TC (3:10)

No, I'm, I'm a big believer that everything happens at the time that it probably should. And this is the time. Here we are.

Walker (3:20)

This is the time. And yeah, I guess it is a good time for this because you just launched the mobile app version, right?

TC (3:28)

Yeah, it's a heavy duty milestone for me. I've been working on this for the last about a year and a quarter. Although I'll tell you, there's times when it feels like it's been decades. It's been such a heavy duty project and, and I've also, I built it basically myself. I'm not part of a team doing this. It's really all me. So it's been a really intense journey as well. And so getting to this point and actually getting it launched has been an overwhelming experience. It's actually, you know, I'm just still like in the immediate aftermath of that launch and still like wrapping my head around it and feeling, you know, that sort of pivot from the building mode into this next chapter. And so it's really a phenomenal time. It's a period of my life I'm not gonna, not gonna ever forget.

Walker (4:25)

I may as well go ahead and put the time chain calendar up here. So for those that don't know you are. And actually maybe you wanna just introduce yourself. For those that do not know you, obviously I don't even technically know you in that way.

TC (4:40)

You know, we did meet. We did meet once, I think even possibly twice. I, I've attended quite a few conferences in the last few years and there's one time in particular I think it was a bit block, boom, it might have been in Austin and you and the wife were sitting in the, the breakfast place downstairs and I came up and said hi to you guys then.

Walker (5:05)

But in that case I'm not going to. I was pretty drunk for a lot of bit, but no, it's well, okay, so as much while respecting your own opsec, like do you want to give a little bit of an intro just to who you are and maybe, you know, why, why you are building Time Chain Calendar?

TC (5:25)

Yeah. So people know me as tc. It's kind of funny. When I was sort of finding my nim in the, in the bitcoin Twitter space, it was, you know, the word time chain really was something that stuck in my head. It was a period of time when I was really establishing my core learning and understanding about bitcoin. And and so I kind of really was attracted to that word particularly. And so that's where TC actually started from. And then it's just kind of a beautiful little synergy that my project ended up being called Time Chain Calendar and TC ends up being an acronym for that as well. But basically going back to my pre bitcoin existence, I've been a software engineer for, you know, almost two decades. Was started building on the web when the web was still very crude and I was doing websites the old fashioned way and basically evolved from, you know, just plain HTML files to, you know, CMS driven websites using PHP and then eventually more JavaScript centric web application kind of stuff. I found my way from, you know, a sort of like design house where I was doing client websites for years to, to suddenly working for tech startups and being a team member on some of these relatively small tech companies, but that were innovating and building really quickly. One of these companies that I was working for around 2015 or so was accepting bitcoin as payment for their products. But for whatever reason it went in one ear and out the other. That was actually my second kind of in one ear and out the other experience with bitcoin. The first was in 2012, just a few years earlier and Bitcoin was five bucks and then in 2015 it was 500 bucks. And it's still just, I don't know, the brain cells didn't connect yet. But shortly after that company I found myself at another company where they actually had done an ICO and they actually had sort of a crypto side of their sort of company mission. And I was surrounded by all these crypto bros and basically discovered bitcoin through that. And so I was like a lot of other people of that era. I got sucked in towards the end of 2017, right at the top. Just enough time to, you know, load my bags and get ready for my first bear market. And so my way of dealing with my first bear market being that I actually didn't really understand bitcoin properly at the time. When I look back on it, I kind of shut it out of my mind. And that was my weird way of achieving a HODL back then. I didn't panic, I didn't sell, I just kind of shifted my focus away. So I actually, I feel like I missed all this opportunity 2018, 2019, when I should have been stacking like crazy. Instead I kind of pushed it out of my head, just finding my own way to deal with that experience of going through a bear market like that and not really understanding what I was holding and still holding a bunch of shitcoins. And it wasn't until, you know, late 2019, the whole repo crisis in the, you know, traditional markets caught my attention. And then along comes Covid and this whole confluence of chaos in the world just shocked me, got my attention and I feel like I properly went down the rabbit hole at that time. I was reading some stuff from Der Gigi and watching a lot of podcasts and really got fully sucked into it at that point. I was still working for tech companies at the time. And it was a couple years later, you know, 2122, where I actually started working for a bitcoin company. And that job actually didn't last as long as I wanted it to. And when that job ended, that was when I created Time Chain Calendar. And so this is basically a culmination of a career building websites and learning the, the, the tech of building the web. And I had this drawing that I had done on paper of the block height and the circles. And when I was suddenly unemployed and so fixated on bitcoin, I took the opportunity to build the first version of this Time Chain Calendar. And it was, I think about a 10 day, like hack session. And I had the very first version. And anybody who remembers the site from back then, it was very simple. It was just the red circle and the orange circle and the big number in the middle and a few other little bits of data. But there wasn't kind of a complete dashboard the way it is now. But that was the beginning and that was just under three years ago. I think this November makes three years since I launched the site. So basically since I made the website, I've been updating the website and continuing to develop it, continuing to be obsessed with bitcoin, talking to other bitcoiners every day and just, you know, at this point now a couple years later from, you know, when I was just in between jobs and the world has continued to change, my My career as I knew it before, I think is over. I don't know that the software industry is a place I want to be. You know, kind of hitching my ride to other companies and being a worker bee, I kind of basically experienced the whole industry transforming. I think between the, the impacts of sort of the COVID era, when everyone learned that you don't need to go into an office to do this kind of work, you could be anywhere on the planet. And I happen to live in one of the most expensive cost of living places in the world. And so it's a big mismatch on that front as far as trying to land a new job. And then the whole AI wave came along and the combination of these two factors have just turned the whole industry upside down for people like me. And so I basically kind of was forced to really figure out what my path forward is. And I love my baby, my time chain calendar here. So I decided I needed to turn it into a full business and a platform that I could just continue to develop and actually carry forth. And this mobile app represents my first big evolutionary step from just the website. And that's really what you're looking at when you look at the mobile app. It's kind of the last year and a quarter or so of me growing as an engineer. I'm pretty much totally full stack now, whereas before I was just focused on front end web and I've built and put out iOS and an Android app which I had never done before. And you know, so it's just a lot of kind of growth as a software engineer. Also kind of evolving from being an employee to thinking about running a business and how to actually operate going forward. So it's just a lot of changes. That's where I'm at sitting here today.

