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What if there was NO MORE INFLATION? - BITCOIN SHOOTER (THE Bitcoin Podcast)
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Shooter
I realized those are the two components of the film. It's inflation and bitcoin. And so for inflation, I really wanted to show what life looks like under different intensities of inflation. So I interview people from Western countries. Usa, we have Sweden, Canada, but then Jamaica, double digit inflation. Argentina, triple digit inflation. Venezuela, quadruple digit inflation. And all of this culminates in the understanding that this is what happens to money. You know, you think in the US that it's not going to get like this, but it will get like this. And if you just think about it, the price of things always goes up. And if it keeps going up, how can it not end up this way? And so I really wanted to take viewers through that to see how life changes and then to understand that this has happened to every money in human history. And so that was kind of the inflation story. And then of course, like, why is this happening? Right? And again, I've experienced this with people in person. I say, it's money printing. That's all it is. It's just because they're printing more money, right? And they would say, well, why do they keep printing it? It's like, yeah, okay, that's where it gets dark, you know. And so the film goes into that too, is why we're printing money. And it touches on war and health and food and foreign aid and bailouts of, you know, banking and Covid. And so that was kind of, I felt like the whole story of inflation, we're suffering, it's going to get worse. This is why it's happening and this is what it's, you know, paying for. So when you look at that price of milk and it's gone up, that is what you're paying for all of these things, right? And so I wanted to put the viewer in a dark place because it is a dark place. Like, if I didn't know about bitcoin and I knew about all these problems, I would be absolutely depressed. I think most bitcoiners will tell you that. I mean, you might even contemplate not having children because it's like, okay, things are going to get worse. I'm already struggling. Why am I going to bring children into this world so that they can struggle even more? Like, what is their future even going to look like? So I wanted to get that across to people. And what that does, though, is it perfectly segues into bitcoin. Because if inflation is just because of money printing, what if there's a money that can't be printed, right? And so that's how we Segue into Bitcoin.
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Walker
Greetings and salutations my fellow plebs. My name is Walker and this is the Bitcoin Podcast. The bitcoin time chain is 870989 and the value of one bitcoin is still one bitcoin. Today's episode is Bitcoin Talk where I talk with my guest about bitcoin and whatever else comes up today. My guest is the legendary Bitcoin Shooter. Shooter is an incredibly talented filmmaker and he's about to release his biggest and best film yet. No More Inflation.
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Unknown
I got a chance to see an.
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Walker
Early cut of the film before we recorded together and in my humble opinion it is the best bitcoin documentary I have seen yet. I highly recommend you go to nomoreinflation.com and support shooter by buying the film. We cover a lot in this episode to give you a deep dive into the filmmaking process. How he structured the film to talk about inflation first and bitcoin second and also had time for FUD busting and getting rid of the notion that bitcoin and crypto are the same thing. We also get into some of the stories of the wide range of people he interviewed while making the film and why people need to see this film now more than ever, plus a whole lot more. I think you are going to love this conversation. Shooter is an awesome guy and again go to nomoreinflation.com to pre order the film which drops on November 21st. Then, I don't know, show it to your family at Thanksgiving. It will be sure to get the conversation started before we dive into Me a favor and subscribe to the Bitcoin Podcast wherever you're watching or listening. Check out bitcoin podcast.net for episodes and additional resources. Head to the Show Notes to grab a referral link for my sponsor Bitbox or go directly to bitbox.swiss walker and use promo code walker for 5% off the fully open source Bitcoin only Bitbox O2 hardware wallet. Then get your bitcoin off the exchange and into your own self custody. Send an email to helloitcoinpodcast.net if you have feedback or if you're interested in sponsoring the Bitcoin Podcast. And if you find this show valuable, consider giving value back by giving a zap on no or a boost on Fountain. I really appreciate it. Without further ado, let's get into this Bitcoin talk with Bitcoin Shooter.
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Unknown
See, this is why I need like you know Joe Rogan's got like His. What's his name? Jamie. Like, he's got, like, his guy, you know, that's what I need. Definitely am not even close to big enough to justify any kind of help like that, but, you know, a guy can dream anyway.
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Shooter
Yeah, man, Someday. That's how all these things happen, you know, It's. I mean, even Joe Rogan, right? It was like years and years and years of him just doing it for fun, and then somehow it's like the most influential platform. So it.
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Walker
It's.
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Unknown
It's insane that he has the audience that he does, and the fact that he was like, okay, he's a reality TV show host. He's an MMA guy. Like, he's just a dude, you know, like, he's ju. Just a normal guy, but just was like, I'm going to get a couple microphones, just start talking to people. I forgot, you know, comedian, too. I've noticed that as well. It's like, a lot of comedians do really well with podcasts, I think, because they're like, you got to be pretty damn smart to be a comedian. Like, even if you act like an idiot, like, it's. It's tough to write jokes, like, and it's tough to do it all the time in front of people. But, like, I think that's a. Like, it's no coincidence that comedians. Podcasts tend to kind of crush it. Like, they. I don't know, they help people open up a little bit more, too, I think.
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Shooter
Yeah, and they're quick. They're usually witty and, like, you know, can come up with things. And, I mean, they just make connections in their brain, I think, quickly. And so. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think that makes sense.
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Unknown
Well, and you're, you know, so we're here. And look at that. See, this is. This is why I wanted to make sure we had the live stream and hello to anyone who's listening.
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Walker
There's 34 of them right now.
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Unknown
I have to imagine that number will grow. But you're somebody who. You actually talk to people all the time as part of filmmaking now. You do it usually off camera, you know, Like, I always know there's a. Whenever there's a great answer in your work, it's like, you know that the question you set them up with must have been good, because you don't get good answers without good questions. But, yeah, we've got a lot to dig into today, so. No more inflation. Your film. Multiple years of pretty insanely tough work going all over the place. There's a whole bunch of different sides. This I want to dig into with you, but maybe just like, for folks who don't know you, because you do keep a pretty low profile. For folks who do not know bitcoin shooter, can we just start out with who are you? How did you get here today to become bitcoin shooter? To become this master filmmaker, to be making a film about inflation and about bitcoin? What was that Journey to getting here?
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Shooter
Yeah, so I always had a passion for videography or filmmaking. You know, when I was like, eight years old, one of my best friend's mom had a camcorder, and we used to make stupid little videos, you know, like some of his stuffed animals being a murderer or whatever, you know. And so I think what I liked about it was when people would watch what we made, typically we were making funny things so they would laugh or whatever. And so I think I got a kick out of making people feel a certain way. And then as I got older, you know, I got interested in photography and all these things I kind of just learned on my own. I didn't necessarily go to school for it. And then, you know, I started making. I made a film for a business, like a short video, like a commercial, almost for free. And somebody asked me to. And then, you know, that led to someone else seeing that, and then they wanted me to do it, so I charged them a little bit. And then, you know, long story short, over the years, I just kind of kept doing that. And so getting into bitcoin, you know, my brother was the one that really orange pilled me. He had kind of heard about it a few times, you know, years before, and then he saw It's Funny, It's Full Circle now, but he saw Banking on Bitcoin on Netflix, and that was really like the thing that I call the Orange Pill, which is when you have that. That spark inside of you to want to learn more about bitcoin, right? Like, you can't stop yourself from wanting to learn more. You're. You can't. You're seeking information after that. So that's what kind of, kind of sparked that in him. And then, you know, years later, he finally got through to me on it, and. And then my own, you know, journey was really listening to a lot of Max and Stacy, and at the time, they were doing the Orange Pill podcast, and they were doing the stuff on RT and they were doing the Fuck Elon tour. And so I had reached out during one of their live streams saying, hey, I got a ticket to the event. And, you know, I'm a Filmmaker. And if you don't have a cameraman already, like, I'll do it for free, you know. And so, yeah, that was kind of my first step into the bitcoin space. And never had gone to any sort of events or met other bitcoiners really, besides that. And at that point, I started to really see the biggest value of bitcoin was meeting all of these other people that, like, were going through so many of the things that I was going through, from, you know, inflation and, you know, cost of living to the COVID things that were happening and the political things around Black Lives Matter. And, like, I just met so many people that, like, I'm like, dude, you're just like me. Like, you're. We're living the same life. And so anyway, the last stop on the tour they did was El Salvador. And that was the first time Max and Stacy had gone to El Salvador. So I went with them. We filmed a couple of kaiser reports there, and that exposed me to El Salvador. And while I was there, I met a lot of Salvadorans and I was hearing about the history of the country, which I had no idea about. And then for the first time ever, I just really. I was infected. Like, I couldn't stop thinking about it. And I felt like, you know what? Maybe I should put some type of video or film together. Like, you know. And so I spent a year kind of doing that on my own. And I produced a 10 minute short film called Comeback country, which goes from, like, you know, the civil war of El Salvador.
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Unknown
That's awesome. For anyone that hasn't, I'll link it in the show notes because it's like, I watched. I was like, damn. I think that was the. That might have been the first one of your films that I. That I saw. And I was like, oh, man. Like, this is. This is different than the other bitcoin documentary type things I've seen before. Continue. But just wanted to throw that out there for people. It's awesome.
