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BOBBYCAST: The Ting Tings on Why They Never Felt the Success of “That’s Not My Name” + How an iPod Commercial Changed Their Life + The Importance of Failure + Bobby Responds to YouTube Comments and Critiques
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Katie White
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Bobby Bones
Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor, and.
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Drew Phillips
I'm Drew Phillips, and we run a.
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Bobby Bones
Podcast called Emergency Intercom.
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Drew Phillips
If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated adhd.
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Bobby Bones
Oh, my God, perfect.
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Drew Phillips
And want to hear people with mental illness psychobabble.
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Maya
Yes, yes, yes.
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Drew Phillips
Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free iHeartradio app, search emergency Intercom, and listen now.
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Jenica Lopez
Hi, I'm Jenica Lopez, and in the new season of the Over Comfort podcast, I'm even more honest, more vulnerable, and more real than ever. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? Join me for conversations about healing and growth, all from one of my favorite spaces, the kitchen. Listen to the new season of the Overcomer podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Maya
Every case that is a cold case.
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Bobby Bones
That has DNA right now in a.
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Maya
Backlog will be identified in our lifetime.
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Bobby Bones
On the new podcast, America's Crime Lab.
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Maya
Every case has a story to tell, and the DNA holds the truth.
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Bobby Bones
He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha.
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Jules De Martino
This technology's already solving, so cases.
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Maya
Listen to America's Crime Lab on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Bobby Bones
Welcome to episode 535. We'll talk with the ting tings and then not only that, afterward, I'll talk about the comments. Just generally comment talk on YouTube and Instagram and me getting into the comments. It's a whole thing. So the ting tings. Interesting because I remember the ting tings. I was a massive fan back in the day. They had the song that's Not My Name. That's not my Name. They call me Stacy. Loved that song. And they had the song Shut up and let me go all over the Back in the day ipod commercials. So they. During this interview, they were in Spain. Yeah, that feels accurate, right? Yeah, yeah. They are married, Katie and Jules. Katie's the lead singer. Guitar plays a bunch of instruments. Jules plays the drums, plays the bass, plays the lead guitar. They definitely are good compliments to each other in this duo. And most duos have to do that. One that does one, the other really has to do the other, and a lot of it. So they got A new album out. It's super cool. It's definitely different than what I was used to. And I just came across them on TikTok, and I messaged them and was like, hey, ting Tings on TikTok, Would you like to be on the show? And they were like, yeah, I would love it. So, super cool. The band's name, the Ting Tings, come from a co worker of Katie, who's the lead singer, and she was Chinese, the co worker, and she liked how it sounded because it was in Mandarin. Ting Ting can mean listening or bandstand. And they were like, that sounds cool. Let's do it. And so they formed this band while living in Islington Mill. Is that England?
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Drew Phillips
I don't know.
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Bobby Bones
Gotta be, right? Cause they're British. Right? Let's see. I'm positive they're British. They got a great accent, regardless. Islington Mill. Yeah, yeah, it's in England. And so they started playing in their kitchen, and people would come over to their kitchen and watch. All right, let's rock it. Well, right, right. Yeah, yeah, of course. England, duh. Yeah, yeah. We're seeing. Yes, yes, very much so. Here they are. Episode 535, the Ting Tings. Hey, we have the Ting Tings on, which is pretty exciting for me because rarely do I message anybody and just go, hey, will you come on? And I did. And so I appreciate you guys. Where are you right now? Do you want to say what country you're in?
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Jules De Martino
Yeah, we're in Spain. We're rehearsing for a festival in Portugal in about five days.
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Bobby Bones
You know what's awesome about Europe? We were there a little bit ago. Just in general, the trains. Like, I'm fascinated with how you guys can get places on a train here in the States, we're too dumb to have trains except in the Northeast, and everybody pees in them. Like, you got, like. The European travel system is a plus. Amazing. I told my wife, because we went to Paris and went to Austria, went to a few places last year, and. And I was like, I want to do an overnight train where you sleep, like, in a train. Does that just sound like the most basic thing that I'm fantasizing about?
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Jules De Martino
I'm a big fan. Trains. I'm a really bad flyer. I'm a nervous flyer. So I'm advocate for trains. More trains, the better.
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Bobby Bones
I agree. So we're on the same page. More trains, the better. All right, let's get to some music here. The last, I think four out of five TikTok posts that I have put up and I do these. These carousels and they do. They perform pretty well. But I use you guys a song Home because I love it so much. And so it's been the song behind a lot of the stuff that I've been posting. And so I know the album is also called Home. I didn't know that was you guys at first because it's so different from what my expectation was of who the ting tings were. So why don't we start there? Like who even are you guys now?
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Katie White
Well, we've been a band for 16 years. We've been songwriting together for 20 years. So there has been some evolution within. And I suppose if you only knew us from that's not my Name and Shut up and Let Me Go, which came more from a. At the time of writing that album, we was living in an artist community in Manchester in the north of England. And we were very inspired by Talking Heads and Blondie and the Smiths and all the Ramones and very kind of new wave inspired. But we're a bit of an odd band because we're a duo and we always write and record all our own albums ourselves. Jules plays like five instruments so in one way we have changed a lot over the years because probably because we can. I mean if you're like a five piece band, you're kind of locked into a sound a lot of the time, even if you did want to change because you know you can't control what the bass player is going to play and you can't control what the drummer. But we've always been quite into experimenting and we call this album Home because we actually feel like we've landed where we don't want to probably experiment as much. We're really happy in this sound now if it's kind of. We've grown up into it, it suits our lives. We just love songwriting at this point. Don't care about anything else.
