Hunting the Bogeyman | 4. The Arrest

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Hunting the Bogeyman | Episode 4: The Arrest

Podcast: The Binge Crimes: Hunting The Bogeyman
Host: Sony Music Entertainment (narrated by Peter McDonnell)
Original Air Date: November 24, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this gripping episode, "The Arrest," the investigative team finally closes in on the NorCal Rapist, Roy Charles Waller, after nearly three decades of terrorizing women in Northern California. Leveraging advances in genetic genealogy, the team follows clues to Waller’s doorstep, surveils him, collects direct DNA evidence, and ultimately orchestrates his dramatic arrest. Survivors and investigators recount the shock, relief, and unresolved pain that follows, while the episode also reveals police missteps that prolonged the hunt. The narrative sets the stage for the upcoming landmark trial, the first case in the world to go to trial based on forensic investigative genealogy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Impact of Genetic Genealogy

• Golden State Killer’s Capture Inspires a Break: Detective Avis Beery, upon hearing of the GSK’s capture via genealogy, immediately calls her sergeant to push for the same approach for the NorCal Rapist.

  • Avis Beery: “We have to do this with NorCal. I just got chills talking about that just now. I just said to myself, this is gonna work. I just knew it. Like, I just felt it in my bones.” (02:10–02:33)

• Monica Tchaikowski and Kirk Campbell’s Swift Success:

  • The research team uploads the NorCal Rapist’s DNA to a public database, immediately finding a strong match to the surname Waller and then to the full name, Roy Waller—an unusually rapid identification.
  • Monica Tchaikowski: “The last name Waller stood out to us right away... Roy Waller...” (03:34–03:52)
  • “It took them just 45 minutes to identify Roy Waller.” (05:03)

• Caution Before Arrest:

  • Paul Holes, detective: “You never make an arrest on genealogy. That is just providing you a lead. Now you need to get a direct DNA sample.” (05:28–05:34)

2. Surveillance and Securing a DNA Sample

• CCAT Team Surveillance:

  • The Apprehension Team closely observes Waller at his Benicia home, noting his routines (motorcycle rides, backpack). (05:42–07:42)
  • Discussion on “trash run” to obtain DNA from discarded items (soda straw, apple core, sneakers):
    • Avis Beery: “That's how they do it.” (08:22–08:24)

• A Serendipitous Lead:

  • The genealogy match comes only because a relative uploaded their data “just a few weeks earlier”—a stroke of luck.
    • Monica Tchaikowski: “It was just serendipitous.” (08:50)

• Confirmation:

  • DNA from the soda straw matches the serial rapist.
    • Avis Beery: “We got him. We got him.” (09:06)

3. The Arrest of Roy Charles Waller

• Operation & Setting:

  • Multiple vehicles (CCAT agents) shadow Waller from his home to his workplace at UC Berkeley, where he worked for 26 years.

• Confrontation:

  • Detective: “One of the detectives pulled out a shotgun... Roy Waller looked very surprised. And he also peed his pants. You know, he literally had the piss scared right out of him.” (11:53–12:12)

• During Detainment:

  • Waller remains silent during a 90-minute drive, raises suspicions about how much he thinks police know.

4. The Interrogation

• Interview Tone & Approach:

  • Detective Avis Beery finds Waller eerily calm and nonreactive.
    • “When I talked to him, he looked right through me. His eyes were just kind of dead.” (13:26–13:51)

• Strategy:

  • Avis tries to place Waller at crime scenes and use victim photos, but Waller denies everything, at one point absurdly suggesting his DNA was “planted.”
    • Avis Beery: “Why would your DNA be inside of her vagina?”
    • Waller: “I don't know. Maybe you planted it there.” (15:29–15:54)
  • Eventually, he “lawyered up.” (16:05)

• Evidence Found:

  • Waller’s “rape kit” found in his backpack: sex toys, zip ties, gloves, flashlight, black beanie, tape.
    • “He basically had a rape kit.” (16:36–16:52)

• Waller’s Attempted Suicide:

  • Waller tries several times to hang himself with his hoodie string; each attempt fails due to the string breaking.
    • “For all the things Waller wouldn't say, his actions said it all.” (17:55)

5. Telling the Survivors: Nicole’s Story

• Nicole's Emotional Call:

  • Nicole Earnest-Payte, notified by a victim’s advocate, is overwhelmed after 27 years.
    • Nicole: “I actually fell. I fell to the floor. I was on the floor sobbing. I just remember saying, thank you, thank you, thank you. It's been 27 years. It's been 27 years.” (20:29–21:21)

