FEELING THINGS: 5 Things to Say Instead of “It Will Be Okay” (Hint: Bring Cookies, Not Advice)

Summary

The Bobby Bones Show: Feeling Things

Episode Title: 5 Things to Say Instead of “It Will Be Okay” (Hint: Bring Cookies, Not Advice)
Hosts: Amy & Kat
Date: February 15, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and lively episode of “Feeling Things,” Amy and licensed therapist Kat discuss alternatives to the well-worn (and sometimes unhelpful) phrase, "It will be okay." They share five practical, thoughtful things you can say or do instead—especially when you truly don’t know if it's going to be okay. The episode weaves in candid stories of recent personal experiences, including coping with perimenopause and surviving winter power outages, while acknowledging the comfort of small joys like pottery, TV shows, books, and the generosity of friends. The tone is vulnerable, humorous, and deeply human—inviting listeners to lean into empathy and connection in tough moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Embracing Nuanced Feelings

Content is a valid feeling:

• Kat shares her “feeling of the day” and the challenge of naming emotions that are “in-between.”
• "I'm just content. But I'm not usually just content." (03:00, Kat)

Normalizing the spectrum:

• Both discuss how not all feelings need to be extreme, and “meh” can be added to the “wheel of feelings.” (04:51)

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2. Valentine’s Day, Low-Key Traditions, and Honest Expectations

• Both hosts discuss the pressure and expectations of Valentine’s Day when compounded by other life events (like anniversaries).
• Kat’s at-home pottery and pizza date is celebrated as a win, despite the pizza failing—reinforcing the value of simple, low-pressure togetherness. (05:27)

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3. Solo Travel & Being Seen

• The hosts discuss the appeal and intimidation of traveling alone, with Amy expressing curiosity and Kat humorously realizing she prefers not to be approached by strangers when solo. (12:47–14:15)
• Amy admires her sister’s solo Paris charcuterie picnic—“that's so cool. I can't believe my sister's doing that.” (11:51, Amy)

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4. Perimenopause & The Power of Being Understood

Amy’s candid journey:

• Amy talks openly about experiencing perimenopause, referencing the documentary “Balance: A Perimenopause Journey” and its validation of women’s hormonal fluctuations.

Notable Quotes:

• "Men go through one change and that's puberty. That's it. We go through puberty every month..." (25:13, Amy)
• Kat: “I think also... having men in your life understand that is just as important as having you understand it, too.” (19:32)
• Amy shares how her search for a compassionate female hormone doctor is part of self-advocacy.

Impact on relationships:

• They discuss how hormonal changes can strain relationships and the importance of partners being informed and empathic.

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5. Living Through a Winter Outage: Asking for (and Accepting) Support

• Amy recounts the ordeal of losing power during an ice storm—resisting offers of help and finally breaking down before accepting a friend’s invitation. (35:01–43:22)
• "On that Wednesday, I finally caved..." (45:17, Amy)

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6. The Featured Topic: 5 Things to Say Instead of “It Will Be Okay”

Kat, as therapist, offers alternatives: (36:09–65:26)

The List & Explanations:

1. Validation:

   • “Gosh, that sounds really hard.”
   • "When I'm struggling with something, it feels good... for somebody to be like, yeah, you're not being dramatic, like, that does sound really hard." (37:12, Kat)

2. Ask What’s Needed:

   • “What do you need from me right now?”
   • Recognize: sometimes people don’t know what they need. Be ready to just show up or offer practical help.

3. Acts of Care/Nonverbal Support:

   • Just do something thoughtful: drop cookies, bring groceries, handle a chore, leave a meal.
   • “Sometimes you don't have to ask. You can just show up with cookies.” (38:47, Kat)

4. Normalize Human Reactions:

   • “To me, it sounds like you’re having a human reaction to what's going on.”
   • Use when people downplay their struggle or feel they should “handle” more.

5. Be Honest & Present:

   • “I don't really know the right thing to say, but I'm here.”
   • Sometimes simply being present, acknowledging uncertainty, is most powerful.

Scripts Matter:

• Both hosts discuss the value of “scripts”—short, clear lines for difficult moments, to avoid rambling or inadvertently minimizing someone’s emotions.
• “Clear is kind. Unclear is unkind.” (64:08, Amy)

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7. Listener Feedback and Community

Listener Voicemail (Heather from Alberta, Canada):

• Heather shares how the podcast (even when “random” or off-topic) provides laughter and company during tough drives to visit her father in the hospital.
• "I love the randomness. I love that it just feels like I'm listening to friends... I am just so excited whenever I see a new episode because I know it's gonna lighten my mood." (68:19, Heather)
• The hosts reflect on the importance of being authentic, even if not everyone “gets it.”
• “Different strokes for different folks.” (70:49, Kat)

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8. Lighthearted Banter & Book Club Ideas

• Debate over how to rate books and distinguish genres.
• Amy proposes a future book club with listeners, possibly with historical fiction or a popular new release. (66:11–67:00)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (Selected w/Timestamps)

• Kat, on contentment:
  "I'm just content. But I'm not usually just content." (03:00)

• Amy, on Valentine’s Day:
  “You're like, we've married two years now. We have nothing planned.” (06:10)

• Amy, on perimenopause:
  "Men go through one change and that's puberty. That's it. We go through puberty every month..." (25:13)

• Kat, on being validated:
  “When I'm struggling with something, it feels good to be seen in that way... yeah, you're not being dramatic, that does sound really hard.” (37:12)

• Amy, on scripts:
  "Clear is kind. Unclear is unkind." (64:08)

• Heather (Listener):
  "I love the randomness. I love that it just feels like I’m listening to friends..." (68:19)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:00 — Kat’s “content” feeling and normalizing middle-ground emotions
• 05:27 — Valentine’s/Anniversary traditions and managing expectations
• 11:51 — Solo travel stories and self-discovery
• 15:34–19:28 — Perimenopause documentary reflections and relationships
• 35:01–43:22 — Surviving the power outage, asking for (and accepting) help
• 36:09–65:26 — Five things to say instead of "It will be okay" (main feature)
• 68:19 — Listener voicemail: podcast as comfort during difficult times
• 66:11–67:00 — Potential book club plans and engaging the listener community

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Takeaway: Five Alternatives to “It Will Be Okay”

1. “Gosh, that sounds really hard.”
   Validate, don’t diminish.

2. “What do you need from me right now?”
   Offer support, don’t assume.

3. Acts of care (bring cookies, do laundry, etc.)
   Nonverbal help can go further than words.

4. “It sounds like you’re having a human reaction to what’s going on.”
   Normalize, especially when people feel “too much.”

5. “I don’t really know the right thing to say, but I’m here.”
   Be honest and present.

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Final Tone

Friendly, authentic, compassionate, and often gently funny—the episode is a testament to creating real human connection even when you don’t have the perfect words. The hosts model self-compassion while encouraging listeners to hold space for themselves and others.

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For scripts and full list, see episode show notes.

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[Kat]

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[Amy]

Break it down. If you ever have feelings and you.

[Kat]

Just want some, maybe a cat got.

[Amy]

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[Kat]

Ladies and fell, we just follow in.

[Amy]

The spirit where it tell us from.

[Kat]

The real stuff to the chill stuff.

[Amy]

And the in between. Sometimes the best thing you can do is just stop and feel things.

[Kat]

This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat.

[Amy]

Happy Thursday. Welcome to Feeling Things. I'm Amy.

[Kat]

And I'm Kat.

[Amy]

And today we're going to get into things you can tell yourself so that you're going to think it's okay when it's really not okay.

[Kat]

No, that's not what we're talking about. It stinks. To say when you're not sure if it's going to be okay.

[Amy]

That's it.

[Kat]

Yeah. That's close.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Kat being the licensed therapist. Yeah. She's gonna guide us through five things to say instead of it will be okay.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

That's more like it. But before we get into that, I want to talk about, look, what we're reading or watching, what we're listening to, all the things.

[Kat]

Can I share my feeling of the day first?

[Amy]

Well, yeah, that's normally how we start things.

[Kat]

Okay. This was hard for me because I wanted to say I was excited, but I'm not feeling excited. I just was feeling fine. But fine's not a feeling, so it took me a while to get here. I'm just content. But I'm not usually just content. I feel like I operate in, like, a, you know, both sides of the spectrum and not in the center. So I'm just feeling content.

[Amy]

I like that you're sharing, like, a middle of the road feeling, so. Because it normalizes it, like. Yeah. Because a lot of times our feelings are extreme. Yeah. And it's like you can just be content, and there's nothing wrong with that. Right.