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Bobby Bones
If we were to go back into your histories and Jules, I'll start with you. Like when did. What was your first instrument and who. Who got you into music? Was your family very musical?
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Jules De Martino
Not really. My father was. My father's Italian. Came over when he was about 17 to the UK. I think he had some experience of singing in church as a young little Italian boy, but that's about it. He's actually a singer, but nothing like. He's never performed. But I got into music early, I guess through my sister's kind of about five years older than me and she started having a record collection before me And I stole her records. So, you know, Police, early. Early bands like the Police and Roxy Music and stuff like that was getting me fired up. And my drums was my first instrument. That's the. And it still is my first, is my main instrument. I. I play confidently. But as a songwriter, it's very hard to write a song on drums. Well, it's not hard, but it's kind of, you know, dull. You kind of. You have to start looking to be a songwriter. You have to start playing piano or guitar or something. Yeah. Bill coins. So I quickly moved over to the keys and guitars to be able to write. And that's when I really started to, I suppose, practice more on guitar and piano as well, in my drums. But my drums are my favorite instrument. Although now I don't play drums as much. In the band that we are now, we're kind of. Much more of a kind. I mean, we woke up one morning and said we'd written all these songs, this new album. We wanted to be the Eagles. It's as simple as that. We thought, God, imagine back in the day when those guys had a percussion player, bass player, there's like 10 of them on stage, you know. And we really wanted to go back to that because me and Katie are just a duo. We've been playing with loop pedals and electronics and guitars and punk sounds and stuff for all our lives. And we just really wanted to get quality musicians on stage again. We just felt ourselves. We felt like we were missing something. So a lot has changed. You're right.
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Bobby Bones
Katie, again, this is a very basic question, but for me, and I think for my audience, like, can you give me kind of your origin story music, how you started, what you started first, where you started singing?
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Katie White
Yeah. So I grew up in the 90s, so it was very much 90s pop, really. I made a little girl band with my two school friends and we weren't very good. And then, like I said, About 1920, I moved to this. It was kind of an artist community in Manchester that was an old cotton mill that had like 40 artists living and working there. And it had, like amazing bands every week there'd be like, you know, club nights where they'd be playing the Tigra and Talking Heads and all this amazing kind of post punk stuff, which wasn't of that time. It was kind of the second time round it came, really. But that's what was kind of becoming cool in the universities and everything in the local town. And the second I heard that, I just got obsessed. I got obsessed. Obsessed with Andy Warhol, Edie Sedgwick, like, anything that was, like, artistic and the total opposite of where I came from. So, yeah, I kind of started off with probably growing up listening to the Spice Girls and then getting obsessed with, you know, feminist punk bands. Somewhere in the middle, if you hear, like, my vocals, Livy on that's Not My Name, it kind of lands somewhere in the middle of that.
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Bobby Bones
A lot of my friends that have made it at an elite level, like where you guys are, they were in many versions of things that did not work before. They either found their sound or what works for them. If it's a solo artist and they weren't a band or they weren't a duo or, like, were there projects that did not work. And at the time you thought, well, this sucks. Life's over. But really, it was a blessing in disguise because it worked into what it is now.
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Jules De Martino
Yeah, totally. I think it's easier for us to say. I know we're very lucky that we. We've gone this far, and we're kind of, I guess, in a lovely position to be able to experiment. But the truth is, failure is really important in. In your. I guess, in your journey and people in a modern world, it's getting harder and harder to fail. And people, especially with social media, everyone's on you. The minute you make a mistake, you say something wrong. But we think that failure is really important. So all those failed attempts at the beginning to write songs or to be in bands that connected, they were. That is the most important part. We actually wrote a song, I think, on our second or third album called Failure, because it's going back. I mean, five or six years, I can't remember. But we were writing about that because we. We had started to realize the importance of not trying to be something because it's working. Trying to be something that is coming from your real deep inside you. And often that fails because you can't. You can't connect all the time. It's impossible for a human being to do something right every time that everybody likes. It's just impossible. And it's important to fail. And so there was many bands, many songs that I was a part of, and I think Katie as well, that just didn't work at the time. You kind of pull your hair out thinking, why aren't we good enough? Or why aren't people liking us or making a call or something. When you get to the point where you do something that does connect, you look back and you realize how important those. Those. Those. I guess those that journey is about making those mistakes and making those errors or things. Not.
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Bobby Bones
Katie, was there a time where you guys were in different projects? Like, how did you two come together the first time professionally?
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Katie White
Yeah, we met. We met in London through. I can't remember his name. There's, like, an old school manager called Laurie J. He's probably not around anymore. He was old.
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Bobby Bones
Dead or out of the job? Dead. Okay. I should make it.
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Jules De Martino
Sure, go ahead.
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Katie White
Maybe not, but he was a very elderly guy. Then he kind of thought we should meet each other to work together. So we met there and I moved to London for about a year. And then Jules moved back down to Manchester. And, yeah, we moved into the Mill, where we obviously started the Tings. But we met. Jules is working with another band. I was in my girl band, in effect, and we both didn't like what we was doing. So I ended up, yeah, kind of evolving quite quickly into working together and writing together and, yeah, making a band.
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Bobby Bones
So the Tings would be the. The consolidated version of the Ting Tings. Yes.
