FEELING THINGS: Sentimental, Scared, and Down the Diddy Doc Rabbit Hole

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Bobby Bones Show – "FEELING THINGS: Sentimental, Scared, and Down the Diddy Doc Rabbit Hole"

Date: December 28, 2025
Hosts: Amy & Kat

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The Bobby Bones Show" (the "Feeling Things" segment with Amy and Kat) focuses on the importance of allowing oneself to experience emotions—especially during the holidays—and dives deep into conversation about the controversial Netflix documentary "Sean Combs: The Reckoning." The hosts reflect on feelings of sentimentality, fear, contentment, and confusion, weaving these into a discussion about celebrity scandals, the ethics of documentaries, and strategies for navigating holiday small talk.

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Key Topics & Segments

1. Opening Feelings: Sentimentality, Contentment, Fear, and Confusion

• [03:02] Amy introduces the episode by sharing she feels both "content and confused," specifically around holiday stress and chaos.
• [03:41] Kat shares that she’s feeling "sentimental and scared," relating the sentimentality to cherishing holiday moments and the fear to broader concerns sparked by watching the Netflix docuseries about Sean "Diddy" Combs.
• Notable quote:
  Amy: "I'm choosing to be content in each day and look for things that bring me peace... Instead of getting swept up in the hustle and bustle." [04:52]

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2. Holiday Stress & Emotional Management

• [04:18–05:42] Amy and Kat discuss how the constant busyness of the holidays can detract from their peace. They talk about intentionally choosing contentment and sentimentality as a way to anchor themselves.
  • Strategies: Shunning social media narratives that amplify overwhelm, focusing on meaningful traditions like a favorite movie or special cookies.
  • Amy: "I want to shun that from my algorithm. I just want to be in my own—I am content." [05:21]
• [05:55] Kat recommends returning to rituals and traditions as a way to ground oneself in the moment, not stress about gifts or appearances.

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3. Deep Dive: The Diddy Docuseries ("Sean Combs: The Reckoning")

• [06:35] Kat expresses fear after watching the documentary, feeling anxious about the apparent lack of consequences for Diddy's alleged behavior.
• [06:50] Amy shares confusion about how "he went this long without any consequences."
• [07:47] The co-founder of Bad Boy Records, Kirk Burrows, is highlighted as a central figure in the documentary, with admiration for his courage in speaking out.
  • Kat: "Why is he not scared of retaliation? ... Amy would never do this. She would take it to the grave." [08:10]
• [09:01] Discussion on the former assistant's testimony and the reactions of jurors, sparking questions about celebrity influence and justice in high-profile cases.
  • Amy: "This is the first time she's ever spoken out. When you want to talk about taking things to your grave, I think that's what she planned on doing..." [09:01]
• [10:21–11:32] Amy and Kat sift through trial loyalty, public reactions, and the reality of celebrity fandom during court proceedings.

Notable Moments

• Speculation on whether Diddy will watch the documentary in jail and fears about retaliation from prison.

• Amy: "I get the whole thing of fear, because, yes, retaliation is one of my biggest fears." [09:08]

• Discussion about the "East Coast vs. West Coast" feud, Diddy's role, and the evolution of hip-hop culture.

• Amy: "Tupac and Biggie got along just fine until Tupac showed up at Diddy Studios one day … ended up getting shot five times." [12:30]

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4. Celebrity Culture, Hypocrisy, and Objectivity

• [13:36] They debate whether 50 Cent, as producer of the documentary, has bias—wondering how to approach the content critically.
  • Kat: "Here's my problem … I hear that and I'm like, 50 Cent is such a good guy ... But it's also very biased. So how am I going to take in this documentary through an unbiased lens?" [18:00]
• [19:05] Questions arise about who’s telling their full story and who isn’t, underscoring complexity within celebrity narratives.
• Kat and Amy agree: While 50 Cent shouldn't be deified, Diddy's misdeeds are clear ("where there's smoke, there's fire").