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Shooter
Yeah, thanks. I think what was best about it was I found myself when I was going back to the country. After that, I was able to connect with Salvadorans much better. Even on the airplane on the way there, you know, because I would say, oh, yeah, you're going over. You live there. Oh, yeah, my family lives there. But I haven't been there in, like, 10 years. And I'm like, yeah, I know. I know why, right? You have all this, and you start to build that. And so that was one of the best feedback I've gotten from other People that watched the film that were like, hey, now that I've seen it and when I go there, like, I can actually talk to these people about it and they have a greater appreciation. So I published that and then Naibu Kelly retweeted it and so that kind of created a lot more awareness about what I was doing. And a lot of people in the bitcoin space were kind of telling me like, dude, like, you should really consider making a full length film, you know. And so the 10 minute film was the longest thing I had ever done up to that point. And so, yeah, so after that I really started planning the film, which was October 2024. I started planning it and then announced it in January, started filming April 23rd and then, yeah, wrapped up filming a few months ago and was editing throughout the whole process. And so, yeah, that's kind of. I've been interested in film ever since I was young. I was doing it, you know, professionally for businesses and then, yeah, through, you know, Proof of Work and Hustle and luck, you know, I think luck plays some a factor in there. You know, I was able to work on this film for the last two years and really the goal was to try to produce like, you know, the bitcoin standard of films. You know, everybody I took, I've learned so much from the bitcoin standard and I've bought that book for many people, but most people don't read it, you know. And so I saw this as like a step before that. You know, a film was a lot easier to ask someone to watch it. It's more entertaining and I think it can spark that desire inside of someone to say, okay, I'm starting to see what this thing is and I'm willing to dedicate more time, you know, to reading a book. And so, yeah, that was really the goal of this film was to give the average person the whole picture so they could see the whole picture of, you know, what's going on with the money being broken and how bitcoin can fix it and maybe why some of the things that they've heard before may not be true. And so, yeah, that's what I set out to do and I feel like I accomplished it. So, yeah, it's a really great feeling.
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Unknown
So you, and you said you started working on the film in October 2022. So it's been like this is an over two year process between. I mean, you've been obviously all over the world. Thank you for letting me watch the rough cut of it. I was watching it last Night and just like goosebumps on multiple occasions. It's extremely powerful. I'm stoked for more people to be able to watch it. Did you go to film school or have formal training or were you self taught?
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Shooter
Yeah, self taught. I mean, mostly through making mistakes, you know, as I was working on it. So no, no film school. And I think that's probably one of the reasons why, like people say I have a kind of a style. Like if they see something, they kind of go like, ah, I think that's. Oh, that is you. I thought that was your work, you know, so I think maybe that's a reason why. But you know, maybe again, I don't have any experience, but if it's like any other type of schooling, you know, I think maybe you have to unlearn a lot of things, you know, to actually stand out. So no, I was always drawn towards human stories and telling human stories whenever I would work with businesses. You know, it's like, let's not do a commercial, man. Like, let's make a short film. What's the most inspiring story that you got? Whether it's your founder or somebody that works on your product line or a customer, like, let's tell that story so that people get drawn in by the story. And then it just so happens that, you know, it's related to this, to this business. So no, no film school. Just, just tinkering and making mistakes and, and then at the end of the day, like, just building the confidence to understand that, you know, people like my work for me, you know, when you're looking at my film, you're, you're seeing something through my brain essentially. And so just trusting that and, and, and not trying to be so technical, like, and, you know, having check sheets and things like, oh, I need to do this every single time, flowing with it and being present and, you know, and just allowing myself to be the filter that people like to see, you know, a film through. So yeah, just all personal experience really is how I got here.
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Unknown
I mean, I think you're right about the unlearning part of a lot of formalized education, especially when it's with something creative. Because so much of that's just got to come from you, right? Like, you can't, I mean, you can give somebody the tools to find, you know, little ways to be more creative or to get some, but it's like some of that's just got to be inside you. Like, you've just got to, you've got to have that and you've got to have that desire and that drive. It's like otherwise you can, you can kind of tell when somebody's trying to be creative versus somebody who is creative. Like, there's a disconnect otherwise. And I think it's interesting about the bitcoin standard. I've given that book to a lot of folks too. Not sure how many of them actually went and sat down. Read it. Because you're right. Like that's a, you know, giving somebody a book. Even though it's like a book that, you know, bitcoiners are like, you know, yeah, you know, read it a few times. Like, you know, always give it out. It's like in reality, not everybody has the attention span to sit down and do that. And when you give somebody a book, it's like, you know, you're giving them homework. Almost like you're giving them something they have to now. Okay, I've got to, I've got to.
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Walker
Read this whole damn book.
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Unknown
Like, okay, thanks a lot. Like, but a film and a story and stories about people, not just technical jargon, but stories about people. I think that reaches across, like, I should say that that has the ability to reach into everyone. Because everybody's going to find someone in your film that they say, oh, like I, I feel that. Cuz you go, you go in a lot of different directions in terms of where you are, in terms of who you're talking to, in terms of the stories that they're telling. And I'm kind of curious, like, how, when you were planning this out, how did you go about, like, did you already kind of know, okay, I want to go to these countries, I want to, you know, talk to these kind of people. Like, how did, how did that process even work? Because obviously two years, that's like, you had to put a lot of work into this.
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Walker
How did you even.
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Unknown
How did you start?
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Shooter
Yeah, so when I was setting out to make the film, I wanted to, you know, have the biggest impact possible. And I knew that bitcoin was definitely the thing that would have the biggest impact. You know, I think that's what the world needs most right now. And so that was nice because creative stuff, if there's infinite possibilities, it's really hard to be creative. Right. Like, once you start setting things in stone, then actually the creative process comes in. Right. Being resourceful and like focusing on certain things. And so I knew it was going to be bitcoin related. And then I was, you know, the rabbit hole is already so rich. In my opinion. I'm a testament to that you're a testament to that once you have that spark, like I was saying, you, there's, there's plenty of information there for people. And so the. What I thought is, you know, I need to try to reach people outside of the bitcoin bubble. I need to trip them into the rabbit hole and then let the rabbit hole do its thing. And so I was trying to think what is the most relatable angle into bitcoin? Because all of this stuff really comes down to relatability. And it's one of the reasons why I interviewed so many just regular people, because my audience is regular people. And so you're going to connect with another regular person. And so inflation. What became clear that that was the topic because I found myself when I was at like the cashier at a grocery store, for example, and I was. Had a bitcoin thing on and the cashier asked me, oh, this bitcoin thing. So is it like a real deal or something? You know, And I realized I have like 5 or 10 seconds with this person, right? So it's like, what do you even say to that? And so I found eventually I had distilled that response to, okay, what? Imagine if the price of everything stayed the same. Does that sound good? You know, and people always like, yeah, that sounds great. You know, I say that's what bitcoin is. Bitcoin is a world with no more inflation. There's a lot of reasons why that is and you should really look into that. But that's what it is, that's what it promises. And so I just found that for the average person, they understood that and they could see that as like a hopeful thing to look forward to. And so, so from there I realized those are the two components of the film. It's inflation and bitcoin. And so for inflation, I really wanted to show what life looks like under different intensities of inflation. So I interview people from Western countries. Usa, we have Sweden, Canada, but then Jamaica, double digit inflation. Argentina, triple digit inflation. Venezuela, quadruple digit inflation. And all of this culminates in the understanding that this is what happens to money. You know, you think in the US that it's not going to get like this, but it will get like this. And if you just think about it, the price of things always goes up. And if it keeps going up, how can it not end up this way? And so I really wanted to take viewers through that to see how life changes and then to understand that this has happened to every money in human history. And so that was kind of the inflation story. And then of course, like, why is this happening? Right? And again, I've experienced this with people in person. I say, it's money printing. That's all it is. It's just because they're printing more money, right? And they would say, well, why do they keep printing it? It's like, yeah, okay, that's where it gets dark, you know. And so the film goes into that too, is why we're printing money. And it touches on war and, you know, health and food and foreign aid and bailouts of banking and Covid. And so that was kind of. I felt like the whole story of inflation, we're suffering, it's going to get worse. This is why it's happening and this is what it's paying for. So when you look at that price of milk and it's gone up, that is what you're paying for all of these things, right? And so I wanted to put the viewer in a dark place, because it is a dark place. Like, if I didn't know about bitcoin and I knew about all these problems, I would be absolutely depressed. I think most bitcoin will tell you that. I mean, you might even contemplate not having children because it's like, okay, things are going to get worse. I'm already struggling. Why am I going to bring children into this world so that they can struggle even more. Like, what is their future even going to look like? So I wanted to get that across to people. And what that does, though, is it perfectly segues into bitcoin. Because if inflation is just because of money printing, what if there's a money that can't be printed, right? And so that's how we segue into bitcoin. But of course, you can't just mention that in a film without addressing the preconceived notions that people have about bitcoin. The common objections, right? So, like, it's complicated to use. It's too volatile. It's only for criminals, right? It's bad for the earth. The government's going to shut it down. So I felt like I needed to address all of these things. So, anyway, so part of that, you know, this all happened over time, right? Planning and thinking and researching and shifting things. And then, you know, but for example, in the energy segment, I wanted to not necessarily go on and fight on the grounds that have been defined already. Like, hey, let me tell you why bitcoin mining isn't polluting the Earth, right? I don't want to address that. All I want to do is show you an example of a situation where it's actually reducing the pollution. And let me show you an example of how it's actually bringing energy to people. So even though you might have heard other things, you haven't heard about these things and maybe that should show you that there's more that you should look into. So one of the things I wanted, you know, when I was doing the research, like what are good things that bitcoin mining is doing? I saw a common thing was, you know, what gridless was doing out there in Africa. And I was reading, I was like, this is amazing. You know, they're giving cheaper power to people and bringing people to the first, you know, power for the first time. And so I saw it was gridless and I looked and saw that, you know, the CEO was going to go speak at Bitcoin Miami 2023. And so I went over there, sat in at his talk, you know, and then afterwards like approached him, hey man, I'm making a movie. I love what you're doing over there. I want to come out there. When's a good time for me to come out there, you know. And so that's just kind of how all these things happen. Where I planned it, I would do research, I would kind of figure out some stories I wanted to tell and then, you know, I would, I would figure out how to, how to, how to schedule them. So yeah, that's kind of the process.
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Walker
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Unknown
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Walker
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Unknown
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Walker
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Unknown
I mean, so does a lot of it, like you set out these kind of like, okay, this is the basic structure I want and I think that the structure that you had in terms of. Let's define the problem first. Make sure we all agree on what the problem is.
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Walker
We all agree that inflation's a problem.
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Unknown
I mean, except for like a few fiat economists like Paul Krugman, you know, oh, inflation's actually a good thing. But every normal person does not want things to keep getting more expensive forever. They don't want their money to continue buying less forever. And that's how you set it up. And you set it up with just some like really powerful interviews of like you said, you know, reg, like just normal people. How, how did you find these, like, just random people? Were these people that, like, did you put out any sort of like a call for this? Did you just like go around and find people like, how does that process work for like a documentary filmmaker like that? How do you find the average person and know that they're going to be like, tell this amazing story?