[Kat]

But if I'm just feeling content and I'm not usually like that, somebody might think there's something wrong with me, you know, because I'm not like, hey, just like, hi.

[Amy]

What are y' all doing for Valentine's Day? Well, and this. This is popping in my head because I was texting with another friend earlier, and she was talking about how Valentine's Day is just kind of always meh. And I was like, yeah, meh is a good feeling. I know it's not an official feeling, but meh.

[Kat]

We could Add it to the wheel.

[Amy]

We could add it to the wheel of feelings. Just, meh.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

You know? So she's like, I don't really have high expectations. Just kind of is what it is. And so I was like, oh, I wonder what Cat and Big P are doing.

[Kat]

Well, I don't feel well, maybe I do feel mad about Valentine's Day. It's just so close to our anniversary. Because our anniversary is the 16th, which I chose that I just, like, wasn't thinking right.

[Amy]

And you don't have to get dressed up for something like, twice.

[Kat]

I don't even want to get dressed up in my head first.

[Amy]

Well, I'm thinking, gosh, if you had to get dressed up on the 14th to go do something, and then you got to get dressed up on the 16th to do something, I would definitely combine well.

[Kat]

And you know me, I like to look forward to something. So it's kind of annoying that these things are back to back, because also, you don't want to spend or I don't want to spend a lot of money. Like, two days almost back to back. So last year, we did good. Well, that's my idea. So I did good. But we ordered. This is where my pottery started. We ordered an at home pottery kit and made pizza at home. The pizzas were not good, but the pottery was really fun, and it was cute, and we got to stay in our pajamas.

[Amy]

Oh, yeah. I love that. Okay.

[Kat]

This year, we have no plans.

[Amy]

Well, that's good. I mean, you don't have to, y'. All.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I mean, you've already. What are you celebrating your second anniversary?

[Kat]

Yeah. How boring.

[Amy]

You're like, we've married two years now. We have nothing planned.

[Kat]

But also, I feel like Valentine's Day is stressful to go out because you have to get a reservation, like, three.

[Amy]

Months before, and it's on a Saturday night this year, so competing with people that already are going out on a Saturday.

[Kat]

And a lot of those restaurants do, like, prefix menus, and I'm like, I don't want the prefix menu. I want to pick what I want. I don't want it to come with all those things, you know? So we're probably gonna go get pizza somewhere.

[Amy]

That's so funny, because, like, I love a prefix menu because I don't have to think. No, it just is what it is.

[Kat]

But what if you want something and.

[Amy]

I don't have to make a decision.

[Kat]

But what if it's not what you wanted?

[Amy]

It's probably gonna be good if you're going somewhere that has a prefixed menu.

[Kat]

I'm a little pickier than that.

[Amy]

Yeah, that's true.

[Kat]

So I. Yeah.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

What are you doing?

[Amy]

Going to the UVA vs Ohio basketball game at Bridgestone.

[Kat]

You don't sound excited or content.

[Amy]

I mean, it is what it is. It's on Valentine's Day. It's a Saturday night, so it says. It's confusing. If you look it up online, it says, like, at Ohio. So I got confused for a second. Like, we're not. I'm not going to Ohio for.

[Kat]

You don't think I'm going to the.

[Amy]

Basketball game on the Valentine's weekend. But it's at Bridgestone here in Nashville.

[Kat]

So why is that Ohio's home?

[Amy]

I guess it's just one of those games. Sometimes they play games where they go meet somewhere in a neutral.

[Kat]

Lucky you.

[Amy]

I don't know why UVA and Ohio are playing a game of Bridgestone, but.

[Kat]

Wait, is it the, like, SEC tournament or something? Don't know.

[Amy]

It's. Acc. Yeah. So I don't know. We're doing. We're doing that. I have no idea if we're a bunch of. So my boyfriend went to uva and a bunch of his friends from college, they're all coming to Nashville.

[Kat]

Is the person coming that you spilled the drink on?

[Amy]

Yes.

[Kat]

Oh, you get to have, like, a little round too. Okay.

[Amy]

And I'm like, please. You know, the last sporting event I saw her at the football game, I spilled a drink. And. Yeah. So my goal is gonna be to not. Not spill a drink on her again. So that's our big plan. But I like the idea of also if we were to do something in addition to that, celebrate it being low key, like you were saying, with making dinner at home and maybe pottery, I don't know. Or something along the lines of that.

[Kat]

I don't see you and Alex to be bothering.

[Amy]

Probably not.

[Kat]

Alex will be like, whose idea was this?

[Amy]

I think he would. He's like. He surprisingly might be more down for it than you think.

[Kat]

Okay, well, then I challenge you to make pottery.

[Amy]

Okay, the thing is, I don't know if I want to do that.

[Kat]

Okay, well, if you change your mind, I have all the supplies, so just call me.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

What are you watching on tv? Anything.

[Amy]

I'm desperate for something to watch. I finished my documentary.

[Kat]

Well, we can talk about that. But I feel like I'm in the same boat as you. I've been rolling through things really fast. Like, we watched his and her or her. His and hers. We watched another show I don't know the name. I'm now watching the Pit season two. Here's the problem. Season one, I watched it after it had been out for months. So all the episodes were. I could just watch. I watched it in like a week. They only released one episode a week. It's driving me crazy. Yeah, that's not how I. It's like, I want to watch this show so bad because I love it, but I also want to watch it all at once. And so I can't, like, have the self control to not watch it. But then I also, when I watch it, I get mad because I'm like, where's the other episode?

[Amy]

Right. I think that I've. I have a love hate relationship with that style too, obviously. Obviously. It's the only way we could watch TV back in the day. However, I do get excited when that day rolls around and I'm like, oh, it's Wednesday. Or, oh, it's Thursday. And I'm like, oh, there's a new episode up. Yeah, it is. It evokes some sort of excitement and feeling around that with tv impatience.

[Kat]

Also watching Traitors, which is one episode a week. Are you into that?

[Amy]

No. I don't even know. You've tried to tell me about it and I don't even know. I just. You just had some game show. No, it's a reality.

[Kat]

You say game. It's not a game show or a reality show. It's the best combination of both.

[Amy]

And so it's not either of them. It's both.

[Kat]

It's both of them together. Patrick likes it. He doesn't really like reality tv, although he's gotten really into Summer House.

[Amy]

I keep seeing some. Some.

[Kat]

Which is like the trashiest of the reality.

[Amy]

Yeah, I could get into that. I keep see ads on Netflix for some show called Alone. And I don't really know what that is. I don't know, but I'm like, it's like a real show where people have to survive somewhere alone. And I'm like, I want to go somewhere alone. Not.

[Kat]

Not on that show.

[Amy]

Yeah. I don't want to have to, like, figure it out and survive for myself.

[Kat]

But do you want to go on a trip? Maybe go on a vacation alone?

[Amy]

Maybe I just need to go. Yeah. For like a weekend alone somewhere.

[Kat]

Or a day.

[Amy]

Like a day trip to Leapers Fork or something.

[Kat]

Well, you could do that.

[Amy]

Yeah. I need to like, work that in. I think it would be very nice.

[Kat]

Are you a trap? Like, would you travel alone to. On a, like, vacation by choice I.

[Amy]

Haven'T yet, but yes, I would. When my desire. That I don't.

[Kat]

Okay. But I would do it. If you had to.

[Amy]

I guess I wouldn't be. Oh, here's. Okay, here's my official answer. I haven't done it, but I'm not opposed to it. Like, it's not unveiling to me. I don't even know that that's it. I'm saying when I see other people do it, I'm intrigued. And I'm like, wow, that might be really cool to do one day. I'm not like, oh, I would never do that. Because some people, I think, look at that, and they're like, you would never catch me doing that.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

But like, my sister, when she went to visit my niece, so her daughter was studying in Spain for college, like, a semester, and my sister went over to see her. But on her way to Spain, she stopped in Paris for a couple of days by herself. And she went and got, like, this charcuterie board. I don't know, maybe by a little vendor or something. But it had, like, fruit and cheese and meat. And, like, she got a bottle of wine, and she went and sat on the grass by the Eiffel Tower all by herself. And I was like, that's so cool. I can't believe my sister's doing that. I was really proud of her, and I thought, this is a good trip for her. But she had a final destination to be with somebody else. It wasn't like, the full trip. And then we have another friend. She's actually closer to you than me. I just know her through you. But she went to. I believe it was Paris by herself.

[Kat]

Oh, yeah, she's actually traveled. She traveled to Spain by herself. But she also talks to people. Like she is. She meets people, and, like, she actually has gone on dates with people, which is kind of scary.

