The Pats Grow Up, Nobody Believes in the Jags, the Bears are a Sports Movie, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

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The Bill Simmons Podcast

The Pats Grow Up, Nobody Believes in the Jags, the Bears are a Sports Movie, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Date: December 22, 2025
Host: Bill Simmons
Guest: Cousin Sal

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Episode Overview

This holiday edition of The Bill Simmons Podcast dives deep into an unpredictable NFL week, breaking down big storylines: the New England Patriots’ surprising comeback win, the ascendance of Drake May, another "nobody believes in us" moment for the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Bears turning late-game heroics into movie-worthy drama, and rampant playoff chaos across both conferences. Bill and Cousin Sal get into game-by-game insights, MVP races, coaching agita, fanbase insanity, and weave in their weekly "Guess the Lines" segment for an extra helping of holiday chaos.

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Patriots-Ravens Recap & Drake May Praise

Theme: The Patriots took down the Ravens in Baltimore with a fourth-quarter comeback, improving to 12–3, a result that flips AFC playoff expectations and sets off MVP recalibration for rookie Drake May.

• Opening Sentiment (03:06–04:12):
  • Bill and Sal, both surprised by the win, joke about Drake May’s unflappability.
  • Sal: “You just cannot scare Drake May. I tossed plastic spiders at him. I threw a shark in his bed one night. I brought him to the top of Mount Vesuvius and tried to push him off. You can't do it, Bill!” (03:40)
  • Bill: “I hid in his closet once with a Michael Myers mask on. He was not phased.” (03:59)
• Key Moments:
  • The Patriots’ depleted roster—missing all offensive tackles and lead RB—but Drake May and Stefon Diggs deliver, especially on deep balls.
  • Sal laments Ravens’ coaching: “Why didn’t they play Derrick Henry in the last seven minutes?” (04:12)
  • Lack of injury info—frustrations with real-time NFL reporting.
• Big Picture:
  • May’s huge stat line (31 for 44, 380 yards, 2 TDs) vaults him into the MVP top tier.
  • Updated MVP odds: Stafford favored, May jumps to +175 (07:33–07:54).
  • Bill: On May’s development—needs to limit the “one or two dumb plays per game.” (07:58)
• Coaching Decisions:
  • Criticism of Mike Vrabel’s “terrible fake punt” on 4th and 10 (08:36).
• On the NFL Calendar (09:34):
  • Both lament the league-wide injury epidemic: “Do we really need an 18-game season?”

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The AFC Playoff Picture: Any Given Sunday

AFC is Wide Open
Key Discussion (12:13):

• Denver, Pats, and Jags all bunched at the top; four teams set for Christmas eliminated, leading to a rare NFL ratings “win” for the NBA.
• Sal: “It’s one thing to be eliminated, but when it’s Josh Johnson vs. Dak Prescott, when it’s Max Brosmer vs. Jared Goff...that’s bad times.” (12:13)
• Bill and Sal agree: No AFC team is dominant. Everyone’s “case for, case against” is plausible.
  • Sal: “What are the talking heads going to say? ‘No way New England beats Jacksonville/Denver in January.’ It’s just for clicks. That’s not true.” (15:08)
• On Houston/Texans’ collapse: “I don’t know what happened to that team today.” (15:24)
• Notable Fantasy Moment: Bill mourns his playoff elimination after a poor C.J. Stroud performance.

Are the Patriots for Real? (12:57):

• Bill (asks Sal): “Do you think the Patriots are good enough to make the Super Bowl?”
  • Sal: "I'll say it. Yes, yes." (13:48)
  • They agree AFC path is possible, but both see the Rams a “class up” in the NFC.

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The Bears: Living a Sports Movie

• Chicago's Miracle Season (17:12):
  • Bill: “That Bears-Packers game was the dumbest win of the year, probably the last couple years.”
  • Bears now have the most wins after trailing in the final two minutes since 1970 (43:41).
• Memorable Moment:
  • “Caleb [Williams] has the best throw of the year to win the game. That was nuts.” (17:12)
• Sal: “The onside kick is insanity. Dobbs is treating it like it’s covered in rhinoceros shit.” (17:42)
• Both marvel at Chicago’s string of late-game comebacks and how “they always seem to get out of second-and-20s.”

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The NFC Playoff Mess & Coaching Carousel

Detroit Lions’ Collapse & Steelers’ "Voodoo"

• Lions, decimated by injury, can’t run the ball—window may be already closed (24:51).
• Steelers keep stacking ugly wins; Tomlin clinches 19 straight .500+ seasons:
  • Bill: “They have a syllabus of shitty, stupid, ridiculous Steeler wins.” (22:29)
• Dan Campbell’s future as Fox pregame show candidate gets batted around (24:49).

Pittsburgh’s Identity: Rogers’ Renaissance (25:10):

• Bill: “He has three throws he can make...it’s like Tecmo Bowl in college—just gotta guess which one.”
• Sal suggests maybe Steelers have a “Ewing Theory” effect without T.J. Watt.
• Bill compares his tennis game aging to Rodgers’ “old guy” up-and-down play (31:10–31:51).

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Jaguars: “Nobody Believes in Us”...Until Now

Jaguars Earn Respect (Builds from 35:15):

• Sal: Lawrence “excellent, taking off for first downs, flying horizontal to the ground.”
• Bill: “Was as good as Drake May was in the Sunday night game. Like, really, pushing all the buttons. I’ve never seen him play like that.” (35:27)
• Jags release a “nobody believes in us” video before the game, then back it up—Bill: “I’ve never seen someone aggressively market nobody believes in us and then back it up.” (42:17)
• Lawrence’s turnaround, defensive line pressure, ETN’s improvement all fuel a six-game win streak.
• AFC South chaos: hypothetical with “three playoff teams, had Daniel Jones not been hurt.”
• Sean Payton’s field goal decision, down 17: “You need two touchdowns...got to go for that.” (39:02)

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Around the League: Quick Hits

Texans’ Struggles, Chiefs’ Rock Bottom, NFC South Madness

• Texans offense derailed without Woody Marks; Raiders almost upset them (26:53).
• Chiefs stuck in “rock bottom,” Kelsey existential crisis—"Feel bad for Kelsey, he's a Hall of Famer...just kind of running around this fucking Titans game" (52:45).

Panthers-Bucs: Coaching and Fanbase Meltdowns

• “I watched the entire game. I have no idea how the Panthers won.” (48:10)
• Tampa subreddit flamed with “Fire Todd Bowles,” “Burn it all down.”
• Both lament Tampa’s mismanagement of skill players—and that their division is somehow still up for grabs despite a six-of-seven losing slide.

Offensive Rookie of the Year Race (52:01):

• McMillan the heavy favorite, Shuck +430, Igbuka 17-1—all from the NFC South.

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Guess the Lines: Holiday Edition

• Usual mix of successes and whiffs, with Bill struggling: “I haven’t been off like this all year. This is four games I’ve been off by four points.” (75:22)
• General sense that Vegas inflated lines for the holidays.
• Notable proposed strategy: “Money line against the Giants, Jets, Titans, and Raiders – how many do you get right over 12 games?” (67:55)

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Parent Corner

• Sal: Struggles with his teenage son, Jack, befriending bar regulars at a local Steelers haunt. “He likes these strangers better than me.”
• Bill: Describes being the “shit-stirrer” in his family, now an empty-nester with returning college kids. Laments the modern need to resolve/“address” every sarcastic comment.
• Discussion: The weirdness of adult friend groups formed via your kids, Christmas cards from people “nobody recognizes,” and the social gauntlet of elementary school parent dynamics.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (by timestamp)

• "You just cannot scare Drake May." — Sal (03:40)
• "I've tried it. I tossed plastic spiders at him. I threw a shark in his bed one night. I brought him to the top of Mount Vesuvius and tried to push him off… couldn't scare him." — Sal (03:40)
• "I'm not allowing myself to think about it like in a real way." — Bill, on Patriots' Super Bowl chances (13:48)
• "The onside kick is insanity. Dobbs is treating it like it’s covered in rhinoceros shit." — Sal (17:42)
• "They have a syllabus of shitty, stupid, ridiculous Steeler wins." — Bill (22:29)
• "Jake Paul takes that [punch] and his teeth go into his tongue." — Bill, post-fight banter (89:21)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:06] Patriots comeback, Drake May's potential, MVP race shifts
• [12:13] AFC playoff chaos, why no team is safe
• [17:12] Bears’ wild comeback vs Packers, living the "sports movie"
• [24:51] Lions’ collapse, window closes, Steelers’ weird wins
• [35:15] Jaguars break through, “nobody believes in us” becomes reality
• [42:17] Jags’ social media video, new era of team motivation
• [52:45] Chiefs-Titans, Kelsey sadness, fanbase distress
• [66:02] Guess the Lines segment, holiday line inflation
• [88:19] Boxing: Joshua-Paul spectacle, Sal and Bill reflect on their betting
• [92:52] Parent Corner: parenting, family roles, and holiday reflections

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Tone and Banter

As ever, the episode brims with sharp, playful sarcasm and the classic Simmons/Cousin Sal back-and-forth. Both commiserate about their losses (in fantasy, betting, and football faith), call each other's teams “voodoo” and “zombie” versions, and commiserate about the wear-and-tear of the NFL—on players and fans alike. They blend deep analysis and statistical nitty-gritty with loose, familial humor.

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Takeaways

• Patriots are officially dangerous—Drake May is here, the AFC is ripe for a surprise.
• Jags earned believers—the most aggressive "nobody believes in us" demonstration in recent memory.
• Bears bring non-stop entertainment & chaos; don’t bet against them to make one more miracle.
• NFC South is the epitome of frustration, both in play and coaching.
• NFL’s parity and injuries make betting/picking nearly impossible—the hosts poke fun at their own losing records.
• Parenting/family themes ground the episode with relatable stories about growing kids and growing old.

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For New & Returning Listeners

This episode is packed with both macro takes on the NFL landscape and micro-level, riotous game recaps, all through the lens of two die-hard fans/degenerate gamblers. If you missed it, you'll be caught up on the playoff races, QB trajectories, major storylines, and the odds of both heartbreak and hope—plus you’ll get a dose of classic holiday family madness.

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Transcript

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Congratulations.

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I don't know where to start, except for an hour ago. I felt like this was a loss. We were gonna have to go back to the drawing board with some of the injury stuff.

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25 minutes ago, not an hour.

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Yeah, whatever it was, Drake May went to another level. Put that one on the old resume. Collinsworth. I don't know if you heard the tail end was doing the. I mean, Mike, this is. These are the second year guys. I'm not talking like in the league right now. I'm talking all time. Oh, I was like. I was like, oh, oh, Collinsworth. What a win, though, for the Pats. And what a loss for the Ravens. Where do you want to start?

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I heard the Collins worth. Yeah. You know, you just cannot scare Drake May. I've. I've tried it. I tossed plastic spiders at him. I threw a shark in his bed one night. I. I brought him to the top of Mount Vesuvius and try to push them all. You can't do it, Bill. You can't do it, Mike.

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I hid in his closet once, and I had a Michael Myers mask on. He was not phased. I jumped right out. He didn't even move. He didn't budge. Yeah, they. They tried everything. I mean, the. The biggest thing they didn't try was playing Derek Henry in the last seven minutes of the game.

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Yeah.

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I don't understand what happened. We couldn't. We couldn't tackle him. Well, and he was just over on the bench with an overcoat on. And then after the Pat scored to go up four, he was still on the bench.

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He didn't get things done, did he? Was he. They never said anything, right?

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I don't know.

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We.

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There were. There wasn't a ton of injury reporting going today. Like, Henderson was just gone. We didn't know for an hour what happened to him. Then, like, yeah, he's gone. He's out with a head injury. Okay, thanks.

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Right.

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But yeah, we didn't have a lot of reporting on this stuff.

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That's a big win. That's a big win. You easily. I mean, you did text us. You like, we got too many guys out. I was like, who's. Who's out? Gronk?

