FEELING THINGS: Beth’s Dead: That Ending Left Us Completely Shook

Summary

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The Bobby Bones Show: "FEELING THINGS: Beth’s Dead—That Ending Left Us Completely Shook"

Podcast: The Bobby Bones Show – Feeling Things with Amy and Kat
Date: January 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Feeling Things, Amy and Kat dive deep into the emotional aftermath of the true crime podcast “Beth’s Dead”. Listeners join the hosts as they process a shocking voicemail, debrief the final twists of “Beth’s Dead,” and discuss the implications of parasocial relationships in podcasting communities. Throughout, they mix humor, empathy, skepticism, and plenty of personal anecdotes—with everything filtered through genuine surprise and conversational wit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Feelings of the Day: Gratitude, Pain & Being “Shook”

• Amy shares gratitude despite enduring back pain, reflecting on how mindset can shift perception:

  "My back is in a lot of pain. However, I’m grateful because it could be worse... I know it will be better, so I’m grateful that I have that resource." (03:08)

• Kat admits feeling “shook”—first due to a disturbing voicemail from a listener and then because of the "Beth’s Dead" podcast finale.

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2. Listener Voicemail That Shook Everyone (09:05–12:20)

• A listener shares a horrifying story about why you should always wash new underwear:
  • Someone witnessed a person in a store putting underwear in his mouth before putting them back.
  • Amy and Kat’s reactions: hilarity, horror, and a newfound commitment to laundry hygiene.
• Quote:

  “She lost me when she said sucking on it. Like, why would he even... he was sucking on it?” – Kat (10:31) “Like, I’m disturbed. I’m confused, scared. I’m worried for humanity.” – Amy (09:06)

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3. Deep-Dive: The “Beth’s Dead” Podcast and Its Controversial Ending

Background & Recap (13:13–28:26)

• Beth’s Dead involves hosts heavily interacting with listeners—one emailer, "Beth," seemingly dies by suicide after a series of personal updates, only for it to unravel as an elaborate catfishing scheme.
• Their critique: What began as an organic story felt “more manufactured”—possibly stretched to meet a 10-episode arc.
• Emails from listeners (especially “Cindy, and only Cindy”) feed the discussion, with Cindy expressing skepticism about the final reveal.

Quote:

“Turns out Beth didn’t die because Beth didn’t exist.” – Kat (30:30)
"It’s a one-sided relationship where a person feels a strong emotional connection with a media figure, like a celebrity, influencer, or fictional character..." – Amy, defining “parasocial” (31:00)

The Confrontation & Critique (32:51–39:13)

• The “big twist”: The hosts confront who they believe is the catfisher—thinking it’s a prominent academic (“the dad”), but on a Zoom call, the man’s son confesses and claims responsibility, citing addiction as a factor.
• Heavily debated: Was it really the son, or is he covering for his father?
• Arguments:
  • The son can’t recall basic details, like sending $1,000 via donation
  • He inconsistently remembers some facts but not others
  • Many clues (writing style, timing, emotional manipulation) point back to the dad

Memorable Quotes & Moments:

• “Here’s my take. I don’t think it was the son.” – Kat (34:04)
• “...if he’s under the influence... how is he able to keep all the characters straight and his emails were coherent?” – Amy (36:15)
• “They were so easily convinced by this guy—they didn’t question it at all.” – Kat (39:09)
• Reddit and listener reactions align with Kat’s skepticism, increasing speculation.

Broader Themes: Parasocial Dynamics & Healthy Boundaries

• Amy and Kat reflect on the pitfalls of blurred lines between podcast hosts and listeners—citing Beth’s Dead as a cautionary tale about emotional over-investment, boundaries, and the risks of catfishing.

Quote:

“If you were doing that, unless you were deleting them, I’d be like ‘Amy, we’re going a little too far.’” – Kat (29:02)

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4. Listener Community, Parasocial Bonds & Merch Ideas

• Reassurance to their own audience: boundaries and healthy relationships are maintained—calls for more listener interaction via voicemails, emails.
• A listener proposes a merch idea: poster art with the phrase “Have the day you need to have.”
• Discussion about the meaningfulness of community catchphrases and the importance of fostering safe, supportive spaces.

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5. Sidebars: Everyday Life & Humor

• Back pain, moving heavy furniture with sliders, workout gear, Pilates aids, and cleaning hacks unfold with Amy and Kat’s signature banter.
• Funny digressions: Venmo sugar daddies, financial domination (FINDOM) offers in their inboxes, and the comedic hazards of online detritus.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments with Timestamps

• “You don’t have to be grateful because your back hurts.” – Kat (03:49)
• “I’m disturbed. I’m confused, scared. I’m worried for humanity.” – Amy (09:06)
• “Here’s the voicemail...” – Amy (10:01)
• “Turns out Beth didn’t die because Beth didn’t exist.” – Kat (30:30)
• “I don’t think it was the son.” – Kat (34:04)
• “How do you not remember $1,000?” – Kat (47:25)
• “Was the entire story fiction? Elizabeth is a writer, after all.” – Reddit speculation, read by Amy (55:30)
• “I think integrity, though.” – Kat (58:04)
• “We have a cool, parasocial relationship. Yeah, we’re cool. Everybody’s cool.” – Amy & Kat (70:34)

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Timeline of Important Segments

• 03:00 – Feeling Check-ins: Gratitude & Back Pain Stories
• 08:13 – Kat feels “shook”—setup for the Beth’s Dead conversation
• 09:05–12:20 – Listener Voicemail: The Underwear Incident
• 13:13–20:00 – First Impressions and Listener Email on Beth’s Dead
• 30:30 – Big Reveal: Beth never existed
• 32:51–39:13 – Debate: Was it the son or the dad?
• 47:25 – Reddit conspiracy theories, timeline inconsistencies
• 70:34–73:59 – Parasocial relationships, more listener mail, merch idea
• 74:00 onward – Wrap-up, calls for listener interaction, banter

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Tone & Style

Conversational, candid, and at times irreverent, Amy and Kat blend thoughtful critique with vulnerability and humor. Their relaxed rapport makes for compelling listening—especially for fans of true crime, podcast culture, and internet phenomena.

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Summary Takeaways

• “Beth’s Dead” left listeners—and the hosts—utterly perplexed by its ending.
  The reveal that the apparent catfish was the son of a suspected academic, and not the academic himself, is debated, with most speculating the son took the fall.
• Listener interactions enrich the show but highlight the risks of blurred boundaries.
  The conversation underscores how easily parasocial relationships can impact both listeners and creators.
• Listeners are invested—and skeptical.
  Reddit and emails echo the hosts’ doubts about the official story, craving more transparency and resolution.
• Amy and Kat reinforce community, humor, and healthy boundaries.
  They encourage connection—just not catfishing or PayPig requests!
• The episode closes with a strong community vibe and some fun—reminding listeners: “Have the day you need to have.”

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Transcript

[Kat]

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[Maria Hinojosa]

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[Kat]

If you ever have feelings and you just want some Maybe a cat got you covered like a num, brother. Ladies and fellas, we just follow in the spirit where it tell us from the real stuff to the chill stuff and the in between. Sometimes the best thing you can do is just stop me.

[Telma]

Feel Things.

[Amy]

This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Feeling Things. I'm Amy.

[Kat]

And I'm Kat.

[Amy]

And my feeling the day is grateful, I think.

[Kat]

What do you mean, you think?

[Amy]

Okay, hear me out. Maybe I'm trying some reverse psychology on my body, but my back is in a lot of pain. However, I'm grateful because it could be worse. Like, I'm having trouble walking, but, like.

[Kat]

But you're grateful because you.

[Amy]

I'm grateful. I feel like it could.

[Kat]

It could.

[Amy]

It could be worse, and I'm gonna go see my chiropractor, and I know it will be better, so I'm grateful that I have that resource.

[Kat]

Okay, that makes more sense. Yeah.

[Amy]

What, my other way didn't make sense?

[Kat]

No, it makes sense, but I just.

[Amy]

You struggled with it. Well, it was a stretch.

[Kat]

It just is. Like, you don't have to be grateful because your back hurts.

[Amy]

I know. I. I get it, you know, I guess, but I just don't want. I don't want the vibe or the energy to be like, I'm in pain, and that's like, a physical feeling. It's not. And I'm like, the types of feelings we like to discuss. So it's like, how. How do I turn that? Because, like, all I can think about is my back right now.

[Kat]

When did that start?

[Amy]

Christmas Day.

[Kat]

Oh, my gosh.