[Amy]

Oh, I'm not gonna do that. But, no, no, if you do that.

[Kat]

You'Ve got to share your location with a lot of people, but.

[Amy]

And make sure they know.

[Kat]

I'm also like. At one time, I was like, I'm gonna be the kind of person that can, like, travel alone. I don't even like to go eat by myself, you know? But I think it would be different if you're in a city that nobody knows you, you know? So I did, like, a pretend alone trip where I went to Chicago with my friend. But then she had a work event, so she was gone for, like, a day and a half. So I was there in Chicago for a day and A half by myself. And I took myself out to eat to get like deep dish pizza, which I decided I didn't like. Just I want the cheese on the top of it, you know?

[Amy]

Okay, yes, I have.

[Kat]

It just like, wasn't the. I didn't anyway. But I went to a bar that's like, I guess it was a famous type of place. I looked it up, wouldn't go, and I'm sitting at the bar. This was like 20, 19, 2020, something like that. And I remember thinking, I hope nobody talks to me. Like, I was like, I gotta eat this pizza and get out because I don't want anybody to talk to me. That's what people talk about. It's like, you go to a bar, you sit, you strike up random conversation with a stranger, blah, blah. And I was like, wanted to be invisible. And I said, traveling alone is not for me.

[Amy]

Yeah, see, I think you have nailed that down for yourself. Like, you know that that's clear. I don't think I've nailed that down.

[Kat]

You're better at conversating with random people than I am. You're very.

[Amy]

I can.

[Kat]

But do you enjoy it?

[Amy]

I don't mind it.

[Kat]

I do want to get better at that. I want to just be like a small talker, you know?

[Amy]

Yeah. You know what I small talked about the other night at a like a parent get together. And it was with moms that like, I didn't know at all. And, you know, I figured out the new small talk for people my age is perimenopause. 100%. How did you know?

[Kat]

Because you talk about it a lot.

[Amy]

Yeah, but it's like you want to instantly, like, have something to talk about and seem like, oh, we all kind of know each other. Like each other. Not that it wasn't that vibe of we didn't like each other, but it's like you don't know each other. It's a common thing, trying to talk.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And it was almost like I mentioned the documentary, which is what I had been watching. I mentioned, have y' all seen Balance? A perimenopause journey? And it's like all these ears perk up and they're like getting out their phones and like writing it down. And I was like, oh, this is interesting. This is like the new. Instead of like weather, it's like perimenopause.

[Kat]

But with a specific audience.

[Amy]

Yes.

[Kat]

Okay. Yeah.

[Amy]

So I mean, but I think you could strike it up with men, especially if they're married and they're my age, then their wife is going through it.

[Kat]

What would be your opener?

[Amy]

My opener is the documentary.

[Kat]

Well, so do you just say, so have you seen this?

[Amy]

Yeah, because it just came out, like, 10 days ago or something. So you say, have you seen that new documentary that Alyssa Milano helped with called Balance A Perimenopause Journey? And they're like, no. Where do we watch it? I'm like, well, you can watch it on Apple or Amazon, but you have to pay for it.

[Kat]

Oh, really?

[Amy]

And it's four episodes. Yeah, you have to pay. But here's my thing. I think it was worth it. Sometimes I was a little bored, just to be honest. But it's very medical, so some stuff was just. I'm like, wow, they know a lot, which is good.

[Kat]

Don't you think eventually it'll become streamable?

[Amy]

I hope so. My frustration was, I wish this was free to all, because some people that probably really want to watch it, they're. They're like, whatever. I'm already paying an arm and a leg for all these streaming services or my cable. Like, I'm not gonna pay another $8 to watch this. Which mine was only 8 because I opted for the SD version, which is the cheaper.

[Kat]

Well, I'm sure that was just as good, right?

[Amy]

It's just as good.

[Kat]

What was the HD version?

[Amy]

It's like a dollar more per episode.

[Kat]

Oh, okay. Per episode, that's four more dollars.

[Amy]

Or sometimes like, 99 cents. Like, I don't know how anybody ever downloads the HD version. Like, that's just not that important to me.

[Kat]

Right.

[Amy]

I'm always gonna get the cheaper option. So anyway, I watched it alone. The documentary?

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Yeah, I watched it.

[Kat]

I don't know if you, like, gathered your family and, like, guys, this is what I'm going through.

[Amy]

I probably should. Like, anybody in my orbit is required to watch this.

[Kat]

Did you start sending $8 to everybody you know?

[Amy]

Yeah. Could you go ahead and watch this, please? It did make me think about my marriage, though. And this is not why I got divorced at all. But one of the doctors in the documentary, and she was saying this in jests, like, it was not. There's. This is not data. It's not facts. But she was having clients come to her, and she'd be like, you know, about every three weeks they're wanting to get a divorce, and then it would be a cycle, but it was because the hormone shifts that their body was going through, and they couldn't explain it, but they were, like, over their relationship. Like, certain levels obviously ruin your sex drive. So then you're not connected intimately there. You feel crazy, everything annoys you and you can't explain it. And it's all hormonal. And sometimes if you have a doctor that knows, you may go in and start describing all of your symptoms.

[Kat]

And you're a doctor that knows. Shouldn't doctors.

[Amy]

Well, not all doctors, no. There was so many women, they had everyday women talking about doctor's appointments that they had where they went in and they felt completely dismissed. But then they would go to some of the doctors now that specialize in perimenopause with the knowledge and the, the notoriety now of like, oh, I need to go to this doctor, she clearly will hear me and believe me. And they're like, oh my gosh, I feel so seen. Like this one girl, she talked about how she had some of the symptoms too early, but there is no too early. She was just younger than early. I mean, she was having stuff happen. Well, I don't want to put it in a box because I'm not a medical professional and I think it can happen to anyone at any time it seems. But I'm in the window right now where I'm like prime perimenopause. So a girl that was younger than me was having symptoms and she went in and like he ended up prescribing her like a pain reliever and like some other mental health type medication that really wasn't addressing what's going on with her. Yeah. Or like, yeah, you have anxiety or you have. But really maybe what they need is a hormone replacement. Maybe they're lacking in estrogen, they're lacking in progesterone, they need some testosterone, whatever. And getting their levels checked.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Anyway, I thought it was really interesting and I felt seen and I felt heard, but I also was like, oh man, I wonder how many people are getting divorced during that perimenopause type.

[Kat]

Because I think they just like, don't look.

[Amy]

Because it can be a 10 year period. It's not like, it's just, you know, a few weeks of it and they're like, okay, I'm done. But if you have a 10 year period and you're not seeking any type of treatment or help for it.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

That can be taxing on your relationship.

[Kat]

Yeah. And I think also I was joking while saying, like, did you get everybody watch it? But having men in your life understand that is just as important as having you understand it too. Because I'm not in perimenopause. But you know, I've had some hormone hormonal shifts in my life. And when you're in it, sometimes, you know, like, I'm. This is not real life, but sometimes you don't. And so it'd be helpful if, like, your partner or whoever could also see those shifts so they could help minimize the destruction of that. Because when you're so close to it, sometimes you can't see it.

[Amy]

They had a husband in the documentary where his wife was sharing stuff, like in a confessional type interview. And then he was being interviewed as well. And so he. He was like, yeah, it was rough. He was like.

[Kat]

But also like, I hope men have compassion for that because I know it's. People joke about it of, like, women and their hormones and blah, blah, blah. And especially even having their periods and stuff like that. It is hard. Like, it is exhausting. Again, I'm not in perimenopause, but is it. It is exhausting just to have, like, the normal, like, monthly mood swings that. To know that, like, every month you're not going to feel like yourself and have to, like, wait through that. And then. So for you, I. I'm assuming it can be more during the month or you can go three months and it cannot.

[Amy]

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[Amy]

Men go through one change and that's puberty.

[Kat]

That's it.

[Amy]

We go through puberty every month. We go through a change every single month until we hit perimenopause. We still have the monthly changes in. Then we hit menopause. Then there's postmenopause like we have. You take into account pregnancies, miscarriages. I mean, there's so many different. That is things that we endure where men go through one thing.

[Kat]

That's nuts.

[Amy]

Yeah, it is. Yeah. They need to have some compassion. And I feel, like I said, I feel validated. I'm thankful to have this information now. And obviously with social media, it's sort of like every turn now, it's like perimenopause and I feel like it can feel. I feel like it can feel. Let me see how I can say this better. I. I don't want to use it as a crutch of like a default of like, oh, well, this perimenopause. But even from my golfer's elbow, that's perimenopause. Like my ache and my. I mean, I know I don't golf, but that's what it's called. I did get golf pants for Christmas, though I haven't gotten to wear them yet. But they're very cute.

