Doctor’s Orders | 6. Fear. And Loathing.

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Episode 6: "Fear. And Loathing."

Release Date: September 5, 2025
Host: Ben Adair, Sony Music Entertainment & Western Sound

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into the climate of fear and intimidation surrounding the 2008 murder of Juliana Redding and the criminal schemes of orthopedic surgeon Dr. Munir Uwayda. The story focuses on the enduring impact of these crimes, the culture of silence among witnesses and insiders, the global hunt for Uwayda—now living freely in Beirut—and the deeper systems of power, money, and manipulation at play. Through interviews with investigators, journalists, and friends of the victim, the episode exposes why so many people are still terrified to speak out, and how justice remains elusive for Juliana and others harmed by Uwayda’s empire.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Tracking Down Munir Uwayda in Beirut

• [01:16-04:18]
  • The investigative team in Beirut, including journalists Mayan Massad and Alex Burndley, embark on a search for Munir Uwayda, believed to be living in a luxury area of the city, safe from U.S. laws due to Lebanon’s lack of an extradition treaty.
  • The team impersonates contacts, goes building to building, and confirms the location of Munir’s wife, Kadri, and child, though Munir himself remains elusive.
  • Quote, Alex Burndley:
    “Yeah, just like, I can pretend I’m Estonian. Like, who the fuck is gonna be?” [01:48]

2. A Climate of Fear

• [05:01-08:51]

  • The podcast creators and interviewees express a pervasive fear of retaliation from Munir Uwayda and his network, deterring many from sharing their stories publicly.

  • Former employees and friends explain they worry about both physical harm and aggressive legal intimidation.

  • Quote, Bill Reynolds (insurance investigator):
    “You just can’t drop your guard around these guys because dealing with so much money. So much money.” [06:13]

  • Quote, Jessica (Juliana’s friend):
    “I don’t want to be afraid of him because it’s not healthy to live your life fearful...I’m not answering my front door if I don’t know who’s at my front door kind of situation.” [06:40]

  • Quote, Alana Hadid (Juliana’s friend): “And it’s scary for me to say that...knowing he is a very scary person. And I’m saying this because I know that Juliana’s story and the reality of who Muneer is needs to be told.” [07:43]

  • The reach of Uwayda’s lawyers is also feared. People have been sued in the US and even in Lebanon for speaking out.

  • Quote, Lance Lamont (journalist):
    “He wrote me a cease and desist letter. He said, take down this article immediately. You’re going to be sued. And he made all these threats.” [09:14]

3. Legal and Financial Intimidation

• [08:51-11:42]
  • Several sources have faced lawsuits, had to move for safety, or settled financially crippling legal claims with Uwayda.
  • The legal tactics are described as relentless, made possible by Munir’s wealth.
  • Quote, Mayan Mosad (journalist):
    “The stereotypical Lebanese thug...these people are kind of known to have a bunch of people that work under them. And as long as you have the cash...you can basically do whatever you want and just nobody asks any questions.” [10:45]

4. Global Business Connections and Money Laundering Tactics

• [14:48-18:25]
  • Investigation reveals Munir isn’t in hiding—he’s publicly active in Beirut’s elite social and sports circles, such as the Jazira Sporting Club.
  • Associates from the Beirut swimming club appear as business partners and directors in companies connected to Munir around the world.
  • Authorities suspect kickback payments were laundered via gold Krugerrands and even valuable horse embryos—assets virtually untraceable—to further conceal money flows.
  • Quote, Bill Reynolds:
    “It was a way to pay the kickbacks to the doctors… You just start handing these pocketfuls of coins, easily cashed offshore.” [17:43]
  • The German-based horse farm is wrapped up in legal disputes, potentially as a means for storing or moving untraceable wealth.

5. Ongoing Fraud and Systemic Vulnerabilities

• [18:25-21:07]
  • Despite exposure, Uwayda’s medical business is likely still making millions through complex, international, and opaque healthcare billing networks.
  • Efforts to sever his influence are hampered by the massive profits he generates within these systems.
  • Quote, Bill Reynolds:
    “He’s the Top tier...we can’t [remove him]. He’s bringing in too much money.” [20:12]