[Amy]

So a long time ago. But it went away for a little bit. I thought it was hormonal, and then after my cycle started, I was like, oh, well, that makes sense. Like, sometimes my back hurts around that time. Not always, but sometimes. And then it went away, and then I rearranged some furniture, and it came back. So maybe it was hormonal around Christmas, and then maybe it was inflamed, and then it didn't totally go down. And then I made it worse trying to move furniture without sliders. But then I got smart and I went to Home Depot and I got some new sliders.

[Kat]

I'm not familiar with the sliders.

[Amy]

You know, the things you put on your furniture to slide it around. Wait, you don't know? You really don't know?

[Kat]

I know what the little things are that you put on, like, chairs so they don't scratch up your floor. Is that what you mean? No.

[Amy]

Okay. Cat, how do you Move furniture.

[Kat]

I call my dad. I. I lift it. You lift? Or I call somebody to help me, but. Or if it's a carpet or something, I slide it, I guess.

[Amy]

Yeah. Well, I guess I've got hardwoods and rugs, so I can't really just slide, and I don't want to scratch the floor. So my son was trying to help me, which. Shout out. He is strong for 15. I'm like, you go, buddy. Yay. I'm like, you got it. Like, I'm encouraging him. I'm like, barely get up. But we were really struggling with some of the pieces, and I thought, okay. I didn't know where my sliders were because I've had them before, and I couldn't find them. So I was like, get in the car. So I went to Home Depot, and I got. I got upgraded sliders, though, like, these. Sometimes you can get it with, like, two different surfaces on each side, so that way they work on carpet or wood. You just have to flip depending. But I got these came with, like, little coats. Like, a little coat that you put a little jacket, a little fuzzy jacket that you put on the disc, and then it really slides across hardwoods like butter. I was moving all kinds of things after that.

[Kat]

Those are reminding me of the little discs you. Have you ever used those when you work out?

[Amy]

Yes.

[Kat]

Those are the devil.

[Amy]

That is pretty much.

[Kat]

What, the same thing?

[Amy]

Yes. Like, actually, we could get those, put them on our feet, and do some lunges.

[Kat]

I don't want to.

[Amy]

Or like, some skaters. Is that what they're called? Yeah. Oh, I know what you're talking about. Pretty painful.

[Kat]

Okay, well, cool.

[Amy]

I definitely could not do a skater. Do you know, I was still doing Pilates after my back was hurting, and the instructor came over and asked me if I was okay at one point because I was really struggling, and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. I think. I don't know. Just hormonal, back pain. I don't really know. And she's like, here, here's a stick. So she gave me this really long pole, and I've never seen anyone in class use these. I'm pretty sure they're really the elderly.

[Kat]

No, they're not. Those things that they. And they have little base on top you can put your hand on.

[Amy]

It's just a stick.

[Kat]

Oh.

[Amy]

With, like, a rubber so it stays put on the hard floor. But I had to hold the stick the entire class because, like, I couldn't bend down all the way.

[Kat]

I don't think that's for the elderly.

[Amy]

I think it's for the elderly.

[Kat]

No, I.

[Amy]

Or the pregnant.

[Kat]

Every time I've been.

[Amy]

Every time you've been where?

[Kat]

To a plotting studio, like you said.

[Amy]

A strip class.

[Kat]

Every time I've been to a strip class, there's been a poll.

[Amy]

There's been a poll, right? Yes.

[Kat]

No. Every time I've been to a Pilates class or a legree class, they have those things. And for some moves, the teacher brings them to everybody.

[Amy]

Oh, I've never done it.

[Kat]

You must go to really advanced, because sometimes I'm, like, living for that pole.

[Amy]

I have never seen a poll before. And no, I go to regular. Like, I. I don't go to advance, but I've never done legree, so maybe that's why I feel like I'm too scared of that. That seems too intense.

[Kat]

Well, I think. No, you can. If I can do it, you can do it. Thank you. I don't have back pain right now, so.

[Amy]

Well, so I'm grateful. Okay, well, that's my feeling.

[Kat]

You're grateful?

[Amy]

What's yours?

[Kat]

I'm feeling shook. And I'm feeling shook for two reasons. I'm feeling shook because of a voicemail we got, and I'm feeling shook. And maybe shook is the wrong word for the second one, but it's just what came to me. I feeling shook about something. We prefaced our listeners to listen to Beth's Dead podcast about this crazy thing that happened. They're all out. I listened to the last one. I saved it for today so it'd be fresh on my mind.

[Amy]

Oh, wow.

[Kat]

The second to last episode. I was, like, so annoyed, and so I was like, I'm done with this. So I needed a break. And then I was like, I'll listen to the last one before, because surely something I. What I thought was going to happen was going to happen, and it didn't. So which one do you want to talk about first?

[Amy]

Well, I don't know your thoughts on Beth's dead, so I'm very curious about those. I do know the voicemail, so let's go ahead and get the voicemail out of the way because I, too, am a little shook by that.

[Kat]

Not even a little.

[Amy]

Like, I'm disturbed. I'm confused, scared. I'm worried for humanity. Yes. So this is a voicemail that came in about why you should always wash your underwear. Well, and more.

[Kat]

Well, you wash your underwear. New underwear.

[Amy]

Right. Because Kat has admitted she doesn't wash swimsuits, underwear, sheets, like, nothing. She's, like, straight out of the bag, straight from the store, this outfit.

[Kat]

And I didn't want to rub this.

[Amy]

All over my body. And now after you hear this voicemail that we got from a caller who is anonymous, but not because we, you know, she's like, don't say my name. She just, like, didn't say her name. Whoever sent this, like, if you're listening now, thank you for, you know, changing Kat's life, because now she's going to start washing everything.

[Kat]

Yeah, this scared me.

[Amy]

Here's the voicemail. So I used to be with Cat on the. Not washing my clothes or anything after I bought them until I saw a video of a guy taking a pair of panties in the store, putting the whole thing in his mouth, sucking on it, and then sitting it back down on the shelf. And ever since then, I have washed all my clothes, especially my underwear. Cat, please think about creepy people out there. Okay, Love you guys. Bye.

[Kat]

Okay, she lost me when she said sucking on it. Like, why would he even mean he was sucking on it?

[Amy]

Like, he grabbed the underwear and put.

[Kat]

The whole thing in his mouth. And it was like, but why?

[Amy]

Like, why? I don't understand.

[Kat]

Just. I wonder if he, like, does that on the regular. If he was just trying to, like, pull a prank.

[Amy]

Okay. But honestly, I'm sort of like, okay, at least he was like, I'd rather it be that orifice. And like, I thought she was gonna say he grabbed the underwear and, like, stuck it down his pants.

[Kat]

Yeah, well, that's actually. That is better because then it's wet. Right? So, like, just don't. I guess it would dry. Eventually. It dries if you just stuck it down his pants. It would never.

[Amy]

Well, and then, like, yeah, see, I'd rather if I had to choose, like, the mouth is. It's not okay, but it's better than the alternative.

[Kat]

Also, he's doing this in public where she was able to see it. Who else saw this? And did anybody say something?

[Amy]

See something, Say something?

[Kat]

Exactly. You wouldn't. Because you'd be afraid of somebody retaliating.

[Amy]

No, no. If I knew, he wouldn't. He didn't know that I was the one that said something.

[Kat]

You would tell.

[Amy]

I would just go tell, like a clerk or I wonder if this somebody that worked there.

[Kat]

Listener Anonymous told somebody. I wish I could ask her some questions about this thing.

[Amy]

Now, like, we need more details. Call us back and give us more details about it. Did you get the underwear?

[Kat]

What kind of underwear was it? Where were you? I guess were other people watching? Yeah, because, like, if it's like full butted underwear, that's a lot of.

[Amy]

If it's like granny panties, it's like a lot. If it's just like.

[Kat]

Okay. Yeah, we have questions. Yeah, so I'm shook. Yeah.

[Amy]

But I love the, the just like the little nugget that. That was like such a simple voicemail. That was entertaining, perplexing, educational. Yes, and educational. And is going to likely encourage change to you.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Yes.

[Amy]

Because you know you're now going to become a washer.

[Kat]

You know what, Patrick, I'm just thinking about this. He. We just went to Target and got him some new boxers. Didn't wash them. They were folded in a package, though.

[Amy]

Yeah. So it's unlikely that you can't fit.

[Kat]

A pair of boxers in your mouth.

[Amy]

Right.

[Kat]

Okay. I. I vow to. You know what? I'm just gonna go buy some new underwear today just to prove that I can wash them before I wear them.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

Stand by that. Okay. You do.