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Shooter
Yeah, well, you have to do a lot of interviews. But of course the good thing is that there's bitcoiners everywhere. So pretty much everywhere I went. Even with Jamaica, there's not a whole lot of bitcoin action going on there. But Dread is a developer in the space. He's doing Flash and he's part of Open sats and stuff like that. And so when I had kind of focused on Jamaica, he helped connect me to some people that could help bring in lots of regular people. And so I probably interviewed a dozen people in Jamaica, of which you hear from four people. Argentina, I interviewed like 25 people. Because again, you just don't really know. You don't really know anyone's story until you actually sit down and talk to them. So it was a lot of that, tapping into a bitcoiner who was from the area and then having them help kind of like line up interviews and things like that. And then some of them are just luck. While I'm actually there, I come across somebody, for example, in Argentina, one of the interviewees I met the day before I left or two days before I left, and he lived an hour and a half Outside of Buenos Aires. I was like, dude, can I come out tomorrow? Like, let's just. Let's just film this thing, you know. And so some of them were lucky like that, where it just stayed open and stayed, you know, available and just made it happen. But, yeah, mostly it's just capturing a lot of content, a lot of interviews, and then, yeah, trimming it down to, you know, the cream of the crop.
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Unknown
What I thought was just incredible about this film is that, like, I think this is going to go down as, like, the most comprehensive. Like, yeah, it's a bitcoin film, but, you know, you don't get into bitcoin until a little ways into it. But you talk about the problems and not just, okay, inflation, grocery prices are up. Like, you have Gladstein in there talking about monetary colonialism. You have all these different things. I mean, you're talking about, you know, fiat being used to fund war. You're talking about the, you know, and stop me if I'm starting to give, you know, too much away, that explaining it is not going to spoil anything because I. My words could never do it justice. But you're talking about the health system. You're talking about all these different things. All these different things that broken money also breaks. And I think that it's like. It's so comprehensive in terms of that. Like, it's amazing that you fit it into the time that you did, because these are not. These are not small topics. These are, like. These are the biggest topics, right? These are the topics. And there were, like a couple of quotes in there, too. Even you mentioned deciding maybe not to have kids just because, like, monetary stress is so high. And there was a quote in there about, like, before we even enter this world, we've already been impacted by money. Just because if you're, you know, the mother that's carrying you is stressing about money, like, that stress goes into you. And that was just such a. I thought, such a powerful thing, especially as, like, a new dad. Just thinking about that. Like, man, it is wild. I mean, money is something, you know, what's the saying? Like, you know, death and taxes are the, you know, the two, like, certainties in life. But it's like, man, even before you're born, this broken money can affect you. And that just, like, it's just kind of messed up. Like, was there, as you were going through this, like, was it hard to hear some of these stories? Because some of them. Some of them were, like, you could tell people were really, really hurting.
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Shooter
Yeah, it's crazy, man. Because I definitely. I shed tears, for sure, you know, throughout the whole process. I mean, whether it was during the interview or. And. Or, like, editing. But it was on both ends of the spectrum. You know, some stories were incredibly sad, and some stories were incredibly hopeful. You know, I mean, like, after I interviewed some of those farmers in Kenya that had gotten power for the first time, and you hear about a guy who used to spend two hours with a machete chopping food for his cows, and now he does it in 10 minutes. And I didn't touch on the film, but also the cows eat a higher percentage of the food because it's being ground up so well with the little saw that he's got with energy. So he's becoming so much more efficient. And then another woman farmer was talking about the power of just having light bulbs and her kids being able to study at night without their eyes burning from the kerosene candles. And so a lot of times in the moment, you know, I'm in the moment, I'm having a good conversation with them, and they're hopeful now, so they're not sad about it, you know, but sitting in the truck on the way back, it's just, like, overcome with emotion, you know, like, wow, this is so crazy. And these people don't even know what bitcoin is. They don't know what bitcoin mining is. They have no idea that it's actually the thing that brought them this. So, yeah, it was. It was. It was hard to listen to some of the stories. But even those sad stories, I could tell, after people talked about it, I could tell they had a little bit of a weight lifted off of them, because I don't think it's something you really talk to people about. You know, if this didn't make it into the film, but I'll release it as a separate cut. But a woman from South Sudan lived through hyperinflation, talking about waking up, you know, going to sleep. A bottle of water is 2 pounds, 2 Sudanese pounds. And you wake up and it's 5 pounds. And then it just keeps going up, and people are drinking out of the Nile river and then getting typhoid and getting cholera, and then you don't have money to go to the hospital, so then you go rob and steal, you know, and she's like, what would you do if your kids are crying because they're hungry? You know, and it's like, yeah, yeah, I would. I probably would. I probably would steal, you know, and so. But I don't think she talks to People about that, you know, and talk. And she talked about living, like, staying because there was a war going on at the same time, too. And like, staying under the bed for two weeks with biscuits and water, it's like. So it was hard to hear those things. But I also feel like for those people, it was kind of therapeutic to share that story, too. So in so many ways, it was a beautiful film. I mean, even, like, if it didn't see the light of day and no one else, you know, saw this and benefited from the stories that I'm sharing, I think, you know, just me meeting those people and them meeting me, and I think it's. It was good for everybody. And one thing I want to touch on too, is one thing I like best about the film is that it is perfect for a normal person to watch and to understand. Everything's very simple. There's not very, you know, big terms that are being used. And anytime there is a term that is being used that I think the average person doesn't understand will have, like, a little, you know, definition of it so that you can keep following along. But for the most seasoned bitcoiner, there's always. There's also going to be stuff in there that. That you enjoy and appreciate. Like that Seb Bunny quote that you mentioned about being impacted before you're even born. And then, you know, maybe you've never been to North Dakota or you've never seen a mining operation off of flare gas, you know, and so I think that's what I like most about it is it's a film for the average person, but it's also a film for, like, the Cypher Punk. You know what I mean? And so, yeah, and again, that's why I led with inflation, too, because, you know, I. In my opinion, if bitcoin's in the title, you might scare people off before they even start. But if it's about inflation, yeah, probably you get most people dragged into that, you know, and then. And then, you know, bring in the bitcoin. So, yeah, anyway, long and short, yes, it was difficult to listen to some of those, but in the end, it was. Even the hardest stories were beautiful, man. It just. It's almost like we turned it into something beautiful. So it was really rewarding.
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Unknown
And those stories, like, they. They need to be told too, right? And it doesn't matter if you're hearing about, you know, a farmer in Kenya or somebody in, you know, la. It's like you find parts of that.
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Walker
Person'S story that you can relate to.
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Unknown
Even if you're different than that person. Like, that's the beauty of good storytelling, which I think you've clearly become a master of. Like, everyone can find a piece of themselves in it. And I think that's what matters because that's what draws you into it. Because you see something of yourself, of your own experience. And then once you see that, you know, then you start bringing it to Bitcoin. And it, you know, like, I'll be honest, like, the first part of it, there's some of those stories are like, they're heavy, you know, and then you start to switch a little bit more towards, okay, we all agree, right, this is a problem. And it's a really, really big problem. But then you switch that focus a little bit and you start bringing it to Hope you give. Like, this isn't just a doom. This isn't a doom and gloom documentary. This is ultimately a really hopeful message. And so can you. What I thought was great that you did was you do a lot of. It's not just, okay, here's what bitcoin is, you know, you know, here's the blockchain, the time chain, you know, here, you know, and if Alice wants to send Bob some, you know, no, it's relatable, it's easy to understand, but you also do some FUD busting in it. You go down some of the common misconceptions. So can you talk about that a little bit? Just how you decided to kind of go through that FUD busting exercise? And really, like, like, at the end, it's pretty hard to argue with once you've kind of made your point on those.
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Shooter
Yeah, again, it was really just identifying the most common objections that I would find with people. And also you see them online. I feel like we talk about the same things over and over again to a certain extent. And so in that way, it's like, okay, this is the foundation of. This is the baseline information. Someone needs to know before they can really start to be like, okay, maybe this thing isn't what I thought it was. And so, yeah, again, the FUD I addressed was it being complicated to use. And so, like, I mean, literally most people don't even know what it looks like to make a lightning payment. You know what I mean? They don't. Like, it's just so abstract still. And so just literally the 10 seconds or 15 seconds of the film where there's nobody talking and you can see someone pressing the app icon and pressing $5 and create invoice and then someone else scanning it I think, like, that alone is just profound to show people that, look how easy this is, you know, and then, you know, we go into a Salvadoran who's getting remittance payments in bitcoin instead of waiting in line for hours and maybe not getting his cash. And so, again, I was going through each of these FUD points and just showing stories of this person is literally living proof that it's not difficult to use, you know, and also we, in that same regard, too, there's a story about somebody who was trying to buy an expensive vase overseas. And like, you know, anybody who's trying to send wires overseas knows it takes forever, it costs a lot of money. And with bitcoin, it's like, it's so much easier than a wire. And so, yeah, that's really, you know, through the rest of the FUD points, that's how I addressed it, was just find a story that, you know, contradicts what people have heard and let's tell that story. So, yeah, complexity of the usage of it, the energy. Right. It being for criminals, which is so funny because, like, the criminal thing, Alex Gladstein has a great quote. He's like, what's a criminal? Right. Yeah. If you're in a country and the government doesn't like you and they deem you a criminal, it's like, you know, it's. It's completely subjective. So. So, yeah, so again, it was just identifying the most common objections that I know people will have and then telling a story that makes them. That would make them think about that again and maybe say, you know, okay, obviously I didn't hear this story before. You know, I must be missing something. And, you know, again, like, no one can fully explain bitcoin in any book, in any film, in any one course. And I knew that. And so one thing I like is that it does leave room for people to go do their own research, you know, And I don't really see this as something I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. All I'm trying to do is share the stories that helped me, and hopefully it'll help you too, you know, and ultimately, the film really ends on a note of response to self responsibility. You know, it comes down to taking responsibility. And, you know, and any questions you have about bitcoin have been answered, but you have to go and seek those answers for yourself. And so I like that. I never want to, you know, make people think I'm trying to brainwash them or, you know, I have an agenda or I'm trying to Pump my bags, like, no, I just want to share these stories. And so, yeah, I think I answered your question. I'm not sure.
