Derek Ross (2:47)

There was shrinkage. I was in the pool.

Walker (2:50)

I swear. It's not usually this small. We are. I think we are live.

Carla (2:59)

Does it even matter if there's no audience?

Derek Ross (3:02)

Oh, no, we're still.

Walker (3:03)

Oh, there will be. Titcoin talk. Derek Tatum.

Derek Ross (3:09)

I gotta share this out on the Walker on the no stir.

Carla (3:12)

My husband's a podcaster and I've never done this.

Tatum Turnup (3:17)

I love Zap Stream. I've been doing Minecraft and DJ sets.

Walker (3:22)

Really?

Carla (3:24)

That's awesome.

Tatum Turnup (3:24)

Yeah, it's been fun.

Carla (3:27)

I think I saw the Minecraft, which was neat.

Tatum Turnup (3:30)

I spent like, 20 minutes trying to get two cows to go into a single block hole, and it should have taken me, like, two seconds. And I finally did it, and then I got stuck and they got out, and so it was. I had that clip somewhere floating around. Nasser's great.

Walker (3:50)

I have a. I have a confession make. I've never played Minecraft.

Carla (3:52)

I haven't either.

Tatum Turnup (3:53)

Dude, you definitely need to get it. I have a server now, so we can. We can create a village in a.

Derek Ross (4:03)

Few times with my son a couple years ago when he got into Minecraft, and I hated it. Like, dude, I don't understand it, man. I want to run around and, like, shoot people and like, like, okay, they.

Tatum Turnup (4:16)

Someone made a mod that has guns. So it's literally Minecraft, but.

Derek Ross (4:23)

I don't know, man. I can't do it. I played with them a little bit, and then when my daughter was playing, I played with her a little bit. But once my dad duties were over, I put Minecraft away and never went back.

Tatum Turnup (4:34)

Like, I love it.

Derek Ross (4:35)

Ah, run around and shoot cows with you or something.

Tatum Turnup (4:41)

I got it. I got to get that mod back.

Walker (4:44)

Yeah. Wait, did you guys ever play the Orange Mart Rust?

Tatum Turnup (4:48)

No, I never played it.

Carla (4:49)

I played that for a little bit. It was, like, really hard.

Walker (4:53)

It was pretty dope. I'm not gonna lie.

Carla (4:55)

I didn't have a high and, like, strong enough computer either. So the performance was absolutely dog shit. It was so laggy and, like, Tip was trying to lead me through it to, like, get basic clothes, and I'm like, I am. I'm glitching.

Walker (5:07)

But there was a lot of shooting involved, Derek, for, you know. Oh, yeah. But also, like. But also Bitcoin, so that was neat.

Derek Ross (5:16)

Yeah, I mean, I'M not opposed to other, like, to playing non FPS games.

Tatum Turnup (5:20)

I'll.

Derek Ross (5:21)

I played World of Warcraft for way too many years. Almost got divorced. You know.

Walker (5:28)

I can't tell if you're kidding.

Derek Ross (5:29)

I mean, it. I mean, she didn't like me playing for a decade. I played a lot. I played a lot. I was like, probably. Katie likes to say it was, like, the worst mistake she ever made was getting that game for me for Christmas, like, in 2005.

Walker (5:43)

So she got it for you, though. So she is.

Tatum Turnup (5:46)

Yes. Yeah.

Derek Ross (5:48)

She just didn't know it was gonna turn into a second job for the next 10 years of our lives. Like.

Tatum Turnup (5:55)

I. I played TC Pokemon trading card game for a while and, like. But I was, like, in college, like, playing it in real life, and I told my friends that I had a meeting to go to every Saturday, and it was just me going to the card shop, and then they found out and they made fun of me, so.

Walker (6:14)

Oh, no, wait. I'm gonna try to. Apparently, I was just informed in the live stream that neither of us are actually in the video frame right now, so I'm gonna see if I can.

Tatum Turnup (6:23)

Yeah, I had to. I had to adjust it on mine.

Walker (6:26)

Let me see. Hold on. There's got. See, you guys. This is. I'm very, like, out of myself. Is not a live stream.

Derek Ross (6:33)

Half of Walker's face is cut off. We can see all carless. That's all that matters. Like, we got the better of the two right here.

Walker (6:38)

Like, let's be honest.

Derek Ross (6:39)

Yeah, yeah, let's. Let's be honest. This is why we're all here. Right?

Walker (6:43)

All right, we're going to. Look.

Derek Ross (6:45)

It's the orange. The orange hair. It just pulls you in. Oh, there you go.

Tatum Turnup (6:50)

Okay. Yeah. I thought there was a. Yeah.

Walker (6:53)

See, guys, I'm a podcaster. I know things. I can do all the stuff. Yeah, just like. Just like the real podcasters.

Derek Ross (7:01)

You even have, like, a. A real studio backdrop. I need to get one of those. So you don't see my office. Like, I need that.

Carla (7:08)

You don't want to see the rest of this basement.

Walker (7:12)

We are in the basement right now.

Carla (7:13)

There's a giant teddy bear. There's like, a dog.

Walker (7:16)

Like. Yeah, well, there's a. It's a. Like, the teddy bear is fake. The dog is. He's. He's alive. Like, he's a real dog. He's right over there. He's chilling. He's a wiener dog.

Derek Ross (7:23)

My lab might come in to join. He likes to participate from time to time. So I don't have a backdrop. Oh, dude, he's great.

Carla (7:31)

So everyone here, cheers.

Derek Ross (7:33)

Absolutely.

Walker (7:33)

Cheers, guys.

Derek Ross (7:34)

Now, this is not the Miller Light. This is Sierra Nevada's Oktoberfest.

Carla (7:40)

Ooh.

Walker (7:41)

It is a man of taste. You're fancy, Gutman.

Derek Ross (7:45)

It's a collab. They do a collaboration every year with a German brewery, and this year is Gutman. Probably saying that very badly, but Gutman.

Tatum Turnup (7:54)

I'm drinking a Colorado Mountain water. However, Walker, you're an idiot, cuz. I got a Miller latte just for you, too.

Walker (8:06)

Oh, boy. I've got. I've got. Let's see. I've got seven of them underneath the desk. Just in case.

Derek Ross (8:15)

I was literally gonna go to the store. It's like, not even. It's like two minutes away. Two at once. Oh, man. Oh, wow. I like it.

Walker (8:23)

Well, this one's a Friday. This one's done on the next sip. So, like, you know, I just wanted to be ready.

Derek Ross (8:28)

I haven't seen Tatum do that since Miami Tatum came out a couple years ago.

Tatum Turnup (8:31)

Miami Tatum is a different breed. God, I forgot about.

Walker (8:39)

Can you guys hear that?

Tatum Turnup (8:41)

Yes.

Walker (8:41)

Making sure. Does that air horn come through? Okay.

Derek Ross (8:43)

Does that mean we drink? Is that the sound of drink?

Carla (8:46)

Like, I have one glass. I'm gonna run out.

Walker (8:50)

There we go. Cheers.

Carla (8:52)

Cheers.

Tatum Turnup (8:54)

Is that a Go xlr? Are you using a GOXLR soundboard?

Walker (8:59)

I'm using a Rodecaster Pro 2, so it has, like. It's not probably as performant as whatever one you just mentioned, which. What, the Go Go.

Tatum Turnup (9:11)

Whatever Go xlr?

Walker (9:13)

Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (9:13)

That's pretty cool. You should look that up, because there's a lot. There's a lot that you can do with that, aside from just, like, soundboard stuff.

Carla (9:19)

But send me a list, and it'll be a Christmas gift. Just tell me all they said you.

Walker (9:25)

I told Carla that I wanted us each to get each other guns for Christmas.

Carla (9:30)

Like, we already have guns. Like, that's so boring.

Walker (9:32)

But I. I thought I was like, you can't have too many guns, right?

Derek Ross (9:36)

Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (9:36)

Hey, Jamie, pull this up. I don't know if y'all have ever seen the dessert Eagle. It's not a Desert Eagle, but it's a pistol that. I can't remember what kind it is, but it looks like a donut. Like a glazed donut with sprinkles on it. And it's, like, pink, and I want it so bad.

Walker (9:57)

I'm going to pull this up right now.

Carla (9:59)

That is cute.

Walker (10:00)

Is this real?

Tatum Turnup (10:02)

Couple people that make like. I mean, it's 3D printed gun? No, I think it's like a. Just a dip or something that they do or customize the slide or something like that. But I want one very badly because that's.

Walker (10:15)

I'm gonna pull this up for folks. I don't have a Jamie. It's just me. But, you know, what about a Carl?

Derek Ross (10:24)

What happened to Carl?

Tatum Turnup (10:26)

I hadn't heard from Carl in a minute. I need to hit him up.

Walker (10:29)

I thought you were talking about.

Carla (10:30)

I know. That's my nickname. College. So every time someone says Carl, I'm.

Walker (10:33)

Like, what is this one you were thinking of, Tatum?

Tatum Turnup (10:37)

Yeah, it looks pretty much like that. Yeah. Yeah, I want that very bad, it looks like, for tonight, but real life. Yeah, it's like, I kind of dig it. Do I have a gun? Yes, very obviously I do.

Walker (10:49)

It's. It's also delicious, so, you know, just.

Tatum Turnup (10:52)

Take a bite out of it.

Walker (10:54)

Take a tasty little bite.

Tatum Turnup (10:56)

Eric Andre did that on a show once. He was like. He, like, pulled out a gun. It was like, pointing it, and his guest was like, what are you doing? He's like, can you believe that? They're just, like, selling this to kids. And then he, like, puts it in his mouth. They're like, what are you doing? And he just bites off it. It was chocolate.

Carla (11:13)

Is it cake?

Derek Ross (11:15)

That's oddly hilarious, dude.

Walker (11:18)

The. The cake, like, normal objects being cake has gone maybe a little bit too far. I think, like, it. It might need to be stopped. I feel like it's like, it's. It's a glitch in the matrix.

Carla (11:30)

Come stop it.

Walker (11:31)

Maybe. Maybe the game should feel like I'm.

Derek Ross (11:33)

Pretty form a coalition.

Tatum Turnup (11:37)

Anti cake, But I think I'm pretty good at identifying which one is cake.

Walker (11:46)

Are you, though?

Carla (11:47)

Maybe I tried to make. When we, like, watched some of that, we've tried to make a block clock out of cake, and it's so hard.

Derek Ross (11:55)

Okay. Yeah, that would be fun.

Carla (11:56)

It's so hard.

Walker (11:57)

It looked okay, but, like, it was pretty obvious that, like. Yeah.

Carla (12:00)

That we spent, like, a day on it.

Walker (12:02)

Like, that's cake. I think we even made a video about it, actually. We did.

Carla (12:06)

We did. We did, like, an Is it Cake? And, like, he tried to smash, like, a regular block clock. And then it was like, the very obviously cake one because it was terrible.

Walker (12:15)

It looked really good.

Carla (12:16)

Which one is it?

Walker (12:16)

Yeah, it was. We are not cut out for the Is it cake? Cake making business.

Carla (12:22)

But, like, we tried. We have a. What WTF is on Derek's face? So, Derek, would you like to explain.

Derek Ross (12:27)

Yeah, it's corn time.

Carla (12:32)

It's car time. Like, there you have it, folks.

Derek Ross (12:42)

Yeah, yeah. You know, it's like. Like. Like set the stage, right? Like, there's like a wall of. A wall of money. It's like the Federal Reserve and the corn man, he busts through it like. Like, he goes, oh, yeah, it's corn time.

Carla (13:06)

I think we have to make that happen.

Tatum Turnup (13:11)

Oh, my God. Just. Just. I wasn't expecting that at all. Just hear Derek Ross yell, it's corn time.

Uncle Rockstar (13:18)

Was great.

Derek Ross (13:19)

Oh, it's hot under here, though. That's. That's what it is.

Walker (13:21)

I can imagine. You know, I recently tried on, you know, those inflatable T. Rex costumes that you can. You can wear. Like.

Carla (13:31)

Yeah, I bought one for Walker and he wouldn't wear it. Man, it's too hot.

Walker (13:35)

It's hot in there. I run hot, too. Like, I'm. I'm very high temperature male. And it was. It's a thing. Okay. I run hot. Like, you know, and sometimes I could not handle it. Like, I couldn't handle it. So I was just. I dressed in a garbage bag.

Derek Ross (13:54)

I saw a couple of those last night. Kids dressed up as, like, little T. Rex. But then I saw there was this little kid. He was a massive, like, King Kong gorilla. He was really cute. He was going around. He's like. He's like, don't stare directly at him. He'll think you want to fight and he'll charge you. It was pretty cute.

Walker (14:10)

That's hilarious.

Tatum Turnup (14:11)

Yeah, I saw. I saw a video. There's a girl that had one of those costumes. There's like, a chicken or something, and she was, like, crying, and someone asked her what was wrong. She's like, I farted. I never thought about that. That part of it. But, yeah, that. That would suck.

Walker (14:33)

Yeah.

Carla (14:34)

What are you gonna do? Take off the costume?

Walker (14:36)

Just to air it out a little bit.

Carla (14:38)

It's like, no, there's too much work going in.

Walker (14:41)

Oh, God, that's gnarly, though, man. Like, I miss our chickens. We talk about this a lot. So we had. During the pandemic, we were in Bumble, and we were raising chickens, and it was the best, man.

Carla (14:52)

We had three generations.

Walker (14:53)

Yeah, we had multiple. They were. They were wonderful. They were all brutally murdered by raccoons.

Carla (14:58)

Does anyone know this story? Because it's actually kind of a funny story. I mean, it's not funny. Okay, wait. Oh, sorry. Can I tell the story of when you told me?

Walker (15:05)

Yeah, we should probably tell these chickens for years and eggs every day, we.

Carla (15:10)

Were working on our Lord of the Rings video, and Walker, like, you know, we shoot individual characters independently. So Walker's like, oh, I need to go get an ax for Gimli, like, from the garage.

Walker (15:21)

So I'm like, you obviously need an axe.

Carla (15:23)

So, like, I'm just, like, chugging away, editing at my computer. And all of a sudden, Walker comes in, and he's just, like, silent, and his face is, like, red, and I'm like. And, like, it was really hot summer days. I mean, this is not, I guess, an. Oh, it's kind of a funny detail. I just, like, wasn't wearing a shirt because it was, like, very hot.

Walker (15:38)

It was the middle. She was topless a lot.

Carla (15:40)

We didn't have ac.

Walker (15:42)

Yeah.

Carla (15:42)

So Walker's like, the chickens are dead. I was like, what? He's like, the chickens, they're all dead. And I was like, excuse me? And I was like, no, no, no. And I run out there, like, literally almost naked, and I just fall on my knees seeing them all decapitated. I just scream at the sky because it was years of our life. Like, we were cleaning the gunk out of their eyes. Like, we did everything for those girls. When we had to travel, we would come to Chicago with the chickens in our trunk.

Walker (16:11)

We would. We would travel literally with. With a trunk.

Carla (16:14)

They were our friends.

Walker (16:16)

My favorite was probably Fluffy. She was. Boy. She was so.

Carla (16:19)

And then I just was sobbing in the grass.

Walker (16:22)

Yeah, no, it was pretty.

Carla (16:23)

It was an emotional time.

Walker (16:24)

It was genuinely pretty brutal. So, like, we had. If. If you're not familiar with chicken husbandry, you may not know that, like, everything is trying to eat your chickens. Like, literally everything wants to kill and eat your chickens.

Carla (16:35)

He reinforced that coop so many times.

Walker (16:37)

We had, like, straight up, you know, like, chain. Chain link fence. Like, heavy duty. I had fucking shit drilled into the ground as well, like, metal. I had the entire coop surrounded with rocks.

Carla (16:47)

We had a garden, too. But, like, honestly, so much respect for anyone who grows their own food who, like, tends to their own animals. It is so hard. Anytime you fix one pest, another one comes around.

Tatum Turnup (16:57)

Like, oh, if it was raccoons, though. I've heard of that. I've heard about that because. Do those look like. Those look like ladybugs, right?

Walker (17:08)

They look okay. Those are Asian beetles. There's Asian beetles, then there's Japanese beetles.

Tatum Turnup (17:14)

Okay. Okay.

Walker (17:15)

So as I'm. Jamie, can you pull this up? I'll pull up these Japanese, or Jamie will. But in the meantime. So raccoons, I think, were. It was like, a combination of, like, killing between raccoons and probably a weasel because there was a whole family of raccoons. Like, we had a trail cam, and. Yeah, so I had a trail cam that was. Watched them.

Carla (17:38)

And so we watched the murder.

Walker (17:40)

Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I don't think that a wee or a raccoon could have gotten under the tiny hole they were able to get. Like, the raccoons couldn't get in there. But a weasel, man, they. They're. They're like that thin. But both weasels and raccoons are what's known as wanton killers. So, like, most animals won't kill for sport.

Carla (18:02)

They didn't even eat them. There's a crazy. Just decapitated up. So Walker is literally. I'm just standing there watching, like, while Walker has them by the legs and is just taking them into the woods. It was a very dark scene. And then we actually went back and finished recording the video.

Tatum Turnup (18:18)

I was gonna ask if y'all, like, still recording after that.

Carla (18:21)

Like, my scenes were done, because I have two on my face.

Walker (18:24)

The girls would want us to finish.

Derek Ross (18:26)

Exactly.

Walker (18:27)

They know people need this video. So these are.

Tatum Turnup (18:30)

Yeah, that is beetle.

Walker (18:32)

So Japanese beetles. If you ever pro tip for anyone out there who finds themselves with a Japanese beetle infestation. Yeah, they ate. We had a bunch of bok choy planted. They ate the. Out of it, I guess, because they're Japanese beetles, like, you know, because bok choy get it. Guys, hold on. Wait. Wait for it. Wait for it.

