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ROCKSTAR DEV: SQUARE ENABLES BITCOIN, CENTRAL BANKER CANCER, RIPPLE SUCKS, BITCOIN FIXES THIS (VEGAS 2025)
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Rockstar Dev
We are getting to the point where our society is so complex that we cannot allow people to be like, oh, central bankers, please make a decision on monetary policy, but do not enrich yourself. They're like, no, no, we won't do it. Pinky promise.
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Walker America
Yeah.
- [00:16]
Rockstar Dev
You will not print a trillion dollars.
- [00:19]
Walker America
Unless we have to. And we always have to. Well, that's. That's the insane thing.
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Rockstar Dev
Like, man, it's.
- [00:23]
Walker America
It's funny to me that people look at bitcoin still and they're like, well, that's. That's crazy. What do you mean? No one's in charge. But it's like once you go down the bitcoin rabbit hole that you look at the fiat system and you say, that's crazy. Why are people in charge of the price of money? Why are these 12 dudes and they like, setting the price of money?
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Rockstar Dev
And they're like academics, you know, suits. They have this reputation of being knowledgeable.
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Walker America
They're economists. Yes. Yes.
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Rockstar Dev
Not. Not like you and me. We're. Yeah, we're a bunch of Internet trolls.
- [00:51]
Walker America
Degenerates.
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Rockstar Dev
Yeah. We don't understand it. It's. It's above our heads, Walker.
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Walker America
We don't have the necessary degrees to understand it. The Federal Reserve employs some, like, insanely high number of economists. And it's like, all that they do, it's not like they employ all these different economists and they all, like, debate and disagree with each other. They just get as many economists as they can so that they can all agree. And they're like, well, we've got consensus. Every economist that works for us says that we need to print more money. So, I mean, I guess we'll just print more money.
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Rockstar Dev
God bless those people. But you become part of the cancer on society.
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Unknown
Foreign plebs. My name is Walker, and this is the Bitcoin Podcast. Bitcoin continues to create new blocks every 10 minutes, and the value of one bitcoin is still one bitcoin. And if you are listening to this right now, remember, you are still early. I am back from the bitcoin conference in Las Vegas, and as you can hear, my voice is still pretty rough from having way too good of a time. But I do just want to give a quick shout out to everybody who took the time to come up to me and say that you love the bitcoin podcast or you enjoyed my narration of Lawrence Lippard's book the Big Print. It honestly means a lot to hear your feedback and I truly appreciate all of you supporting this show. Seriously. Thank you. If you find this show valuable and want to support it with some sats. Quick reminder that you can do so on Fountain app by boosting the show or becoming a paid subscriber. Or feel free to zap on Nostr or don't. Bitcoin doesn't care. This episode was a live stream with my uncle Rockstar at the Roxam booth in Vegas. And I want to give a shout out to the Roxam crew for letting me use their setup so I didn't have to bring all of my gear to Vegas as usual with my uncle Rockstar. It was a great rip. My only complaint is that it was far too short, so I'll have to have him back on the show again for a longer rip in the near future. All right, that is enough from me. Without further ado, let's get into this bitcoin talk with Rockstar Dev.
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Walker America
Rockstar developer, my uncle, I am Walker America. Both of those are our real names. And here we are. Here we are at the bitcoin conference here in beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada. Sin City. What a time to be alive.
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Rockstar Dev
How are you, my uncle Crazy man. You see that? We just actually just looked at. Dorsey tweeted out that now on square terminals, you can accept bitcoin. And this is what I've been working on, man. Now this card of mine that has.
- [03:34]
Walker America
Yeah, show the camera maybe, so they can see how awesome this is.
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Rockstar Dev
So that has laser eyes, right?
- [03:40]
Walker America
Incredible.
- [03:41]
Rockstar Dev
I can actually go to the terminal and pay with this. Isn't that crazy? Like, with this bitcoin, I just go and, like, tap to pay.
- [03:49]
Walker America
Here's what I love about this, because I feel like there's this ongoing narrative, or I shouldn't say narrative, maybe argument about, oh, you know, never sell your bitcoin, or, you know, you don't actually need to use bitcoin as money because using it as a store of value is good enough. You obviously have a different opinion on the matter and are actively working on things that make it very easy to use as money. As easy as using your card. So can we. Can we talk about this? First of all, what is this card? For people who don't know, I also.
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Rockstar Dev
Want to talk it from a perspective I understand. Yeah, not everyone is an altruistic idiot like myself, right? So you spend years developing fast software while you could have just, you know, amassed. Bitcoin didn't do anything. You're up in profits. That's it. But the thing is, when people say, don't spend your bitcoin, spend fiat, actually I see the technical way of how to do that because you can't keep your bitcoin. Now we're getting to the point where you can literally borrow against it infinitely. And as you're doing that, you have dollar balances backed by bitcoin. And then you can use cards like this that are essentially just authentication key that sends a signal to server transmit this much like pay this lightning invoice authorized. And. And that's all that this is. I. What I love about situation now is now that square rolls this out, man. You have a lightning node running.