6. The Elusiveness of Justice and the Power of Public Opinion

• [23:03-26:15]
  • Friends and family of Juliana Redding express frustration and heartbreak over the lack of legal justice for her murder.
  • The hope now is to find justice through exposure, storytelling, and public awareness, keeping Juliana’s memory focused on her life, not just her murder.
  • Quote, Alana Hadid:
    “I would love to have justice in the court of public opinion. I wish that Kelly Supark wasn’t allowed to walk around as a free woman...I want more people to know...who Juliana is.” [23:05]
  • Quote, Jessica:
    “...justice comes in the form of making sure that other people don’t go through what Juliana went through.” [25:02]

7. Looming Questions and Epilogue

• [26:15-end]
  • Reflecting at the site of Juliana’s death in Santa Monica, Ben Adair contemplates the unresolved nature of the case, the hidden world of medical fraud, and the warning signs missed or ignored.
  • Quote, Ben Adair (host):
    “Standing there, listening to these birds...I thought about how, without knowing it, Juliana had slipped into this dark and cynical world where money means more than anything else.” [27:49]
  • The episode ends with lingering uncertainty about the true extent of the harm caused by Uwayda and similar figures, and who else might suffer from unchecked power and greed.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “People were scared. People are scared. Most all the things we’ve told you about...they feared retaliation.”
  – Ben Adair, [05:13]
• “He’s evil. I have long believed that Dr. Manir Yoeda is the devil himself, is Satan himself and his evil.”
  – Lance Lamont, [11:42]
• “How to flush him out—that remains the salient question.”
  – Lance Lamont, [26:54]
• “Munir Yawayda will get restless...he’ll make the wrong move or press the wrong adversary too hard. Mark my words.”
  – Lance Lamont, [27:06]
• “She’s that person we want to, like, laugh. And...you feel sad, you feel better the minute you see her....So for me, justice comes in the form of making sure that other people don’t go through what Juliana went through.”
  – Jessica, [25:02]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Munir’s Beirut Hideout & Surveillance: [01:16-04:18]
• Culture of Fear Among Witnesses: [05:01-08:51]
• Legal Harassment & Exile: [08:51-11:42]
• Money Laundering Methods: [14:48-18:25]
• Continued Operations in California & Healthcare Loopholes: [18:25-21:07]
• Reflections from Juliana’s Friends & Family: [23:03-26:15]
• Host’s Epilogue at Crime Scene: [27:49-end]

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Tone and Style

The episode maintains a somber, investigative true crime tone. It’s suffused with frustration at the lack of closure, the audacity and reach of the perpetrators, and the silent power of fear and money in keeping the truth hidden. Yet, at the core are voices determined to remember Juliana for her light and to keep seeking justice in whatever form possible.

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Final Thoughts

Episode 6, “Fear. And Loathing.,” powerfully exposes not only a murder and a widespread fraud but the lasting impact of fear on justice. As the investigation follows the money trail, unveils global connections, and gives voice to the terrified and the grieving, it becomes clear that Uwayda’s shadow—and stories like his—are far from banished. The episode ends with haunting imagery and an open-ended warning about the price of silence and unchecked greed, leaving listeners with the sense that the full truth may never be known, but telling the story is, in itself, a fight for justice.

Transcript

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[B]

I'm looking for a friend of a friend, an Estonian woman called Kadri. She's tall, blonde, very blonde.

[A]

Everyone has told us that Munir Yah is in Beirut, Lebanon, a country without an extradition agreement with the United States. So effectively, he's out of reach of US Law.

[C]

He's saying there's a lady who is alone, like full, and she passes by this street, but she does not live in this building.

[A]

But is he completely out of reach? Mayan Massad and Alex Burndley are the investigative journalists I've been working with in Beirut. They had an idea.

[B]

Yeah, just like, I can pretend I'm Estonian. Like, who the fuck is gonna be?

[C]

I mean, with our luck, we might run into an actual Estonian person. We don't want to test it.

[B]

I just say, like an Estonian friend of mine has told me to, like.

[A]

Alex and Mayan knew the general area where we think Munir lives, part of the city known for its expensive apartments, very Luke's gated communities, doorman buildings and a hilltop view of the Mediterranean. The plan? Go door to door to all the fanciest buildings in the area and talk to the doormen. Because no matter where you are in the world, the doormen, the door women, the door people, they always know the tea. Alex was the clueless white foreigner who, with his driver and translator, was looking for his long lost friend, Kadri Valhac, the former Estonian beauty queen.

[B]

Hello, Good morning. I have a bit of a weird request to make. I have a friend of mine, a tall Estonian woman. I'm looking for her, but I don't know which building she's in.

[A]

Something that's great about podcasts is we get to just edit out the hours of nose they got going from one building to another.