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Katie White
We almost. On this album, we called ourselves a different band name because we was going to call ourselves DeMartino and White, which is our songwriting names.
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Jules De Martino
What.
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Katie White
We would be down on our publishing because we felt like it was a very different feel to what people would expect from the teachings, like you were saying. And it was only at the very last minute where we really wanted to keep our independence. And we thought, well, we have to use something that people. Why would you. Why would you throw away the Ting Tings when people have the summer recognition, even if it, you know, takes a year to remind people in a world now where there's so much noise online, but the process of calling ourselves DeMartino, Mike really helped with the songwriting because we could almost feel like we were a different band.
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Bobby Bones
This is a question that I always love to ask, and if it's the stupidest question, that's okay, because I'm stupid. But were you more of a Blur fan or an Oasis fan? I feel like I have to ask every British friend or new artist because they all have a super opinion on this. Blur or Oasis back in the day.
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Katie White
Well, I'm from Manchester, so always Oasis, undoubtedly. And actually, even now, the songs win. Oasis.
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Jules De Martino
Oasis.
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Bobby Bones
Okay, good attitude. My. My wife is, like 11 years younger than I am, and she just got into Oasis because they kind of blew up again on social media. And she was like, we should go to the first Manchester show, the show they did back home. We did not go because I had to work. But I thought it was super cool that they were back together. Do you guys follow other British or English or European bands? Like, I follow bands from, like, my state of Arkansas. Do you root for them, like the local guys?
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Katie White
Yeah, absolutely. In Manchester, where we started, the Ting Tings has, you know, the Smiths come from Manchester, the Stone Roses, Oasis, the Verve. Like, there's New order, there's amazing bands come from Manchester for some strange reason, because it's raining, I think there's nothing to do.
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Bobby Bones
What about when you guys got together? Because our introduction to you was the ipod commercial. Whenever Shut up and Let Me Go happened, for most of us, we're just watching on television and that was the introduction to the Ting Tings. But I'm sure that you guys were playing a long time before that happened. How long were you. The Ting Tings and then how long until that happened? Did you have any success in Europe before it came across?
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Katie White
We got that at south by Southwest.
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Jules De Martino
Yeah. So we were. So we've all been. We've always been a very kind of bubble band, like independent, on our own. We write, produce, we build our own studios, we put our own records out. We'd always done that from day one in Manchester. We put that's not my name out with a comment what the flip side was on a 45. Great DJ. Exactly. And we opened a little record company called Legendary Starkey Records back in Manchester. Long story about that. But we've always been very proactive about how we make music and how we put music out then. So your answer to your question is, were we doing stuff? I. I guess we became a little bit of a hot band in Manchester at the beginning when we were punking out, creating our own little scene. And then, of course, we just couldn't eat. We had no money. Putting like 145s out, you know, 7 inch records or whatever in local stores is really a wonderful thing to do. And we miss those days because they are the days that really count, but they don't pay. And we got to pay rent. And we, you know, we're trying to get on in life. And eventually we got discovered by being, you know, I guess a hot band in Manchester. And then that gave us the license to get out and play bigger shows in the UK and in Europe. And then it was quite weird. Our record, our first record that broke out, we kind of chased it around the world. We never. We never saw success. We. We in the UK started blowing up and we were playing shows, driving around in a little mini. I remember that Katie was in the front seat and she literally have drums on her la. And we were so excited that there was more people coming to see us than three. And then that record started to. And just as the record broke in the UK and as it went number one, we left the uk, went around Europe and arrived in the States, did Japan, we did, you know, the Far East. We did everything. And then it was kind of like our friends in the UK were saying, like, God, your record is everywhere. It's such a massive record. And we'd missed that because we'd left and. And then when we got to States, every UK band, I guarantee you, I don't care who they are, wants to tour the usa. We are inspired massively by USA music. You know, music that comes from the States, from the Beatles, as you know. And it's like. I guess it's like getting on a bus touring America is the great rock and roll story, and everybody wants to do it. And there we were at south by Southwest, playing three shows a day, breaking out slowly like we did in the uk. Everybody was having a crazy time in the UK on our music, saying, it's blowing up. We were missing all the parties because we were working hard in the States and we played a show and I can't remember which one it was, and.
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Katie White
There was like 20 people at it.
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Jules De Martino
Teeny little show in south by. And Steve Job, basically, Apple picked Shut up and Let Me Go for their ipod. It was actually Steve Jobs, personally, from that show. It's classic. The ting tings come ground up. We're not a pop band where we have managers and producers and a whole entourage of people. We just turn up, rock, write a song, record it, rock. It's really ground. Earthy, easy, breezy type of way of doing stuff. And that's exactly how we broke out, really, from the States. Of course, being on the ipod advert meant that loads of people heard our music, shut up and let me go. And that opened doors to play bigger venues or more venues. And we just went around the States and as the record started blowing up in the States and people started hearing it on, I guess national radio or all those old platforms back in the day, before social media erupted, we got to this point where we go, oh, man, our record's taking off. And then we were gone. And then we left estates like South America, and we were doing that and people were discovering that. So we never felt like we'd really broke out. We never thought like we'd had a big record. And then three years later we came back to the uk and we couldn't believe how successful the record really been. It was on adverts, it was on tv, film, you know, radio could go pretty much anywhere.
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Katie White
Still can, really. And people know, like, our first album really well. And yeah, for us, it's quite bizarre.
