The Biohacking Secrets Show
Host: Anthony DiClementi
Guest: Theo Lucier
Episode: DIY Detox Methods, Freediving, and a Look Inside with Theo Lucier (Part 1 of 2)
Date: February 19, 2025
Episode Overview
In this illuminating episode, Anthony DiClementi sits down with Theo Lucier—biohacker, author, founder of Forgotten Health, and detox innovator—for an expansive conversation that weaves together accessible detox methods, the transformative power of freediving, cellular energy optimization, and actionable biohacks. Through firsthand stories and in-depth science, Theo and Anthony break down why detox should come before addition in any biohacker’s regimen, highlight the underestimated impact of humic and fulvic minerals, and reframe freediving as the ultimate (and primal) practice for nervous system regulation—and fun.
Note: This is part one of a two-part interview; the conversation ends with a cliffhanger, with part two promised soon.
Major Discussion Themes & Insights
I. Freediving: “The Ultimate Biohack”
Mammalian Diving Reflex & Physiology
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Why do we hold our breath longer in water?
- The “mammalian diving reflex” activates when water (especially cool water) contacts sensitive areas around the eyes and mouth.
- This triggers bradycardia (slowed heart rate) and a release of hemoglobin from the spleen to maximize oxygen use.
“There’s receptors right here and around the mouth that when they get wet, particularly if the water’s a little cooler, it instantly induces bradycardia. So your heart rate just slows way down. And then your spleen will start to kick in more hemoglobin, which is…like Velcro for oxygen.”
—Theo Lucier [03:28] -
Equipment matters
- Full-face snorkeling masks prevent this reflex by blocking water contact, often leading to anxiety and increased risk.
“The water doesn’t touch any of that. So their heart rate gets elevated…a lot of people drown in those things.”
—Theo Lucier [04:41]
Physical & Mental Benefits
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“It’s not about looking around—it’s about looking inside.”
- The freediving experience is a personal, inward journey, functioning as both nervous system regulation and moving meditation.
- Physical effects include a high or sense of tranquility due to the combination of pressure, silence, and hypoxic training.
"We freedive not to look around, but to look inside. I like the personal challenge...it's like a mirror that reflects back anything pathological going on in your mental, physical, spiritual bodies."
—Theo Lucier [12:17] -
Nervous System Reset
- The pressure is described as a “big comforting hug,” leading to deeply relaxed, almost euphoric post-dive states.
- Particularly effective for addressing stress and anxiety.
Deep Dives & Biological Adaptations
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Atmospheric Pressure:
"Every 10 meters is 1 ATM. ...My deepest dive...is 53 meters. That's like 6 atmospheres of pressure."
—Theo Lucier [08:14] -
Plasma Fill:
- Deep dives cause lungs to collapse; body responds with “plasma fill” where blood plasma fills empty space, protecting against barotrauma.
“Blood plasma will flow in...and it'll make [your lungs] incompressible...then you come up and it's gone.” [09:11]
Freediving as Meditation & Play
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Freediving replaces meditation:
"Anything pathological going on in your mind or your life or whatever, it's immediately reflected back to you. It has this way of being a perfect mirror very few other things are in life."
—Theo Lucier [40:44] -
Reintegrating play into adult life:
- Freediving/spearfishing offer avenues for grown-ups to “remember how to play,” reconnecting with primal human experiences.
Gear, Technique, and Approachable Entry
- Get a mask that fits—test fit by suction
- Use custom wetsuits; carbon fiber fins (brands: Alchemy, C4, Pathos).
- Technique wins over raw breath-hold ability:
"It’s not about the breath hold—it’s about how relaxed can you be under pressure, literally."
—Theo Lucier [33:07]
Memorable Moments
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Pushing the limits with breath hold training:
"[My buddy] puts down towels when he does static training at home because he shits and pisses himself because his body is so close to death."
—Theo Lucier [16:21] -
On David Blaine's stunts:
"He used oxygen for that...hyperventilated for 40 minutes and then did it. That's mainly nervous system regulation."
—Theo Lucier [16:42]
II. DIY Detox: Humic, Fulvic, and the Missing Link
Why Detox Should Come First
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Additive biohacking vs. removal:
"You can solve a lot of problems quickly, cheaply and effectively by addressing the electrical health of your body before you jump in to the bigger stuff like chemicals and diet and all that."
—Theo Lucier [98:12] -
Cellular energy and mood:
“If you’re in a low mood…it’s because your cells aren’t producing enough energy.”
—Theo Lucier [54:02]
Humic & Fulvic: Science and Benefits
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Broad-spectrum detox:
- Binds heavy metals (mercury, lead, arsenic), glyphosate, microplastics, and graphene oxide.
- Sourced carefully to avoid contamination (Theo’s formulation is USA-sourced, water-extracted, acid-free).
- Restores gut lining (tight junctions), rapidly reduces “sludge blood” by raising zeta potential.
“If you heal the blood, you heal the person.”
—Theo Lucier [79:11] -
Mechanism:
- Humic is heavier, excels at detox.
- Fulvic is lighter, energizes cells by donating electrons.
- Fulvic acts as a cellular battery charger; Humic as the deep cleanser.
