Catch Me If You Ken I 5. The Wallet

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Binge Cases: Catch Me If You Ken – Episode 5: The Wallet

Introduction

In Episode 5 of Catch Me If You Ken, titled "The Wallet," host Natalie Robomed delves deeper into the intricate web spun by the elusive scammer Ken. This episode focuses on Antonio, a classical musician from Italy, whose encounter with Ken leads to significant financial loss and emotional turmoil. Through Antonio's story, the episode explores the psychological manipulation employed by Ken and the broader impact of his scams on his victims.

Meeting Ken Online

The episode opens by introducing Antonio, a classical musician with a bohemian flair living in a stylish apartment in Italy during the Spring of 2022, amidst the ongoing pandemic. Seeking connection and financial stability after live music opportunities dwindled, Antonio turns to a Discord group focused on day trading and cryptocurrency. Within this group, a member posing as a Google X employee showcases impressive trading logs, establishing himself as a "superstar investor."

Antonio (02:28): "I'm an artistic sort of personality, and I like to learn and I like to take challenges in new territories of knowledge."

Intrigued by the potential for financial gain, Antonio reaches out privately to this individual for trading tips, unknowingly initiating a relationship with Ken.

Building the Friendship

Their online interactions quickly develop into a close friendship. Ken, adopting the alias Kai Bent Young, shares his insights and presents himself as both a financial savior and a spiritual brother to Antonio.

Antonio (05:03): "Because I was living a very isolated life at the time. Meeting this guy was liberating."

Under Ken’s guidance, Antonio experiences remarkable financial success, turning $20,000 into over $100,000 through timely cryptocurrency investments. This newfound prosperity and the personal connection deepen Antonio's trust in Ken.

Antonio (06:13): "I invested at the right moment. And so in less than one year, I 5X'd my investment. I made out like $100,000 and more."

The Reality Unfolds

As their relationship progresses, Ken introduces Antonio to further investment opportunities, including an eco-friendly resort project in Costa Rica. Fueled by success, Antonio doubles his investment to $20,000 and involves his family, transferring a total of $108,000 to Ken.

However, doubts begin to surface when a friend informs Antonio that no one named Kai Bent Young works at Google. This revelation prompts Antonio to investigate further.

Antonio (11:20): "Yeah. And then I said, oh, this is creepy. And I started being really nervous."

Upon verifying the identification documents provided by Ken, Antonio discovers the true identity behind Kai Bent Young: Kenya Nai. This realization confirms suspicions that he has been scammed.

Antonio (13:06): "Here I was in what psychologists call cognitive dissonance. You know, like it cannot be, but it is completely in the same moment."

Confrontation and Aftermath

Determined to reclaim his losses, Antonio locks Ken in the apartment and contacts the local police. However, Italian authorities face challenges in detaining Ken due to insufficient evidence of digital fraud.

Antonio (18:59): "He was just repeating, it's my right to talk to a lawyer. What you're doing to me is not legal."

Ken is briefly detained but ultimately released after 48 hours, as per Italian law, leaving Antonio without immediate recourse.

Connecting with Other Victims

Feeling abandoned, Antonio tracks Ken’s movements to a hotel in Puglia. During this time, he receives a call from Nancy, another victim who initiated an Instagram campaign exposing Ken’s scams. Nancy shares her experiences and those of other victims, including Sophie, Ken’s ex-girlfriend.

Antonio (20:49): "Nancy reached me on the phone and started asking me info and she started sharing the story."

Sophie informs Antonio that she has partially recovered her funds, reigniting his hope that Ken might rectify his actions. Indeed, Ken sends Antonio a partial repayment of $6,000, though it remains unclear if more funds will follow.

Antonio (27:37): "It's a chain. It's a very crazy chain."

Psychological Impact and Continuing Struggle

The financial loss devastates Antonio, not just economically but also emotionally, shaking his ability to trust others and leading to self-doubt. Despite some repayment, the majority of his investment remains unrecovered, and Ken continues to evade legal consequences.