Carla (18:50)

Right now, man.

Walker (18:55)

Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (18:56)

All right, guys. Thanks for having me. It was really good to come on, but it's.

Walker (18:59)

It's a. It's a sad trombone sound effect. I've only got a few of them programmed on here, guys. But, yeah, you can go on Amazon. You know how, like, some, like, insect traps you get just don't work for you. Go on Amazon and get a Japanese beetle trap. And if you have Japanese beetles, you will literally get thousands and thousands of them in these bags. They just come for them. And we fed him to the chickens. The girls loved them.

Derek Ross (19:20)

My chickens were dead. A couple years ago. He had Japanese beetle infestation in his yard where the, like, the grubs were. The beetles, when they were grubs, they were eating all of the roots of his grass and where you could literally, like, grab the grass and, like, pull it up. It wasn't attached anymore. The roots were all gone. So he got these, like, beetle traps, and, oh, they were filled. It was so many of them. It was wild.

Walker (19:45)

And they had everything we Had a.

Tatum Turnup (19:49)

Bad fly problem at our warehouse a while back. And we got some of those. Those open traps that, like, they fly into, but they can't get out. And we were just like, maybe this will work, maybe it won't. And I'm telling you, after one day, that thing was full of dead flies. Like, I'm talking. It was heavy. Like, it was heavy to pick up because there were so many dead flies. And I was like this. I. I hate this a lot. I. I'm gonna throw up and die.

Walker (20:17)

Get yourself some chickens. They will love them.

Carla (20:20)

See, this is the dialogue bitcoiners need.

Walker (20:22)

It really is.

Derek Ross (20:23)

Talking about bugs and chickens.

Uncle Rockstar (20:25)

Yeah.

Derek Ross (20:27)

Feed.

Walker (20:27)

I. I see we have.

Carla (20:29)

I see Talk about bitcoin too much. Well, not us.

Walker (20:31)

I see we have lightning goats in the.

Derek Ross (20:34)

In the chat the other day. Carla yesterday.

Carla (20:38)

I did. I did. And I. I do understand that.

Derek Ross (20:42)

Oh, yeah.

Carla (20:43)

Like, that's why I'm not Carla. Bitcoin on Noster. Like, I actually have nothing about bitcoin in my bio in my name, just because I am trying to.

Tatum Turnup (20:52)

I don't talk about bitcoin either.

Walker (20:55)

I don't have a bitcoin podcast, that's for sure.

Carla (20:57)

Yeah, I actually am making an effort.

Walker (21:00)

There it is.

Tatum Turnup (21:01)

I don't. I don't. Yeah, I don't. I've never. I. I don't. I don't even like bitcoin.

Carla (21:05)

It was a shame. I actually don't do bitcoin stuff anymore anyway. Like, it's actually true.

Derek Ross (21:10)

It was a shame. This. This dude joins, says, hey, I'm a creator. I make these. These cool fractal arts and everything. And then the second post was, hey, I see a lot of bitcoin talk. Is Noster early for bitcoiners? And then in the course of like, three or four hours, they just deleted. They deleted their, like, uninstalled. Dumbest. Deleted their profile. Like, they're done delete it though.

Walker (21:34)

Like, can.

Tatum Turnup (21:35)

No, it just. It depends on the client, I'm pretty sure. And it'll. You have the option. And then there was that NVK proof button that was put in because, hey, like, nobody.

Derek Ross (21:49)

Yeah, it'll say nobody. And account deleted. So they uninstalled. Hit the account delete button in Thomas and they. They pieced out. So they're not. They're not around anymore. I'll do lightning goats and lightning chickens are cool. Have you guys done paid them and fed them?

Tatum Turnup (22:04)

No, I haven't seen this at all. This is. What is it just. Is it just a stream of dude.

Derek Ross (22:12)

How do you literally zap this profile on Noster? And once it reaches the amount that it needs to reach, you can watch the three come down and you can feed them. Yeah, yeah.

Walker (22:25)

Lightning Goats is in the chat right now. He came on. He came on another fucking bitcoin podcast recently. Had a great chat, and. Yeah. So, Tatum, I highly recommend you listen to that episode of Tick Coin to educate yourself about this, but we're going to zap some goats right now. Here.

Tatum Turnup (22:42)

I'm just going to pull this up after this and just watch. Watch these goats for hours on end.

Walker (22:49)

Oh, goats are awesome.

Carla (22:51)

I love it. It's a fun.

Tatum Turnup (22:56)

Do you think goats are the only mammal with a rectangular pupil?

Derek Ross (23:00)

Oh, I thought we were in a.

Walker (23:01)

Different direction with that.

Derek Ross (23:02)

Yeah, I'll take your word for it.

Carla (23:06)

How do you know? Yes.

Derek Ross (23:09)

Look at him.

Tatum Turnup (23:10)

That was awesome. That was so sick.

Carla (23:13)

There's got to be a limit, because will they stop eating or, like, did they overfeed?

Derek Ross (23:17)

Well, I think I saw one day that he upped the amount that it cost to feed them because he didn't want to overfeed them. I think I saw.

Carla (23:25)

Oh, that's smart, dude.

Tatum Turnup (23:27)

I'm going to show my parents this later. It's going to be awesome. And then. Oh, hey, hey, hey, hey. There's enough to go around. Stop fighting.

Walker (23:36)

They get after it, too.

Carla (23:38)

But no, this is like difficulty adjustment.

Tatum Turnup (23:43)

Every two weeks or take one away.

Carla (23:47)

That wasn't.

Derek Ross (23:48)

And that's depending on the price. You know bitcoin, right? Like, if it. If it goes credit with credit is due. Might be zapping more sats they got.

Carla (23:56)

I see you chat.

Derek Ross (23:57)

That's great.

Walker (23:58)

But I like chat. Oh, yeah, well, just go to. Just go to sunglasses. I'll be honest.

Tatum Turnup (24:06)

Let me do that, man.

Walker (24:08)

But I could just. I could watch these goats all day.

Carla (24:10)

Men who stare at goats, indeed.

Walker (24:14)

I haven't actually seen it.

Derek Ross (24:15)

I haven't seen that movie in a long time.

Carla (24:16)

Not in theaters.

Walker (24:17)

Oh, well, okay.

Tatum Turnup (24:21)

Okay. So I just saw. The first thing in chat I saw is Tatum is about to fatten up, and I was like, hey, hold on. Okay, never mind. Yeah, yeah, we're good. We're good.

Walker (24:30)

Yeah. Oh, it almost got a little. Little aggressive. If you. If you could have one animal as a pet, you can't say goat because we're looking at goats. If you could have one animal as a pet, what would it be? You also can't say dogs or cats or any normal boring animal. It has to be some kind of, like, random animal.

Derek Ross (24:48)

Random Animal, I guess.

Walker (24:50)

Okay. I'm just not a standard pet animal is a duck.

Derek Ross (24:54)

How about a. How about like a macaw? I think that'd be badass. He could be, like, on my shoulder right now. Be like cornstarch, like, as we're sitting here. Like, that would be great.

Walker (25:04)

That would be pretty sick. Okay, Tatum, what about you? All right, I'll tell you mine. Yeah. What's a cool pet that I should say chat. GPT if I'm on a podcast.

Tatum Turnup (25:18)

Hold on one second, guys. I'll have my answer. And just actually, honestly, I think it would be really cool to have a black panther. That's my favorite animal. And if I were to be able to. Yeah, if I were to be able to train it, that would be. That would be sick.

Derek Ross (25:31)

What would you train it to do?

Tatum Turnup (25:34)

Kill my enemies, obviously.

Derek Ross (25:36)

Besides that, though.

Tatum Turnup (25:38)

Oh, that's fair. That's all really one one mode.

Derek Ross (25:44)

Murder kitty.

Tatum Turnup (25:44)

Yeah, it cuddles until I give it its trigger word, which I'd make like, like poo, poo, peepee or something like that. And then it's like, I'm about to kill.

Walker (25:57)

Okay. Why? Poo, poo, pee, pee. Also, that's strange trickery.

Tatum Turnup (26:02)

A random word that pops in my head.

Derek Ross (26:04)

First word.

Carla (26:05)

Can I find out more about this bitcoin thing? I don't know if they're serious or kidding. I'm guessing kidding. If they're here. I mean, I never know.

Derek Ross (26:12)

Yeah, if you're. Yeah, if they're on screen, they're probably kidding.

Tatum Turnup (26:16)

Yeah, I can't.

Carla (26:17)

I'm just opening up the floor, man.

Walker (26:20)

And, Tatum, thank you for asking. My non standard pet would be a domesticated Russian silver fox.

Carla (26:27)

I would have never guessed he was obsessed with this. In college, he, like, actually tried to get one.

Walker (26:31)

I emailed the director of the Russian Academy of Sciences. I was pretty drunk, but his name was Nikolai. Typical, you know, shocking Russian name. He never emailed me back, but I told him I was like, it would be wonderful if I could have a Russian silver fox. I see that you're domesticating them. I'd like to name mine Jacqueline. I thought it was a sick fox name. He never got back to me, though. So I'm still waiting on that email. I know.

Derek Ross (26:57)

You should follow up, like, hey, it's been 15 years, per my last email. Yeah, per my last email.

Walker (27:05)

Kind remind.

Derek Ross (27:06)

Hey, did you get that email?

Carla (27:09)

Russia? I think he has bigger fish to fry right now.

Walker (27:13)

The guy just. He's been domesticating. Okay, this is actually pretty interesting. It's like when you domesticate foxes, they develop more dog like features. So like their tails get like bushier, their ears get longer, their snouts get like. And they get cuter too. Right? And they. Because they breed them for docility and those traits tend to coincide with those other genetic traits. Tatum, I see we have a hand raised.

Tatum Turnup (27:37)

Hey, Walker, longtime listener, first time caller. Have you seen that video of the fox that was raised with the dog and tried to learn how to bark but it couldn't bark? It just goes. Funniest thing I've ever seen. But it's also adorable too.

Walker (27:55)

I actually don't think I've seen that. I'm gonna have to add that I.

Derek Ross (27:58)

Made a music video about that. I think it was called what does the Fox say?

Tatum Turnup (28:02)

Oh, shut up, Derek. Don't bring that back. Don't bring that back.

Derek Ross (28:06)

There may be a video of me and my very small children singing and dancing to this song.

Tatum Turnup (28:12)

It's pretty surprised me actually. I don't know why. I mean, I think it's because I know that you like us three or us four. Sorry, I just saw three windows. Not trying to count anyone else. Not trying to count anyone else.

Walker (28:27)

Are you erasing women? Women, Tayden. It's because that's what it kind of feels like.

Tatum Turnup (28:33)

Holy cow. This is. I.

Walker (28:36)

Never mind.

Tatum Turnup (28:37)

I don't know.

Derek Ross (28:38)

I'll save you segue. Carlo, what would be your favorite animal to to own?

Carla (28:44)

I don't want anything. I have enough on my plate.

Derek Ross (28:48)

All right, that sounds like cheating, but okay, fine.

Carla (28:51)

A unicorn.

Walker (28:54)

Fun fact, the unicorn is the national animal of Scotland.

Uncle Rockstar (28:58)

Haha.

Tatum Turnup (29:00)

Unicorn actually got me in first place in trivia last week.

Walker (29:05)

Okay.

Carla (29:05)

Actually if I would, I would have eels. Like the really. The eels that are really expensive that people buy. I would breed eels.

Walker (29:13)

There's actually like a huge black market eel trade market.

Carla (29:16)

Like billions of dollars an eel trading.

Walker (29:18)

Yeah.

Derek Ross (29:18)

What are they using for besides sushi?

Carla (29:21)

They eat it.

Walker (29:22)

Yeah, that's. That's. Oh, that's it. Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (29:24)

Okay. Are they like protected species or something or is it just like a huge.

Carla (29:30)

Only be like they're only found and only spawn in the Marianas Trench?

Walker (29:35)

No, it's the Bermuda Triangle.

Carla (29:36)

Oh, I'm sorry.

Walker (29:37)

So you. It was like not until like two years ago that we figured out how eels breed. Like the actual. Like where do they go? How do they do it?

Carla (29:45)

Pretty crazy.

Walker (29:46)

And then they found out they're like. Oh, all the eels just go to the Bermuda Triangle to breed for whatever.

Carla (29:52)

Reason is for sexy time. Yep.

Walker (29:56)

I'm going to tell chat. GPT fun facts about eels.

Carla (29:59)

So, yeah, I don't know if eels actually counts by any means with this.

Derek Ross (30:03)

Question, but eels, you know, that's not a pet that the average person would own. So I think that counts. I like it.

Carla (30:08)

And I would make it into a business because, like, you know, I could use the cash flow.

Tatum Turnup (30:13)

Passive income.

Derek Ross (30:14)

Yeah.

Carla (30:14)

Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (30:15)

Feels a little active, but on the.

Walker (30:17)

Black market or like the shopster.

Derek Ross (30:21)

Shopster.

Walker (30:22)

There you go.

Tatum Turnup (30:23)

Yeah.

Walker (30:23)

Open shout out.

Tatum Turnup (30:26)

Man, I. I was pretty depressed whenever I figured out the intricacies of salmon's life cycle and what their purpose in life is. That was real sad and also disgusting to learn about.

Derek Ross (30:39)

To swim upstream and bang. And.

Tatum Turnup (30:41)

Yeah. Huh.

Carla (30:46)

Like just how net. Like the natural life of salmon.

Tatum Turnup (30:50)

Yeah. They. The males literally exist to spread their seed and then they die.

Carla (30:57)

Check.

Walker (30:58)

Sounds like life.

Tatum Turnup (31:02)

Matters. Simple creatures to that, brother. I hate my life.

Carla (31:11)

Does this, like, go anywhere else or is this just live. Does this get published somewhere?

Walker (31:17)

I'm putting this on my RSS feed. Yeah. So it will be. It will be available everywhere. But really, you guys, this is. And I want to maybe. Let's take a step back and set the tone here. Thank you.

Derek Ross (31:28)

Serious for a moment. Okay.

Walker (31:30)

Not for like, two seconds. Thank you for everyone joining. The reason that I am only streaming live, which I never wanted to livestream, but I was like, well, I can do it on noster, so. Fuck YouTube. Fuck livestreaming on X or Rumble or anywhere else. I'm only ever going to livestream the show on Noster and Noster. Show of hands from you guys. Do you guys both say Noster or Noster?

Tatum Turnup (31:54)

Noster.

Carla (31:55)

I'm a convertible.

Walker (31:58)

It is a secondary question. Do you say hodl or Hodl.

Carla (32:03)

Hodle unless it's American Hodl.

Tatum Turnup (32:07)

Well, that's the thing, though. That's the thing. You can't say American hodl and then say hodl later on.

Walker (32:14)

How do you say the word hold? Do you say hauled? Do you hold?

Tatum Turnup (32:18)

Are there two D's in the word logic? Walker? Listen, listen. Stop, stop.

Walker (32:25)

I. I won't. I won't. But anyway, yeah, you see, the seriousness lasted exactly two seconds, but yeah, well, that's the thing. It is pretty awesome that we have, like, tools like zap, stream, shout out to Kieran or Kieran. I'm not exactly sure how I'm supposed to pronounce it in the traditional way, but he's awesome. And, like, the fact that I can do this very easily for somebody who is a live streaming newbie, like, I'm not, you know, I'm not the. I'm not BTC sessions or simply Bitcoin out here with. With their cool hair and stuff like that. You know, that I think helps with live streaming.

Tatum Turnup (33:00)

You act like I hadn't been live streaming for a decade.

Derek Ross (33:04)

Present company excluded, obviously.

Walker (33:06)

Oh, actually, Tatum, we get it. You were. You knew about Live Stream before. It was cool. Like, you were super into that band. Live Stream, but nobody saw your beer.

Tatum Turnup (33:14)

But I didn't. Yeah, but I didn't get picked up, like, by the. I didn't win is the thing. Like, I. There's that select few people of Twitch who, like, exploded and then everyone else that came in after that was just like, oh, sorry.

Walker (33:32)

I never once used it.

Derek Ross (33:33)

You had a one J. Dorsey on your. On your stream.

Walker (33:41)

Best part of that. Best part of that, Tatum, was when you. You dropped like the. The intro with him.

Derek Ross (33:47)

Oh, yeah, you're awesome. That was good.

Tatum Turnup (33:54)

Yeah, I fumbled the bag there.

Derek Ross (33:56)

That was kind of like your peak, right? You went downhill after that, right?

Tatum Turnup (34:01)

A lot happened. But you're. You're very right. You're very right. But I did just announce. Here comes the shameless plug. I did just announce that I am releasing. Starting on season two, I am going to release all the episodes of between two Asics I still have in the vault, but I learned a lot. And now it's going to be a lot different with season two and. But it's not going to be original. I'm still going to be ripping off another show and this time it's going to be the Eric Andre show, so.

Derek Ross (34:34)

Oh, okay. Well, stay on the theme there.

Walker (34:38)

You know, I tried to do the crickets, but then Derek was talking, so the crickets didn't really work that well. So. Yes.

Derek Ross (34:48)

You guys, you gotta send me, like, a private message on Tatum here. Don't interrupt.

Walker (34:53)

Like, I really should have. Yeah, that was my bad, honestly. But Tatum, honestly, like, I. I loved your show and yes, sure, it was entirely derivative, a complete ripoff. That was good, though. His word is not mine, but it was fucking good. Like, it was hilarious. What was your favorite episode that you did?