[Amy]

You do that. You report back, see if you just feel anything different.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Okay. So why else are you shook? I mean, the voicemail shook, but I know it's in regards to Beth's dead, but I don't know your thoughts on the final episode, which, if you didn't get the homework assignment and you didn't listen. Well. Sorry. That's okay. And we're probably saving you time, depending on Kat's feelings. Maybe you would say, now, don't listen.

[Kat]

I would say listen to the first six or seven episodes. Okay.

[Amy]

Are we gonna talk about what happened?

[Kat]

Yes.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

But also, like, so I don't really hear this.

[Amy]

Like, don't. Like, I honestly feel like. Yes, it's like a waste of time now.

[Kat]

Yeah, I. When I first started listening to it, I thought something completely different was going on.

[Amy]

Same.

[Kat]

So I was really invested in it and I was just like, this is so crazy. Oh, my gosh, this is like such a good idea for a podcast. Like, I love it. But then as the episodes went on, we'll talk about what the actual content was. But this is my critique of the actual podcast, which I know podcasting is hard and I'm not trying to be judgmental, but this was my thought about it. As it went on, it felt more manufactured and less like. Because it felt at first like it was this like organic unveiling of the story. And then it felt more manufactured and they were just trying to like, squeeze the lemon and like the story was over. But they just, I guess they needed 10 episodes because it was a 10 episode series. I Don't know if I want to say my thought, my overall thought, because it's about the ending.

[Amy]

Okay, well, then think about that. Think about whether or not you want to say your overall thought. And I'm going to read an email that we got from our listener, Cindy.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

And I love that she signs the email and only Cindy, because what were you calling Cindy?

[Kat]

What were you saying? Oh, no. Oh, I get what she's meant. I thought she was. I thought that was a callback from when you were talking about Cindy Lou who or something. Cindy who or something.

[Amy]

No, no, no, no, no. She's clarifying that she is just her. And it's just her. She is not someone else. Because Beth's dead. Has to do with a catfishing situation.

[Kat]

Okay, that's actually really funny. It is funny.

[Amy]

That was good, Cindy. We get.

[Kat]

We.

[Amy]

We get you even Cat. She's a little slow. Hi. I heard about Beth's dead from you guys, and I binged it in a couple of days. I'm flabbergasted at where the host ended up. I cannot wait to hear your thoughts on it. I feel like the guy is just a master manipulator, and they were absolutely duped again. He came in with the addiction angle, knowing Monica would have compassionate. Now I feel bizarre emailing podcasts like this. I swear, I'm one human, love the podcast, and I listen weekly. Thanks for being you, Cindy, and only Cindy.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

Which, okay, to all of our listeners, if you listen to Beth's dead because of us, and then now you're second guessing ever sending us a voicemail or an email, don't. We are fine having healthy, parasocial relationship with y'.

[Maria Hinojosa]

All.

[Amy]

I think that those can exist. In fact, we have those with listeners, and then some have become, like, where we know listeners. We see them out and about and it's like. Or we see them at events and it's like, oh, hey, how are you? I haven't seen you in a while. Or like, we end up knowing faces that we DM with, but it stays healthy. It's cool. Like, we're not. We're not gonna go anywhere crazy. But if you haven't listened, you might be like, well, what could you be flabbergasted about? And what is she talking about? Like, addiction angle and Monica having compassion. Well, so Monica works alongside Dax Shepard, who is in recovery, and she mentions in the podcast that she's knows a lot of people in recovery, so who knows who else in her life?

[Kat]

I think relapse while she was working with him.

[Amy]

He did. So she's walked through that.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

As well. And I have walked alongside people with alcoholism in the last five years. So I feel like I have learned a lot about that. And you can tell Monica knows the program. She even probably works her own type of program as well. A loved one of someone that is an alcoholic or an addict. And I highly respect her demeanor towards people. Like, she seems like a very caring, compassionate person. I gathered that through the episode. I was like, okay, wow. And I found myself being very compassionate towards the catfisher. And I did. I did. Why are you looking at me crazy? Okay, okay. See, I feel like you're feeling shook, but I. And like, okay, I can be convinced otherwise, but I don't agree with Cindy. And maybe based on the look on your face, like y' all don't think he was being genuine.

[Kat]

Okay, I'm going to preface this with I also very. I want to be careful. I have a lot of compassion for, of course, the addiction community. I've worked in addiction for many years. I wouldn't call myself the expert of experts on it, but I understand it.

[Amy]

You for sure do. And I can vouch for you on that. But I'm wondering, how much do we need to give people that are listening to us now that maybe haven't listened to all of the episodes?

[Kat]

I think if you haven't listened to it, you're not. You don't need to.

[Amy]

So how do we talk about this in a way that's going to be entertaining to them?

[Kat]

Well, because I'm going to explain what happened. Sweet.

[Amy]

Okay. Well, I didn't know how far back.

[Kat]

We were going to go. I think I can explain it in a nutshell.

[Amy]

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[Ed Helms]

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[Kat]

Kal Penn and we are the hosts.

[Ed Helms]

Of earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast I am talking to film and TV critic, radio and podcast host and Harry Potter super fan Rhianna Dillon to discuss Audible's full cast adaptation of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. What moments in this audiobook capture the feeling of the magical world best for you or just stood out the most?

[Rhianna Dillon]

I always loved reading about the Quidditch matches and and I think the audio really gets it because it just plunges you right into the stands. You have the crowd sounds like all around you is surround sound, especially if you're listening in headphones.

[Ed Helms]

Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcast.

[Kelly]

Hey, I'm Kelly and some of you may know me as Laura Winslow.

[Telma]

And I'm Telma, also known as Aunt Rachel.

[Kelly]

If those names ring a bell, then you probably are familiar with the show that we were both on back in the 90s called Family Matters.

[Telma]

Kelly and I have done a lot of things and played a lot of roles over the years, but both of us are just so proud to have been part of Family Matters.

[Kat]

Did you know that we are one.

[Kelly]

Of the longest running sitcoms with a black cast? When we were making the show, there were so many moments filled with joy and laughter and cut up that I will never forget.

[Telma]

Oh, girl, you got that right. The look that you all give me is so black.

[Kelly]

All black people know about the look. On each episode of welcome to the Family, we'll share personal reflections about making the show.

[Telma]

Yeah, we'll even bring in part of the cast and some other special guests to join in the fun and spill some tea. Listen to welcome to the Family with Telma and Kelly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kat]

So basically what happened is there's back in the beginning of podcast, there's this podcast that listeners would just like our couch talks. Listeners would email questions and stuff and they would read them and give advice. So what had happened was somebody started emailing these two. It was a husband and a wife, and you can fill in any gaps that I'm missing, but started emailing. The first email was about, like some fat shaming or body shaming of somebody. And it was a good question, I think. Like, good, Good for thought, good for conversation for the podcast seemed pretty normal, Kind of tugged on their heartstrings. Then what ended up transpiring is they started getting more and more emails from the same person. And I won't give up the storylines of the emails because they're not that important. But just like on couch talks, when, like we read an email and listeners then will email us about that email, like an update. An update. But then like, even other people will be like, oh, I heard your email about Susan and I wanted to like her, know that I'm thinking of her. And we've had like, those connections.

[Amy]

And I love those moments.

[Kat]

Yes. They're so sweet and so special. So that was happening here and there ended up being like five people that were emailing the woman, the host, and she was responding back, like, right away, and they were getting very intense. And it wasn't just like emailing questions for the podcast. They were emailing personal stuff. So she gets wrapped up in this whole thing. She becomes very enmeshed in this one particular character story, Beth. And then Beth dies by suicide, I think, Right?

[Amy]

Yep.

[Kat]

So that creates a whole other snowball.

[Amy]

Effect it leads to their podcast ending.

[Kat]

Yes. Yes. And, like, this woman is torn up by this.

[Amy]

I thought when I heard that part, because at this point when we're listening, we think that Beth is real and she's really dead.

[Kat]

Yes. Oh, yeah. I never thought one other thing other than what the story that they were telling us was true. And when Beth died, this is the thought I had. I was like, this is. And I think I told you this. This is kind of weird that they're reading this dead person's emails as if she's a crazy person because she's dead and we should respect her. And, like, what if she didn't want that out there?

[Amy]

Well, I. That's sweet of you to think of her. I was thinking about us and our relationships and listeners and, like, thinking back over emails that we've gotten over the years, and, like, I started to wonder, like, okay, you know how you give the disclaimer at the beginning of couch talks? I'm like, oh, thank God we get a disclaimer. Like, we're covered there legally. Like, if someone were to, like, make a decision and do something or just that. Okay, we've maintained, like, healthy boundaries. We don't get too wrapped up and in things. Yes, we appreciate the correspondence and we want it, but also, we can't. Like, that was cool of her to sit down and start responding to every single email. But if you've ever emailed us, you may know that your email may end up on a couch talks, and then that's where we address it.