Antonio (26:04): "I mean, psychologically, my mind was not performing. I sort of built another reality because the reality was sucking at the moment I met this total stranger, which I projected on my desire for a friend."

Antonio maintains contact with Sophie, hoping for further assistance from additional victims, but progress remains slow due to the anonymous nature of cryptocurrency transactions.

Conclusion

"The Wallet" poignantly illustrates the profound impact of Ken's scams on his victims, highlighting both the financial and emotional scars left behind. Antonio's journey underscores the complexities of digital fraud and the challenges faced by victims seeking justice. As the episode concludes, the pursuit of Ken continues, with Antonio as the final confirmed individual to have met him in person, leaving listeners anticipating the final episode of the series.

Natalie Robomed (32:37): "The victims can the cops in Italy, Germany, the US aren't interested. So we're going on the chase both to find Ken and to find out everything we can about the man known as Kenya Nai."

Looking Forward

The series promises to unravel the remaining mysteries surrounding Ken’s identity and operations, culminating in a final pursuit to bring him to justice.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Antonio (02:28): "I'm an artistic sort of personality, and I like to learn and I like to take challenges in new territories of knowledge."
• Antonio (05:03): "Because I was living a very isolated life at the time. Meeting this guy was liberating."
• Antonio (06:13): "I invested at the right moment. And so in less than one year, I 5X'd my investment. I made out like $100,000 and more."
• Antonio (11:20): "Yeah. And then I said, oh, this is creepy. And I started being really nervous."
• Antonio (13:06): "Here I was in what psychologists call cognitive dissonance. You know, like it cannot be, but it is completely in the same moment."
• Antonio (18:59): "He was just repeating, it's my right to talk to a lawyer. What you're doing to me is not legal."
• Antonio (20:49): "Nancy reached me on the phone and started asking me info and she started sharing the story."
• Antonio (26:04): "I mean, psychologically, my mind was not performing. I sort of built another reality because the reality was sucking at the moment I met this total stranger, which I projected on my desire for a friend."
• Antonio (27:37): "It's a chain. It's a very crazy chain."
• Natalie Robomed (32:37): "The victims can the cops in Italy, Germany, the US aren't interested. So we're going on the chase both to find Ken and to find out everything we can about the man known as Kenya Nai."

Final Thoughts

Episode 5 of Catch Me If You Ken meticulously captures the descent of a trusting individual into the trap of a sophisticated scammer. Through Antonio's narrative, listeners gain insight into the emotional and financial devastation wrought by Ken’s deceit, emphasizing the importance of vigilance and the profound need for support among victims of such frauds.

Transcript

[Natalie Robomed]

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[Antonio]

Two or three hundred people signed up to this group, but only 30 were usually online.

[Natalie Robomed]

Antonio is a classical musician with a bohemian flair and speaks English with a thick Italian accent.

[Antonio]

I'm an artistic sort of personality, and I like to learn and I like to take challenges in new territories of knowledge.

[Natalie Robomed]

When live music disappeared during the pandemic, Antonio got into day trading and cryptocurrency. That's what this Discord group is all about, people sharing their tips and tricks for making money via stocks. One guy in particular seems to be an investing genius.

[Antonio]

He posted logs of incredible trades. You know, like he established himself as a reputation in this group.

[Natalie Robomed]

This guy seems to get it right all the time. He apparently works at Google X, the tech giant's super secret experimental arm. Antonio thinks. No wonder he's so good at day Trading. He's a tech genius.

[Antonio]

One day I decided to text in private this guy, can you give me a few hints or suggestions how to learn trading?

[Natalie Robomed]

And they start talking. Antonio doesn't know it yet, but that conversation would lead to a life changing friendship. A door busting, police raid, and a revelation that would turn everything Antonio thought he knew on its head. From Sony Music Entertainment and Campside Media, this is Catch Me if youf Can Episode five, the Wallet. I'm Natalie Robomed. Catch me if you can Last episode, we followed Sophie's attempts to get her money back from Ken, tracking him down in Switzerland using his IP address and ultimately managing to recoup about $50,000. This episode we dive into how Ken's apparent need for human connection brings him face to face with a new sort of victim. A man who claims that Ken manipulates him into a friendship with devastating consequences. So when Antonio joined this day trading Discord Group, it was still Covid era. Like a lot of us, he was desperate for connection. So after Antonio messages the superstar investor on Discord, the two strike up a friendship online. They start messaging all the time.