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5. Hip-Hop History & Unpacking the Doc's Web

• [24:10] Tangents about related rappers (Nelly, Snoop Dogg, Kanye West) and their record labels to contextualize the broader scene.
• [26:32] "Is Suge Knight a good guy?" Kat admits her instinct to categorize as binary—good vs. bad—but Amy reminds listeners of the gray areas and gang affiliations.

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6. Attorneys, Ethics, and Legal Nuances

• [31:35–34:28] Thoughtful discussion about the role of attorneys in defending clients they know are guilty, legal ethics, and personal boundaries.
  • Amy: "If I'm an attorney, and I start representing someone and they tell me they're innocent ... and then along the way I find out they're guilty, I think I have to fire them as a client." [33:17]
  • Shannon (fact check): "Yes, an attorney can and must defend a guilty person because their ethical duty is to ensure that the state proves its case beyond a reasonable doubt." [33:57]

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7. Prison Life for Celebrities

• [37:01–39:41] The hosts humorously ponder Diddy's experience in prison, explain prison slang, and muse about whether inmates can see the documentary.
  • Amy: "I wonder if what his life is like in prison. If he's getting great treatment or if he's holding someone's pocket." [37:24]

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8. Holiday Small Talk: The "FORGE" Method

• [45:20–48:51] Amy introduces the FORGE method (Family, Occupation, Recreation, Geography, Experience) as a tool to help ease social anxieties and create meaningful conversations during holiday gatherings.
  • Amy: "It's just an acronym to keep in your back pocket ... when you're feeling stuck ... or desperate ... Forge it up!" [48:04]

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9. Awkward Gifts & Personal Stories

• [49:05–56:09] Amy shares a hilarious birthday story: her ex-husband organized a paint-by-numbers party—but the painting was of her, for her. Kat is incredulous, and both find humor in the awkwardness of receiving (and keeping) such a gift.
  • Kat: "I think you should prank somebody that has not been to your house yet and hang it up..." [52:34]
• [55:18] Kat shares her own "weird gift"—asking for an R. Kelly CD as a kid, not realizing the adult content.
  • Kat: "It was just a weird gift to get from my parents because also, they weren't strict, but they weren't ... buying me rap CDs." [56:09]
  • Amy connects this to the broader theme of celebrity scandal and the loss of innocence around childhood idols.

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10. Hip-Hop Appreciation—And Some Safe-for-Work Lyrics

• [57:18] Amy closes the show by rapping some Tupac lyrics ("Dear Mama"), reflecting on hip-hop’s relevance and impact.
  • Amy: "Tupac was lyrically pretty brilliant ... their music, if it came out today, would still sound like it fits right in." [58:43]

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• Celebrating Contentment:
  Amy: "I'm trying to be ... choosing to be content in each day and look for things that bring me peace." [04:52]

• On facing fear after the documentary:
  Kat: "I'm scared for others because I have been watching ‘The Reckoning.’" [06:35]

• Jury Confusion:
  Amy: "The whole thing has just left me perplexed ... why he got off on so much and he's not serving as much time." [09:01]

• Bias in Narratives:
  Kat: "But it's also very biased. So how am I going to take in this documentary through an unbiased lens?" [18:00]

• Attorney Ethics:
  Amy: "I think I have to fire them as a client." [33:17]
  Shannon (fact check): "Yes, an attorney can and must defend a guilty person because their ethical duty is to ensure that the state proves its case..." [33:57]

• Prison Slang Explained:
  Amy: "He holds the pocket. He's not in charge." [37:38]

• Holiday Conversation Method:
  Amy: "Forge—it up! ... It's just an acronym to keep in your back pocket." [48:04]

• On awkward gifts:
  Amy: "My friends were gonna paint me a painting of me." [49:51]
  Kat: "I think you should prank somebody ... and hang it up." [52:34]

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Useful Timestamps by Segment

• Opening feelings and holiday stress: [03:00–05:55]
• The Reckoning docuseries conversation: [06:35–21:22]
• Hip-hop history & label rivalries: [24:10–28:59]
• Attorneys & legal ethics: [31:35–34:28]
• Prison speculation & slang: [37:01–39:41]
• FORGE small talk method: [45:20–48:51]
• Awkward gifts stories: [49:05–56:27]
• Hip-hop appreciation & closing rap: [57:18–59:42]