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Unknown
You absolutely did. And I gotta say, the part about the FUD busting about criminals was, I think, my favorite part of the FUD busting. I liked all of them. Like, I loved seeing Tarantula out there, you know, in the fields, because he's just a badass dude. And, like, what a great guy. And, like, that was awesome that you got him in there. But the criminals part, I've got to say, was just amazing because you start, you know, you throw out that clip that everyone probably has seen. And if not, you'll see it in the film about Jamie Dimon. He's at, like. I think he was at Davos, right? And he was on the CNBC panel. You know, Joe Kernan's there, and he's blustering about, oh, well, what is this? It's just basically only used by criminals. That's the only reason it exists. Those are the only transactions that are on there. And so they're not even legitimate and rubbing. And Joe Kernan comes back at him, and he comes back at him pretty hard. He's basically like, well, actually, the choice currency for criminals is the US Dollar. And God bless Joe Kernan. That dude, he's super based. But I loved that criminals part because if all you've ever done is read mainstream news or read it or watch it, whatever it might be, you legitimately probably think that. Because that's all you've ever seen is.
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Walker
A bunch of people who are very.
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Unknown
Important and authoritative telling you that it's just used by criminals. But then, as you mentioned, the Gladstein part, which was amazing, and he said something about, like, it's money for criminals, like it is for criminals, because anyone can be a criminal. It just depends what your government decides. And you get into the. I love that you got into the Canadian trucker protests.
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Walker
That was awesome.
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Unknown
And there was a lot of. A lot of stuff in there that just, like some of the footage you had that I just, like, had not even, you know, obviously hadn't seen before, that was really powerful. Can you talk about that part a little bit? Because it seemed you. I think you might have spent a little bit more time on the criminal side of things than on some of the other FUD busting. It seemed. Maybe it was just my perception, but. But I liked that you did that because it allowed you to tell some really powerful stories about activists, about just normal people, like the Canadian truckers, like, that. That was really powerful.
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Shooter
Yeah, absolutely. I think it was an important story. I mean, I know I had. Especially going to El Salvador. Lots of Canadians moved to El Salvador after that event, because whether or not they actually had their bank account shut down, and there is an individual that did who does live in El Salvador now that I interviewed for the film. But I think they came to that realization of, like, whoa, I can just. They can just, you know, stop me from using my money. Like, how do you buy groceries? How do you pay for rent? Like, what do you do? And so I knew that that story had, you know, had. Was the reason why a lot of people woke up. And so I thought it was important to. To share that story because, again, it was the only money that got to the truckers. And still, you know. And still all that money that was confiscated is still confiscated. The GoFundMe stuff. And then. Yeah. And then, you know, just by luck, you know, Gladstein also talked a bit about, you know, he was descendant from, you know, people who fled Germany during World War II and how they couldn't bring their wealth with them. And, you know, I guess, technically, you'd be a criminal at that time in Germany, too, right, if you were just Jewish. And so. And so. Yeah. So I just thought it was important because it was one of the things that people hear a lot. I mean, the energy stuff, too, you know, but the criminal stuff, like, especially, like, it. You know, it gets talked about so much. And so I really just wanted to. And also use that opportunity to show that, hey, all you need are these 12 words, these 24 words. That's it. And that's what. So a lot of it was also figuring out where to place different important things about Bitcoin that people need to know and doing it strategically and not in a way that it's like, okay, let me tell you about the seed phrase and what it is and what it does, but more just putting it in a real situation and understanding that this is how it works in this situation. So I probably spent more time on it for that reason. And then also, making a film is kind of like making a sculpture. And when you. When you. When you make a sculpture out of, say, marble, you have to work with the marble. You may have a vision for it, but there are certain parts of the marble that are more dense than others, certain fissures and things that you just can't chip into if you want to. And so when you come across that, you have to shift your vision for the sculpture, and you have to make It a little bit different. And so part of the reason why it was longer in that section was probably for that reason, I just had more material there, you know, to work with. So. But I think all the FUD points are. Are equally important because someone can get stuck on any one of those, right? Where if they thought it was bad for energy, okay, it's not for criminals. Okay, that makes sense. Okay. It's easy to use. Okay. It's not volatile if you save it for the long term. Okay. But it's like, you know, if it's going to destroy the Earth, and I really don't care. So I think it's important to touch on all of those. But, yeah, that's probably why that criminal section was a little bit longer, just a little bit more material to work with. And just knowing that it was one of the main ones that, you know, people hear often.
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Unknown
I think that is such an important point that you mentioned about. Like, people just need one reason to say no. Right?
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Walker
Just.
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Unknown
And it doesn't make, like you said.
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Walker
Maybe they come around on.
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Unknown
On the. Okay, it's not used by criminals. Okay. It's actually pretty easy to use, but, you know, but it's burning the planet. I've been told by Greenpeace and, you know, and Elizabeth Warren that it's burning the planet. So I can't possibly support something that's so bad for the planet. And they'll use that. That'll just be their excuse. It's their sticking point. But if you take those away, you take away their ability to throw up obstacles, right? And ultimately, like, the funny thing about bitcoin is it's like, you know, you're not, like you said, you're not trying to sell anyone anything. You're not trying to, you know, pump your own bags. I'm not trying to pump my bags. With this podcast, the effect that we have on any bag pumping is minute, right? It's the reason we share these things, the reason that we, you know, want to tell stories. The reason you made this film is because you want people to know there is a solution out there. You want people to know that there is a way out of this pain of inflation that they're feeling. And so it's like. But it's kind of tough because you're like, okay, I've got to literally break down every wall that I know they're going to throw up. And one of the other ones that you dig into that I love that you did was you talk about bitcoin versus crypto and I wasn't sure if you were going to do that, but you do. And I thought that part was like all parts of this film. It was spot on. Can you talk about how you structured that? Because that is, I think it's one of the biggest confusions for people. And you know, all of the scammers out there that associate themselves with bitcoin, they don't make your job any easier as a filmmaker to try and tell the story of. No, look, these are different, right?
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Shooter
Yeah. I didn't want to leave an opportunity for crypto people to point to the film and then say, you see why, you know, we're into this. You see why bitcoin and these other things are good for the world, you know, and like, I try to be humble in that. Like, I think the best argument for crypto I've ever heard is that we shouldn't, we should develop in all areas we possibly can because we shouldn't discourage innovation because we don't know what will work in the end necessarily. And so I think, of course, 99.9% are flat out outright scams where people know it's a scam and they're just scamming on purpose. Maybe there's a small percentage that actually think they're doing something that could be meaningful. And so, I mean, anyway, but outside of that, it just seems like it's such a distraction to think about crypto. And again, I didn't want the film to be co opted by crypto. And so I thought it was important to touch on that and to present the best arguments against crypto. And so I think really the way I've led into those questions was, you know, I was asking, you know, some of the interviewees, like, people think bitcoin is, they describe it as digital gold. So like, you know, what's silver going to be? You know, and so that kind of helped really frame it up. But yeah, I think ultimately the consensus was that, you know, bitcoin's open source. And so if some other coin actually makes something that is valuable, it can pretty easily be rolled into bitcoin. And bitcoin is by far the largest network and money is a winner take all type of situation. So, yeah, I definitely, again, I wanted to touch on it because I thought it was important. I, I mean, I know people and I'm sure, you know, people that, you know, you talk to about bitcoin, they're like, oh, awesome, that's great. Yeah, I got a little bit of bitcoin. Then a year later, it's like, hey, how's it, you know, you still holding it? Like, oh, no, I sold it for this and that. And it's like, oh, God, man. So I thought it was important to touch on.
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Unknown
Oh, sorry. Yeah. Like, the other thing that they follow that up with is, oh, should I. Should I get some, like, should I get some Doge? Or have you heard of, you know, Sheba? Or like, whatever? And you're like, no, man. Did I tell you that or. Because I didn't. Like, I see that you saw that on Robinhood now. And now you think that that's going to be worth what bitcoin is someday and you are going to lose all your money. But okay, you know, do what you want.
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Shooter
Yeah. Yeah. So again, yeah, I think it was important to cover. And yeah, I. I think I did a good job. Probably, you know, you could get more detailed. And that's kind of one of the difficult things about making a film is like, so much of it is editing and cutting and so it's like, how much do you put in? How deep do you go down different rabbit holes? But yeah, ultimately, I think. I think it did a good job of summarizing why, you know, people, you know, most should just ignore crypto and focus on bitcoin. But yeah, I thought it. I thought it was important, you know, to put in there.
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Unknown
No, I think you did a great job. That. And again, it's like, I was. As the further I'm getting in the film, the more I'm getting blown away that you're actually, like, covering, you know, because as you, as you start to watch a film, you're like, oh, you know, I wonder if they'll get into, you know, whatever it might be like watching the, you know, the Satoshi Revealed documentary on hbo, like, you're wondering what they're going to get into. And like, God, your film could not be a starker contrast to that film in terms of the actual, like, real knowledge that you are giving people through stories rather than trying to have some sensationalized, you know, we found satoshi type thing. Like, this is a. This is a film that's going to help people. You know, it's entertaining too, no doubt. Like, you will be on the edge of your seat, but it's actually has a chance at helping people. I don't think that satoshi documentary is helping anyone, you know.