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Well, the Bundo was getting a little. He was getting a little feisty. On the Sunday, Sunday ringer pregame thread about how we were the paper mache pats.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I was like, hey, we'll be there in January. We're going to get our guys back. We were missing all the offensive tackles, the run stopper and then the home run hitter Henderson. And it didn't matter because Drake May just said fuck it. And Diggs was, Diggs was the other one. Diggs hasn't done that in a month, maybe more than a month.

[B]

He thought he would do it against Buffalo or didn't. But yeah, no, I see. Like it's, you know, the, the football gods say, hey, these guys got beat up by a real quarterback last week. We gotta go back to normal where they just beat up on, on shitty QBs. So yeah, my heart bleeds for you. You got, you got Ty Huntley again. Nice job.

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I know. But was. Was from what Lamar has been the last five weeks, was it like a massive drop off? Did you feel like. Oh no. I mean I thought Huntley was pretty good.

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He was good.

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Except for the last drive. He was okay. He moved the ball. I mean it wasn't his fault. Zay Flowers got stripped on an awesome play by Chase on.

[B]

Yeah, no, it was a good win. That's a, that's the kind of win you want when it's cold and you're on the road and all that stuff. And now who knows, maybe he won't even be on the road.

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Well, so they're down 24 14. He hits Kyle Williams on that bomb in the corner, which is a throw he's made at least 10 times this year for a touchdown. And the guys usually never open. Kyle Williams is the speed guy that we have drafted this entire century and have gone basically over 12 in these guys. And this is the first one who's actually made plays for them in big moments. But that was an awesome throw by Bay. And then the next drive, they're on there. What are they on their own 11 hits, Hollins for 20 and they're just moving down. And then the third really shaky call of the game was that that long bomb to Booty that he got tackled.

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No call.

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Even though Booty got an OPI on like you know, a pretty chintzy one earlier than that.

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But we, we got a master class in OPIs and PIs today. Just all the whole. Throughout the day. Like everybody, everybody.

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I never, I mean if I was a Lions fan, I would be out of my mind. Yeah, the Chiefs run that pick play, or at least they did during the Mahomes era. What do they run that play 10 times a game?

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Be careful. You. You would have to give back like six Lombardi trophies to if you're going.

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To play the pick plays.

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Yeah.

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With Amendola and Edelman.

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Yeah, it was exactly. Or less than a yard. Whatever was. Oh yeah. No, yeah.

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Now that they can. Well, the worst one was the St. Brown opi. I just feel like guys do that all the time. They usually call the big tight ends on that and that's it. But so May ends up 31 for 44 for 380 with two touchdowns. And I didn't look at the FanDuel MVP odds, but do you. What do you think? Did that move him up or is it Stafford's to lose at this point?

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Yeah, it moved him up because Stafford was minus 350. He's at minus 185 now and maybe is plus 160 and Josh Allen is 25 to 1 now.

[A]

Yeah, he wasn't good today. I think Allen was the. Was the right bet for a couple weeks there, but he just didn't do enough in the Cleveland game and I think that ship has probably sat on him. Yeah, May is plus 175.

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Plus 175. It's moving as we're talking. It's very exciting.

[A]

Well, it's interesting cause I have all my notes from when I thought they were going to lose. And one of the first notes was Drake May. Really good. Not quite good enough because he had the pick in the first half and he had the fumble. And this is something we've talked about a bunch of times on this pod about like everything is there. And the last thing is to get rid of those two dumb plays a game and maybe knock them down to one or zero. But the best quarterbacks that they're at one or zero with the dumb plays and he had the bad pick and he had the fumble in traffic which he's had a couple times in his career. And also Vrabel wasn't good enough because Vrabel. Because the fake punt was terrible. I don't know why they did that.

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That was. What was that?

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Fourth and ten?

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Yeah.

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And it's like if the. If the one receiver is not going to be open over the middle, the play's just not going to work. We're going to have to eat it with our third string safety is going to have to try to take on nine guys. So I don't know what happened on that.

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Let's read your notes as if they lost. I like let's you still have those notes. I think that'll be my I had.

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Did the Ravens lose anything Going from Lamar from hampered Lamar to Huntley I had the Pats are missing all of their offensive tackles, their run stopper and their home run hitting running back. Will they be okay in January? And then I wrote down is the season just too long because we're just seeing injuries every week now. And like the Lions today were like the fucking zombie Lions. What was that team didn't know they couldn't even run the ball anymore. They're not that they were calling running plays but we have eight, nine teams like the Chiefs lost their backup quarterback to a torn acl. Double torn acl.

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Same injury. Going for the trifecta next week.

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Yeah maybe we don't need an 18 game season.

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Yeah the Lions went through. They're on their third center of the day today. Not like of the year. Right. Like of the day today. And it couldn't run the ball. I think they had 15 yards rushing. Everyone had Gibbs props over. Didn't happen. Well I'm sure we'll talk about that. But one more thing about May I'll give you credit and I love how.

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Begrudging you are with the May thing. Like we're going to talk about Trevor Lawrence later and I'm gonna have some apologies.

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You should have lost today.

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But the he we should have won last week. We're up 21 nothing.

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I know you said like the offensive line is is a mess. They weren't pressured. That's the one guy in the league you can't not pressure. He will fricking torture you because he has such a good long ball. Right. He does throw guys open from 45 yards, from 18 yards, from 24. All different distances. I don't know if there's another guy like that in the league where it's like all right, you don't pressure him. He is just going to destroy you. Much like number 12 back in the day for you in Foxborough. So I'll give you that.

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Here's the issue with this. Go ahead. He his numbers against the blitz are like among the best in the league. Like that's one of the things he's great at. And Collinsworth did a good job today pointing out like he holds the ball to the last possible second and gets rid of it, usually accurately. But I don't, I don't really know what the move is.

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That's yeah. What's the what's the what's the in between no pressure and the Blitz that he does well again, because that's what teams need to do.

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I mean, I, I hesitated like somebody's going to steal my secrets because they won't. But I would, I would do the disguise thing that the teams used to do against Mahomes where it was just a bunch of guys. You never knew if they were coming or going. And it's like, are eight people coming? Oh, they're all sinking back and just right. I would just try to disguise as much stuff as possible. The problem is. Well, I assume the Henderson is just a concussion and he'll be back in January. Yeah, but you know, with, with when it's just Ramandre, like he's not really a pass catching back. He. If Henderson had been on that wheel route in the end zone, that was just over. Like Henderson scores on that. That's a touchdown.

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You cannot scare him. You can't scare Drake May. What are you going to do now?

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Well, the Jaguars were feeling unbelievable there for about a half hour because they really had a chance there to steal the one seed with any chicanery. But now the. It's too confusing now. Denver's 12 and 3, New England's 12 and 3, and Jacksonville's 11 and 4. So I guess it's going to come down in the last couple weeks. What's interesting is the Christmas games. Four of the teams are eliminated. Now we have three Christmas games and the. Somehow the NBA games, it's a win for the NBA. Yeah, the NBA was like, oh, the NFL's taking our turf. And now we're in this situation where the NBA games are probably better.

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It's one thing to be eliminated, but when it's Josh Johnson versus Dak Prescott, when it's Max Brosmer versus Jared Goff, when it's against Chris Oladokin, that, that's, that's bad times. That's not really good. I don't know. I mean, maybe some of those starters come back or second string.

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But see you, you follow college and I don't. Chris Eladokin, just a complete stump for me. Never heard of him. Didn't know how old he was or where he went to college. Had to look it up.

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He only played for like three colleges. It wasn't that bad. Dakota State, South Florida. Samford, drafted by the Steelers like three years ago and now he's the future of the Kansas City Chiefs and the Christmas game.

[A]

I need your honest answer on something. This could be a social media clip. Get ready. Eduardo. Do you think the Patriots are good enough to make the Super Bowl. From what you've seen, you watch a lot of football every week. And the case for them, I think, to make it, is that the AFC is wide open. They have a quarterback who potentially might have real greatness in them. They can run the ball just enough. They should be able to get enough of their offensive line back in time for January. Their defense is feisty. It's a tough team. It's a real together team. They have good chemistry. They're going to have at least one home game in the playoffs. I'm not allowing myself to think about it like in a real way, but I thought that win today was a little different because Baltimore just seemed like a game Baltimore was going to win and they took it from him.

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I'll say it. Yes, yes.

[A]

So you think it's conceivable?

[B]

Well, why wouldn't it be? You beat the Bills already and they're like ahead of you. Like they would. May have to do it on the road and all that like that. But you could at least play close with the Bills in January.

[A]

Right. Because the Bills defense looked horrible today against Cleveland. I mean, really, like awful. They give up shocking.

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Lot of big plays. Like, they give up big plays to, to nobodies too. I think, like, you know, Trayvon Williams and Isaiah Bond are eating you up. Like they give up five 15 yard plays. The only thing that's working for them is James Cook has more than five 15 yard plays. So at the end of the day, they have more points.

[A]

But yeah, and you go was you go through all the teams. Everybody's got their couple things to point to where we're like, we have this, right? And for Buffalo, it's Allen and Cook and it's like we have this. You know, the Pats have Drake, May and Vrabel. Yeah, Jacksonville, I can't, I can't wait to talk about them because I thought that was the most impressive performance today. But we got to save it for a little bit later. But you go through the AFC and it feels like everybody you can make a case for or you could poo poo, you know what I mean? You're just going down the line and be like, no, here's why this Denver, they've been lucky that for three months it finally caught up to them today. This is closer to who they are. You could just do it with every team.

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I mean, what are they going to do? Like the talking heads are going to say, how's this start? No way New England beats Jacksonville in January. No way New England beats Denver. In January. That's just. That's just for clicks. That's not. That's not true.

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Well, and then Houston, everybody's sleeper.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which I had my fantasy season died today because the C.J. stroud and Nico Collins and I can't overstate how bad C.J. stroud was today. I don't know how many throws he missed, but it was over. Ten were just like throws he just missed that either sailed. He threw it. Led the guy out of bounds. Like all kinds of things was just. I don't know what happened to that team today. But the Raiders, like, they came very close to beating them.

[B]

They could have.

[A]

And it was. They. The. It felt like the Texans just thought they could show up, you know, I don't know if they knew it was Andrew Catalon's 200th game.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know that that was.

[A]

Yeah, they met. They met everybody. Even. Even the officiating guy. He stepped in and congratulated him. Yeah. 200 games for Andrew. Wow. And then it was Chris Meyer's 132nd straight Carolina Panthers game today. That was the other thing. He stopped the game in the third quarter.

[B]

He commented on how he's never heard this place so loud. It's like, yeah, well, you live here. You're here. You're here more than your actual house.

[A]

Your apartment is a suite in the Panthers stadium. I feel way better about the NFC than the AFC from a Super bowl standpoint, I think.

[B]

What do you mean? Picking a winner, you mean.

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Or I just think the Rams are.

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I do too.

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I think the Rams are a class up. Not saying the Pats couldn't beat them. And by the way, you know, we saw two games already this this week come down to the dumbest two point conversion I've ever seen in my life. And then, and then whatever the fuck happened last night in that Bears packers game, which was the dumbest win of the year probably of the last couple years. It was awesome. Congratulations to the Bears. But that was bonkers. The fourth down guy in the corner that nobody's ever heard of making a shoestring reaching up catch and then you get an onside kick. There's like two onside kicks a year.

[B]

I.

[A]

And then Caleb has the best throw of the year to win the game. That was nuts.

[B]

That's what I don't understand about that Chicago team. And we could go through the 10 games they should have lost when they were losing by six or eight or 10 and with a few minutes left in the fourth quarter. But when it gets down to it if they're there. He throws some great balls. He really does.

[A]

And he gets away from sacks. He really does. Like it could be second and 20 every time and he always gets out of it somehow. Yeah.

[B]

But yes, you're right. The onside kick is insanity. It's like, you know, Dobbs is treating it like it's covered in like rhinoceros shit or something. Like just. Just bat that out of bounds. Get rid of it if you don't want it to. You want to catch it, it's fine. Just kick it out of bounds. I don't get that. I could do it. We do it in my living room, me and the boys, we do it in the living room. We pretend we're recovering on site kick. And I guarantee all of us are better than what we saw the other day.