Walker (13:38)

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TC (17:17)

Yeah, that feature took me by surprise because it actually was the last major feature that I added before launch and it was surprisingly close to launch when I actually decided to implement that and add it. But it's an interesting thing. Looking back over the last almost three years of the website being out, that was what I saw all the time on social media would be somebody's kid is just born and they're pulling time chain calendar out of their pocket to figure out what block height it was to sort of block stamp the birth of their kid. And that is such a cool thing, it's such a special thing. And I can't think of any other context for caring about what block height it is than the birth of your child. But there's all these other significant life moments where it's just amazing, especially over a long period of time, to look back and say, wow, look at what block height it was, or even look at the price. I was talking to a friend of mine who was just like, you know, block heights are so cool. But I swear, like, to me, the milestones are denominated in the US dollar exchange rate for Bitcoin. And I remember 58k and I remember hitting 16k at the bottom of the bear. And you know, it's like these are, these are interesting ways that our memory functions. And so the camera feature is kind of a very interesting sort of manifestation of that where you're taking a picture or you're recording a short video and to actually have the live block height and the price feed superimposed right over there. It's a new tool and I'm excited to see where it goes from here because I have a ton of ideas for, for how to actually develop it further and make it much more dynamic and give you a lot more options of what you can do. So it's just the very beginning of that. But that's kind of the spirit, I think, of my project is that different ways to actually bring this thing that we all care about into your life. Into your consciousness. Like, have it in your head, have it in your vision. And that allows you to actually think about it deeper. It allows you to care about it more. And all of that connects to your experience, your conviction, Everything else, I think it's, it's.

Walker (19:54)

I couldn't agree more. And it reminds me of like, the opportunity cost extension that Marty Bent and his team built out at tftc. Like another thing that's, it's reframing the way that you are looking at the world. Because I think that bitcoin very much like, quite literally has reframed the way all of us look at the world, at least if you're down that rabbit hole, right. And continues to reframe it. Because the more you understand about bitcoin, the more you realize you don't understand. And that's just like this, this beautiful journey in and of itself. But learning to see the world kind of through these orange colored glasses, let's say. And what that does in terms of changing you as a person, changing your perception, your perception of time, I mean, that was a huge one to me. I think becoming a father has also done that for me as well, just very much. When you speak about low time preference, I thought I had this idea of what it meant to be a low time preference person before because I read the bitcoin standard and I'm an enlightened bitcoiner. And then I realized after our son was born, oh, no, I didn't have any idea what real low time preference meant. And so. But thinking in the world in terms of blocks or even in terms of fiat price, the blocks are more reliable probably than the fiat price because we all know fiat's a bad measuring stick. But it's true, we do have those kind of. It's psychologically very sticky. And we remember that, I think, because we also remember the euphoria of the highs and we remember sometimes the pit in our stomach at the lows. But then that pit in your stomach maybe turns into a little bit of a fire where you say, now I'm going to buy. But I love, I mean, first of all, the, you know, folks can see it right now if they're watching. If not, you can go to timechaincalendar.com you can check out. It's just a time chain calendar on the app and play store. Right. For people who want to search. Yeah. So you should check it out. It's just beautiful to look at. It's very satisfying. It's enjoyable. It's a beautiful visualization of this thing, and I think it's one of those things where it makes bitcoin actually a little bit more accessible. And I think that's important because especially people just getting into bitcoin, you start hearing about blocks and difficulty adjustment and all these things, and you're like, okay, what does that actually mean? These havings, all this stuff, it's not really intuitive because, I mean, it had never been done like this before and all put together in this way. So it's this very novel system. And I think what you've built is such a beautiful way to kind of make that more accessible and a little bit more tangible. Like, it's. I just want to say, like, hats off. It's. It's just really cool.

TC (22:29)

Well, thank you for that. Let me. Let me give a little bit of sort of context to that. You know, I got a shout out and give massive props to the giants that came before me that have done so much of the hard work that I am standing on top of now. I would start with nvk with the block clock. This web app was absolutely inspired by the block clock. I own two of them. I have a mini and a micro. Incredible, wonderful, legendary pieces of hardware. But it's amazing when you really spend time with some of these things, especially if you're somebody who builds and is creative, you might see ways in which you would want to do it differently. And then there's also aspects of. I love my block clock, but it just irked me sometimes it didn't update right when it should. Maybe the chain hits three, four blocks in a row really quick. And. And I'm looking at the block clock still three or four blocks behind. And so for me, as a guy who built on the web, I saw this opportunity, like, let me make a web sort of block clock. And that was one of the seeds or one of the, you know, starting points for this project was I wanted to see that block height, real time updating. I was just wishing that the block clock did that and so on the web, I could achieve that. So as a starting point, that big number in the middle, the block height, you know, I also really give so much respect and I appreciate so deeply Clark Moody's dashboard and Mempool space and some of these other resources that have been just lovingly crafted for years prior. And, you know, for me, coming at it, I decided I. I really wanted to not just duplicate anyone else's efforts, but genuinely try to approach this from my point of view and bring something new. So really, the. The project is an attempt to visualize some of the most important aspects of Bitcoin, in my opinion. And that's what is happening here with these circles. Now you're looking at the, the website. We are looking at the website here on your screen, but the mobile app, actually, I took this design and took it a step further. You see that green circle just on the upper right of the main circles that's showing you the time since the last block. That's now part of the main concentric circles design. It's, it's actually now right in the center. It's the innermost circle on the mobile app. And in doing so, you have five concentric circles in that interface. And this is actually why it's called Time Chain Calendar. If you think about what a calendar is, it's a nested series of time frames. Here you are today and you're inside of this row of days for the week, and that week is in a stack of weeks inside of a month, and months are inside of years. And we kind of delineate our lives by these time frames. Well, here in the time chain calendar, the innermost circle on the mobile app is that time since the last block, which I actually like to think of as. It's the expectation of 10 minutes, because that circle represents a 10 minute time frame. And when it passes one 10 minute segment, it'll change color to indicate sort of we're beyond our expected time frame. And if it keeps going, watch it. When it gets to 40, 50 minutes or an hour or more, it turns orange, it turns red. It really communicates this almost anxiety, like, when's this block coming? I was expecting it to be here in 10 minutes.

Walker (26:42)

Where is it?