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Shooter
No. Yeah. I mean, the. The purpose of the films are completely different. Right. And I think it's a shame and it was a misstep because if you're Going to. If you're trying to go for shock value, right, like, and you're going to focus on who Satoshi is? I mean, you must realize that the bitcoin community in general is not that interested in that. Like, you know, I mean, already, like, from the announcement, like, people were already like, oh, you know, like, we already know how this ends. You don't know who it is. You know, nobody knows who it is. You think you're going to. HBO is going to do better investigation than an open source, you know, like, decentralized everyone around the world doing this. And so you don't get the bitcoin community interested in it. And then. So who are you catering to? You're catering to the average person. And then it's like, how interested is the average person in bitcoin right now anyway? Like, is it really going to draw them into the film if you're like, hey, we know who Satoshi is? Maybe some. But to me, it just felt like it was a film without an audience. And so. And again. And what was the point of it was to uncover who Satoshi is, but for what purpose, to what end? Why? You know, and so I think with my film, it's. It's much different, right? It's. The purpose of the film is to better understand inflation and to better understand bitcoin. And. And again, I. The best part is I think it caters to both audiences. The average person will learn more than they've learned probably their whole life, you know, in terms of learning something that actually can have a meaningful practical difference in their life, something they can actually do. And same thing for bitcoiners. I mean, some of the footage I released as I was making it, and so the Kenya stuff, I had released a good amount of the Kenya mining, bringing electricity to people for the first time. And I can't tell you how many bitcoiners messaged me like, dude, I had no idea that this was going on. And so I think that's, again, that's my favorite part about it, is that this is a film that you can watch as a bitcoiner and appreciate it, or you can watch it with your family and like, they're going to appreciate it and you're going to find new things there. And it is very dense. And I think it is one of those films that, you know, you can watch it multiple times and you'll catch new, profound quotes, you know, or. So. Yeah, it's been a lot of work. It's been a lot, a lot of work. But you Know, I think it, I think it will be timeless. I think it's a true asset. It will exist forever. And. Yeah, and that's one of the most beautiful things about making anything in Bitcoin is you have the ability, the potential to make something that is timeless. And yeah, man, I think, I think that's what I did.
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Unknown
Yeah, I agree as someone who's already started watching it again, because I was like, I know, I know I missed some stuff, you know, because I was taking my notes on the side and everything. And now I need to watch it again, just fully put everything else away, sit down and fully enjoy it. But, you know, I had to, I had to get my prep in to make sure, make sure I was ready for this. And I have honestly still quite a few topics I want to get into you, but get into it with you. But before we do, I do want to make sure we get this out there too. Just for people who may decide to turn off this interview partway through. But where are, where is this actually getting released? What is the release mechanism? How can people find this? How can they support it? What can they do?
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Shooter
Right, so nomoreinflation.com is where it'll be released. You can go there now and pre order the film. It'll be available to stream on nomoreinflation.com November 21, so a week before Thanksgiving. And so I think it's a really great film for Thanksgiving if you're the type of, you know, especially with the price now. I mean, you know, if you're going to be at Thanksgiving weekend or whatever and family members are going to be asking you about, oh, you know, you must be feeling pretty good. You know, bitcoin price is looking pretty good. I think this is the perfect opportunity and time to show them something like this. So, yeah, it'll be released on the website for now, when it's available, you know, each person that purchases will get a password. It'll give you access to the film for, you know, a few days where you can watch it and then that's where it'll live for now. You know, I have done some work to try to reach out to some platforms to see if they're interested in it. Nothing fruitful yet, but, you know, I think it's, I think it's a matter of time really before a Netflix or an HBO or something like that is interested in it. But for now, nomoreinflation.com self released. You know, basically this whole project's been all me. You know, I mean, I Travel with a few suitcases and a backpack. I, you know, set up the lighting, I set up the camera, I do all the audio, I do the interviews, I raise the money. I planned it, I built the website. Like, you know, so it is. And maybe that's one of the things too, that when you go to film school, maybe you think you need a big crew and you kind of get car compartmentalized into different roles. Like I'm an assistant camera, like I'm a cinematographer, you know, but this was just, you know, it's really one man. And I think that's one of the coolest things with it being released the way it is now is, you know, it's a way for people to directly support me, you know, an artist. And I hope that I can continue to make films like this. You know, I'm coming to a point in my life where I, you know, it's time to start a family and to have some, have some stability and stuff like that. So it would be a dream if I can continue to do this. But yeah, anyway, that's where it is on the website. And you know, ultimately though, I know the film will go far and wide. It's just a matter of time, you know, whether it's, that's me promoting it on a big platform, like a, you know, Joe Rogan type of thing, or it's a big platform picking it up. I knew when I was making the film, if I just make a great film and I make it undeniable, it'll just be a matter of time. And so, yeah, inflation's raging, Bitcoin's raging. It's entertaining. And so, yeah, anyway, no, moreinflation.com is where you want to go.
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Unknown
I love it. And I think this is actually the, when you're in that, you know, post Thanksgiving meal coma, this is the perfect thing. Toss it on the tv, you know, forget the football. Like, put on, put on no more inflation. That, that is, that is the move right there.
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Shooter
It's guaranteed to spark conversation. Like, I mean, again, like you were saying, there's so many topics that's covered there. There's something there for everybody, you know, like it's impossible that it's not going to spark a conversation. Like it's guaranteed or your money back, you know, like. But yeah, it's going to spark a conversation certainly.
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Unknown
And you know, I'm curious too about the. Because this is something that I would want as many people as possible to see and it's an incredibly well made film. Like, this is the quality of a film that you will see on Netflix, on Amazon, on whatever streaming service it is. What is that process, like, for actually getting that? Like, they have, like, a submission form that you go through. Like, is it just like a. Do you reach out to somebody? Is there any way that people who are listening to this, who, if they have some sort of connection, they can help you with that?
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Shooter
Yeah. So I think the only one that has a formal submission process is Angel Studios. So definitely when the film is done, I'll go through that process. HBO and Amazon, it's kind of like you have to know somebody. You know, it's a little bit of. There's gatekeepers there. And so, you know, one of the people in my film is Graham Hancock. Graham Hancock has a show on Netflix called Ancient Apocalypse. He just released season two of it. He's in the film talking about the same things that Alex Gladstein is in terms of, like, foreign aid and monetary colonialism. And actually. And the reason I've loved Graham Hancock for a long time and the work that he's done, but I didn't know that he wrote a book about foreign aid in 1989 until I read Alex Gladstein's book, where Alex Gladstein cited Graham Hancock's book many times. And so that's how I was able to get the interview with Graham is it was. I was approaching him about a topic he hadn't talked about in a while. So anyway, you know, I think to get to Netflix or hbo, you have to know somebody who knows somebody. You have to know a producer. You have to know, you know, somebody that. That works high, high up there. And so. So, yeah, anybody who's out there that works at Netflix, who works at hbo, who, you know, knows somebody. Yeah, I would say, you know, wait and watch the film first, and then if you can make a connection, then I'd be happy to do that. Because, again, I think the pitch for Netflix is solid. It's, again, like, if you're Netflix, what do you want? You want content that your viewers are going to relate with and appreciate, and you want, ideally, content that might bring in new users. You know, and so it's interesting when you have that stamp like that as soon as, like, Money Electric was announced, just the fact that it was an HBO film brought all of this attention and all of this interest. And so I think the pitch for Netflix is, like, how many of your users are feeling inflation right now? Right. How many of your users, like, might be interested in bitcoin, but just don't know how it works, you know, and then on top of that, if you release a film like this, you're likely going to have a lot of support from bitcoiners coming in, appreciating the fact that you're putting out a film like this. So it's going to serve probably 99.9% of your users already, and it's going to bring in people from probably the most passionate community in the world. Right. Maybe there's not as many bitcoiners as Nike customers, but, like, what are Nike customers like about Nike? That it makes them look cool, that it's like cool shoes. Like, that's cool. People can get passionate about that, but not the same kind of passion as money that can fix so many of these problems. So, again, I think. I think it's really. My job is done. My job is to make a film that is undeniable. And then from there, it's just a matter of time before somebody who knows somebody sees it and then sends it to somebody else. And then, you know, conversations happen. That's what I think. Unless there's some concerted effort by, I don't know who, you know, that really doesn't want this kind of message to get out there. But then still, like, I can totally see this being something that if, you know, Joe Rogan saw, like, let's say Adam Curry, right, The pod father knows Joe Rogan. If Adam Curry sees this and is like, joe, this is what I've been trying to explain to you about bitcoin for so long. Watch this film. Like, I can totally. It doesn't seem completely unrealistic that Joe Rogan might see it and say, like, okay, let's have this guy come on and talk about it, you know, So I think there's a lot of paths forward, and ultimately my job's done. I make the film the best it can be. And I know it's going to, you know, it's. It's going. It's. It's very impactful. Man like you, you definitely have a lot of emotions. You feel a lot of things when you watch it. So, yeah, that's. That's kind of how it goes.
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Unknown
I hope that somebody listening to this is someone who can make a connection or knows someone who can make a connection, because again, I think that this is such a. It is perfectly timely right now. You know, not only are people feeling the pain of inflation, but bitcoin is ripping in terms of its fiat price. Who knows how high this is going to go by when, I mean, it's going to just, you know, it's going up forever, Laura. But, like, things can move really quickly and I want as many people as possible, normal people who are feeling the pain of inflation, to hear the message in your film and to. You know, you said something earlier that I actually, I wanted to come back to because you mentioned usually when I hear people talking about orange pill, they're. They're. It's like something that they're giving to somebody, right? They're. They're thinking about me and it's like something I'm giving to you. I orange pilled this person, which, like, I don't love that, that phrasing. But you phrased it differently. You refresh my memory. But it was something about, like, the orange pill is something you're doing to yourself. Like, it's that spark. Can you, can you talk about that more? Because I think that is why this film is so important, because it can give people that spark. But you used it in a way that I like a lot more than the way people typically use orange pill.