[A]

This is pretty bad. Well, we have. So Denver's got at KC which is suddenly one of the easiest weeks in the league. Casey's terrible now. And then they're home for the Chargers, who just keep winning as we keep trying to look for reasons not to think that they have any sort of anything. And they just keep beating everybody. Pats play at the jets, who are just awful. They are horrible. I mean, they fell back nine, six. I was going against the Saints defense in fantasy and it was any third play, third down, it was just a sack. And then they're home for Miami, who looked like they quit today for they looked like they were done for the season.

[B]

They're fine.

[A]

Then Jacksonville's at Indy, who suddenly has to win tomorrow basically to stay alive. And then home for Tennessee. I don't know. Who would you bet on for the one seed? So you're the odds too?

[B]

Yeah, I have them here. So are you six? No, you're six. 50 for the one seed or did that go down?

[A]

No, we're plus 180. Denver's minus 145. Jacksonville's plus 850.

[B]

What I'm looking for. Yeah, right. I think it stays. I think it stays as it is.

[A]

Well, it would have to be the Chargers winning in Denver, right?

[B]

I think it's Denver. Cause they're going to get an easy win next week. And then, you know, I think they maybe learned a little bit. I mean, I didn't think. I knew Nicks was like slinging it like John Elway last week. I'm like, we're not going to get that again today probably, are we? You know, he's somewhere in between there. But yeah, I. The Jacksonville just beat Them up like all over. Like you can't. I mean, was he. 14 touchdowns, no interceptions in the last four games. Lawrence just doesn't turn the ball over anymore.

[A]

We. I want to dive into that game quickly on Houston though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, and the Chargers, Chargers 11 and 4. But they play Houston this, this upcoming week and then Houston is 10 and 5. They go, Chargers, Indianapolis. There is a scenario where the Chargers could win this Houston game And then week 18 means nothing when they play Denver.

[B]

If the Colts lose tomorrow, basically. Right?

[A]

Yeah. If the Colts lose tomorrow, that would be another way. So there's a bunch of scenarios where the Chargers don't care about week 18 and they're like, fuck it. Let's say Herbert. He's hurt anyway. So I would. The Denver -145 I think would be the safe. That's because Casey's done like that, like put a fork in them.

[B]

That's the one for sure. And the league is sort of in trouble trying to figure out important games for the next two weeks. And we went over Christmas, it doesn't get a lot better for the Saturday Sunday slate Monday next week.

[A]

Well, you know what really hurt was this Baltimore loss today for sure because. Because now they're, they're, they're 7 and 8. Is that the record?

[B]

Yeah, 7 and 8, Pittsburgh 9 and 6. So Pittsburgh's the magic numbers won basically.

[A]

That's. How did we. Can we, can we do Pittsburgh?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Minus 1100 to win that division every time.

[A]

I think it's the dumbest Dealers win I've ever seen. They just go, hold my beer and they have like a dumber win. And this one would have been a really terrible loss because it seemed like the game was over. And then all of a sudden the Lions are driving. There's a game winning lateral to Jared Goff that gets called back by a PI that took them five minutes to figure out because I think they were afraid they were going to get jumped leaving the stadium. And then they're like, it was a touchdown.

[B]

Hold on.

[A]

But the game's over.

[B]

Go home, everyone.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Touchdown. But yeah. And we can't get rid of the Steelers. That's 19 straight. 500 or better. Tomlin seasons. They. They somehow I think they had run out of stupid wins. So they were like, what if we got two opis inside the 5 yard line with under 30 seconds left to win? Have we done that yet? They're looking at like their big syllabus of shitty, stupid, ridiculous Steeler wins. They're like, oh man, now we don't have an OPI in the no. 2. We've never done that. Boom. I hate this team.

[B]

Can I play devil's advocate for a second? The ending was stupid, obviously, right? That could have gone either way. They call what it's stupid. But I thought the Steelers were very, very good today. They really did them.

[A]

Yeah, they did. It would have been a bad.

[B]

I went into it, I was like, the Lions are going to score 35 because they need to win. They absolutely need to win. The Steelers are on a short week. Everything was leading towards the Steelers getting just bulldozer today. And then it's like three, nothing for a while. Right. And then so you look at it, the time possession was 34 25. It seemed like 45, 15. Yeah.

[A]

The Lions never had the ball. They didn't have the ball.

[B]

They didn't have a second half first down until like 11 minutes left in the fourth. The Steelers ran all over him. They had Gainwell and Warren had two 45 yard touchdowns. I mean, they, you know, the players are shoving fans in the face. That's always great. No, that was bad. But The Lions had 15 yards rushing, so I don't know. And again, we talked about how they went through three centers. That was bad, but that was a good performance. I don't like to compliment Rogers, but It was like 9 to 10 down the stretch when it mattered.

[A]

The Lions had 11 running back runs for 16 yards. Jesus. The Lions are basically done.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Dan Campbell over under 20, 27 for him being on the Sunday Fox pregame show.

[B]

Oh, wow. Would you go September, October?

[A]

No, it would have to be before the season.

[B]

Oh, before the season.

[A]

The Terry seat will be open at some point.

[B]

I'll go slightly over, but slightly over.

[A]

So in the 2000s. It happens.

[B]

Yeah. And it was a big Ben Johnson weekend. Like, I know they're pulling rabbits out of their asses and how they're getting that done in Chicago, but Detroit definitely missed them again today. We could show five, six games where this was the case.

[A]

Well, the bigger thing, they ran the ball down their throats. Rogers met Rogers, had a good interview after the game, but he was like, we ran for over 200 yards. They ran for 230. Yeah, they passed for 251. I mean, the Lions are missing half their team at this point, which is another issue with these 18 game seasons. But yeah, no Lions. We talked about it couple weeks ago about how fast a window closes. The Lions never even really had a window. It was like slightly ajar for a year. And now you know they're not even going to make the playoffs. It doesn't look like under 10 and a half.

[B]

Right. Clinch. That's. They're not getting there, are they?

[A]

And then the Steelers are in the playoffs, which seemed inconceivable for three months.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And every time they won, it seemed dumb, but they do feel like they've stumbled into a little bit more of an identity as the year went along.

[B]

The identity without T.J. watt. Like, is this a Ewing theory?

[A]

Is this a little bit of a Ewing theory? Yeah. Well, Rogers has three throws he can make and he somehow just cycles. It's like Tecmo Bowl. When we were playing Tecmo bowl in college and there were only four plays. It was like two run plays and two pass plays. And you had to kind of guess which play the guy you were playing against was gonna run. And if he guessed wrong, it would be like, fuck, I guessed wrong again. And that's kind of like Rodgers. It's like, I could do the. The other shoulder to Metcalf throw.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I could do like the quick throw to the tight end or I could do the quick screen pass, the bubble screen. These are my three Tecmo bowl plays. And you just have to guess which one I'm going to do.

[B]

And those are the plays. And then there's the other stuff. Like the. Like he schooled Campbell at the end of the first half with the timeout. Like rushing to the line of scrimmage. Like he. Like they were running out of time. It's like, no, Detroit should be calling time out here. He still snaps the ball when the guys at. When defense has 12 on the field. He's still like the best at that.

[A]

We were texting when. When that whole. All the shenanigans at the end of the first half happened. Campbell called timeout. It ends up buying the Steelers time to get a ridiculous touchdown. All of a sudden, it's tied at halftime. And it was just. There are these plays that happen when you're watching the football games. You're like, that team can't win now.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, like somebody will take a dumb intentional grounding safety. Or they're just certain.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or somebody fumbles as they're about to cross, go in for a touchdown, and it's like, oh, touchback that 20. You're like, they can't win now. It's just not. It's. They're not destined to win. And that felt like one of those moments.

[B]

Who would you rather play right now, the Steelers or The Texans. Because if I had pats, if I was. If I asked you last week, you would be no hesitation.

[A]

I thought. I think the Texans have. Well, Woody Marks didn't play today, and I had Woody Marks on a couple of fantasy teams and I think he's legitimately good, but always seems to have some sort of injury. When they don't have him, they can't run the ball at all. Chubb's, like, washed, sadly.

[B]

He had a big front down there.

[A]

The Raiders, who haven't won since, what, mid September, they were annihilating the Texans run game and they're pressuring Stroud and they stink. So in the playoffs that they're on the road. I feel like I was a believer in their offense after last week. They looked really good last week. Like, that's why I wanted to start Stroud in a fantasy playoffs. But they had a lot of trouble. I. I'd probably rather play them than the voodoo Steelers that like just the weird shit that goes on with them. Right. Is that. Isn't that the right answer?

[B]

I think so, because I was thinking about it. You know, you have two of maybe the favorites, the super bowl favorites as one seed, as five seeds. Sorry, the Rams. I know stuff can happen in the afc, but I think the Rams will be a five seed. I think the Bills will be a five seed, and they might be two of the three favorites to win the super bowl when it shakes out right. Even now, they're two of the three favorites. I love the Rams going to Carolina or Tampa and winning that game. We don't have to guess the line now, but. And I don't care that they lost to Carolina already. That's. That's just going to be a blowout. And I know Pittsburgh lost to Buffalo, but I don't know now if Buffalo goes to Pittsburgh, is that a. That possibly a game?

[A]

Now? The way Buffalo's defenses looked, Alan got banged up again today. He's had a lot of those where he's like limping off. They show him on the sidelines. There's three people milling around him. I just feel like he's taking a lot of hits. Cook's really great, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was such a pleasure to have him on a fantasy team. Just like lights out. It felt like every time he had the ball, it felt like he could break a 60 yarder. But they have no deep threats at all. All their. All their stuff is like 10 yards and in. And I thought the Browns did a good job against them today. Their quarterback wasn't Good enough today.

[B]

Yeah, they did.

[A]

Shadora would just. He, you know, they, he just could not rise to the occasion.

[B]

You know how many times he did.

[A]

Which we saw in 10 games.

[B]

How many times you think he got sacked today?

[A]

It felt like at least five.

[B]

Yeah, it was two, but it always feels like five. It always feels like five or seven or something because he has to get rid of it. And he threw the two interceptions and I don't know, I mean he's lucky. Such a good solid one where it.

[A]

Was like the, the big drive to basically go for the field goal to tie the game. Right. And in three plays it was 4th and 32 and they were on the 32 yard line.

[B]

It's like, okay, yeah, normally you go for it. I'm like, this is not a makeable down. They really do have to punt here. This is stupid. With no time left.

[A]

So this time on thing we did the over unders for the year, which we had pretty mediocre year this year.

[B]

You had mediocre? I was subpar. I think I was like 9 and 14. I think you're like 11 and 12 so far.

[A]

Yeah, we're both going to be around 500. Last year I was lights out. You were good too. But we did the Steelers and I went under. Did you go under or over?

[B]

I think I went slightly under. This is one that where the line was in between. I didn't make them have them making the playoffs, so I went under.

[A]

I just don't understand when it's two straight decades of them just having winning records. Why you talk yourself out of that. And I don't know why I did that. It's just the Rogers was so bad last year. It's like, well, this is, this will be the year. But Rogers has been okay, right?

[B]

Well, he's not one of the best.

[A]

15 quarterbacks, but he's not one of the worst 10.

[B]

He was very good today. It doesn't look like the cold weather is crushing him or the longer season. But let's be fair. The first eight games, if you would have told us, well, Burrow is going to be out, Lamar is going to be out and, and the Browns are. The Browns. They'll settle on a quarterback who won't be good. By week 10. I might have gone over eight and a half or not. Whatever it was. Yeah, yeah. But they're. They're solid. They're solid. They're there every year.

[A]

The weird thing with him was he looked so bad. What was it? The Chargers game where he looked like he was 55 years old. And then lately he looks good. But I was thinking maybe this is just what happens when you hit like your, you're about to hit your mid-40s. Cause I know it's happened to me with, when I play like I played tennis a week ago. This is where I compare myself to professional athletes.

[B]

Good.