[Kat]

Right.

[Amy]

Occasionally we'll write back and maybe that's wrong. I haven't thought about it because early in my career, I spent time replying to almost everybody, even hate mail that I would get. Like, I would spend a long time drafting, like, a very thoughtful response. And then I realized I had to soon let that go, which then sort of led to me letting go in a lot of communication. And I'm sort of like, there are some, like, I would love to respond to, but I'm like, if we're going to talk about it on couch talks eventually, then I may not need to email back. Or I might be like, hey, heads up. This is going to be on upcoming couch talks. Like, yeah, be on the lookout. But I don't engage in a lot of back and forth. But it's more of a. A time thing. And not because I don't care about our listeners or I don't want to have great gratitude, but it's like, I also would rather. Okay, if I saw Them in person. Like, I want to connect that way and be like, hey, oh, if we had a live podcast, or I ran into them somewhere and they said, hi, like, that would be better. But I can't have these email relationships with every single person that comes in. But it just made me think of anybody that's ever emailed us. And have we ever read an email that was fake that. That, like, someone sent pretending to be somebody else?

[Kat]

Well, I think that there's. There's two ways that could happen. It could be, like, beth dead, like, I'm pretending to be somebody else, or you could be asking a question on, like, behalf of a friend. And I think they addressed this in the last episode. Like, if something happened to my friend and I wanted to ask about it, it wasn't my story, I might write an email and act like it was my story, and vice versa. That's not catfishing. That's just like, asking the legit question in a way that feels comfortable. This is like, you're pretend. You're making up a whole storyline. You're making up whole people. And, like, maybe that has happened to us, but nothing to this extent, because we don't have those ongoing conversations, which.

[Amy]

That. It made me thankful that we kind of have things set up the way that we do or we operate in that way.

[Kat]

But, Amy, that was happening. I would be like, you gotta stop, respond. Like, this girl, this podcast host, and she talks a little bit about her story. You kind of want to be like, okay.

[Amy]

Like, you should have. Yeah. Like, what are you doing?

[Kat]

Like, you're not. I don't want to be rude, because she had. I understand why she got so enmeshed into it, but, like, that. I think she needs to address that of, like, some of those.

[Amy]

And she said that. Yeah, yeah.

[Kat]

So.

[Amy]

And. And she also. There's a reason why she wasn't filling her husband on everything, because I think he would have been like, babe, what are you doing?

[Kat]

So, thankfully, we can both see our email account. So if you were doing that, unless you were deleting them, I'd be like, amy, we're going a little too far.

[Amy]

You did see an email that I sent the other day. It's something I won't ever bring up on couch talks, but someone said. Sent in an email asking about something sort of private, and it's one I could have ignored, but for whatever reason that day, I was feeling like, I'm gonna give this person an explanation because, I don't know, feel like it, and I can do it in A thoughtful way. So I replied to them and gave them an explanation. And you saw it.

[Kat]

Yeah. But the person responded in a very healthy way, too.

[Amy]

They responded in a healthy way too. I know it was a healthy exchange. But you were like, you were like. I saw you replied to that listener and I was shocked.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And I was like, yeah, you know, could have. She could have emailed or I could have read the email the next day and probably not had the energy to respond. But for whatever reason, in that moment, I decided to send a response and I'm glad I did. And it was, yes, it was a healthy exchange. And then poop, poop, we ended it and it's all good. But you did see that.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Amy]

If I had continued to correspond and there was some back and forth and it got a little weird and crazy, you might be like, amy, stop.

[Kat]

We gotta pull the plug on this.

[Amy]

Yeah, that was an example of like a healthy exchange of a very parasocial relationship type question.

[Kat]

And that person was respectful.

[Amy]

Very. Yeah.

[Kat]

So anyway, to kind of round out this story so I can get to my thoughts on the ending. Turns out Beth didn't die because Beth didn't exist.

[Amy]

Yeah, she's. So that was a man.

[Kat]

Yeah, it was. It was one person that was like these. They know of like five to seven people. There could have been more of them that the host was emailing all of these people. And then they ended up doing some investigative work of their own because they were kind of scared when they, when all this happened and they thought I.

[Amy]

Was scared for them.

[Kat]

Oh, yeah.

[Amy]

I was like, wow, they must be so sure about what they're about to do. Because I couldn't believe it when they confronted.

[Kat]

When they did the zoom.

[Amy]

Or just like putting the whole. Even at the beginning of the whole podcast, like when I was like, wait, I don't know where this is going, but like, how they're able to talk about all of this is crazy. And before we continue, I think think it might be cool to just define parasocial in case anybody listening doesn't know exactly what that means, because I've only become familiar with it in the last couple of years or so. It's a one sided relationship where a person feels a strong emotional connection with a media figure, like a celebrity influencer or fictional character who is unaware of their existence involving feelings of friendship or intimacy, despite the lack of real interaction. It was coined in the 1950s. Who knew?

[Kat]

Oh, wow. So, yeah, they find out this person's not. None of these people are real. Then they are trying to figure out who it is because they want to. I don't know what they really wanted to do. I mean, what can you do? You can't, like, sue this person. Like, it was a little bit of stock. It was kind of stalking, but they thought it was this one prominent figure, a professor on the east coast in religion or spirituality or theology or something like that. And in my head, I'm like, they're basically giving this person identity.

[Amy]

I know. I wanted to Google to try to figure out.

[Kat]

I looked at Reddit.

[Amy]

Oh, is there. Did they say.

[Kat]

I. It was a. I will say it was kind of overwhelming for me to read all the Reddit comments, so I kind of eventually stopped once I. So I don't know. I don't think they figured out who it was. I think there were, like, two people they thought it was, but then I don't know that anybody. To me, I'm like, we could have. It feels like it could have been figured out, but any.

[Amy]

Well, they did say they changed things to make sure nobody weren't dropping clues. So I'm like, well, when did they go. When did they go edit and change? Yeah. Like, did they purposefully say east coast when really it's middle America?

[Kat]

That's a good point.

[Amy]

That's actually west coast, you know.

[Kat]

Yeah. So then they end up deciding that they're going to confront this person that they think it is. And this is when I was like, this is going to get so good. Because it kind of went like, okay, we found out it's not a real person. The podcast should be ended. But now they're dragging this podcast on. They're like, we're going to confront this person. Can I keep going? Okay.

[Amy]

Why are you asking me?

[Kat]

Well, because I don't know if there's anything else you wanted to say before I give this away.

[Amy]

Oh, no, I think I'm fine with it. I'm actually looking up to see, on Reddit, they were speculating.

[Kat]

I will say on Reddit, people are writing long.

[Amy]

They have, like, a parasocial relationship with.

[Kat]

With this. Yes. And I was like, I can't read all of this. It's too much. So they decide to confront this person. They had a phone number that this person had given them. They end up calling the person, agrees to do a interview with them as long as they would change his voice, which was shocking to me. I was like, there's no way this person's gonna do it. And then they end up doing it, and it's not the person they Thought it is he his son. This is where they lost me.

[Amy]

Okay, see? Why did they lose you and what do you think?

[Kat]

Because I don't think it was the sun.

[Amy]

You think you don't.

[Kat]

I do not think it was the sun.

[Amy]

I think it was the sun.

[Kat]

I don't think it was. Now I will say in the last.

[Amy]

I'm just gonna keep repeating you. You don't think it was the sun?

[Kat]

I don't.

[Amy]

I wonder if Cindy does.

[Kat]

I don't.

[Amy]

I maybe cuz Cindy is flabbergasted.

[Kat]

So I will give the credit that Monica said because they changed the guy's voice, you lose some of the intentionality and the sincereness of this guy because they had to do voice altering. So his voice is kind of just like kind of monotone and blah. And they were saying like he was so sincere, he was so authentic, he was like so apologetic and all of that. Here's my thick. Here's my main thing. He didn't remember like anything, but then.

[Amy]

He would kind of remember some stuff.

[Kat]

Yeah, it was like what?

[Amy]

That's where it got me. Where I was like, well, why do you remember this one thing but you don't remember other things?

[Kat]

And like you don't remember one of the main things was the money that he donated. So he gave them a thousand dollars.

[Amy]

And he goes, did I?

[Kat]

I'm like, you remember if you were. And this is judgmental of me, my thoughts are if you are heavy in addiction, you probably are spending a lot of money on stuff and hurting for money. And a lot of times people have to end up taking money from other. Like you don't have like a thousand dollars just hanging out that you would give to a podcast when you probably want to be using it on other stuff.