TC (26:43)

Right, so that's the innermost circle. And then just outside of that on the mobile app here on the screen, it's the innermost circle, which is a sort of invisible circle with all these little teeny tiny squares all the way around it. And there's a very random pattern because that's showing you the last 24 hour distribution of blocks. And it's always moving and adjusting so that it's always displaying the distribution of blocks in the last 24 hours. And here's where it starts getting really interesting to me. Because we experience bitcoin blocks globally, there is no time zone. When the halving happened, and my website crashed, by the way, on the halving, when the halving happens, we are all experiencing that moment globally. It's not like New Year's Eve where kind of goes off in phases, time zones around the Globe. This is like a moment that as a global community of people we experience. That's every block. So this 24 hours distribution of blocks that, that circle with all the little squares going around anywhere in the world. You look at time chain, calendar, you see that same pattern, you'll see the same places where there's big gaps. You know, when we do get blocks that sometimes take two hours, you'll see a giant gap on that circle. You can also see when there's a flurry of blocks where for a couple hours it was just bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And they're, they're stacked up. So it's a really interesting visual. I haven't seen that anywhere else. That was one thing that the very first time I got that working on my screen, I almost fell out of my chair because it's just an interesting visualization. So we got the time since the last block, we got the 24 hour distribution of blocks. Then we have the red circle, which is the difficulty adjustment cycle, which is 2016 blocks or roughly two weeks. So if you look at timechain calendar, each day like a calendar, you'll notice the indicator on the red circle moving it kind of chunks around the circle. You can actually see its position noticeably change since the day before. The orange circle is the blocks to the having, that is 210,000 blocks roughly four years. I have not yet seen the orange circle make it all the way around because I launched the site less than three years ago. Talk about low time preference. If you pay attention to this over time and you notice because you remember the last halving, right, it was last April, not, not April this year, but last year April. That's when that orange indicator was up at the sort of 12 o' clock position. And it's been a year and a half since then, just to get down to what about 4, 4:30 position there. So it's like one of these things where as a calendar, as the system of watching Bitcoin's progress, your life juxtaposed against Bitcoin's progress. That's what the essence of this is about. It's about something that you can look at and actually be reminded and given that time, relevant context for where and when you are relative to Bitcoin, the outermost circle is the supply issuance. So that sort of dark orange, that's the percentage of Bitcoin's supply issuance. And there's little notches that show you the havings. And I'm going to ask you to grab that blinking little handle on the slider below there and start slowly sliding that to the left. And you can see the halving circle moving back. Boom. You just pass that halving and you can see the number, the Roman numeral of the having changing. And you see the supply changing. And look at that outer circle, see the supply rolling back. And this is a really interesting visual because this allows you to actually clearly see the relationship between the halvings and the supply issuance in a visual way. So you just passed the first halving, and we're now going down from 50% supply issuance. And if you go all the way to the left, you get all the way to the Genesis block. If you leave it there, you'll get a few little Easter eggs that pop up on the screen. And this is basically where it all started. And the mobile app has a really nice experience of that UI where you can just, with your finger, grab the slider and move it around. And there's something, I think, very beneficial educationally from seeing that relationship of the having to the supply issuance. Because I'll tell you, people talk about it and I remember before I understood what the having was, and I remember hearing it explained a whole variety of ways, and I sort of remember my fuzzy, incomplete mental model of that. Well, here's an actual visualization that you can interact with and refine your. Your mental model and understand what that is. So now grab the slider again and just go back the other way and you can see the issuance of Bitcoin from the beginning and cruise on through. And you can see we get to 50% supply in that first epoch and then 75% supply in the next one, and so on and so forth. And so just understanding Bitcoin's fixed supply and the supply issuance, you know, it's a trip to look at that circle. It's almost 95% complete, and it's going to take about 100 years or so for it to finish. Some of these concepts are just difficult to wrap your head around. This, to me, is the value of visualizing things. This is what is so cool about effective visualizations, is they help you get a handle mentally on the concept, and then you can actually grow your own thinking a little bit more effectively from there. So that's, in essence, the whole spirit of the project is visualizing Bitcoin from a protocol perspective. As far as what are the really important aspects of Bitcoin's design that matter to me over time. I just want to make a comment about the. The difficulty adjustment, too because the whole interface started with the orange circle and the red circle. And the difficulty adjustment, I think, is second in importance to the having. Because, of course, the halving is what gives bitcoin a fixed supply. We don't have fixed supply at 21 million without a halving. That's literally the mechanism that makes that happen. I think a lot of new people in bitcoin should be asking how it's great to learn Bitcoin. 21 million. It's a wonderful meme. How? Well, because the halving. Because there's a certain amount issued per block, and after you get to 210,000 blocks, the amount per block is cut in half. It's like you've got a hose turned on full blast, and then you turn it off 50% of the way, and then you turn it off 50% of the way,. And you keep doing that until the smallest drip of water is coming out. Some point in the future, our great, great, great grandkids will be looking at one satoshi per block as the subsidy. And then the halving comes, and there's no half a satoshi. So it just goes from one satoshi to no more satoshis. And there's our fixed supply. So that's why the halving's so significant. And the difficulty adjustment is the pacing of it. You know, satoshi cared so much about making the system fair in whatever ways that it could be. It's not ideal, it's not the fairest, but it. It has a lot of thought gone into the design in regards to fair issuance. And the whole idea that because it's proof of work, if you just had an increasing group of people competing for blocks like we've had. Look at the hash rate chart at times, like, I mean, it's just parabolic. And if you had that kind of competition increase, you're going to basically get blocks faster and faster. And probably all 21 million would have been issued in the first five years.

Walker (35:47)

Yeah.

TC (35:47)

Like, this is incredible to me. The difficulty adjustment is the mechanism that makes sure that it takes multiple human lifetimes to issue the supply of bitcoin. It paces it out so that despite a parabolic increase in the competition for blocks, that supply is issued over multiple human lifetimes. Granted, it's a slower and slower issuance, and people who were there in the beginning had an opportunity to get so much. But it's like, really profoundly meaningful to me that the difficulty adjustment was so thoughtfully implemented here to pace this distribution of bitcoin so that my kids, my grandkids, my great grandkids, one day will actually still have an opportunity to get new bitcoin from the protocol.

Walker (36:44)

It's mind blowing to me. Again, I think it's one of those things where the more you learn about bitcoin and the more you go deep into these concepts and you really start to learn the mechanisms that Satoshi created. At least I go back and forth in this. Like, God, was he really just that brilliant that he foresaw that he created this? I mean, you could argue that it's not perfect because nothing is perfect, but damn, is it, Is it pretty close. Like, the game theory of it is incredible. And you start to wonder how much of this was really, really purposeful and how much was kind of like a happy accident where it's like if Satoshi was looking, looking at it now, you know, from wherever he is or, you know, from, from another dimensional plane. What do you say? Wow. Actually didn't think about that, but hey, it worked out pretty well. Do you think about that at all? How much forethought? I mean, clearly a ton of forethought went into it, but some of these things, I'm just like, man, did you really know it was going to work out so well? It blows my mind. If so, I mean, it blows my mind either way, because it's either unparalleled genius or really happy accidents that have have occurred. But it's either way, it's just, it's remarkable.