• Family and Community Support:

  • Nicole’s husband and friends rally around her as news spreads.
  • The press conference, led by Sacramento DA Anne Marie Schubert and Chief Daniel Hahn, confirms what Nicole always suspected—that the attacks in her county fit the pattern.
    • Nicole: “I was fucking right about Sonoma. I was right the entire time.” (22:55–23:04)

• Telling Her Son:

  • Nicole struggles with how to tell her son, receiving support from a therapist friend. Her son’s football team expresses solidarity:
    • Coach: “Your mom’s a real badass.” (25:47)

6. Police Missteps and Lingering Regret

• Critical Missed Opportunity:
  • A detective had once sat down with Waller and failed to collect his DNA, noting only that Waller “didn’t fit the NorCal Rapist’s profile.”
    • Avis Beery: “I don't think ever I've been so close to vomiting in my life. And then I just wanted to cry. ... Because we had this guy, Peter. We had this guy, and it was good old fashioned police work that did it. How am I going to explain this to Nicole, to all my other victims?” (27:07–27:48)

7. Legal Precedent and Foreshadowing Trial

• The First of Its Kind:
  • Unlike the Golden State Killer, who pled guilty, Waller maintains innocence—making this the first trial using forensic investigative genealogy evidence.
    • “Everyone on the prosecution team knew their case was going to set a precedent.” (27:48)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Avis Beery (Detective), on new investigative tools:
  “I just got chills talking about that just now. I just said to myself, this is gonna work. I just knew it. Like, I just felt it in my bones.” (02:18)

• On narrowing in with genealogy:
  Monica Tchaikowski: “Roy Waller.” (03:52)

• On arresting Waller:
  “Roy Waller looked very surprised. And he also peed his pants. You know, he literally had the piss scared right out of him.” (11:53–12:12)

• Nicole upon hearing the news:
  “I was on the floor sobbing. I just remember saying, thank you, thank you, thank you. It's been 27 years.” (21:18)

• Nicole on confirmation of pattern:
  “I was fucking right about Sonoma. I was right the entire time.” (23:04)

• Waller denying DNA evidence:
  Avis: “Why would your DNA be inside of her vagina?”
  Waller: “I don't know. Maybe you planted it there.” (15:51)

• Waller’s rape kit evidence:
  “He basically had a rape kit.” (16:52)

• On missed opportunity by police:
  Avis Beery: “I just wanted to cry ... Because we had this guy, Peter.” (27:16–27:48)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | Speaker(s) | |-------------|------------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------| | 02:10–02:33 | Avis Beery reacts to GSK capture, proposes genealogy | Avis Beery | | 03:34–03:52 | Surname and ID of Roy Waller revealed through genealogy | Monica Tchaikowski | | 05:28–05:34 | Paul Holes: don't arrest on genealogy alone | Paul Holes | | 08:22–08:24 | DNA "trash run" method described | Avis Beery | | 08:50 | "Serendipitous" family DNA upload | Monica Tchaikowski | | 09:06 | DNA match confirmation, exclamation | Avis Beery | | 11:53–12:12 | Waller’s arrest and immediate reaction | Peter McDonnell, Beery | | 13:26–13:51 | Waller’s demeanor in interrogation | Avis Beery | | 15:51 | Waller’s implausible DNA excuse | Waller, Beery | | 16:52 | Backback/rape kit revealed | Avis Beery | | 17:04–17:55 | Waller’s suicide attempt | Peter McDonnell | | 21:18 | Nicole learns of arrest, emotional reaction | Nicole Earnest-Payte | | 23:04 | Nicole confirms pattern of attacks | Nicole Earnest-Payte | | 25:47 | Coach supports Nicole’s son | Football Coach | | 27:07–27:48 | Police missed DNA collection opportunity | Avis Beery |

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Tone & Style

The narration is tense, empathetic, and deeply human, capturing the emotional aftermath for both investigators and survivors following a major break in a decades-old case. Detective and survivor voices are direct and unfiltered, reflecting trauma, relief, regret, and resilience.

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Conclusion

This episode chronicles the scientific and emotional breakthroughs in the NorCal Rapist case—showing not just the triumph of investigative persistence, but the cost of setbacks, the fragility and strength of survivors, and the historic legal path ahead. The story’s blend of modern forensics, personal reckonings, and systemic reflections set the stage for a precedent-defining trial.