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Walker America
Yep.
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Rockstar Dev
You tie it to bolt cards. You're paying from your lightning node to square. Isn't it insane? And I.
- [05:30]
Walker America
It's incredible.
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Rockstar Dev
I don't even want to get in the whole kyc. No Kyc. I think I spoke with Saylor about his bolt card that's coming at the conference. So it will be at official conference store releasing tomorrow morning. I'll see if Michael can get his card and use it to pay with bitcoin and we can set it up. So he's spending dollars, actually. So all good, Michael.
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Walker America
I mean, and either way, if he's not spending his bitcoin, maybe presumably he's good with it.
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Rockstar Dev
Well, I mean, he's spending Coinbase's bitcoin, right? Yeah, but to me, man, that's okay. If you want to have a custodian and you want someone to be responsible, someone you can pressure, okay, that's a bank. But you could come tap to pay. Done.
- [06:25]
Walker America
I love these cards because I think one of the things that was always, always hard for people when it comes to understanding bitcoin, like, I was just talking to somebody on a flight here to Vegas. Nice gal was coming in for a Kenny Chesney concert, and she works as like a financial adviser, actually, and started chatting up Carl and I, and she said, you know, some of my clients have, you know, asked me about bitcoin. I don't. I don't know, like, I don't understand it, you know, whatever. And she's like, you know, because you can't touch it, it's not like physical. And. And. Which I always think is such a weird thing for people to say, because first of all, okay, you got cash on you or you using a credit card or a debit card? Debit card, Credit card. Okay. So, like, where is that? You can't touch that either. It's just like you just have this physical card, but that makes them think it's physical, even though there's nothing physical about it, this is kind of like I feel like bridges that gap where people then feel oh now look, I can touch the bitcoin, you know, like the bitcoins are in the card and it makes a difference for people. It really does.
- [07:25]
Rockstar Dev
And it's way cooler with laser eyes and experience.
- [07:28]
Walker America
It's so sick.
- [07:30]
Rockstar Dev
I spoke with Odell about this and I think now that we will be moving from you like get your wallet out, scan to pay, pull the, we move to this, tap to pay. I think the ultimate frontier is you get this into the phone and then you tap and pay like with Apple pay. And behind all of that is bitcoin settlement layer. So excited because it took us time man. When you look at mainstream media, they were calling us out that, look at that, that there. It's a bitcoin conference but you can't pay with bitcoin. It's on chain, it's 10 minutes, it's this and that. Sure. But we worked on the technology for last, five, six, seven, you know, eight years bringing up Lightning network and now it's ready. Now it's literally you have square like a company that's tens of billions of dollars worth rolling out. Like hey, you remember you see this that we have at BTCPay open source tab to pay. Now we have it as well. And it's beautiful man, to see it.
- [08:37]
Walker America
That square announcement is honestly huge because that's something that is used by like so many small businesses, especially small merchants, you know, individuals who aren't running some big enterprise and maybe you know, couldn't pay for whatever expensive POS software and hardware terminals were, were out there and square filled like a definite need for them. Now they're coming in and across all of the, I don't know how many, how many merchant users they have, but it's a massive, an insane number. Now anyone can pay with bitcoin at those. And I feel like that, that just breaks down so many walls that were up there before there was where it was really easy to say, well okay, if you know the classic argument, if bitcoin's money, then why can't we spend it anywhere? And you know, speaking of people who say that, I see Peter Schiff walking by right now. Maybe, maybe he'll stop in, we'll see.
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Rockstar Dev
Gold is old, Peter Gold is old.
- [09:28]
Walker America
No, no, he's ignored. He's a man on a mission.
- [09:31]
Rockstar Dev
Yeah.
- [09:31]
Walker America
A very cool shirt though. Very cool shirt. I'll give him that.
- [09:34]
Unknown
But you know, it takes away those.
- [09:36]
Walker America
Arguments where you say, well why can't I spend it anyway. And it's like now you can spend anywhere.
- [09:40]
Rockstar Dev
And one thing, all of these merchants are now stacking sats right as you're like a mom and pop shop that's moving to bitcoin standard and suddenly your purchasing power is increasing over the time. It's no longer because we say bitcoin is not get quick rich scheme, it's don't get poor slowly scheme. Because and sailor has that. The people that use fiat currencies as money, we call them poor. It's just you're diluted every day, man.
- [10:12]
Walker America
It is, it is a. It is a great quote. Yeah. And made into a really banger banger house track too as well. It's a remix. It's a great sample remix.