[Kat]

Do you prefer a pant or a skirt?

[Amy]

Well, it was Christmas, so winter time. I prefer either. But these were really cute plaid pants that I mentioned in passing once to my boyfriend, and I guess he must have ordered them in that moment. And I'm like, I know there's other things I've mentioned, but that's okay. That's right.

[Kat]

That's the one. It's because you said golf.

[Amy]

He's like, oh, golf.

[Kat]

You probably like diamond earrings.

[Amy]

Must order golf pants. They're very cute, though. Okay, so my golfer's elbow is my perimenopause. But it's like, no knowing now that hearing other women talk about the different aches and pains that they feel and we have this validation now, it helps with the sanity part.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I think of the generation before us where they didn't have that information, and they just had all these different physical and emotional ailments, and they had no.

[Kat]

There's no excuse.

[Amy]

No excuse other than, like, explanation. Yeah. Like, okay, what's this pain? What's this pain? And almost like you would think if you went to a doctor and started explaining, everything would be like, this woman's a little.

[Kat]

Like it's in your head. Like, you have.

[Amy]

Okay, you have everything wrong with you.

[Kat]

Yes, I do.

[Amy]

It feels like everything is wrong.

[Kat]

Wrong with me. Yeah.

[Amy]

You know, there's good days and bad days. I mean, there's. The good days are harder to find.

[Kat]

What's today?

[Amy]

That's where a lot of women. It was sad. They're like, I just. Overall, like, I just don't feel joy. They're like, it's so. I can't find it anywhere. And they're trying. It's not for lack of trying. And they have things to be happy about. And they're not trying to be like Debbie Downer, but they're just like, I'm a shell of who I used to be.

[Kat]

Yeah. Everything's gray. And I'm like, so are you feeling that?

[Amy]

It made me think of, like, a couple months ago, there was this one Monday I felt great.

[Kat]

You said a couple months ago?

[Amy]

Yeah. And I was like, what was I doing around that time? You know, I'm trying to, like, piece it together. I'm like, was I going to more Pilates? Was I moving more? Was I eating differently? Like, what was I doing? Because I remember that Monday as being like, this is a good day. And I know it was a Monday because we had recorded that day. And then afterwards, I went over to my boyfriend's, and I just remember it was on that drive. I'm like, I'm feeling great today. That's. That's the last time I felt great.

[Kat]

Your job is a hard job to have while feeling. Why are you looking like that now.

[Amy]

That you're finishing your sentence? Feels like my job's a hard job.

[Kat]

I Think your job is hard?

[Amy]

Oh, yeah.

[Kat]

It would be hard with what I feel.

[Amy]

Yes.

[Kat]

But like. But because I do want to say.

[Amy]

On the radio sometimes, but your job is.

[Kat]

Maybe it's not as hard as, like, brain surgery, but your job would be hard for me, so. But in general, I just don't think I'd be good at your job. But you have to have a hard job to be going through this. Because you just me saying, like, when's the last time you like that? Monday, months ago. But you can't act like that on the radio. And you're on the radio every day.

[Amy]

Yeah. I mean, let me be clear. I've had good days. I'm saying that Monday was a great day. Like, that I felt really, really good. And, you know, we've talked about whimsy a lot, and I just think maybe I need to be more intentional about my whimsy because I. But then it's like, why is the whimsy even more difficult? And it's like, we're not getting any better. It's sort of like if I'm depleted of something, I can't just expect for it to get better. So anyway, I'm seeking out help. I'm going to find a hormone doctor. I. I already found one. I just need to make the appointment. And I've had my blood work done before, but then I don't follow through. Just classic adhd. But then I want to go actually where I had it done. I don't know that they would have been able to specifically guide me. Like, I want, like a female. I want you to know. I want you to experience what I'm talking about. Because if I go to a man and be like you, it's nothing against men. I love men, but they only go through one change.

[Kat]

Yeah. I'm one of those people who's like, you don't have to, like, as a therapist, I don't have to, like, go through everything to be able to help my clients.

[Amy]

True.

[Kat]

And. And sometimes it helps.

[Amy]

Sometimes.

[Kat]

Sometimes does help. So I get that. If there's possible. If there's a possibility for you to have a female, I think you might be able to get a different level of compassion that just wouldn't be accessible to a guy because he just. You can't explain it.

[Amy]

No.

[Kat]

To. To the full extent.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

Well, that's really good times.

[Kat]

Fun. What else have you been doing?

[Amy]

I've been reading a lot. This is my year of reading, and I've been reading so much or listening on audible and Reading. And I am thoroughly enjoying it. And it's so funny because Kat and I. I'll tell this to the listeners. Can I tell them about Beach Read?

[Kat]

Of course.

[Amy]

Well, you're. Because your memory. Because one thing that perimenopause is like. Memory is like, I can't remember anything.

[Kat]

Do you think this is a sign?

[Amy]

I don't think you're perimenopausal yet, but I was talking about one of Emily Henry's books, Beach Read and how I'm not really. It's not my favorite like her other books I have really, really enjoyed Happy Place and Book Lovers I loved. And then Beach Read, I'm like, meh.

[Kat]

And what would you rate it out of five?

[Amy]

Meh out of five?

[Kat]

Yeah. Like, if you were on Goodreads, what would you rate it?

[Amy]

Okay, 3.2.5.

[Kat]

I'm not. I'm not reading a book that somebody gave a 2.5.

[Amy]

Okay, 3. I'll give it a 3 because it's not totally terrible. It's just meh. But I give, like Book Lovers and Happy Place a five for the rom com category. You gave him a five for the category?

[Kat]

That means your three is really a two. Really?

[Amy]

You what? You wouldn't give a good rom com book A5?

[Kat]

Okay, well, I can't speak on those books, but I wouldn't give either of the Emily Henry books that I read a five. They're good stories. I just wouldn't give them a. I would give them a four. Okay.

[Amy]

Which is still pretty high for the. I go for the category, but, like, also the Nightingale for historical fiction. 5.

[Kat]

Right, but how would you compare that Nightingale to Emily Henry?

[Amy]

That. You can't compare them. They're totally different. Like, how I would compare them is in Book Lovers, there's a sister relationship, and in Nightingale there's a sister relationship. And both books made me want to call my sister.

[Kat]

Oh, that's sweet.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

So that's how. They're the same to me.

[Kat]

Okay. Okay. Well, back to Beach Read.

[Amy]

Oh, yeah. So Kat's like, oh, my gosh, I read that. And then you were like, wait a second. I don't. I think I read that, but I don't really remember anything. I'm like, yeah, that's because it's not any good.

[Kat]

Well, it's in my audible. So it's. I. If I downloaded it and used my one credit a month, because I take those credits very seriously, I had to have listened to it. I would not waste a credit. I wait until the 6th of the month so I can get that new credit, But I don't remember reading it at all.

[Amy]

Yeah. Well, then later you determined, like, oh, I haven't read it. I thought you determined you have not read it.

[Kat]

Oh, I determined. I don't know if I did because it says.

[Amy]

But I gave you all of, like, the key. I gave you everything that would trigger a memory.

[Kat]

Right.

[Amy]

So, like, what was I going through in life?

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Like, where you just coasted through and listened to something.

[Kat]

You know how sometimes when you read a book, you read a page and you don't remember what you read? I think I was like that the whole time I was listening.

[Amy]

I was like, when I was giving you all the little things that happened, I'm like, surely you remember this part. I don't want to say it in case someone's like, I just got BE in the mail. And you just gave play by play of the entire thing.

[Kat]

Why I downloaded it and didn't.

[Amy]

I know that is weird, but now.

[Kat]

I'm going to have to listen to it because I've used a credit on it.

[Amy]

Yeah. And I don't. Maybe you'll love it. Maybe. Maybe you will love it. Maybe it'll be right up your alley. Okay, let's get to the things to say instead of it will be okay. Because, like, even with my perimenopause stuff, you. You might be able to think, well, it'll be okay.

[Kat]

There is a time and a place to hear it's going to be okay. Especially if, you know it's going to be, you know, like, I don't know, if you break your leg and you're going to be able to walk again one day, like, we know it's going to be okay, but then there are times when we don't really know the outcome. And what made me think of this, and this is kind of like old news, but a couple of weeks ago, with the ice storm, so much was going on, people, you didn't have power. And so I was like, oh, you know, like, what do you say to people when they don't have power and you don't know when they're going to get back?

[Amy]

Well, yeah, let's clarify this because Kat had power the whole time. She had power. Wi fi. Yeah. Cryo Cat had it. Shannon's in here. She had it. Everybody in this room was living large. And I was like, in the 1800s.