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Next Episode Preview:
As Waller’s trial approaches, the full scope of his crimes and the impact on his victims is exposed, with Nicole preparing to face the “bogeyman” in court—solidifying the personal and societal stakes of this landmark case.

Transcript

[A]

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[C]

Have used some sort of genetic genealogy to catch him. So I just like, immediately get on my phone and I call my sergeant and I go, we have to do this with NorCal. I just got chills talking about that just now. I just said to myself, this is gonna work. I just knew it. Like, I just felt it in my bones.

[B]

Analyst Monica Tchaikowski and her boss, Kirk Campbell, fresh off helping solve the Golden State killer case immediately pivoted like NorCal's next.

[D]

Right away, we started working to get the genealogy off the ground for NorCal.

[B]

But could they go 2 for 2?

[D]

I was not honestly sure if the GSK was a one off and we were not going to be able to have that kind of result again.

[B]

I really didn't know exactly what to expect. Monica had to fly to Palm Springs for a work conference. But as she got to the hotel, she called Kirk on speakerphone. They uploaded the NorCal rapist's DNA profile to the same public genealogy database that they'd uploaded the Golden State killers to and hoped it would match with at least a first cousin. Instead, they hit the jackpot.

[D]

The last name Waller stood out to us right away.

[B]

The person they found was just one degree removed from their suspect. Monica recognized the name Waller because it was one of the surnames she got from her YSTR test. This time there was also a first name.

[D]

Roy Waller.

[B]

She pulled up his driver's license.

[D]

And we're kind of stunned about how closely it resembled the ATM surveillance photo.

[B]

Roy Charles Waller was a 58 year old white man from Northern California. He fit the age range, the location, and most of all, the appearance of the NorCal rapist. It had been 12 years since his last known attack and 20 since he stared into the lens of the ATM camera in Davis, hiding behind a mask. But those essential, unique features that defined someone's appearance were still there. The shape of his ear, the tilt of his head, his eyes. The way everything fit together. It was him.

[D]

That was the clincher for me.

[B]

Anne Marie Schubert, The Sacramento County DA called Paul Holz.

[E]

Don't tell anybody. We got NorCal.

[B]

From Sony Music Entertainment and Perfect Cadence. You're listening to Hunting the Boogeyman. I'm Peter McDonnell. Episode 4 the Arrest. Monica Tchaikowski and Keith Campbell didn't have to build a single family tree to find the primary suspect in the NorCal rapist case. It took them just 45 minutes to identify Roy Waller. But as Paul Holz knew, you never make an arrest on genealogy.

[E]

That is just providing you a lead. Now you need to get a direct DNA sample.

[B]

The next step was to surveil him. Avis sent out the CCATs, the career criminal Apprehension Team.

[C]

A couple of people in an unmarked vehicle to set up on his house and figure out who's coming and going from that home so they can get an idea who lives there.

[B]

This house where he was living, was that the one in Benicia?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Benicia is a coastal Town in the East Bay. A few months ago, Paul Halls and I drove there the long way. Past roller coasters at Six Flags, past the dead end street in dusty Vallejo, where the rapist entered through the woman's garage. Past middle class mansions in Martinez, where he perpetrated a nightmare on Halloween and passed to the crime lab where Paul hunted him with a microscope.

[E]

I was like, geez, he was right across the bridge from where I was working, trying to find him. Right.

[B]

Paul told me that in 1997, when he and his first wife separated, he rented an apartment in Benicia.

[E]

It was convenient. The grocery store is right around the corner.

[B]

Is it possible you passed by Waller at the grocery store?

[E]

Oh, absolutely. You know, if he's in Benicia while I'm living in Benicia, for sure.

[B]

Well, and we're on.

[E]

We're on the street in which Waller lived on. And I guess I didn't realize he was this close to the water. Just right up here to the right. You might as well just go ahead and pull over.

[B]

They look like they're single family homes with small yards in the front.

[C]

Nice.

[B]

Nice landscaping.

[E]

They're all.

[B]

Each one's a slightly different color. Some are green, some are yellow. The one he was in is brown.

[E]

Who would have thought that this is the home of a serial rapist?

[B]

The CCAT team watching Waller learned that he lived in the house with his wife and no one else.

[C]

And he always rode his motorcycle to work while they were surveilling him. He always had this backpack that he carried with him so he could have weapons in there, for all we know.

[B]

The first order of business was to do a trash run, meaning get a sample of his DNA from something he threw away, like a tissue or the straw from a drink.