- [10:22]
Rockstar Dev
We need to add this to the video.
- [10:23]
Walker America
Yeah, absolutely. So now you've got the ability to use these cards can for anybody maybe can you give the. The high level technical of like how that actually work without like. Like this. This is a, a bolt card.
- [10:35]
Rockstar Dev
Who cares? Like you. You mean like two developers out of every.
- [10:38]
Walker America
Okay, so.
- [10:39]
Rockstar Dev
Okay, I'll tell it.
- [10:41]
Walker America
The point is it works.
- [10:42]
Rockstar Dev
Yeah. But anyone that wants to replicate this setup installed BTC Pay server. Nicholas Dorier, Emperor Nicholas who founded BTC Pay server, he created this bold card bank plugin. So if you want to onboard your family on bitcoin standard, you get these bolt cards. You give everyone allowance. Like this card is 20,000 sats or 20,000 bitcoins. We won't know soon. Walker, like rename Satoshi.
- [11:13]
Walker America
We might have to get into that a little bit.
- [11:15]
Rockstar Dev
But the thing is you get like five of these cards, you have five members of your family go expend. Go buy steak and shake tap to pay bitcoin standard and we get corporations to stack sets as well. And I'm telling man this as pump says rocket ship is, is leaving man. This time. Yeah. For real.
- [11:39]
Walker America
It's actually I want to sidebar quick to the steak and shake thing because I think this is honestly like, like first of all it's cool. I. I enjoy steak and shake. I enjoyed them even more when they put tallow instead of every like incredible, incredible. And then now they have integrated bitcoin where you can like I literally went and I bought a burger and fries and actually I got a Frisco melt. A Frisco melt kind of guy and fries and a shake you know and everything. And I paid in bitcoin and it was easy. And it's kind of incredible. Like it's an incredible marketing tactic. For the them as well, because they get so much free advertising now from all this toxic psychopaths on the Internet who are like, this is really cool. I just went and bought steak and shake with bitcoin. This is a huge franchise nationwide. I mean, do you think we start to see more of this, like, as these, like, the tools have gotten better now? The tools have gotten way better even than a couple years ago. I haven't been in as. As long as you, but, like, I've seen this progression and it's amazing. Do you think we start to see more of businesses do this?
- [12:40]
Rockstar Dev
I think we're at the, you know, that critical point, critical juncture. It's literally like this conference, man, now that Square has announced. I think that's it. Because, you know, you know how it is. You've been in bitcoin, as you say. Like, maybe not as long as me.
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Walker America
But you're getting a few years now.
- [12:57]
Rockstar Dev
Yeah, you had the whole, oh, you're crypto couple. You're not bitcoin couple. Everyone hating. And when we met at Beefsteak, Josh and Beefsteak, I think I told you the same thing, actually. But I like, then telling everyone like, hey, it takes time because everyone just. People look at this video, they say, like, what is this masked guy doing? But then they research. They're like, oh, oh, these guys, they're like somehow improving their lives and getting wealthier as they do it. I want that. I want that for me. I want that for my family. And I'm telling you, when we were memeing this, I remember Bitstein doing the whole, fix the money, fix the world. They're like, yeah, right. How will you fix it? And we're like, we will fix it. We will fix the money with bitcoin. We'll fix the world. They're like, yeah, right. Bunch of freaks online, like geeks. But now people are like, oh, they're actually doing it. They're fixing money, fixing food supply, the seed oils, poison. It's just you. You get all the bloating, mitochondria, you know, probably better than me. I just.
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Walker America
Stuffing yourself full of an industrial lubricant, basically, that was packaged as some somehow a food.
- [14:13]
Rockstar Dev
I watched, yeah, your videos. I like, followed your post. And I'm like, okay, let me try not to eat, like, seed oils. Then I'm like, oh, actually, I feel, you know, less bloated and all that. Like, it's almost like you're. You're having infection, man. Like, I don't know how to explain it.
- [14:32]
Walker America
It's, it's a Fiat infection, really. It's like something that's, that's totally avoidable and should never have happened. But somehow because of this fiat system that we live in, where everything needs to, you know, you got to hide the inflation by making stuff shittier.
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Rockstar Dev
Metabolism slows down.
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Walker America
Yeah. It's like. And then it's amazing.
- [14:51]
Rockstar Dev
It is.
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Walker America
And then a company do that though, to say, no, no, no, no seed oils anymore. Like, we're not going to poison our customers. That's great. More of that, please.
- [14:59]
Rockstar Dev
I understand the way that started we were on Fiat standard. Everything is getting faster. They're like, oh, we can save 10 cents if we use this oil now. They're coming to senses. They're like, well, we can save 10 cents right now, but this person is going to get progressively sicker as it's getting full of seed oils and other. Not even seed oils, but all those extra chemicals they're adding to food to last longer. No, improve the technology. There is no reason for you to put preservative in a meat. Improve.