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Jules De Martino
Yeah. And we never. And we never kind of truly felt comfortable. We're not like great pop stars, if that's the right word. We're much more about writing and studio and creating stuff and putting out and seeing the reaction it gets and then doing some great shows. So I guess it's half that we kind of chased our record around the world and half that we're a little bit maybe not so good at kind of red carpets. Yeah, we're not.
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Drew Phillips
Let's take a quick pause for a.
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Bobby Bones
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Drew Phillips
And I'm Drew Phillips.
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Bobby Bones
And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.
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Drew Phillips
If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you, but if you have unmedicated adhd.
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Bobby Bones
Oh, my God, perfect.
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Drew Phillips
And want to hear people with mental illness psychobabble.
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Maya
Yes, yes.
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Drew Phillips
Then Emergency Intercom's the podcast for you. Open your free iHeartradio app. Search emergency Intercom and listen now.
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Bobby Bones
And we're back on the Bobbycast. So this sound, you say Eagles. I think the first time that I watched it, even the visuals it felt, and I hope this is a compliment to you, it felt very Fleetwood Mackie, if that's even a term. And so that's why when I looked at the name and I was like, oh, the Ting Tings, I know them. I was a fan. You know, back a few years ago I used to also work in pop radio before I came to Nashville in the States to do this on a much more national level. Did you have to keep on this new record? Did you have to keep from doing the old sound at all? Like, did you make it draw a line like we're only gonna stay and focus on the sound that we are now and not kind of dabble back in that. Because we want people to understand that we have modified who we are as artists.
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Katie White
Yeah. Whilst writing and recording, we literally made a mood board of everything that we stuck all our favorite bands and photos up. And I think whilst recording we definitely we didn't feel compelled to write music like our first album. Cause that was like 16 years ago. Anyway. Our album before this one was actually like quite drum and bass inspired, wasn't it? And so it was. We always been making kind of different music to that first album anyway. But I think the main thing was when we came to perform it, we did our first sold out London show this year and we did two and we was like, you know, how are we going to do it? The audience going to turn up and then they're going to expect just this high energy, like new wavy thing which you know we're proud of, but we're in a different place. But what we did, we reimagined five of the songs from our first album like Shut and Let Me Go. That's not my Name. Great dj. And we actually, we go out as a nine piece band and it's beautiful. It's like very, lots of harmonies, very Crosby, Stills and Nash. And we perform those old songs in our new style. So it's really exciting for the audience because we got our friends to like video it and you can hear them like gasping when they hear like Shut up and Let Me Go performed in a different way because it's still a song that they love but they're getting it in an interesting. And they've actually grown up with us like now. A lot of the comments are like, oh my God, my favorite band from my teenage years has now grown up and is actually still making music that will kind of connect with me now. Which, you know, is a dream for us because we are creative. We don't just want to go out and play songs that people know from 16 years ago. We're constantly making records and you know, we feel like we're creative songwriters. So it's the best outcome for us really.
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Bobby Bones
So you did this record analog, I think, I think I read and if so that means it has to be perfect when you record it, right?
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Jules De Martino
Yeah, we. Okay, so we. So when we made this record, we have changed our lives. We've. We've become a family and we have a little girl and that changes everything. We decided we want to be better musicians. So we started picking up more instruments, practicing, singing and playing them. Piano, guitar, drums, etc and harmony and singing. We wanted to do more in that than we did on previous records. We were obviously inspired by all the bands that you've heard us, Fleetwood and Cosby, Stills, all the great bands, Eagles and the way they put music together. And we, we knew instinctively that if we were going to make a record, we couldn't do it in the way that maybe we'd made some of our last records which was a little bit more on, you know, technology based laptops and loads of electronics and stuff like that. So we have a big studio and we lined all our old equipment up, got it all repaired, got it all out and we started playing the instruments acoustics and we started watching all the films about bands we love and we just wanted to slow the pace down. We just felt like social media is so fast and music is made so quick and it's released and it's over so quick. And although there's benefits in that and we exploit those benefits, I'm not suggesting for one minute that we're doing anything worse or better than anyone else. We just wanted to feel more honest. We just wanted to feel more connected with the art form. And in pop music or commercial music, when you release something, it's so bloody fast you don't even learn your songs. Sometimes you're going on tour and you don't even know what you're singing. And we wanted to slow that down. We wanted our fans to understand that we were learning our instruments, we were playing better, we were writing better, we were using tape, we were using desks, analog equipment, we were learning our craft, how to use that. And it might sound a bit fuddy duddy and it might sound a bit old fashioned, but we had just an amazing year doing it. We were like we imagined, you know, years ago when they used to set up in a studio. You had the band, you had an engineer, you had a producer, you had a technician. And all these people would run cables and microphones and they'd reset thing. We did all that, we went through that process. Katie would move a mic, I'd be drumming, she'd sounds better when the mic's here. And it was just like a whole new world really of music and I think a lot of that's got lost and it's not a bad thing Again, in five years time we might be just walking around the world on a laptop making obscure music in fields. I don't know how it's going to turn out, but we just felt like it was time to put back into music that sort of we'd taken out for so many years.
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Bobby Bones
I have two questions left for both of you. What's the best concert you've ever been to?
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Katie White
Oh, can I? Well, there's one that I didn't appreciate at the time and now I really kick myself. And Jules dragged me to a Steely Dan concert in New York and I was only in my mid-20s and I was bored out my brain and now I'm quite obsessed with Steely Dan and I can't believe I didn't appreciate it. And another one, you do yours, I don't make yours.