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Practical application & dosing:
“One stick pack a day [of BioRecharge], at least one to two dropperfuls of BioBoost per day. You’d want six months of each for a real protocol.”
—Theo Lucier [76:27]
Graphene Oxide & Modern Toxins
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Graphene oxide is widespread:
- Found in vaccines, bottled water (including San Pellegrino), dental anesthetics, atmospheric dust (“geoengineering”).
- Humic & fulvic reportedly effective binders.
"Graphene oxide is very sharp-edged nanotech metal...suspected to be self-assembling in the body...Humic Fulvic is a binder of many toxins, including graphene oxide."
—Theo Lucier [48:49]
Blood & zeta potential
- Modern blood is “sludge blood”:
- Due to EMFs, toxins, stripped soil minerals.
- Humic/fulvic instantly restore colloidal suspension, increase oxygenation, and reverse rouleaux (coin-stacking) in red blood cells.
- Healthier blood = more energy, less brain fog, better mood, and lower heart attack risk.
Live Blood Analysis, Cellular Diagnostics
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Live blood microscopy reveals real-time improvements post-humic/fulvic supplementation.
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Bioelectrical impedance analysis (BIA) & phase angle:
- Provides a measure of cellular "youth" and membrane integrity.
- Humic/fulvic improve intracellular hydration and phase angle.
“If you have tired, sludgy blood, you're going to be tired and your thought is going to be sludgy.”
—Theo Lucier [79:11]
Actionable Detox Protocols
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Vitamin C flush:
- 3,000mg every 15 minutes until GI tolerance (watery stool); saturates blood plasma and is highly healing due to electron donation.
“Most people are walking around with undiagnosed scurvy...a specific method of dosing vitamin C...until you have to run to the bathroom and you have a watery discharge.”
—Theo Lucier [111:03] -
Niacin + Sauna:
- Inspired by L. Ron Hubbard's "Clear Body, Clear Mind": Take immediate-release niacin, increase dose as tolerated, then hyperthermia (sauna or exercise) to mobilize toxins.
"For a five dollar bottle of niacin and a heat source, you can change your life...Moved the needle on my energy more than anything else."
—Theo Lucier [57:43]
III. Play, Community, and Modern Health Paradigms
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Relearning Play through Free Diving/Spear Fishing:
- "People have gotten so immersed in work and resource acquisition they forgot how to play...this could give people avenues and communities to get plugged into."
—Anthony DiClementi [37:22]
- "People have gotten so immersed in work and resource acquisition they forgot how to play...this could give people avenues and communities to get plugged into."
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Approachable Entry to Hypoxic Training:
- Pool disciplines such as Underwater Torpedo League & Underwater Hockey.
“Underwater hockey...has been around since the 1950s...sprinting underwater for an hour. It builds your lungs like nothing else.”
—Theo Lucier [25:36]
IV. Memorable Quotes & Moments
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On the limits of additive biohacking:
"I was taking like 38 supplements per day...I felt a lot better. But something was still off. I still kind of felt weary."
—Theo Lucier [54:02] -
On energy as the true currency:
“If you’re tired all the time, your life sucks.”
—Theo Lucier [54:02] -
On detox vs. addition:
"Focus on detox first and feel that...removing poisons from the cell so it starts working better and can assimilate the nutrients you're giving it. Instead of an additive model..."
—Theo Lucier [107:58] -
On the modern toxic burden:
"Children are born with gallbladder issues now—they have gallstones when they're born because their mother is so toxic."
—Theo Lucier [107:58]
Key Segments & Timestamps
| Topic | Timestamps |
|---|---|
| Freediving: Physiological mechanisms, pressure, meditation | [03:20] – [41:44] |
| Practical gear, how to get started with freediving | [29:32] – [33:33] |
| Detox comes first: personal burnout journey, additive vs. subtractive biohacking | [54:02] – [57:32] |
| Humic/Fulvic minerals, sourcing, comparison to shilajit | [62:22] – [67:43] |
| Blood health, zeta potential, live blood analysis | [79:11] – [89:09] |
| Diagnostic tools: phase angle, BIA, darkfield microscopy | [90:35] – [98:54] |
| Actionable protocols: Vitamin C flush, niacin + sauna | [111:03] – end |
In Closing — Marching Orders & Takeaways
Cliff Notes for Detox & Energy Restoration
- Step 1: Do a high-dose Vitamin C flush (ascorbic acid, 3,000mg every 15 min until GI tolerance).
- Step 2: Add humic/fulvic supplementation (BioRecharge & BioBoost)—one packet and 1–2 dropperfuls per day for 6 months.
- Step 3: Use niacin + sauna for regular deep detox.
- Step 4: Consider freediving or similar challenging, playful hypoxic activities for nervous system regulation and meditation.
- Step 5: Monitor progress with live blood analysis and phase angle/BIA measurements if possible.
“Focus on detox first, then get into the more additive stuff...If you have more energy, you can do anything. And you don’t even have to do anything—you can just be in a better mood.”
—Theo Lucier [107:58]
Stay tuned for Part 2, where Theo and Anthony promise more actionable protocols and next-level biohacks.
For more, visit getbiorecharge.com (discount code: BIOHACKS), biohackersguide.com, and dryfastingwithfriends.com.