[C]

They did a trash run on his home garbage in Benicia.

[B]

So does an officer from the CCAT team have to get out of the car, sort of walk normally over to the garbage, reach in, pull it out, put it into an evidence bag and walk away and hope no one looked?

[C]

But that's how they do it.

[B]

Waller's trash was a DNA gold mine. They pulled out an apple core, an old pair of men's tennis shoes, and his soda straw from a hamburger joint. They rushed the soda straw to the lab. As Avis waited for the results, she learned something surprising. The person on the genealogy website, who was one degree removed from Roy Waller, had only uploaded their profile a few weeks earlier.

[C]

It was just serendipitous.

[B]

The next morning, Avis learned the results of the DNA Test on the straw from Waller's garbage. Holy shit.

[C]

We got him. We got him.

[B]

Roy Charles waller was the NorCal Rapist.

[C]

Now, that's a true CSI moment. News just spread like wildfire.

[B]

At dawn, the CCAT team deployed in multiple vehicles. After 27 years of investigation, it was time to make an arrest. In Benicia, Roy Waller put on a dark hoodie, grabbed his black backpack, got on his motorcycle, and zipped out of his driveway for the last time. A hundred feet back, unmarked cars with CCAT agents in street clothes and bulletproof vests followed him all the way to the University of California, Berkeley, where for 26 years, Roy Waller had worked as a safety specialist.

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[B]

Waller pulled into the parking lot and parked his bike. As soon as he got off and removed his helmet, they were on him.

[C]

One of the detectives pulled out a shotgun and pointed it at him and said, put your hands up in the air and get down on the ground. Roy Waller looked very surprised. And he also peed his pants. You know, he literally had the piss scared right out of him. And he had to be thinking to himself, I think I know what this is about. How much do they know?

[B]

They put him in the back of a police car and headed to Sacramento. During the entire 90 minute drive, Waller didn't ask a single question about why he'd been arrested.

[C]

He's probably thinking maybe they only know about Sacramento. I knew that he was more savvy than some suspects, but I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know if he was going to want to just give it all up and want to brag about himself. I didn't know if he was going to deny, deny, deny. I didn't know if he was going to play the card of these were all consensual contacts, because that's often a card that a rapist will play.

[B]

At the station, they took Waller's fingerprints, put his black backpack on a table to be searched later, walked him into an interrogation room, took off his leg irons and handcuffs and showed him a chair. They gave him a bottle of water and closed the door. And there he sat for an hour, probably thinking about what to do. And then Avis went in.

[D]

Hey, Mr. Wallach.

[B]

How you doing?

[C]

I'm Detective Beary. I work with the Sacramento Police Department. My first name is Amos. Just like the car rental. He was very calm. Very calm. When I talked to him, he looked right through me. His eyes were just kind of dead. So do you have any idea why we're talking today?

[E]

No.

[C]

I wanted to get kind of a timeline from him to see if he would admit to putting himself in a lot of those locations where the victims were attacked.

[B]

Avis did most of the talking, but Waller gave short answers about where he'd lived and worked. His wife owned the house he lived in. She owned a factory in China, he said. Thirty minutes into the interview, Avis took a chance and asked him about a case, the 2006 double rape in Sacramento. She put photos of the two victims on the table in front of Waller.

[C]

Either of these gals are familiar to you? Unfortunately. What I'm struggling with is that we do have DNA evidence.

[F]

Okay.

[C]

From this scene. And it does come back to you. I don't know how it can be that you don't have an explanation for that. Nothing that you can think of? Nothing that makes sense?

[E]

No.

[D]

You're accusing me of something that I didn't do.

[C]

So we pull out the next victim and we do the same routine, you know, with that victim, same questions. Nope. Don't recognize her. Never met her. Never seen any of these before. Prejudice and fate. So what you're telling me is that out of all these photos, all his pictures, and all the houses and apartments, that they don't look like any place you remember being? You've never been there before?

[B]

Waller leaned back in his chair, frowned, and shook his head.

[C]

Why would we have your DNA in this house? I don't know. Well, why would your DNA be inside of her vagina? I don't know. Maybe you planted it there. So you think that I put your DNA inside of her vagina? How would I do that?

[B]

Waller shrugged his shoulders as if he was stumped.

[C]

That's when it became the deny, deny at all cost deny.

[B]

Avis showed Waller a photo of every house the NorCal rapist broke into and every victim he attacked.