[Amy]

And you're living in your parents, you're.

[Kat]

Living in your parents basement. So that's one of my.

[Amy]

That, that, that part I will say did perplex me. I was perplexed at a lot of the, the, the when he would remember stuff and when not. But I was like, well, I guess it might depend on how drunk he was. But then if you are his drug of the choice. No, I'm saying alcohol. But it could have been other things. If he's under the influence of whatever I said drunk, but could be drugs. So how is he able to keep all the characters, you know, because there was multiple listeners, emailers, characters, he was able to keep them straight and his.

[Kat]

Emails were like coherent.

[Amy]

So like maybe at the time when he's in the addiction like, he remembers it all. It's sort of like, you know, you're living in a, like your little. That time frame and then maybe when he comes out of that into sobriety, could it be that he blocks some of that time?

[Kat]

That's very possible. But my thing is not even that, like, he wasn't an addict. I very well think this man is. Could be an addict and he's in recovery and all that. I think he's covering for his dad.

[Amy]

But part of recovery is honesty.

[Kat]

Well, I don't know. I don't know. All. I haven't worked this whole thing out.

[Amy]

Well because I'm just thinking like, that being like, living like a. How do you explain alignment?

[Kat]

But how do you explain the IP addresses? So at. The way they found out who this guy was is because they traced the IP addresses. Don't ask me to explain an IP address.

[Amy]

Well, it's where you can find out where something is being sent from at any given time. And he was in Europe.

[Kat]

Yes, in these very specific places. And that's when these emails were sent. And like, I don't think this.

[Amy]

Well, the son said sometimes he would travel with his dad or on his own.

[Kat]

He said that?

[Amy]

He did. He did. Because I too was wondering. And he did say that, however.

[Kat]

That's convenient.

[Amy]

But he was acting as if he doesn't agree with a lot of what his father says and does.

[Kat]

So why is he going with him to his academic.

[Amy]

Well, you can still have a relationship with your. Because, yeah. If your dad's like, hey, I have to go to Europe for this. You want to go?

[Kat]

Like, maybe say, no, maybe if he's like, heavy in addiction, his dad doesn't want to leave him at home.

[Amy]

Maybe.

[Kat]

Okay, that makes sense.

[Amy]

But my question to you is on with this theory, which you could be totally onto something, but say it still is the dad and the son is covering for him is part of the act. Like, hey, if you're going to cover for me, I need you. It probably makes more sense that we have conflict in our relationship. Like, you should act as if you don't align with me politically, religiously, and that will seem more real. Yeah, because he's like, look, I don't really. And then. And then he really wanted to leave his dad out of it. He's like, my dad knows nothing about this. Like, he didn't do this.

[Kat]

Which is shocking. Shocking.

[Amy]

I need to know who this family is.

[Kat]

I know. I have a strong feeling that the dad had more to lose if he was found out. And they found out who it was. So this is a very convenient, like, hey, son, you cover for me and you know, I'll pay for your. Anything you need. Like, I'm sure there's a trade off there. And hear me when I say this, I'm making all. This is all my speculation.

[Amy]

Well, yeah.

[Kat]

And so I don't want, like, I could be totally wrong, and I'm okay with that, but it just seems a little fishy. And what bothered me, I think, about the last two episodes is they were so easily convinced by this guy, they didn't question it at all.

[Amy]

And don't you think off air, though, behind the scenes they probably did.

[Kat]

Like, I wonder if they're like, they have to be politically correct. So they're like, oh, like he was an addict. Like, he's was going through tough times. They don't want to, like, sound harsh or judgmental. It's part of my thought of, like, why they were so easily like, oh, he's a good guy. We forgive him everything. This is great. I'm glad this happened. The last episode really got me when they were like, more concerned, which if he really was an addict and this really was because he was in his addiction, he was sick, then. I get it. I guess my thing is I want more of the conversation of them questioning it or like, how did they get there so quickly?

[Amy]

So I guess there's an armchair expert thing on Reddit, because I just googled and now I'm on some Reddit page and there's stuff that's been redacted, so I can't see it all. Like, did you know you could redact on Reddit?

[Kat]

No. He's redacting it.

[Amy]

I don't know. Maybe.

[Kat]

Monica, do you think that's the guy's name is right there?

[Amy]

I don't know. But someone replied to a redacted statement. So from the reply, you can kind of guess what maybe the statement was saying. But they're. I think they're thinking more of what you're thinking and they're sort of feeling crazy because they listen to the last episode and they're like, wait, what? This is how y' all are responding? Because they said, I don't know. Do you give Reddit handles?

[Kat]

Does it matter? They're anonymous handles anyway, and I think that somebody wants credit for it.

[Amy]

Okay, so glad to find this here. As I thought I was the one losing my mind after the Zoom call with the Sun. I expected the team to reconvene and have a wtf Was that reaction the OMG I believe him now I have closure. I guess the police, the private investigator, and everyone else was wrong. Reaction was totally unexpected and kind of blew me away. The guy was so vague about everything, really said nothing specific about the podcast that would give any indication that he was a regular listener. Couldn't remember pretty big details like emailing a question in as Natasha had to be prodded to remember that he occasionally would take trips with his dad. We're also, as others have mentioned, supposed to buy that this guy is enough of an alcoholic and drug addict to not remember large chunks of details about this time frame, but that during the midst of his addiction he was able to keep track of the intricate plot details of multiple fictional characters he had created, as well as write an academic level.

[Kat]

Oh that you're right.

[Amy]

That was. That was crazy. Now the old the piece about religion.

[Kat]

But if he was like tripping on something like a hallucinogen, I can see how he could write that. I could see because it sounded like he's in la la land when he was writing that. Okay, but if you were drunk or just like high off of whatever, you're not writing that. So this person. Thank you. Because they put how I feel into beautiful words. I just feel like, huh, you took us on this ride and then this is how you're gonna end it. The son literally didn't know. It's like he wasn't even prepared enough to have that interview. Cuz every time they asked him something he's like, I don't know, I don't remember. I'm so sorry.

[Amy]

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[Mike De La Rocha]

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[Ed Helms]

Hey everyone, it's Ed Helms and I'm.

[Kat]

Cal Penn and we are the hosts.

[Ed Helms]

Of Irsay, The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast I am talking to film and TV critic, radio and podcast host and Harry Potter super fan Rhianna Dillon to discuss Audible's full cast adaptation of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. What moments in this audiobook capture the feeling of the magical world best for you or just stood out the most?

[Rhianna Dillon]

I always loved reading about the Quidditch matches and and I think the audio really gets it because it just plunges you right into the stands you have the crowd sounds like all around you is surround sound, especially if you're listening in headphones.

[Ed Helms]

Listen to Earsay the Audible and iHeart Audio Book Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kelly]

Hey, I'm Kelly and some of you may know me as Laura Winslow and.

[Telma]

I'm Telma, also known as Aunt Rachel.

[Kelly]

If those names ring a bell, then you probably are familiar with the show that we were both on back in the 90s called Family Matters Kelly and.

[Telma]

I have done a lot of things and played a lot of roles over the years, but both of us are just so proud to have been part of family matters.

[Kat]

Did you know that we are one.

[Kelly]

Of the longest running sitcoms with a black cast? When we were making the show, there were so many moments filled with joy and laughter and cut up that I will never forget.

[Telma]

Oh, girl, you got that right. The look that you all give me is so black.

[Kelly]

All black people know about the look. On each episode of welcome to the Family, we'll share personal reflections about making the show.

[Telma]

Yeah, we'll even bring in part of the cast and some other special guests to join in the fun and spill some tea. Listen to welcome to the Family with Telma and Kelly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amy]

Oh, it says here, and I forgot to think about this as well. They said don't forget his emails had double spacing at the start of new sentences. Considering the professor's age, I imagine that the the sun is a millennial at most. I believe the last generation of people who did that was the typewriter type spacing generation.

[Kat]

Well, I did that in college, but that's just because it made your page longer. Oh, it had to be like three pages. I would double space.

[Amy]

Well, I don't think he was headed for a. A page count because I know we needed that. And then another person is with you too, Cat here. They say, also, how do you not remember $1,000. Yeah, like that you.

[Kat]

When he doesn't have a job or anything. Maybe he did have a job then, but I think I just feel like disappointed. Not that it was him that like it. We went on this ride and then we're just gonna be like, okay, this seems right. When everything, all evidence pointed to his.

[Amy]

Dad, I am shocked. I had not looked up anything online. I, I think when I was listening to it, I was on a walk and I was thinking, oh, I need to look this up when I get back. And then I moved on with life and forgot about it. But most people here are thinking it's still the dad.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

They're like you.