[Antonio]

Because I was living a very isolated life at the time. Meeting this guy was liberating, you know.

[Natalie Robomed]

Their relationship blossoms virtually because this guy works at Google X. He tells Antonio he has to keep his identity secret. But they get close. He starts calling Antonio brother. Antonio feels a connection that goes deeper than just two guys chatting online about money.

[Antonio]

I don't know if it's a bit new age and some sort of man community.

[Natalie Robomed]

Whatever it is, Antonio's into it. He's enamored with the smart guy. And with day trading and crypto in general, he feels a sense of possibility for the first time in years.

[Antonio]

Arriving at the moment when you feel more vulnerable. You seem to have found a tool to overcome the adversity.

[Natalie Robomed]

For Antonio, day trading is that tool. I mean, he's a classical musician. Not exactly making money hand over fist, especially in a pandemic. But he's had some incredible luck with investing. He took $20,000 in savings and turned it into $100,000 just by buying crypto at the right time.

[Antonio]

I invested at the right moment. And so in less than one year, I 5X'd my investment. I made out like $100,000 and more.

[Natalie Robomed]

For him, investing is empowering. And this discord seems like a secret manual. Antonio's friend seems to be hacking the system, making money out of thin air.

[Antonio]

He told me, you will be my spiritual brother and I will be your financial Savior, Something like that. You know, he told me, you are an artist. I don't want you to worry about money for the rest of your life.

[Natalie Robomed]

So when this guy in the discord tells him he's founding a crypto startup, Antonio is interested.

[Antonio]

I said, yes, I'm going to be part of your first investors. And he started sending me blogs of amazing profits. So I sent him the first $2,000.

[Natalie Robomed]

Then the guy tells him something else.

[Antonio]

He said he was planning to take a break from work and do some holiday in Ital. And he started saying, I'm going to go to Sicily, maybe I can come find you.

[Natalie Robomed]

So in July 2022, two months after they first connected online, Antonio goes down to the train station to meet his new friend. It's hot and dry, his shirt just beginning to stick to his back. Announcements for platforms and departures swirl in Italian tourists dragging wheelie suitcases dart this way and that. Antonio stands there waiting and then he sees his friend, this very gentle looking.

[Antonio]

Asian guy with a baby face. His name was Kai. K A I bent P E N.

[Natalie Robomed]

T Young Kai, Spelling K A I Bent young. Kai and Antonio greet each other and then Kai hands him something he brought.

[Antonio]

A gift.

[Natalie Robomed]

It's a crystal bracelet, which at first.

[Antonio]

I found strange, but then flattered me. Kind of cool as an object. And it must have costed quite some money.

[Natalie Robomed]

Antonio's impressed. Sure, he thinks it's a little odd that a man is giving him jewelry. But Antonio's kind of a free spirit. He's into meditation and Kai says he is too. It's just one of the many things they share in common. So a crystal bracelet? Sure, why not? Kai is hungry, so they go to a cafe for cappuccino and focaccia. This snack leads to more meals, more hangs. Over the next few days, they see each other repeatedly.

[Antonio]

He met my family, my friends. We hang out, we dinner on the beach, playing music.

[Natalie Robomed]

They get even closer, sharing more about their personal lives.

[Antonio]

From time to time, he was talking to this girlfriend of him who he said that he met in America.

[Natalie Robomed]

Meanwhile, Kai's showing Antonio profit logs that give him a picture of how rich Antonio is becoming thanks to these new investments. It looks so great. Antonio decides to double down. A week into the trip, Antonio gives him more money, bringing his total investment to $20,000. Then Kai tells him about another project, an eco friendly resort in Costa Rica. The idea is he's going to take the profits from the crypto project and set up this hotel.