TC (38:09)

I. I can't help but acknowledge the, the brilliance not just of the technical design, but the sort of in tuneness with human nature. There's like a mad psychologist to go along with the mad scientist, right? There's like somebody who really gets it, what makes human beings do what they do. And that's some of the secret sauce here. And I think it speaks to how genius the whole system is, because it's not just the technical feat. You know, Satoshi didn't invent proof of work and SHA256 and public private key cryptography. I mean, there's so many pieces of bitcoin that were created. You know, he was standing on the shoulders of giants that came before him. But the brilliance is in seeing a way forward and how to use these pieces to construct this system. It's stunning. I mean, it's incredible. And you know, we were currently living in a period of time where there's a lot of drama and there's a lot of disagreement. And, you know, I sometimes just come around full circle to the meme of the honey Badger and how resilient this thing is. And you know, this system is going to just keep ticking and talking and making new blocks and it's, it's incredible. Again, what do you look at to kind of remind yourself, what do you see to reflect on these things over time? Because everybody has their moments where they're really focused and you're thinking about it. But we're all so busy and overwhelmed with the world. And this project has been a real kind of refuge for me. And I offer it to the bitcoiners out there as something that hopefully can actually help them understand a little more about Bitcoin, find that contextual headspace, that refuge to remind you on a daily basis no matter what craziness is going on. You can, you can look here and wow, look what block we're at. Wow, look at the production of the blocks. And damn you, foundry with all the blocks you're hitting. And you know, there's so many different things like the, you know, the hash rate right now is just, you know, it's been flirting with a zeta hash and on all the averages, they're finally catching up now. And it's just, we're going to move on in a year or two from now. We're going to look back and who knows where the hash rate is going to be then. And I feel like it's, it's just one of these things. Like I pay attention to bitcoin now on a deeper level because I have this thing to look at every day. So maybe that's, that's kind of my message is, you know, time chain calendar is not the only way to do that. There's like I mentioned so many other great sites that offer the same information. It's about. I, I think it really is an important aspect of Bitcoin is don't stop learning. Don't stop and rest on your current perspective. There's too much, there's nobody who understands every facet of bitcoin, but certainly as a, as a bitcoiner, as a pleb, you start out knowing almost nothing. And the journey is like almost one of education. That, that in, in so many ways, even if you put on your investor hat and you look at all these suit coiners that are out there now and so many people who just see it from the point of view of the price and it's like, that's the arbitrage. That is literally the arbitrage is, do you understand what this thing is? Do you understand the problem in the world today and not just what the solution is. But why is Bitcoin the solution? And how is Bitcoin the solution? And you start developing answers to those questions. I mean, talk about conviction. Talk about the ability to see your life on a longer time frame, to start thinking more low time preference and making decisions for future generations. It all spawns from that. It all spawns from just better, better relevant perspective about all of these things.

Walker (42:52)

So is there a part, yeah. Is there a part of this journey for you in building out this, this time chain calendar that was like, did you discover something about or like, how did that really shift your own perspective? Was there anything that you came around to, like? Obviously, of course you already had a pretty deep understanding of Bitcoin when you started building this out. Given that necessarily you would need such an understanding, at least a pretty good one, to know what kind of stuff you want to put in to this visualization. But was there ever a point where you were kind of like, whoa, okay, I just like, I kind of never thought about it this way or something that really, like took you aback perhaps either in its, in its brilliance or just some sort of like, you know, second or third order effect or anything like that?

TC (43:39)

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's crazy launching this mobile app. It's such a big deal to me, but it's, it's honestly just the next step on a long list of steps to come. And as far as what I've done with, with this project, there's massive new frontiers to break still. I feel like I've forced myself to be very disciplined and not rush into other obvious areas. You know, there's a major facet of this dashboard that's missing that once it's there, this will be a full blown block explorer, which is I give you information about each block, but it's very high level. It's not like mempool space where you can then click into the block and see all the transactions. I love it.

Walker (44:37)

I was like, we were going on like 33 minutes there. Sorry to interrupt, but I was, I was, I was really like, I was starting to get a little bit of, a little bit anxious there. I'm like, maybe we'll never find another block again. Maybe this is the last block.

TC (44:48)

That's the whole thing. Every time one hits, you're. You're getting confirmation that the system is still working. It's bitcoin's heartbeat. It's bitcoin's irregular heartbeat. So what I was saying is, is there's a whole nother frontier still for me to Cross with this project which is bringing in the view of all the transactions inside each block and diving into the details of each transaction. I mean talk about a rabbit hole from a, from a knowledge and an understanding point of view. You know, any bitcoiner, go over to Mempool space, click on a block, pick a transaction, click on the transaction, click show details and start looking at what is inside these things. And it is mind blowing. And the amount of knowledge and understanding that is waiting to be crossed is pretty vast. Scroll up, click on any of those purple blocks, scroll down and you're in a. Keep going. You're in a list of transactions there. Just pick a transaction, click the link up at the top of any of those rectangles. Yep. Scroll down, look at the diagram, click on the details button on the right side.

Walker (46:04)

I always love this diagram. It's just, it's a cool way to look.

TC (46:07)

It's wonderful.

Walker (46:09)

This diagram actually helped me understand utxos a lot.

TC (46:12)

Right.

Walker (46:12)

A lot better. Like intuitively, you know what I'm like, I know it's an unspent transaction out, but, but like just literally seeing it like that, you're like, oh well, duh, okay, that, you know, that makes more sense.

TC (46:23)

Yeah. And now start looking at like the actual inputs and outputs. And there's so much information and technical aspects of these things and you know, these days obviously there's so many different kinds of transactions and there's so many different techniques and different purposes of transactions and it's a, it's a very deep rabbit hole. So I didn't want to kind of do a half assed job on any of that. And so I've actually ended up just focusing on that high level. I call Time Chain Calendar a Time Chain Explorer for that reason because I don't really offer you the opportunity to dive into the details of the blocks yet. And that is in the roadmap that is coming at some point. So it's just, you know, again though, sometimes it's withholding or omitting that you actually find your, your sort of North Star and your, your purpose. Like for me I've really tried to hone in on what it is that I'm really trying to do. It's that main Circles interface is the main sort of like stage, so to speak, of where I'm working. So, you know, that's one nice thing about the mobile app is it really kind of makes your view very focused because there's far less there and those circles dominate that home screen. And just looking at that Part of the interface and the information that's in the corners there.

Walker (48:02)

It is super clean and I don't.

TC (48:03)

Know, it's a lot to absorb just even there. So for me, I think of this project as a way to, you know, like I've been saying, it's your calendar. You check in on where and when you are in the time chain and you can always scroll back through the blocks. You can search for blocks. There's really cool search features in the mobile app to be able to search by block height. You can just tap the big block number in the middle on the mobile app. You can actually do that on the website too. There is a. You can actually just type a block height in there. That'll work. And it jumps you back to that point in time. Oh, look, you found a little hidden piece of art.

Walker (48:55)

Look at that.

TC (48:56)

Yeah, there's a sneaky sort of slightly hidden art gallery baked into time chain calendar. If you know, you know, there's actually a gallery button right down there at the bottom, you can just jump into the gallery. But got a ton of really great bitcoin artists and placed all their art on different blocks. This is kind of another little fun facet of this project.

