That was a terrible thing. And I liked him too. Like he had these trick plays. I was like, this is a guy. Kafka wants a job next year.

[A]

This is what you do.

[B]

You don't sit there like a lame duck, you know, like you. But he could have taken three points from the six yard line that would have put them up six with a couple minutes left. It's a little too maverick there. I think that's kind of sealed the deal for him getting hired. I don't think. I don't think it's happening.

[A]

Now, yeah, it almost seemed like he felt good. Even if they didn't get it, that golf would have to go basically 70 yards.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And guess what? Detroit went 70 yards. I, I feel like we have this podcast, this exact podcast discussion every year. I just feel like Jameis has to be one of the 32 starting QBs. It might have to be like a law, right? We watch like there's six shitty QBs every week. It just needs to be a law that Jameis has to be one of the 32. He's too much fun. He's fun for both teams today. 366, he caught a TD. He did a weird TD dance. He threw multiple almost picks and just did. It was the full Jameis.

[B]

I loved it. I was watching Mahomes and Jackson struggle, Lamar, and I was like, all right, it's one thing if the great quarterbacks want to take a week off, a couple weeks off, whatever, but one of the bad quarterbacks in the turn the ball over. Like Jameis didn't really do it until the end and he had 10 receptions of 10 catches of 20 plus yards. Like that's insane against that defense. How does the Lions defense look so soft at home after a win?

[A]

You know, we have the good bad teams. Yeah, I always talk about it. It's probably Jacksonville this year. I think the Giants are the bad good team. They're 2 and 10. I have them in five either or games and they lost all five. They've blown five double digit leads on the road. They've played the Lions, they played tough. The packers, the Bears, the Broncos, they played tough. The Chargers, they played tough. They played your team tough and they've had a bunch of injuries too. But they, I don't know, they're out of all the bad teams, that's the one. I was even nervous about putting the Lions in a parlay as it got closer to Sunday, thinking about like, ah, why did I trust the Lions so much? Are we sure they're even good?

[B]

Right?

[A]

And then it turns out they have.

[B]

This graphic where the, the Giants lost all these games and It'll show like one game they were up 17 with six minutes left. One game they were beating the Cowboys with like 40 seconds. Like, oh my God. When it looks side by side, it's crazy. But the good thing about them is the little Patriots esque and that you know they're going to be. There's, there's promise for next year, right? You get neighbors back, you get scatterable back, you get dart back. You got that Good front seven for the most part. You know, they pressure the quarterback. So I see. I could see, well, who is it though? That's what they. They deserve a good coach. And I think a good coach will bite there. So that's what's going to be interesting.

[A]

It's a little different than last year where Vrabo and Ben Johnson were clearly the best two guys last year. And this year I don't feel like there's people like tornado wise. Yeah, it's a pretty good job though. Guy like Dart, you just have to tell Dart to not try to run into seven guys at once. They have some good blue chippers on both sides of the ball. But yeah, the Lions, we'll find out this week. They're playing the Packers. You know, the Bears keep winning and it's turning into a. If the Bears just, they. It's just going to be one of those goofy seasons where they go like 12 and 5 and nobody understands how, then that means it's Lions versus Packers for one playoff spot. So here's what I think could decide.

[B]

It going for them. The Lions, they have the best player in the division. I mean, Jameer Gibbs is phenomenal. Like, I don't want to compare him to Barry Sanders, but he's that electric, you know? Yeah. And you could tell within a second if he's going to score from the 40 yard line. I went against him in fantasy. He had 69.8 points. I mean, oh, my God, they should cap it. It should never be 670 points. That's 50. Yeah. Yeah. It's like when you're golfing, like you can't get a 12 on this hole. Everybody gets. It's just not fair. But I think he needs to touch the ball every three plays. And you could, you could convince me that it's every play.

[A]

Honestly, 264, all purpose for him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then the Bears out voodooed the. The voodoo Steelers, Pittsburgh, they got the fumble td they stay. We're playing all the hits, right? The fumble TD, they got another dumb turnover. They ran for 186 yards. They're running these stupid plays. You're like, oh, my God, how did that work? Mason Rudolph's the quarterback. And then the Bears ended up holding them off and. And 8 and 3. The Bears fans are pumped. I'm happy for the Bears fans. I think even they know, like, this is a little Smoke and Mary Z, but at some point in the NFL, this is what happens during a season. Sure, you start winning these week after week, you start believing you're going to win them.

[B]

They worked out. They got the good coach, they got the quarterback who's not screwing up, and they're right there. They're in a. You know, their division is wacky this year, right? This was. We thought for sure this was the best division in football. And now, week to week, we don't know which team is going to survive January.

[A]

It was the best division in football. The problem is they have one stinky team in the division, and it's a stinky team because they just completely missed on this quarterback. My God. McCarthy was 12 for 19 for 87 today. Two picks, five sacks. And Lombardi always used to talk about this with. When you stay with the qb, who clearly you can't win with, and you move into that, you could lose the locker room territory where all these guys. Football is this violent, brutal sport. You're just. Week after week, you're just killing yourself to get out there, and you're lifting and you're just taking these hits and playing with concussions and injuries, all these different things. And when you have a shit quarterback, it's not like in basketball, where it's like, oh, our point guard's kind of a shithead. Like, all right, fine, I'll just shoot some threes. Like in football, you can't. And he's so bad. I actually. I didn't bet the Vikes this week, but I did. I did put small moneyline parlay on them. Just. I was. I was just curious, like, oh, what happens if he is good? This was the week where it's like, this guy. I don't see it. It's. It's probably never happening.