[Antonio]

He presented a few documents, a few contracts, and there were mentioned a few investors. He was saying they were the first investors and I was going to be part of the first investors group.

[Natalie Robomed]

Kai just needs a bit more money first. So he starts asking Antonio's friends and family for money. Antonio says he sends him some more and some more and some more. All in all, he says he gives Kai $108,000, everything he made from his crypto investment.

[Antonio]

Not only that, and he also took money from my dad, actually.

[Natalie Robomed]

Meanwhile, Antonio and Kai decide to take a little mini break. Together they go down to Puglia in the south. If you're looking at a map of Italy, it's the heel part on the boot. Puglia's got great beaches, gorgeous little historic towns, very picturesque. They're staying in a place right by the water.

[Antonio]

I was doing my thing, I was playing my instrument. He was doing his stuff.

[Natalie Robomed]

Antonio gets a text. It's from a friend of his. And the text says, there's no one with the name Kai Bent Young working at Google, Antonio's blood runs cold.

[Antonio]

Yeah. And then I said, oh, this is creepy. And I started being really nervous.

[Natalie Robomed]

This is a friend Antonio trusts who he's known for a while. And this friend had already apparently lost money to a different scammy investment. So he'd looked into Kai on Antonio's behalf. And now he's telling Antonio Kai isn't who he says he is. Antonio walks out of the apartment.

[Antonio]

I went down to the reception and I asked for the copy of the documents which we have left.

[Natalie Robomed]

They'd left copies of their ID to check in. The person at reception hands it over.

[Antonio]

I checked the ID and the ID was another name. The name was Ken yanai.

[Natalie Robomed]

Antonio's new friend Kai Bent Young is actually a complete stranger to him. Now Antonio has to figure out what to do about allegedly the talented Mr. Yanai. Want more true crime? Subscribe to the binge to get all episodes of Catch Me if youf can ad free today and get instant access to over 50 other jaw dropping true crime stories. Plus, subscribers get a binge drop of a brand new series on the first of every month. Every month. Search for the binge channel on Apple Podcasts or head to getthebinge.com to subscribe today. The binge feed your true crime obsession. Put us in a box. Go ahead. That just gives us something to break out of because the next generation 2025.

[Antonio]

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[Natalie Robomed]

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[Antonio]

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[Natalie Robomed]

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[Natalie Robomed]

Antonio says when he discovers Kai's name is actually Ken, he he freezes and reminder. We are relying on Antonio's version of this story.

[Antonio]

Here I was in what psychologists call cognitive dissonance. You know, like it cannot be, but it is completely in the same moment.

[Natalie Robomed]

That night, Antonio stays up Googling Kai Bent Young's name and Ken's name, trying to find out more about this guy he's sharing a roof with, a guy he says he's given over $100,000 to.

[Antonio]

And I found out Nancy's page, the.

[Natalie Robomed]

Kenyanai scammed me Instagram account. The page filled with posts about Ken being an alleged scammer. The same page Ken's ex girlfriend Sophie learned about on the street in Marbella.

[Antonio]

And I went nuts.

[Natalie Robomed]

Antonio scrolls through the Instagram page, his long hair flopping forward in his face face. And what he finds is post after post accusing Ken of wrongdoing. And it's not just Nancy's alleged experience with Ken. There are screenshots on the page from other alleged victims, from Rita, his house cleaner, from the Sables back in Ohio, from many of the other victims you've heard from in previous episodes. Antonio reads it all in shock. He and his dad have given nearly $120,000 to this guy. Antonio texts his friends and brother, asking them what to do, frantically trying to figure out how he should proceed, given what he now knows. Then around 7am, Antonio gets out of bed while Ken's still asleep and sneaks out of the apartment, trying desperately not to wake him.

[Antonio]

I locked him in the house and I went to the police.

[Natalie Robomed]

In the police station, he tells them everything. The police decide to come back to the Airbnb with Antonio and question Ken. The police pull up, they knocked on.