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Jules De Martino
Well, there are many and for, for the right reasons that the ones we love the most are the big rock bands and, and soft rock bands and yacht rock bands, because it's what we're really into now. But I tell you what one comes to mind is Cypress Hill. And I can't remember where we Were. It may have been in Germany. We were playing a big show with them and it was. We were side of stage, we'd come off. They were big fans of our band and we hung out with them side of stage. And these guys were partying on the side of stage and, and they're set. Their, their show started and you know, the DJ started scratching and stuff and the beat started and one of the guys were out there kind of rapping out and one of the guys was talking to us. He was going like, man, I love your stuff. And we're like, dude, your, your, your show started, you need to be out there. And they were so on it and so good. He just had a conversation with drinking beer side of stage with everybody. And when his time was to come on stage, he just turned left us, walked on behind the curtain, just came out and he was like, boom. Very choppy. And we were like, it was an amazing show. It was just like, I can't. I need to be very focused if I'm going on. So there's no way I could be sitting talking to a gang of people side to stage. And then when it's my turn to sing, just walk and start. It's. I don't know how he did it. It just freaked me out. It was brilliant.
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Bobby Bones
That's awesome. Final question, and we talk a lot of music here and if you were to ask me like, who greatest British. It'd be the Beatles. It'd be Oasis, Led Zeppelin. Who do you guys think's the greatest American rock star of all time? We just had this conversation and so I'm only asking you because we put each other to the test here and we had different answers. But I wonder who you think is the greatest American rock star of all time.
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Katie White
Well, Kurt Cobain in like a Liam Gallagher type thing of like not just a rock star, like generational inspirational people, like young people still would connect with that type of Persona of Kurt Cobain as well now. Whereas I feel like Oasis have that it's coming round and like, yeah, young people still getting into it.
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Jules De Martino
Yeah, that's a really good point. He's a more modern generation cultural.
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Katie White
But you guys do it because we're very, because we're very English and we're. We just are so in awe of how like an Elvis or somebody would just perform and just be so, I don't know, just so big in the room. In, in the UK almost it's kind of rude to be like too full of yourself and too self promoting. And in America it's the opposite. So it's completely different type of pop star. Isn't it all like rock star.
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Jules De Martino
I'm finding it really hard to pin down my great. My most favorable American. I thought. I don't like that's in the uk, I can do it easy. But in America, there's so many moments for us that we've been from, you know, from Elvis onwards, like iconic they are. So for us over here, it's always different. You know, if you've got a UK artist breaking overruled, you guys see it different to the way we see it because it's cultural here and it's maybe slightly different in the States. You're seeing it in a different entity and it's the same for us. The American inspiration or inspirance that's happened in the UK for the last 60, 70 years has been humongous. It's. You know, we're. We're fascinated by over here. I know we are. There isn't a band that's not inspired by an American outfit at some shape. And I'm finding it very difficult to. To give one so many day.
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Katie White
Then.
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Bobby Bones
I'll tell you who we said. I can tell you who we said. I said Tom Petty. Tom Petty, to me is the greatest American rock star because I could listen to his music for 20 hours and it's all dynamic. Eddie, who did you say? Do you remember who you picked? The Eagles. Eddie did pick the Eagles. I picked Tom Petty.
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Jules De Martino
I. We. I would go Eagles. But then that's because we are very influenced by them at the moment. We're so in love with them and I think that sways it. Tom Petty, wow. When we. When I used to listen to his CDs years ago and he was a bit born, but when I did he. You could see why he was so influential. But Dylan and stuff like that, again, a different. Maybe they're not rock as much as spoke or whatever, but the impact those artists had were just incredible. I mean, you can go. I know if you fast forward this, but when I was younger, rem I know maybe they're not like traditional massive classic rock stars, but that band, eight albums in, I got every single record of theirs. It just goes on from American best. I think it's also because you have the touring circuit, you have such a big country and people can learn their craft much easier than they can in the uk because once you go out, you're out there for months and I think you just get better. And I think a lot of the American rock stars if you want. Or bands, they just have this bigger thing about them and it's something that you can only get by going to the States.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, R.E.M. we're massive R.E.M. fans and so, yeah, love R.E.M. good guess. I didn't think we put them in our top five, but I think just because we weren't thinking because I think I'm pretty stupid now for not putting REM in my top five. Hey, guys. Thank you. Really, thanks for the half hour. I really appreciate it. I love the new music again. I put it on my social media. I was a fan of you guys way back in the day, and I love the sound now. Like yourself, I've also matured. Who knew? Thank you for the time and I hope you guys rehearse and do. If you come to the States and you're down near Nashville, please hit me up, Come to the studio. Would love to see you guys in person.
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Katie White
Yeah, just been talking to our agent in the States and we're planning on being there like spring, summer, next year, doing quite a big. A big amount of time.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, please, please let me know. Would love to promote it and would love to see you guys in person. Big fan. You guys have a great rest of the evening. I know it's evening there, and so thanks for the time and hopefully I'll talk to you soon.
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Jules De Martino
Thank you.
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Bobby Bones
Bye, guys. The Bobby cast. We'll be right back. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor.
- [33:24]
Drew Phillips
And I'm Drew Phillips.
- [33:25]
Bobby Bones
And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.
- [33:29]
Drew Phillips
If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you, but if you have unmedicated adhd. Oh, my God. Perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness psychobabble.