[A]

But I played me and Howard Owens. We beat these two British guys. Like we defended America. We really, like sent. It was like one of the best wins since the Boston Tea Party. Just the doubles tennis, straight sets. It was really great. I was moving awesome. Five days later I hit with my wife and I couldn't move and I couldn't move side to side and I felt like I was 100. And I was thinking to myself, like, I wonder if this is just what happens to somebody like Rogers where they're like, I was moving so well five days ago and now I can't move side to side. And then like you get, you get a massage or something, you're like, I feel great. But maybe this is just the roller coaster ride we're going to be on with a 43 year old quarterback.

[B]

Can I tell you what Roger's secret is? I'm surprised you didn't read this.

[A]

What?

[B]

Shirtless sauna. Try it. Try it once. Try it.

[A]

I gotta do shirtless.

[B]

See what happens.

[A]

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[B]

Excellent. Taking off for first downs, flying horizontal to the ground. All the stuff he needed to do. And you're right, it was really loud. Like twice the whistle blew. Remember, he got like pounded. He just Got destroyed in the back.

[A]

Huge hit in the back.

[B]

They took the camera off.

[A]

I wasn't expecting it.

[B]

I'm like, he's going to be down for a while. And he got right back up. And I almost think like he does better when he can't hear the wit when it's too loud. Like you play in Jacksonville and you can hear your parents making dinner plans.

[A]

In the, in the crowd distracted by his dad's voice.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. You play in Denver and yeah, first of all, they shouldn't, they probably even shouldn't use whistles because they don't work. Like, I don't know, like maybe you blow a horn that, that says what's the bottle line for? Well, tonight instead of you. Something. Yeah, something other than a whistle.

[A]

The rest of it.

[B]

No, that's enough. That's enough. But yeah, I said like. And what's weird about them is.

[A]

Yeah, I'm listening. I'm just turning the air on. I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm getting hot. I'm getting sweaty from the past.

[B]

Oh, wow, look at.

[A]

Keep going.

[B]

Yeah, I took them over and I took them to win the division because I thought Travis Hunter would be really good because I thought Brian Thomas would be really good.

[A]

Travis Hunter? Yeah.

[B]

Isn't that crazy?

[A]

I haven't thought about him in a.

[B]

Month and Brian Thomas has put up nothing.

[A]

Right.

[B]

A lot of decent first down every now and then. But Brian, if you would have said Brian Thomas is a non factor and Travis Hunter is not even like, you know, he's on high four. Where would you put Jacksonville then?

[A]

Well, the Myers trade turned out to be the best deadline trade anybody made. They already extended him and he's like this reliable security blanket for Lawrence. But listen, I've watched a lot of Lawrence and we've been stuck watching him in that 6:30am Eastern time twice a year where you can really watch. And he always just seemed frenetic to me. I just, I'd given up on him. I talked about it in a pod. I just thought we'd seen enough. How many starts can somebody have where they kind of are who they are And I don't know if it's a new coach. He seems more confident like even like he's like there's like a, like a leadership aspect to him. I always thought he seemed kind of overwhelmed, especially like in a game like the atmosphere today. Yeah, I think a year ago he, he, he throws three picks and he throws a red zone pick. I just think he would have stunk and he was really good.

[B]

They did play like there was Bolton board material. I don't know if it was Ewan Wilds or if it was Sean Payton. Small market. And Liam Cohen talks about that after the game, and it really did look like they responded to that. And I just don't want to get caught. Where we were with Bo Nix last week, we're like, oh, man, this guy's back. What do you throw four touchdowns and.

[A]

No, no. But here, here's the thing. Here's the difference. There was a lot of evidence that Jacksonville might be good. There was a lot of advanced metric stuff from the last six weeks. They were. The line was between three, three and a half. A lot of the Sharps were on the Jags, and I think people were wondering but weren't convinced. Could this be that the second half make a jump team? Right. So now they've won six straight. I think Lawrence has 16 passing TDs and two run TDs. Their defensive line can get pressure. Secondary is good enough. They still give up a couple explosive plays a game. ETN has been way better. And they're better at using him. Like, they'll run those little quick screen passes to him. So there's been signs of this, but they put it all together today because I thought, you know, Denver hung around in that game and the crowd was in it, and they really wanted them to make a run. And Jacksonville just kind of slammed the door. It's impressive. And then I thought that Sean Payton, I thought it was every week he does something where I wonder where. It's like, are we sure Sean Payton's good?

[B]

Oh, you didn't like when he kicked the field goal down 17, right? You hated that.

[A]

It's what, 11 minutes left, but they need to go. They're down 17. They're on the two.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was it the two, two or three? They're on the three. It's like you're. You need two touchdowns. You're not going to get much closer if you can't get it here. Even if you don't get it, they're stuck on the three. They got to play out of the end zone with a lot of noise. I don't know. I'm just.

[B]

That was a little bad.

[A]

I'm like, you got to go for that.

[B]

Denver on the 25 and a half points is my wisest wager. So I didn't mind that at all. But, yeah, you're right. It's. But, you know, in our defense, the AFC south has beaten us up over the last decade, bets wise. Right? So we're thinking, all right, only one team's going to come out of it, and Daniel Jones, like, was leading the way. It's like, all right, we'll. We'll root for that because they look unstoppable. It's like, oh, it's not three now. Three teams are in the running as of December 21st. That's insane. But, yeah, Jacksonville is everything we didn't think they'd be.

[A]

Well, how about this? If Daniel Jones never gets hurt and Jacksonville is doing what they're doing, could we have had three AFC south playoff teams? Two in the afc. Like, now we have eight playoff teams. I don't know who gets bounced. I guess Houston. Maybe Houston doesn't make it at that point. At that point, you're saying instead of Houston spot. Yeah, that would be because Indianapolis was 8 and 1, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it would be Houston. This comeback would be too little, too late, I think.

[A]

Well, I don't want to overreact. I feel like we've overreacted a few times. Yeah, no, this was a different one just because of the crowd and the defense. And listen, Lawrence's stats were a little bigger than maybe what the actual pat. Like, they broke two short passes. That was just terrible tackling by Denver. And I was talking to our buddy Gus about it after. He's a huge Broncos fan. I was like, what happened to your team today? And he was like, we were just due. We were due for a shit game. Right? And that happens. So maybe, maybe if they play a month from now, maybe Denver is a little different. I thought RJ Harvey was actually good today, But Jacksonville, if you talk about teams that can kind of do everything, they could at least make a case, like, hey, I know for throw away the first half of the year. Just look at our last six weeks. Stop saying, oh, it was against the jets, and they beat the Chargers 35 to 6. Which we were like, well, the Chargers lost other guys. I don't think their Chargers have lost since then.

[B]

No.

[A]

So I don't know, maybe we. Maybe we read this one wrong.

[B]

And listen, I'd still be surprised if they made it to the super bowl, but we could make a run here. They've won a playoff game with Lawrence. They beat the Chargers right in that crazy game a few years ago. So they. They can figure out how to do it. They're not going to embarrass themselves the rest of the year. They're going to make get in maybe not as a one seed, but they'll be good. What's their at Indy and then Tennessee.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

It'll be 13 and four.

[A]

The thing I don't understand. I've never seen somebody so blatantly acknowledge and embrace the nobody believes in us thing because usually that's like more of a Fight Club thing. Like it comes out after. I've never seen somebody aggressively market the game as a nobody believes in us and then back it up because now I don't know if that can count as I don't know what that's like. Different than a nobody believes in us.

[B]

If they back it up. Yeah.

[A]

Just like pointing out before the game that nobody believes in you.

[B]

Oh, I see.

[A]

It's like a different. They might have created a new thing. I've never seen it before.

[B]

Joe Namath guaranteeing the victory kind of.

[A]

Thing, but everybody thought he was crazy when he did that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

The Jags were like, here's. Here's a video we've made of all of our detractors and we're gonna shove it in their face. And they're talking shit about Sean Payton after. It's pretty interesting. Should we change a lot of confidence?

[B]

Only Shakey's believes in us.

[A]

It's Shake.

[B]

I guess if they get the one see, they won't. But it's not them. But.

[A]

Well, so they. The Pats probably aren't going to see them in round one. Right. The thing I don't like about them is the explosive plays like going against them. They get big like 20, 25, 30 yard plays which I think in the playoffs can tilt games where you feel like, oh, this, this team, they're on the road. It's like all of a sudden they've just busted one. Well, that's why everyone's afraid of strange. Yeah, the Pats have that too. Although we'll see with Henderson coming back quickly on Bears packers from Saturday night because this is the other team that's come on like a freight train. The Bears have now six wins after trailing in the final two minutes of the fourth quarter, which is the most since 1970.

[B]

That's ridiculous.

[A]

And four of them were really ridiculous. And then Saturday night was the most ridiculous. But I think they basically have to beat either at San Francisco or home Detroit and they win the division. Green Bay can only win it if they win their last two and Chicago loses their last two. So they're basically looking great for the NFC North.

[B]

They had a number for plus 550 for the one seed at this point. It's gettable.

[A]

It's gettable. It was. I as great of a win as it was for Chicago, I thought it was a worse loss for Green Bay because on top of everything else, then love gets hurt.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And they've had all these other injuries too, but I don't know, it's. Did they.

[B]

Well, kudos to both teams after I called them out for not providing a decent games for what's supposed to be the greatest rivalry ever. They. They gave us two. Maybe they gave us another one in a few weeks. But yeah, I watched with a couple of Bears fans because we were between little league games and they were going nuts. And it's funny, like, they get mad if you say you're full of shit. Like you could enjoy your team success and still admit they're full of shit. Right. Like, because in your mind, as a Bears fan, you're not going to be shocked if they get they lose by 17 a playoff game, are you? Based on everything we've seen from the.

[A]

Yeah, because the case would be like, did you know who number 20 was five weeks ago?

[B]

Oh, I like that.

[A]

And how many onside kicks can you name that have happened this year that have been recovered that you can remember from the 2025 season?

[B]

Right.

[A]

By the way, what's the answer to that? Is it two?

[B]

It might just be two. Yeah. I do remember another one. Was it my dumb team? It was against.

[A]

It's a lot of feistiness, a lot of upset fan bases. Jaguars fan base is mad. Bears fan base is mad. Our Raider fantasy league. Sean Fantasy stormed out of the conversation today. He got mad. He didn't think the punishment had been discussed at that time. This whole group text that it said, Sean Fantasy has left the conversation. Just left the text. Unbelievable.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Could have thought that was a bit.

[B]

I can't tell whose side I'm on with that. It's a story. So the last place team is supposed to suffer a punishment, a punishment that you drafted. You could draft a punishment September, so you could forego your seventh round pick on a player and draft one of the ten punishments. Like I drafted to get my ears pierced. I'm like, I'm not losing this league. Whatever. I'll take a hard one. You drafted to wear a jersey chosen by everyone else.

[A]

Not for three straight podcasts.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Fantasy drafted, wear a headband on a podcast. But you can never mention it. Right. So he, he comes in seventh, not 10th. And to his credit, I thought that it was the last place in the.

[A]

Regular season in Sean's defense. I did as well. And then they're like, no, no, no. We had this whole toilet playoffs.

[B]

Communicated it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so now he's in the 710. He loses the 7 10. So now he's in the finals of the. The bad prize thing.

[A]

I don't know. It's a be wearing a headband talking to like Noah Baumbach. Yeah, right. Yeah. On the big picture.

[B]

That's funny.

[A]

I like that he stormed out of the text thread. Meanwhile, Van wanted to finish because it was like somebody else gets to tweet for you for a week. And he was excited.

[B]

But you're right. Tensions are high. You're right. The season is too long. Like fantasy means so much now. And now like every single. Every call, every pass interference call, whether it's for your team or not.

[A]

The. The bets.

[B]

I'm sorry. They get higher and higher as we run out of games. It's.

[A]

It.

[B]

It's rough. It's rough out there, people.

[A]

I've only been in two so and so has left the conversation text threads this year. Fantasy. And then our cousin Jimmy. Once a year our friend Daniel makes him so mad. He just leaves the text conversation.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is he back? He's gone.