[Kat]

Which I will say good on. I mean, that's smart on the dad. If, if, if that's.

[Amy]

I'm trying to think if, like my mom or dad came to me, they would either have something that they're blackmailing me with.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Like the dad is either like, hey, here's I'll pay for this, or if you don't do this Then I have this information about you, and it's gonna ruin your life.

[Kat]

But actually, no, because I thought about that if this was my parents and they got themselves in this situation and I could take the fall. But no, because we're never gonna know who that guy is. There's no way to find out who he is. So I could take the fall, but the only people that would know were Monica and the two podcast hosts. So I think if I realized that my parents, like, royally messed up and that got themselves in this huge thing, I might have the compassion for my parents to fall on the sword for him. That guy is getting no consequence. Like, I wouldn't get a consequence for taking the blame. It's not like people. It's not like we got to see his face or know who he is. So he's really not even taking the blame. It's just shifting the blame off of the professor.

[Amy]

Yeah. And you know how something else that's coming up and what I'm reading from people is he did his research to know how to connect with the podcast host. Like you mentioned, one of the first emails that he wrote in about was a. A body image type question. Right. So he was calculated in that, like, likely trying to tug on the host's heartstrings because she had mentioned her issues with her mom growing up. So he did certain things to manipulate and. And that relationship with her. Right. Well, with Monica, because she has walked through it with Dax and maybe other people. If he's done his research on Monica, he knows that one way to pull at her heartstrings and manipulate her would be to be an addict in and recovery and now have remorse. And I've wanted to make amends, but I didn't want to open up that wound. Like, if y' all had moved on, like, you know, or how would I go about doing it? So they're saying that just like he manipulated Elizabeth, the podcast host, he then did the same thing to Monica, which, who knows, maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but it is a theory.

[Kat]

You bringing that up made me remember. And this is a question I have for you. Like a would what would you do? Situation. You know that. And for people that didn't listen to the podcast, there was one storyline where this person wrote in and she was engaged to this guy, and she had posed for nude photos before she was with this person to, I think, make money to get through school or something like that. And these photos ended up being mass distributed and I guess were very popular. And, like, if you went to certain websites that she didn't know that were they were going to be on. You could see them. And so she was like, they're so popular that like, my, my. My now fiance's family is going to find out, like, do we get in front of it and tell them or do we just act like it never happened? Now, my one question is, I want to know what you would do. But also, they. He took that storyline so far where he sent the photos to the podcast.

[Amy]

Host and she looked at them.

[Kat]

She looked at them. I want to know what you would do in both those situations. Would you ever click that link?

[Amy]

No. No. Nope.

[Kat]

No.

[Amy]

Well, first of all, I'm not going to be engaging that much back and forth to where I'm ever going. Yeah. Like, I think I would be way too. I mean, who knows if, if I had communicated at that level, then maybe I would look just to like, try to understand. Because she seems like. Yeah, really enmeshed in the situation now. But I just don't think I'm gonna get to that point.

[Kat]

Right. Okay.

[Amy]

And then I think, what would you.

[Kat]

Do if you were the.

[Amy]

I just want a healthy boundary of like, I don't think I should be looking at these nude pictures or whatever they are. I don't know, like the whole thing. Just looking back. I mean, I even think Elizabeth realizes now, like, oh my gosh. Yeah, that was really weird.

[Kat]

I guess when she was in it, she was just so immeshing it.

[Amy]

Yeah. But I mean, she was often up late at night. She was breastfeeding. Like she could have been very tired. Like there's a lot of reasons why she was trying to get lost in this world. Other world as well.

[Kat]

And she felt needed and. Yeah, all that.

[Amy]

And that can feel really good. Like she felt like she was helping Beth. Yeah, Elizabeth help. Felt like she was helping Beth.

[Kat]

Now here's the other part of that question is if you were that fake person, would you tell your fiance's family that you have nude photos or were you just act like it never happened?

[Amy]

I just act like it never happened.

[Kat]

Like, surely your family's not going to.

[Amy]

Bring it up to you, these photos.

[Kat]

Photos. Oh. Then the fake fiance ended up breaking up with her and then Beth felt really bad and had to.

[Amy]

So I was the brother.

[Kat]

Yes. Okay.

[Amy]

I mean, yeah, there was a lot of characters that he was having to keep up with when he was high or drunk or whatever.

[Kat]

Okay, so now where are you? Have.

[Amy]

I. I don't know. I mean, I typically don't believe Anything I see on Reddit, But I mean, interesting.

[Kat]

I think I'm open to anything being real. I just wish that there was more dialogue around the inconsistencies.

[Amy]

You know, someone put a name on here. I'm about to Google this person.

[Kat]

Don't say it. We could get sued.

[Amy]

We really?

[Kat]

I don't know. I feel like I don't want to falsely accuse.

[Amy]

Okay, well, it's on the armchair expert Reddit thing about it.

[Kat]

Is this the guy from Canada?

[Amy]

No, this is an American philosopher.

[Kat]

Does he look like he did it?

[Amy]

Maybe.

[Kat]

Does he have an adult son?

[Amy]

He's 60ish. So yeah, he could. I have no idea if he has kids yet. I haven't gotten that far into his Wikipedia, but I sure he can head on over to his personal life.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

He has a academic career, literary writing.

[Kat]

Literary writing?

[Amy]

Isn't that biblical interpretation influences personal life? He does. He does. He does.

[Kat]

Does that son say he has. I guess. Do they give information about the son's.

[Amy]

Life a little bit?

[Kat]

Scenadict a little bit?

[Amy]

No, I don't know about that part. No, no, no, no. Sorry. I'm saying they. They share a little bit, but I don't know. But that's where I found it.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

It's on that Reddit page, so I. It's interesting. I did not know that you were like that. It's not him. Like, I was like, oh, man. He really is making amends here and feels terrible. But you're right. Some of this, the two plus two is not four here.

[Kat]

Right. And I do think part of it could be their point to say that, like, you couldn't hear his voice to see his face. So, like, they got a different experience than we got.

[Amy]

Did you pay for any of the Patreon or you waited for the free.

[Kat]

No, thank God. I'd be so mad if I paid in that.

[Amy]

Yeah. Because that's what someone just put. I can't believe they duped me into Patreon. I feel like I got catfished by the host. Lol.

[Kat]

Literally.

[Amy]

Someone goes, is it possible that the entire story is fiction? Elizabeth is a writer, after all.

[Kat]

Oh, that would be good if this whole thing was fake.

[Amy]

Because it's entertainment.

[Kat]

Yeah. And we could never. That would be the ultimate. Like, honestly would give them an award if this whole thing was fake. Can you write things off as real that are fake?

[Telma]

What?

[Amy]

Can you.

[Kat]

What?

[Amy]

Can you write things off that are fake that are real? Can you write. I'm trying to guess what you were gonna say.

[Kat]

If I wrote a Memoir about my life and made a movie about it, but it was all made up. Can I get sued for that? Isn't that what that guy from Running with Scissors did? Or something about sprinkles?

[Amy]

Sprinkles, Scissors. But isn't a memoir supposed to be true?

[Kat]

Yes, but that's my point. It's like, if I'm in a memoir, but I just made it up. There was a guy. Somebody's going to know.

[Amy]

Oh, the million little pieces. Yes.

[Kat]

Yes.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

A million little Skittles. A million little scissors.

[Kat]

There's a book called Writing With Scissors that I was also Similar vibes.

[Amy]

Yes. Yeah. He got Oprah.

[Kat]

Yes. And Oprah promoted him. And then it found out that he was. It was not.

[Amy]

It was fabricated.

[Kat]

Yes. So do you get sued for that, or you just get, like, publicly shamed?

[Amy]

Publicly shamed, I suppose.

[Kat]

Okay. Because I can't be like, you lied to me and I got emotionally invested. I'm gonna sue you for emotional damages.

[Amy]

I don't know. You know, when I read Green Light.

[Kat]

I could not get through that book.

[Amy]

Matthew McConaughey, I was like, wow, he remembers so many details about his childhood.

[Kat]

That's why I couldn't get through it.

[Amy]

But he did say he's an avid journaler. So think about if you were to write down and journal. Which I wish that I did, because I'm like, I know I have some other good stories that I've just forgotten about, but he has so many. And I'm like, how many of these are just.

[Kat]

We talked about this fabric, though, when it came out, because he knew the exact conversations of certain things, and I'm just like.

[Amy]

Like, for real.