[Kat]

With my breath, I was reading by candlelight.

[Amy]

Yes. And that's honestly how I got to someone was like, I don't Think that my reading is going to stay at this pace for the year. But I think I was able to get ahead on reading because there were several hours, like many, many hours that I was just laying by the fireplace reading because I had nothing else to do. Exactly.

[Kat]

Well, at least you had those books. I tried to prepare and charge my Kindle and my Kindle is, I guess, broken. It wouldn't charge.

[Amy]

So if I charge, I couldn't charge.

[Kat]

This one's before the storm.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

If anybody has any tips, let me know. Anyway, so I was thinking, like, what it would be helpful to have these for at any time, but also the next time there's a natural disaster like this of what. What is helpful here outside of it's going to be okay when we don't know, because that can actually really invalidate somebody or I don't know, sometimes it makes me mad, like, gives me a little rage. And I want to be like, you don't know that. Or that's not helpful. Like, I want. It's almost like when you ask the question, what does this make possible? A little too early, you know?

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

So I have a list of five. This is not a comprehensive list, but, you know, it's digestible. Are you ready?

[Amy]

Ready.

[Kat]

The first one is just saying something like validating. So, gosh, that sounds really hard. And these are simple. So these aren't going to be like mind boggling. And I think that's something to think about. Often when we want to say it's going to be okay, it's because we're uncomfortable and we want to make that person feel more comfortable or we want to say something because it's uncomfortable to sit in the unknown.

[Amy]

I feel like any of our male listeners right now, this would be a good one to keep in your back pocket if your wife is hormonal or anything like that. Because you can't understand it. Because remember, you only have one change.

[Kat]

Yes.

[Amy]

One. Puberty. You could be like, gosh, you have so many hormone thingies happening all the time. That sounds hard.

[Kat]

Okay. I was like, where are you going with this? Gosh, you're a lot right now.

[Amy]

Or just like, gosh, this sounds hard to nag the gate for you and for me. Yeah, I'm just kidding. Leave that part out.

[Kat]

Just end the sentence early. But yeah, that sounds hard.

[Amy]

Gosh, that sounds hard, period.

[Kat]

Because that to me, when I'm struggling with something, it feels good to be like, seen in that way to, for somebody to be like, yeah, you're not being dramatic like that does sound really hard. So very simple goes a very long way.

[Amy]

Got it.

[Kat]

Okay, number two. Now, this is twofold, and we're going to get to the second part later. But asking somebody, what do you need from me, me right now? And this is in the context of if somebody is talking to you and you don't know, like, they're wanting advice, you don't know if they just want to vent. You don't know if there's a task that they could do. So saying, asking before giving any other information out, before saying it's going to be okay, because maybe that is what they want to hear. That could be the answer. I just want you to tell me it's going to be okay. But they also might just say, I just want you to listen to me, or I just want you to sit here. Now, I'm going to skip to the next one because it's piggybacks off this. Because sometimes when you ask people, what do you need? You don't know. And that can be very overwhelming. So if somebody says, I don't know, then, one, you can do this. But two, you don't even have to ask the question to do this. If you know somebody's struggling and they're overwhelmed, just say like, hey, I'm going to come drop cookies off at your front door. Or I'm at the grocery store. I'm picking. I saw your favorite. Whatever. I'm picking some up for you. Or I got too much chicken, so I'm bringing you some enchiladas, and I'm going to put them by your front door or something like that. Or I'm coming over with a movie. I really want to watch it. Let's watch together. You just do something. They might want to be left alone.

[Amy]

That's what I was going to say. Well, you just. You just showed up and you're going to watch an entire movie with them.

[Kat]

That depends on the person. There's some people that I like don't come in my house.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

But then there's, you know, there's some people, like, the type of friends that can just walk in your house and, like, hang out. Like, that might be okay. And you're probably close enough to be like, hey, can you just drop the movie?

[Amy]

Yeah, I need to be alone.

[Kat]

Yeah. Okay, so that's 1, 2, 3, 4. Is saying something normalizing. So that can be as simple as just. To me, it sounds like you're having a human reaction to what's going on. Because like I said earlier, sometimes people feel like there Which I don't know if you felt like this. I feel like you. You. I'm just gonna say it. You kind of minimized what you were going through with the no power.

[Amy]

Really?

[Kat]

I think so. You were like, yeah, me and Stevenson can see our breath.

[Bowen Yang]

Ha.

[Amy]

Well, that's the day.

[Kat]

No.

[Amy]

To be clear, when he said no, okay. So we had spent a few nights in the house in the cold, and we had invites to go elsewhere. I just was really being stubborn about that because I kept thinking, also, if the power's gonna come back. And then, like, day three, it's like, oh, or day four, maybe, because we lost it. So we spent Sunday night, Monday night, Tuesday night, and it was Wednesday at, like, about 5pm That I decided to leave. So we were about to spend our fourth night in the cold, and Stevenson was like, mom, I can see my breath. Like, I'm cold. And I was like, okay. Yeah, me too, buddy. Like, okay, so. And I hit my breaking point at that moment. I know that I was laughing about it, but also in that moment, I was crying.

[Kat]

Okay. I didn't see that.

[Amy]

I was sitting by the fire and trying to figure out. So then I wanted to start. Even though we had offers to go places, I started calling hotels. And I think it was just that I come with, like, a kid and a.

[Kat]

A.

[Amy]

A dog and a cat.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And, like, with me just a lot. So. And I wasn't gonna, like, leave my cat. And then my friend was at a hotel down the street, and she was like, yeah, there's all these animals there. She's like, honestly, it's kind of chaotic. And I was like, oh, that sounds exhausting. Like, it just seems easier to just bundle up and stay here. But I was sitting by the fire, and then I started crying. And then Stevenson saw me crying, and he came over, and he put his arm around me, and he was like, mom. Because I was thinking at that point, he would maybe go to his dad's because his dad had power.

[Kat]

Could he have not taken the answer?

[Amy]

He could have, but we could have, but Ben has a. Like, Ben has his own life in a relationship. Like, I'm not gonna be like, can you take my cat? Like, no, not in a million years ever.

[Kat]

Okay. Car is kind of his.

[Amy]

Yeah, he would take the dog. He took the dog eventually. Cause eventually the kids went back to be with Ben. Yes, he would take the dog. Okay, so where was I? Oh, so I'm calling hotels, and then everywhere's full. And so then I'm crying, and then Stevenson comes Over. Oh, he was gonna leave me because I'm like, you should just go, and then I'll stay with the pets. And then when I saw me cry, he came over and he was like, mom, I'm not leaving you. And I was like, well, that's really sweet. However, I can handle this. And I want you to be warm. I think I'm just. I've hit the emotional wall of yes. Like, this is all, we're okay. Like, we have a fireplace. We have a gas stove. Like, we have candlelight. Some people didn't even have that. And they were in their homes. Like, I cannot even imagine. And they weren't leaving. And they also maybe didn't have invites or options. I was being just. I didn't want to inconvenience people. So anyway, then I'm talking to Shannon and she's like, amy, you are coming. Like. And so then we went upstairs and we packed our bags and Shannon has a cat. So that was good. And she knows Cara and the kids. Like, everything just felt more comfortable. And so Stevens and I just ran up because it was about to be dark. This is five o', clock, and we were about to lose sunlight and I didn't wanna pack by candlelight. So then we threw stuff in a bag and we left. And I was very thankful of that. So then we spent three nights at Shannon's, and it was so cozy. Thank you, Shannon. There's lights in there. It worked. Everything worked out. Even though I had offers, because it's even like, okay, cryo cats. Like, but cryo cat has two dogs. One of the dogs made is okay with it, the other dog not. And then I had other invites where they literally were like, you can come, but not with the cat. Oh. Which I understand. Like, there are. People are allergic to cats. Some people just hate cats. Yeah, Cats. Dogs would kill my cat. So.

[Kat]

Okay. We wouldn't want.

[Amy]

There's lots of reasons. Like, it wasn't just like, you know, so I. One of my friends, I'm pretty sure her husband was like, no, I don't do cats.

[Kat]

Okay. But if there is a cat to be had.

[Amy]

Maggie's sweet.

[Kat]

She just, like, she doesn't do anything. Yeah.

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[Amy]

Hey, this is US Olympic Gold medalist.

[Kat]

Tara Davis Woodhull and I'm US Paralympic Gold medalist Hunter Woodhull. As athletes, our lives are about having a clear path and a team that you can absolutely trust.

[Amy]

So when it came to getting the.