Walker (49:20)

That's awesome. I love that. I mean, there's just. There's so many interesting ways that you can, you can take this too. I mean, so I'm. I mean, I'm curious if, if I can ask and you feel free to like, if for obsc. Reasons you don't want to say. But are you. Are. Are you doing any sort of work outside of this right now, or have you truly gone entirely into this? Because if so, that's amazing.

TC (49:42)

Yeah. It's been over two years since I've had a job working for anybody else and I like to say I'm essentially unemployable at this point. No, this is it. This is all I work on. This is all I think about each day. And I'm operating solo. I did this website myself and I launched these mobile apps myself. And yeah, it's. It's really an absolute labor of love at this point and I can't even think of anything else that I should be doing.

Walker (50:18)

I think that that's. That's incredible. And I mean, obviously your. Your skill is. Is self apparent in looking at this, but did you say that you actually, as you mentioned, you're basically full stack now? Did you. Had you built mobile apps prior and like, or was this kind of your first foray into the mobile app side of things?

TC (50:36)

You know, there was a couple projects that I contributed to back in my startup years. There were one company in particular had a React native app, which is using React, which is something I was using on the web. Actually. TimeChainCalendar.com is built with React. But apart from just brief contributions, this is the first time I actually built from scratch an iOS or an Android app, and I was able to do those in parallel. I used an incredible platform called Flutter, which I would highly recommend to any engineer that's interested in building native apps. It was definitely some learning curve up front. I had never used the Dart coding language that it uses. But I gotta tell you, Walker, we're in the era of there's no such thing as you don't know how to do it anymore. With AI and with determination and creativity, you can conquer your learning curves and you can conquer entirely new areas of work faster and easier than you ever have been able to before. So really the entire challenge of building backend, building on native apps that I'd never done before was not something that I couldn't overcome.

Walker (52:01)

I think that that's actually such an important point because at least in my mind, there's a lot of extreme opinions on AI on both sides and in the middle of people, but it goes all over the place, right? Everybody has a spicy hot take at all times. But one of the things that I think is really heartening is what you're describing, where you as a solo developer working independently, without deep knowledge in some of these other areas can much more quickly acquire said knowledge and have the tools to be able to build a meaningful application very, very quickly, relatively speaking, when it's just you working on it like you don't need a giant team, you don't have to outsource this, the grunt work to a bunch of, you know, kids in India either. Also, this is a sidebar, but I think, boy, India's kind of brute force developer economy is going to suffer, I believe, in these next couple of years, if it's not already just given the fact that so much of that kind of brute force grunt development work that was previously outsourced doesn't really need to be outsourced anymore, not at the same level it did. So that's going to be really interesting. But I'm curious if you think the advantage, if there's more of an asymmetric advantage on the side of the individual developers now, or if this just is a further centralizing force where, yeah, you can do more as an individual developer, but still it's nothing you know, you're the big guys are always still going to come in and, you know, and, and take what they want. I don't know how you, how do you feel about that?

TC (53:33)

I think that there's change in the air, but with a lot of things like this, not everybody sees the change at the same time and not everyone adapts in the same way. So what I see is a very wide spectrum of different outcomes where a lot of these large technology companies have basically been barreling towards, you know, outsourcing and going remote as of, you know, five, six years ago. And then in the last two or three years, I think the race is on to figure out how AI fits into so many of these processes. How do you build enterprise software using those tools? I think that the, you know, the, the companies and enterprises out there, they all have to figure out how to evolve quickly because the landscape is certainly changing and I think we're already seeing, you know, the end users are expecting a sort of different outcome with these tools. But it's, I think without a doubt it's a sort of golden era for anyone who is a builder, who's driven. Because I mean, I remember, I remember 10 years ago having this realization when you had Udemy and YouTube and all these different cloud based resources where suddenly you could learn a new skill and you didn't have to go through a two or a four year college program to get a computer science degree. You could actually just figure it out. I mean, so much of my years in web development and by the way, I never had a computer science degree but I always said, you know, that the secret to any of it was just figuring out what you didn't know, whether it was, you know, learning how to just do really effective searches with Google and find the right forum posts where somebody was having the same problem you were having and figuring it out or, you know, going and taking little tutorials or workshops and upskilling and figuring out how to, you know, get a set of skills that you would need. I just think that with AI now it's, it's a whole nother level of traction that you can get so quickly. You can start building and learn as you're building. You can just absolutely tear down the unknown. I love AI just for strategizing. It's incredible. If you have an idea and you have no clue how you would even go about executing on that idea, that's a wonderful use for this technology. So it's just empowering the individual and it really does come down to the individual. I Think somebody with far fewer skills but a ton of determination and effort can achieve more than somebody who has a ton of experience and skills but doesn't necessarily feel that motivated to, you know, grow or, or do something new. So I, I think there's really valuable perspectives there. This is just the 2025 modern version of that same kind of conundrum that I think humans have faced all through the millennium. So it's, it's, it's just this is, this is our generation's dynamic and you know, for me, sitting there, you know, middle aged guy, kind of like end of my reliable work career and like this total obsession with bitcoin and I have these, you know, web front end development chops and I spent a lot of time, I spent a good five, six months talking to people and thinking and brainstorming about what was I going to do and how was I going to advance this to the next stage. My mobile app is the first big step forward and I'm stoked that I got it done myself. And I'm stoked that looking back, that it only took a year and a quarter. But I remember last October when I was like, I think I'm gonna launch at the end of November and here I am next September. And so it's just, it's all relative. I really think that anyone who is sufficiently motivated and they have access to this technology, you could do things in superhuman amount of time if you're determined. If you're one of these people who you, you just burn the midnight oil and you pound away at something you could probably achieve what would have taken you years in the past in just months or weeks. And so that's, it's just one of the things we're gonna see is that there are people doing that now. And you see all this vibe coded stuff where it's like, I mean, Jack with, with, with bitch in a weekend that is real. That's like an idea come to fruition in unbelievably short amount of time. So it's, that's the era we're in. And I hope anybody who's listening to this think about your own perspective and what do you care about and what ideas do you have? What kind of things have you thought of where you were like, nah, I don't know how to do that. I could never do that. Well, we're living in the era where those phrases shouldn't be uttered because you have a way now to kind of break those barriers down. At the very least, like you could figure out how you would go about achieving those things. And that's an incredible, that's an incredible new tool in your, in your toolkit.