[Antonio]

The door and he came out and he started yelling, boy, what have you done? You betrayed me. Something like that, you know, why? What's happening? I haven't done anything bad. I haven't done anything bad. And I went really, you know, got really angry at him and I started loud voice telling him, give me back my money. And you know, you got all the money from me, now you have to give me back your money. And he said, I cannot give you the money right now in front of the police. You know, I told him why? You have these fake profiles online and there's several reports of you being a fraudster, you know, and so he wasn't replying directly to that question of mine. And he told Me, I can give you only 5k right now because the rest of the funds I've transferred to another wallet in Africa. And the one who is.

[Natalie Robomed]

The usual excuses, the same ones he gave to Sophie when she first confronted him. But right now, Antonio says Ken has a more immediate problem. According to Antonio, the police discover that Ken doesn't have a valid ID on him. When you travel within Europe by train, your passport usually isn't checked at the borders. Because Ken allegedly doesn't have his passport on him, the police question him. Antonio says they take him down to the station. I've seen a picture of Ken in what looks like its waiting room. He's wearing blue shorts and New Balance sneakers, and he's got a light blue medical mask pooled under his chin. It's still Covid time, after all. He's sitting in a blue plastic chair, and a policeman wearing a navy shirt that says Policia stands to the left of him. It's difficult to read Ken's facial expression. He seems relaxed, at least in his body language. His legs are crossed and his arms lay loosely in his lap. But maybe he's just projecting calm. Or maybe he's quietly confident that everything will be okay. Because, remember, Antonio and Ken are in a small town in Puglia, not a big city. And these local cops tell Antonio there's a problem. According to Italian law, if someone is caught red handed, there will be a direct judgment or an immediate trial. This is called Il Juditzo deritissimo, which means there's strong enough evidence of a defendant's culpability that the prosecutor can put the case in front of a judge in the next two days. But according to Antonio, because Ken had allegedly already taken money from him, arresting and holding Ken was a lot harder. I found this difficult to believe, but I ran it by an Italian lawyer who told me Italian police can only detain someone briefly without a formal charge. According to Article 390 of the Italian Code of Criminal Procedure, police can only hold a person without formal charges for 48 hours. After that, they need a judge to validate the detention. Otherwise, the individual must be released. Crypto makes this all difficult because local police don't have the tools to investigate digital fraud on the spot. And unless a specialized unit gets involved, which usually doesn't happen quickly, there's not much anyone can do. It seems like Ken knows it, too.

[Antonio]

He was just repeating, it's my right to talk to a lawyer. What you're doing to me is not legal. So he knew that he was being detained for no reason. So the police was trying to find legal reason to keep him, but they couldn't. You know, that was like one of the most, most painful days of my life. Even, even the police, even the policemen were sorry for me because they realized that I was getting scammed, but they could not do anything.

[Natalie Robomed]

We tried to get in touch with the local Italian police to verify all of this and. But received no comment. What we do know for sure is that Ken is let go again.

[Antonio]

He was telling me the last lie, that he would make this right with me and he would just call a lawyer in the main town nearby, you know, a lawyer who can sort out how to give me back the money. And of course, I didn't believe anything of that.

[Natalie Robomed]

Antonio doesn't know what to do. The police don't seem to really be able to help. Antonio feels as though he's on his own. Luckily, Ken is still sharing his location with Antonio. So Antonio and his brother follow Ken to a hotel and take turns sitting in the lobby. They want to be there to track Ken if he goes anywhere. While he's in the lobby, Antonio gets a call. It's from Nancy, the woman who started the Instagram account.

[Antonio]

Nancy reached me on the phone and started asking me info and she started sharing the story.

[Natalie Robomed]

Antonio says Nancy tells him all about her experience with Ken and about Sophie, the ex girlfriend you heard from the last two episodes. The girlfriend Ken claimed to still be dating, the one he was telling Antonio about when they were hanging out. Antonio's stunned. He can't really comprehend the scope of this, but he doesn't want Ken to get away. The next day, he and his brother are watching Ken's phone location when they see him moving.