[Kat]

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[Amy]

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[Amy]

Okay, well the whole point of this you were saying I was minimizing it.

[Kat]

But, okay, maybe you weren't. Maybe my experience and I don't know that we talked a lot during the day.

[Amy]

Well, I'm just saying I don't think I'm sharing with you, like, how I was internally. I don't think I vocalized how bad it was or how difficult Wednesday was. It was a Wednesday I'll never forget. Just like that Monday.

[Kat]

It happened on a Wednesday.

[Amy]

Wednesday. I just. I can't remember certain things, but I do know I felt extreme joy on that one Monday.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

On that Wednesday, I finally caved.

[Kat]

It sounds like you were reacting very normal, too.

[Amy]

Yes, I'm having a normal reaction to my experience.

[Kat]

So that is number four is to normalize somebody's experience. And I'm glad that you did find warmth.

[Amy]

Thank you. Me, too. And that I accepted.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

That's another thing for people.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I don't know why sometimes it's so hard to just accept. Like, because I would say it and mean it. It's not that I don't think people mean it, but it's just more of, like, the. Why don't you.

[Kat]

Some people might not mean it. Yeah. Like, I think some people say, let me know if you need anything and don't mean it. That's just, like, a thing to say. So I. I don't want to.

[Amy]

Like, do you think, like, in their mind, they're like, let me know you mean anything.

[Kat]

And in their head, what I just say mean anything.

[Amy]

I don't know what words just came out of my mouth, but they might say, like, yeah, let me know if you need anything. And then they get in their car, and in their mind, they're like, but a sure hope. No.

[Kat]

Yes, I do. And I think. I don't. I might not be immune from that. It depends on who it is and what it is. But that has become, like, just a thing to say. And that's why I think when you. When people are like, hey, I'm bringing this over, it can be more helpful because, like, you. If I would have been like, hey, Amy, I'm coming over to pick you up.

[Heather (Listener Voicemail)]

Up.

[Kat]

You. I would. You. I would have gotten here, and you would have gotten in my car. Right. And I gotta say, I didn't invite you to my house.

[Amy]

You had guests.

[Kat]

I know, but you still did it later. Okay.

[Amy]

You did when I was already at Shannon's.

[Kat]

Okay. Okay. I was like, I feel bad. I would have let your animals come. And I'm not an animal person. We did have a dog at our house.

[Amy]

No, no, you texted me and said, hey, we have a room. Oh, I did. If you want to come. And I'm, like, already settled in it, Shannon.

[Kat]

Okay. Okay.

[Amy]

How?

[Kat]

It's like, oh, my God, Bad friend.

[Amy]

No, but also, I mean, Shannon is five minutes. Her house is, like, five minutes from my work. I work with her already. Like, there was a lot of. That made sense, because even during the day, like, with kids and pets and, like, it just made sense. You live other direction. But I would have been grateful if.

[Kat]

If I was the only house available. You would have come. Yes. Okay. But it's better to just show up. If. If. But that's if you know, the person is going to struggle to accept help. So it would have been more helpful for me just to show up or to, like, if I had a generator, like, come bring it to your house. Versus, do you want my generator? Because who knows? You would have been like, no, fine. We're just camping. Yeah, I would have.

[Amy]

I actually don't know if I would have. Like, I would have to. It's like, a lot of responsibility to, like, fill it up with gas. And it is a lot of work. Yeah. Yeah.

[Kat]

I was like. But I think what. It's helpful because sometimes I struggle to accept things when people are like, I'll do this. I'm like, I'm fine. Is think of it as you're taking away an opportunity for your friend, for them. Right. Like, it feels good to help people. So when I allow somebody to help me, I'm not burdening them. I'm actually giving them a gift, robbing.

[Amy]

Them of the opportunity to support you and show up for you and which then can bring them joy. This makes me think of when my mom was sick and we had, like, a revolving door of people at my sister's house, because that's where we had hospice. And the house was full of people, quite honestly. And my sister and I spent most of the time by my mom's bedside. And my sister had four kids herself. And I wasn't a mom yet. My husband was in Afghanistan at the time. Like, there was just a lot going on. And people. Some of the people that were the revolving door, though, would just, like, walk in, grab all the dirty clothes because my sister had four kids, take the laundry to their house, wash it, and bring it back folded and clean. Like, they didn't even ask, and they didn't even run the laundry there. They just. They were like, put it in trash bags and left.

[Kat]

That's the way to do it.

[Amy]

Weren't in the way. And that was my sister's community. And that's how they showed up. And I was like, oh, wow, that's really, really cool.

[Kat]

So good idea. If you don't know what to do for somebody that can. You don't have to bring a movie and make them watch it with you. You can do their laundry.

[Amy]

Shannon just typed in our doc. She said the first time I asked Amy to come over to my house during the storm, she said she didn't feel like dealing with manually opening the garage door, which is true. I'm like, this seems like a lot.

[Kat]

You're like, I will get hypothermia before I open the curve.

[Amy]

Right. Well, because then I was gonna have to look up, and then Bobby had called and was, like, checking on me or whatever, and he was like, well, I just chatgpt how to. How do you open water heater or something? Because they were inviting me over too. And I was like, it's really not that hard. It's not. It seems more difficult to me.

[Kat]

You already were exhausted, probably.

[Amy]

And I was like, oh, that's smart. So then I just googled it, and it really was like, oh, this is easy. And then Stevenson helped me, and he had to get up on a stool, and we couldn't get it to stay, but then he held it up with a stool, and then I backed out, and then we were good. But the thought of that seemed so. Oh, it's easier to just stay in the cold.

[Kat]

No, I get it. That's like sometimes when you're, like, laying down and you're like.

[Amy]

But I'm glad I learned, because it's really not that hard. Sort of like maybe I would learn with the generator. It's not that hard, and it actually could come in handy.

[Kat]

Yeah, I guess. I've never thought about opening the garage.

[Amy]

Door manually in a tough situation. You're speaking of forced to figure it out.

[Kat]

Speaking of hot water heaters, we ran out of hot water for about four hours. Oh, tragic. During the ice storm, it froze, I guess.

[Amy]

So Patrick took a shit so hard.

[Kat]

So I felt some pain, but then my dad came over and fixed it. It was just frozen.

[Amy]

Oh, stop it, dad. Who's alive?

[Kat]

Okay, I take it back.

[Amy]

I wish my dad was alive.

[Kat]

Okay, well, so is your dad now. Okay.

[Amy]

That'S true. Your dad, I. He helped me with my water heater.

[Kat]

Oh, really?

[Amy]

That's what it was a couple weeks ago. I had no hot water, and then I thought it was a plug thing, because it's plugged in. In the garage. And so I thought it was a. A breaker thing, but he said, go around your garage and look for an outlet that has a reset button. And he's like, it'll have a little light. Hit the reset button and see what happens. Sure enough, I walk around the garage, and I see an outlet. It has a reset button with a little light, and I hit it. And then wouldn't you know? Wouldn't you know the outlet over in the other corner started working that the water heater was plugged into?

[Kat]

Isn't it weird? Like, how you would know?

[Amy]

Like, how does he know?

[Kat]

Like, how to fix everything?

[Amy]

I was like, this is exactly. Like, you and my dad are the same. Like, I'm so glad. I was like, I'm adopting you. And he said, okay.

[Kat]

And then he left his sunglasses here as a memento.

[Amy]

Well, that he. That was. That was on the phone one day. He left his sunglasses here when he came and sprayed the mold in my bathroom.

[Kat]

Oh.

[Amy]

With Clorox bleach. He showed me how to do. I was like, oh, that's easy. Which I'm not living with mold, by the way. However, I had a little leak in my roof, and it caused a little mold, but it thankfully hasn't spread. So when I cut a hole, just to see about the leak, I saw the black mold. And then he was like, oh, I'm going to spray that for you. And then we could patch up the hole.

[Kat]

Voila.

[Amy]

And that's when he left his glasses.

[Kat]

Yeah. So anyway, it is good you have.

[Amy]

Your dad so that.

[Kat]

I'm sorry.

[Amy]

You can help your friends. Yeah, no, I. You know, don't say you're sorry. I'm the one that made the joke.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

You brought up your dad. And then I made the joke.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

Like, oh, you had no hot water for four hours. And.

[Kat]

Oh, well, I was really just saying that because I thought it was a big issue. This is more like a PSA for anybody. It was just frozen. And you can actually fix that by taking a hairdryer and holding it on it, melting it. Really well, that's what he did. He told me to put, like, a space heater in front of it. But then he came over, and I think he just used a hairdryer. Hair dryer. Yeah. He walked into my room as I was, like, on a Zoom call. I was like, dad, I'm on a meeting. And he just was like, I need a hair dryer. And I was like. But I was very grateful that he fixed that.