Tatum Turnup (35:14)

So it was either I have a trouble picking out one, but probably tied for first was the first Peter McCormick one and Jack Dorsey, because, like Peter, both of them, the key feature with them was that after we got done recording, I thought that I legitimately upset them. And like, Peter walked off Offset. I was at his Airbnb in Miami where he was recording what Bitcoin did. And so, like, there's like, guests, like, cycling through. And he just let me pop in here and do this. And he, like, walks off, and I was like, oh. And so, like, the. The camera cuts, and I was like, hey, I'm sorry. That was, like, too much. If this wasn't what you thought. And he goes, oh, no, bro. That was hilarious. And I was like, yes, okay, sweet. That was perfect then. And same thing with Jack. I was like, he had no idea what he was getting into. But then he was like, no, this is great. I was like, okay, cool. But they both understood the assignment 100.

Walker (36:16)

I mean, Jack was quite, like, hilarious. The point I will always remember is when he's like, why aren't the Asics on? Like, you know, shouldn't. Shouldn't they be making noise right now? I died.

Tatum Turnup (36:30)

He said. Whenever. He said, I only agreed to this if we could be. If the Asics would be on. That was actually serious. He did DM me and say, I'll only do it if they're on. And I was like, okay, I'll figure that out.

Walker (36:43)

Just, like, walk off, you know? He's like, no, I'm sorry. I said terms like, I gave you my rider. Like that. That was in there. The Asics must be on. I'm out.

Carla (36:51)

Some people have a.

Tatum Turnup (36:52)

Another good one that. Another good one I enjoyed was BTC sessions, because I actually had, like, called him to talk about it and, like, explained it and all, and he actually gave me that. That clip from Acapella fellas, his acapella group that he used to do. And I was like, oh, yeah, thank you for that, like. And I felt like I, like, mixed nardwar with Between Two Ferns, so I want to. I was also thinking about trying to go, like, a nardwar route for doing, like, street interviews with bitcoiners. But then I was like, no, that kind of defeats the purpose of bitcoiners valuing privacy. And so I'm just not going to get into all that. But I thought it'd still be pretty fun.

Walker (37:35)

You could have described. I actually don't know who nardwar is, so I. No, Derek, he's never had no clue.

Derek Ross (37:45)

I'm just nodding to be friendly.

Carla (37:50)

Please explain.

Tatum Turnup (37:53)

He's a Canadian, I guess, journalist. And he does. We live in a man. He comes to America a lot. He does, like, interviews with. With musical artists, and he'll. He'll just spit, like, a fact about their early life that even they forgot or something, and they'll be like, what? He's. He's like the. The Musical detective. Y'all should definitely go watch Nardwar. He is. He is an icon. He is 100, one of the greatest things that's ever happened to journalism.

Walker (38:26)

Okay, Nard war.

Carla (38:28)

Shameless plug number two.

Walker (38:29)

I want to clarify.

Tatum Turnup (38:30)

Yeah, N A R D W A U R. I think Chad, if you're.

Derek Ross (38:34)

Familiar, put a link in there for us.

Tatum Turnup (38:36)

Yeah, please tell me that I'm not the only one in that knows who Nardwar is.

Derek Ross (38:41)

Validation here.

Tatum Turnup (38:42)

Like, I think crazy.

Carla (38:45)

Someone said he's Canadian, so you got someone who's at least recognizing.

Walker (38:49)

You know, what was cool for me about, like, getting into bitcoin was realizing that there are way more based Canadians than I thought there were. Like, there are, but it's like, why.

Carla (38:57)

Do they live there? That's what I never understood. It's like, go south.

Tatum Turnup (39:01)

You could just leave, you know, like.

Carla (39:03)

You could just leave. You can just do stuff.

Walker (39:06)

Well, I was about to say you.

Tatum Turnup (39:07)

Can just do things.

Walker (39:09)

They basically all live in America, though. It's like, what is it? Like 90 of the Canadian population lives within 100 miles of the US border.

Derek Ross (39:15)

They all live right next door, which.

Walker (39:18)

Is just kind of nuts. And. Oh, I see. Somebody says we have the same haircut. That's awesome.

Carla (39:23)

I Mrs. All right.

Walker (39:25)

Yeah, I kind of miss my long hair too. It's like I felt like I was like Samson, like losing some of my power when my hair was cut. But.

Tatum Turnup (39:34)

I will never use your short bitcoin because you left the Rapunzel protocol, brother.

Walker (39:39)

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Tatum Turnup (40:53)

No, I did that.

Walker (40:54)

You did that one. Okay, well, he.

Tatum Turnup (40:56)

He also made one that was a response where he. He said that he was in the Viking vanguard, and that was the first time that I had ever seen him without a shirt on. And it literally scared me. That man is absolutely ripped for being like a man in his 40s.

Walker (41:13)

Dude, he's jacked up.

Tatum Turnup (41:15)

He's insane.

Walker (41:17)

Yeah, 40 is 40.

Tatum Turnup (41:21)

What are you, Tatum?

Walker (41:22)

Like 16? Jesus Christ.

Tatum Turnup (41:26)

Someone told me on my birthday, they were like, you're getting pretty close to 30. And I was like, oh, wow, that's crazy.

Carla (41:32)

I'm already past the wall, man. It's okay.

Derek Ross (41:35)

Yeah, 30 was a while ago.

Tatum Turnup (41:40)

Derek sounded so.

Carla (41:41)

Derek's crying under that mask. I wish there was a crocheted tear coming through.

Tatum Turnup (41:47)

You just start seeing it, like, darkened under his eyes.

Carla (41:51)

It's sweat.

Derek Ross (41:53)

My 30th birthday party that we had a blizzard and I had all a bunch of people coming. And I remember I did a keg stand with my buddies. They helped me up and like, yeah, I'm still young and did a keg stand. And then Katie left to take our son up to my parents house. So when she got back, the driveway and the road at our house was pretty well parked. And I said, honey, there's snow over the road and snow banks and like three feet of snow. You're gonna get your car stuck. Let me park it for you. So she gets out and I try to park the car, and then I got. I probably shouldn't have parked it, but I. I got it really stuck. And she like to tell that story because you're gonna get it stuck.

Tatum Turnup (42:34)

Let me get it stuck. Because I was all.

Derek Ross (42:36)

I was all like, real mascul on stuff. And I'm like, honey, you're not. You're not gonna be able to park in the snow. Let me do this. She gets out of the car and I proceed to just drive it right into the snow bank.

Tatum Turnup (42:47)

That's awesome.

Walker (42:49)

This is 30.

Carla (42:51)

This 30's not old.

Walker (42:53)

Yeah, that's the thing. The older you get, the more you realize, like, the ages you thought were old are not old at all. Like.

Tatum Turnup (42:59)

Well, I also have the dichotomy of, like, thinking like, I turned 27 and I'm like, I'm like, I'm. I am in my 20s, but also, oh, my God, I'm in my late 20s. Like, it's like a. You're not old. Yeah, you're really old, dude. It's like, no, you're fine. You're still in your prime. Go party. Dude, your back hurt this morning because you coughed wrong.

Carla (43:20)

Like, you're still more ahead than most people.

Derek Ross (43:24)

You wake up, you're like, man, why is my back hurt? All that fucking flip I was doing yesterday. Why did I do that?

Walker (43:31)

Dude? My first. Like, I've got a pretty strong back. I mean, it's broad and it's muscular, but I literally like tweaked it trying to get the car seat out of the car. And I was like, I never felt older than in that moment.

Carla (43:49)

But we do middle row car seat. Not like past, like, not car or window side. So it's even harder to get.

Walker (43:54)

Not trying to expose my son to the threat of side impact. You know what I mean?

Derek Ross (43:57)

There you go. No, it's being smart.

Tatum Turnup (43:59)

Speaking of which, how is that chunk of joy? I love seeing pictures of him. He is always so happy. Has he ever cried ever? Oh, yeah, I don't think he has.

Walker (44:09)

Oh, yes, don't mind.

Tatum Turnup (44:14)

That. That picture that Susie posted was. I. I died laughing just imagining like him laughing with her about some. Whatever she caption was about.

Carla (44:23)

Like, he is 10 months.

Tatum Turnup (44:26)

It's great.

Derek Ross (44:26)

Coming up on a year. That's awesome. I can't.

Carla (44:28)

I can't believe it's been almost a year. Like, it. It's been such a blur. Honestly, I like, don't even remember, like last month.

Derek Ross (44:36)

Oh, I remember those days.

Tatum Turnup (44:39)

I miss Susie too. I hadn't seen her in a while.

Carla (44:42)

We hadn't either, so it was really nice to have stuff.

Tatum Turnup (44:45)

I hadn't seen anyone in a while.

Derek Ross (44:46)

I haven't seen Tatum. Yeah, I haven't seen you in a while, brother. You've been. You've been mia, dude, doing Tatum stuff like side quests and secret missions and everything.

Tatum Turnup (44:54)

Yeah, I've been. I've been side questing. Some good, most bad. But things are turning up now, so that's why they call me Tatum. Turn up. You know, I saw you grab that before.

Derek Ross (45:08)

You said that you. That was good planning. You teed yourself up on that.

Tatum Turnup (45:13)

I was like fidgeting around and then I said that. I was like, Wait a second.

Walker (45:19)

Wait, quick, quick question because I'm still a live streaming newbie. I saw somebody comment walker up your volume. Is this better now? I just turned up the gain and pushed these Little slotty things up a little. Wow.

Carla (45:29)

Looks like your mic was.

Walker (45:30)

I think. I think I got it figured out.

Tatum Turnup (45:33)

Hey, Walker, quick, quick question. Are you going through, like, obs or are you going straight from Riverside?

Walker (45:41)

Straight from Riverside. Because it, like.

Tatum Turnup (45:43)

Okay, I didn't know you could do that.

Walker (45:44)

Yeah, it honestly works pretty well. Like, you just put in a little, what is it? RTMP or. Yeah, yeah.

Tatum Turnup (45:52)

See, I definitely want to show you.

Walker (45:54)

I don't know, these podcasty things.

Derek Ross (45:56)

Riverside. Does it give you the ability to control, like, each person's audio individually?

Walker (46:01)

I can set, like, how you max out at. But I just adjusted our volume, like, on this little Rodecaster thing, and I don't know if that actually worked. So if it does sound good for.

Tatum Turnup (46:12)

Me, you sound about equal to Derek. I think so. All right, Carla, say something.

Carla (46:17)

Hello.

Derek Ross (46:18)

Hello.

Tatum Turnup (46:19)

Yes, Both sound pretty good.

Walker (46:21)

All right. All right.

Tatum Turnup (46:22)

I'd like to show you obs because that's going to be a rabbit hole that is going to unlock a new man in you.

Walker (46:30)

I did download it because I was like. When I only downloaded because I saw Zap Stream recommended it, but I was like, I've already got this Riverside subscription. And then I like, was like, well, I'll just turn on the live stream option on Riverside and I'll just do that. Riverside. Honestly, like, it works pretty well. I've been fairly pleased with it.

Derek Ross (46:48)

Obs is cool because of all the options. Right? Like, you just have so many different things.

Tatum Turnup (46:54)

Oh, and then also Kieran put he create. Or maybe it was him. I don't know if he did it solely, but I don't want to discredit whoever did it. But they have widgets that you can put as a browser source in obs. So, like, I have chat. You can actually see chat on my screen. And like, if someone zaps you, it pops up. And if they. If it's over 500sats, it does text to speech, it's pretty sick. I have fun with it.

Walker (47:22)

Dude, that's pretty. Okay, Noster question, what is. We're obviously using Zap Stream right now, so you can't say that. This is basically like the pet question. What is like an underrated Noster client or noster implementation? You've been playing around with that maybe people aren't aware of. Derek, I know you've got some answers. Have you heard?

Tatum Turnup (47:43)

Probably got more. I'm pretty straightforward with my stuff.

Walker (47:47)

I just swap between Amethyst, what's your daily driver? Okay, me. Okay.

Tatum Turnup (47:51)

Daily driver's domest. But I do enjoy Amethyst. It's just there's a lot going on in Amethyst, which is a good thing, but it's kind of difficult to switch between the two because there's a lot more with Amethyst and Thomas is, I feel like a little more bare bones.

Walker (48:06)

But do I like. So Vitor's approach because he came on the Bitcoin podcast, of course, and his approach is like, because he is putting so much in there, but he's basically like, any micro app is going to out compete me, but that's okay. Like I want them to outcompete me, but I'm going to put every like, it's awesome. But did he say it on the bitcoin podcast?

Derek Ross (48:27)

No, no, but I remember a year ago whenever he implemented Communities. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Do you remember this? A year ago he implemented Communities and it's half assed, in my opinion. Does it work? Yes, but it works half ass. And he specifically said something along those lines, that I have support for it, but I'm not going to be the best community app out there. Somebody that builds a strictly community app and has all of the bells and whistles and all the features for Communities is going to be the better implementation. I at least have, you know, loose support for it. And I think that's the way that like all, almost all the integrations kind of work. You know, Shopster, Zap Stream, you know, whatever, you know, the Nest, like they all have decent support, but standalone apps are always better.

Walker (49:20)

Tatum, I see you have your hand raised.

Tatum Turnup (49:22)

Thank you. Thank you. One thing that I was excited about, that kind of fell off. I think at least from what I saw, it kind of fell off and then I kind of lost a little interest after a bit. But I was super excited about impub Cash because that was, that was like a real easy intro into E Cash. But there was still just some quirks and stuff about it being like your in pub, being your native, not key. But it was too much of a jump, I think, to go straight into like the full E Cash ecosystem. However, it was really cool as an add on that you can just zap someone's in pub. Not zap, but send Ekash.

Derek Ross (50:09)

It's cool from like a nerdy, geeky technical standpoint. But the average fucking person that just joins Noster isn't gonna.

Tatum Turnup (50:16)

That's what, that's what understand any of this.

Derek Ross (50:19)

And it's gonna make it so confusing for them. Like, it's cool the fact that like, technically this can be done, but nobody fucking cares about this. Like, they don't. I'm sorry. It's cool.

Tatum Turnup (50:33)

Yeah, no, I definitely see it from that point somebody on the street and.

Derek Ross (50:36)

Be like, yo, you need these four apps to be able to post a message and get paid for it. No one's gonna.

Tatum Turnup (50:41)

That's where I was like, dude, I have a whole folder right now of stuff that I have to like, like utilize. And I was like, this, this is fun for, for nerds, but it's not fun for like regular users.

Derek Ross (50:52)

It's fucking cool. But no, that, that is the toughest part of onboarding to nostr is trying to tell somebody how to send in receive zaps. There's way too many half assed solutions that work.

Walker (51:07)

Like, what do you think is the best solution currently?

Derek Ross (51:13)

So that's subjective. I tell people to use.

Walker (51:15)

That's why I said, what do you think, Derek? Of course it's subjective.

Derek Ross (51:19)

I tell people to use Primal, but people are going to complain and bitch and moan because Primal makes you Kyc. There is no easy. There is no easy one click button solution for non Kyc sending and receiving zaps. If you do not care about that Primal because it has a built in wallet and it's point and click and it's super simple. But if you want to say, well, I don't want a Kyc, why do I have to Kyc say, oh, you don't have to, but you're gonna need these four other steps to do it and that, and that's too much for people to do. And like, I think that we have a lot of work to do on the wallet zap side of things.

Walker (51:55)

I think, I think that's. Oh, go ahead, Tatum.

Tatum Turnup (51:59)

Do y'all remember when I was going to get my wallet of Satoshi ln URL QR code tattooed on me? I'm so glad I didn't do that.

Walker (52:11)

Yeah, honestly, that was a close one.

Carla (52:14)

That'd be a lesson for anyone as well as.

Tatum Turnup (52:17)

Yeah, exactly. That. That is a centralization lesson right there.

Carla (52:22)

Apps are fleeting.

Walker (52:24)

Yeah, dude. It's honestly like it's such a bummer though that so many of these companies like have needed to basically shut down US Operations.

Derek Ross (52:33)

Oh yeah, it sucks.

Walker (52:33)

Like that fucking sucks. Like it really does. Because. Okay, like it or not, Custodial Lightning solutions are a much better user experience.

Tatum Turnup (52:43)

Yes, yes, 100%.

Walker (52:44)

Like, that's not up for debate. That is a fact. Okay, yes, Custodial Lightning is a shitcoin. Okay, but it's. You're still using Bitcoin, don't keep a shitload of money on there. You're fine.

Tatum Turnup (52:55)

Like I've always thought of it, cash in my wallet, basically. I mean, if I need to go. First one.

Walker (53:01)

Who's ever come up with that analogy? Tatum?

Tatum Turnup (53:03)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I created it. I would use like right now I use, I use Albie, which I, I like Albie. I have, I have pros and cons with Albie, but I do enjoy how they kind of encourage self custody with the limits on what you can send and receive and hold and stuff like that. And they're, they're evident about that. They're. They're not like trying to rug pull you. They're like, hey, we're just going to let you know, like we want to minimize our risk to you. And Albie has a lot of other great features too, but it, that's. I've always, not always I went, I went on a roller coaster. But as of late I've been an optimistic bear on or a pessimistic bull on lightning because like I, I want it to work and it does work, but there are so many issues with UX UI centralization. Just ease of use altogether because of like routing and stuff like that. Like you can have a well connected node and still have, have lost routes or whatever, or you can have like the, the paradox is that you could either have a super broad connected node with, you know, Derek Walker, Carla Roya, like, just like, oh, no. Good thing I have more. You can have a really good.

Walker (54:41)

Real quick. We just pulled out the Miller lights and Derek had to go off camera. He couldn't handle seeing.

Derek Ross (54:45)

I had to look at my next one. My next one is a Great Lakes Brewing Oktoberfest.