[Antonio]

We saw him leaving and we followed him and I wrote him, where are you going? And said, no, I'm just going to shopping.

[Natalie Robomed]

Ken agrees to meet up with Antonio and his brother. And Antonio thinks, okay, he's not running away.

[Antonio]

So finally we met in the afternoon again in a cafe, and he told me, I'm going to make this right with you. He was saying, I'm going to get back your investment to you. I've done wrong. I know.

[Natalie Robomed]

Antonio thinks maybe this will still all be made right.

[Antonio]

Yeah, I was still believing in some sense of humanity and, you know, believing in words. But they go away.

[Natalie Robomed]

Broken hearted, but still hopeful. Ken assures Antonio he just needs to find a lawyer and then this whole mess will be sorted.

[Antonio]

So he kept writing me emails over the next few days, but he said, I didn't find a lawyer. In the town where we were. So he went to Rome. And of course, I realized he's going away.

[Natalie Robomed]

Antonio can feel Ken slipping through his fingers.

[Antonio]

The only chance I had besides letting him go was becoming a criminal myself.

[Natalie Robomed]

Antonio could either beat Ken up and potentially catch a charge himself or do nothing. So he watches as Ken's location moves further and further away.

[Antonio]

And what happened next for me was just a breakdown.

[Natalie Robomed]

Nearly $120,000 gone. I can only imagine how devastating that would be and how heartbroken Antonio must feel. This win was how Antonio rebuilt his confidence and identity in the wake of the pandemic and losing his livelihood. He saw the money he'd saved multiply before his eyes because he hit the jackpot with crypto, only for it now all to go to zero because he trusted the wrong guy. It's gut wrenching, an absolute sucker punch. Antonio figures this is probably the last he'll hear of Ken. And then he gets a text from Sophie.

[Antonio]

She got in touch with me as well, that he was in France.

[Natalie Robomed]

And surprisingly, Ken keeps sending Antonio emails saying the same old thing, promising me.

[Antonio]

You will give me back your money. You've been my friend. You're the best person I've ever met. My brother. I'm gonna make this right with you. I promise.

[Natalie Robomed]

And then the emails dry up. Ken ghosts him.

[Antonio]

Yeah, he blocked me. And he changed phone card every now and again. Yeah.

[Natalie Robomed]

Antonio feels like he's lost all hope, except for one. Sophie. He's in contact with her and he thinks he hopes she's going to help him. I think you're on mute. Workday's starting to sound the same. I think you're on mute. Find something, something that sounds better for your career on LinkedIn. With LinkedIn job collections, you can browse curated collections by relevant industries and benefits like Flexpto or hybrid workplaces, so you can find the right job for you. Get [e-mail] jobs finding where you fit. LinkedIn knows how this episode is brought to you by Stay Farm. Knowing you could be saving money for the things you really want is a great feeling. Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with the personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. So Antonio says his entire ordeal with ken lasts about three months, all told, from May 2022 until July 2022. In that period, Antonio says He sends ken more than $100,000. He credits Covid with his vulnerable mental state and thinks that has a lot to do with why he trusted Ken so quickly.

[Antonio]

I mean, psychologically, my mind was not performing. I sort of built another reality because the reality was sucking at the moment I met this total stranger, which I projected on my desire for a friend, you know, to make that time lighter.

[Natalie Robomed]

It's not just the money. It's believing in friendship. The experience with Ken makes Antonio doubt his ability to read people and therefore doubt himself. It's destabilizing to realize you've been so wrong about someone you eagerly invited into your life. It makes you rethink everything. But after Ken ghosts him, Antonio finds solace in talking to other victims, Sophie in particular. The two stay in touch. Sophie gives him the contact of the German police that she was talking to, and Antonio emails them. The German police call him back, but nothing ultimately comes of. Just seems like because it was all via cryptocurrency and anonymous, it's too difficult to get the evidence necessary to prove Ken's behind it. Then one day, Antonio says Sophie messages.