- [33:43]
Bobby Bones
Yes.
- [33:44]
Maya
Yes.
- [33:44]
Drew Phillips
Then Emergency Intercom's the podcast for you. Open your free I Heart radio app, search Emergency Intercom and listen now.
- [33:52]
Maya
The super secret bestie club podcast season four is here, and we're locked in. That means more Juicy Cheeseman, terrible love advice, evil spells to cast on your ex.
- [34:03]
Bobby Bones
No, no, we're not doing that this season.
- [34:05]
Maya
Oh, well, this season we're leveling up.
- [34:07]
Bobby Bones
Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not gonna want to miss it. Get in here. Today we have a very special guest with us. Our new super secret bestie is the diva of the people.
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Maya
The diva of the people.
- [34:22]
Bobby Bones
I'm just like Texture X. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for Yourself. Okay, that's us.
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Katie White
What the heck?
- [34:30]
Bobby Bones
That's us.
- [34:33]
Katie White
My name is Curly.
- [34:34]
Maya
And I'm Maya.
- [34:35]
Bobby Bones
In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heartbreaks, men, and of course, our favorite secrets.
- [34:42]
Maya
Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Michael Tura Podcast Network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance bro tell you how to manage your money again? Welcome to Brown Ambition Hard part When you pay down those credit cards, if you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem. A year from now when you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union. Shopping around online looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt. And it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact, it may get even worse. For more judgment free money advice, listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Bobby Bones
This is the Bobbycast. So we've really dedicated a lot of time and effort to the YouTube page, which is Bobby Bones Channel. Now there's the show YouTube page. But I felt like if I were putting Bobbycast up on that, it may get a bit lost in the mix because we put a lot of clips up on the Bobby Bone show channel and that page has 313,000 followers. Probably a little underwhelming even then. I mean, most of my socials have more than that. I just think we didn't dedicate enough. I still don't think we have the adequate manpower to dedicate fully to the Bobby Bone Show YouTube. I wish we did, but we don't. It would be nice if I could hire somebody just to do that because it's such a big part of the business now. But so far I haven't been able to do that. Now I don't get the revenue that's generated from that page. The company does as per my contract with them. And that's showbiz, baby. That's how it works. And so if they're not going to pay for somebody to spend more time, invest more time into that page, the page will only do so well. And it does pretty good. Again, it's got 300, I think 13,000 followers. My goal with that page would be to put some on it specifically. Now, over on Bobby Bones channel, I do have somebody on that page specifically, because that's my page. And so as we've been doing these, I'm gonna get deep into the weeds here. But as we get into these interviews, we have a couple of sets. We had the set that was pretty dark that we kind of moved from, and now we have the full background, but that's only temporary because we're building another set right now for this channel specifically. I like it a little lighter, and it's a little easier when it's lighter. And the chairs are different because to sit with somebody and talk for an hour. Now, this episode that you just heard wasn't an hour. It was 30 minutes. And they were in Spain and I was in the studio. So there's always a little gap, not only in the timing, and sometimes you talk over each other on Zoom, but it's not near as personal. It'd be hard to do an hour on Zoom, but when you do an hour here, and I think next week, you'll hear the Matt Ramsey Bobby cast. And Matt came over for over an hour. Matthew Ramsey is the lead singer of Old Dominion, and I like him a lot. And so we sat for an hour. But it is a very intimate thing because we are. I'm looking at the two chairs now a foot and a half from each other. And then it's just you and them for an hour. And you're kind of doing a little dance, and you can get a little tired doing it because your focus has to be maintained, and you must maintain attentiveness. And, you know, you want to be on and you want to be listening. I would compare it to a little more intense of a road trip, because you think, well, I shouldn't be tired. All I did was drive. But you've had to maintain focus for the past four or five hours. This is a much more grueling version of that. Now, it's not the mill. My stepdad worked at the mill. Not saying it is, but to sit with somebody for an hour, and then if it doesn't go well, that's on me. And my interview style has always Been a little odd in that I just don't do straight interviews. I've never done straight interviews. I don't think I would be a good straight interviewer because I feel like I have too much to say. And also, you wouldn't do an hour with somebody if you were just interviewing. And so a lot of times people will go, oh, you're talking about yourself too much. And I think that's fair. And I'm going to read a comment in a second, which is where we're getting. I think it's fair, but it's what I've always done my entire career. And it's not even talking about myself. It's one, talking to give them a break, Two, adding some texture to the conversation. And three, you're not watching it or listening to it for the most part. If you haven't heard other stuff that I've done or you're not somewhat a fan of how I do interviews. I mean, unless you're just a massive fan of that person, you're listening to every one of their interviews, you already know it's going to be more of a conversation where we're both adding elements to it. Interview would be a bit unfair to call it that. But that's always been how I've done shows, and it's always been the critique. It's like we get this research back sometimes, and the company every. You know, I think they like to do it every year, but really it's about every two years the research will come back and you're talking pages and pages and they have people all over the country that will listen to the show for weeks at a time and give all this feedback. And the feedback was always polar. And you had one part of the audience that was like, well, he gets these artists in and he talks about things other than just the artist. And then you get the other side. And I might have written about this in my second book, the Other side, that's like, you know, it's really the only interviewer that I've heard that feels like a