Walker (54:52)

Oh, my name's Derek. I have a fridge full of fancy beer because I'm a big fancy man.

Tatum Turnup (54:57)

Oh, hey Walker, would you like to go to the store with me and get a pick six with me? I. There's some craft options. It will only cost about $25.

Walker (55:08)

Anyway. Derek, we love you, but. Wait, Tatum, continue. So you're talking the routing issue?

Tatum Turnup (55:14)

Yeah, yeah, there's, there's a paradox of like I could have, I could have 50 channels open with different, different small nodes, like personal connections and stuff like that. But you got to think about the collateral that I have to put up for in and outbound liquidity for those, those channels. I have to manage that liquidity. I have to make sure that those nodes are still staying up and connected. Or on the inverse side, I can connect to like three big Nodes like strike lot of Satoshi Albi, but there you go. I just centralized everything that I would be doing on the Lightning network. So and it's not just an easy fix of like I'll use. I'll have 25 personal channels and two big channels with these major liquidity providers. It's not as simple as that.

Walker (56:08)

Well, okay, so somebody mentioned in the, in the comments a nickname just said more layers. And I think this actually is kind of like, like I view, I mean depending on how you want to look at it, like E Cash and federated E Cash and you know, Fediments are like basically another layer like that. I view that as kind of like a layer three. Right. Because they often are using lightning for like yeah, the settlement side. Right. And like I think what, what Fetty is doing is really awesome. Also Obi Nwasu was of course on the bitcoin podcast. I don't know if you guys have heard of the show but anyway, California but, but there. What I love about what Fetty is doing is that is actually creating like a super unfuckable form of local like decentralized communication. And also it is literally like it is peer to peer cash. Right. Like the way those federations work, they are totally blind. Like the, even the, what do they call them, the Guardians don't even know who is doing what. Like they're basically just controlling the end balances and like and cashing out on the back end. But you also they've built on. Within Fetty they've built communication obviously messaging as well, which is a complete private black box. So like no government can get into that. So unless you compromise the guardians of a particular federation, like all of you know, or you know, a majority of them, you're not going to get in there and you're not gonna be able to see and even the Guardians can't see what messages are being sent. So like I think that those types of layers are actually hugely important and end up providing like okay, yeah, Lightning. Like for Lightning to be a good user experience, you're going to have to use something centralized. Like Zeus is pretty good, right? Like we can like Zeus is pretty good but. And like I like the Zeus guys a lot. So. And I'm not trying to shit on him here, doesn't work great because like you've got to deal with managing it. You've got it. Like you've got to go in there.

Carla (58:07)

And claim so many times I'd be like walker my channel.

Walker (58:11)

Yeah, like, okay, I've got like, like people don't want to do that. Like, realistically. And you can say, like, oh, yeah, well, you know, people should want to do that if they care about their sovereignty. And it's like, yeah, but like, sovereignty is a spectrum. And just because you're, you know, like, I think it's most important. The only thing that ultimately matters is is the base chain still decentralized and secure is Bitcoin layer one. And beyond that, it's like, okay, I'm going to. I'm comfortable with making certain trade offs because it's going to increase my ease of use. Like, and perhaps that's not a popular opinion, but like, I don't know, like, E. Cash has plenty of trade offs. Like, you can get rugged by the mint, but also you can have, you know, a million mints, which is kind of like, awesome. And like, even Kai Cali also, I thought, I thought, I thought Callie's name was Kai, like, for the longest time, you know, like, like, kind of. Really? Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (59:07)

So I'm uneducated, so I just always called him Cali.

Derek Ross (59:10)

I met Cali in Riga, and when he introduced himself to me, he's like, hey, you're Derek. I was like, yeah, what's your name? He goes, I'm Kelly. I was like, oh, hey, Kelly, Derek, nice to meet you. And then. And I'm like, oh, cool. I met, I met this nice guy named Kelly. And then. And there's. Then a couple minutes later, I hear him talking about E. Cash. And I looked at Odell and I said, who is that? And he said. And I was like, oh, are you. I was like, I thought he told me his name was Kelly. It's like. And then Odell's like, hey, Kelly, Derek here thought your name was. And everybody had a good laugh about it.

Walker (59:43)

Oh, my God, I'm glad we were in the same boat there. Yeah. But I, like, he's the first to admit, like, look, there are trade offs. Like, and there are always going to be trade offs when you're going off of the base layer. That's okay. Like, it's okay for there to be trade offs. You can make up your own fucking mind and do what you want to do. Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (60:01)

By the way, since there are trade offs, you don't have to use them. You can make your own trade offs or use something else with different trade offs.

Carla (60:08)

Yep.

Tatum Turnup (60:08)

No one's forcing you. Yeah, I think I just tweaked my back right there, by the way.

Walker (60:17)

There we go. There's that bullhorn. See, Tatum, I didn't hit you with the crickets after that. You know, I can also hit you with applause, chimes, trombone. Rim shot or music.

Tatum Turnup (60:29)

Never mind, Never mind.

Walker (60:31)

Yeah, yeah. Rim shot. This is.

Carla (60:34)

Oh, no. I feel like the girl in Ridiculousness, where I just, like, laugh.

Walker (60:39)

Have you guys ever noticed. Wait, wait. Quick question. Like, you know, you're traveling. Like, you, like, throw on, like, TV in a hotel room. Why is ridiculousness always, like, the only thing that's ever available? I don't entirely mind it, like, you know, like, of the things that I could be seeing. Like, it's kind of funny. Like, Rob Dirdex. Like, I don't know. He's still just doing his thing.

Carla (60:59)

Like, he's doing.

Walker (60:59)

I think he's a vampire.

Carla (61:00)

Ryan Johnson.

Walker (61:01)

Yeah, he's like, a vampire.

Carla (61:02)

I'm pretty sure the guy who's like, don't die.

Walker (61:04)

Yeah, yeah, you got Tatum. You know who Brian Johnson is, or you just know. Man on the street interview guys.

Carla (61:09)

He's the one who was, like, doing, like, transfusions of his son's blood to be younger and, like, tracks his sleep and erection.

Walker (61:15)

Yeah, erections.

Carla (61:17)

Oh, yeah. Attracts everything.

Derek Ross (61:20)

That's weird.

Tatum Turnup (61:21)

Also very open about it, too.

Carla (61:23)

That's the only reason I know.

Tatum Turnup (61:30)

How many today.

Derek Ross (61:35)

That's something I don't want to track. There's too many.

Tatum Turnup (61:37)

Hey. Okay, well, that was top rope. Oh, there it is. I want to go back to the conversation we were having about names. I. Funniest thing happened. I've actually brought this up, like, three times today, but someone. I was talking to my friend. I'm. She's my best friend, and I'm real good friends with her boyfriend, too. And I was like, so who. Whose side am I gonna stand. No, wait, no, hold on.

Derek Ross (62:07)

Easy.

Tatum Turnup (62:09)

Pause, pause. I jokingly asked whose side I was gonna stand on in their wedding, and then we got into the.

Walker (62:20)

And she was like, behind me, you.

Carla (62:21)

Know, hey, hey, that's where you need the air horns.

Walker (62:30)

Anyway, with your story about the. The woman you might be in love with.

Derek Ross (62:34)

No.

Tatum Turnup (62:37)

But we were talking about feelings are weird, like wedding parties and stuff. And she was asking about mine. I was like. I was like, naming friends and stuff. And I was like, walker America might be in the question. She's like, who? I was like, walker America. She's like, is that his name? I was like, no. And she's like, do you know his real name? I was like, no. She's like, so. So you don't know his name and you want him to stand with you on the biggest day of Your life. I was like, yep, exactly.

Walker (63:08)

Damn, Titan, I feel pretty bad for roasting you a few times there.

Tatum Turnup (63:12)

It's not even like I'm close to that. That milestone. So we got time. You can. You can turn your ways around now. So no more roasting.

Carla (63:21)

Noster is how you get groomsmen. Look at that use case.

Tatum Turnup (63:27)

My grooms are.

Walker (63:28)

I would be honest. The answer is yes.

Derek Ross (63:30)

Yes.

Tatum Turnup (63:31)

You heard it here first, folks. Walker is going to be in my wedding. I'm Mary Walker.

Carla (63:36)

Oh, my God. Wait, if this doesn't happen now, it's gonna be awkward. I will literally play this clip on pause.

Derek Ross (63:42)

I might be free.

Tatum Turnup (63:43)

Just saying, you know, I. I didn't ask you though, so it's okay.

Carla (63:50)

Damn, that is cold.

Walker (63:52)

Wow.

Carla (63:54)

Noster got me a date.

Walker (63:55)

Yeah, we just had someone in the. In the chat. Yeah, Noster got me a date before. I don't know what Noster is, but. No.

Tatum Turnup (64:01)

If you can explain how in. In very meticulous, step by step, that'd be great. Thank you.

Walker (64:10)

Yeah. Well, how did. How do you do it anyway?

Tatum Turnup (64:16)

What was that?

Derek Ross (64:17)

Step one is you have to zap the girl, Tatum. You have to send fat zaps.

Tatum Turnup (64:21)

Last time I did that, I got scammed.

Derek Ross (64:24)

Was it. Was it girl?

Walker (64:26)

Explain.

Tatum Turnup (64:27)

No, no, I'm just kidding. I made that up.

Walker (64:30)

Did you though? I mean.

Tatum Turnup (64:33)

So let's talk about mining. That's always fun.

Derek Ross (64:38)

So right now, everybody is spinning up like an old account to message like Tatum about mining. Like, like, hey, I'm a cute girl. I. I see your home mine. Like, I love it.

Walker (64:51)

Hi, Tatum. I hear mining is super centralized. Do you like, talk?

Tatum Turnup (64:58)

Yeah. So basically if you are running, it's like, damn, she caught me. She got me right where it hurts.

Walker (65:05)

She.

Derek Ross (65:06)

She.

Walker (65:07)

Damn.

Tatum Turnup (65:08)

Damn. I think mining is. Is starting getting more decentralized. By the way, in case anyone was.

Derek Ross (65:13)

Wondering, it's because of my bit axe. I have sitting out in the other room in it.

Tatum Turnup (65:17)

I appreciate stories about that.

Carla (65:20)

I'm like, it could be me.

Walker (65:22)

Yeah. Yeah. Which. Tatum, do you mind? Do you mind at home? Like.

Tatum Turnup (65:27)

Yes.

Walker (65:28)

Yeah. What. What rigs you're running, brother?

Carla (65:31)

Of course he does.

Tatum Turnup (65:32)

I. I have. So I have a. A few S9s that I turn off on and off intermittently at my apartment. And then I steal power from my father to mine on a couple of S17s that are still operational. And then I also just have several other 110 volt stuff that I. That I play around with every now and then. And then I do host a few J pros. And I'm wanting to get a 21, but it's pretty expensive right now.

Walker (66:05)

How much? What are they running these days?

Tatum Turnup (66:08)

That's actually a good question. Now, I hadn't checked the price and a few months, but they were. Let's see else L7s. Yep. I want an L7. I would like to mine some Litecoins. T21. Nope. XP21 right now is about. Is about $4,000.

Walker (66:31)

Okay.

Carla (66:32)

Damn.

Walker (66:32)

Wait, we've got another. We've got another guest in here. And while Derek is figuring out his audio, he's gonna switch to a really shitty version of his audio. Just so you guys know, I'm just gonna warn you in advance. So we were troubleshooting this, but.

Derek Ross (66:44)

Yeah. Doesn't have to participate.

Walker (66:48)

No, that.

Carla (66:49)

We're kidding.

Walker (66:50)

No. That feels harsh. That feels harsh. Bring him in.

Derek Ross (66:52)

All right, we'll bring him in the conversation.

Walker (66:55)

But wait. So real quick while you're doing that, N. Pub 182 6v365 says regarding getting a date on Noster. Far Felicia. Far Felicia. Farfallica. Farfallica. Okay, Sorry. Farfallica.

Tatum Turnup (67:11)

Far Felicio.

Walker (67:12)

Tatum. Easy.

Tatum Turnup (67:13)

Sorry.

Carla (67:14)

Game of goddamn television.

Walker (67:15)

Asked if anyone was going to a bitcoin meetup. I volunteered and then used my 66 space bum charm, and next thing you know, winky face.

Carla (67:22)

What's a space bum?

Walker (67:24)

I don't know, but I'm picturing four.

Tatum Turnup (67:27)

I missed it by two inches.

Derek Ross (67:28)

Damn it.

Walker (67:29)

Damn. I'm guessing. I'm guessing probably N. Pub 1826 V365.

Tatum Turnup (67:36)

By the way, is it Craig? Craig the space bum is his username. Sometimes it doesn't.

Walker (67:43)

Oh, it's not rendering for me.

Tatum Turnup (67:45)

Okay, there's Craig the space bum.

Walker (67:49)

Bum.

Tatum Turnup (67:49)

Bum. Oh, sorry.

Walker (67:58)

There it is.

Derek Ross (67:59)

So we have to drink. You need a beer.

Tatum Turnup (68:04)

Can I say something?

Walker (68:05)

Please do, Tatum.

Carla (68:07)

Oh, yeah. Let her rip.

Tatum Turnup (68:10)

Robert Breedlove is a dumb person's idea of a smart person.

Walker (68:14)

Tam, you just stole me saying that from about Charles Hoskinson, didn't you? Did you just steal my life?

Tatum Turnup (68:20)

I never heard you say that. You say that about Charles? I. I legitimately did not.

Derek Ross (68:24)

What are we talking about that shit corner for?

Walker (68:26)

Oh, because I. Because. Well, this is why I think Tatum may have. He may be plagiarizing me right now, which I'm fine with. Tatum. It's open source.

Uncle Rockstar (68:33)

Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (68:33)

Whoa.

Walker (68:34)

Free and open source software or satire. Okay, Tatum, I'll let this one slide, but you owe me 69 SATs. But I basically said, like Charles Hodgkinson is what dumb people think smart people should sound like. Like, you know what I mean? Like, no one's ever said that before. I think I'm the first one. Just like, Tatum, use that brilliant analogy he created.

Tatum Turnup (68:54)

Listen. So I actually did steal that, but not from you. It was from Kenny Digiglio.

Walker (68:59)

Who is Kenny Digiglio?

Carla (69:01)

Get Kenny in here.

Walker (69:01)

He's.

Tatum Turnup (69:02)

He's the greatest guy ever. He fat shamed me to get skinny.

Walker (69:07)

Yeah. By the way, dude, you're looking good. By the way. Dude, we didn't. We didn't call this out because you've been on a journey. Thank you. You want to talk about it?

Tatum Turnup (69:15)

So it all started when I was born. Life just kind of started sucking immediately. Then I had to pay taxes. And. No. Yeah, I've been. I've been, hate, lifting a lot lately. And it's true what they say, that when you go to the gym, you feel happier, even if it doesn't feel happy in the moment afterward. It's like, oh, maybe I do want to live for, you know, the next few days and we'll see about it again. But, yeah, I just. I just lift shit and. And I say that my full family dies if I don't. And that. That typically works.

Derek Ross (69:56)

Well, you look good, Tatum. I'm proud of you. You look great. You know, keep up the great work.

Tatum Turnup (70:03)

I'm trying, but now I'm drinking beer, so we'll see what happens there.

Derek Ross (70:10)

Beer is actually a salad. Right. Because there's hop in it. True. You know, I love that.

Walker (70:16)

Yeah.

Derek Ross (70:17)

Yeah. Like, it's just a salad. Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (70:20)

And also, I'm traveling for the week, and so it's like, anytime I come home, I definitely eat a little bit worse because, you know, like, there's so much. Yeah. It also is so much good food.

Carla (70:33)

Like, way much. I had a way better food.

Tatum Turnup (70:35)

I had a hell of a steak. There's a. There's a place in Hattiesburg called Sully's, and it is probably top three steaks I've ever had. I would. I wish that I could, like, give you all a fresh one right here, because it is what's going on here. This is. This is super. Anyway.

Walker (70:59)

Yeah, I honestly hate beers.

Carla (71:01)

Derek, I'm gonna be right back.

Walker (71:03)

Okay. Carl. Carl's gonna go get some wine.

Derek Ross (71:05)

Get some more win vino, some Peony Lane wine maybe.

Walker (71:09)

You know, we actually. Because I fucking love Ben Justman and I love what he's doing. And he was actually. He was actually on the Bitcoin Podcast, shockingly. Which is just crazy. If you guys have heard of that show at all, once or twice this hour. Yeah, that's crazy. It's amazing. Just the words getting out there. A lot of people are saying it's actually the fastest growing bitcoin podcast in the world, and nobody has the data.

Derek Ross (71:33)

Probably true.

Walker (71:34)

Yeah, it actually. I think it actually is. Yeah. But either way, I'm gonna keep saying it. But we got one of his limited, like, 21 bottles, because I was like, fuck it. I've never spent this much on a bottle of wine in my life. But if I'm going to, I'm gonna.

Tatum Turnup (71:49)

It's gonna be this.

Walker (71:50)

Yeah, it's gonna be on Ben Justin's wine because, like, he's an awesome dude. What he's doing is amazing. And, like, his wine's fucking great. Like, it really is. Like, and he does it, like, as all naturally as you possibly can. Like, he educated me a lot. Just about, like, how much shit is in most of the shelf wine that you see.

Tatum Turnup (72:08)

You don't realize it until someone like Ben tells you. And then you look at, like, the next bottle that you get from the store and you're like, oh, this is poison.

Walker (72:19)

So much poison. Why is so much this shit poison?

Derek Ross (72:22)

I had. I had Walker. His was the Satoshi's reserve bottle as well. We had it, what, two months ago or so. And, dude, it was really good. It was the most expensive wine I probably ever bought, but it was really good.