[Kat]

Which is okay that you had to, like, improvise a little bit, but I had to stop because I didn't. When it was like, Greenland, I. I didn't like it. Maybe I'll go back one day. So my question was, can you fabricate something and sell it as truth and get away with it?

[Amy]

Yeah, I'm sure people do that.

[Kat]

Okay, then, like, why am I not doing that?

[Amy]

I mean, because you have integrity.

[Kat]

I. You. I answered that as it was coming out of my mouth.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

I think integrity, though.

[Amy]

She does. And I think she has a lot of compassion, and I think that he tugged at her heartstrings. So either he is telling the truth and she is acting as exactly as she should, or I'm supportive of me, or she's been completely manipulated and they got duped.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

We'll have to find out. When Beth's Dead 2 comes up.

[Kat]

I will say I got an affinity for. Or what's. How do you say that? Developed an affinity for Monica. Like, I really do respect her and like her because I listened to her podcast, synced that she did, and it was just about like, her freezing her eggs. But you learn about, like, she talks about her personal life, and it just is like a sweet thing that she did that I think anybody who's going through that, listen to it because you learn a lot. It's not just about her journey. She also interviews all these different people. And now that I'm thinking about it, she might have interviewed Elizabeth and Andy. Andy. I wanted to call them Anders, Excessive character. And Andy. She might have interviewed them on.

[Amy]

Well, they started out as a parasocial relationship because she listened to their podcast and emailed them.

[Kat]

Crazy. That was cute.

[Amy]

It was cute. I know. I was like, oh, well, it's like, did you think of us?

[Kat]

No, you didn't.

[Amy]

But you weren't emailing me as a parasocial. You were emailing me as an opportunity, remember?

[Kat]

I think that I didn't. I offer just, like, resources or.

[Amy]

You heard from your friend's mom that we were looking for therapists that specialized in eating disorders. Okay, so you shot. You decided to shoot my shot. You weren't like, oh, I'm a big fan. I listen, like, I love you.

[Kat]

No, I was like, my friend's mom told me about it.

[Amy]

You're like, I don't even know who you are, quite frankly. I just heard from a bird that you're looking for a therapist. Therapist. And I am qualified. And guess what? I work right around the corner.

[Kat]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Amy]

Perfect. So you moseyed on over and sat down.

[Kat]

I didn't even think about that. But that. Yeah, that's cute. I did.

[Amy]

I was like, that's how Cat and I began.

[Kat]

Here we are.

[Amy]

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[Ed Helms]

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[Kat]

And I'm Kal Penn and we are.

[Ed Helms]

The hosts of Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast I am talking to film and TV critic, radio and podcast host and Harry Potter super fan Rhianna Dillon to discuss Audible's full cast adaptation of Harry Potter, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. What moments in this audiobook capture the feeling of the magical world best for you or just stood out the most?

[Rhianna Dillon]

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[Ed Helms]

Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audio Book Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kelly]

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[Telma]

I'm Telma, also known as Aunt Rachel.

[Kelly]

If those names ring a bell, then you probably are familiar with the show that we were both on back in the 90s called Family Matters.

[Telma]

Kelly and I have done a lot of things and played a lot of roles over the years, but both of us are just so proud to have been part of Family Matters.

[Kat]

Did you know that we are one.

[Kelly]

Of the longest running sitcoms with a black cast? When we were making the show, there were so many moments filled with joy and laughter and cut up that I will never forget.

[Telma]

Oh girl, you got that right. The look that you all give me is so black.

[Kelly]

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[Telma]

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[Maria Hinojosa]

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[Amy]

Speaking of emails, we got an offer, a fandom.

[Kat]

They keep coming in.

[Amy]

I know Cryo Cat's like, hello, send him my way.

[Kat]

Wait, I got one on my Venmo too. Somebody messaged me on Venmo and I have a request for how much? Well, he. It's just like, let me pull it up. It's like some kind of sugar daddy that's asking to connect with me or something.

[Amy]

Does he listen to the show? Is it fin dom or just random?

[Kat]

Well, I don't know. It could be just a coincidence, but.

[Amy]

Okay, so this is in reference to last year we talked about financial domination on an episode and it's this fetish of sorts. No, it is. It's just that point blank, a fetish where you demand. You demand money and they like to give it to you. The. The pigs. The pigs like to pay. The pay pigs. They like to pay pigs.

[Kat]

Get it right.

[Amy]

The pigs like to pay. They're called pay pigs.

[Kat]

And then what are that people called? Just like doms.

[Amy]

Like if cat was pay pig and I was a fin dom. You're a fin dom or a dom or whatever. I. I'd be like, cat, give me $50. And Kat would be like, okay. Because that's what she likes to do. She likes to be demanded to pay or buy things.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And. And we keep getting this email and we got another one. The most recent one says, hey, I reached out a couple of times on your fin dom episode. Are either of you interested? Sorry? If that was just a passing reference and you were not serious interested. Thanks. Which. Did we put a call out that we were.

[Kat]

No, not cryo cat. No, we didn't. We just were talking about it and then we made a reel about it. That was hilarious of you. Fin doming your boyfriend.

[Amy]

Yeah, which. He was a team debate. He wanted nothing to do with that.

[Kat]

But I think people just heard us talking about it and they're like, oh, here's an opportunity. For me to be a PayPal. The Venmo request is just from sugar daddy Earl Earl Ronald. And he wants to be friends, and he looks like Santa Claus.

[Amy]

Sugar daddy Earl Earl Ronald.

[Kat]

And I haven't confirmed it.

[Amy]

Okay, don't.

[Kat]

No. I feel like he could, like, find Christmas.

[Amy]

Happy New Year.

[Kat]

I don't know. Like, can you somebody find information about you if you. How. Why are you even friends with somebody on Venmo? I don't even get that.

[Amy]

I don't know either. I mean, I guess if there's people, you're exchanging things, and then you can, like, see. You can't see the amount, but you can see what they're paying for. Like. But I see people I know come up and I'll be like, oh, they have a cleaning lady.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Kat]

But I have all those people on my feed, but I'm not friends with them. I think I just, like, had their phone number in my phone.

[Amy]

Yeah, well, maybe you're just connected to your contacts.

[Kat]

Oh.

[Amy]

Like, whatever that is. I'm not sure. I got so freaked out when I first started Venmo because I didn't really understand it. This was years ago. My friend wanted me to pay her on Venmo, and I was like, I don't know about this. So I. Mine's even, like, not even my real name. And my picture is a blanket. Amy, what is it?

[Kat]

Let's change it. Well, now you change it.

[Amy]

It. No, it's fine.

[Kat]

People are gonna find the blanket and they're gonna know it's you.

[Amy]

But it's not my name. There could be lots of. Well, who cares? It doesn't matter.

[Kat]

Sugar daddy Earl Earl Ronald is gonna find you.

[Amy]

I have since accepted. I have since found out that Venmo is pretty safe. So, like, back then, I didn't know, but now it's just, like. It's just like a chase or a truist.

[Kat]

It's like a bank. Yeah. So, like, they can't give your information away.

[Amy]

Right.

[Kat]

Okay. Unless they get friend him and see.

[Amy]

Hacked by Earl Earl Donald John.

[Kat]

I'm gonna accept it because maybe that just allows him to send me money.

[Amy]

Yeah, but then you're in this weird Venmo relationship.

[Kat]

What's gonna happen? I'm not going to. I'm just, like, playing this out.

[Amy]

What's gonna happen is he's gonna. Patrick is gonna. He's gonna tell me he's in a relationship with you, and he's gonna be like, check her back out. Patrick's gonna be like, what is all this?

[Kat]

Money.

[Amy]

And he's gonna be like, what have you been doing this for money? And you're gonna be like, nothing. And he's like, I don't believe you. And then your marriage is over thanks to Donald. Donald Ronald John. What's his name?

[Kat]

Sugar daddy Donald. Donald Ronald Earl. Earl Donald.

[Amy]

That sugar daddy Earl. Earl Donald Ronald is not. It's probably some guy in India that sets up these accounts and then starts these relationships.

[Kat]

No, he looks like an American.

[Amy]

No, no, that's a cover photo.

[Kat]

It can't be.

[Amy]

They're catfishing you.

[Kat]

Can I. If I. Okay, wait. Oh, there's writing on his picture. I just clicked it. And his name is. You know, you have, like, at and then your Venmo name. His name is at. Text me here. And then gives his phone number. And his picture says, text me here. Gives his phone number. I'm legit sugar daddy looking for a local sugar baby. Kindly text me here if you are interested to get your $2,600 as your first present. Text me.

[Amy]

Okay, see, this just sounds very foreign and like, oh, this is how we're gonna get the American girls. Text me. Here's my. Text me 2000.