Walker (59:54)

It's going to be fascinating to see how this truly just revolutionizes the state of kind of quote, higher education, especially around some of these, you know, very technical fields like computer science. Because, you know, there, I feel like there used to be some, if you talk to like older, older developers, sometimes there was a stigma around like, oh well, he's self taught so he doesn't have, you know, all the chops of us who are these computer science majors now. It's kind of like, I feel like in the coming years it's very much going to be like, why would you waste your time going to school? They're so far behind, you know, and maybe that's not going to be the case for every university. Some will probably be very much with the times, but you know, like a lot of times they're not because they have their curriculums, they're big behemoth institutions, they're slower moving. Yes, you may have some professors who are more with the times, but a lot of them decidedly not so. So that's going to be fascinating. And the other thing that I think is really fascinating, this comes back to Jeff, Jeff Booth's thesis around, around just the deflationary nature of technology and how this is going to accelerate. Because when, when a single person can do what used to require an entire team and even more time and more resources, when a single person can now do that, well, that's just driving that marginal cost of production lower and lower and lower. And it's driving it so fast. Like if you just see what's become possible now just in like the last year or two with, with as these AI tools have gotten better, it's wild. And we're still in the early innings of that. So that is going to accelerate and accelerate. And when, when you have that ability, when anybody can take an idea and not even necessarily need to have the capital, they don't need to have the capital to back them to, to, you know, buy out a big team, they can just go in and do it and at least get a pretty good mvp. If we're talking about software like you can come up with a, get a pretty good MVP out, even if you're not the most technical person, you now have that ability with vibe coding. Granted, you're probably going to need some help from actually technical people polishing it up later. But if you're already a technical person like yourself, well then I mean, you are like a one stop shop. That's incredible. And I feel like the, the effects of that are ultimately overwhelmingly positive because again, it means more competition in the marketplace, which drives costs down, which makes everything better for everyone. Right. Except for the fact that that means they need to print more money because otherwise this big inflationary house of cards all collapses. But I'm glad we have bitcoin in that case. But it's wild to think about.

TC (62:31)

Yeah, it's reminding me of a conversation I had with a family member of mine who's, you know, getting close to coming out of high school. And I talk to them and I'm, you know, just excited and wanting to share about AI and hey, check out what, what I have been able to overcome and, and, and what is possible. And hey, have you thought about taking a different path? Have you thought about maybe taking advantage of the next year before you're out of high school and hustle and maybe even like launch your own business before you even get out of high school and skip college altogether? And wanting to talk to this young person about why I would even suggest something like that, how has the world around us changed? That maybe requires an entirely different strategy of young people. And therein lies a whole nother arbitrage because there are people doing that now. There are, and, and they're looked at like, oh, look at this genius wonder kid. No, that's just somebody who actually took an idea and put it into action and started earlier. And there's unbelievable different outcomes there. And I think about, you know, this family member of mine going out and doing college and being on the other end of that five years from now when we're in that much greater of a clownish scenario out there in the world, and they're no better equipped to actually survive in the world because of that educational path. So it's just, to me, that's a huge dynamic that I think a lot of bitcoiners take for granted is that I think just because being in the bitcoin scene, you're already thinking differently in enough ways, but your perspectives over time, I think put you in a place where you're allowing yourself to, you know, really be skeptical and allowing yourself to possibly discover completely different ways forward. And I think that's one of the potential sort of, you know, life rafts in this crazy scenario, you know, bitcoin being the ultimate life raft. But what do you do? Like, how do you actually put food on the table while you're, you know, still stacking and trying to get to, you know, a place where your, Your family is safe and everything. I look at young people and it's like there's such an opportunity here if you just understand what these tools really are and, and, and what possibilities they actually offer you. I don't know.

Walker (65:13)

No, I couldn't agree more. And the ones that take advantage of that now are going to be leaps and bounds ahead of everybody else, and they're going to keep getting further and further ahead. And that's the thing. I think that the children of bitcoiners, of people, early bitcoiners, and I view early bitcoiners as if you're in bitcoin right now, you are an early bitcoiner. And I think, first of all, would you agree with that statement broadly?

TC (65:40)

Yeah, I mean, I think somebody who's starting today is not late, let's put it that way. Yeah, I think, I think maybe you're not totally early, but you're definitely not late. Yeah.

Walker (65:51)

Because there's, There's. Unless you're satoshi, there was always somebody who was earlier than you.

TC (65:55)

Right.

Walker (65:55)

So relatively speaking, there's always somebody who's earlier. But like, we are still in the innovators phase of this in terms of actual adoption numbers, I think in terms of real, raw adoption numbers. So if you are the, you know, the child of a bitcoiner in, you know, in 15, 20 years from now, like, the world is going to look very different. And the world may have gone through an unbelievable amount of tumult and chaos in between, but the world that will be created afterwards, that will rise up from these ashes is going to, I believe, be more abundant and beautiful than we can imagine. And it is going to require pain in the way there. But if you are the child of a bitcoiner, if you're, you know, lucky, lucky enough, you know, I think of the meme with the, you know, the. It's like the 1950s dad with the two kids sitting on his lap, you know, oh, dad, you know, what were you doing during the pandemic? You know, it's like stacking sats, like a psychopath, you know, fucking legend. Like, it's really, it's really going to be. It's going to be that you're going to be so advantaged from a economic perspective, for one. But I believe that also be, hopefully if, you know, if we as bitcoiner parents do our job well, our children will think differently. They will think differently about the way that they interact with society, the type of society we build, the type of system that they want to operate in and how they don't have to play by the same rules that we played with, how they don't have to play by the same rules that even their peers play with, that there are other paths forward and that there is so much power in that realization. And sure, maybe they still just become podcasters, but at least they'll be bitcoin podcasters.

TC (67:33)

Yeah, I mean, there's a huge vector of freedom involved there too. Right. Because even if you have a great job and you work in an industry that you. That you can enjoy or that you even deeply care about, there's trade offs that you're making constantly whenever you're working on someone else's terms. And I think that's a huge feature of the modern working person's life, is this sort of hopelessness that comes from that rigid framework. And you know that, okay, for the next however many decades, I have got to show up and do what I'm told, and there's a whole other path possible. I mean, I've started to see the world a little differently. As far as, you know, the, the people that it's. It's a lot of, like, really successful or really wealthy people are just living on their own terms. And maybe it's just as simple as, you know, people who are taking full advantage of the tax code versus not understanding the tax code or may. But a lot of it, I think, really comes down to, are you working on someone else's terms or have you managed to orchestrate a situation in your life where you're truly working on your own terms? So to me, the subject we've been talking about here, with new ways to build and new opportunities to conquer learning curves. This is incredible shortcuts to short circuit that predetermined path that everyone seems to be on. Go through high school, go through college for another phase of your life, Go out there and work for decades, and one day you're gonna sit on a beach and retire and get your Social Security check. Yeah, right. It's like, I think we can all see clearly that whole promise is being rug pulled. And so I think it's a call to action that you've got to start thinking differently. It doesn't mean you have to just upend your current situation and totally shift gears right away, but start paying attention to what's happening and you may just realize you have entirely other options. And I think that's another bitcoin theme. That's. To me, what bitcoin represents is optionality in A future where so few people are going to have options. And so this is one that kind of touches on your, your career and how you actually keep your boat afloat. There are massive opportunities right now, and I think it's very hard to think of a line of work where you couldn't in some way add some efficiency gain, if not absolutely revolutionize what you're doing through just paying attention, utilizing some of this technology, finding that entrepreneurial spirit in yourself. I mean, after all, you're not just going to sit on a beach sipping a Mai Tai. You do something with your life. You need to have something to care about. You need to have something to be excited about waking up to each day.