[B]

Can I tell you, speaking of shitheads, what I did? Like, what. You know, I can't really make fun of these coaches for making dumb decisions when I do the same as a. As a better. As an avid gambler, I'm making the same dumb moves every week. Why take the Raiders minus three and a half against anyone. I don't care if they're playing Austin B. Right. Short week, no less. You know, why take the Saints? Oh, everyone's got the Saints. You like, shock. Okay, Everybody was on the Saints. They lost. I had Minnesota on a three. Team teaser plus 16 and a half. They lost 23. Seven. I'm. I'm the biggest idiot in the NFL.

[A]

10 first downs. He. He's completely murdered Justin Jefferson's fantasy season and maybe his life for as a fantasy guy.

[B]

Addison too. Nothing. Yep.

[A]

What was on a scale of one to ten? Ten. Is Larry Fitzgerald for like three years on the Cardinals. Right. Jefferson's like an eight because it's the combo of not only you're not going to make big plays with this guy as your quarterback, but he also might like, decapitate you.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Like that second pick he threw. If the guy wasn't going to pick it, he was going to completely lay out the receiver if that guy was going to catch it. But can I read you the best.

[B]

JJ McCarthy stat that actually would have saved his receivers? JJ McCarthy would have had a higher passing rating, a passer rating. If he would have just spiked the ball on every play, he would have had a 39.6 versus the 34.2 he carried. He should try that next week. Who knows? Maybe it'll work.

[A]

I sent you that locker room. That's. That's brutal. They sent that locker room clip of him after week one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This guy.

[B]

We'll follow him.

[A]

It's like, oh, a quarterback who. I don't know what's going on with is Zombie Lamar Jackson.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He just. It looks like he's been replaced. It was like that story of the lady who's. Who claims she saw people on the airplane. Remember that story? Right, right, right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's like, they're there. And everyone thought she was nuts. And then she gave an interview three weeks later and she. She looked different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

People thought she'd been replaced. I'm in the Lamar might have been replace camp doesn't even. It might be Tavares Jackson. I don't like one of those type of backups from over the years. I don't know who it is. There are a lot of.

[B]

Lamar Jackson. Yeah. I don't know, man. This is one of those games where I scratch my head like. And I was saying on another text chain, like, maybe these teams we're hoping are good just won't get there. Right. Like there's a chance.

[A]

Right.

[B]

The Ravens and the Chiefs and the Bills are just not two out of three.

[A]

I've been saying that with the Ravens. I don't think they have it. I really don't. I don't think they're good enough this year because I have some Pats fans in my life who are like, oh, it's going to suck if we get two seed and the Ravens get the seven. I'm like, what good game have the Ravens played this year? Like, at some point it's. It's Thanksgiving. We haven't seen them play good yet.

[B]

They are not good. When he can't scramble and when he can't do his thing. They're not good. Their receivers are idiots. Zay Flowers getting knocked over by passes that are hitting him in the chest. And yet they're like, I'm looking now. They're minus 425 to win the division. This team was. They were one in five and they're going to have this division wrapped up before Thanksgiving. You kidding me?

[A]

They won five straight.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, they're. One of the teams they're going against is the Jaguars, who beat Arizona and ot. We talked about it earlier. Lawrence had the full Delam in play. He had four turnovers, including a fumble td. I couldn't remember if a Delome was the full Delome was. There has to be a defensive TD and it has to be five turnovers total. And it could be four picks and a fumble or five picks, some combination. But it has to get to five.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So he had the full. Delome was in play for a good hour, but he got out of it with only four turnovers. The announcers at one point, like he threw the. He threw another terrible pick and they cut to Liam Cohen and he was like doing this, like he thought there's a flag. But it wasn't. He was like, what the fuck did he just say?

[B]

Right. Right.

[A]

So they come back, they get the ball again and he throws a completion. And the announcers are praising Lawrence. It's like that. Now that's a pro right there. You got to shake off that last pass. Trevor Lawrence shook it off. And I'm thinking like, who has more experience shaking off a terrible pass than Trevor Lawrence? That guy's got 10 years of experience of shaking it off the pass.

[B]

His interception. He hits 65% on that one pass. But then it goes back. He'll throw another one.

[A]

But yeah, of course he shook it off. He throws interceptions all the time.

[B]

Shake your hair out. I think he. If we. If we put aside the first year quarterbacks or the quarterbacks who are completely washed, I think he makes the worst decisions at any quarterback. Right, Right. If you're not in that new quarterback or just done quarterback Ben, that's the nicest thing I could say about him.

[A]

Honestly. I had him in Ringer 107. I had the Jags, plus I bet on them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's just a roller coaster ride for three hours.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Every time he goes back to pass, you don't feel like anything good is going to happen. Right. So I was thinking about him versus Jamis. Lawrence's career record now is 29 and 42. Jameis is 36 and 52. Lawrence has one playoff. When Jameis has zero playoff starts. Lawrence has 83 TDs, 54 picks. Jameis has 154 TDs, 112 picks and that and Lawrence has 6.7 yards per attempt.

[B]

James divisions, I think. Right. Wouldn't you say he was in that AFC north for a while. I guess the Saints.

[A]

James's career was longer. I think he was more entertaining. But he. They're basically the same qb is my point.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I didn't realize that until I was watching both of them today and I was like, what's the difference between these two guys? Something really good might happen. Something really terrible might happen.

[B]

Well, Jameis is more generous.

[A]

Like a better hang.

[B]

Yeah. Right. When the good thing does happen. But yeah, this. I hated this game. I was like, how is this game still going on? I know we don't have cross offs for coach of the year, but I'd like to guide my sharpie right through both these guys names. Unbelievable.