[Antonio]

Him saying that Ken was serious about paying her back and Ed already gave her back. I don't know if 20 or 40k.

[Natalie Robomed]

Antonio feels hopeful for the first time in a long time. If Ken is paying Sophie back, Antonio thinks maybe there's a chance that he'll pay Antonio back. And Sophie seems to be trying to help Antonio's cause. Because a few months after Ken disappears, Antonio gets a notification. Ken has sent him $6,000. It's only a fraction of what Antonio allegedly lost, but he's still relieved he's gotten something back, and maybe there's more on the way. So Antonio crosses his fingers and waits. And waits and waits. And as he waits, practicing his instruments and teaching his students over zoom, his mind starts to whirl. There's a musical form, the fugue. It's a piece of music composed of interweaving melodies. One voice starts it off, singing out the theme. Then a second voice picks it up, changing it slightly. Then a third voice comes in. They build on each other, creating this interlocking mass of point and counterpoint until the original melody is turned around on itself and transformed completely. And to be. To me, these swirling voices seem to be what's happening in Antonio's head. He thinks he has an alliance with Sophie because she's helped him get paid back. But he starts to think, why has she gotten half her money back while he's only received a Tiny fraction. He starts to feel like he's beneath her in some kind of pecking order.

[Antonio]

I think I realized if she writes me and she she's interested in him paying me back, that must mean that she's got much more.

[Natalie Robomed]

His experience with Ken taught him that people are only out for themselves. And this distrusting voice starts to grow. He begins to think maybe Sophie isn't that benevolent also because having known her.

[Antonio]

A bit, she was really into a certain lifestyle.

[Natalie Robomed]

How did Sophie get paid back? Because Antonio starts to think there's an interesting wrinkle in the timeline, and he believes he got scammed right around the time Sophie got paid back.

[Antonio]

It's a chain. It's a very crazy chain.

[Natalie Robomed]

In the US we call it borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. And maybe that's what Ken was doing, allegedly taking money from Antonio to pay back Sophie. Antonio wonders how else was Ken able to give Sophie back so much money? Remember, Sophie got Ken to pay her back about $50,000, but she doesn't ask questions about where it's from. My lawyers advised me also, like, don't even ask because you don't want to be complicit in any crimes. Sophie received money from Ken roughly between the spring and summer of 2022. That's right around the time Ken was allegedly getting money from Antonio. Now, we don't have proof that Ken definitively took Antonio's money and gave it to Sophie. There's a timeline correlation, but that doesn't equal causation. But the fact that Sophie and Antonio got paid back at all is very interesting to me. What kind of scammer cuts his victims a check? It makes me think Ken must feel something for these victims, because why else would he pay back Sophie $50,000? Maybe the payback is self serving. Perhaps he sends cash so they'll stop pursuing legal action against him. But if he really is taking money from Antonio to make Sophie whole, that's just so sad. I don't begrudge Sophie getting some of her money back. And there's at least one other victim who allegedly got paid back from Ken, too. Even as they were telling Ken's victims that they needed to band together to destroy him. If you've ever seen the mystery movie Knives out, it's a little like that. Some characters seem to be looking out for themselves, even as they claim to be part of a team.

[Antonio]

It's a very strange place to be because on one side you want to be friends with these people. On the other side, you know that probably there is no real solution.

[Natalie Robomed]

Yeah, he never receives any more money from Ken. He says he and his father are still owed more than $110,000. But Antonio is the final link in our chain because he's the last person we know of who saw Ken in real life. And now Ken has vanished again. The victims can the cops in Italy, Germany, the US aren't interested. So we're going on the chase both to find Ken and to find out everything we can about the man known as Kenya Nai. Next time on the final episode of Catch Me if youf can, we chase Ken and all his aliases.

[Antonio]

Kenya Nai Wen Long Chu Kenra Chi C H E E K A I Band Young Kenned Brick with a D I'm the journalist investigating the story about Kendrick Chu.

[Natalie Robomed]

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