[Amy]

There was some story in the news Of a guy that was trying to, like, like, defrost his pipes or something. And he used a blowtorch, but it was like, near gas.

[Kat]

Oh, my gosh.

[Amy]

It's like, not good. Obviously.

[Kat]

Yeah, we didn't do that.

[Amy]

That caused problems.

[Kat]

Yeah. I don't know if you saw this. And then I promise I'll get to the fifth thing.

[Amy]

Oh, memories where it all began. Nope. It began to outweigh and now we're here.

[Kat]

There was like a video I saw on Tick Tock or something where somebody's house burnt down because they had like a lithium battery. Like a battery from like a. What are those? Leaf blower or something like that. Plugged it in their garage. So I went to my garage and I unplugged them all. Yeah.

[Amy]

Wait, do I have a battery plugged in? Oh, my gosh, No.

[Kat]

I didn't mean to scare you, but I also didn't fact check this. So this could have been like, fear mongering video on Tick Tock. But I did think, like, wait, I have. We have all of our, like, power tool batteries plugged in.

[Amy]

I gotta fact check everything I see online these days.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Because, like, there's so much out there and that comes and I'm like, so I take it, and then I Google and then I do my due diligence before I freak out.

[Kat]

Like, so I should have done that with this before talking about it.

[Amy]

We can talk about it here because you're also giving a disclaimer of, like, now people can hear it from us, and then they can Google it, do their research. But it's like, even something like, with the lyrics. Like, this one girl got on a video on Instagram and she was just, like, talking about the super bowl halftime shows, and she was like, I'm not watching the. I'm not gonna watch the Bad Bunny performance. Because he has a lyric about how he likes them young. And some call that predatory, but he calls it mandatory. And then she pauses, she goes, oh, wait, that's Kid Rock. And he's the headliner for Turning Point. And I was like, does Kid Rock have a song with those lyrics? So then I go and I Google it, and sure enough, yeah, he has a song like Cool Daddy Cool or something like that. It's from 2001. And the lyric literally was, I like them young. Some call it. Hold on, I can look it up. Oh, no, I like them underage. See, some say that's statutory, but I say it's mandatory. Cool Daddy Cool. And so I'm like, okay, yeah, so.

[Kat]

Okay, you for looking that up before. You're telling everybody that that was his song.

[Amy]

Right.

[Kat]

Because what if it wasn't? Exactly. But it was so.

[Amy]

And it was like.

[Kat]

Okay, Shannon just found. While generally safe with modern smart chargers, leaving leaf blower lithium ion batteries plugged in indefinitely is not recommended due to potential long term degradation. Why? That's a. What does that mean? Like. Like it makes the battery not as good. Okay, got it. And minor fire risks. So the risks are minor, but it could happen. And so it's not worth it for me.

[Amy]

A family put up at psa and it was their kid, like riding a bike when he was young, I guess, before he died. And this I know to be true. I don't know their whole story, but I was like, wow, what a powerful thing. And it wasn't a commercial or anything. It was just a family. Like, it was a reel on Instagram of a PSA of to not store your propane tanks in your garage because they had a propane tank in their garage and it exploded and caught their house on fire. And that was. They were able to get out with their other children. And then that child wasn't able to get out and he died. And so that was just a reminder of like not even keeping them.

[Kat]

Oh, my God. My God.

[Amy]

Near the house. So, like where you store things and they. They just like, didn't think. I don't know if they didn't know or they just weren't thinking about it.

[Kat]

I wouldn't have thought.

[Amy]

So that's why they wanted to use their story as a reminder to people. Because. Yeah, I mean, I could see as like a single, like, say I got into grilling, like Stashira, my daughter was grilling the other day, and she had the propane turned up too high and the fire like came out when she turned it, when she lit it and it like singed her eyebrows. I'm proud of her for figuring it out, wanting to grow on her own. But it's like, now she needs to pay attention and know to not have it up higher. That sort of stuff just freaks me out.

[Kat]

Yeah, that's scary.

[Amy]

So fifth thing.

[Kat]

Yeah. People are like, what are you talking about? So this is the fifth thing to say instead of it's gonna be okay when you don't know if you forgot what we're talking about. If you don't know if it's gonna be okay. Foreign.

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[Amy]

So when it came to getting the.

[Kat]

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[Amy]

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[Kat]

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[Kat]

So this is the fifth thing to it's gonna be okay when you don't know if you forgot what you're talking about. If you don't know if it's gonna be okay. And it's actually maybe the most simple also could be for some people the most difficult to just say, I don't really know the right thing to say, but I'm here. So just being present with somebody, I.

[Amy]

Can put the all five things in the show notes. Like in a simple, they're like I was trying to take notes but y' all were all over the place talking about things and then that way you can just, just have these. Because sometimes it's good to write stuff down and just have it that you can reference like email it to yourself or put it in your notes app of like your little folder for like if someone's going through something and you have the urge to be like it's.

[Kat]

Gonna be okay, you make wait, oh.

[Amy]

Wait a second before I do that. I could do that with a lot of my therapy stuff, even with my kids. Several years ago there was some stuff with my son and the therapist we had from at the time was dropping all kinds of gold like perfect nuggets and like scripts. Like it's a beautiful script. I love a script. I love a script. It's funny. Even my ex husband knows. Like we were on a call the other day with this mentor that we work with and he was like, can you just give Amy a script, please? She loves a script. And I'm like, yes, I do. It's just like simple one liner things that you can say to help you yourself hold a boundary. And I need that because if not you start if I start, if the floodgate opens, it's word salad central over here. And I am like digging because I'm uncomfortable and I just start using more words with my discomfort and then it.

[Kat]

Just ends up being all.

[Amy]

And then I'm like, what have I even said? And now I'm not being clear. And clear is kind and Unclear is unkind. And the more words I add. Unless it's a podcast, freeform. Of course, in a situation like that, the more words I add, the. The worse off we are.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So I need clear and kind. And I really appreciate a script, but he would give. He had, like, the best scripts. And I would. Sometimes, in the middle of my parenting situation, I think I've told you this before. Like, I would just pause and, like, run to my room and, like, open my computer and pull up some of the stuff, and I'd be like, okay. And then I would know, and I would go back out and I would say it verbatim. But it was, like, gold because it was the way my son was receiving it. It's like, if I said it the exact way it worked. If I didn't, no bueno. There was wiggle room, and it wasn't clear. And so I was like, I want to say this exactly like he's saying, because I don't want to mess it up because he's the expert. So, anyways, I'll put these in the show notes. All that to say thanks in case you want one place to find them all. And I really am glad that we gave, like, solid information, especially because we got a voicemail. And this voicemail is actually really sweet, but it's in reference to another voicemail, our email.

[Kat]

Oh, it's an email.

[Amy]

Yeah, it was an email. Yeah, the email we got. And we talked about it during the intro of last week's Feeling Things of the. The listener that was no longer listening. The one that said, I know I'm not at airport, and I don't need to announce my departure, but I'm done. And I can't remember everything she said, but honestly, the way she described our podcast, I was like, yikes. I wouldn't listen either. Oh, you know, our Chick Fil A.

[Kat]

Order stuff like that, where I get my T shirts.

[Amy]

So hopefully we offered some value here. That's why I'm gonna.

[Kat]

We tried.

[Amy]

I'm gonna throw the five things in the show notes. And we're also now like a little mini book club, maybe because this is my year of reading. Well, I want us to all book.

[Kat]

Do you want to read together?

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

That's what a book club does.

[Amy]

Okay. I don't know. So maybe one day. Okay, now I'm getting excited. But what if. What if we pick a month at some point this year, and y' all can email us or leave a voicemail about this or talk about it? Does anybody have an idea and maybe we have, like, a big zoom call with anybody that wants to hop on, like a virtual. Yeah.

[Kat]

Book club. But we have to get on the same reading.

[Amy]

Yeah. We have to pick a month in a book.

[Kat]

Yeah. Okay, well, we can work on that. Are we going to do historical fiction?

[Amy]

I feel like that would be quite studious of us. Yeah, that would be expected, probably. Yeah.

[Kat]

Because of who we are.

[Amy]

I don't know. What.

[Kat]

What should we do?

[Amy]

We'll take it. We'll take suggestions.

[Kat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Amy]

I feel like some people, if a lot of books have been out for a while, it's hard. Maybe we need to pick something that's, like, hot off the press.

[Kat]

You hadn't read the Nightingale? Because I need to be forced to read it.