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Shooter
Yeah, again, I think you are orange pilled once you have an unstoppable desire to learn more about Bitcoin and you have a pull, you know, like you're. Yeah, it's like that spark. Interest is lit in you. And yeah, I agree with you. I think that everybody ultimately orange pills themselves, you know, because you can't have. You can have a conversation for three hours and you can't get everything across, you know, so if you want to orange pill somebody else, you. You just need to figure out how to spark their interest and how to get them to want to learn themselves. And yeah, again, I think a film is just the best way of doing it. It's one of the. My favorite parts about finishing it is like, the film is there because when people would ask me, like, what's the film going to be about? What's it going to cover? It's like, dude, I literally cannot explain it to you. Like, the only way to actually convey this to you in a condensed manner is to actually just make the film, because there's no other way of doing it. But, yeah, again, that. And I think for someone to have that spark. I think this is how I would put it. Most people, okay. When it comes to lightning, a lot of people will say no one will ever run their own node. It's too complicated right now. Right. And I disagree. I think that if you have a big incentive to do it, if it's the only way that you'll be able to transact because some government ban or whatever, people can do it. They just need to have the desire or the need to do it. And unfortunately, I think most people come into bitcoin after they felt the pain of something. And I think that if and anytime there's ever been anyone that you have orange pilled without them feeling the pain, but they get it without feeling the pain, like, you're literally enlightening that person. I think that's the definition of that word. It's to have the realization of something without actually having to go through the experience yourself. And so I think in order for someone to be enlightened, to actually have the desire to spend the time to learn more, they just need to see the whole picture. They don't need all of the resolution necessarily to begin with, but they need to see how it all ties together, you know, And I think that's what film can do best. You're not going to get everything across in a message, but you're going to give somebody an idea of the whole picture of what's going on, and then they're going to go down the rabbit hole and they're going to fill in the resolution for themselves. So, anyway, yeah, I think that's what an orange pill is. It's. It's igniting that fire inside somebody to go, okay, I see why this is important. I see the problem that this can fix and the way that this can help me. And I. It's worth my time to look into it a bit more. So, yeah, that's what I think.
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Unknown
I like that definition a lot. One of the things you talked about near the end of the film was just how bitcoin changes people. And I'm just kind of curious, how has it changed you?
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Shooter
Yeah, I mean, the whole film is kind of framed around my story. I mean, that's kind of the perspective that it's coming from, which is, again, a very relatable perspective. Even people my age or older, it doesn't really matter. I mean, at this point, if you don't own a house, you probably aren't getting it if, you know, unless you're saving in bitcoin. Right. And so for me personally, it really is a kind of a story. My story, you know, of how I came across bitcoin and found appreciation for it was I started to become aware of inflation. And I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, like, everything's getting more expensive. This is really weird, you know. And so fortunately for me, I learned about all of the problems of inflation at the. At the Same time I was learning about bitcoin because again, if I had just learned the problems, man, like I would not want to have kids. I, I don't think so. I just, I, I don't know, man. It just seems like it would be too dark of a place. So, yeah, it just like the other people in my film, it, it's changed me completely in, in many, many, many ways. It's changed my diet, it's changed my outlook for the future. It's changed like, even my circle of people that I communicate with on a regular basis, it like so many things. I mean, even like ignoring pop culture and like what's in the news, it's just like I find myself so disinterested in so many of the things that the normal person is interested in and ultimately I feel like just more at peace. One of the things, like, you know, I'm in Los Angeles. One of the things I noticed, I lived outside of Los Angeles for a little while in a more suburban, rural kind of area. And I felt so much more relaxed when I was out there. And I realized one of the reasons was when you're driving on the road in those kinds of areas, the streets are typically wider and longer. There's not so many driveways, not so many streets. But when you're in la, it's like constantly your cars are coming out of here, you're coming at a stop sign here. It's like there's so much going on that it's like you feel anxious because so much is happening all at the same time. And I feel like that's what happens with people too now in the news and pop culture and this issue and that issue. And like, they focus on so many things that it kind of builds this anxiety. And so, yeah, for me, bitcoin absolutely, you know, has changed my life in, in so many ways. And yeah, it's. I don't even know. I don't think there's words to describe.
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Unknown
It there, there is a film though, to describe it. Pretty. Again, that's the beauty of, of, of filmmaking and of this film. I think you're so correct when you say, like, yeah, you can, you can have a three hour conversation with somebody, like just you and them. You can talk about nothing but bitcoin and the problems of money for three hours. It's just not going to be as effective as a really well made film. It's just not like, I mean, unless somehow you're also putting in dramatic music at certain times and you can show them all, you can't do it. Maybe there's some really talented people who can find some way. But I firmly believe, like, a really good film is always going to be more impactful because it also kind of. It lets somebody come to it as an observer. But then to observe something of themselves in the film and then, you know, to maybe get into a little bit of a dark place, you know, where inflation takes us. But then to realize there is hope, there is a solution, there is something. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, you know, and it seems, you know, that a major kind of theme in this is, you know, okay, fix the money, fix the world, right? Because you do go through so many different fiat, let's say fiat problems, right? The. And I'm just, you know, wondering, like, did you have a. Did you have a favorite part of the film in terms of, like, the. As you put it together, you were like, you know, this is the part that really, like, you know, hits me particularly. Or, like, is it too hard to tell because you view it as a whole, as the filmmaker?
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Shooter
Yeah, it's really hard to pick because it all does kind of go together, you know. But the Kenya stuff, I don't know, for whatever reason. And then also, like, the North Dakota stuff with HT for different reasons. So the Kenya stuff, because to see, like, those people were living, like, literally dirt poor. Like, dirt. Dirt floors, like aluminum walls and roofs, you know, but they're happy. Man, oh, man, they're so happy. Happier than. I don't know. They're probably the happiest people I interviewed the whole film. And that was like. I don't know, it just hit me differently, you know. And then in North Dakota, I went in April, which is not the coldest time of the year, but it was cold. Man, it was so cold. It was like. It was like 40 degrees or something like that. But the wind. Oh, my God, the wind. Like, you know, after a while, you just, like, need to stand by a building to, like, get some blockage from the wind. And it feels like you're by a fire. Like, if you get out of the wind, like, you're like, ooh, we're getting warmed up. You know, and. But in North Dakota, like, you know, HT Huddle Tarantula was telling me, like, the grind that it takes, you know, to wake up every day before the sun rises and to get home after the sun sets. And every day in and out, in and out, six months out of the year, you know, to do that. And I know it's not just with the bitcoin miners out there, that's just oil in general. Oil field oil workers in general. I never saw that side. I never met somebody like. Like an oil worker before. And so it just gave me such a profound appreciation for those people because we all. We all need that energy. So for whatever reason, the mining stuff always seem to be the most impressing, you know, and impactful. But, yeah, all of it just in the whole. It's so great, man. I mean, you know, I can't tell you how many people, like, told me after they went to, like, some bitcoin conference in Argentina or in El Salvador right now, and they're like, oh, hey, man, people been telling me, like, they saw me in this trailer of yours, you know, and so I think the nicest part is that it is one whole thing, and everybody is. That's a part of it. Like, we're all sharing in the beauty of it. And so, yeah, it's hard to really pinpoint an exact moment because, again, I think you need the whole story to really appreciate it. All right? You need to understand the problem before you understand the solution. And so, yeah, it's really hard to pinpoint it. But, I mean, like, interviewing Graham Hancock Dream. I mean, never thought I would do that, you know, and so, yeah, just lots of cool stuff, man.
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Unknown
I was not expecting to, you know, to see Graham Hancock in there like that. That was really, really cool. And it's nice to, you know, because, like, I'm familiar with his, you know, Ancient Apocalypse. I'm familiar with his show. I think a lot of people are, but I was not aware that he. I guess I didn't notice it when reading Gladstein, like, didn't put the pieces together. This was. This is the same guy, you know, that. That I'm familiar with. So, like, that was just really, really cool. And I think it also helps to have people that, like, you know, you could even call him, like, a pop culture figure at this point. You know, he. He's known. Like, people know his face. And, you know, maybe some of these bitcoiners are not as well known. People may, you know, and people make snap judgments, but it's like, it helps to see somebody who you're like, oh, I know that guy. I've seen him on Netflix. Like, that. That makes a difference for the average person to be like, huh, okay. This adds some, you know, credibility in my mind, like, for better or worse.
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Walker
It'S the reality, right?
- [74:52]
Unknown
People do make these judgments, and I think, again, that's why it's so important, the way that you structured this, where it's not called, you know, bitcoin, the solution to inflation, or, you know, something like that, it's you. You don't touch bitcoin at all until the problem has already been defined. And I think that's so important because I think so much of the bitcoin material out there is understandably kind of okay, bitcoin first. And then, yeah, here's this really cool thing, bitcoin. And let's also talk about the problems. But it's like, if you start with that, you lose so many people right off the bat, and you're not going to get them back because they already checked out when you mentioned bitcoin. But if you can lead with that problem, if you can come in there and get them to agree and get them to feel something and get them invested, then they're ready. They've already made it through, you know, half of the film. They're ready to hear, like, please let there be a solution. You know, please tell me that we're not just all screwed. And I thought that that was really masterfully structured on your part. And again, I'm just. I'm just stoked for people to watch this, man. Like, it's. I think it's going to have a huge impact. I really do.
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Shooter
Yeah, me too. One thing I thought about, which was kind of cool, is I was trying to quantify, like, how much time I spent making this thing, you know, And I think the best way to add it up is literally just to add up all the hours of the last two years. Because, like, I don't know what it is, but maybe it's just I'm the type of person. But like, the same thing with El Salvador film. I just could simply could not stop thinking about it until it was done. And so whether I'm planning it or filming it or traveling for it or, like, literally dreaming about it, like, it's just like. I think if you add up two years, it's like 13,000 hours or 14,000 hours or something like that. And so the film is about an hour long, a little more than that. And so one cool thing I thought about was, like, I've invested 13,000 hours. Once 13,000 people have seen the film, I'm at a break even, right? Like, all the time I spent has now been spent also by other people. And then above that, it's just positive. It's like. It's like my investment of time is returning so much more time. And I don't know what that means exactly. But for some reason I feel like it's a special profound thing that it was a really good use of my time. I'm scaling my time very well. And it's again, film is perfect for that. Anybody with a phone can watch a film, right? It engages all your senses. Like you were saying, music really sets a tone for emotion. Emotion is what makes people take action. And so, yeah, anyways, it was, it was a lot of. It was a lot of time. But I know it's gonna, I know it's gonna come back. And I mean, I met so many people that like, like I've gone to dinner with bitcoiners and like one guy wants to pay for everybody because this other guy that we're having dinner with was the guy that orange pilled him and is the reason why he's a bitcoiner now. And there's so much value there, you know. And that's another cool thing I think about is anyone that I can reach with this, you know, what a. I don't know what you could do for somebody, you know, that's more profound than getting them on the bitcoin. You know, starting to think about bitcoin. Even Graham Hancock, you know, like, he's not necessarily a bitcoiner, but he's an open minded person and he was open to it. And so the film kind of served as that for him too. You know, he was asking me because I showed him a shorter cut of it before it was done. And so he was like, you know, what about the volatility? How do you get it and what do you do with the keys and everything? And so it was just one of the touch points for him, you know. And who knows? Now I haven't spoken with him in a bit, but with the price going up, like I can't imagine he's not, you know, thinking about the film and some of the things that are touched on it. So that's a nice thing too is he is a household name. I knew it would be helpful for getting on platforms like HBO or Netflix to have that. But at the same time it's a way to actually start that person's, you know, bitcoin journey. And so, yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool, man. Pretty fucking cool.