- [15:34]
Walker America
Do you want your customers to die younger? Because then they won't be your customers anymore. It's going to cost you more to acquire new ones.
- [15:40]
Rockstar Dev
It's just okay, improve the food, Food supply chain logistics. Get the fresh burgers in, grill them, eat. But we're getting there, man. I'm telling you. They thought we were crazy, but it is. Fix the money, fix the world. We're doing it.
- [15:56]
Unknown
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Walker America
I think that now that it's kind of interesting so where we're at in like this particular cycle again, I haven't been around for a lot of cycles. You know this is kind of like first time seeing these things happen, but this is a very interesting cycle. It appears from from what I've seen where you have like the institutions are actually here. It's not like the institutions are coming, it's like no, the institutions are here and they are gobbling up sats at the same time. From what I've seen retail, you know, quote, retail is actually not so much here yet. And I don't know what it takes. If bitcoin's been too boring, you know, bouncing around above 100,000 cuckbucks, somehow that's boring. But apparently it's too boring for most people to pay attention yet.
- [19:50]
Rockstar Dev
I think it is partly the fact that everyone is getting robbed. You see, even the dips in stock market, and it's like, hey, people buy the dip. And they're like, with what? Yeah, my credit cards are maxed out. But that's exactly the. The system is rigged. Is one. Once you get to million dollars, okay, you're coasting on 10% of inflation. That money printer, like, you're becoming insider, hello, Warren Buffett, you know, rat poison. I get it. Like, those people are invested in that system, and that system got us to a point. I don't want to be Fiat system was 100% bad. It wasn't actually, like, it brought us ability to settle much faster technical innovations. Like, we have the whole Internet revolution. But we are getting to the point where our society is so complex that we cannot allow people to be like, oh, central bankers, please make a decision on monetary policy, but do not enrich yourself. They're like, no, no, we won't do it. Like, pinky promise.
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Walker America
Yeah.
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Rockstar Dev
Like, you will not print a trillion.
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Walker America
Dollars unless we have to. And we always have to. Well, that's. That's the insane thing.
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Rockstar Dev
Like, man, it's.
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Walker America
It's funny to me that people look at bitcoin still and they're like, well, that's. That's crazy. What do you mean? No one's in charge. But it's like once you go down the bitcoin rabbit hole, but you look at the fiat system and you say, that's crazy. Why are people in charge of the price of money? Why are these 12 dudes and they, like, setting the price of money?
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Rockstar Dev
And they're like academics, you know, suits. They have this reputation of being knowledgeable.
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Walker America
They're economists. Yes.
- [21:36]
Rockstar Dev
Not. Not like you and me. We're. Yeah, we're a bunch of Internet trolls.
- [21:41]
Walker America
Degenerates.
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Rockstar Dev
Yeah. We don't understand it. It's. It's above our heads, Walker.
- [21:44]
Walker America
We don't have the necessary degrees to understand it. And then that's the. This is a total sidebar. But the Federal Reserve employs some in, like, insanely high number of economists.
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Rockstar Dev
And it's important work.
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Walker America
All that they do it's not like they employ all these different economists and they all like debate and disagree with each other. They just get as many economists as they can so that they can all agree. And they're like, well, we've got concerns Census. Every economist that works for us says that we need to print more money. So, I mean, I guess we'll just print more money.
- [22:11]
Rockstar Dev
God bless those people. But you become part of the cancer on society. Maybe I'm too harsh, but yeah, imagine like, you listen, you got to go to work, you got to provide for your family, but at this point you got to be like, okay, I'm part of the system. That's wrong. It's just, it's wrong because when you're part also big companies, not even Fed, but big companies, and you're like doing those meetings and everyone is smiling and you're like pushing the envelope, you know, you can do better. And these people like printing money then distributing it around the world to NGOs, Soros, Bill Gates, Bill Gates, he's going to fix everything. We just need to trust him, man. So, but no, it's, it's just, system is bad. Like, I wish Bill Gates, man, would be just like, okay, everyone is yelling at me. I must be doing something wrong, right? But these psychopaths, they're like, everyone is yelling at me. I misunderstood.
- [23:18]
Walker America
They just, they just don't get it. I, I, I need to help. The, the, the pores out there, they're just too stupid to understand what I'm, what I'm doing, you know, is really for their best interest because they don't know any better. Simpletons. Yeah, it's, it's a very condescending, condescending attitude that is perpetuated by some of these guys that are at the very tippy top.