Walker (72:35)

Was. Wait, was this one of the ones he auctioned off on Scarce scarcity, or was this part of the new Reserve collection?

Derek Ross (72:41)

The new Reserve collection. Well, actually, I didn't buy it. One of my buddies bought it. But yeah, we. We got a case of his wine for the Seafood Boil party we had at my house a couple months ago. And so we. We had all of his wine, and then we had the. The Satoshi reserve and. Oh, my God, I'm not a huge wine connoisseur, so you can't ask me about, like, the. The notes and other stuff. Right? Like, I'm a beer guy, but it was damn good wine.

Walker (73:06)

Pause, you guys, we have. I agree. We have a special guest that is joining us here in a second. Oh, wait, he. It just went away. Hold on. Oh, I was. Okay.

Derek Ross (73:17)

His name is Jeroen. He's right here. Say hi.

Walker (73:21)

No, you want to know who it is? Hey, what's that?

Carla (73:25)

I didn't know that's how you say that.

Walker (73:26)

Hey, Erun, we're going to introduce you in a Second too. Well, we're just introduced right now. We have Rockstar joining us right now. No way.

Tatum Turnup (73:34)

Yes.

Derek Ross (73:35)

What's up, buddy?

Walker (73:37)

Rockstar Dev. Uncle. Rockstar.

Tatum Turnup (73:43)

The uncle. The party captain of Nasser and Bitcoin. God, I miss him.

Walker (73:48)

Uncle, can you hear us? Uncle?

Tatum Turnup (73:53)

This is actually pretty sad.

Walker (73:55)

No, he's gonna be here.

Tatum Turnup (73:57)

Hold on.

Derek Ross (73:57)

It's all right. He's just getting ready. It takes him a while to sum up all of his power. Oh, he left.

Walker (74:04)

Oh, he'll be back. Okay. But. Well, even if he doesn't come back, we can say we had Uncle Rockstar in the live stream briefly, just for a moment.

Tatum Turnup (74:14)

That guy.

Walker (74:15)

Okay. We're gonna get him back, dude.

Derek Ross (74:17)

Absolutely. I love Rockstar. He's a super nice guy, super friendly, fun. Like, I love being at an event and Rockstar is there just to hang out with him and share time with him. Beverages, food with him. He's a great person.

Walker (74:31)

Oh, and he can.

Tatum Turnup (74:32)

Never met him. I had never met him in my entire life. And then I got to Costa Rica and he just hit me up. He was like, hey, if you got X amount of money, you can just hop on our. On our bus to get to Uvita. I was like, okay, cool, thanks, man. And I paid him. I can't actually remember if I was on that bus or not. It was all a blur. But he was just so welcoming, and I had never met him. It was like, cool.

Derek Ross (75:00)

Yeah, that was in Costa Rica. That was the first time I met him as well.

Tatum Turnup (75:05)

But then I miss Costa Rica.

Carla (75:07)

We met at Big Block Boom, I think.

Walker (75:09)

Yeah. I think we met Rockstar at Bit Block Boom.

Carla (75:13)

And then we emceed Tab Comp.

Walker (75:15)

Yeah, Tab Comp is also, like.

Carla (75:17)

That's, like, one of my favorite.

Walker (75:18)

It's a hugely, like, underrated, but, like, purposefully underrated. Like, they don't actually, like, actively advertise it because they're like, we don't, like, want a ton of people here. But it was like the highest signal conference because it's also like.

Carla (75:31)

And it was like the biggest parties.

Walker (75:33)

Yeah, we gotta bring you closer.

Carla (75:36)

These good mics are so good. You have to be right on top of them.

Tatum Turnup (75:39)

Tab Conf is a little more dev focused, right? Or am I right?

Carla (75:42)

A lot more. It's extremely technical.

Tatum Turnup (75:45)

Gotcha.

Carla (75:46)

But that's why you learn so much.

Tatum Turnup (75:48)

Yeah.

Walker (75:49)

Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (75:49)

I wanted to go, but I hadn't been able to make it. But it looks real fun. And that was actually one of my coworkers. His First Conference was TAPconf last year, and I was like, I hope you know that. Like, this is a little more technical. And he's like, oh, no, it's fine. And he. He went. He's like, it was great, but I was definitely in over my head. That's. Did you learn stuff? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. I was like, all right, there you go.

Carla (76:14)

The year we went, I remember it was really funny because I didn't know who Paul Stortz was, like, anything about him. He was just, like, a very intense guy in the audience. And I kind of yelled at Walker, and I was like, who is this guy? And then I was like, oh, that's Paul starts.

Walker (76:28)

He later apologized for yelling at me, which I actually appreciated. Like. And, yeah, to be fair, I was live tweeting.

Carla (76:37)

Everything was just, like, over my head.

Walker (76:39)

And then I did not bring him a microphone fast enough when he was trying to give some audience comments. And he did not appreciate that. But I do appreciate very much that he apologized for being a bit of a dick in that moment. He was like, I've actually thought about this a lot, and I'm really sorry. I'm like, oh, dude, I hope you didn't think about it too much. And, like, I appreciate that you said sorry. You know, it's. Most. Most people wouldn't. Oh, we had Rockstar for a moment again, and we lost him. The anticipation is killing me.

Derek Ross (77:03)

That. That's okay, because I had some audio problems in the beginning. It took me some time to figure it out. So these technical difficulties.

Carla (77:10)

Why doesn't Derek do the intro, you know?

Walker (77:13)

Yeah. Can you introduce your.

Derek Ross (77:15)

Introduce my friend Yaroon. Okay. So, yeah, this is Yaroon. He is the Noster intern, the official Noster intern. He'll explain in a minute what that means. But Jeroen is well known around the Nosterverse. He has helped me out at Prague, run the Noster booth in Prague. He helped me out in Riga, run the Noster booth in Riga. Recently, he spearheaded the initiative at Nosterdam to do a bunch of Noster events at Bitcoin Amsterdam, as well as manage the booth there and everything like that. And he's in the United States visiting from the Netherlands for a short amount of time, and he stopped by to hang out with his good friend Derek. And here he is.

Tatum Turnup (78:03)

I just want to point out. Hey, I. I don't know if you know, but I'm. I'm the director of hr, Thomas hq. I don't think that we have him on payroll. Do they know that Vanessa actually assigned.

Derek Ross (78:18)

Me an unpaid internship is what you're saying.

Tatum Turnup (78:23)

My hands are clean.

Walker (78:26)

Oh, man. Well, okay. So will you eventually intern for all Noster companies? I don't know what this Noster is these guys keep talking about, but is the goal to intern for all of them? No.

Derek Ross (78:42)

This was a one time thing.

Walker (78:45)

Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. But I've got to keep it under.

Tatum Turnup (78:48)

Reps. We're going to put them to work.

Walker (78:53)

Tatum, you are, like, licking your chops. You're like, I've got a new hire here.

Derek Ross (78:57)

Mining company now, Tatum, I don't know if you knew that.

Tatum Turnup (78:59)

Oh, really? Yeah. What company? If he's okay with the disclosing. If not, it's fine.

Derek Ross (79:04)

The company is called Bitcoin Brabant.

Walker (79:06)

It's a small company in the Netherlands.

Tatum Turnup (79:09)

Oh, that's awesome.

Walker (79:11)

Nice.

Tatum Turnup (79:12)

Sick. I work for Bitcoin Mike.

Walker (79:15)

Yay.

Tatum Turnup (79:18)

What's up, brother?

Derek Ross (79:20)

I love it.

Uncle Rockstar (79:20)

Can you hear me well?

Derek Ross (79:21)

And I love the silhouette.

Walker (79:22)

Got you, man.

Carla (79:23)

I feel like this is like an iPhone commercial.

Walker (79:26)

Yes.

Derek Ross (79:27)

He's gonna start dancing around with his.

Tatum Turnup (79:29)

Ipod mini with the earbuds.

Uncle Rockstar (79:33)

Well, I mean, I can't see.

Tatum Turnup (79:34)

Yeah, you can see earbuds.

Derek Ross (79:38)

I might not like Apple, but I know the commercial.

Uncle Rockstar (79:42)

These are not an apple. Yeah, but. But I don't know. I can't top you, Derek. I mean, look at that.

Derek Ross (79:48)

Look at the corn mask.

Uncle Rockstar (79:50)

Oh, my God. Phenomenal.

Tatum Turnup (79:53)

It's corn time.

Walker (79:56)

God damn it. Oh, my God.

Uncle Rockstar (80:00)

I'm glad I'm bringing that much excitement here. So congratulations on 2.0 launch.

Tatum Turnup (80:07)

What?

Derek Ross (80:07)

Yesterday, right?

Uncle Rockstar (80:09)

Oh, yeah, yeah. Two days ago. No, two days ago. Yeah. Today is Friday, Right.

Walker (80:16)

Sorry.

Uncle Rockstar (80:16)

I can't tell from all the. Oh, look at that. From all the traveling. So. My God. Listen, this is how we on board people on Oster, if you keep with this show, and then people can actually join nostrils, I think that will be very popular.

Walker (80:37)

So, you know, so. So Rockstar. I appreciate you because you. You, Carla, like, showed me the reply. You love you, like, you know, you should let people join. And I. I sent you an encrypted message using all of my encryption powers, and now you're here, and. Yeah, I'm glad that you're here. It's good to see you. You're looking good. You're looking thin, like you've been working out.

Uncle Rockstar (81:00)

No, no, I've been traveling. Traveling. I've been traveling. That's what's happening. So you saw that I was in Puerto Rico and then New York, right?

Carla (81:10)

Mm.

Uncle Rockstar (81:11)

The only thing is, like, yeah, that wasn't Me. So what's starting to happen now is that people are starting to dress up as me, especially for Halloween. And they're sending.

Tatum Turnup (81:24)

That would have been a great.

Walker (81:30)

Wait. That's kind of amazing though. Like, also the best OPSEC defense, like, ever. Like, literally people are just being you. Like you're everywhere at once. This is kind of. It's like. It's like. What is it like Negan from. From Walking Dead. You know, it's like we're all Negan. Like, Carla hasn't gotten that far Walking Dead yet. So I just. No spoilers, please guys. Just keep it down low. That's awesome.

Uncle Rockstar (81:54)

I. I don't know about Walking Dead, but I guess I'm like walking alive or whatever I am because. Where is it? It's on my feed somewhere and it's.

Carla (82:07)

Not like a little plane.

Uncle Rockstar (82:09)

Notice that I'm showing X. Like, this gonna trigger so many people.

Tatum Turnup (82:13)

Oh my God.

Walker (82:13)

I hope if Odell is watching this, please forgive me.

Tatum Turnup (82:17)

He just keeled over. He just had a heart attack, I believe.

Walker (82:21)

Still. Still live streams to. To YouTube though. So he's not only live streaming. I'm just saying I think bitcoin podcast is the only. No, Only live stream bitcoin podcast out there. And many people are saying it's the fastest growing. So I don't know.

Derek Ross (82:36)

Many people were saying it.

Tatum Turnup (82:39)

Many people are saying it.

Uncle Rockstar (82:41)

No, but you know who this is? It's Barker Parker.

Derek Ross (82:48)

No way taller than you. That makes sense. But that's awesome.

Tatum Turnup (82:52)

That's awesome.

Uncle Rockstar (82:54)

Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (82:55)

So it looks like you. That looks like you. And.

Walker (83:02)

And then thought that was you. I'll be honest, when I saw that picture, I was like, oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Amazing.

Derek Ross (83:09)

That is best costume I've seen.

Walker (83:11)

We are rock star. We are legion.

Uncle Rockstar (83:14)

Weirdly. There you go. This is me and Lugano efforts took this picture. But this one was. Was hilarious down here from Puerto Rico because I received few DMs of people asking me to join their parties and.

Tatum Turnup (83:33)

You weren't actually there. That is insane.

Carla (83:36)

You sent.

Walker (83:36)

Well, this one.

Uncle Rockstar (83:37)

See arrive to Puerto Rico for ready for bit devs tonight. Yeah. With the plane. No, like, you see the hair. I. I'm busy.

Tatum Turnup (83:49)

This is.

Derek Ross (83:50)

Oh yeah.

Tatum Turnup (83:50)

This is the first time realizing that this is not you. Because I remember seeing that. I was like, damn, Rockstar is so cool.

Carla (83:57)

It's like when you read words that are misspelled but you know the word. It's like just enough.

Derek Ross (84:02)

No, that's awesome. Awesome.

Uncle Rockstar (84:03)

I.

Derek Ross (84:04)

And I'm also sad that I haven't thought about doing this. Like, I'm gonna work on this. I'm gonna fix it. Rockstar. Don't worry.

Walker (84:09)

No, no, listen, True face now, Derek.

Carla (84:11)

Orange wigs, not just your corn mask.

Uncle Rockstar (84:13)

I was your corn man.

Derek Ross (84:15)

Hot. That, like, my face is probably all red still. Like, it was hot under there, man. I couldn't do it any longer. I did it for an hour and like 20 minutes. That's. That's enough.

Uncle Rockstar (84:25)

Derek.

Tatum Turnup (84:26)

I love.

Walker (84:27)

Yeah, I agree with Rockstar.

Uncle Rockstar (84:29)

Sorry.

Tatum Turnup (84:30)

I really like how you now have a catchphrase and it's. It's corn.

Derek Ross (84:35)

It's corn time.

Tatum Turnup (84:42)

Last year, last year, Steven Lubka dressed up as me for a party. And I. I didn't expect anyone to dress up as me, but he made this a video and it was the most like combination of Steven, Luca and Tatum turn up I've ever seen. And I almost cried laughing. It was so funny.

Uncle Rockstar (85:03)

No, I'm joking about this a bit. But I do think there is something to using accessories that can make others look like you. Because this can be something fast developers explore. As the nation state pressure increases and you may have like, I'm an uncle. I give my GitHub account to five developers. So they hold GitHub.com rockstar dev and they contribute to different repositories while it's like, oh, sue someone. Okay, sue uncle. And he'll deal with, you know, or I need to go to jail. Okay, please. I don't. Don't get me to jail. But if I.

Tatum Turnup (85:53)

You're hiring fall guys is what. What you're saying?

Uncle Rockstar (85:56)

No, no, no, no, no. I will be the fall guy, man. I mean, you saw how well the. The prison is. Is going for sbf. He has a gang already, so. Does he want that? Oh, you. You haven't seen that photo?

Walker (86:09)

No. Is he promising him a bunch of. A bunch of money afterwards? Is that like with the.

Carla (86:14)

Jamie.

Walker (86:15)

Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (86:15)

Listen, dude, just give me. Hey, if you give me your money, I promise you that it's going to be completely safe, first of all. And also it's going to grow exponentially over our sentence. I promise you that.

Uncle Rockstar (86:27)

I mean, you kind of sound sailor like, so I don't know if I should trust you. He's like, give me 42 billion.

Walker (86:34)

Yeah, let me buy it.

Tatum Turnup (86:36)

So, man, he said the number. The 21 number.

Uncle Rockstar (86:40)

Oh, okay, let's go. You're ready for this. This is how uncle uncle will be. Boom.

Tatum Turnup (86:48)

Oh, I did see that. I did.

Walker (86:50)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Uncle Rockstar (86:53)

So, Sam, I. I don't know if.

Walker (86:56)

He'S in charge of that, it looks like.

Derek Ross (86:58)

Yeah, I don't think that's his game.

Walker (87:03)

I think there's a gang, but a different type of gang happened. Yeah, and rhymes with gang starts with the same letter as.

Uncle Rockstar (87:12)

Switch to CZ photos, I guess.

Tatum Turnup (87:15)

Okay. CZ buffed up in. Dude.

Walker (87:22)

I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get jacked up. He was like, oh, finally I can rest. Like, I can sleep.

Tatum Turnup (87:34)

Rockstar go to. Go to his ex profile because he recently posted a picture that he was talking about doing. He apparently did like 300 push ups a day or something like that.

Walker (87:45)

Damn.

Derek Ross (87:46)

100 a day.

Tatum Turnup (87:48)

I think he. He's trying to prove something. Look at.

Walker (87:51)

Look at.

Tatum Turnup (87:51)

Look at his chest, dude. Look at his chest. He is huge.

Walker (87:57)

Oh, those are some pectoralis majors if I've ever seen him.

Carla (87:59)

He's an overstatement.

Walker (88:01)

He's got that. He's got that, like, Walker.

Uncle Rockstar (88:06)

So.

Tatum Turnup (88:07)

Yeah, yeah, BR's getting some chesticles is a great word.

Uncle Rockstar (88:15)

Find someone that looks at you the way this guy looks is easy. Look at that.

Walker (88:22)

What is happening there? Oh, my gosh.

Uncle Rockstar (88:26)

Yeah.

Walker (88:27)

Amazing. Anyway, rock star Rockstar.

Uncle Rockstar (88:31)

Boom.

Walker (88:33)

What wisdom does our favorite uncle have for us? What have you learned in your most recent travels? What is the wisdom of the day for you?

Uncle Rockstar (88:43)

The wisdom of the day? I mean, you kind of put me on a spot here, but I'm sorry.

Walker (88:50)

Okay.

Uncle Rockstar (88:51)

In the meantime, break your chains. Break your chains. That's. That's maybe the. The thing, because I was in chains of micro strategy stock going up and down by too much mean all the different retirement accounts. So instead of thinking, you know, oh, whether will it go up or will it go down, I exit it all made a little index fund for me and I can focus on my GitHub commit streak and joining beautiful podcast like this, making sure that we support Parker with his November 4th premiere. Like that, Paid in Bitcoin, another documentary he did. So, yeah, break the chains. That's what I would go with.