Walker (70:55)

You may as well be vibe coding on the beach, drinking your Mai Tai. You know, like, if, if you're going to, if you're going to be out on the beach, you're going to get bored. That I think that's the thing. And I think, especially I think I'm going to speak for men, because I am one. But I think in my experience, and you know, knowing folks who have, you know, are older and have retired and, and those that are older and, and haven't retired and are doing that because they're making a choice that they want to keep being involved in things. You know, they want to keep building businesses, doing these things. It's not out of necessity, out of choice. If you have to keep working out of necessity as a cashier at Walmart when you're 75, that's not ideal, right? That's not ideal. But if you want to keep building businesses and creating products and creating value when you're that age and you don't want to retire, I think that ends up keeping you young longer. I think that you, you need those things to keep you engaged, to keep you, to keep your mind agile and to give you a sense of a sense of purpose, right? And not that you cannot get purpose through other means, but, you know, it's. I think again, especially for men, it's like a lot of the purpose comes from being a provider, right? From being able to know that what you were doing is creating value and that is allowing you to take care of your family. And, you know, you can like the, it's like the greatest value that I, that I get personally is like spending time with my wife and my son and my parents and her parents and, you know, our sisters. Like, that's the greatest value I have. And I want to be able to take care of my family as much as I possibly Can. And so I will sacrifice some of the amount of time that I could be spending with them to make sure that I'm creating value that will last long into the future. And that's. That's also a difficult balancing act. Like, it's a really difficult balancing act to figure out. Like, at what point is it enough? Do you know what I mean? Because if you're a complete, quote, workaholic, and I don't want to put a negative stigma out there on folks. Like, if you. If you love what you're doing, by all means keep doing it. Like, as a parent now, something that I've. I've been really thinking a lot about is like, okay, at what point does it not become worth it for me to put in those extra hours to, you know, to make that extra. Those extra sats, those extra dollars, whatever? At what point is that no longer worth it? Because the whole reason I'm doing that is to provide the best possible life I can for my family. Part of providing the best possible life I can for my family is also spending time with my family. Doesn't matter if I'm flying them on private jets everywhere. If I'm not there, I'm also not flying them on private jets. I've got a long way, very long way to go for that. But you know what I mean? This is something I really. I think about. And it all comes back to this question of time, right? And your own personal time chain. It comes back to the question of how do you want to spend that time? And why I'm really grateful for Bitcoin is because it does give me more of a freedom of choice because I'm saving in Bitcoin. I do have more of an ability to choose how I spend my time. I would not have that if I was still just saving in fiat, right? I purely would not. And I think that that's a really powerful thing because that gives us the ability where it's like, we. That extra. Like, what's the marginal value of that extra few hours worked that could have been spent spending time with your family? How much marginal gain did you get from that? And I think there is a diminishing marginal return there. Right? But thankfully, you don't even have to necessarily worry about that as much because you have Bitcoin as your savings mechanism. You have something that cannot be debased. So your time cannot be debased, your life force cannot be debased. And that allows you to be a lot more intentional, I think, which is what it ultimately comes down to. Because I'm not saying like, don't work at something you love. Like, that's, that's great if you can and people should do that. That is like the goal, right? But it's also like, you know, if you're like, I'm still, I'm still mining Fiat, you know, in addition to, you know, podcasting right now, I'm in between some sponsors. So like this, this will be like a pure value for value episode, which I'm, I'm doing now, which I'm like, yeah, you know what? Because the, the great thing is that I actually, this is something that I've made the choice that even if I wasn't making money on it, I would still do this. Like right now, I'm not making money on it. I'm literally doing this because I love talking to people about bitcoin and I think it's really important to have as many bitcoin podcasts as possible in an, in a non sarcastic way. I mean that because I want as many people as possible, as many plebs like me as possible to get bitcoin. And the more podcasts we have, the more people we have writing articles, the more people we have tweeting about it, no matter how toxic. That's a good thing. But I'm making that every time I do this, I'm making a value judgment. And I do think that long term this is something that is going to be beneficial to my family, even though it's time that I could be spending with them or time I could be spending mining Fiat. Because all of these little things we do within the bitcoin community are things that help to create that hyper bitcoinized future that we all want want, which ultimately benefits us. It benefits our families, it benefits all of us. So it's a very long winded way of saying, I think that what's so incredible about Time Chain Calendar is that it's a great reminder of how precious our time is and the passage of that time. And it should, it's something that you should think deeply about, which is how are you spending your time? And it's also funny. We talk about spending time and saving time, right? We talk about time like it's more money. There's a reason for that, right? Fiat's just a really bad way to spend or save your time. So thankfully we have bitcoin rant.

TC (76:31)

Fiat is a, is a time. Very nice rant, by the way. The, the, the Fiat is the time thief. I mean, this is the biggest IMMORAL part of all of this monetary system that we're trying to solve for, it's taking time away from you. People are working towards some perceived retirement that they may never get to because the, the holes in the bucket are so big. So, you know, bitcoin goes a long way towards solving that. You have to work hard though. You have to actually stack and keep stacking. You have to learn and keep learning. And when it comes to a lot of these questions about what do you do for work and what is your career, you know, these are just modes of perhaps capturing more time in your future, maybe bringing forward that time of your life when you're able to actually stretch out and relax more and have a little more fun and spend more time and be there. I mean, you know, I, I see it every day with, with my family. It's, there's. These some days, it's just, there's fleeting moments and you have to actually stop what you're doing. You have to actually make that space to really be in that moment, to really gain from it. And you never get it back. The next day is a different one. So it's, I think all of these things. This is, this is again why I think bitcoin is so meaningful. Just to put these kinds of thoughts in your head, to get you thinking in a new way, to get you open minded enough to see different ways forward and to actually take courageous, risky steps to really further advantage you and your family so that your time is more your own. You know what I was saying before about working on your own terms, it's huge to actually dictate what you're gonna be spending your lifetime doing versus kind of signing up for a regimented thing on somebody else's schedule, somebody else's terms. And that's your lifetime being spent with this dangling carrot of, oh yeah, decades from now, you'll be able to do it on your terms. It's such a Faustian bargain. It's such just. And so, you know, that's where I'm grateful that I've been in this thing these last several years. And I got to this place a couple years ago where I'm like, okay, it's time to figure out how to carve that new path. And I'm, I'm overwhelmed with having made it. I, I look at it like I made it to base camp. I am by no means at the summit, but I feel like launching this app was like making it to base camp. And it was a harrowing journey to get there, but here I am And I'm so excited for what lays ahead. And all these things we've been talking about are critical aspects of that going forward.