[A]

Well, Gannon might get fired.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Liam Cohen. Pretty tough. And then the. The only other one was Saints Falcons where we had everyone had this on Thursday and by Sunday it became clear that something horrible was going to happen. Everybody loved the Saints. The Saints missed two field goals. They fucked up two different first and goal from inside the two situation. So they actually left 20 points on the table. And Kirk Cousins, who you know was mostly Kirk Cousins but did have a couple good plays. Here's my question, Sal. Is this our first cross on our first uncross off the Falcons for who? So we crossed them off.

[B]

What do we do because of the.

[A]

Baker Mayfield might be hurt.

[B]

I know, I know.

[A]

So I mean four and seven, they're two behind Tampa. They're two behind Carolina who plays San Francisco tomorrow night. They play the jets at in. In New York next week. Atlanta plays home Seattle at Tampa at Zona. Home Rams, home Saints. They might get to eight wins. Could 89 win the division?

[B]

I think they're one of those teams that for years and years you just shouldn't pay attention to them. Don't bet on them, don't bet against them. It's like a dog, like a neighborhood dog, you know, could be. Has a few bites under his, you know, in his repertoire and you're like just don't make eye contact with them. Stay away. But yeah, so I boy. I mean because if Baker's out, you got that division. Teddy Two gloves. Two Gloves. Cousins Mother Shucker and Bryce Young, who before last week had three straight games under 150 yards. I can't believe this division now.

[A]

Well, Carolina plays Tampa twice.

[B]

They have a tough.

[A]

Yeah, Teddy, if Teddy Bridgewater is the Tampa QB the rest of the way, I think all bets are off with this division. And right now it says. Is this right?

[B]

Panthers are half game up now, right? Or they're even right now? No, they're even.

[A]

Yeah, it says on FanDuel it says Tampa's minus 360. Oh, they have Carolina's plus 310 and Atlanta's 55 to 1. How's that possible? Like 8, 9 might win the division. They could get to 8 wins with Kirk Cousins.

[B]

So Kirk Cousins would have to win. I mean, House and I were saying I would bet it 55 to 1. It is 55 to 1 down division. Yeah, I was thinking this was his last start ever. Before the game, House and I were talking about it, but nope, looks like he's a top two quarterback in that division now.

[A]

All right, well, let's, let's play it out. Tampa loses to Arizona next week, they're 6 and 6. Carolina loses in San Francisco and home to The Rams, they're 6 and 7. And then Atlanta wins in New York against the jets, they'd be five and seven. It'd be a game back.

[B]

They're right there.

[A]

And by the way, Panics wasn't any. Any hot shit. It's not like he was awesome. I didn't like betting on Pedex. I think I've lost more money on Atlanta this year than all the other teams combined. I think I'm like one in eight on Falcons games this year.

[B]

They're the eighth dog. Don't look at them. Just don't even. Don't make eye contact. Yeah, I mean, Drake London being out is rough, right? Like, you don't want to pair all of a sudden. Introduce Kirk Cousins to an offense that doesn't have its best receiver. But yeah, you're right.

[A]

Should have been a red flag when all of us like the Saints. Like pretty much everybody who picks games bets on them. Yeah, we all love the Saints. They're 2 and 8 and they had Tyler Schuck as their quarterback. And we're just like, saints, lock it in.

[B]

What could go wrong?

[A]

Yeah, a lot of stuff.

[B]

You know, it's. It's cute to have Tyler Schuck when it kicks off at 10am on the West coast, but when he's like 10 points in the third quarter, like, ooh, boy, this is a. This couldn't Be more done this Bet.

[A]

You'Re excited to see Taysomhill.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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[B]

They did.

[A]

He had a couple of bad plays, but I thought for the most part was a little more encouraging than Dylan Gabriel because there was at least a little bit of explosiveness. He had a bad pick, missed a couple guys, but 50 yard pass was great.

[B]

Yeah, it was a nice pass. They keep showing. It's like that might have been backward pass, I don't know.

[A]

But the screen pass.

[B]

Yeah, so. But no, it's. Look, he didn't, he didn't get sacked as much as his counterpart did and that helped.

[A]

That was nice. And then Seattle held off Tennessee in a game that everybody had in a tease.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I watched a little of this just because I had tease interest. Cam Ward reminds me a little of what Drake was like last year on just an awful team with an interim coach basically and having to play from behind, but makes good throws and you can see the seeds of. Oh like I could see like a really smart, good coach being like that. I'm gonna. I wanna back that guy. We could put some weapons around this dude. I. I don't know. I thought. I just like how he's played the last couple weeks. Even though they're losing.

[B]

He was good today. I bet them over 13 and a half points, which I thought was. That was like a home team, 13 and a half. Total point scored. But he has that play and he's done it a few times now, which makes me think it's actually in the playbook where he rolls right. His right foot is almost out of bounds and he slings it deep across the middle and. And he hits on it. So, yeah, he's fun too. Yeah.

[A]

JSN 13. 13 receiving yards, 2000 and play. The record is 1964 for Megatron.

[B]

So that's 80 receptions.

[A]

So they have six games left. 687 yards. That's like a little bit doable.

[B]

He is. I think he's plus 130. I don't know if the odds went away for offensive player of the year. Do you give it to him or do you give it to Taylor?

[A]

Taylor's slipping.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Gibbs has to be in there too. And then the only other thing Is we have 12 cross off teams because we're adding. Minnesota is officially added today.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Unless you want to uncross Atlanta. Do you want to uncross Atlanta?

[B]

I don't like uncrossing. It sets a bad precedent. It's not a good example for the kids.

[A]

All right, so we have 12 cross off teams. Jets, Browns, Tennessee, Miami, New Orleans, Vegas, Giants, Arizona, Washington, Cincinnati, Atlanta and Minnesota. 20 teams still in the mix, 10 in each conference. Your team has the worst record of 5, 5 and 1. But you have Tampa falling toward you. Basically, there's going to be one in that division. Then you have to hope Detroit, Green Bay, one of those falls.