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Unknown
We're going to see a new Netflix series from Graham Hancock like a couple of years from now. It's going to be like monetary apocalypse or something. You know, I'm looking forward to it already, but I mean, I mean, so that is an insane amount of hours like, 13, 14,000 hours. That is impressive. Like, that is the finished product. Yes, that, like, people see that and they're like, you know, an hour, a little over an hour long. I think it's difficult for people who don't understand everything that goes into it to even comprehend the amount of time that you put into this, that you traveled all over the world to do this. Like, so I hope people realize, like, this, your proof of work is, I mean, second to none. And to do this as one man is just impressive, dude. Like, it's really impressive. But I think maybe you also needed to do that because you had that vision for what it needed to be, and you have the skills as well to be able to do, you know, like, it's. You know, you weren't just shooting it. You weren't just editing it. No, you were doing all of that. You were writing all of it. You were the one asking the questions, like, this is 100% your film, your vision. And I think that shows through, too, because it's also your story. Like, I think that's why it almost. It had to be just you. You know, I'm sure at times you were probably like, man, I would love some help on this, but, like, I can't even imagine, dude. All right, how do you. How do you know when it's done? Like, how do you know? Okay, I'm done editing. I'm. I'm finished now I ship it. How do you even begin to know when it's done?
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Shooter
So, fortunately, I had a circle of people, call them advisors or whatever. So I'm never afraid of feedback because I always see it as suggestions, but sometimes someone will see something that I don't see, and I'm like, oh, that's a good idea. Throughout the whole process, I was feeding people, you know, what I was doing and gathering feedback and this and that. And even Graham Hancock gave me one of the best points of feedback because the flow of the film was slightly different before. And right now, the flow of the film is. It starts with people living in different intensities of inflation. So you're seeing all of those personal stories, and originally it started with people in the US Talking about inflation, and then it kind of went into why it's happening, and then it went into like, okay, what hap. Is it going to get worse? And then it goes into those other things. But Graham's point of feedback was, like, the most relatable part of the film. Are these average people that you're talking to. That's the most impactful part of these people talking about living with inflation put that up front, you know, And I was like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So I think by doing that, you kind of get a feel as you go along, and then eventually when you start sending cuts to people and they're like, honestly, I don't even know. I don't have any other feedback. Like, it just looks great, you know, Like, I think this is, you know, I can see this being, you know, picked up by a big platform. Then you kind of go like, okay, what I've got is good, and let me just polish, polish, polish, polish, polish. And so, yeah, that's kind of. I think, how. And of course, like, I think nothing can ever be perfect. Like, if I had more time, you know, maybe I can make it 1% better, 2% better, something like that. But at a certain point, it's kind of like, okay, look, it's. It's more than good enough. You know, let's. Let's. Let's put it together and. And let's get it out there. So, yeah, I think that's kind of. I think you kind of know when you know. You know what I mean?
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah, well, and it's like, what's the saying? You know, perfect is the enemy of good. Like, you know, you could try to perfect it forever. You could always find something. You know, change this cut a little bit. You know, change the timing. Slight, but it's like, you're right. And people do need this message now. They. They really need it now. And I'm curious, too, just if you have any kind of advice for any other aspiring filmmakers or content creators, like, who watch this film and say, like, this is amazing. I want to. I want to take on a big project like this. Like, you know, but, like, I don't. I don't know if I can do it. I don't know if. Like, I don't even know how to. How to start. But, like, I have the desire. Like, what advice would you give to people who see this and it impacts them? And they say, I want to help tell these stories, too, because ultimately you're doing this, and you did this in service of people and of Bitcoin as a network. And it is just a network of people.
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Walker
Right.
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Unknown
But to help that network grow. And I think a lot of people have that desire, and maybe they have the skills, but they don't know where to start or they don't know how they should tackle it, or they're just overwhelmed by even the idea of it.
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Shooter
Yeah. So, first of all, I wanted to touch on this, actually. You know, I think whenever you come into bitcoin, and then you realize how much it can help people, you start to naturally think about how you can contribute, right? And then that leads to, like, okay, what do I know how to do best, right? Or what am I really passionate about that I've always wanted to learn how to do and let me do that. And so, again, I think that's probably one of the reasons why I was so passionate about doing this, because I really felt like, man, we can reach people. We totally can. You know, it's like, it's just a matter of education, and it's not even like, again, I don't need to define everything. The rabbit hole is there, you know? And I felt like a film would be perfect, and that's what I do. And I need to do this, because if I don't do this and the transition between fiat and bitcoin is a rough transition, I might have some regrets, and I might feel like I should have done that, man. Maybe I could have helped people, you know what I mean? Maybe I could have helped myself, you know, and my kids, you know, if the transition is more difficult or easier. And so, anyway, so I think that's really why I needed to do it, man. I just. I needed to do it no matter what happens. In terms of people, you know, wanting to maybe do something similar, I think there's two different camps. One camp is someone who. And this is something you determine for yourself, who feels that they can produce something like this, that they have the experience and they have the knowledge and the skills to produce a film like this. And then there's the other camp, which is like, I've never done it before. I don't know if I could do it, but I am interested in doing it. So I would say for the. For the latter, for the people who have never done it before, you know, I would say, like, you don't need expensive equipment. You know, you can do it on your phone. You can do it with, like, a microphone. That's not that expensive. And I think the most important thing is just a compelling story, you know, so if there's a good story of a bitcoiner or something that bitcoin is doing, like, just capturing it on your phone and with a microphone, gonna be good. Like the. There's a Kanye west documentary that's on Netflix, and, like, 80% of the documentary is done at a time when it's shot by a guy who's never done A documentary before, and he kind of was like, thought that Kanye was going to become up and coming and decided to follow him. And the camp, all the shots are shaky as fuck. The audio sounds like shit, you know? But the thing is, it doesn't matter because the story is what's the most important thing. So I think that's a good place to start for people identify stories, use your phone or just do audio or write an article or whatever it is, you know, but realize that the story is the most important thing. And then for people who actually feel like they have the chops to do it, man, it is not easy, dude. It is not easy. I mean, like, again, I think if I had to do this again, it's possible that it would not have happened because it requires so much time. And I definitely, you know, used some of my own money, but I also, you know, raised money also. And I was doing that throughout the whole process of the film, the whole thing. And I felt like I had proof of work. I mean, fucking President of El Salvador is, you know, like, retweeting my film I made about the country. It's like, what more do you want from me? You know what I mean? You see the quality. Can you imagine on Netflix? Okay, help me. You know, and still, it was. It was difficult. So I would say for somebody who wants to do something similar, I don't know. The only way I know how to do it is the way I did it. Make a short film about some interesting story in Bitcoin, use that as a proof of work, and then have a big vision. And then, you know, of course, you have to believe in yourself, and then you have to convince other people to believe in you, too. That's really what the best part is, dude. When I started to make this, that's how I was approaching people. I was saying, look, we have an opportunity to enlighten people before the next financial disaster. We can do this with film. It's a very powerful tool. There's no film out there like this. Look at my work. I can do this. But I need your help. Help me do this again. If the vision wasn't so grand, then I couldn't have done this. That's all I would say is. And I think one thing that's always been helpful for me is I remind myself, life is always harder than I think it's going to be. Always, always, always, always, always, always. Like, I feel like this is the last hill to climb. Oh, man, I got this together. Looks so good. I know Netflix is going to Want this? Graham Hancock's in it. Why wouldn't they want it, man? If they can jump in now, like, they'll help me because they can help me polish up some of these things and I can finally be done with this thing. You know what I mean? But I always knew. I always remind myself it's not going to happen like that. It's probably not going to happen like that. There's going to be another hill to climb. So I think that if you're going to try to do something like this, just remind yourself that every day, you know, like, this is probably going to be harder than I think it's going to be. And that's okay.
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Unknown
That's good advice. I'm curious, too. So when somebody finishes watching your film, and again, it's out on November 21st, right. That's when it'll be available. And I encourage people, NoMoreInflation.com, go there, support shooter, because you are going to want to watch this film. But when they finish it, what do you hope that people feel? What do you hope that they think? What do you want them to come out of that with?
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Shooter
So, again, I think there's two camps. I think there's the bitcoiners and then there's the Normies, and I think the Bitcoiners. What I've heard from other bitcoiners is that they come out of it with like a validation almost that this thing that they've been focusing on and researching and loving for so long is not that they needed the validation, but the film is. It's a validation of all of that. It's all of these things that you've talked about, all these topics condensed in, like, in a NETFLIX quality film. It's. It's amazing, man. So I hope that the Bitcoiners, that's what they step away with gratification, like, yes, yes. This is exactly why I love this thing. And I hope that they share it with people. I hope people buy it for their co workers, because when it's available and you make the purchase, you'll get a password to log in and to watch it. And so you can buy 10 passwords, 20 passwords, 30 passwords, whatever, and just share it with people. And so that I hope that that's what they do. I hope they show it to their family, and I hope they tell me about their experience, you know, and if there's ways I can make it better, man, let me know too, you know, that nothing's impossible now and then for the for the average person, I hope that they just buy a little bit of bitcoin and I hope that they, that they start learning. And I realized that maybe some people will watch it and immediately be like, wow, okay, I'm going to start learning about this. I'm going to buy some. But probably most people, it's just going to be that first real good touch point, that first really, really good one. And it might take a year later to like, you know, who knows, right? When the price of houses double again, they're like, oh, shit. Yeah, I know why this is happening. You know, they just keep friending money. And this bitcoin thing, just like it's $300,000 now, like, okay, like, I need to start actually looking into this thing. So, yeah, I just hope for the average person that, yeah, they just, they, they see it as a potential solution to this suffering that we're feeling. I feel like inflation causes the most suffering in the world and that it inspires them to learn more about this bitcoin thing.