- [23:41]
Rockstar Dev
I think it's a corruption, man. It's just your, your brain becomes corrupted into thinking you're going to say, yeah, like save your, save the world. Yes. Yeah. And then, well, luckily we have bitcoin. So you just stay humble. Stack sets. Now if you're square merchant, we want you in Bitcoin. Enable Bitcoin payments stack sets and let the FIAT system show its way out. Because, man, I also love that politicians are now simping so we could do more like this. Not serious interviews. We just have fun while they do like all the serious talk.
- [24:17]
Walker America
Bitcoin, you know, it's kind of funny. Like, I think sometimes bitcoiners forget that we're at this stage right now where we don't have to suck up to politicians. The politicians are trying to suck up to us. They're also realizing that bitcoiners are this growing cohort that has a. Like, a growing amount of wealth first. We're also incredible memers, so they, like, they need our mimetic energy as well as our economic energy.
- [24:42]
Rockstar Dev
And me and Walker, we have zero bitcoin.
- [24:44]
Walker America
I lost all of mine gambling. We're here in Las Vegas. Yeah, it's very sad. I'm gonna have to start from scratch, but I'll build up sat by sat, you know. Yeah. Step by step. But no, we're at, like, Politicians are at the bitcoin conference again. It's been multiple years in a row, and they are actively trying to say, like, why am I a politician that is pro bitcoin? They're fighting over themselves to prove who is more proud pro bitcoin, who has, you know, and it's Republicans and Democrats both. Maybe more Republicans now, but, like, no, Democrats are catching on.
- [25:15]
Rockstar Dev
They're catching up. Because you. You saw last year at the bitcoin conference how much money was raised for Trump by bitcoin. And I posted back then. It's just. Just I post, and then people are like, oh, you know, this not serious person. But I said, like, if you're a politician, if you're a politician, support bitcoin and you will be supported to win. And if you go against bitcoin, you will lose. And I tell to people, Trump won because of bitcoin, or they say, like, crypto vote. They always try to get in the shitcoin. But the thing is, if people don't believe that Trump won because of bitcoin, even those people believe that Kamala lost because of bitcoin because of Operation Chokepoint because they alienated the whole industry. That then 95% went Trump donations. The only one that chose the wrong side were Ripple. And now they're coming and they're like, please, take us. Take us in. We're like, we want to help. But even then, they're like, yeah, wait.
- [26:24]
Walker America
Did you see the thing? This was actually hilarious. That Brad Garlinghouse, you know, chief executive shitcoiner of Ripple.
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Rockstar Dev
We love you, Brad.
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Walker America
Oh, you.
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Rockstar Dev
You're such a meme.
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Walker America
You. Yeah, you are hilarious. But he. He posted like, oh, I tried to meet with Senator Lummis, but she. She declined my meeting and, like, won't answer my calls and refuses to meet with me. And I'm like, such a shit. That's right, man. That's. That's amazing, though. That Even the, the toxic maximalism is bleeding into politics. Their politicians are realizing at least some.
- [26:57]
Rockstar Dev
Of them don't have time to deal with scammers. Like, come on, man. Like, stop doing that stuff. Like, we don't meet. Okay. Do better. But no, they go. He goes online and cries, trying to throw senator on their butt. Like, come on. Okay. Will she meet with you now? Yeah, definitely never.
- [27:16]
Walker America
And, and you look, you look very weak.
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Rockstar Dev
I'll see you there. I'll see you there.
- [27:20]
Walker America
Oh, man, it. It is incredible to see this, this vibe shift. Even with the. Okay. The strategic bitcoin reserve. You know, this idea, it's. It's contentious. I think that I'm of the opinion that this was an inevitable result of bitcoin succeeding. Like, of course governments will want to hold it. This is not me saying I, I approve or disapprove. I'm just saying I think this was inevitable. Right.
- [27:41]
Rockstar Dev
Better system.
- [27:42]
Walker America
Of course. Like, why, why? If. If bitcoin is the best money, why wouldn't governments and corporations want to hold it? They'd be stupid not to. That said, I think it's very interesting that a lot of this toxic maximalism has actually bled into the regulations that there or the, you know, executive orders that came out. Yeah, we're going to hold the bitcoin. We have not sell it and try to acquire more. This is what the executive order said in terms of the crypto, the digital asset stockpile, the non bitcoin. We will probably sell it and we're not going to acquire more. Like, it's two completely diametrically opposed treatments of these things. And it's like, as far as, like, from a maximalist perspective, it's like amazing.
- [28:22]
Rockstar Dev
No, no.
- [28:22]
Walker America
But then again, the President also launched a shitcoin.