[B]

Lots of hope. Lots of hope.

[A]

It's going to be tough. Yeah. You're going to need probably a Niners collapse after you need them to beat Carolina and then collapse. Some things need to happen. All right, guess the lines.

[B]

Hold on. Do we skip a game?

[A]

What?

[B]

Do we skip a pretty important game in your life.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I guess we did.

[B]

I'm fine with it.

[A]

I'm okay. I didn't really want to talk about it.

[B]

Really. That's a win. You said you liked the adversity.

[A]

I don't know how long our left tackle is out. We lost the entire left side of the line today by before halftime. And the Will Campbell thing looked bad. And if he's out for the year that the team doesn't. There's no way.

[B]

They're sprains though, aren't they?

[A]

Sprains? I thought they already, but I don't know. We're taping this. It's 9:18 Pacific Time. It was really dark today. It was the worst. It was one of Those, like your team wins, but you just have a pit in your stomach. They're not going to be able to block without those guys. And I don't know how long Campbell's going to be out. They might have banked enough wins to get the one seed, but wow, listen to you.

[B]

You're really down on this.

[A]

Well, the offensive line was like, barely good to begin with. It was probably like a C or a C minus offensive line with Campbell, who was the best guy in the line. Right. And you know, it's just they, they didn't have any injuries.

[B]

He did okay in the fourth quarter without him. Not great, but he, he converted.

[A]

Okay. But Cincinnati has a terrible defense in the, you know, they left a lot of stuff on the red zone. It wasn't a great Patriot game. They're.

[B]

They were.

[A]

They weren't lucky. They deserved their better team, but you know that it's a game they should have won. Double figures.

[B]

When. When Drake threw the interception, you went down 7 or 10 actually. I was like, all right, I could be snarky here.

[A]

No, that's fine. They've done that all year.

[B]

I'll be right about Drake maybe for the next 45 seconds. Or we could be smart and live bet the Patriots at minus 102. So I did that. I mean, he does things that the other quarterbacks don't do, like third and 11 from his own seven. He'll throw long downfield, but a high percentage pass, like he's not afraid. And then next play, you threw a long, like, pass interference and now you're on the five yard line. So, yeah, you could get, you can get. You can move down there. I'm not telling you anything. You don't know.

[A]

The play to that throw to Pop Douglas, which was the best play of the game that he had, there's basically three people. He has like this one little window to hit him in. He hits them perfectly. And then the next play was a touchdown. The interference was actually a great interference because it ended up like, screwing them up. And I think they had to settle. I think they might have to settle for a field goal instead of a touchdown, but it was like it was clearly gonna be a touchdown.

[B]

They didn't QB sneak them. Or was that the other way? No, that was.

[A]

Yeah, they finally did QB sneak and then they didn't get it. So I, after all the complaining, I did that. It.

[B]

They.

[A]

They have to figure out the short yardage thing by, by January, and I don't know how they're gonna figure out.

[B]

They maybe Retire the quarterback. Sneak under in Brady's honor. Like we'll never do the quarterback because he was. No one was better than him at it. You know, I just.

[A]

And I talk about this all the time. It was, it was. I think he was like 8:42 for 8:45 on QB sneaks.

[B]

Brady.

[A]

So like some crazy stack. God only knows what it was.

[B]

But it's like in wrestling, they. They re. They said wrestlers couldn't do the chop anymore in honor of Ric Flair. Remember that? Like the chop went away. It's like, oh, that seems like a pretty aggressive stance there.

[A]

They got to figure it out because it, it's going to cost them one of these games when it actually matters. When they can't get these third and ones or third, third and goal from the one yard line. Fourth and two, just not getting them. But yeah, the Will Campbell thing. Not great.

[B]

And they.

[A]

Then they lost a guard too. They lost the whole left side of the line. Geez. You're so down an hour into the game. I was bummed.

[B]

You got 14 wins. You're gonna be fine.

[A]

10 and two officially. Hit the other over.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So we hit that one.

[B]

Yeah. It's gonna be adjusted over. It's gonna hit a lot of them.

[A]

All right. Guess the lines. I won last week.

[B]

Yes. It's not good.

[A]

I'm up for the year. What is it, seven to four?

[B]

It's more.

[A]

It's eight.

[B]

Three, four. Eight, four, eight, four.

[A]

Week 13, week 13. Thanksgiving. Lions Home for Packers. This will be under three. I have Lions two and a half.

[B]

Nope. I hit it exactly. I said three and that's what it is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Vegas hasn't been trusting Green Bay. Not sure they should trust Detroit after.

[A]

That game, but I think that ends at two and a half. Chiefs at Dallas.

[B]

I don't want to touch it. I mean, I know it's impossible not have money on the first game, but I'm looking at this for 20 minutes. I was like, I don't. I'm not going to take either team. I don't think. Right.

[A]

I just feel like it's such an advantage to be home.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On that early, early Thanksgiving game, if the teams are even and each team played on Sunday. I don't know. I'm probably, I'll probably lean Detroit this next game, though. I have no idea. Chiefs at Dallas. And you know, this will be either Chiefs by three or Chiefs by three and a half. I'm going to say Chiefs by three.

[B]

Nice. That's what I said. It's three and A half.

[A]

Ah.

[B]

Well, let's think about this. So they were home to the Colts in three and a half and at Dallas three and a half. I think this will go down, don't you?

[A]

I like your team. I think there should be. I mean, honestly, this should be Chiefs 2 1/2 with the way the Chiefs have played this season.

[B]

Yeah, the Cowboys money will come in. The Eagles were three and a half all week and then it changed this morning. So to three.