[C]

Rohnert Park, Martinez, Vallejo, Chico Davis. You say you got evidence on me, but I don't know how you would. He denied each one, and it was at that point that he lawyered up.

[B]

Avis left the room. Waller's military style black backpack, the one the CCAT team saw him carry everywhere he went, lay on the table in the hallway.

[C]

We find sex toys, zip ties, gloves, a flashlight, a black beanie. We found tape. He basically had a rape kit. Inside of his backpack, it appeared that.

[B]

Roy Waller had been ready to commit another sexual assault.

[C]

You know, maybe it's something that he always had in the back of his mind, you know?

[B]

As Waller sat alone in the interrogation room waiting for a guard to take him to jail, he pulled the string out of his hoodie and moved a chair into the corner of the room beyond the view of one of the video cameras. He stood on it, looped the string around the top hinge of the door, slipped it around his neck and muttered to himself, oh, my God, it's done. And stepped off the chair. But the string came off the hinge. Waller scrambled back onto the chair and tried it two more times. The last time it held. But the string broke. He gave up. For all the things Waller wouldn't say, his actions said it all.

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[B]

It was only weeks later when investigators looked at the footage from a second camera in the room, an angle they call the God's eye view that they realized he'd tried to kill himself. When the jailers came into the interrogation room, they found Waller just sitting on the chair in the corner. His emotions were inscrutable. He gave away nothing. They took him to a cell. He was finally behind bars. Over at the Sacramento County District Attorney's office, the elected DA, AnnMarie Shubert, scheduled a press conference for the next morning to announce Waller's arrest as the Norgal rapist. Now it was time to break the news to the survivors. Representatives from the counties where the attacks had occurred would call them. Avis, though, didn't like that she wanted to call them.

[C]

Doggone it, like, I felt like these were my victims, you know, they knew me. And as it turns out, my lieutenant looked at me and he said, you are not going to win this fight.

[B]

Nicole was now 48 years old, a mom and wife with a flourishing career. In the quarter century since the rape, she'd built a whole life for herself.

[D]

I was ready for work, ready to go, and I was home alone. This call came in on my cell phone. It was undisclosed number. I never answer those, except I thought, I wonder if that's my son's school. So I answered the phone and this person on the other end, don't remember her name, said, hi, and I'm calling from the Sonoma County District Attorney's office, and I Went, okay. Why would the Sonoma County District Attorney be calling me? And I started to, like, Started almost feel, like, hot and a little bit sick. And she said, I'm the victim's advocate for the NorCal Rapist case, and I'm calling to let you know that we have a suspect in custody. And I actually fell. I fell to the floor. I was on the floor sobbing. I just remember saying, thank you, thank you, thank you. It's been 27 years. It's been 27 years. And she said, I know, I know, I know.

[B]

When Nicole hung up, her two dogs came over and looked down at her. Her hands shook as she called her husband Carlos, who was at work. But he didn't answer. She called her mom. No answer. Her dad. No answer. Then she texted Carlos911.

[D]

So then he calls me. And I was shaking.

[B]

I could just hear his, like, trembling in her voice. Tell me who they got.

[D]

And I. I said, they got the Norco Raiders.

[H]

They caught him.

[F]

They caught him.

[B]

Carlos rushed home. Within an hour, Nicole's friends showed up, too. She'd been so open about the rape that when this day finally came, they were there for her. Together, they watched the press conference live online. The District Attorney of Sacramento County, Ann Marie Schubert, was speaking.

[D]

It began in 1991, and it went.

[C]

On for over 15 years. As I have said many times before, cold cases often become a journey for justice. For 27 years, there has been one common thread, his DNA.

[B]

Sacramento Police Chief Daniel Hahn came to the podium next. I'd like to give you a brief overview of the series. What we know is this started in 1991 in Rohnert Park.

[D]

And then I heard something about Rohnert Park.

[B]

Sonoma had several sexual assaults in Sonoma, Vallejo, Martinez, Woodland, Chico.

[D]

Two sexual assaults. And I went, I was fucking right about Sonoma. I was right the entire time. And I was like, oh, my God.

[B]

Yesterday, Sacramento police detectives arrested Roy Charles Waller. The next person to speak was Avis Beery.

[D]

Thank you, Chief.

[C]

And thank you for everybody for being here today. I can tell you that I've been waiting a really long time for this day to come. No one else has to worry about him anymore. The victims in this case can stop looking over their shoulders. They are truly the strongest people I know and the bravest people I know.