- [28:25]
Rockstar Dev
Yes, okay, but that's the thing is I wish around that Trump had better advisors and had his own. Because your reputation is just not worth it in the long run. Like, two things. Seifeddine with his work, amazing work that shows that hardest money always wins. There is no, oh, this will be number one money and number two, three, four, like 15. You always want to be holding the hardest money. And then you held gold. Gold was the hardest money. The best technology that was available to us. Great. Did silver people come in? They're like, silver is better. No, it's not. And you can argue with those people. However, that is the same and the same situation. Like you have bitcoin and you have silver people. Like these shitcoiners, they're silver people. Gold people understand this so hardest money always wins. And number two, toxic bitcoin maximalists. The term was coined by Vitalik Buterin, who as a, you know, derogatory term to like show all these crazy people that are not reasonable, they're too stupid to understand. My technical genius. Ten years have passed, right, since Ethereum. More than 10 since Ethereum was out last month. Vitalik comes and says, hey, we should be more like bitcoin, dude. We've been telling you for 10 years, you took so many people in the wrong direction, you made bunch of money. Great, great for you. You know, you and your insiders, you keep dumping on retail, great. But you know, the whole thing. And American Hodl has the way better video. He's a toxic maximalist. La la la. They cry. Sure. I mean, the best thing about bitcoin is you believe in it. You hold it. You don't need anyone else. When people start asking you, you answer questions. When you do, when someone asks you five times, you play Walker's video of sailor thing and that's it. It's just like focusing on, on yourself. Focus on your loved ones, people that you care about. You know, someone asked me about bitcoin, I'm like, it's a scam. Don't buy it. I called Walker. We talk. So, yeah, have fun.
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Walker America
Sidebar. Did you hear that American Odle is running for President of the United States? That. This is just what I hear. This is the word on the street. I don't know. I don't know.
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Rockstar Dev
Listen, I don't vote, but if he truly, like, get some tickets, I would vote.
- [31:14]
Walker America
I hear, I hear it's the, the American Hotel Eric Cason ticket. That's. That's what I'm hearing.
- [31:19]
Rockstar Dev
Oh, my God. I'm like, I'm voting definitely.
- [31:21]
Walker America
It's the most based ticket of all time. I mean, that's what I hear.
- [31:24]
Rockstar Dev
Listen, Eric. Eric is just special. He is a master shaman. That's. That's how I address him. And then he is. Because he's unapologetically himself. I think he also carries a little bit of guilt because he's like, why me? Why did bitcoin pick me with all this burden? And like, got me to the point where I'm set and I can just focus on philosophy. And I think he's trying to deliver, but, man, I think he's going to.
- [31:56]
Walker America
Make a great vice president, you know, really great.
- [31:58]
Rockstar Dev
I don't vote, but I would vote for that ticket. So Hodl Kayson, you have my vote. I can't believe I will be voting, man. I'll be getting all those scammy like. Like, oh, you need to be part of the jury thing. Oh, man. That's how they get you.
- [32:12]
Walker America
That it is a trap. Yes.
- [32:13]
Rockstar Dev
So I would. I would sacrifice myself that much for you, too. If you. If you go on Ticket.
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Walker America
You heard it here first. The American Hodl. Eric Case and Ticket also. I do. I do still say Hodel. We don't have to get into that now. But I should pronounce American Hodl's name as he pronounces it. Just, you know, that's what he identifies as an American Hodl.
- [32:34]
Rockstar Dev
What are his pronouns?
- [32:36]
Walker America
Yeah, I think his pronouns are American and HODL.
- [32:41]
Rockstar Dev
615.
- [32:42]
Walker America
Yeah. You know, that turned out to be pretty darn good advice.
- [32:46]
Rockstar Dev
Yeah. I mean, that guy can meme that. The funniest things, when girls started approaching me at the conferences and they're like, do you have 615? I'm like, I. I didn't, like, understand. It took me like three months to figure it out. Like, so. So stop doing that. Girls don't approach.
- [33:06]
Walker America
Oh, man. You know, it's. It's amazing. I mean, we're at the. We're at this point where, like, again, I haven't been in bitcoin that. That long. It's good, you know, a few. Few years now, which is cool. Time flies, but it.
- [33:18]
Rockstar Dev
I don't know when you're having fun.
- [33:20]
Walker America
Yeah. But the other thing is, still feels. It feels early. I think, to those of us who are watching, like, in the space watching this happen, but to people who are maybe just like, hearing about bitcoin because it starts pumping again, they see the price tag and they start saying, oh, I must be late, you know, I must be late, you know, and obviously a lot of them may not know that you can buy a, you know, a fraction of a bitcoin called a satoshi. Like, you can. You can buy a dollar worth of bitcoin or a couple cents worth of bitcoin. Like, that's. That's amazing. But they may not know that. But I'm curious, you know, do you think, like, are we going to have just another shitcoin cycle? Because now the price of bitcoin is so high and, like, does this just keep repeating itself forever? Like, this is what I want to know. Do shitcoins eventually all die out? Or do shitcoins just keep coming and scamming new people over and over again?