[A]

Ravens are home for the Bengals. Joe Burrow will be the qb. I'm not sure that's going to affect it seemed like it affected the line. Two points for the Pats when Burrow was going to play. I was five and a half. When it became. When it became Flacco was seven and a half. I think the Pats have played Joe Flacco Like 80 times, by the way. I just feel like every year we somehow play him twice.

[B]

The league's got your back. I mean, they play. They're like, all right, we're not taking the training wheels off Patriots just yet. They get the Bengals, but no Joe Burrow. Oh, and we're going to suspend the. The best receiver for spitting in the playground.

[A]

Don't spit in somebody's face.

[B]

And then. I don't think that's. I don't think that's good advice to give out. And then T. Higgins gets a concussions. Give me a break.

[A]

That was tough. I have the Ravens favored by nine over the Bengals.

[B]

I said eight and it's seven and a half.

[A]

Oh, all right. It's a little low. Not a lot of respect for the old Ravens. Maybe they deservedly.

[B]

If they don't solve. If they don't solve that their offensive woes this week. I don't. I don't know if it's going to happen, to be honest.

[A]

Black Friday. Eagles. Bears. It's in Philadelphia. I can't think of a better candidate for the Vegas zone. I put this Eagles five and a half at home.

[B]

That's what I had. It's seven.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

They went the full seven here.

[A]

Oh, all right. Well, so we got a little teaser with. I can't put the Ravens on tease.

[B]

It's all right. There's more during the week, weekend. There's some big numbers.

[A]

Cowboys three team seven pointer.

[B]

You got has to settle Thursday. What do you do? It's just. You're going to quit betting after that? Just.

[A]

No, I'm trying to tie in the Black Friday. Eagles. Cowboys ten and a half. Bengals fourteen and a half.

[B]

Oh, you're going three teams.

[A]

Oh, boy, who blows that?

[B]

Don't put McCarthy on it.

[A]

McCarthy's on the DNB list. If they had Sam Darnold, what would their record be?

[B]

I think he could put. He'd be in this mix to take them to the playoffs. Like, that's a. I'm not going to say it's an underrated F up because now everyone's talking about it, but.

[A]

Cause they also had the wince games, too.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

I mean, a lot of this. Remember, they kept that. The. The high ankle sprain for McCarthy. It's like, wow, this is a long time for a high ankle sprain. Right now it's clear. Like, they were like, fox. Should we bring him back?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then Wentz got hurt, but he.

[B]

Wouldn'T have 10 interceptions for this team, I don't think.

[A]

Too watchable. Oh, by the way, the other thing with McCarthy, I think he might hold the ball the longest of all the guys who holds the ball too long.

[B]

Oh, yeah, right.

[A]

Like he has a shattered internal clock in his head. He goes back and he's just like, hey, oh, that guy. And then he just gets nailed.

[B]

He needs a idea, like yelling or a family member yelling from the sideline or something now. Or now, you know. You know when you do that with your kid, like, swing or, you know, or. Yeah, good.

[A]

Kick it, you know, I don't know.

[B]

What you would do.

[A]

But he needs. They'd have to turn the headset off, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. But like a really loud family member.

[A]

Could he wear an apple watch? And they like.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And they hit some alarm where it's like all of a sudden the alarm goes off. It's like, ah. Like Manchurian Candidate.

[B]

I made one of those silent disco headphones. Anything. Anything would help, honestly.

[A]

Sunday marquee game. This might be the first time we've had a Sunday marquee game in the AFC south since like 2009. Colts, Texans in Indianapolis. Big stakes all the way around. Best defense in the league against a very good offense.

[B]

It's a fun one.

[A]

Do we see C.J. stroud? Davis Mills is 3. 0.

[B]

I know. It's not bad. If you look at his career numbers, they're not bad either.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I say if Stroud's ready. Yeah, he's right. He's in there.

[A]

Okay. It's in Indianapolis. And I have the Colts by three.

[B]

We split it. I said four. It's three and a half.

[A]

I can't hit any of these.

[B]

I was thinking about. We talked about the Shakey's Game. And if there's three AFC south teams like, Shakey's is not going to know what to do. They may have to just close for the day. If there's three AFC south teams.

[A]

What, so three AFC south teams are in the playoffs. Shakey's has to close on Saturday because it's just too much for them.

[B]

So, yeah, the customers are just going to lose their minds. Can't have chaos.

[A]

What do we do with. We've made all these Shakey's jokes over the years, but Shakey's is, like, spending all this money. They've had this reinvention, rejuvenation.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Do we need, like, a new. A new depressing place to go? Because I don't know if Shake is as depressing anymore.

[B]

Oh, no, it's still disgusting. And I say it in the. In the nicest way possible.

[A]

The one we have at Hollywood.

[B]

Yeah, they gotta clean that joint up a little bit.

[A]

Well, we went to the one on. What was it? On Sunset last year.

[B]

Wasn't bad, right?

[A]

It wasn't bad, yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Sometimes you look at these and the. The mojo potatoes are crawling on the floor. It's like. Is that being. Being carried by a rat?

[A]

I don't know. Two watchables games. Rams, Panthers in Carolina.

[B]

How did this happen?

[A]

It's. It's the Vegas. Zoniest Vegas game I can imagine. I have Rams by four and a half.

[B]

Oh, wow. Well, I should get two wins for this. I saw them annihilate a team today, and I put them at seven and a half and it's nine and a half.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that the most I've missed a game?

[B]

I think so. I think so.

[A]

Well, every time this happens, I always say that line's too high.

[B]

Yeah, that's good.

[A]

That's ridiculous. And then the team covers. So it was high for a reason. So if I'm off five points, maybe we should just start betting when I'm that far off.