[A]

He came back. He came back like four days later. Yeah. He's the only one. I thought that was his move. But Fantasy.

[B]

Like, I thought the FCC suspended him from our text chain. That's how he left on his own.

[A]

That might have been it. I couldn't remember. Something happened. Panthers Bucks, which I lost for Ringer 107 along with. I think I went one and three. I'm just. For some reason I'm winning bets on Sundays. But Ringer 107. I'm dying. And I can't really figure out including the 13 point tees I sent into the show today.

[B]

That was nice.

[A]

I won. I with the last piece of it was Lions plus five and a half and they lost by five.

[B]

That's insane. That's insane that you win that.

[A]

Panthers Bucks watch the entire game. I have no idea how the Panthers won. The Bucks seem like they could just move the ball and do whatever they wanted the whole game. And then they lost.

[B]

It's the most aggravating three hours of my week watching this putrid bucks team that I have to win the NFC south that they should have. You know, and they still might win. I don't get it. They're. They're minus 1.75to win the division like they should have been. They should have been out of it five weeks ago. But yeah, I watched it. I'm like, why is Baker, Why does he have 70 yards passing? It's. There's two minutes left in the third quarter, you know, and the Panthers do nothing. They had 275 total yards. Bryce Young, like escapes a third and impossible and throws a touchdown pass. And that all. That's what they seem to win all the time. That's all they need.

[A]

I think the Bucks are one of the five worst coach teams I watch week to week. Yeah, maybe really bad. Like when you think like Liam Cohen, like Bulls was kind of 50, 50 to go last year, wasn't he? And they kept him. And Liam Cohen went to the Jags and like the shit today.

[B]

It's. Well, it's tough when you keep winning the division.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To fire somebody. But.

[A]

Well, they've lost six of seven. Right. And somehow still have a chance to win their division.

[B]

They have.

[A]

Guys like Bucky Urban will just be gone for like a half hour, you know, half of them. Then he comes back and runs for 8 yards. You're like, where was he? Why were you just playing your third string running back? They have Igbuka, who had 600 yards in like the first month of the season. And he had a long pass in the second half today. And it was like, I forgot he was on the team. It was like, hey, it's Igbuka. Where'd he come from? They get around the goal line, they just throw the same goal line fade to Mike Evans over and over again. They know they're first down. Yeah, that's the only time they throw on first. I wonder what they're going to do. Yeah, it's the fade to Mike Evans in the corner again. But they just really sloppy. They just do dumb shit. And then they let Bryce move down the field on them. And like Bryce Young is good every other week. And I wouldn't even say he's good, he's like decent. But McMillan was killing them. They never doubled him, they never tried to take him out of the game. I just thought it was very strange.

[B]

If he sticks around in the fourth quarter like Bryce Young, now he's the guy that's going to beat you. But. And I don't know what's with Baker. I know he had injuries, like slight injuries that he played for.

[A]

Don't you think he has like a real, like, listen, like some sort of torn something.

[B]

If this was me and I went from like the 9th best quarterback to the 39th best quarterback, I would say I'm playing through a horrific injury. I'm like, I have. I have a ruptured spleen and I had it replaced three times.

[A]

He was an MVP candidate. Yeah. I'm looking at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Reddit. One of the top posts is Liam Cohen and Dave Canal is both one today. And the guy who posted it, his screen name is Fire. Todd Bowles. That's the third post. Another one is Grizzard on the sideline calling plays. There's a Scooby Doo post. Todd's press conference after the game. This is fine. Burn it all down really bad. They might be. I think them and the Bengals might be the two angriest fan bases right now because the Bucks actually have talent.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, for them not to win that division would be.

[B]

And they're all back. Godwin back, Evans back, as you mentioned, Igbuka, like, just on the. They play good def. So they're at Miami and then home and then the Carolina game is where it's all at. Right at home.

[A]

One thing I'll say about the bug, the Panthers. McMillan's really good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Every game he's. He's. You just feel him for three hours, just either going deep, making little third and nine, you know, sideline, big catches and traffic. He's. That was a really good pick.

[B]

I'm Texas, by the way. Sorry. McMillan is Offensive Rookie of the Year minus 2.

[A]

90.

[B]

The Shuck Master Tower Shuck plus 4. 30 and Igbuka plus 1700. Those are the top three all NFC south guys.

[A]

Well, Henderson, I think, could have been in the mix if he'd had a good game today. Texans, Raiders. We discussed Titans, Chiefs. It's yet another rock bottom for the Chiefs. I felt bad. It was officially a Feel bad for Kelsey. Guy's a Hall of Famer. He's getting married to Taylor Swift, having a kid with her. He probably flies everywhere private, has private security everywhere he goes. And he's just kind of running around this. This fucking Titans game trying not to.

[B]

Get hurt, paddling around with his loser.

[A]

Fake an injury. Yeah, fake an injury. And just. And. And the thing. Vikings, Giants.

[B]

That was sickening.

[A]

So the Giants, they had a red zone drive. I wrote this down the first quarter, and it ended in a turnover on downs. And they showed a graphic that it was the 10th time this year they've been in the red zone and lost the ball on a turnover or downs, which is the most in this 21st century.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So congratulations to them. I didn't even know that was. People were keeping track of that. JJ got hurt in that game. And Jaxson Dart might as well be hurt because they've completely neutered him. They don't let him do anything anymore. And what's left? If he's not gonna run around and be a maniac, what's left?

[B]

Well, that's. I'm on a text chain with Giants fans. I'm like, hey, this is what you wanted. You wanted him not to run. So here's. Here's what your non running quarterback looks like. They had 141 total yards of offense. I think he had seven yards and two rushes that he was forced to make. You know, nothing was designed. He had 33 yards passing. It was disgusting. And McCarthy goes out and they still can't win that game.

[A]

Can we hear more about your text thread with Giants fans?

[B]

No, that's.

[A]

That's as good as it's spread on it.

[B]

He's on and off. I think he left the conversation, stormed out.

[A]

Well, we have Giants Raiders. Next week is going to be the Mendoza Bowl. Yeah, that's it. Whoever wins that or ever loses that gets Mendoza.

[B]

I think we can't pick a line for that. Right.

[A]

That's just.

[B]

That's an exhibition. They can't. They can't have that.

[A]

We're doing it. Bill's Cleveland, we talked about, but we didn't mention Judkins broke his leg.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they did the. They've done this really smartly this year. Come back from commercial and they're like, we're not gonna show you the replay. And I think there should be a name for this when they do that. Like it's like a verb where they're just like, we're gonna have to Theisman that replay and we're just gonna keep it going. But it needs to have some sort of term.

[B]

So we just know it's interesting because we're gonna date ourselves here. But when Blackjack Mulligan would put the claw on somebody, they would put the big X. Yeah. So maybe it's. We're gonna take a Mulligan. Even though that's a golf term.

[A]

That X used to make me so bad.

[B]

I know. It used to scare me. Is there a murder? What happened?

[A]

Burning blood back.

[B]

There's yellow tape everywhere.

[A]

Yeah. For anyone listening, go on YouTube and search for Blackjack Mulligan censored claw. Yeah, that's, you know, just be all these clips of him and they're like, oh no. Oh no. And it would just be like a giant X. Yeah.

[B]

The graphic for the graphics were not great back Then it was basically the family feud X like and they just borrowed that.

[A]

Yeah Bengals, Dolphins, Bengals world we don't need to talk about that. It didn't matter except for fantasy Falcons, Cardinals. I think every single cardinal is hurt now.

[B]

Yeah right.

[A]

I think that by the end of the game I think everyone who started this season is done. And then Saints, Jets, Brady Cook probably not the answer my notes for that. Any other notes for today? How'd you do in the gambling?

[B]

I'm trying to think I I I did all right with the gambling. We can't hit our 107 picks by the way you fired House from the 107 didn't fire him. Are you sure he took a week off.

[A]

No House is he's very upset. Very upset. He wasn't upset at all. He couldn't have been happier not to not to do the pitch.

[B]

You can't fire people before Christmas.

[A]

You know better than I didn't fire him. Yeah it's not like I did better without him. I just have the bad juju no.

[B]

My dumb I'll say my dumb team 4,000 yard passer, two 1,000 yard receivers, a thousand yard rusher and officially out of the playoffs with three games to go. All two games.

[A]

Oh you're done team.

[B]

That's it. Nice going Jer. Good work Shotty no show to get today. Not that it matters at all that.

[A]

Was one that I threw into that was a late no the Chargers I did the okay by Sunday I was like oh Quinn Williams not playing like why are you why are the Cowboys going to win this it was one of those right But I don't did the Chargers what's their what are their best wins this year just out of curiosity. Denver I guess the Philadelphia and Pittsburgh right and they beat the Chiefs twice which I don't even think counts as the best win anymore. Yeah 11 and 4 and we've probably talked about them for three minutes total.

[B]

This right And I think they're good but they're not like I'd be surprised if four other teams weren't better than them in the AFC playoffs at least right we could make a run the.

[A]

Physical now Hampton's back they can run the ball they have a double double attack Johnson got going today Herbert seems you know is up and down extends.

[B]

It see a funny jet stat what is it you've seen this 15 straight games without an interception like what without.

[A]

Without them getting yeah like and and.

[B]

This is they faced two or twice they faced Gabriel Cousins Flacco shuck shuckleberry and now Drake and, and, and Josh Allen. Like, it must be nice for you to go there next week and be like, yeah, we're just not going to turn the ball over. Isn't that nice through the air?

[A]

I mean, that is a don't get hurt game if there's ever been one that's like, please, let's just, let's just leave without an injury. Tampa is minus 166 to win the. To make the playoffs and Carolina's plus 138. And that game is in Tampa. Right. So if you think Tampa, I mean, at this point, I don't even know who I would pick. How can you pick Tampa? And they've lost six to seven. What sign is there that they're going to turn it around?

[B]

I'm not going to chase good money with bad money. I already have so much on them. Like, that's disgusting that they're favored by so much.

[A]

And the colts are now minus 4,500 to miss the playoffs. So are the Lions. The Ravens are minus 1400 on FanDuel to miss the playoffs. Do you think pretty high numbers.

[B]

Rivers is better off with the extra week? We were talking about this on the pregame show or I heard it.

[A]

I would listen the entire pre. I watched the entire pregame show.

[B]

You don't have to.

[A]

But yeah, I did. I watched the whole thing.

[B]

Yeah, but they. I think the. What do you, what do you think though? Or do you think now that there's tape on the second version of him?

[A]

What is the tape? What did they learn? He couldn't make. Can move and he's old. The revelation.

[B]

Okay, so then he should be better then.

[A]

I think he should be better.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I think they're a live dog. Tomorrow.

[B]

I like them tomorrow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Beware, everybody.

[A]

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[B]

Amazon and Netflix, right?

[A]

Yeah. But Amazon just has one game and it's Broncos at Chiefs.

[B]

Denver Casey. Yeah.

[A]

Oof. A game that they probably paid a pretty penny for thinking.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

You know, you knew we both thought the Broncos were going to be good. The Chiefs of the Chiefs. Like, oh, this could be an incredible.

[B]

Right. Probably for the division. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Guess what you're getting. What's the guy's name? South Dakota State guy.

[B]

Yeah. It's not good. It's not good. But people will watch because it's finals. It's the final week for fantasy. Like football always gets nice ratings. Dallas, Washington do fine. Detroit, Minnesota will do well.

[A]

Who was the one? I'm stealing this from somebody and I can't remember who it is, so I apologize. Somebody else came up with this idea with Flacco.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That he should just always be available for teams in a pinch.

[B]

Oh, right, right.

[A]

He's not starting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That he should basically be the human fab. That for the Chiefs they could just. He's available almost like that. That backup quarterback commercial with Tommy DeVito. And the backup quarterbacks come in all time backup. And it should just be a pool of him and Jameis and Russell Wilson and they should just not be on teams. And they can only sign for a week for situations like this Christmas game.

[B]

I like it.