[C]

And she passes by this street, but she does not live in this building.

[B]

Oh. She passes on the street.

[A]

The doorman of this building says, yeah, I've seen this woman around. I know who you're talking about.

[C]

He's saying she usually passes around this time or like an hour earlier.

[A]

Okay. To be sure, they show him a picture of Kadri.

[B]

This is her. Oh, really?

[A]

It's her. Her husband is the doctor, right? He says, bingo. And not only that, but a man who's with the doorman tells them exactly which building the family used to live in. So they go there, and that doorman gives Alex and Mayan directions to where they're living now.

[B]

All right, here we are.

[A]

They park across the street, making a note of every car that comes and goes. Based on their research, apartments in this building are worth millions.

[B]

What do we do if we happen to see either Kadri or Muni Rawaida?

[A]

We edit out another couple of hours. And do you see that?

[B]

That is Kadri.

[C]

That's Qadri.

[B]

That's Kadri standing there in the entrance. Of course, that's 100% her. 100%. It's her. Wait, I'll take a note. That's 14, 19.

[C]

She has a child with her.

[B]

Maybe that's Kadri and child enter building. I think that might have been the taxi which came in. It was an Alo taxi.

[A]

I'm Ben Adair from Sony Music Entertainment and Western Sound. You're listening to Doctor's Orders. This is episode six, Fear and Loathing.

[D]

I believe that Uwayda is a very dangerous individual, and he's very vindictive. You just need to be careful when you're dealing around him and the people that he was affiliated with.

[A]

Something strange happened while we were making this podcast. It's funny. I'd never experienced anything like it before. People were scared. People are scared. Most all the things we've told you about, they happened years ago. Juliana Redding was murdered in 2008. That's 17 years ago. The Frontline conspiracy indictments were just about 10 years ago. I mean, these days, that's like forever. But so many people said to us over and over, no, no, they didn't want to talk, not on the record. Because they were scared. Yes, they said, this is an important story. Yes, it needs to get out. But they feared retaliation.

[D]

We always exercise caution. Because they were known to put counter surveillance on you.

[A]

This is Bill Reynolds, the insurance investigator, warning us about looking into Munir, trying.

[D]

To find where you're living, what hotel you're in, and things like this. You just can't drop your guard around these guys because dealing with so much money. So much money.

[A]

One source who did go on the record literally would not tell us where she lived. We interviewed her remotely because she wouldn't tell us what state she was in or even what country she was in. She didn't want Munir to know anything about her whereabouts.

[E]

I don't want to be afraid of him because it's not healthy to live your life fearful.

[A]

This is Juliana's friend Jessica, whose last name we are not using by her request for safety.

[E]

But I can't act like I'm some badass, just like, oh, I'm not afraid of somebody who seems to have committed some pretty crazy atrocities, and maybe, you know, I'm not answering my front door if I don't know who's at my front door kind of situation. And I think that's been going for a very long time in my life.

[A]

We had people in Juliana's circle hang up on us and tell us, never call again. Other people talked to us for a while and then just ghosted. Former Frontline and Blue Oak employees told us that even if we change their name, even if we change their voice, Munir might still know who they are, and they just couldn't risk that. They had families, kids.

[F]

I wouldn't put anything past Muneer and his lawyers and the people around him.

[A]

This is Juliana's friend, Alana Hadid.

[F]

And it's scary for me to say that I'm saying this to you, knowing he is a very scary person. And I'm saying this because I know that Juliana's story and the reality of who Muneeer is needs to be told. But it's very scary because he's still out there, and so is she.

[A]

And she being Kelly sue park, he's.

[F]

Lied on numerous occasions. He lied about his medical practice. He lied about his age. He lied about having a family. And we know he has access to a ton of money. So I think that people are worried about him because of, you know, what he's been capable of doing and what we know he has association with. The more important story here for me is that Juliana's story get out there. And I know that there are a lot of people who are quite afraid of Munir and his network and his lawyers. And for me, it's important that her story be told, and it be told with abundance of truth and the reality of who she is and what happened to her and who did it.

[A]

The lawyers were the other thing. Lots and lots of people fear that Munir might send lawyers after them if they speak out. Lance Lamont, the journalist behind adjustercom.net, she's already been sued twice.

[G]

I get this complaint served to me. And I said, well, this is interesting.

[A]

It was a lawsuit for defamation filed in 2010.

[G]

Why would I be served with a complaint for just telling the news? And he wrote me a cease and desist letter. He said, take down this article immediately. You're going to be sued. And he made all these threats. And I said, there's nothing libelous about my article that I published is just matter of fact. So, no, I'm not taking it down.