Walker (89:42)

You know, can I say something along those lines?

Tatum Turnup (89:45)

I just wanted to say something.

Walker (89:46)

Will it be as cool as what Rockstar just said, though? I.

Tatum Turnup (89:48)

Well, because I want to see if I plagiarize this or not, mister. Oh, you're the first person to say that, because I think I was the first person to say this. Sacrifice convenience. Until then, you're not free. That's my mantra that I always leave people with.

Walker (90:05)

That's pretty slick, actually. Who'd you steal it from?

Carla (90:11)

There should be an asterisk.

Tatum Turnup (90:13)

It came to Me in an Adderall bender or something like that? I don't know.

Uncle Rockstar (90:21)

No, listen. There is a huge value in chains. I see. I may be now going back a little bit on my advice, but I also use that metaphor of a train that's not on a train tracks. Like, you put it on. On some kind of field. Like, it's free, but it can't go anywhere. So if there are chains in your life that are moving you forward.

Tatum Turnup (90:48)

Or.

Uncle Rockstar (90:48)

You have committed, you have since simply said, hey, I promise I will be in this committed relationship, this marriage, for.

Walker (90:57)

Like, this old ball and chain over here. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

Uncle Rockstar (91:01)

But that then allows universe to send you signals through that person because you have committed. And in a year, you reevaluate and see, hey, you know, am I getting forward? You know, am I getting forward? Is this person also happy? Is everyone. Well, like, no. Okay, time to break the chain and do something else. Because, yeah, maybe you made a mistake. But that's the thing I found is I had way, way too many chains, all from some previous relationships. And I was always doubting, like, oh, am I doing the right thing here and there? No, it's just, break the chains, move forward, have fun, and encourage everyone to do that. So, yeah.

Carla (91:56)

Is anyone else hearing Fleetwood Mac? Because that's going through my head.

Walker (92:02)

That's why I cued the applause. You know, Tatum's in an interesting place. He's trying to break the chains with his. He's in love with his best friend, but he's also best friends with her boyfriend right now. So I think that's kind of what you're talking about. Right?

Derek Ross (92:14)

It's, like, complicated.

Tatum Turnup (92:15)

Exactly. But there's no complications whatsoever on what.

Carla (92:21)

Rocks are said, though. Wait, just like, a similar thing that I actually read the other day, which is. It's like, if you're on. If you're on the wrong train and you know you're on the wrong train, the longer you take to get off, the longer the trip back is going to be. So, like, when you think. When you talk about, like, breaking the chains, I kind of think about that. It's like, you got to get off the train, or the trip back is going to be even longer if you know you're going in the wrong direction.

Walker (92:42)

So it reminds me, this time, we were. We were in Japan. Japan. In our honeymoon. And. Yeah, but this is, like, actually a real story. And we.

Carla (92:51)

We did get on the wrong train.

Walker (92:52)

Trains are super nice in Japan. And we. Oh, yeah.

Carla (92:55)

And they're all on time by, like, always on time.

Walker (92:58)

It's not like Chicago, you know, it's like, no, that train is on fucking time. And we get on the wrong train. We didn't know this. And we're settled down in our little seats in the green compartment, and it turns out we'd gotten on the wrong train. We. We didn't know this person. We're all settled in. We're nice.

Carla (93:14)

I'm happy.

Walker (93:14)

And this very nice older Japanese man, you know, the guy taking tickets, comes by, and we give him our tickets, you know, okay, thank you. And he's like, no, no, wrong train. And just, like, yells at us, and we're like, oh, I think he means we're on the wrong train. Like, anyway, the longer we were on that train, if he wouldn't have gotten us off, if he wouldn't have yelled.

Carla (93:33)

Wrong train, we would have been like, in rural Japan.

Walker (93:36)

Yeah, we made it halfway there, I think. I think that was really the moral of the story. Listen to wise old Japanese men when they tell you that you're on the wrong train.

Carla (93:44)

If you're already on it, even though it's hard, you have to get off while you still can. Because the longer you wait, the more distance and ground you have to cover to get back where you started.

Uncle Rockstar (93:53)

Yeah. And I am Japanese, so.

Walker (93:56)

Yeah. You know, it's funny. I don't know if you guys know this, but Uncle Rockstar came on this little show called the Bitcoin Podcast. You may have heard of it.

Tatum Turnup (94:05)

People are saying that that's the fastest growing bitcoin podcast out right now.

Walker (94:10)

That's what they're saying. It's. A lot of people are saying it, but we were. We were actually live in Japan. You can tell by the setting that we were in. It was lovely, actually. Yeah, I like the sitting on the floor and all the plants that are involved. So, Derek, you've been a little quiet now that you don't have your corn mask on, I feel like.

Carla (94:28)

Because he spit his drink out.

Derek Ross (94:29)

Well, you know, there was an incident where my drink had to be evacuated, and it went all over my desk and all over my crotch. And it just.

Uncle Rockstar (94:45)

Made content to. Derek, why did you have to point.

Tatum Turnup (94:48)

That specific part out?

Derek Ross (94:50)

Because I wanted to entice you a little bit, Tatum. I had, you know, like.

Carla (94:53)

I mean, it worked. Everyone's intrigued.

Derek Ross (94:55)

They're all engaged.

Tatum Turnup (94:56)

Yeah, everyone.

Derek Ross (94:57)

Everyone's got a visual right now of me with a white crotch, and that's what I was going for.

Walker (95:03)

Wow. I don't know where we go from here, guys.

Uncle Rockstar (95:09)

To of course. To Tatum's best friend. That his future girlfriend and wife. We didn't finish that conversation.

Walker (95:17)

Yeah, true.

Uncle Rockstar (95:17)

Tatum. Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (95:21)

No, she's getting married. Discussed this. I'm marrying Walker. Okay.

Derek Ross (95:29)

Does she watch the bitcoin podcast?

Tatum Turnup (95:33)

No.

Derek Ross (95:34)

Oh, then you're safe. She won't ever find out your secret.

Walker (95:42)

Up there.

Uncle Rockstar (95:43)

No, no, no. That's so cute. Like, it reminds me when I was a kid, there was this 28 year old woman that I was, I guess, in love with. And then she was getting married and I was so upset and I was six, so.

Tatum Turnup (96:03)

Yeah, most of the wedding was.

Uncle Rockstar (96:05)

Was me, you know, like, consoling me. It was like, calm down, little rock stars.

Tatum Turnup (96:10)

Hey, quick question.

Uncle Rockstar (96:11)

If you need help.

Tatum Turnup (96:12)

Help?

Uncle Rockstar (96:12)

Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (96:14)

Was this person like a celebrity or something?

Uncle Rockstar (96:19)

No, it was like neighbor next door.

Tatum Turnup (96:21)

Oh, celebrity crush. It's just the girl.

Uncle Rockstar (96:27)

Yeah, the girl next door. But yeah, that's. That's Uncle. Keep going. I. You will see me messaging you all to help our man Parker promote this documentary and then need to see if we manage to get. Get some shots with Walker. Because you, Walker and Carla, you were amazing on stage at. In Nashville. And thank you.

Derek Ross (97:01)

Chemistry, right? Like, they do a good job. Hell of a job.

Carla (97:04)

A lot of people don't realize we're married. It's really funny.

Tatum Turnup (97:07)

Well evaluated each year, like, like, Rockstar.

Carla (97:11)

Suggested we have a performance review.

Walker (97:15)

Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (97:15)

Yeah.

Carla (97:18)

On our anniversary.

Tatum Turnup (97:19)

A little.

Derek Ross (97:20)

A little more on stage affection. A little. Little kiss from time to time.

Walker (97:23)

You know, I scored a 69 on my performance reviews, so I think I'm doing all right. You know?

Tatum Turnup (97:28)

Wait a second. I don't want to celebrate. All right. Oh, dude. One of the hardest shots I've ever seen was from. I guess it was Bitcoin 23. I put it in that. That weird back video that I made when you two were walking out. Y'all both look killer. Like, I like, I mean, y'all look like y'all needed to be there. And then Walker just goes to an audience member that this is. This is the coolest thing ever.

Walker (98:01)

Honestly, I didn't even remember.

Tatum Turnup (98:03)

Like, get AI to touch that up and hang that up. That was a good.

Walker (98:06)

No, I. When you posted that, I was like, oh, damn. Like, because obviously, like, we don't, like, see what we look like up there on stage. You know, like, we're doing a job. We're also shout out to McShane. Alex McShane, because he runs. And X Frog, who's also back there.

Carla (98:22)

Yeah, we have a great backstage crew.

Walker (98:24)

Man, that.

Carla (98:27)

Absolutely it makes the whole difference. Like, I wouldn't do, like, MCing if it wasn't such a cool and, like. Yeah, very professional, awesome crew back there watching that.

Derek Ross (98:39)

The whole entire production.

Carla (98:41)

X Frog is there.

Walker (98:42)

No.

Uncle Rockstar (98:42)

Oh, yeah.

Tatum Turnup (98:43)

Honestly, if X Frog is not going to your event, it's counted off. Write it off.

Carla (98:48)

Yeah.

Walker (98:49)

The first time we worked with him was at Tab Comp. And, no, it was uncomfortable. Oh, shit. It was on. Okay. But we weren't, like, emceeing it unconfiscatable. We just did the scammies.

Carla (98:58)

That's where we met.

Walker (98:59)

Yeah. Yeah. And X Frog's the fucking man. But, like, at Tab Comp, I remember he had, like. He got, like, upgraded to this absurd room. Like, really giant room. Like, it was, like, I don't know, huge. And many rooms within this room. And he ends up. He throws a party there, and he literally is up. Like, he slept for maybe 20 minutes, and then he just. And he just, like, he took, like, a nap. Just rolled right into the stage, starts setting up. Everything goes perfectly. Of course, he's always checking the mics. Are they working? Yes, they're perfect. X Frog's got it. But, like, man, that. That dude just. Nobody hustles harder than X Frog at a. At a conference. It's so impressive.

Tatum Turnup (99:36)

Do y'all remember whenever I was. I was given.

Uncle Rockstar (99:41)

I mean, I would say when it comes to that maybe this, I have few candidates who hustle harder. How about these people?

Walker (99:52)

Oh, look at that.

Uncle Rockstar (99:53)

So shout out.

Derek Ross (99:57)

I love it.

Carla (99:59)

That was a great impromptu panel.

Walker (100:01)

Yeah, I'd like to. I'd like to claim credit for naming that panel Nips irl. Or maybe Carla did, actually. That might be plagiarizing her like Tatum does.

Carla (100:13)

I don't. I don't have any ip, love.

Uncle Rockstar (100:15)

I have story to tell on that one.

Derek Ross (100:18)

Kieran as well.

Walker (100:19)

Yeah, dude, that. That whole nostrika was, like, surreal in the best possible way.

Tatum Turnup (100:27)

Yeah. Wait, quick, quick thing about no Sirika and X Frog before we get off of it, I. I remember whenever I was giving the mining demonstration, I had power and I plugged. I plugged it in, and I was like, and that's mining? Well, I don't have any Ethernet, so it's actually not doing anything right now. X Frogs just like, hey, I have an ethernet cord. And I was like, no. And then I got a notification on my phone that my miner was in. I was like, I'm mining in the Costa Rican jungle right now. That's pretty sick.

Carla (100:57)

That's awesome.

Walker (100:58)

That is amazing.

Uncle Rockstar (101:00)

Look, at our hero X Frog here in the back.

Tatum Turnup (101:03)

Dude block. Yes.

Walker (101:07)

Wait, Rockstar, what was the story you had? You said you had a story.

Uncle Rockstar (101:12)

No, but it is hilarious how Reverend Hoddle Vlog sex frog.

Tatum Turnup (101:17)

Oh, yeah.

Uncle Rockstar (101:18)

And then you too.

Tatum Turnup (101:20)

Yeah.

Uncle Rockstar (101:23)

Story, I guess for. For this. For that story. I need to get back to the picture of Nips IRL panel. So you guys know how after. After Norika, we had just a streak of Noster events and then one of them ended up being Nostraville?

Derek Ross (101:47)

Yeah. So Nostril is great.

Uncle Rockstar (101:50)

Nostril was great. But one of the biggest Noster promoters, supposedly Matt Odell, finds that there is Nip's IRL panel and calls me and is like, hey, rocks are like, what the hell, man? I gave you, you know, ability to influence agenda, and you put Nips, IRL and all females in a panel like, are you insane? And like, whoa, wait, wait.

Walker (102:14)

No, no, no.

Uncle Rockstar (102:15)

Like, we're canceling it. I don't want to be canceled. I just did. I'm like, no, man, let me tell you. It's a thing from the street and it's fe. You know, females. Agreed.

Walker (102:24)

Wait. Was trying to censor.

Uncle Rockstar (102:26)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Derek Ross (102:29)

You guys can check this. Yeah, you can fact check this.

Uncle Rockstar (102:32)

That he wanted to cancel.

Tatum Turnup (102:35)

Breaking. I feel like we're on breaking news. I feel like we're on the dictator or was it a dictator or. No. What. What's the one where the interview where they figure out the Eminem's gay, like, live, and you're like, call the press. Call the press. That's funny.

Carla (102:56)

Can someone tweet or note this in all caps, please?

Walker (102:59)

I'm. I'm literally. I'm literally breaking. Odell tried to censor NIP's IRL panel of.

Tatum Turnup (103:08)

We just figured out that Odell's trying to censor us.

Carla (103:10)

This is through the industry.

Walker (103:13)

Yeah, this. This is honestly shocking. This is really shocking. And I expected better Odell. I really did. I did it in all cast breaking. Odell tried to censor Nips IRL panel of.

Carla (103:24)

Why is he anti nips? I mean, I'm confused.

Walker (103:27)

I should add that. Why is he anti nips? Yeah, perfect.

Tatum Turnup (103:32)

I'm vehemently pro Nips.

Carla (103:35)

We should all be pro Nips.

Derek Ross (103:37)

You know, I actually am pro Nips. I am many of them.

Uncle Rockstar (103:42)

Okay.

Derek Ross (103:42)

I like a lot of the Nips. I do.

Tatum Turnup (103:45)

Okay.

Uncle Rockstar (103:46)

Uncle needs to sacrifice.

Carla (103:53)

There we go.

Walker (103:55)

Yeah.

Uncle Rockstar (103:58)

That was the last thing for me.

Walker (104:00)

Oh, boy.

Uncle Rockstar (104:04)

That will definitely have people joining Noster, unlike od.

Walker (104:07)

No, I won't censor women's nips, you know, and here I thought he stood for free speech and freedom of the.

Carla (104:14)

Nip, but free the nipple?

Walker (104:17)

Honestly, I'm just. This is kind of like. This is breaking news, and this is a little bit. It's a little bit disheartening. I'll be honest. Like, I don't know.

Tatum Turnup (104:26)

I guess y'all did this with your nips.

Walker (104:28)

Oh, boy.

Tatum Turnup (104:30)

I would show.

Derek Ross (104:31)

That's pretty good.

Tatum Turnup (104:31)

But I. I'm. I'm. I don't. I don't. Not going to.

Carla (104:34)

You're so far. You're like. The screen's like 10ft from me. I can't see a thing.

Tatum Turnup (104:39)

I'm making my.

Walker (104:41)

Oh, yeah.

Derek Ross (104:43)

You sure like it, Tatum.

Walker (104:45)

All right, now. Now it's a party.

Derek Ross (104:47)

It's corn time.

Walker (104:48)

Matt. Oh, Matt Odell would censor those.

Tatum Turnup (104:51)

Ms. Matt Odell, come and take it. Oh, that's amazing.

Uncle Rockstar (105:01)

Before I start, even bigger party. And it seems you are as well. So the secret is out, Tatum. We're going together to be naked with our nips.

Walker (105:13)

Matt Odell hates this.

Derek Ross (105:17)

Yeah.

Walker (105:18)

The one secret Matt Odell doesn't want you to know.

Carla (105:20)

We need to get the Bugle on this.

Walker (105:22)

Yeah, this bitcoin Bugle. They do great reporting, by the way. I'd like to shout out to those guys. It's really. It's awesome.

Tatum Turnup (105:29)

Like I said on msm, but the Bugle has given reliable information and very timely stories consistently. So take that. You know, Losers.

Walker (105:44)

Yeah.

Carla (105:45)

Got them.

Walker (105:46)

Suck it.

Tatum Turnup (105:46)

I gotta find them. I gotta. I'm posting a picture of Nipsen telling Odell to come and take it.

Walker (105:52)

Are they your nips or.

Carla (105:55)

Nipster is back.

Walker (105:56)

Whose nips are we talking about here? Wow. Since we started talking about nips, our viewers are up there. We're now at 77 viewers, which we are so early. Which I'd just like to say. Doesn't. May not sound like a lot, but I appreciate. I appreciate everybody here in the audience because we are doing this on a fucking decentralized protocol. Tidcoin podcast, unlike Matt Odell's show, will never be on YouTube live. Never. Nor on X Live. Unlike the Nip hater Matt Odell, which many people are saying. Many people are saying. Not many people.

Derek Ross (106:28)

Fastest growing podcast.

Walker (106:30)

That's what I keep hearing over and over again.

Tatum Turnup (106:32)

People are saying that.

Walker (106:34)

Many people. Yeah. Good people, too. But yeah. And on this show, as you can tell. And maybe that's why Matt Odell hates tickoin so much. That's what I've heard. Just because it has it has nips in it. But I never. I never knew the reason, but I guess it's because he likes to censor nips. So that's why he could never love tick.

Carla (106:50)

It makes sense.

Walker (106:51)

It's all coming.