[A]

Blake Flacco, we need you for this Christmas game. It's Amazon's first Christmas game. We can't have Chris Olawaku. Whatever. We need a recognizable qb.

[B]

You're the fat uncle on Thanksgiving who. When the kids are running around a turkey bowl, you can't run routes. So you're going to. You're going to quarterback from both teams.

[A]

Yeah. It's like Russell. That could be Russell Wilson for the next two years. He's just not on A team. He's just available.

[B]

Should that be an award with the MVP and everything else? Like, every year changes or it doesn't change.

[A]

Yeah. Who else would be other than those three guys? Well, I guess that would be Phil Reed. Yeah, he's available every year.

[B]

Yeah, definitely.

[A]

I wonder, like, did Brady ever really think about it? I guess because he has that Raiders minority stake, but there was always that story that I got confirmed two years ago that he was like, if anything happened to anyone on San Francisco, he was, like, ready. Just made it clear, like, I'm working out, I'm ready if you end up needing me.

[B]

It's so funny because I heard that about Romo in San Francisco, too. So I wonder if that's just a thing with San Francisco.

[A]

I mean, Romo couldn't. His back was messed up six years ago. Like, there's no way, Right. All right. Guest alliance Three Christmas games.

[B]

Wait, what's the score in weeks? You gotta. I have to.

[A]

Have to get. All right.

[B]

Nine, seven. This is a good one.

[A]

Oh, you came back a little.

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

Cowboys at Washington. I thought Washington, spirited effort against the Eagles and then they just couldn't keep it going. Like, I think if Mariota hadn't gotten hurt, I actually think they would have covered that game and. Yeah, could have been a problem.

[B]

You know, the bundle makes us take bad quarterbacks and he's my ringer. 107 partner. I didn't know you could fire people. I didn't. You didn't make that clear. So I might just have to let him go.

[A]

But no firing.

[B]

He always makes us take bad quarterbacks. And the problem with having a bad quarterback in Mariota is when he gets hurt, it is an awful quarterback. And that's. That's what the great J.J. himself, Josh Johnson, has done.

[A]

Yeah. When he came in, that was definitely a. Oh, yeah. You. I didn't realize you were still here. They said he hadn't played in four years, right? Yeah. Cowboys at Washington. I'm going to say the Cowboys. It's in the tic tac zone. I'm going to say Cowboys minus one and a half.

[B]

Oh, that is not a good start.

[A]

What is it?

[B]

I said six. It's five and a half. Really not a good start. Yeah.

[A]

Why is the line so high? Is the Mariota playing?

[B]

I thought it's just Josh Johnson, isn't it?

[A]

Is Josh Johnson actually starting? I just thought Mariota left the game. Like, he's not going to play this week.

[B]

No. Wasn't it like a substantial. It Wasn't a concussion. What was Mariota's injury?

[A]

I don't know. I'm gonna look this up. Probably should have been more prepared. Injury update here, right? Yeah. Yeah, I thought he might play, though.

[B]

Well, you throw the ball with your hand. Oh, I forgot some quarterbacks still do.

[A]

Yeah, they're gonna shoot it up. They're like, dude, we can't start Josh Johnson.

[B]

Yeah, maybe not.

[A]

You gotta play.

[B]

All right, well, the Netflix needle, it's coming for you.

[A]

Next one is Lions at Vikings. So the Lions, are they officially out or are they almost out?

[B]

They have to run it. And Green Bay has to lose both.

[A]

I'm going to check their odds. Minus 4,500. So they're as good as out. And no J.J. mcCarthy. He really did seem like he got hurt.

[B]

Yes, he did.

[A]

Yeah, Brosmer came in. I had the Vikings in a multi team tease today that I was feeling great about and then all of a sudden Brosmer was in. But Brosmer wasn't terrible.

[B]

No, he wasn't. I think he realized, like, hey, I could throw an 8 yard out to the best receiver in football. And he's. He'll go get it. I think that's kind of what he did to extend that one drive.

[A]

I felt like he realized I should throw it to my own team. Right. That was one of his revelations. Lions minus two and a half over the Vikings is my guess.

[B]

All right, I'm going to get this too. I said three and a half. It's five and a half. Wow. They're going big.

[A]

I'm a mess.

[B]

They're not screwing around with these.

[A]

I like the Vikings. The Lions couldn't. They couldn't stop anything today. You have 230 yards rushing.

[B]

Is it a Brosmer thing? Do they shut JJ McCarthy down?

[A]

He has some of the worst TD celebrations we've seen in a while from a QB. He had one today.

[B]

He's not used to it.

[A]

He's like doing like his version of the discount double check Rogers thing, but I don't. It's like he's putting a gun back in a holster or something. I don't know what he's doing. Broncos at the Chiefs and I don't know who the Chiefs quarterback is going to be. I don't know how high to do this, but let's. Let's go. Let's go. Nine and a half.

[B]

Just for fun. Oh, wow. I said ten and a half. It's twelve and a half. Merry Christmas to me.

[A]

I'm getting smoked.

[B]

You love it. On a teaser that's a 13 pointer for you right there.

[A]

Oh, definitely. That's a leg.

[B]

Big star around that.

[A]

You know, Schrager talked me out of the titans in Ringer 107 because my philosophy just over the years is like when like you have like you're out and Mahomes is out, usually the team if it's like a former contender.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's usually like a crater. It's like you're just going into the center of the earth.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That turned out to be what happened. But we didn't take the Titans.

[B]

I was thinking of actually doing for the four awful teams, the Giants, Jets, Titans and Raiders. Money lining against them. 12 games. What do you go 10 for 12, 11 for 12. That might have been the only one that wins the rest of the way. Yeah.

[A]

At least nine for 12. Yeah, nine for 12.

[B]

I might do it for the last eight.

[A]

Saturday Chargers at home against the Houston Texans.

[B]

Well, it's like a. It's like a shaky's preview on a Saturday. Same, same time, everything. Yeah.

[A]

What are the potatoes? The mojo potatoes. Yeah, they've served mojo potatoes for this one. I think I would have said one and a half yesterday, but I'm going to say two and a half today. Chargers by two and a half.

[B]

You should have stay with it. I said two and a half. It is one and a half.

[A]

Oh my God, I'm a mess. This is a tough one. They Tic Tac'd it.

[B]

I'm not touching this. I don't see a million things can happen here.

[A]

The only case for Houston after watching every play of that game and being tortured by a CJ Stroud today is that they were trying to go as vanilla as possible because they knew they needed the Chargers game.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they just wanted to get through this game and not really anything. Sure. Packers home for the Ravens. So no idea if Lamar is playing well.

[B]

Lamar or. Or love.

[A]

Right, Right. So this is going to say it's a short week.

[B]

Not exactly short because they played Saturday night. But they let him back on a Saturday to Saturday.

[A]

For we've seen with concussions, it's usually nine to ten days. Seems like. So that would mean he would miss it. I'm going to say packers minus two and a half.

[B]

You got that? Exactly. I said one and a half.

[A]

Okay. All right. So I'm down. It's 131 right now. Sunday marquee. You think it's Bill's Eagles or Jags quotes?

[B]

I think it's Bill's Eagles.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Even though they're Both in.

[A]

That's fine. I had Jags, Colts, but I'm.

[B]

Do whatever you want.

[A]

No, I think you're right. I think I wanted it to be Jags, Colts, because it would have been so much fun to have an AFC South Sunday marquee game in a week 17, right after Christmas. Bill's Eagles. Bill's. I'm going to say Bill's. Minus two and a half. I said three.

[B]

It's two and a half. You get it. Are the Eagles all the way back? Were you impressed with them? No.

[A]

Never impressed by them. I was watching with Carrie, my wife was. Well, you know, that's my wife. But for the audience, making Christmas cookies and having drinks yesterday with her friends. And I went over and I was like, is the Eagles game going to be on? Yeah, it's going to be on. So I went over and one of our friends, their husband Robin, big Eagles fan, like, wouldn't come over. And I'm just texting, just come over. You're going to win. Just come over. And he came over. But these Eagles fans are just at another level of torture. Like, they almost can't be around other people when there's an Eagles game, Right? It's really like a. Like a specific kind of species. They're just not. They're almost like, not. You know, like, when they have, like, people adopt wolves, you see, like, on Instagram, like, I've adopted a wolf. It's domesticated. It's like, yeah, but it's still a wolf, right? Like, you don't. It can still go wolf at any time. That's what Eagles fans are like. Just not sure. You don't know if they're just going to flip out.

[B]

Well, they're all crazy. But I think there's two kinds of crazy, right? There's the ones that want to watch alone and trust themselves or don't trust.

[A]

Themselves, like unibom style.

[B]

And then there's the ones, the shirtless ones are breathing fire, who want to be around everybody and just want to kick everybody's ass. And if they happen to catch a glimpse of the game along the way, then fine.

[A]

So, no. But then there's the third one. It's like, I shouldn't be around other people, but I'll come over. All right? And then they're just reining it in, which I think is. Rob Robin did a good job. He was. He stayed in. But they were also winning. Yeah, but it's just sitting there. And it was funny because we were with another friend of ours. Jeff is A huge longtime Bears fan, like forever. Just can't believe they have in this season where like good things are happening. Yeah. Which is fun to be around when somebody's like I just can't believe this is happening for us. Do that.

[B]

Don't get mad at people like us that point out when they're down six with two minutes left. 14 out of 16 games.

[A]

Yeah. What's the maddest you've ever been at a Cowboys game where you're around other people?

[B]

That's a good question. It's. It's been a while. I've been sad more than mad, I think. I don't know. Like, I mean obviously I cried at the Clark. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I think the best thing I've ever seen was it must have been 20 plus years ago. We were at Jimmy's house.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What was the terrible Giants playoff loss with the guy like miss. They missed the extra point.

[B]

Patrick Brayton didn't run the route when Eli beat us. Yeah, yeah, that's.

[A]

No, no, no. This. I'm talking like 03. Something bad happened on a kicking thing.

[B]

Shocking.

[A]

It was.

[B]

It was a field goal. The snap was bad. But they ended up throwing it downfield and it was complete. But they called it incomplete. Well, I didn't get mad at. I got mad at that.

[A]

No, Brad left.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Remember he left and he didn't have a car and he was just gone and nobody knew where he went.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he was just gone.

[B]

Right, right, right. And he didn't know how to get down the hill. I think Sarah Silverman found him like an hour later.

[A]

He was in Burbank. Just wondering. Burbank screaming about the giant sauce. That was one of the best ones.

[B]

Yeah, that was good. All right.

[A]

Bills minus two and a half. One wrinkle with that game. There's only two late games on Sunday.

[B]

Yeah, I saw that.

[A]

So we have.

[B]

Why is that?

[A]

We have Bill's Eagles and then we have the Mendoza Bowl, Giants, Vegas. Those are the only two games we have. Why can't they give us a third game? Second enough for a multi view.

[B]

Yeah, that is weird. That's. There has to be a reason. Are those both? Does CBS have something else?

[A]

I think they wanted to blow out the Eagles Bills game.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Well they blew it out. All right. And now we're going to have to bet the Giants, Vegas.

[A]

You know we do have though. NBA whole Bill is going to point out that same day Philadelphia OKC on Sunday the red hot Celtics playing Portland. Okay, so there'll be enough.

[B]

I might actually watch. That's a little multi view action there.

[A]

Watchables two Jags, Colts. You said this wasn't a Sunday marquee.

[B]

It doesn't matter what I say.

[A]

I think this has to be over three now combined. Phil Rivers combined with how well the Jags are playing and then what the Niners line was today. So I'm going to say Jaguars by four.

[B]

Oh good. I said four and a half. It's six and a half.

[A]

Oh wow.

[B]

They're not letting you have a free anything anymore.

[A]

They're just jacking everything up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That'S pretty high I think because there's a chance the Colts could be good tomorrow and then you'll feel like, all right, Colts at home, Seahawks at the Panthers. I said Seahawks minus three.

[B]

Wow. I said four and it's seven and a half.

[A]

I haven't been off like this all year. This is like. That's four games now and I've been off by four points.