[A]

The lawsuit was dismissed. But two years later, Lant says she got another lawsuit, this time filed in Lebanon.

[G]

Sent me a summons to show up in a court in Beirut, Lebanon, the Court of Urgent Matters.

[A]

She never showed up in Lebanon.

[G]

I'm not planning to fly to Beirut, Lebanon anytime soon.

[A]

Lance has moved homes for her own safety, her safety from Munir. We did have one witness early, early on who was a former employee. She was really broken up. This is Matt Murray and Erica Mole here from the Riverside County DA's office.

[D]

Uwayda had sued her a bunch of times.

[A]

Her and her husband both, I think it was her husband, both worked for him. She was scared.

[F]

He came after her. He has all this money, she has none. And it got so bad, she couldn't keep affording to go back to court. She settled and she pays him every month because of the settlement.

[A]

Mayan Mosad, the Lebanese investigative journalist, she says she knows Munir's type, sort of.

[C]

The stereotypical Lebanese thug. So the kind of person who has lived a very privileged life and is used to commanding people and getting away with things. I know that's a little bit of a prejudice, but that is kind of a similar scenario that we see a lot in the country. So these people are kind of known to have a bunch of people that work under them. And as long as you have the cash, as long as you have the money, you can basically do whatever you want and just nobody asks any questions.

[A]

Of course, this type is not just in Lebanon these days. We see them everywhere. Ultra wealthy, think they're above the law, do whatever the hell they want and never face real repercussions. I mean, if Juliana Redding hadn't been killed, would Munir Uwayda have ever caught the eye of the LA District Attorney's office? Would he still be leading his medical empire and all its endeavors?

[G]

He catches people through their dark side he catches people through their weakness. He catches people through their shadow. Side Launce Lamont Everybody has a shadow sometimes. Oh, it's just too much money that they're being paid. That's as old of a story as the human race. And there's a cliche. It's the root of all evil. Money is the root of all evil. So Uwayda uses people and they go to prison. They go to jail, they lose their bar card. And Uweita, he's not here in prison. Nothing's happening to him. If Dr. Maneri Ueda didn't exist, if he'd never been born, or if he were not part of this picture, if he were not around, if he didn't exist, none of these people would ever have been indicted or charged. Do you think that it would have happened to Kelly C. Clark? I don't. Dr. Yoeda is such a manipulator, such a master craftsman at manipulation. He's evil. I have Long believed that Dr. Manir Yoeda is the devil himself, is Satan himself and his evil.

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[C]

So we were trying to look him up online first and there was very, very little information available.

[A]

One of the benefits of working with local reporters is they know the local language and the local news sites. They found a small news clipping in Arabic that named a place Munir was reporting for work in 2017. He's listed as the head of an exclusive swim club in Beirut called Jazira Sporting Club. It's known for being the training facility for Lebanon's international and Olympic swimmers.

[C]

Now this club has a Facebook page. We went to that Facebook page and we started going down like through the years and through the pictures we were able to find him in multiple pictures.

[A]

Pictures of Munir and Kadri at swimming events, out to dinner, Munir chatting with children, all in the years after 2010. So after he'd fled the United States.

[B]

So like 2018 and 2019 gave us new dates to hold on and to prove like, hey, yeah, he is in Lebanon and ah, at this moment he is. Or he was in Le Pecheur, a fancy seafood restaurant.

[A]

It's weird to see these pictures. Munir is not in hiding, far from it. He's being documented, like all of us on the socials or at this point.

[B]

He was on the poolside in Babda, up the mountain a bit or at Lebanese University and we could pinpoint like where he was at what time. So that was a very, very nice find and like that was very satisfying.

[A]

But it wasn't just fun and games and fancy dinners out. Other names associated with the Beirut Swim Club have popped up tied to Munir's business interests around the world. Naseeb Saab and Adel Yamut are the treasurer and Secretary general of the swim club. And their names are on several companies and businesses linked to Munir in the United States, Estonia and Germany. For example, the Beverly Hills house where Juliana once lived is listed with Adele Yamut as the owner. Adel Yamut was also listed as the managing director of the horse farm in Germany. As of 2024, Nasib Saab is listed on companies in Estonia linked to Munir and Cadre. It seems like there's something happening here, but we can't see exactly what. Two other interesting details that came up in our reporting show. Well, maybe they indicate a direction. In the late 2000s, as the frontline scheme was pulling in more and more patients, a big outflow of money was going to kickbacks payments to people who'd refer patients into Frontline and the Affiliated companies. Insurance investigator Bill Reynolds says that cash and checks became too risky.