Tatum Turnup (106:53)

Check out my most recent note and give it. Give it some boost. Just so let's see.

Walker (107:01)

Oh, we're doing it.

Tatum Turnup (107:02)

I accidentally liked myself. Whoops.

Walker (107:05)

Oh, accidentally. Tatum. I'm sure.

Tatum Turnup (107:07)

Yeah, yeah. Okay fine.

Uncle Rockstar (107:16)

Boom.

Walker (107:16)

Yes. Yes.

Carla (107:18)

I'll give that a repost.

Walker (107:19)

Wow. Look at those nips.

Derek Ross (107:21)

Is that Nips irl?

Tatum Turnup (107:23)

That's Nip's irl. And look at. It was cold out there too. So they're. They're nipping.

Derek Ross (107:29)

You're doing a little.

Walker (107:30)

That explains the shrinkage, right?

Carla (107:32)

Oh, he's like, why is everyone tagging me?

Walker (107:38)

This is honestly kind of shocking though. I just. I.

Carla (107:41)

Is there a reason rock star?

Tatum Turnup (107:42)

Why is he.

Carla (107:43)

Why some follow up.

Walker (107:44)

Why. Why are so many people saying that Matt Odell hates nipples?

Tatum Turnup (107:48)

I mean they want to promoting. They were like promoting a peep show or something. No deals like no, we can't do that.

Carla (107:55)

It's a censorship. Censorship resistant protocol. Even if we were.

Walker (107:58)

It's true.

Uncle Rockstar (108:00)

He thought it was disrespectful that we are going to. You know.

Walker (108:04)

The female body is disrespectful.

Carla (108:06)

Is that what it was women who came up. I mean, I think.

Walker (108:10)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I may have. I may have pulled the Tatum and plagiarized it. I'm pretty sure it was you that said nips irl. It may have been a collaboration with you and Susie.

Carla (108:18)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was. We almost stayed together.

Walker (108:21)

Susie loves the nips and I was.

Carla (108:22)

Like all these panels, why aren't they. Why is there a women's panel? Not that we need.

Tatum Turnup (108:27)

Odell's gonna be so confused. I love that Odell hates nipples.

Carla (108:31)

Get it trending.

Walker (108:36)

And wow. Honestly Rockstar, I can't believe you've dropped this on us. Like it's really shocking. I feel like it's going to rock the. This is like most industry to its core. I'm just glad people thought that that.

Tatum Turnup (108:47)

HBO documentary was going to like who is bitcoin in attracts that was fine. Whatever. This. This could change the course of bitcoin forever.

Uncle Rockstar (108:59)

With that horn agrees I will drop in name. I didn't bring my Miller Light. I'm dropping in every month.

Derek Ross (109:09)

Drink in October fest as well.

Walker (109:11)

Rockstar. I like I think I'm gonna start doing these as like we'll make it we'll make it a regular thing. We'll pull up random people. But it's good to know that uncle's going to be in the house even without the comes back. Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (109:26)

Wait, you have 105 viewers all. Hey guys. I stream on Zap stream pretty damn regularly. I think I maxed out at 21.

Derek Ross (109:37)

All of the watching this right now.

Tatum Turnup (109:40)

I play Minecraft, I do DJ sets.

Carla (109:43)

Whenever Walk Odell has answered entered the chat podcast.

Derek Ross (109:46)

He's not, he's not lying. Like this is. That's why we have 105 viewers.

Walker (109:50)

Not a fast growing podcast. But I think that's the talk to a. From the hawk to a girl. But it is definitely the fastest growing bitcoin podcast in the world. At least according to all the experts I've talked to that just people are.

Derek Ross (110:01)

Saying that experts actually have you talked to about this? I'm curious.

Walker (110:04)

Like, I mean many, many, many amazing.

Carla (110:07)

How much time he has.

Walker (110:09)

Many are saying it. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, it's truly shocking.

Uncle Rockstar (110:13)

Tatum, when you stream called me, I'm going to come over, I will take my shirt off and we're going to bump viewers. Our nips power for the win. Let's go.

Tatum Turnup (110:24)

I hey shirtless stream when I get back into town, guys.

Derek Ross (110:29)

Oh man, we all got to get on that.

Walker (110:34)

We got to get on that CZ workout plan. You know what I mean, man, Also, I cannot believe Rockstar just comes in here, drops a bomb. Like Odell. Oh yeah, Odell hates nipples. And he's like. Anyway, I'm out of here to go. Do you know Cypherpunk? Oh my God. Wait, I just. Hold on. Did everyone else just notice there's another corn?

Derek Ross (110:51)

That's my. That's my son. Corn man.

Tatum Turnup (110:54)

Corn boy.

Derek Ross (110:55)

Corn boy.

Walker (110:57)

All of a sudden I just look at him like, holy shit, there's another corn.

Carla (111:00)

Like, Halloween's over.

Walker (111:01)

That's amazing. Look, looking great. It's a wonderful sun.

Derek Ross (111:05)

You need to say it's corn time. It is hot in here. That's why I took it off.

Walker (111:13)

I'm sweating.

Carla (111:14)

Oh my God, I love it.

Tatum Turnup (111:16)

You need to say it's corn time. Dad, get me out of here, dude.

Walker (111:23)

You're a champ, man. Boy, it looks hot in there. It looks almost as hot as a dinosaur. I gotta say now I, you know, feel bad that we've been talking about how much Matt Odell hates nipples in front of your son. I hope it's okay.

Carla (111:37)

Nipples are for everyone no matter what age you are.

Walker (111:40)

It's true.

Carla (111:41)

Actually, you start when you're young, so.

Tatum Turnup (111:43)

Yeah, it is. That is technically true.

Carla (111:45)

I would know.

Tatum Turnup (111:46)

Yeah.

Walker (111:47)

Oh, no. Now I'm hot. This is going crazy, all these lattes. All right, guys, someone said you're pulling.

Carla (111:55)

Viewers from BTC sessions.

Walker (111:56)

Oh.

Carla (111:57)

Because I saw that there's a competing Zap stream, and I was like, wait.

Derek Ross (112:02)

Yeah, Wait, yeah, the competing one starts at 7:00, I believe. Right? It's Sarah's Kitchen soup box.

Walker (112:12)

No, no, the competing one. Sarah. Shout out to her because she's been in these streams, like, multiple times. So thank you, Sarah, for being here. And Zap cooking is awesome. If you haven't checked it out, you should absolutely. Really, like. It's super cool. But the competing one is BDC sessions, and I told you, you guys gotta watch out for the. With those Canadians with their fancy hair.

Derek Ross (112:32)

Yeah.

Walker (112:32)

And, you know, doing their. Yeah. Oh, boy, do we have. Can somebody in the. Can somebody in the chat confirm if we currently have more viewers than BDC?

Tatum Turnup (112:47)

Yeah, someone just said they have 21.

Derek Ross (112:49)

All right.

Walker (112:50)

Probably. Probably because he streams to YouTube like that nip hater Matt Odell. You know, it's unacceptable. I'll be honest. If you're gonna livestream, livestream to Noster only. It's like, oh, yeah, I'll delete my Twitter account, but let me livestream to YouTube. I don't think so, Matt Odell. I don't think so. I'm just kidding, Odell. I'm not. Anyway, Tatum, Tatum, what's. What's the best meme you've seen in the last week? And why was it from corn? DeLorean?

Tatum Turnup (113:23)

Corn. Corn is shout out Corn for the original and really good memes.

Walker (113:29)

Who has better memes, Corn or qw?

Derek Ross (113:32)

Oh, hands down, it's Corn.

Walker (113:38)

It. It's true. You know that actually, both Corn and QW were on this little show called the Bitcoin podcast. Yeah. Yeah, it's wild. Anyway, we talked about memes. Thank you, Dan, for saying Noster only. And I hope that we encourage Matt Odell.

Carla (113:51)

You're still on X, dude.

Walker (113:53)

Of course I am, but I'm not.

Carla (113:55)

I need to, like.

Walker (113:56)

But I'm not pretending to be noster only. I'm an objective for my live streams.

Derek Ross (114:00)

Which only go to Noster only.

Walker (114:02)

No, Stone Noster only.

Carla (114:05)

Here's the thing. No, sir actually makes sense if you talk about Nostradamus. Right? Like, if we're going Latin and she's.

Walker (114:10)

Foreign, so she can say it correct.

Carla (114:12)

But everyone else has collectively decided on Nostra. It's like you deciding, like, oh, I want the bitcoin logo to be green. Like, you can't just do that.

Walker (114:20)

Sweetheart, sweetheart. Is it an open source protocol?

Carla (114:23)

Sure, but there's still consensus.

Walker (114:25)

And are there two green bitcoin logo?

Derek Ross (114:26)

The bitcoin cash logo?

Carla (114:28)

Correct. Exactly. You can't just be like, I want green, because I can.

Walker (114:31)

Are there two S's in the word noster? Is it notes and other stuff, Stuff transmitted by relays, or is it notes and other stuff transmitted by relays?

Derek Ross (114:39)

Notes.

Tatum Turnup (114:39)

Why do you have to hit us with this logic? Dude, stop. Just let people. Hey, you could just do things. Remember?

Carla (114:46)

Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (114:46)

We talked about.

Derek Ross (114:47)

There's no stopping you. You can do whatever you want. It's true protocol.

Walker (114:51)

And I think that's why many people are saying that tickoin is the fastest growing podcast in the world.

Derek Ross (114:55)

I do. I love it.

Walker (115:00)

That's what she said.

Tatum Turnup (115:02)

Dude, that air horn is like Pavlovian for me now. Like, I just immediately reach for. For the drink.

Carla (115:08)

Oh, I forgot to.

Walker (115:10)

Yeah, yeah.

Tatum Turnup (115:12)

Pavlov my lips. Is this still? Oh, kind of a little bit.

Carla (115:18)

All I know is this wig.

Walker (115:19)

Derek, Derek, drop a. You got. You got any fun facts over there?

Derek Ross (115:24)

I have a lot of fun facts. What do you want to know about?

Walker (115:28)

I don't know. What. What do you like to tell?

Derek Ross (115:31)

Fun fact.

Carla (115:32)

What is this, an icebreaker?

Derek Ross (115:33)

This young man is the same age as bitcoin.

Walker (115:37)

Whoa, whoa. Happy birthday today.

Derek Ross (115:41)

Well, not the exact same.

Tatum Turnup (115:43)

Well, then why would you say it anymore?

Derek Ross (115:48)

He's six months behind. But you know, Bitcoin 2009 him. 2009.

Carla (115:54)

Damn. That means you're really old there.

Walker (115:59)

In Tatum's eyes. Derek, you are anxious.

Carla (116:01)

You are, like, 80.

Derek Ross (116:04)

Tatum.

Tatum Turnup (116:07)

I hate it here.

Walker (116:09)

I.

Derek Ross (116:10)

Well, wow.

Walker (116:11)

Tatum, Jeroen and I need to go.

Derek Ross (116:13)

Gonna get some food and some beer and all that kind of stuff. Guys, it's been, like, two hours. But it's been a wonderful two hours. We do need to head out.

Walker (116:21)

Yeah, I appreciate. I appreciate you guys joining. Yeah, she's.

Carla (116:24)

Yeah, I got a baby.

Derek Ross (116:25)

Yeah, you do have a base. Someday your baby will be this big.

Carla (116:29)

Oh, my God.

Derek Ross (116:30)

Enjoy it. Enjoy it while you can, because they start annoying you as they get older. You love them the same, but they annoy you too.

Walker (116:37)

Fun fact. You know who doesn't hate nips like Matt Odell, our son.

Derek Ross (116:42)

You know what?

Walker (116:43)

Loves them, loves, loves them, loves them. Even babies love Nips Odell.

Derek Ross (116:49)

Yeah, it's a food source.

Carla (116:51)

You're born loving this. You have to be trained to hate them.

Walker (116:54)

Whoa.

Derek Ross (116:55)

All right.

Walker (116:56)

Who trained Matt Odell? Okay, Derek, we'll see.

Derek Ross (116:58)

Walker, Carla, I love you guys. Thank you for having me. Tatum, you know.

Tatum Turnup (117:02)

Okay. All right. Love you, Tatum, man, good to see you again.

Derek Ross (117:05)

It's been fun. Thank you, guys. Can't wait to do it again.

Walker (117:08)

Looking forward to it, man. Cheers, guys.

Derek Ross (117:11)

Cheers.

Walker (117:12)

All right, Tatum, it looks like it's going to be just you and me here in a second because we're going to need to close down the show. We're going to need to bring things. Bring things down a little. Well, now, you said that you had nip stuff to do, which Matt Odell doesn't approve of.

Carla (117:24)

I said I'd do two hours. I'm here for two hours.

Walker (117:26)

All right. All right. We got six more minutes of Carla. You know, Tatum, I'm looking forward to your next season of the show.

Carla (117:34)

And actually, we're going to. Come on. I know we were supposed to. Oops, sorry. I know we were supposed to, like.

Walker (117:39)

Years ago, you know, I got. You know, Tatum, you. I remember you. I still remember this because we felt bad about you came up to us at Pacific Pacific, but you were like.

Carla (117:48)

Can you bring every costume you own and do his changes between every scene? And I was like, listen, buddy, this isn't happening overnight.

Tatum Turnup (117:54)

Carl's idea. I was like, they're not gonna be able to. Like, they don't just carry around everything, but I'll.

Carla (117:59)

What am I, a goddamn clown?

Walker (118:01)

It's one of my greatest regrets, you know, is not. Not doing it at that moment. Tatum, just so you know, I think we would have made matches all good.

Tatum Turnup (118:10)

Well, I'm being completely honest. I probably wouldn't have released y'all's episode, just not on purpose. But just because I failed to run a successful production company, I still haven't released the Lynn Alden's episode from over a year ago. So.

Walker (118:25)

Wait, why have you not released that? Lynn is the Beat the frickin best.

Tatum Turnup (118:30)

Because I screwed everything up and I.

Carla (118:34)

Anyway, dude, get out of your own head. You just gotta put it out there, man.

Walker (118:38)

Screw up anything except maybe your marriage with the woman you love who's dating your other best friend. But, like, besides that, you know, you haven't screwed anything up. Like you've been holding out on a Lynn Alden episode that you could have been dropping to us. The world needs it.

Carla (118:53)

You're sensitive.

Tatum Turnup (118:55)

No, I'm. God, I'm mumbling.

Walker (119:00)

Who are you? Matt Odell?

Carla (119:01)

Captain, put it out there, man. From the live chat. Put it out there, man.

Tatum Turnup (119:06)

Okay, Tatum, turn up.

Walker (119:08)

Is. Is emulating Matt Odell. You heard it here first. He's censoring.

Tatum Turnup (119:11)

Oh, my God.

Carla (119:13)

Tatum, if you're looking for a sign, this is it. It is screaming in your face.

Walker (119:17)

It is.

Carla (119:18)

Hey.

Tatum Turnup (119:19)

All right.

Carla (119:20)

You know I'm a tough lover.

Tatum Turnup (119:22)

I know. Well, I have a. Wait, Chill. Lynn Alden, Samson, Ben, Astrid, you've just.

Walker (119:34)

You're just sitting. Why are you sitting on these?

Carla (119:36)

Yeah. What are you doing?

Walker (119:36)

What are you doing, man?

Tatum Turnup (119:38)

Because, I mean, I've been running a two man show and it's. And it just gets. It got real difficult. Like, we had one that was in editing for close to like two months, I want to say. And it just. Then Carl went on a hiatus, too, because he had a kid or something. Yeah. Stupid. But then it just kind of. It kind of fizzled out. And then I had. I started going through some stuff with work and personal life, and I just had zero time or bandwidth, which I really, really didn't like. But again, I've thought about, like, outsourcing or, like, hiring an editor, but there's two problems with that. One, me and Carl have, like, the same vision and sense of humor to what the show should be. And two, crushed it. Thank you. Thank you.

Walker (120:27)

Really.

Tatum Turnup (120:27)

The second problem is that we don't have money to pay someone else to do it. So it just kind of goes in. That's where it all boils. What it all boils down to is, like, there's no financial incentive and it. It's hard to find sponsors for a show that is very inconsistent. It's like a weird paradoxical cycle. But hopefully, I mean, I do plan on releasing those at some point, and hopefully we'll be able to get everything consistent. I learned a lot, which was good. But, yeah, I got. I got a lot that I'm sitting on and Gold mine.

Walker (121:04)

Depriving us, honestly, like, the. I'm sure the Lynn Alden one will be wonderful.

Tatum Turnup (121:09)

It was pretty good. She was like, asking me. It was like right after Broken Money came out and she was asking me, like, my favorite part of the book. And I was. I was like, trying to convince her that I read it, but she was.

Walker (121:19)

And you're like, I can't actually read.

Tatum Turnup (121:22)

You know, she was like, how many chapters are there? I was like, I think over three at least. Maybe. I don't know. But yeah.

Walker (121:30)

I can't believe you've been sitting on a Lynn Alden episode that, like, you're depriving the world of that. Yeah. She's a treasure. She is a treasure.

Tatum Turnup (121:39)

There's also a few episodes I actually just. Namely, one that will never see the light of day. Which one starts with N and ends with Adelie Brunel.

Walker (121:51)

Why are you sitting out on that one?

Tatum Turnup (121:53)

Another trip that was awkward for all the wrong reasons. Like, I was. I was. First of all, I was sweating out Red Bull vodkas through my pores. It was like 8am and second of all, like, she had never seen my show, which I didn't blame her for, but she also never seen Between Two Ferns. And so I was like, oh, okay, so this is gonna be how it goes. And then, like, I was barely there mentally, and Carl, like, wanted to do this bit about, like, me ask her on a date, and I was, like, trying to tell him no. And she's like, she's married now after.