- [34:10]
Rockstar Dev
Forever, forever, forever, forever. Sad, though. Yeah, but that's why. Why money Exists. It's. It's a tool for truth. Because, you know, oh, Walker, we are buddies. Do this for me. They're like, okay. I'm like, hey, Walker, we're buddies. Do this for me. Like, okay, sorry.
- [34:29]
Walker America
I just saw Tatum turn up.
- [34:30]
Rockstar Dev
Tatum? Yeah, he's like, hey, Walker, retweet this with. You're like, okay, man, like, $5, $10. Like you. You switch the relationship to. It's like a lightning channel. You gotta be settled. It can't. I can't be the psychopath that's constantly demanding things for you. And if I do that, gotta pay you. So money is a tool for truth when it's used.
- [34:55]
Walker America
Well, I love how popular you are, Uncle. It's. It's amazing, you know, for a man who doesn't show his face. Everybody knows, Uncle.
- [35:02]
Rockstar Dev
Yeah, but I'm telling you, man, if there is, there is a better coin, we will all be in it. Until then, we're good for 100 years.
- [35:14]
Walker America
Didn't you hear? Actually, XRP is better than bitcoin. So I guess we're all switching over. It is ridiculous, though. I mean, I guess, like, I guess, you know, scammers are going to scam. Right? And that's why, like, that's why bitcoin education is also so important. Because if you get to people, like, most people go through a little bit of a shitcoining phase because they get distracted by the bright lights.
- [35:36]
Rockstar Dev
Yeah, yeah.
- [35:36]
Walker America
The flashy marketing and some jackass influencer who tells them that, you know, XRP is going to $100. But no, it's not. No, it's not like they're. They're dumping it on you. Like, who you're buying it from Ripple also. And. And they are just going to keep dumping on you. Yeah, but, like, eventually, maybe a lot of us need to shitcoin a little bit and get burned before we go into bitcoin and say, okay, now I'm, you know, I'm all in. I don't want to get burned anymore. I want to just save the value of my hard work. I want to save my time and my energy in something that can't be corrupted by some, you know, jackass crypto Crypto founder and a bunch of VCs.
- [36:11]
Rockstar Dev
Like, I think you literally opened with a question. We went through the whole arc, like, don't buy bitcoin. It's a scam. Buy whatever. And then after five years, you will be like, oh, I wish I actually listened to these guys. They actually had nothing to gain. They only had to lose because less sats for them.
- [36:32]
Walker America
I know, but speaking of sats, where do you sit on the sats versus bits versus bit? Just calling sats bitcoin debate. Where are you at with this? I like stats personally, man.
- [36:43]
Rockstar Dev
I think people are. I see the whole thing that we need to rename sats into bitcoins. I see it as a very condescending. People are not smart enough. People are amazing, man. It's just they're under so much pressure with this fiat high velocity trash economy. You're like forced to run the hamster wheel. People are smart when they just tell, hey, there's one bitcoin, it's divisible in 100 million satoshis. That's it. Boom, boom dollar cents. But there is also the thing is that people that are in bitcoin, it's a status game, you know, you become, oh, I am the developer that merged PR into bitcoin core. And this is where power corrupts because you want that status, you want that influence. And maybe that's actually the biggest thing that I love about bitcoin. It allows those people that are not status seeking stack sets do your thing. So yeah, I'm definitely team sats. And I think people that are renaming sats into bitcoins, they'll be just like laughed. Maybe it even happens on square terminals. They show like bitcoins. So you're buying for 20,000.
- [38:02]
Walker America
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh boy, this is gonna get confusing, isn't it?
- [38:05]
Rockstar Dev
So Jack Dorsey, you're wrong. But it's okay. We still love you, man.
- [38:09]
Walker America
With all due respect, sir, with all.
- [38:11]
Rockstar Dev
Due respect, sir, Odell is right.
- [38:14]
Walker America
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's.
- [38:16]
Rockstar Dev
It's like there will only be 2.1 quadrillion bitcoins.
- [38:20]
Walker America
That's how many zeros are in quadrillion. I don't even know a lot.
- [38:25]
Rockstar Dev
Like there will only be 21 million mega bitcoins.
- [38:28]
Walker America
A mega bitcoin does sound kind of cool though. I do kind of like that. Like I like that idea.
- [38:34]
Rockstar Dev
Ultra bitcoin bitcoin.
- [38:35]
Walker America
Ultra bitcoin. Ultra ultra mega, mega premier bitcoin.
- [38:38]
Rockstar Dev
And now we're shitcoining.
- [38:40]
Walker America
I know, that's the problem.
- [38:42]
Rockstar Dev
Let's close it up. Let's close it up. Uncle has places to be.