[Kat]

Oh, yeah, I'm not gonna give you. I'm not gonna text you. It's over, Ronald Donald. Anyway, sugar daddy, should we not. We're not going to answer the fin Dom either, but, like, how crazy that we. It's. It. It's never gonna die, is it? Well, if the podcast doesn't work out, we have a backup option. A little risky, but it's there.

[Amy]

I don't know if. How much he could fork over, but you never know. We'll keep podcasting. I think we're good. We have another email from our friend Ari. Oh, hopefully it's really Ari. Hey, Amy and Kat. First, I love your podcast. I laugh with you guys while I'm driving. Like we're friends in real life. Just kidding. See, I don't want Beth's dad to change our relationship with our listeners, because our listeners are not. They're like that. They're cool. We're cool.

[Kat]

Everybody's cool.

[Amy]

We have a cool, parasocial relationship.

[Kat]

Yeah, we're cool.

[Amy]

Sure. I'm listening to the podcast right now, and I had an idea for merch posters. Not like middle school posters, but beautiful adult wall art with the phrase, have the day you need to have. I'm a supervisor at my job, and I have an office that people I supervise often come into to chat. And I was thinking, what if there was a Sign of some sort. I could hang in my office that said have the day you need to have. You just design it to look pretty and sell it on nice paper. It ships rolled up in a tube and then people can frame it. Just a thought, I'd buy it. Thanks for all you do and your vulnerability. Your friend Ari.

[Kat]

I think that's a great idea.

[Amy]

And did you see our email from Camille today?

[Kat]

Yeah. Yes.

[Amy]

Okay. Which we need to meet about that, but she does our merch and she was like, hey, I would love to meet in the new year to see if we can add anything to the merch line that maybe is even at a lower price point. And I feel like this could be that.

[Kat]

Yeah, I have you. I don't know if you remember this, but in my office I have that poster that says feel your feelings. That's the vibe it's giving me. And I have it just on these like. Like this little magnet. It was like a ten dollar little magnet thing that like hangs it like so it looks like a pendant, you know, Cute. I think this could be. I know.

[Amy]

Like, I was like, oh, that's why I pulled this email because I was like, oh, my gosh, we just got that email from Camille. Now we have this email from our friend Ari. And it could be something that is that like it still have the day you need to have. But yeah, a different option if people don't want like a sweatshirt or a shirt.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And then it definitely would be at a different price point.

[Kat]

I love it.

[Amy]

Yeah, I love it. So thank you, Ari. Thank you for your suggestion. We will pass that on to Camille. We're going to be having a meeting with her at the end of the month.

[Kat]

Cool.

[Amy]

Did you see that?

[Kat]

Nope.

[Amy]

Oh, I replied.

[Kat]

I didn't read your reply. Okay. That was it today, wasn't it?

[Amy]

Yeah. This morning she said she's going out of the country, but she'll be back. Which her company is NB Goods, which she's got a lot of. Of really cute stuff, a lot of vintage stuff late lately, so. But she's the one that's been doing our merch. And all that [e-mail]. yes, feelingthingspodcast.com and y' all can email us. Hey [e-mail] and you can call us. We love your voicemails. 2026 is the year of us connecting more over voicemails. Let's take our parasocial relationships to the next level, to the phone.

[Kat]

Because that is like their Voice memoing us. And we're doing it back on the podcast.

[Amy]

Yes.

[Kat]

So.

[Amy]

So hit us up. 877-207-2077.

[Kat]

Yeah. Cool.

[Amy]

And then if you really want to connect, then Feeling Things on Instagram or Tick Tock or Feeling Things Book dictators. Is it Feeling Things Podcast, I think is the handle on the Tick Tock.

[Kat]

On the Tick Tock.

[Amy]

And the Instagram and the YouTube.

[Kat]

Oh, don't forget the YouTube.

[Amy]

We have so many ways you can be parasocial with us.

[Kat]

Yeah. You're welcome. Yeah.

[Amy]

Not even crazy. It's not even crazy. But thank you for your email, Cindy, about Beth's dead. You and Cat might be more on the same page, and I. I think I might have to do a little more research and then I might join y'.

[Kelly]

All.

[Amy]

And I'm very curious.

[Kat]

Well, now I feel bad.

[Amy]

You shouldn't feel bad.

[Kat]

Okay, thanks.

[Amy]

I think that you intuitively probably have a better handle on this sort of stuff. Like, I'm sort of like, you know me, like, what I. The last thing I hear, I believe, I'm like, oh, that happened. Oh, my gosh. And then like, oh, wait, that happened. Oh, my gosh. So that's why I told you I'd be a horrible juror.

[Kat]

Yeah, Horrible.

[Amy]

If there were two good, solid lawyers. Like, I would just be like, oh, yeah, they did it. They're innocent.

[Kat]

Not if you were a juror on p. Did his case.

[Amy]

Yeah. No, guilty.

[Kat]

Yeah. I don't get me started. We already did a whole episode on that.

[Amy]

I know.

[Kat]

That was before I watched the whole documentary.

[Amy]

Yeah, he's a mess.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And I feel like my thoughts continued on that. I didn't really understand at the time which cryo. Cat was chiming in a little bit, but I forgot about the part, like. But then went back and read some stuff because, you know, I multitask when I watch things. Sometimes I miss details. And the juror, it later came out that one of the girls, she's definitely a fan. Like, a huge fan.

[Kat]

You could tell. You could tell in the documentary. I'm like, in the documentary.

[Amy]

She wasn't really. And guess what? I believed her.

[Kat]

No, she seemed too on his side. Where the other guy. I'm like, there's no way. The other juror that was on there. I was like, I believe you. Like, he was not listening. He's older and whatever. I can't. I have no words. Speechless.

[Amy]

Speechless.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

And shook.

[Kat]

Talk about shook. That girl.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

I was watching. It was on the treadmill, and I was watching her. And honestly, she did put some pep in my step because I was, like, angry walking at her.

[Amy]

When you're big, like, that's what I'm saying, like, you're in tune. I think. Not that my intuition isn't correct or like your intuition is better than mine, but maybe I think. And you are a bit like, of course I want justice. Right. But you are really big on. Yeah, like, all things. And I just feel like if you feel like something's up with this Beth's dead, then there could be something up.

[Kat]

Well, thanks.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Open to being wrong, but also open to being right. Okay.

[Amy]

Well, we hope wherever y' all are, you are having the day you need to have. Bye.

[Kat]

Bye.

[Amy]

This podcast is brought to you by Kleenex Lotion Tissues. You know how life has those moments that just sneak up on you, the ones that make you feel a lot, sometimes all at once? Well, cold season can be one of those moments, too. It likes to take an entrance when you least expect it, but when it does, being prepared with a little comfort can make a big difference. Kleenex lotion tissues help protect, soothe, and moisturize your skin so that you can take care of yourself and those around you. My nose is been randomly running so much the last couple of months, so I've been keeping Kleenex lotion tissues nearby, and they have come in clutch. They're made with coconut oil and aloe. They give you that just right mix of moisturizing care and strength that we all definitely need during cold and flu season. It's the kind of small comfort that shows up for you so that you can keep showing up for everything else. For whatever happens next. Grab Kleenex.

[Mike De La Rocha]

A new year doesn't ask us to become someone new. It invites us back home to ourselves. I'm Mike De la Rocha, host of Sacred Lessons, a space for men to pause, reflect and heal. This year, we're talking honestly about mental health, relationships and the patterns we're ready to release. If you're looking for clarity, connection, and healthier ways to show up in your life, Sacred Lessons is here for you. Listen to Sacred Lessons with Mike on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ed Helms]

Hey, everyone, it's Ed Helms.

[Kat]

And I'm Kal Penn and we are.

[Ed Helms]

The hosts of Earsay, the Audible, and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am talking to film and TV critic, radio and podcast host and Harry Potter super fan Rhianna Dillon to discuss Audible's full cast adaptation of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. What moments in this audiobook capture the feeling of the magical world best for you or just stood out the most?

[Rhianna Dillon]

I always loved reading about the Quidditch matches and I think the audio really gets it because it just plunges you right into the stands. You have the crowd sounds all around you. It is surround sound, especially if you're listening in headphones.

[Ed Helms]

Listen to Hearsay, the Audible and iHeart Audio Book Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Maria Hinojosa]

I'm Maria Hinojosa, host of Latino usa. Venezuelans around the world are celebrating the takedown of former President Maduro, but inside the country there is fear and silence, and in the United States, people are concerned about Donald Trump's rogue tactics. Listen to Latino usa, the fall of Maduro and the rise of an unconstrained Trump. That's on your iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kat]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.