[B]

Well, and it's not even like the favorites dominated today. Right. And everybody like the.

[A]

Why would that be seven and a half? It's in Carolina though, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You agree with that? Sam Darnold laying seven and a half points in Carolina.

[B]

And it's not even like that passes.

[A]

The sniff test to you?

[B]

No, not really. Not really. This is a revenge game. I don't know what this is, but it's not even like if Tampa wins, they wouldn't have to play or anything like that. Yeah, that's strange. Is that still seven and a half?

[A]

Seven and a half. I just have no feel for this anymore. This is one of those years. I got to rally for the playoffs. Can I tell you, with a Rocky Balboa, I got to go to a cabin, start lifting some sleds, start chasing.

[B]

Some chickens or something. I know you talked about Seattle on your Friday pod, but can I tell you one thing that really it's like, like the bad. The lateral two point conversion. Everybody hates it. The refs got it wrong and everything. That was awful. But the intercept, it was Ernest Jones picks the ball off but the, the tip of the ball hits the turf. Right?

[A]

I know.

[B]

And he's like, come on guys, let's go celebrate.

[A]

And they said Everybody runs for 60 yards.

[B]

Everyone runs for 60 yards two plays. So of course then they say it's not an interception. Two plays later, Puka's wide open for a touchdown. And it's because the 325 pound idiot who had to run and celebrate at the end of the fields. Like, damn, I can't get a pass rush here. Like, if you're going to run and bring your team to celebrate, make sure it's more than a 50, 50 thing that you. You're going to get this interception.

[A]

They should put the camera on the defensive line, guys. Kind of like should, should we, should we wait? Can we hold on? We're just going to wait. Wait two more seconds.

[B]

It's like the bullpen when there's a brawl, right? Yeah. Oh, boy. We really have to. By the time we get to deep second base, the fighting's going to be over. We have to run out.

[A]

Is Wilson Contreras any good? Speaking of business, I saw that.

[B]

That's not a bad. That's not a bad.

[A]

I don't know anything about the National League. He's all right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. All right. Fairly watchables. Three Steelers Browns in Cleveland. I'm going to do the honor system and not change my picks because they've been jacked up beyond belief. I had Steelers -6, which is probably too low.

[B]

You're going to get it. I said seven and a half. It's four and a half.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Could this, could they blow this? Would it matter? I'm trying to think now because this is the kind of team that could maybe make Rogers uncomfortable a little bit.

[A]

Well, it goes back to my analogy earlier of like just old guys playing sports. Like, what happens if he just sleeps wrong on Wednesday night? It's like, ah, right, right, right. Oh, man. I was watching below deck and my fucking necks got stuck below deck. I was thinking the show Aaron Rodgers would watch, I was catching up on somewhere. I turned pretty and I fucking fell asleep and my pillow just Bucks at Dolphins.

[B]

I mean, I don't want to watch.

[A]

One minute of this game. I don't want to watch the Bucks anymore.

[B]

I think I'm good with the Bucks.

[A]

I really empathize with their fan base.

[B]

I'm drawn to it on the four box and it's almost all bad shit always. If you're rooting for the Bucks, and I am, with this big season long.

[A]

Bet, I wonder if this could be Andrew Catalan's 201st game.

[B]

Oh, is he? Oh, he didn't retire after 200.

[A]

He's going to keep going.

[B]

Oh, wow, a trooper.

[A]

What's the proper anniversary number for that? You'd be impressed. Like, we could say, like, this is our. How many guest alliance have we done? We've done 18.

[B]

How many years?

[A]

21 a year for 20 years. So we could be like this is our 400th guest alliance, but I feel like 500 is a good number. Yeah.

[B]

When Collinsworth announced 50. Collinsworth announces 500th. I don't remember.

[A]

Feels like a number.

[B]

I don't remember his 300th or 400. Right. I feel like they kept that quiet until it got to the. The golden number, whatever it would be.

[A]

Yeah, 500 feels like.

[B]

Congratulations, Andrew. That's still good.

[A]

I mean, you know, it's still not as impressive as Chris Meyer's 132 Panthers.

[B]

Games in a row.

[A]

That's like the fucking Joe DiMaggio.

[B]

These guys got a residency. He's like Mariah Carey at whatever stadium that is.

[A]

September to December every year. He said Charlotte. That's it.

[B]

Set the sphere in Raleigh.

[A]

He's got to be so excited. They're good.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

The Panthers are 8 and 7. This is amazing. Bucks Dolphins. I don't want to watch this game. And I'm going to get the line wrong. I said minus three and a half.

[B]

I hit it exactly four and a half Vegas zone. Why didn't I guess watch Miami win this easily?

[A]

Just watch A Chan might be the best running back of all time and we'll never know. He's just every once in a while he just bust like a 55 yarder. He's got no quarterback. They have no receivers.

[B]

He wasn't when I needed a Monday night against the Steelers. Like, we all fell for that.

[A]

Patriots at the Jets. I had this in double figures even before the line inflation. For this week I had Patriots minus 10 and a half, which is too low.

[B]

You get me? No, it's nine and a half. Unless it changed. I said 11. Wait a minute. It changed. And I'm being honest. It's 12 and a half now. I'm not screwing around.

[A]

That was shady.

[B]

I know.

[A]

That was like the fucking pass interference column booty.

[B]

I wouldn't have done it that way if I was going to cheat.

[A]

12 and a half.

[B]

Why did I figure it was so much?

[A]

Cause the Pats have a chance to get the one seed and they need to turn the jets on.

[B]

All right, so we need a third team because Denver's going to win on the road. The Patriots are going to want on when on the road.

[A]

When they're at 10, I want them to take May out.

[B]

Really?

[A]

The Giant Stadium turf is terrifying. I mean, this is literally like going into an empty conjuring house when you go play there. It's the. What's the scarier stadium? Maybe Cincinnati.

[B]

Yeah, it's bad it used to be Philly, right?

[A]

Yeah. Philly used to be veterans way back when.

[B]

Whoever you put in, doesn't matter. They don't get interceptions.

[A]

You're fine.

[B]

True. You should play. Get your.

[A]

Bring some Josh Dobbs in, get in.

[B]

The sauna and then go out to MetLife.

[A]

Poop factor. Bengals, Cardinals. Does that one qualify? The Cardinals have no healthy starters left.

[B]

Yeah, I think that's.

[A]

They've zero guys that started the year. Bengals minus four and a half over the Cardinals.

[B]

I had six and it's six and a half.

[A]

Wow. I'm just.

[B]

Come on, come on, get with it. The holiday's coming up. I don't get. The Bengals are the. I mean, what, there's like a dozen perplexing teams. The Bengals, are they at the top of the list? Are the Falcons still at the top? I just. Joe Burrows doing like a Joaquin Phoenix. Every time he does an interview, just a press conference.

[A]

And then he had zero points last week. Zero points. 38 fantasy points.

[B]

Shut out, then four touchdowns today. Don't understand it at all.

[A]

Saints at Titans. The Saints are, I think, legitimately frisky. I'm going to say Saints minus two and a half.

[B]

You'll get this. I said one and a half. It is three. How about that? They're favored on the road shuck.

[A]

I would have been better off starting shuck this week for CJ Stroud. Shuck had like 20 points. Raiders home for the Giants and the Mendoza Bowl. They were playing hard for Pete today. They showed on the sidelines that it was like there's some turnover happen or something. And he was celebrating the players. He turned around and Landon Roberts slapped him in the ass. Like a way to go Pete. And Pete kind of jumped. Pete's like 77. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't slap Pete in the ass. I know he looks like a young guy, but. No, don't slap Pete. Pete.

[B]

This should be a sign as you enter the state.

[A]

Yeah, don't touch Pete.

[B]

Don't stop Pete in the ass. Yeah, they should have won. That's such a bummer that they didn't win that game.

[A]

I have a Raiders minus four.

[B]

Ooh, Raiders minus four. I said Giants.

[A]

It's in Vegas.

[B]

Raiders are home. I said Giants minus one. It's Giants minus two and a half.

[A]

What?

[B]

Well, the Raiders are the very worst, aren't they?

[A]

I'm just kidding. It's like I've complete. I'm like the Chiefs. I've completely fallen apart. I used to be a dynasty.

[B]

I wouldn't get down on yourself for not getting this game. I mean, it really shouldn't even. This is a Tyson exhibition fight. Like, it shouldn't be on the board.

[A]

Yeah, but the Giants were terrible today. They can't. They couldn't even throw the ball. Dart had two yards at halftime.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. Sunday night, 49ers, Bears. This game actually might mean something. It's in San Francisco. I have the 49ers by three.

[B]

Yeah, you have it exactly. I said two. I was a little low there.

[A]

I really have to get back to the drawing board with these guest lines.

[B]

Yeah, I'm going to be one right up on you. Nine performance.

[A]

Monday night. Rams at Falcons. I have Rams minus six and a half in Atlanta.

[B]

That's what I said. Eight and a half's the number.

[A]

Oh, my God. Like they've inflated the lines this week. Yeah. So is there something with the holidays or what's going on?

[B]

I guess so. People will be boozing it up. More bets than ever. But let's just focus on us here for a second. Denver just to win, the Rams just to win, and your Patriots just to win. You love that.

[A]

Denver trying to think who I don't trust. Rams, Patriots. That's pretty good. Yeah. All three teams need the games.

[B]

Yeah, we're good. That's good.

[A]

Let that be the only thing we do. So in real life. In real life, I hit a five teamer.

[B]

You talk about. No one does these. 13 point teaser.

[A]

It's like this was a seven point tees.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

All right. Philadelphia yesterday. Washington up to plus 14 at both sides. Barely got that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bears plus six. Had no business getting that.

[B]

That's fine.

[A]

Jacksonville plus ten and a half. And then Ravens plus four was pushed.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So it ended up winning two to one instead of like three and a half to one. But the Ravens pushed on the plus four.

[B]

The Ravens.

[A]

Very exciting.

[B]

That was a.

[A]

One of the dumbest bets I've made all year. Yeah, it was. When the. When The Ravens were minus 3.

[B]

When were they minus 3?

[A]

Swung at the plus 4.

[B]

I guess it went to the. Yeah, it went all the way up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, good. You're getting good at these. I don't know how many more weeks are going to let us win these.

[A]

But then I had a 141 parlay. Buffalo money. Minnesota money. Tennessee plus 155. Chargers money. Tampa money. Lost.

[B]

Scumbags.

[A]

I could have just bet all of them individually.

[B]

Just. Just every touchdown was a field goal.

[A]

Just jerks.

[B]

Nonsense.

[A]

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[B]

Well, we didn't talk about Joshua Paul. Right?

[A]

Oh, let's talk about that. Yeah, I had a good time. I enjoyed it.

[B]

That was good. Oh, you went. What do you mean?

[A]

No, I had a good time watching. Okay.

[B]

Oh yeah, good time watching.

[A]

Like a complete spectacle of a disgrace. But I, I was pretty riveted for the entire fight.

[B]

Well, but Warren, I mean I was like I was getting very upset with the state of the world when we bet Joshua pretty big for us to win by knockout. Right. I could tell people that. And you know when he think we.

[A]

Weren'T alone on betting the -380 knockout.

[B]

Yeah, it's. And like he was hanging with him. My gosh, he's going to carry him for eight rounds. And this is what sucks about betting and it sucks about boxing. And. And we were sure he was going to knock him out. And then he walloped them in the fifth. And to Jake Paul's credit, like he was over 15 in takedown attempts. But he was, he was knocked down behind me. Rob. Yeah, trouble. He was knocked down four times. He didn't have to get up the first three. He was done for.

[A]

So I also thought he landed a legitimate right. He did. Yeah. That like he can take that as he's recovering from his shattered jaw for the next six months. He could at least be like I landed a right on that Dude, But Joshua, this is the problem with normal people, no matter how long they train, stepping in with somebody like that is if they actually connect with a flush. Right. We're watching on Instagram boxing, best knockouts ever. And it's like Duran takes that from Hearns and his jaw doesn't shatter, and he's fighting again in three months. Jake Paul takes that and his teeth go into his. Basically his tongue. Yeah.