peer to the person they're interviewing. And the reason that is is because I'm just not asking questions and waiting for an answer and just following up. Like, I feel like I'm adding. I feel like it opens them up as well to have somebody along the ride with you. Makes the ride a little easier, a little more tolerable. And so I'm going to read you a couple comments here. Now, this one was on the Dierks Bentley interview that we did earlier this week. This is from Laura6598 without an avatar. Sorry, I found this interview to be so boring, I couldn't get through it. Disappointing. Bobby talks about himself too much in every interview. Now, this is the one with Dierks. So I probably talked a little more and not even about myself, but gave my opinions on things as well, because I have known Dierks for 13 years. I mean, Dierks was at my wedding, so I do think that's a bit different. But I do think she also has a point. Not that it's disappointing, not that it's different to anything else I've ever done, but I think the point is that it's not just a standard interview. And I think at times this wouldn't hurt my feelings, but I would go, man, I wish I could talk to them and explain to them that this is the only way I've ever done it. And to this point, it has been quite successful for me and it feels the most comfortable for me. And it's the easiest way for me to get things out of them that they're not giving in other places. Now, what's funny about it? And I pulled this, and it's one screenshot. It's two comments right on top of each other. You had that one from no Avatar Laura 6598, which could be a burner. You had David Hill, dash 812 with a picture suit and tie, looking good, buddy. And he writes right under it. This is one of the best interviews I've ever done. Phenomenal conversation. Big fan of Dirk Spentley. Saw him twice. Loved how you two related. It also shows you that two things can be true. It can be extremely annoying to some and it can be extremely refreshing to others. And I'm not really comment guy. I've tried to do a better job of not just going into the comments, but going into the comments, especially when I post something new to say something like, oh, thank you, I really hope you liked it. Like, not to just be. And I really don't get triggered that often by negative comments because I don't get into the comments that often. And the negative comments usually aren't the first 10 comments, if I'm being honest. They usually come sometime in the middle. But I try to get in now and just say thanks or hey, I appreciate that, or, you know, I posted this list earlier in the week of near tragedies for country music artists. And it was everything from a car accident that Brantley Gilbert was in when he was like 19 years old. I think that was number seven. Brantley Gilbert, 2004, survived a near fatal truck accident at age 19. Number six was Hank Williams Jr. Nearly killed when he fell 500ft down a Montana mountain. While climbing he suffered multiple skull and facial fractures and had to have reconstructive surgery. Number five, Trace Atkins had multiple brushes. 1989. A head on collision left him with broken ribs and lungs collapsed. Collapsed. Excuse me, number four. In 1994, his then wife shot him in the chest. The bullet went through both lungs and his heart lining, but he somehow survived. Number three, George Jones. I have a point to this if you just hang with me. George Jones, the possum nearly died in a one car accident while driving drunk. He was in a coma for two weeks. At number two, Patsy Cline. She survived a violent car crash that threw her through the windshield. Two years before the plane crash that did kill her. She carried a scar on her forehead for the rest of her life. And at number one, it's a very famous one. Been in a movie. Waylon Jennings, 1959. Waylon Jennings was on the winter dance party tour with Buddy Holly and he gave his seat to the Big Bopper who was suffering from the flu. The plane went down February 3, 1959, killing Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and the Big Bopper, J.P. richardson. A pivotal event known as the day the music died. And so I put those up and somebody immediately fired back. Ritchie Valens was the one with the flu. Now I know that is not accurate because, well, I'm a big Buddy Holly fan. Also there have been many stories about this and the Richie Valens movie and just being a music fan and I fact checked it again before we made the image and then after they wrote that, I fact checked it again just to make sure I wasn't wrong again. And I'm wrong a lot by the way. I don't think I'm right most of the time. Maybe most of the time, not all the time. And so I just write on there, hey, I appreciate you watching and swiping through, but I'm 100% sure that it was the Big Bopper, not Richie Valens. But I appreciate that. But that's the new me. And the new me won't always exist and won't always live. But that's the new me. Where I do go into the comments a little more because I want to show appreciation for people, more so than just getting triggered by the negatives. But I do not go into the comments often. And the reason I've seen those comments on the YouTube, by the way, is because we're trying to build it up. Like, I've invested a lot of time and a lot of money into the production, into paying somebody, which is Brandon. He's killing it, building a new set. Like we're, you know, knees deep into that. Not cheap, but it's all right. That's part of the business. Just gonna read some more. This one was a comment on the YouTube. On the Jay Renshaw Chit interview. Chit is a character on TikTok. He's hilarious. It's been killing online. Every video goes viral, meaning it's millions and millions of views. It's so funny. So we tracked Jay Renshaw down, the guy who does Chit, and is one of the two writers of the sketch, of the skits, of the bits. And we interviewed him and the thing went crazy. The whole video, as of right now, it's been up like three days. It's got over 200,000 views, which is crushing on YouTube. I just checked with Mike on the podcast, and the podcast is doing pretty good, but not near as well as YouTube, because obviously if it's social media and you're watching one thing, you're watching a chit video on YouTube, it's gonna feed you other Chit things. And that's the benefit of basically a for you page. And so in that interview, I say to Jay, Chit, you gave everyone proof that anyone can make it, because he just did his thing. They just started doing these sketches on TikTok. No massive production, no money. And this is the comment From Only Human 3. Quote, you gave everyone proof that anyone can make it. You're saying that about the Groundlings guy who had his toes dipped in big productions. Curb is not small by any means. And a dude who decided to leave his life behind to travel to LA to pursue acting