[D]

They go buy gold Cougarrand coins that could be worth, you know, $500 each.

[A]

500 bucks is kind of the low end for a gold Krugerrands coin. Individual coins can be worth thousands, and once you have them in hand, they're kind of untraceable.

[D]

It was a way to pay the kickbacks to the doctors without them getting a check from crook number one, going to crook number two, you just start handing these pocketfuls of coins, easily cashed offshore and deposited for offshore. Impossible to track by IRS because it's not a physical asset like a house or a car.

[A]

Louisiana prosecutor Dayan Mathai says, we never saw enough evidence about the Kougarrans to put it in front of a jury. But later, our reporter in Germany, Rob Hyde, found reference to a 2021 legal battle in the Netherlands. It was sort of a custody fight involving the Oak Grove horse farm linked to Munir. And basically it had tried to secure these valuable embryos through a kind of high tech breeding system. And then it turned into a really kind of aggressive, ugly legal dispute about who owns them. And it also basically suggested that the farm had tried to use the horses, and particularly the embryos as a traceless form of assets, so whereby it could move its money around without having to officially sort of register it and, you know, pay taxes and this type of thing. Champion horse embryos as another kind of traceless asset or currency. Is this higher tech than Bitcoin or lower? I'm not sure. And what does it mean? I mean, the only thing we can say for sure is that the business seems to be evolving, moving beyond traceable assets. And what about California, though? They wouldn't say it, I got the distinct impression that everyone on the law enforcement side, certainly everyone on the insurance side, thinks Munir is still making money in California. The way healthcare billing works, it's just too big, too unwieldy, too many moving parts to lock it all down and too many invested players.

[D]

So you take a guy like Yaweda who's making a million dollars a month.

[A]

Bill Reynolds, again, the bills are all.

[D]

Going through the medical provider network. Well, medical provider network gets a percentage of that. So I go to our medical provider network provider and I say, this guy is a crook. We need to kick him out of our system. He's injuring all these people. He's getting him addicted to drugs. They go, oh, no, he's bringing in too much money. We can't. He's the Top tier.

[A]

Well, unless he's selling off horses, it's hard to imagine how he's paying off all of his lawyers in the various jurisdictions. You gotta figure out, well, somebody's paying him, right? Jim Fisher is a former attorney for the California Department of Industrial Relations. You never know where the tentacles go. In a situation where the bad guys are really opaque and the payors sometimes are really clueless, you just don't know who you're dealing with, if you're an.

[D]

Insurance company or you're an insurer, because.

[A]

You'Re never really sure about where that money is going to. After weeks of looking, the closest our Lebanese reporters got to Munir was knowing where he lived and spotting his wife and son. Even after trying to contact him through his lawyers, we heard nothing back, leaving them and us in the exact same spot as everyone else.

[E]

Janice Rose Bullock was beautiful, a devoted mother. And then in 1977, she disappeared.

[A]

You know, she would not leave those kids.

[E]

So what happened? Most of the time when someone disappears, you fear the worst.

[A]

I don't know if she's alive or dead. People thought that he killed her.

[E]

Eventually you find the body or their disappearance remains a mystery this twisted, trust me. Did she get herself into some unspeakable trouble or was it something else?

[A]

She's holding this little bald headed baby.

[B]

What they doing with a baby?

[F]

Did she steal him?

[A]

Did she buy him?

[E]

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[F]

I mean, it's been many years and I still cry. And it's not just because. It's not just because she's dead. It's because she didn't get the justice she deserved.

[A]

This is Juliana Redding's friend, Alana Hadid.

[F]

I would love to have justice in the court of public opinion. I wish that Kelly Supark wasn't allowed to walk around as a free woman with no one knowing what she had done. I do not think enough people in California or around the world know who she is and her name. I don't think that enough people in the world know who Munir Yueda is. And I feel like they don't know what a fraud he is. They don't know his connection to Juliana. And I want more people to know that and to hear her story and to know who Juliana is. Devoid of what the tragedy was to her and the horrific instance of her murder. But the fact that she was A beautiful human who really deserved to be walking this earth and making it a better place. Her father said something really beautiful at her funeral, and I don't know if I'm supposed to share this, but I will. He said, you know, God always wants fresh flowers on his table, and she was the most beautiful flower. So, you know, I think we were able to experience someone for a moment who was, you know, maybe not meant to be in this world for more than that, but she definitely wasn't supposed to come out of this world in the way that she left, which was brutally and really tragically. And so I think my piece is right now. Knowing that her voice is being heard through her friends and that you are doing something about what happened to her, and that gives me a lot more peace than I've had in a long time.