[B]

Yeah, maybe Vegas, I mean. Yeah, it's like you built in a whole teaser for yourself.

[A]

There's. I mean, it's outdoors. It's in Carolina, where weird shit always happens. It's coming off of an awesome win. It's going to be a whole week of Matthew Stafford, MVP stuff. This is like. This checks 19 be careful boxes. I guess everyone's going to have them in a parlay.

[B]

They could get tripped up. Short week for the Panthers, but a little high.

[A]

Do you think? How many days could Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald be ready to play? Like, if he was like, I want to come back for week 16.

[B]

You saw what they. When they showed him.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What if he's like, I'll come back for five weeks to try to win this for both you guys.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Like, they're not hanging up. Right?

[B]

I think he would need three weeks, though, still.

[A]

So he starts right now, comes back for, like, week 18.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Some of these guys are lunatics. They just. Right.

[A]

They're just.

[B]

They're training like they're still playing, so maybe it wouldn't matter.

[A]

Be funny if McVay just talked to him all the time and he's like, I'm ready.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, our D is so fast. I mean, I don't even know if you could play with these guys now. Like, he starts doing like.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Starts fucking with them. Yeah. I mean, it's just different than when you played because these guys are just really locked in now. Another road dog. I think it's going to be Pittsburgh hosting the Buffalo Bills for. This is another matchup where I feel like these teams play every year. I have the Bills favored by one and a half.

[B]

No, it's higher than that. I said four, and I believe it's four and a half. Wow.

[A]

I'm off. That's usually a bad sign for my gambling.

[B]

Yeah. Four and a half.

[A]

Well, I don't think the Bills should be favored by four and a half. In Pittsburgh. They.

[B]

What's.

[A]

What have you liked about the Bills lately?

[B]

Nothing, really. Nothing other than that they just have to start winning. That's really it. But I guess the Steelers are in the same boat. The Steelers. What are they? They have. They have the Ravens. Twice they have the Bills and the Lions. Yeah, they really screwed this up today.

[A]

Fairly. Watchables. Niners at the Browns. You know this Cleveland, where they're. Cleveland at home is like a different animal, but I still feel like this is the. On the higher end of the Vegas zone for me. I got Niners by five and a half.

[B]

All right. You get it? I said five.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

It's six and a half.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I don't know. They're pretty damn good on the road today. Cleveland, I guess. I guess the Raiders are just everyone's.

[A]

I guess. Yeah. Put their defense against a team that can't block it. Has Geno Smith and an offensive coordinator about to get fired. Bucks Cardinals. That's in Tampa. Oof. I mean, we don't know. Is that. Is there even a line on this?

[B]

Hold on. Let me change mine because I did this before the Game. I'm not going to look.

[A]

I dropped mine by three and a half points.

[B]

All right, go ahead. What do you got?

[A]

I had seven before the Baker injury. Now I had bucks three and a half.

[B]

I had eight and a half so I went to five and it is two and a half. You get it. Oh wow. Wow. That sucks for them. That's rough for them. I feel bad for that team.

[A]

They've got the borderline year from hell from them with the injuries. Doesn't feel like they've been healthy for two weeks. I hit the Ibuka over last week. The I bet on his receiving yards in like early August. It was like 674.

[B]

It hit oh nice.

[A]

It hit on like November 15th.

[B]

That's my excited.

[A]

That's the only prop I did the whole year.

[B]

It is really the only player over.

[A]

Under prop I did was IG Buka.

[B]

Oh I did know.

[A]

Someone to know batting a thousand.

[B]

I only did like 9394 player props.

[A]

Yeah, I figured.

[B]

Well I'm right behind you But I have him for offensive rookie of the year in the the longer dart sits out the better off I am. I guess.

[A]

Seahawks home for the Vikings is another fairly watchable and I just think Seahawks defense against McCarthy it has to be at least eight and a half so I'm going to go eight and a half.

[B]

Wow. I said seven and a half. It was eight and a half. It moved to nine and a half.

[A]

Yeah, that makes sense. This is a Seahawks defense could win your fantasy week single handedly kind of matchup.

[B]

Yeah. If Minnesota wins this game I might be done watching football. I'm just telling you now.

[A]

So we do Seahawks, Seahawks, Moneyline, Eagles, money line, Cowboys adjusted cowboys like eight and a half.

[B]

Yeah. You could just put 10 on everybody.

[A]

That's fine.

[B]

Okay, who wins? So this is a Sam Darnold bowl. Right.

[A]

So my mailbag somebody we were talking about Sam Darnold nicknames for an evil Sam Darnold shows up and a reader or listener suggested Benedict Darnold.

[B]

It's good. Yeah.

[A]

This game especially. Yeah, yeah. Poop fact of four games Jags at Tennessee. I really wanted to Vegas own this but I bumped it right above I have jags minus six.

[B]

I said eight and a half and it is six and a half. Damn.

[A]

I'm coming back.

[B]

Hold on.

[A]

What's the score here?

[B]

72 like four in a row.

[A]

Yeah, it's 77 including the ties Dolphins Saints Miami home. They should never be favored by six points against anybody in the league but I'm going To say Dolphins by six.

[B]

Get it again. I said seven. That's five and a half.

[A]

Ooh.

[B]

Come on. The Saints on the road aren't getting a touchdown.

[A]

Break. That was one of the first. I've talked about this before, but one of the first gambling rules I ever remember. In Gus's picks pool, which you're in, which he had since he was at Rollins College in the 80s, his friend John Oakes, anytime there's a team that was favored by seven or more and he didn't think the team was good, he was like, I just blind have to take the other side. That.

[B]

No.