[B]

He's got a balloon head now for weeks. But I. I do. He is a tough bastard for hanging in there.

[A]

And he's impressive.

[B]

Impressive. And he got 92 million. And I got 92 million laughs watching him get busted up. So that was good.

[A]

Is that how much he got?

[B]

They said they both got around.92 million. That's what I saw.

[A]

What?

[B]

I know.

[A]

This is insane.

[B]

Why? What's Netflix going to be?

[A]

That seems high. That seems like a high number. I don't know.

[B]

I don't know why it was reported. It seems pretty exact, though.

[A]

92. Well, it seems more believable than if they had said 90.

[B]

Yeah, I guess so.

[A]

92 is like, hey, you got 92 million, 92.7. Well, so does he fight again? That was it. He cashed in because people are like, why is he doing this? And he's like, he's doing this because he's cashing in. He's making an incredible amount of money. Yeah.

[B]

I think he'll be smarter about it, line up three more YouTubers and then fight someone who he could maybe beat who's 44 or something.

[A]

This sets up fury. Joshua in England would be my guess. Yeah, that'll be the next one.

[B]

That'll be good, but.

[A]

And then we have. There's wrestling in January. There's big card.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Big. What is it? Royal Rumble. Did you see Chalamet on Cody Rhodes? No.

[B]

What'd he do?

[A]

Chalamet went on the Cody Rhodes podcast as a guest and was, like, a legitimate wrestling fan.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Like, legitimate. Just made me wonder. It just got my interest as he's in Oscar promotion time.

[B]

Just run him in with the masked man.

[A]

Do we see him run in with a mask on? Everyone thinks that Seth Rollins, like, oh, my God, it's Timothy Chalamet. Marty supreme is here. He's hitting people with, like, a ping pong paddle.

[B]

I like it. I like it.

[A]

That'd be a good promotion.

[B]

It's Bob Dylan from the dead.

[A]

Who would you want him feuding with? Tom.

[B]

Oh, that's a good one. Yeah.

[A]

Dominic.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The problem is Chalmet is A pretty skinny dude. Like, he's. He probably weighs, like, he gets tossed around.

[B]

Could he play a heel, though? He really hasn't.

[A]

Maybe he's a manager. He does like the Cyndi Lauper thing, right? Right. Attaches himself to somebody.

[B]

Start him off like that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I think that's a good move. That's the kind of stuff he should be doing to try to win an Oscar.

[B]

Definitely.

[A]

Coming into the Royal Rumble. I think that's the kind of fight.

[B]

Jake Paul maybe for 95 million.

[A]

So you think Jake Paul fights again?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why not? There's another 30 million somewhere for him.

[A]

I don't. Wouldn't want to get punched in the face.

[B]

He did look bad. Man, I can't believe those pictures. I mean, I really. Now, with AI, you don't trust anything, but there are some crazy hospital pictures circulating.

[A]

I don't think those are real because I saw one of those, too, and I was like, but, yeah, I don't know if that's real.

[B]

All right.

[A]

All right, Parent Corner, let's do it.

[B]

So I told you I meant to sent this to you before, but. So when I watch games during the day, like, Archie's on Sunday, like, Archie's home now. My oldest. So he'll come by in the studio, and it's right after the pregame show, and I just, like, veg out and watch and we order food. My middle guy, Jack, the youngest one, had a baseball tournament, so I wasn't around for that. But Jack goes to a bar with strangers. I told you. The Steelers bar. Right, A local Steelers bar. And now he's, like, friends with, like, people my age. Like, and it was just weird to me that, like, he's like, now he's ditched me, but is hanging with people my age. Like, it's one thing if he has a girlfriend, right? His friends his age, but he's hanging. And he's, like, posting pictures of it and, like, posting reels and stuff, and they're singing songs. I'm like, he likes these strangers better than me. Someone bought him a Christmas gift. It was like a Steelers mug. And, like, what the hell? What is going on here? So I guess I just need a little therapy to be okay with this. But his new friends are not of his age, but of kind of my age, and they're. They're complete strangers.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

I don't know. Like, and then I'm like, you know, like, you know.

[A]

All right, so do you feel you have to do a background check of everybody?

[B]

I feel Like I do and then I'm. Then the other thing is this is being selfish, but the day after Christmas, December 26th, Friday, I have to take him to weigh in for his wrestling tournament in Upland, California, which is I think 90 minutes away. Weigh ins are 7am There are no buses. The team doesn't have a bus. I have to bring them like so we have to wake up at 5:30 the day after Christmas to get the way. Oh my God. And I'm like, why don't you middle aged Steelers pals drive you, buddy? You know?

[A]

Yeah, those guys.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Show up in a Cam Hayward jersey.

[B]

Yeah, get the Cam Hayward. Get the sprinter van and, and he takes you.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I got to get over it. I just think it's a little weird. I'll send you the, I'll send you the video.

[A]

I don't have a parent corner this week. It's been, it's been a good week for the fam because just my kids are home and yeah, my, my daughter's home for the holidays. Christmas is during the week. I've turned into like the lightning rod of the family. They just, they call me the shitster and the pot stirrer.

[B]

Why?

[A]

It kind of teams up on me. I don't know. Like they always like I. Oh, you started this because you brought up whatever. So they all team up. I think they all like having like a three on one against me.

[B]

Well, that's a perfect.

[A]

But it's good to have the family dynamic back.

[B]

Yeah, it really is. Yeah.

[A]

Well, it's weird because I mean your family's the same way. Right? Like we just make sarcastic comments. That's what we do. That's like how we grew up. But now you have this generation of the under 25s where like every sarcastic comment needs to be like addressed. Yeah, addressed. Why'd you say that? You're trying to start something with me and I'm like, I'm just doing what I always do. Yeah. But yeah, it just seems like I'm getting tag teamed up a lot, which I'm fine with. That's.

[B]

Do they threaten to leave you and go watch football with like middle aged men that they don't know?

[A]

They haven't done that yet.

[B]

Oh, that's coming.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. But it's a lot of like we're just going to go out and get food. You won't come because there's basketball on. It's like I got to trying to figure out my, my footing, my footing in the house.

[B]

Do you find While we're talking about footing in the house, I recognize less and less or fewer and fewer Christmas cards. Like, I. We might have talked about this last year, but I'm at, like, 40% of people. I'll open it up.

[A]

That would be a good. That would be a good thing to keep track of.

[B]

I'm like, who is this? And sometimes my wife Melissa's like, you know them? We met them at that party and three years ago, and they have the son who plays the tuba. Like, I. I don't know. But then there are some people nobody knows. Like, I feel like people are getting my address and just sending stuff. You must have a few of those. Do you look at the cards?

[A]

You definitely do.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Well, my wife has her whole. Cause she plays tennis six times a week, and there's all these people from the club that I have no idea who they are.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I think she barely does either. Yeah. And that's when people send the cards.

[B]

Like, we've been divorced, and she let me back in the house after five years, and now I'm looking at these cards. I'm like, oh, well, who are all these new friends? Except I have. We're not divorced, and I live here.

[A]

I did have another parent corner topic. Having gone through all the stages of when you have kids, like in nursery school, pre K, elementary school, and then junior high, high school, and the kind of parent dynamic, having people that I'm friends with or that I work with, like people like Fennecy and Jeff Chow who have little kids or smaller kids. Right. And they're now going into it, like in the elementary part. Listen to them talk about the parents and how you become friends with the people your wife made friends with because they had a play date. And it's like, you would love her husband. And then you have to go on these dates, these double dates with these guys you never met. It's always easier for the girls to get along than the guys. And it's funny being like the Mr. Miyagi for these situations. Right. Where it's like, just. Just find out who likes sports and just go. Go that way.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

But that. That's it. Right. Like, when we get shoved in these situations, it's like, please God, let this person. Like sports.

[B]

Yeah. Three kinds of Eagles fans. Well, that could go the other way. That could go the other way, too. Because if they're a. Know it all about sports and. And, you know.

[A]

Oh, that could get. Yeah, that could get ugly. Yeah.

[B]

I don't want to seem like pompous. But it's like, I don't want to talk to you. I want to talk to Simmons about this and my son.

[A]

The worst part is, though, like, oh, the NFL playoffs run this week. You get those guys.

[B]

Oh, this game's on Saturday. Yes, this game's on Saturday.

[A]

Yeah, I don't really follow sports. Like, all right, there's not going to be a lot to work with here. I feel like we lucked out with our elementary school parent friends, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, we had, like, a good crew. I don't think that is always the case for people when you get stuck in the playdate circle of friends, when people start getting together. But anyway, it was fun to be older than that, watching other people go through it. I was like, oh, yeah, I remember those days. So relieved that somebody knew there was two wild card games that night. Like, oh, this guy. I like this guy. Or somebody mentions they have us up early watching Premier League. I was like, oh, this might be a good one. Yeah, right?

[B]

Until your wife pulls you aside. It's like, he cheats on his wife. Don't talk to him. He slept with the third grade. He's the only one I like here. I don't care who he slept with.

[A]

Oh, my God. Can you imagine having being having Daniel in your parent group?

[B]

Why did you make that leap from when I said that?

[A]

This guy at our thing, his name's Daniel, he bet $2,500 on the red Sox to win the World Series in December.

[B]

He brought lemon shots to the PTA meeting. You gotta meet him.

[A]

Oh, all right. That's it for Parent Corner.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

Anything else?

[B]

No, we're honest. Happy holidays, all that. But you're going to say what we're going to be on Thursday.

[A]

Oh, we're popping on the Netflix pregame show. We're shooting a little Hell yeah. Little short segment for them.

[B]

That's going to be fun.

[A]

And then what are you doing for Bringer? Gambling.

[B]

Tuesday, Wednesday with just Tuesday, Just Tuesday with Tate and then with you on Thursday on Netflix. I have to lose weight before Thursday. I want to look. I want to look.

[A]

How are you going for that? Take Peptides.

[B]

I'm going to go run now. I'm going to go run to that Steelers bar downtown.

[A]

How bad are Ringer 107 picks going to be when we're making them on Tuesday for the Sunday game? We could have had one of the five shows do. Well, it doesn't.

[B]

I'll say this because the super contest, which. Which we're trying to Copy because they copied us. Right? We fueled that one. If you look at that, the medium score or the mean score is also bad. So we just. It's. It's rotten. Like 29 teams have given up. It's not our fault.

[A]

Well, you told. Did we talk about this last week? The zfl, the thing we do with Gus every week.

[B]

Oh, yeah. No. What, what was it?

[A]

The ZFL? The PIX League. Yeah. He's had since like 1990. He said this is by far the worst picks, records we've ever had across the board. It's the worst. So I don't really know the reasons for it other than I feel like it's like 2008. That was the last really weird football year that ended up being Steelers, Cardinals in the Super Bowl. The year Brady blew out his acl. Just a whole bunch of weird shit happened. It was really hard to figure out all year what was happening. Maybe that's what this year is.

[B]

I mean, if we have.

[A]

The Bears are going to be the one seed.

[B]

No, that's right.

[A]

Having set the record for most comeback wins in the last two minutes of a game, obviously this is a weird year. Mahomes pulls out his acl. Drake May becomes an elite quarterback out of nowhere. Trevor Lawrence figures it out in year six. Maybe it's just one of those years. Right?

[B]

And Mahomes was losing every one score game before that. Right?

[A]

Right. Who knows? All right, I'll see you on Netflix.

[B]

Yeah. Let's go.

[A]

Good job by you, Sal. Good job by you, buddy. Thanks to Gahao and Eduardo as well. And I'm going to be back with another podcast on Tuesday. And we have a big rewatchables coming on Monday too. So stay tuned for that big, big movie that came out this decade.

[B]

Really? Yeah.

[A]

I'm not even gonna say what it is, but it's last movie we're doing this year. Then we have a special show end of the year.

[B]

But it's a show.

[A]

I'll see you in a couple days.

[B]

All right. You.

[A]

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