Walker (122:27)

And I know. And I know you. I know you love the Taken women. We've already established that.

Tatum Turnup (122:31)

But it's really coming full circle.

Walker (122:35)

You see that?

Tatum Turnup (122:35)

I'm going to go hang out with both of them today, and I'm going to. I'm going to tell them what. What happened, and we might FaceTime y'all and just be like, hey, this is my. No, that's actually awful idea, because then you're going to put me on blast in front.

Walker (122:49)

Yeah, I'm super discreet when I need to be.

Carla (122:52)

No, he's not. Don't do it, Tatum.

Walker (122:53)

Very discreet. What was that?

Tatum Turnup (122:55)

What was that?

Walker (122:56)

I don't think I win. No, I just have an involuntary facial twitch sometimes. I can't help it. It's not my fault, but, you know. All right, Tatum, it's just you and me here. We got to bring this thing home for people because we've still got 75 people in the Zap Stream. Which many people. Many people are. That's my wife, dude.

Tatum Turnup (123:17)

Well, we did just discuss full circle, baby. All right, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.

Walker (123:24)

All right, now. Now we're here. I've got to get this chair out of the frame. Can't have that. I'm just gonna tip it over. I'm just gonna tip the chair over. Perfect. Yeah. Hold on. Here we go. There it is. Now we're here.

Tatum Turnup (123:38)

I'll be, like, my. My makeshift studio. This is my. This was my brother's room. It's now a guest room. There's, like, a dude. We got, like, baby Tatum Lore in here. Look at this.

Walker (123:50)

Oh, you're so cute. What happened?

Tatum Turnup (123:52)

Yeah.

Walker (123:54)

Come on. I couldn't. I Couldn't resist.

Tatum Turnup (123:57)

I was a very cute child. Like, I was a good looking kid. And then something. I don't know what happened, but something did happen.

Walker (124:04)

So, Tatum, now. Now we are officially in the titcoin after dark session. So we've got to. We got to bring that voice down low, you know, but not too low. You know, I've had a lot of people comment, like, they're like, you know, I like the show, but that fake voice you do is really strange. I'm like, I guess I'll just let me just like punch myself in the nuts a few times. Bring it up a few octaves, like, see if that helps.

Tatum Turnup (124:28)

I was watching one of your. I can't remember which one it was, but the intro you were doing, you know, your intro, and you were talking like you do, which I just watch because that's. I know you. I know the show. And someone was like, what is that? And I was like, that's my friend Walker. He's like, is he, like, narrating? Like, he needs to work on that. And I was like, hey, no, this is. This is the fastest growing bitcoin podcast out there right now. That's what many people say.

Walker (124:59)

It's so many. I think you have a lot of.

Tatum Turnup (125:02)

People bring up.

Walker (125:05)

Number. I also, I have. I had people like IRL recently. Yeah, that's in real life for you boomers out there. I'm hip, but I had. I had some ladies that were working the reception at a place I need. I had an appointment. I had some moles cut off. I'll just say that it's like, you know, pre cancerous stuff, but they're like, okay, we just got to take this thing and go deep. And so, you know, did that. And so, you know, you're chatting up the. Chatting up the folks there, and they're like, do you do like you do ASMR or anything like that? I'm like, kind of. I've got a podcast, in a way. And I was like, I've got a podcast. Like, oh, what's it about? It's about bitcoin and one of the ladies. Oh, not bitcoin. Like, that's. That's just like. And I'm like, it's just like one of those times where it's like, we're so early and then like, there's two of them there and the other one is like, oh, like, you know, but didn't that, like, go away? Like, didn't it like, it, like, it, like, you know, went down right? Like, it or, you know, basically saying, like, didn't it die? I'm like, no, like, it's still there. You know, I've got a podcast about it. The fastest growing in the world, many are saying. And like, back and forth. I come to find out that one of the two. Because one girl's like, oh, how do I. Like what? It was literally like one of those, like, conversations that sounds, like, fake, but, like it actually happened. She's like, well, okay, how do I. Like, what do I do? I buy it. Like, I just. I buy it. And I'm like, yeah, like, just like you'd kind of, you know, like, buy a stock. Like you're trying to make it, like, simple. And the other girl's like, yeah, you know, you can just like, you can even buy it in, like, cash app. And I was like, you know that you can buy bitcoin in cash app. Okay, so you know something about bitcoin that's. This is the one that was. Dive deeper here. Yeah, it was like, not bitcoin. And she's like, well, my fiance, he likes bitcoin and cardano. And I was like, oh, there it is.

Tatum Turnup (126:49)

There it is. I was waiting for it. Okay, you said fiance. And that's always.

Walker (126:54)

And now I see the problem. Now I see the problem. Yeah, I don't know, it's a wild place to be at where we're at right now because it's like, I, you know, you try to get like, your friend, like your close friends and your family to like, to buy bitcoin because you're like, listen, this may go down in the short term, but like, I am telling you that you just buy a little bit every day. Like just dollar cost average. It doesn't have to be scary. And don't forget about it. Literally, just set it and forget it, and you will be better off in a few years. And it's like I've gotten, you know, like, a lot of the family around to it. Some of my friends. But a lot of my friends work in like, like high level corporate finance too. Like, you know, and they make really good money. Like, they make.

Tatum Turnup (127:36)

Those are either the easiest. Yeah, those are either the easiest or hardest to capture.

Walker (127:41)

It's true. It's like, because it's like, I think it's also like, oh, like, well, like all these guys, you know, I went to school with, they're like my good buds, really good guys. And it's like, well, Walker, like, come on, you know, you're. You're an engineer. Like, we're in finance or, you know, we're in finance. Like, we work for banks. Like, I think. I think we know. Like, it's cute that you're giving us this stock advice, but, you know, this bitcoin stock thing. But I think we'll be okay. It's like, ah, okay. All right. Yeah, I'm trying, guys. Like, I'm trying my best, you know, just trying to. Trying to lift you up.

Tatum Turnup (128:15)

I. I used to give out open dimes to my friends, and I. The last few that I gave out was when bitcoin was at, like, 15, $16,000 and I gave them 100,000 sats. That's a nice. Yeah, now it is. I was like, oh, man. That was a little more than. Well, congrats. I mean, you see what I was trying to convey, But I feel like you're going to run with this. One of the guys that I gave my last one to was my best friend's boyfriend.

Walker (128:54)

Did you give any to your best friend who you may be in love with?

Tatum Turnup (128:58)

No, it was just. It's just a buffer for when I tried to. I think I'm not going to go. I'm not going to go any further. But, yeah, I did, because he was one of the only people, like, I only gave them out to people who, like, actually showed interest in what I did and, like, asked questions and. Because, like, so many of my friends are like, hey, what's bitcoin? How much money can I get from bitcoin? Can I get rich from bitcoin? It's like, I don't want to talk to you. But then cooper, he's talking to me. He's like, so I'm trying to understand, like, what if, like, you know, I'm explaining mining to him and I give the analogy of, like, me just guessing random numbers. He's like, but what if I'm guessing numbers and you're guessing numbers? And what if we, like, wanted to, like, team up and could we split the reward? And I was like, you just described a mining pool. And he was like, all right. I'm like, those are the people who I do want to, like, make sure that I can.

Walker (129:57)

It's, you know, it's going to be super hard because cooper sounds like a nice guy. I've got a friend named cooper, too. And it sounds like it's going to be hard when you break his heart by stealing his gal. You know, that's going to be a. It's going to be a tough moment.

Tatum Turnup (130:07)

I really am glad they aren't into the Fastest growing bitcoin podcast in the world right now. Because if they see this, then it's just over. It's over for me.

Walker (130:16)

Yeah, yeah. Now, you know, I just want to say we still have 63 people viewing here in the live stream and I just want to say I appreciate you guys being here. Kieran, I see that we have you here as well. And thank you, Kieran, for building awesome frickin open source tech that allows us to do stuff like this because Tatum and I are not capable of it. And the fact that you do it means that we can do cool stuff like this. And Kieran, I actually have a draft email waiting to send you to schedule you on this show and maybe we'll. Maybe we'll do it as one of these. I'm just going to livestream all the shows from now on, only on Noster. Unlike Matt Odell, who I respect a lot because he's a, he's a cool dude.

Tatum Turnup (130:59)

It's just weird.

Walker (131:01)

Which is just strange. Again, and I don't want to belabor the point too much, but it does feel a little strange. And again, this show will never be live streamed on YouTube or X or anywhere, any centralized platform. It will be live streamed here on Noster. And I appreciate now all 54 of you viewers, down from 63 who are, who are still here.

Tatum Turnup (131:20)

Tatum, trust me, that number will get a lot lower. I see it all the time.

Walker (131:25)

I mean. Yeah, yeah. But you know what? Like, I think it's like, it's important. Like we're gonna look back on these days a few years from now and be like, oh, can you believe there were only like, you know, 100 people who tuned into this live stream on Noster. Like now, like, you know, zap stream is integrated into every. Like, I genuinely think we're, we're so very early and there are so many devs building amazing open source tools and the pace of progress on Noster has been so fucking impressive, it's ridiculous. Truly mind blowing. So shout out to the devs out there who are building this stuff because like it's. It's crazy. Like, I mean, you remember when did you first get on Nostr? What it was. We were, we were near the same time.

Tatum Turnup (132:09)

12-18-22 was my first note.

Walker (132:13)

Couple days after me, you were who.

Tatum Turnup (132:16)

I asked about it because I was like, I remember texting you. I was like, dude, what. What is this? Just, just give it to me.

Walker (132:21)

No. And I've got a shout out to. To Will Kasser and JB55 creator of DAMAS. Because it was. He posted the beta, the Apple test flight beta link on X. Or was it Twitter at that point still? Maybe either way, post. And I was like, oh, I'll sign up for this. I'd like created a burner account on. On Astral. You remember Astral Ninja?

Tatum Turnup (132:46)

Oh, that was how I got onboarded, dude. That was.

Walker (132:49)

Yep.

Tatum Turnup (132:50)

My. My computer started just going crazy. I heard the fans like start speeding up and it was just a massive chat room was all it really was.

Walker (132:59)

It was. And like it was. It was not. Is it still around? Like, I.

Tatum Turnup (133:03)

Well, apparently it's a PWA on iOS because I saw that advertised in whatever that website is that has a. Which, by the way, I'll share this with you. Apoth. What is it? I think it's called Apothecary or something. But it's a PWA that has like other PWAs. It's like a PWA app store, basically. But anyway, Astral Ninja.

Walker (133:25)

Yeah, I mean, if you remember Astral Ninja, you've been here for a while. But it like, it's amazing to see the pace at which things have changed. Like, things felt clunky, things don't feel clunky anymore. Like, yeah, they occasionally, like, don't work perfectly. But also like, fucking nothing works perfectly. It's software that's like, that's kind of the thing. Like, you're never going to have bug free software. Like, it doesn't exist. Excuse me? Yeah, and especially like to think of any app you use and it's like, is there any app you can think of where you're like, nope, never had a single problem with this app. It's like, no, you can't because, like, guaranteed you have. And I think it's important for people to remember that. Like, it's really easy to be like, oh, yeah, you know, like, you know, maybe when Noster gets a little bit, a little bit cleaner, a little bit sleeker, then. Then I'll think of checking it out. But it's like, you know, maybe when people get a little bit cleaner and sleeker, I'll check it out. You know, it's like it's. It's same energy.

Tatum Turnup (134:24)

I think it's the cool thing about decentralization is like, if you don't like it, you don't have to wait on a company to fix whatever bug you're seeing or something like that. Like, you can fix it if you want, but then also there's, you know, tons of other people out there who are actively trying to fix that Same bug. I think it's really cool. Like, I'm glad that I stuck around. I did take some involuntary, involuntary hiatuses a few times. But it's. It's so freaking cool. I. I like to say that I brought. I bought a pizza, wine and S nines with. With Noster.

Walker (135:05)

That's fucking sick.

Tatum Turnup (135:07)

It was awesome. I. Ben will tell you that I wasn't the first one to zap him for wine, because I think that that is true. But I always say that I was the first one to zap him for wine. But yeah, dude, it's so freaking cool. Like it. When you think about the possibilities, it's not even like a alternate. Alternate way of, you know, getting. There are layers of like I'm exiting the centralization by deleting Twitter, YouTube, all that stuff, Twitch, whatever, and going over there. But like, it's also important to think about, like, how this is going to be in an apocalypse scenario where, you know, I always like to think of things with tinfoil hat just for fun. But I, I definitely, I legitimately proved that if it came down to it, someone could bring me a pizza and I can communicate that if, you know, the world was burning and I, I still had my relays and my node running, which the world, the world is burning.

Walker (136:07)

But there's still pizza delivery. That can happen. I like it.

Tatum Turnup (136:10)

Exactly.

Walker (136:11)

I hope that's the apocalypse we live in, that the apocalypse still involves pizza.

Tatum Turnup (136:15)

Being able to be delivered. Count me in. If the apocalypse is just nothing but pizza delivery, I'm there.

Walker (136:23)

Chicago deep dish or New York thin crust.

Tatum Turnup (136:27)

So I actually have never had deep dish, but I've seen the discourse about people calling it lasagna and stuff like that. But I. One of my favorite types of pizza is the Domino's pan pizza with the. It's. It's like the really crispy crust on the bottom.

Walker (136:48)

Yeah.

Tatum Turnup (136:48)

And there's no, there's no like actual crust on the outside. It's like just like flat on top, basically. That's probably my favorite style, whatever you would call that.

Walker (136:59)

I like, you know, honestly, like, and I've lived in Chicago for a while, I would still take thin crust pizza over deep dish. Like, deep dish is nice. But we digress. You know what I think we wrap up on here? Is Captain out there in the audience brought up NOSTR algorithms and pushing for more devs to build Noster algorithms. And I'm curious, what kind of algorithm do you want to have on nostr? Because they're useful. Algorithms are not inherently bad. What an algorithm, it's just a set of steps, right? That's all that it is. It's just a set of steps that decide something. Now of course, like any tool, they can be abused and have been by centralized platforms. But I'm curious, what are you like, what are you looking for in an algorithm on Noster?

Tatum Turnup (137:50)

So the problem with is that I'm not fully aware of how social media algorithms work because you can, on X, like you can, you can go through and like, and bookmark, maybe even repost like three or four different posts that kind of have the same, you know, idea around it or whatever. And sometimes not even the text, it's like just stuff in the image or whatever. And so I'm curious how much they use like AI and stuff to drive their algorithm. But the, there's. The main thing that I think would be best is if like I have opt in algorithms and I could define what topics I want in. Yeah in those algorithms. Like basically like a kind of like a little bit. This is a rough example, but kind of like how they set up communities on X where you have a community that is called, you know, Bitcoin memes or something like that and you can literally just slide over from your following tab to your Bitcoin memes community tab and then that's where you start seeing all that stuff. But I think it's just something that I want to be able to define and not have something come in externally to change that, I guess.

Walker (139:21)

Agreed. Well and I think that that's the beauty of no str. It's all going to be optionality, it's all going to be opt in. For me, I think the easiest algorithm to implement for any Noster client is an old school Twitter style, in case you missed it feed. That's the easiest one because that's the thing that people complain about. The one thing they will complain about on Noster is oh well, if you're not there, it's a chronological feed. So like, you know, if, if you miss it, you miss it.

Tatum Turnup (139:49)

Unless somebody's, unless someone reposted or something like that. But like also the trending things. I think, I think trending is not inherently bad unless there were manipulations that go on it like say that, say that I post something that gets, you know, 25 reposts in the course of an hour or something like that. I don't care what it is. If that's what you know, the general consensus is talking about, I would like to see that just in case it's something That I like, because everyone was, you know, encouraging it or something like that.

Walker (140:26)

Yeah, no. And you know, Tatum, I could. I could honestly do another hour of this, but I've had probably 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. I had like seven mega lights in the course of this conversation.

Tatum Turnup (140:39)

Oh, well, I'm only at 4. I gotta catch.

Walker (140:41)

I might burst soon. So we're gonna call it. We're gonna call it.

Tatum Turnup (140:45)

That's good. My dad's text me. He's like, dude, I'm hungry. I was like.

Walker (140:48)

He's like, tatum, why are you still talking about nips in there? Tatum, thank you for being here. Thanks for sticking it out with me. Thank you to everybody who came here on the live stream. We still got a solid number of viewers, so thank you guys for being here. I appreciate all of you. And yeah, if you, if you find this valuable, consider giving value back by zapping myself or anyone else who is in this show. And I appreciate you guys being here. And you feel free to not zap us too, because bitcoin doesn't care. But I care about you guys and I appreciate you all being here. Tatum, I appreciate you. I'm going to hit the end record button here in a second. We're going to drop off the live stream. Stay for one more second afterwards so that I can make sure it uploads. See everybody. Peace. And that's a wrap on this bitcoin talk episode of the bitcoin podcast. If you are a bitcoin only company interested in sponsoring the bitcoin podcast, head to bitcoin podcast.net sponsor or send an email to helloitcoinpodcast.net if you are enjoying enjoying the bitcoin podcast and find it valuable, give it a boost on Fountain a five star review wherever you're listening. Or better yet, share this show with your network so more people can learn about bitcoin. Or don't. Bitcoin doesn't care, but I sure do appreciate it. You can grab links in the show notes to watch or list this show wherever you get your podcasts or go to bitcoin podcast.net podcast and you'll also find the links to follow me and the show on no and on X. Bitcoin is scarce. There will only ever be 21 million. But Bitcoin podcasts are abundant. So thank you for spending your scarce time to listen to the bitcoin podcast. Until next time, stay free.