[A]

But that team should never be favored by seven or more against anybody. So Gus would call it the Oaks rule.

[B]

So Oaks will take the Saints here.

[A]

No, because it's not seven. But I think this does get to seven by Sunday. I think this gets to Dolphins minus seven and they should never be favored by seven over everybody. So this is an Oaks World game. Falcons at the Jets. Kirk Cousins maybe scouting his team next year. This has Falcons minus three written all over it.

[B]

You get this one, too. I had Falcons one and a half. It's two and a half. I mean, this doesn't sneak into the Tic Tac zone.

[A]

No, the jets are pretty awful. Oh, man, the jets can look good for about an hour. Yeah, that's what, 80s. What 80s wrestler. Are they like SD Special Delivery? SD Jones.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's an insult.

[A]

They can throw a couple. They can throw the guy out of the ring a couple times. Yeah, that's about it. Chargers home for the Raiders.

[B]

All right, I'm going to get this.

[A]

So I forgot to ask you this earlier. The Raiders are the worst team in the league, right?

[B]

They have to be.

[A]

They're number 32 now.

[B]

It just. So they beat the Titans is the only thing, right?

[A]

I think they're the worst thing.

[B]

I trust as far as gambling goes, I trust Tennessee more than the Raiders.

[A]

Yeah. So I think this had. I had Chargers by seven and a half here. Okay.

[B]

I get this. I said no. I said ten and a half. It's nine and a half. Ooh. Oh, yeah. Vegas is done with the Raiders both. Yeah.

[A]

So that.

[B]

That kind of proved my point. Yeah. Odds wise and probably proximity wise.

[A]

So what's the score now? Are we tied?

[B]

I think you're up. One, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, three, eight, nine, eight. Two left. And I was pretty close on these.

[A]

All right. Broncos at Washington, I think. Is it Jaden Daniels? Do we get him Maybe.

[B]

I think it's just a maybe.

[A]

Well, I factored that into my guess. I have the Broncos by five and a half. Vegas owning it.

[B]

Ooh, I get it. I said seven. It's six and a half. We're tied. I was off one point on the last one.

[A]

I think I'm gonna hit this. Okay, Monday night Patriots home, probably without Will Campbell against the Giants. And I had the Patriots by ten and a half.

[B]

Yes, eight and a half is what I said. And it's only seven and a half.

[A]

Oh, wow, they really factored in the lousy offensive line.

[B]

There's your teaser. Let's see how much you like James.

[A]

Yeah, I want to see who my left tackle is.

[B]

Man, those Sunday night those night favorites really look good. Denver and Patriots. Oh, I'm going to lose so much money this week. I can't wait.

[A]

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[B]

No sponsor. We don't have a sponsor this week.

[A]

All right, I guess we don't have a sponsor this week. So.

[B]

My son Harrison plays flag football. He's played since he's 12. He's played since he was 5. And the team won the flag championship. And this league is. It's Friday nights. There's crazy. There's a DJ there blasting rap music, and it's sponsored by Snoop Dogg and TJ Hush Manzada. And. Yeah, so he plays for this team. They won. They played six seasons together. They have three titles in the last four years, and they just wrecked everybody they played this year, right? So it's flag football, but they're pretty good athletes. They don't drop balls. Like, that's why I watch on Sunday. I'm like, how would they drop players dropping. I know it's a different thing, but so they win the game. They win by, like, 24, 25 points. And the coaches tell me, hey, we're going to give Harrison the MVP award and we're going to present it him with it. And I'm like, really? And they're like, yeah, yeah. Why? I was like, well, you don't have to do this. They're like three kids more talented than he is. And he would tell you, like, they have better stats. And they said, no, no, no. And they both said this. They're like, you don't understand. He makes our job simple. He does all the little things. He's the easiest to coach. He's a great teammate. He has tremendous field awareness, breaks off his route without flooding the zone. He does a million little things. And like, that. I felt good because I was like, well, he watches games with me in my stupid instruction based on, you know, playing high school football and watching on TV for a hundred years. It kind of paid off, right? So they give him this giant gold necklace. Like, Snoop wouldn't. Snoop would think this was tacky. I think he wears a giant gold necklace and this ring, and he's taking pictures and everything. And our cousin Jimmy was there, and Jimmy takes a picture of him and our little cousin Michael, who's also on the teams, a stud flag puller. And he texted to Snoop, he's like, this is. They're in your league. This is cool. Like, well, this. They've won three out of four years. So I'm not sure if Snoop responded. I'm not sure if he even knows he runs a flag football league, but that's it. So congrats to team bolt up 12u and thanks to Jamie and Bruce, the coaches, they're great. Either one of them can coach the Arizona Cardinals right now. So good job by them. And if they did this just to get on Parent Corner, it worked. There you go.

[A]

Now, see, you should have had the necklace.

[B]

Oh, right. I could run and get it.

[A]

My daughter came back today. So my wife was in Hawaii. I was in New York City. And then my daughter was in college, but came back today. So each day somebody new has come home for my dog, Murph. And I was trying to think, like, what do dogs think when people just come and go. Cause he's gotten to the point, like, I was packing on Monday to go to New York, and he gets really bummed out when he sees the suitcase. He thinks, that's gonna be bad. The suitcase is here. That means I'm going somewhere. So he just gets really sad. And then when I come back and I have the suitcase and I bring it up, he's like, oh, you brought it back up, but now you're taking the stuff out of the suitcase. I think he gets it. But then when Zoe comes home out of nowhere, I just wonder, like, do dogs have a long term memory?

[B]

What does he do? Does he lose his mind?

[A]

Well, he gets. Yeah, he goes crazy. He's so excited she came back. Did he think she was ever coming back? Like, did he forget about her? Like, he goes and sleeps in her room sometimes.