Walker (79:53)

I want to be conscious of the time we have and maybe give you a chance to talk about a little bit because I know I just saw like, I think it was either your post on X or on Noster, but just saying some of the things that you're planning on building, some of these features that you're building out. This is one of the reasons I did the paid subscription. Like one being want to support the awesome work that you're doing. Yes. You're giving me a valuable product. Yes. But also because you kind of teased it and you were like, well, any other special features that come out, you're going to get them. And I was like, what, what are those features going to be? Can you hint at any of those? And we got a new block.

TC (80:22)

Beautiful block too. I love those even number blocks.

Walker (80:26)

It's satisfying, right? It's satisfying, but yeah.

TC (80:29)

So whatever you can do without getting too wet. Let me give you and your listeners a little hint because I didn't mention this in any of the announcements with the app. Somebody's going to notice it. People are going to find out and look for it. But when new blocks hit on the mobile app, the ripples, that animation that we've been seeing a couple times here on the website, it's different on the mobile app and it's dynamic and different blocks have different patterns of ripples. And so that's actually something really fun to look for. The even number blocks do something different and basically like there's a, there's a sort of algorithmic scheme by which the pattern of the ripples is occurring. So some blocks you only see a little bit, one or two ripples, and other blocks you see more and there's different thicknesses and it's, it's kind of interesting. So just check for that. But in regards to your question, yeah, there's a lot more coming. I mean I, I had to again sort of be sort of disciplined and hold back and not talk about it too much on this launch. But there's so much more coming for the existing features. There's going to be way more widgets, there's going to be way more different flavors of alerts that you can set. There's going to be way more features in the camera. So subscribing just like sets you up to just get all this stuff. There's other big features going to land in the mobile app. I don't want to talk about those quite yet, but that's cool. But one big obvious one that a lot of people remind me of regularly is the watch app, which before I decided to build the mobile app, I actually wanted to build the watch app. And in my early proof of concept experimentation, it was clear to me that to really make it successful, it needed a mobile app to pair with it. And that's why one of the big reasons why I decided to go with the mobile app first. So now that the mobile app is out, there's a clear path to executing the watch app. So that's coming too. As far as even bigger picture, Time Chain Calendar is going to grow to as many platforms as I can bring it to. I just have this vision in my head of these circles on any screen anywhere. Really tiny, small, compact on your wrist, all the way up to filling a TV screen, filling up a whole wall. You know, it's going to be all over the place. So I'm basically in a nutshell without actually getting too specific, I'm going to be just bringing the concept to as many different platforms as I can. And that was the exciting thing about the mobile is that's a huge new platform beyond web to start working on. And each of these platforms offers new features and new ways to interact with it, all of it, hopefully, in the spirit of just connecting you more with this thing that you're so obsessed with, with this thing that you care about and that you want to learn more about and you want to kind of live in a, in a connected state with.

Walker (83:40)

I'll just say a couple of the things that I thought were really cool about the mobile app beyond the ones we've talked about already. Just the, like this day in bitcoin. That's super cool. It's just like sourcing a little bit of bitcoin history, a little few bitcoin fun facts. Very nice. And then what I still need to do, actually, I need to set it as my, as a widget on my lock screen because right now I think I've got like the bitcoin price that I'm pulling from. I think it's, I'm pulling it from like the Apple stocks app or something right now.

TC (84:06)

And it's fine.

Walker (84:07)

Like this looks cool.

TC (84:08)

The US dollar price. I've got the Moscow time version with and without a little bitcoin symbol, depending on how much offset you want to have on your lock screen. Check it out because there's I think something like 12 or 13 different lock screen widgets. You can apply on iOS. So have fun. Mix and match, play around.

Walker (84:30)

It's super cool. And again, it's just like something that makes Bitcoin more accessible to you, and it makes it a lot easier to see what the price is without opening up a different app.

TC (84:43)

Well, see, that's what I'm talking about.

Walker (84:46)

I'm always curious.

TC (84:47)

That's one of these ways to be more connected, right. Instead of actually having to open the app and look, you just glance at your lock screen or glance at your home screen and it surfaces that information for you to see it without having to even open an app. You know, I'm really excited about the watch for that reason. So that you just have it there on your wrist and it can buzz you every block or it can buzz you and, you know, price thresholds get hit and there's just so much more. All of these paradigms are really. I'm just scratching the surface with. So excited to just keep adding on and giving you more and more value for your subscription.

Walker (85:33)

So I love it, man. Well, I'm glad we finally got a chance to have this conversation. People should check out timechaincalendar.com Time Chain Calendar in the App Store, in the Play Store. It's cool. You are not, you are not paying me to say this. I'm literally paying you. So you. So you know that it's. It's sincere for folks who want to check it out. But I'll link. I'll link your. Your Noster and your X in here, but want to just let people know where else to find you or anything else you want to want to talk about.

TC (86:01)

I mean, there's so much more. I'd love to come back and have more conversations.

Walker (86:03)

Yeah, we're gonna. This has been a lot to have you back on. Yeah, yeah.

TC (86:06)

But I mean, just, just to wrap it up. Timechain calendar.com on the web and, you know, the socials follow, the, the project account, Timechain Cal on Twitter, if you're there. And on Noster, I'm at TC. The Nip05 is TC imjncalendar.com and that's basically a parallel account as far as the content that I post to what's going on over there on Twitter. I'm actually just kind of finding the, the courage and the. And the context for approaching Nostr in a new way at this point. I'm, I'm actually, I think I'm going to use that camera feature and I'm going to start a V log. I've been Kind of like building up the courage to do it. But I think I'm going to start doing that. And you know, Nostr is an incredible platform and it is not the same thing as Twitter and there's so many frontiers that I'm yet to kind of dive more into. So I'm excited about that. So if anything, connect with me there. And I'm just super grateful for coming on and chatting with you. This has been wonderful. I'm super overwhelmed with the positive response of the launch on Monday and I am just jacked excited about what's to come. So stay tuned.

Walker (87:31)

Well, thank you for spending some of your scarce time with me. It's much appreciated. People should seriously check it out. It's time Chain Calendar is just very cool. It's very satisfying and I, I might have to get a smartwatch just to be able to display it. Once you do have that, go live. But until then, yeah, looking forward to your, your V log, your vibe logging on on Nostr. We'll see over there. But seriously, thanks for coming on. It was, it was a blast. I have to have you back soon.

TC (87:59)

Awesome. Cheers.

Walker (88:01)

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