[Amy]

It's so good, though.

[Kat]

I know, but I want to read it and not listen to it.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

And so, you know, my Kindle's broken.

[Amy]

Well, I don't know. I mean, I guess I could still do it and I could just talk about it.

[Kat]

No, no, that. No, that's not. That's. That's not. That's lame. We need to be both reading it so we can be excited and, like, talk about it at the same time.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

So future thing we'll figure out.

[Amy]

Yeah. And listeners, if y' all have any thoughts on that, then send it on in. We will close with this voicemail that we got from Heather in Alberta, Canada.

[Kat]

I thought she said she was from Banff.

[Amy]

She said they're close to Van.

[Kat]

Okay. Okay. I was like, I didn't make that up. Cool.

[Amy]

And I feel like it's just a reminder. Yeah. That we're all over the world feeling things is global. Don't we have one listener in Nigeria?

[Kat]

We did. I don't know if we still do. It could have been somebody from, like, a station there that just was on vacation. I don't know.

[Amy]

Yeah, I went over there and was listening, but I don't know. Shane, do we have this one loaded? Okay, perfect. So we're gonna play this voicemail from Heather. So here it is.

[Heather (Listener Voicemail)]

Hi, Amy and Kat. My name is Heather. I'm calling from Alberta, Canada. We're kind of close to Banff, if you've ever heard of Banff. And I am calling just because I just finished listening to today's podcast, which was kind of a bit of a mixture of live and a previously recorded episode because of the freezing stuff going on down there. And I am going to share my feeling that I am feeling very protective of you two and Mama Bearish and Because of the email that you read about the woman wanting to leave and announce her leaving even though it wasn't an airport. And yeah, the things that you share randomly and all the giggles you have, that's what I love about your podcast. Can be very angry that someone would hold that against you. I love the randomness. I love that it just feels like I'm listening to Friends. I literally laugh out loud when I'm listening. And through some really difficult drives lately because my dad is in the hospital with some decline due to dementia, and so I have a 50 minute drive to the hospital each time. And I am just so excited whenever I see a new episode because I know it's gonna lighten my mood and get me giggling with you. So I just want to affirm that you guys are doing a great job, even if it's just talking about Chick Fil A or whatever. I. I love every minute of your podcast and I hope you have a day you need to have and know that this mama bear is wanting to defend you from afar. Thank you. Have a great day. Oh. Ah. I blew it. It's supposed to be how the day you need to have. Okay. I want you to have a good day, though. There you go. Bye for now.

[Kat]

I love that she seems like a bright light. I want to hang out with her attitude.

[Amy]

I know you didn't mess it up. No, you didn't mess it up because she actually had said, how did you have before that? And then. But I do appreciate because sometimes that's how when we're ending the podcast, like, we'll say it and then I'll say something else to be like, shoot, we got to do it again. So, Heather, it's just like us. And I'm sorry to hear, too, that you're going through that with your dad and that, yeah, we can be by your side, like in the car for your drives and be a little distraction from what you have that's going on or maybe even helpful, depending on what we're talking about. So thank you for that voicemail and.

[Kat]

What a good reminder for, like, different strokes for different folks. Like, somebody might hate this podcast and that's okay. We don't need to change it because there's also people that like it and not everybody is gonna like anything.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

So thank you for that.

[Amy]

Yeah. What are all the different strokes for different folks?

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Not your cup of tea.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Are there more not. Not your can't date everybody, your flavor of the month? Are there mercy?

[Kat]

You could just make anything up, right? Not Your how you like your meat cooked?

[Amy]

Some people like it well done, some.

[Kat]

People like it rare.

[Amy]

Unless you're eating ground beef, of course, or a hamburger. You're always supposed to get it well done, period. My niece married a meat scientist.

[Kat]

Wait, so a steak?

[Amy]

No, not a steak, a hamburger. Because it's ground meat. A steak is a meat.

[Kat]

Wait a second. Are you saying if you're eating ground meat, it needs to be well done?

[Amy]

Yeah, I'm saying that. Yeah, that's what I said. I am.

[Kat]

Okay, that makes me feel good because I like everything well done and. Well, I say medium well, but I really in my heart usually want it well done.

[Amy]

Like on a hamburger.

[Kat]

I want every. I want a steak.

[Amy]

No, I know, but steaks is not.

[Kat]

Yes, we're talking about. But like. Yeah. So people ask you how you want your burger cooked. I'm like, all the way.

[Amy]

And that's what you should say. But then why, if you value your life.

[Kat]

Okay, that's according to. I wonder.

[Amy]

My.

[Kat]

Wait.

[Amy]

Nephew in law.

[Kat]

Your nephew in.

[Amy]

My niece married a meat scientist and he stands by this. If you're eating ground meat, which is what a hamburger patty is made from. Now obviously if you're doing like ground meat to put in your pasta sauce, you're going to cook it all the way through, right? Same should be true of your hamburger patty. Because of all the bacteria, when it's being ground together, it's getting all ground together. When you have a contained piece of meat, like a you can sear. Like, nothing else is mixing in. Nothing's getting in but the ground. It's a totally different situation. And he was like, you would never catch me. And he's like a big beef guy. He probably eats steak that is, you know, rare. Ish. Like, he loves a good piece of meat. But if he's eating anything ground, like, like a hamburger.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

He's like, you will never see me eating anything that is not well done.

[Kat]

Thank you for this piece of information.

[Amy]

I've had him on the Bobby Bone show before.

[Kat]

Next time somebody asked me if I want how I want my burger cooked, I'm like, the right way.

[Amy]

Well done. Yeah, just be like, all the way. It shouldn't even.

[Kat]

Why are you asking me that?

[Amy]

Yeah, you're trying to kill me.

[Kat]

Should I tell them, like, well, according to meat scientists, it should always be well done. And then they'll be like, okay, like, whatever.

[Amy]

Does Patrick get them, like rare or well done or medium?

[Kat]

He gets like steak. Medium rare.

[Amy]

But I'm talking about steak.

[Kat]

I know I'm giving you the whole picture. Okay. Be patient with me.

[Amy]

Sorry. You know, if we get this email of, like, I'm not listening to your podcast to figure out how Kat's husband orders his steak, literally nobody cares.

[Kat]

But I'm gonna tell you.

[Amy]

Well, I asked how he gets his.

[Kat]

Hamburgers, but I feel like when they ask that, he probably says, like, medium or something. One time recently, he got a burger. I won't say where, but I was gonna take a bite of it, and I was like, you need to send that back. But then he was, like, fine with it.

[Amy]

Why? Because it was bleeding.

[Kat]

Well, like, with. It was raw.

[Amy]

I know, but some people like their burger that way.

[Kat]

He ate it. Yeah. But then he later was like, yeah, it wasn't done all the way. I'm like, oh, my gosh. I would. You would never catch me eating a pink burger. But I'm also, again, very picky. So I try not to be too judgy because I'm not adventurous with my food. But now I feel more rooted and, like, I'm doing it.

[Amy]

Well done. I'm gonna live.

[Kat]

I'll live longer than you.

[Amy]

I don't want to get poisoned.

[Kat]

Well, also, food. If you get food poisoning from that, I wouldn't want that.

[Amy]

I came across this one video not to be, like, a fear monger, but, you know, it's like, all natural. Like, if. If you on anything, it's like, well, this is natural.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Like, it falls into the category of natural. And it's like, natural isn't always good.

[Kat]

Right.

[Amy]

Like.

[Kat]

Like, when people were like, that's the way the cavemen did it. And it's like, well, we've evolved. We shouldn't do it that way.

[Amy]

The mold in my bathroom that your dad. Clorox is natural. Like, just because something says it's natural doesn't mean we need to be taking it. And even with the perimenopause stuff, you know me, I love a good natural supplement.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

You know, I feel like after I watch a documentary, they're like, guys, the only way you're gonna help this is, like, take some meds with hormones.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Like, sure, you can, like, eat cilantro and see what happens, but, like, it's hot. It's probably not, because. So, like, just be. Before you go spending a bunch of money and I'm someone who. I have spent money on certain things, and I'm like, oh, dang.

[Kat]

It was never gonna help.

[Amy]

Yeah. And then it's hard because we're inundated. And then if I do it and I like it and I think I'm seeing a difference for myself. Like I don't mind talking about something if I feel like I've had a good experience. But then I don't know. It's just hard.

[Kat]

It's hard.

[Amy]

It's hard. It's rough out there.

[Kat]

Get your hamburger cooked.

[Amy]

Yeah, cook it all the way and have the day you need to have.

[Kat]

Yay.

[Amy]

Yay. Okay, bye.

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