[B]

Right? Right.

[A]

But he must, like, hope she's gonna come back. But he also has an IQ of like 30.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I just. I just would love to know what's going on in his brain.

[B]

I think about it because they look so sad right. When they're just laying there. And like, so if Melissa goes away for the weekend, the dog will just sit there and look sad. And I think I'm like, oh, man, he's sad because she's gone. And then I'm like, no, it's a dog. What's he gonna do? He can't have. He can't have, like a Jameis Winston type life where he's just dancing around. Right?

[A]

He hangs out in the window and looks out in the street and waits for people to come back. So he clearly is like, if I hang out here long enough, somebody's going to come back. So I have that. And then I have some texts from my mom. Oh, let's hear it. My mom's been just on fire the last couple weeks. This is her review of Beast and Me with Claire Danes. She said, I'm already finished with Beast and Me. Really good. Do you think? Whenever a part comes up for an emotionally imbalanced substance abuser female, everyone shouts Claire Danes, exclamation point. The lesbian part was new. At least that was her review of Beast and Me. Then she said, tell Chang I already ordered the book. By the eleven Madison sommelier, Chang should take over the Andrea Mack Bon appetit wine videos. My favorite. He loved to be a winemaker. Chang could do a wine food segment, which she is great at. That's her career advice for Chang. She saw the story about Bill Maher not wanting to stand up comedy tours and texted me back. Narcissistic phony. Never watched him after his big dinner with Trump. Unfollowed him on social media and YouTube. Dead to me. So that's her take on Bill Maher. And then. And then this is the coup de grace. She watched Frankenstein on Netflix. I can't believe I'm even reading this one. She said, my biggest disappointment in Frankenstein was that he didn't get a monster erection in the scene when Elizabeth first finds him and starts touching him from the face, moving downward. Then she goes, ha ha.

[B]

So what do you write back?

[A]

How would I not responded to yet? Yeah, I decided. Hold on that one. But anyway, those are some of my mom's text.

[B]

That's great. She should get a job writing on page two. I think these are good observations.

[A]

Page two.

[B]

Six one of.

[A]

Yeah. So listen, so Claire Dane's got some props. Chang needs to do videos, Frankenstein needs an erection, and Bill Maher's dead to her.

[B]

Oh, poor Bill Maher.

[A]

That's what I got. My mom's on fire. And then. And then my dad hits the big seven, eight on. On.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I think on Thanksgiving. Yeah.

[B]

Are you. Is he out here or.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

You have to see him soon.

[A]

He does. My dad does this new thing where he has these secret medical procedures and doesn't tell me.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

And then my stepmother mentions them in passing. He's like, well, your. Your father got that shot in his neck. Like, what shot? Oh, he had arthritis in his neck. He's having injections. My kid didn't tell me. She's like, well, he didn't want to. He didn't want to worry you. It's like, well, oh, why? What is this with the parents when they don't want to worry us? Like, how about just give me the information, let me decide if I'm going to be worried or not?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, what is the point of hiding medical shit from us?

[B]

It's so funny. There's like nothing in between. Right. Either they're over the top, going to bother you or me in this case with medical stuff, or they keep it from you. It's really weird that there's no.

[A]

I feel like when we get older, I'm going to want to worry my kids all the time. Sure.

[B]

Yeah. I don't. I would.

[A]

I would want them to be think. Because otherwise they're probably not going to think about us and they're like, yeah, I got to go to the doctor. Yeah, we'll see. Could be bad.

[B]

Right? And also maybe you've heard of, like a solution that they haven't run by. Right. So why don't you send him a sauna and a. And a T shirt. That could help.

[A]

Maybe I should. I don't know if my dad would make it in a sauna. All right, that's it for Parent Corner. Anything else we got before.

[B]

Before we go?

[A]

Other than. Other than. The Cowboys are two and.

[B]

Oh, no, that's it. They're two and.

[A]

Oh, what do you mean with the. With Cleo, like, he had been going backwards. Vegas.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Two wins this week. I don't know.

[B]

Really magical comeback. Keep it going. Cleo doing a good job with these Cowboys.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's it. Yeah. We're going to have a ringer gambling show. We're cramming a lot of shows in the first three days. Tate and I are going to go over the massive college football games coming up. House and the Bundle going to make fun of each other on Wednesday. The 107 picks. I think we need to spice this up a little. Everyone's in first and last.

[A]

I'm going to do that this week. We need to put. I think we need a booby prize and we need some sort of actual press.

[B]

I had. Yes, I think a booby prize. Because this ends around February. The loser has to stand in Bourbon street for a whole day.

[A]

I heard you say this. Why Bourbon Street?

[B]

Well, because. Only because you're here. No, I know. So what? You don't have to make it easy.

[A]

But how is it a prize where you get flown to New Orleans?

[B]

No, it's not a prize. This is the last place they have to stay in the street, the filthy street for a whole day without moving.

[A]

I don't know. But we'll come up with better.

[B]

It has to be.

[A]

Am I allowed to fire house after 12 weeks or no. Am I stuck with him the whole year? I don't know. I feel like he. I don't know. He's not happy with his performance.

[B]

Wanted him to take New England or something.

[A]

We did. They didn't cover by half point. It wasn't like it was a bad pick. They won. Okay. House was his big pick. Was New Orleans.

[B]

Oh, we all had New Orleans mad at House. So bad. So bad. Oh, and I think I'm doing something with you tomorrow. We a lot to say.

[A]

Yeah. We're doing rewatchables. We're doing two for the money. Okay.

[B]

All right. I know. Yeah, that's going to be fun.

[A]

I've watched it twice in the last four days. It's really just a wonderful, wonderful movie.

[B]

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