[D]

I'm still completely in shock. My whole world has changed. And at some point, I looked at Carlos and I uttered my son's name in like, oh, God, he doesn't know. Carlos called the school and said, we've had a family emergency. I need to come get him right now. So he goes down there, picks him up.

[B]

One of Nicole's friends at the house that day, Erin pulled her aside. Aaron was a mental health therapist.

[D]

She said, however he reacts is the right way. He will likely feel embarrassed, he will likely want to run out of the room. He is a 14 year old boy finding out about this horrendous thing that's happened to his mother and it's a very difficult subject to handle. So whatever he does in is the right thing. He comes in and he's like, why are all these people here? And I said, why don't we go sit outside and sat down. And I just, I said, you know, I want to tell you this because there's a. This is about to break publicly in the news and it has to do with me.

[B]

Nicole told him what had happened.

[D]

All the color left his face and he just kind of stared at me, said, are you okay? I said, how do you feel? And he said, embarrassed. And he said, and I want to go back to school. And we said, okay. So Carlos drove him back to school.

[B]

Their son was in ninth grade and on the football team. By the time practice started that afternoon, Nicole had been on the news.

[D]

He goes to football and the coach pulls him aside and they start talking. He said, how are you feeling? I know about the news about your mom. Some people on the team know. The team is going to know. Do you want to come with me when we talk about it or do you want to stay here? And he said, no, I want to go. So they went down to the field, all the players were there. And then the head coach said, this is going to be a very public story. And you know, our, your teammate, your friend needs our support right now. And one by one, they, in their own very individual way, very many of them helped him understand, you're not alone in this. And they put their arms around him, they hugged, they protected him. And then the head coach said, and you know, your mom's a real badass.

[B]

As Nicole and the other survivors processed the surprising news that a suspect had finally been arrested in their decades old case over in Sacramento, Avis Beery learned that they had actually been very close to catching him. Many years ago, when investigators served search warrants on Waller's house in Benicia, they discovered the answer to the mystery of the Toyota 4Runner. In 2006, Waller was living with a girlfriend in a house near Sacramento, and she owned a white Toyota 4Runner. The weekend of the attack, she left the country for a funeral. And he borrowed it.

[C]

They came to me and they said, avis, guess what? That car is in one of our packets. And I said, holy cow, tell me that we didn't go there. And they said, no, we went there.

[B]

The detective with the packet had sat down across the table from Roy Waller. He asked him all the questions on the list except one. He never asked for Waller's DNA. When the detective, Jimmy Vigan, turned in the packet, he simply wrote that Waller didn't fit the NorCal Rapist's profile.

[C]

I don't think ever I've been so close to vomiting in my life. And then I just wanted to cry. I just wanted to sit down and.

[D]

Cry.

[C]

Because we had this guy, Peter. We had this guy, and it was good old fashioned police work that did it. How am I going to explain this to Nicole, to all. All of my other victims? How are we gonna explain this to them? Because I just felt like I hugely let them down.

[B]

Joseph D', Angelo, aka the Golden State Killer, and Roy Waller, aka the NorCal Rapist, were held in the same jail, but only one of them was headed to trial. DeAngelo pleaded guilty to avoid the death penalty, so he got sentenced to multiple consecutive life terms. But Waller refused to admit guilt. And that's how the Norcal Rapist became the first case in the world to go to trial. After being solved by forensic investigative genealogy. Everyone on the prosecution team knew their case was going to set a precedent. They thought this novel and groundbreaking genealogy method was legal, but the trial would be the real test. Next on Hunting the Boogeyman.

[D]

He was becoming more and more emboldened. There were pictures of floor plans and paths of how to get in and out of homes.

[B]

As the Boogeyman heads to trial, his secret life and his M.O. are exposed.

[D]

Keith's holding up the ropes. Mr. Waller says those are for women because they like to be tied up. Like, sorry, women like to be tied up. He's like, yes.

[B]

After waiting 29 years, Nicole faces him in court.

[D]

And I remember staring at him, glaring at him. He was the thing of nightmares.

[B]

The Boogeyman that we want to believe doesn't exist.

[A]

And then you're confronted with the reality that they do.

[B]

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[D]

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[A]

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[D]

Could you be more specific?

[B]

When it's cravinient?

[A]

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[D]

I'm seeing a pattern here.

[A]

Well, yeah, we're talking about what I.

[D]

Crave, which is anything from am, pm.

[A]

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