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Unknown
Was there a. Just speaking of inflation, because you talk to so many people and we see, you know, even just a fraction of all the people that you talk to over these past two years, was there kind of like any new aha. Moments for you or the way that somebody put something that you just, you hadn't heard it described that way before and it like, you know, even as somebody who has been studying this, who's been making films about it, that it made something click for you in a different way.
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Shooter
Yeah, I think I had an idea of what inflation was like as it got worse, but I didn't really know until I talked to people. And so like in Jamaica, for example, like, they're skipping meals, you know, And I'm like, ah, yeah, I never really thought about that, but that makes sense that you would need to start skipping meals. Right? People, I think average person start, tends to think like, well, things keep getting more expensive, like, what's going to happen? Exactly. It's like, well, what do you think? You know, like, you're not going to be able to buy everything that you need. And so, and even in Argentina, like, again, this one didn't make it in, but there was this business owner that shut down his business. He would spend like four hours a day determining his prices, you know, like, wow, man, what a waste of time. What a waste of time. And so, yeah, I think I had an idea of what life was like as things got worse. But you don't really. And it's even hard, dude, it's even hard to describe it in words right now. You know, it's like you almost need to hear it from the people and see their faces and their emotions and to understand. So, again, that's why I think it's going to be a beautiful film for bitcoiners too, because you probably have read about a lot of these things, but it's different to see it and to hear from it. I mean, again, it's completely changed me as just going through and making the film and talking to all these people, and it's given me a much better understanding of the world. And, yeah, it's changed me for sure.
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Unknown
And I hope that it changes people who watch it too. Like, it is truly a powerful film. And I'm curious too, like, okay, you've been working on this now for two years. The product of all that work is something that's really powerful, I think is going to be really impactful.
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Walker
Where.
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Unknown
Where do you go from here in terms of your own film? Are you even. I mean, I assume right now you are still laser focused. Like, you know, you're. It's. It's coming up on D day here. Like, you're, you know, still nose to the grindstone. Like, after that you just want to.
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Walker
Sleep for a while.
- [94:08]
Unknown
Like, take. Take a little break? Or are you already, like, are you already thinking about what you want to create next?
- [94:16]
Shooter
Yeah, it's funny, man. You know, throughout this, when I was making the film, I was listening to this book called the Ecstasy and the Agony. It's a. Like a kind of a biography of Michelangelo. And one of the takeaways, it was like, you know, when you really know you're doing something you love, like, you don't eat, you don't sleep, you. And this is what I've been saying to people, like, you don't wear underwear for a couple of months. You know what I mean? Those are unnecessary things. And so a lot of that is behind me. Definitely there's a lot of work now to polish just to make sure it's perfect in the best way that I can do it. And so that's nice, but I don't know what's next. You know, I think I always want to approach my projects from the same perspective I approach this one, which is what is the most impactful thing I could possibly do. I can't imagine how it wouldn't be related to bitcoin. And so I don't know what's next. You know, I know that mining is something that is. The pools are more Centralized. But also Bob Burnett talks about like the necessity for 30% of the hash power to be like smaller size miners. And so I don't know, maybe it'll be something. I've been kind of kicking around the idea of making like an open source kind of course or academy with like film and documenting like okay, basics of, you know, how to identify a site, how to maintain the equipment, what to expect if you're going to do it off grid, on gas, if you're going to do it on hydro. Because I met so many of these people now and so that, or maybe there's scaling solutions that may need to come with bitcoin, I don't know. I love lightning. I don't know if we need to be able to fit more people on chain in the next 100 years for it to remain decentralized. And so, you know, but I think a lot of this is really, I think the solution to a lot of these things is just pulling more people in, more people that want to mine more. Probably already programmers and developers that might already have all of the tools to contribute but just don't have the education to want to do it or see the importance. And maybe this film, no more inflation will help with that, but maybe something more focused on that would help too. But again, like at this point it's coming like a fork in the road. I look younger than I am, but the time to start a family is now. And so honestly if I was approached next week by whoever group people, somebody that bitcoiners that aligned with the incentives and they're like, dude, this is the most impactful thing that you can do and we're going to fund it, I'm ready to go, you know, but, but other than that, I think this will be my contribution to the space and if I need to go back to doing what I was doing before in order to fulfill, I think the most important thing which is having a family and raising a family. You know, my girl, we've been together for a long time. She's been very patient, especially through this last two years of the film. And so, so yeah, we'll see. I think, I think this film will lead to more opportunities to create more. I think that it's an important thing to do. I think that I'm the perfect person to continue doing it. But the market will decide, so we'll see. Man.
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Unknown
No, I love it. Last thing I'll. Because we've been, we've been running already for over 90 minutes, but it's flown by talking about this film because again, I really encourage Everybody. Go to NoMoreInflation.com support shooter watch this film Share this film it is really magnificent. And what I'd like to wrap up with is just like, what makes you hopeful, man? What makes you excited about the future?
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Shooter
Yeah, it's always going to be bitcoiners. I think I always tell people, like, we've never done this before with bitcoin. We've never had a money like this before. So I think we don't really necessarily know the outcome worst case scenario, like, for whatever reason, it doesn't work. And then like, fuck it, we were doomed from the beginning anyway, like, just to repeat this thing. And I, you know, I think really we're just. I think life is relatively petty in general. I think once we die, whatever happens after that, I think we look back at this and kind of like, oh, that was fun, you know, like, even if it was difficult and even if I suffered, at least I got to experience that, you know. And so I think ultimately, at the end of the day, it's going to be fine whether we fail or not. But I don't think we're going to fail because, you know, I think bitcoin infects you and it makes you want to make this thing work. Because we understand the opportunity that we have, right? Like, one thing I realized is, like, the value of a solution is equal to the size of the problem that it fixes. So if you're in the middle of the desert and you're about to, you know, die of dehydration, that a bottle of water is very valuable. It's not a dollar bottle of water, right? Like, you'll pay anything. You'll probably pay your hand. You'll probably pay to cut off your hand for that bottle of water, right? Because why not? Because you're gonna die anyway. So I think we see that. We see that this solution is so valuable because the problem is so massive. And I think that ultimately we won't fail. I think that there's enough of us good, strong people. And as the bitcoin price goes up, you know, the wealth of bitcoiners goes up too. And those people become more people become free to do what they want. And the people who are already free doing what they want have even more power to do more stuff. So, yeah, bitcoiners are what make me hopeful. Right. Like, a lot of people out there probably had no idea I was working on this for the last two years. And I think there's a lot of other people like me doing all different kinds of things in bitcoin that we have no idea about. And I think that's the best part. And again, we're not working for some company. I'm not doing this because some company is paying me. Right. The motivation is much deeper than that. And it allows me and others to push through difficult situations and to keep going because I'm doing it for a different reason. I'm doing it for myself, for my family, for the world. So, yeah, I think there's a lot of me's out there. You's out there. Rock stars, a lot like Rockstar would say. There's a lot of rock stars out there and there's only going to be more coming in. So, yeah, I think we got this. I'm extremely hopeful. I can never say I know what's going to happen, but I feel very good about the future. I think even the transition might be. It could be really bad, but I think there's a possibility the transition can actually be very smooth and very beautiful from fiat to bitcoin. And so, yeah, that's what I. That's what I'm hopeful for.
- [101:15]
Unknown
People like you make me hopeful. And I think this, this film is ultimately going to make a lot of people very hopeful and probably people that. I hope this gets into as many non bitcoiner hands as possible. And so again, no more inflation dot com. I'll link that in the show notes. You know, I'll be blasting it out to everyone when this is released. I'll link your X and your Noster. I assume there's nowhere else we should send people except nomoreinflation.com Yep, yep.
- [101:46]
Shooter
And then exactly. Yeah, that's the best place. And then, yeah, I definitely haven't been as active on Nostr as I need to be, but after this I definitely will. I mean, the point of being, to be honest on Twitter, on X, was just to gain awareness, to be able to finish this thing. I really don't care about the followers or the likes or any of that stuff, but I do appreciate what Nostra is doing and I would like to have my stuff exclusively there. So I think moving forward, you know, once the kind of first push for awareness for this is out, then I'll just be on. I'll be on Noster. So, yeah, but NoMoreInflation.com is the best place to do it. Dude, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. You know, you and I, we've been running across each other at different events and stuff. Too. And I appreciate what you do and I'm happy that, you know, you're a dad and like, man, I just, I look forward to seeing your kid grow up too. And like, how cool, man. We're going to have so many great memories between you and me and other bitcoiners and everything. So I really appreciate what you do, man. I appreciate you, you know, wanting to help me spread this dude.
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Unknown
You know, I mean, we've clicked for, for a long time and at least long time. It feels like a long time. I get, you know, a couple years now and I like, you are a talented dude. This film is just like a, it is a, it is a triumph. And so I will do everything in my power and use whatever voice I have to be able to share this out there. Because again, and you know this well as the person who made it, people need this message right now more than ever. So I just want to thank you for making it and thanks for sharing your time on here. And yeah, I think people will be very glad to zap you some bitcoin on Noster after seeing this film. I can guarantee that.
- [103:29]
Shooter
Cool, man. I appreciate it, man. Thank you, dude.
- [103:38]
Walker
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Unknown
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Walker
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Unknown
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