[E]

I think it's taken a long time for me to realize that maybe justice doesn't come in the form we always expect.

[A]

This is Jessica, Juliana's childhood friend.

[E]

That's part of the reason for me being here today and talking and telling the story for the first time in my own words and from my perspective, because I think that a lot of the story of Juliana and her beautiful, special, incredible life has been made to be something that it wasn't. That beautiful life is now remembered in conjunction with something so dark. And the thing is, she was light, she was beauty, she was fun, she was exciting and funny. And nothing was ever this dark, terrible cloud. She's that person we want to, like, laugh. And you want. You feel sad, you feel better the minute you see her. You feel the heaviness of life. And if you see her, she's gonna be like, no, Jesse, get a corn dog. She always said, wienerschnitzel. The mini corn dogs can always make you happy. So for me, justice comes in the form of making sure that other people don't go through what Juliana went through. Her family went through, her friends went through.

[A]

I can close my eyes and see all of those people that day that we all had surgery, that the PA did that day. This is Kim Pope, who we heard from in episode three. She's the victim who almost ended her own life because of the damage done to her shoulder. And just that day was a horror story in itself.

[B]

And there's so many of those days.

[A]

And the sad thing is that he is not the worst man in the world, that he's the worst person I ever encountered. That's such a coward. And such a coward.

[B]

Such a coward.

[G]

How to flush him out, that remains the salient question.

[A]

In 2019, Lance Lamont wrote a piece on her website about how she thinks most Munir Yuwaida will finally face the music.

[G]

Someday. Munir Yawayda will get restless. Lebanon is a country of only 4,000 square miles. Los Angeles county is 4,750 square miles. Thus Lebanon is smaller than even Los Angeles County. That's definitely too small a turf for Dr. Ueda's very inflated ego. He'll get cabin fever one day. He'll make the wrong move or press.

[F]

The wrong adversary too hard. Mark my words.

[A]

As I wrapped reporting on this series, I returned to where the story started. Juliana Redding's old bungalow in Santa Monica. Okay, so I'm parked right across the street from where Juliana Redding was murdered. It's. Can't really see anything from the street. There's like a big hedge, there's a. Like a white fence, and then a hedge on top of the fence, a couple palm trees in front. Guess I get out and see. See what I can see. This is the LA that people dream about. Palm lined streets, beautiful light, the promise of Hollywood. And the beach not too far away. After a few minutes walking around, two crows appeared. They seemed transfixed, determined. They moved from branch to branch. They wouldn't go away. They wouldn't stop. I am not a superstitious person, but I do know that in many parts of the world, crows are omens. They mean something. Sometimes good, but mostly bad. Sometimes signaling a warning. Sometimes telling you it's already too late. Standing there, listening to these birds, just outside the house where Juliana Redding's dreams came to. To a tragic end, I thought about how, without knowing it, Juliana had slipped into this dark and cynical world where money means more than anything else. A place where people's most basic trust got them maimed, hurt, and killed. We know about Juliana. And we know about a number of victims of botched surgeries. But how many more people are out there? How many more victims that prosecutors and investigators never found? And how many more empires of fraud? How many more of these worlds that are just waiting out there, waiting to be fallen into? Are these crows a warning about what's to come? Or are they telling us it's already too late? This is Doctor's Orders. Don't want to wait for the next episode. You don't have to. I unlock all episodes of Doctor's Orders ad free right now by subscribing to the Binge Podcast channel. Search for the binge on Apple podcasts and hit subscribe at the top of the page. Not on apple. Head to getthebinge.com to get access wherever you listen. As a subscriber, you'll get binge access to new stories on the 1st of every month. Check out the binge channel on apple podcasts or getthebinge.com to learn more. Doctor's Orders is produced by Western Sound for Sony Music Entertainment's the Binge. The executive producer and host is me, Ben Adair. The executive producer for the Binge is Jonathan Hirsch. Doctor's Orders was written and produced by Nada Salem. It was edited by Ben Adair. Laila Hassan is our fact checker. Legal review by Davis Wright Tremaine llp. Michael Rayfield is the mix engineer. Thank you for listening.