- [38:46]
Walker America
Uncle has place to be. Okay, so uncle, if you, if you had to leave people with something and thank you for joining by the way. I appreciate, I know you're running around. It's. It's always good to get a therapy session with, with my uncle, if you, if you had to leave people with something, you know, for somebody who stumbles across this, who is new to bitcoin, maybe who sees this spectacle that we have here in Las Vegas and thinks, like, what even are we dealing with here? What do you say to that person who just feels overwhelmed and like, I don't even know where to start.
- [39:15]
Rockstar Dev
Subscribe to Walker's YouTube channel.
- [39:19]
Walker America
That's too kind.
- [39:20]
Rockstar Dev
No, we have the best influencers as well. There is the whole joke that, oh, you're doing these faces. Do them, man. You're fighting the army of shitcoin influencers. Any people that we manage to scam into bitcoin, scam them into profits. They're saved. So subscribe to your channel and watch Uncle's interview. Yeah. With Walker. You don't like me, don't like him. Find the voice in bitcoin that speaks to you, you know, Jack.
- [39:50]
Walker America
Or become that voice. Become. Start your own bitcoin podcast. Why not? We need more.
- [39:55]
Rockstar Dev
We need more podcast. Yeah, but no, like Jack Mallers, he talks to a lot of people. Yeah, listen to him. Safedine. Matt Odell. So find the voice that speaks to you in bitcoin. Like, now even Trump is in bitcoin. I don't know if that's a good voice to listen.
- [40:14]
Walker America
But, you know, don't, don't buy. Don't buy his shitcoin.
- [40:18]
Rockstar Dev
Don't buy shitcoin.
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Walker America
Please don't.
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Rockstar Dev
And when you have consumed enough materials, come join us at some bitcoin event. You know, the bitcoin conference is, you know, too big, too crowded. Come to Bitblock. Boom. Come to what? What's your favorite conference?
- [40:35]
Walker America
Boy, you know, honestly, I think perhaps the, the. It holds a special spot in my heart, but Unconfiscatable was the first bitcoin conference I went to back in, in 22. Yeah. Shout out to Tone Vase, who brought us, Carl and I there to host the Scammy Awards, which was amazing.
- [40:51]
Rockstar Dev
We just got phenomenal.
- [40:52]
Walker America
We just got to all over shitcoiners. It was, it was incredible. But, but that was, but that, that is a. It is great advice, like to come to a bitcoin conference, meet people in person and who knows, if you're, if you're working in the FIAT world and you're trying to. You're not feeling fulfilled there. There are a lot of bitcoin companies now and you are. And there are a lot of shitcoin companies too, but you can find a lot of pure bitcoin companies. There's somebody Who?
- [41:14]
Rockstar Dev
There is Strike Booth right across us. And if you really don't have anyone to come to find uncle, come to Uncle. I will connect you. And BTC Prague is next month, so people in Europe. I'll be at BTC Prague. You're coming or no?
- [41:31]
Walker America
I wish I could. I wish I could.
- [41:33]
Rockstar Dev
I gotta talk with Martin and Matthias. We gotta have you.
- [41:37]
Walker America
We'll see. Maybe.
- [41:38]
Rockstar Dev
We'll see.
- [41:38]
Walker America
Maybe we can make an impromptu.
- [41:39]
Rockstar Dev
So you're. You're. Oh, he's the biggest star. He was invited, but he was like, no, I can't go. Rockster is going.
- [41:45]
Walker America
Well, if you're gonna be there. Okay, we'll leave with this because we didn't mention it at all, but people can find you on. On X, but they can also find you on Noster, preferably. Yeah, I think they can probably just go to. I'm guessing primal.net rockstar, if I had to guess. Exactly, you can find me there. Primal.net Walker.
- [42:03]
Rockstar Dev
There we go.
- [42:04]
Walker America
You can search for us, Rockstar developer. You can search for Walker America. Find us out there on the interwebs. And then I never know which camera to look at. I'm such a bad. Look at this one and just say, you know, bitcoin is scarce, but podcasts are abundant. So thank you for spending your scarce time to listen to Uncle Rockstar and I on this little impromptu bitcoin podcast. Uncle. Thank you.
- [42:28]
Rockstar Dev
Let's go.
- [42:28]
Walker America
It's been a pleasure. We should probably take one more selfie in our cool headsets while we're still on stream. Shoot.
- [42:33]
Rockstar Dev
And a present for you.
- [42:35]
Walker America
Oh, amazing.
- [42:36]
Rockstar Dev
So we're going to pay with bitcoin.
- [42:38]
Walker America
I love it. I love it.
- [42:40]
Rockstar Dev
Let's go. Let's pay with bitcoin.
- [42:42]
Walker America
We're going to go pay with bitcoin now, guys. Thank you all for joining us. I don't know who to give this headset to.
- [42:47]
Rockstar Dev
We just leave it?
- [42:48]
Walker America
Do we just leave it here? Cheers, guys.
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