without having any experience in acting, not bashing the guy. Chit's hilarious. But to call it zero to hero is a big stretch. Excuse me, I will continue to enjoy Chit. I use his catchphrases all the time. This could not be more of a wrong comment because, yeah, he's in a group, but that would be like me making a video and them going, well, no, no, no, you're on the Bob Bones Show. You had all the benefits in the world. First of all, had I not created the Bobby Bones show, and second of all, I'm not doing anything with the money from the Bobby Bones show or that the show would own it. And Jay Renshaw is not using the money from the Groundlings. It's a group that he auditioned for, got in, climbed up himself, probably acquired skills from being in it. And also when he talked about being on Curb, his part got cut, and it was a very small part, so this guy could not be more wrong. But I did comment. Hey, I appreciate your feedback. That was a generic one for me, but I don't get it. Also, it's like, just because you have access to something doesn't mean you're an expert in it. And I think that's most people on the Internet, just in general now. I don't want to just read bad ones because it's against everything I was just talking about. I'm just giving you an example of somebody thinking they know something when they really don't, when they probably still think they really do. This one's from Patsy Sivak, and I appreciate this one. You just plain do a good job at interviews. I learned something every time. Outstanding. And then Trent Downs writes, I've been watching this chit interview for over five minutes. There's already been three ad breaks. No bueno. Do better. Well, here's the thing. I don't put the ad breaks in. Like, you can choose to monetize your YouTube, which I did click the monetization button, which means you're going to see an ad. I have nothing to do. It's like commercials on the radio show. I have nothing to do with commercials on the radio show. I don't even hear them. Maybe one minute, maybe two minutes an hour. Do we hear commercials? But we really don't hear them because they're played through a different feed. It's like commercials on the podcast. We have to get paid. And how do we make that money to get paid? They have to be able to sell commercials based off of our success. And when there's a lack of success, when inevitably there will be a lack of success from us. We have been running an enormously long time, and it's been an excellent run, but it will end, and it will probably end because we're not performing at a level for them to sell enough spots to pay us and to make money for the company. But we don't dictate any of that. We don't dictate how long commercial breaks are. We don't dictate. We have nothing to do with it, except we have to just show up and do compelling content. It's like somebody said something the other day. I was like, you should stick to talking about music. I don't talk about music unless it's on this podcast only. And there was something about the radio show. I was talking about Cracker Barrel, and they're like, you should stick to talking about music. The Bobby Bones show has always been about culture, as in pop culture, a bit of human culture and my life. And at times people are like, will you talk about yourself too much on the show that's named the Bobby Bones Show? But I'm really trying to do a better job of not letting people's access get to me, because people with access, and I try to leave the access open for everybody. I don't turn my DMs off. I mean, you pop in, may not see it. Probably. Probably will see it. Don't respond to all of them. But I do like to have it there. But just because you have access doesn't mean that you're an expert. Actually, you're not expert at all. I'm an expert in, like one and a half things, period in life. Not 94, but that was me talking about the comments. Hey, continue leaving them. The whole point of this was there's the comment situation and then there's me. And the relationship has changed over the years. You can say DMs as well. And it's much more positive now. I'm appreciative. And a lot of those that are supposed to get under my skin, I try to let it roll off. I won't always, but mostly I think I will. I'm a little more mature. I appreciate you guys. I think we're going to wrap this episode right now. Thanks for the ting tings. Matthew Ramsey coming up next week from Old Dominion. Please, I beg. No, I don't beg, but I ask. If you're on YouTube, go subscribe to the Bobby Bones Channel. That would be awesome. Leave a comment. Hey, thanks. And we'll see you next week. Thanks for listening to a Bobbycast production. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor.
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Drew Phillips
And I'm Drew Phillips.
- [52:42]
Bobby Bones
And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.
- [52:46]
Drew Phillips
You're a crime junkie and you love crimes. We're not the podcast for you, but if you have unmedicated adhd.
- [52:55]
Bobby Bones
Oh, my God, perfect.
- [52:56]
Drew Phillips
And want to hear people with mental illness psycho babble.
- [53:01]
Bobby Bones
Yes.
- [53:01]
Maya
Yes.
- [53:02]
Drew Phillips
Then Emergency Intercom's the podcast for you. Open your free iHeartradio app, search emergency Intercom and listen now.
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Bobby Bones
Hi, it's Honey German, and I'm back with season two of my podcast. Gracias. Come again.
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Katie White
We got you.
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Bobby Bones
When it comes to the latest in music and entertainment, with interviews with some of your favorite Latin artists and celebrities. You didn't have to audition. No, I didn't audition. I haven't auditioned in, like, over 25 years. Oh, wow. That's a real G talk right there.
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Katie White
Oh, yeah.
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Bobby Bones
We'll talk about all that's viral and trending with a little bit of Cheeseman and a whole lot of laughs. And, of course, the great B you've come to expect. Listen to the new season of Gracias. Come again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Maya
The super secret bestie club podcast. Season four is here, and we're locked in. That means more juicy Cheeseman, terrible love advice, evil spells to cast on your ex.
- [53:57]
Bobby Bones
No, no, we're not doing that this season.
- [53:59]
Maya
Oh, well, this season we're leveling up.
- [54:01]
Bobby Bones
Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not gonna wanna miss it. My name is Curly.
- [54:06]
Maya
And I'm Maya.
- [54:07]
Bobby Bones
Get in here.
- [54:10]
Maya
Listen to the super secret bestie Club on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.