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Takeaways & “Feeling Things” Wisdom

• Intentionality Can Anchor Holiday Chaos: Choosing contentment or sentiment over stress is practical, healthy, and within reach—especially as the holidays amplify pressures. Mindfully limit negative social narratives.
• Celebrity Documentaries Demand Critical Viewing: Even true stories can be slanted; always question the perspective and look for nuanced truth.
• Complexity in Scandal and Justice: Fame can skew both public support and justice, but personal ethics—whether you’re a lawyer, whistleblower, or bystander—matters.
• Connect, Don’t Stress—FORGE Small Talk: If social events are awkward, use Family, Occupation, Recreation, Geography, and Experience as conversational lifeboats.
• Laughter Heals: The weird gifts and awkward moments are sometimes the best stories—embrace them.

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Next Episode Preview

Amy teases a segment inspired by a Harvard professor: "What items in your house do you need to fire?"—encouraging listeners to reflect on belongings and start 2026 fresh and decluttered.

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END OF SUMMARY

For listeners: This episode is a conversational deep-dive into navigating feelings (especially when real life and pop culture get messy), being skeptical of media narratives, finding humor in awkwardness, and keeping human connections alive—even when the world feels upside down.

Transcript

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[Kat]

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[Amy]

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[Kat]

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[Amy]

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[Kat]

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[Amy]

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[Kat]

This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat.

[Amy]

Happy Thursday. Welcome to Feeling Things. I'm Amy and I'm Kat and I have two feelings of the day. It's content and confused. And I have more thoughts on my confused one. So we can save that if You've got any feelings?

[Kat]

Well, I have two feelings. Your feelings are an alliteration, and my feelings are also alliteration.

[Amy]

I love alliteration.

[Kat]

Alliteration.

[Amy]

I love the one alliteration.

[Kat]

It's the one, like. I don't know what you would call that thing. I remember learning in elementary school about writing. They're like, it impacts your writing, makes your writing better. When you have an alliteration, it just.

[Amy]

Also makes it more fun.

[Kat]

Yeah. So I am feeling sentimental and scared, which is kind of similar to you because you have, like, a. A kind one and a E1.

[Amy]

Yeah. That's its own category of feelings. Yeah. I mean, I have one where I think. I don't know if I'm willing. The contentment in. Or I actually really feel content. I really do. But I also want to maintain that through the end of the year because I think this is the time of year where things can get a little frazzled and out of control because of so much that happens during the holidays.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

Like, you've got Christmas, like, from Thanksgiving to New Year's, there's just a lot. And you're trying to tackle a lot on your list. Maybe you're hosting. You've got people over, you're trying to finalize gifts. You're stressed on what to get this final person. You have to wrap everything, you know, depending on where you are in the, like, what stage of Life. Because your 20s might be a little bit easier. If you're the youngest in the family, it's a little easier.

[Kat]

This is awesome.

[Amy]

If you're like. If you're the oldest and you played everything, all the moms, like, there's just a lot. So I am trying to be.

[Kat]

You're choosing.

[Amy]

Choosing to be content in each day and look for things that bring me peace and things that I. I have to be thankful for instead of getting, like, swept up in. And I. I think, too, the problem is so many people online want to talk about the hustle and the bustle and how overwhelming it is, which we're sort of talking about that right now, because that's just the truth. But when you think about it and you see it everywhere, then you take it on yourself.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So I want to leave that. Shun that from my algorithm. And I just want to be in my own. I am content. Like, I am content with some gifts that I got. There were some that I was stressing over. And then finally I just hit a point where I was like, no, this shouldn't be stressful. I think this is a good gift for this person, and that is okay. Like, I am ordering it and it shall be fine.

[Kat]

And if they don't like it, they'll return it and buy something they like.

[Amy]

Yes. They'll throw in a closet or they'll. They'll re gift it, which. Hey. The gift that keeps on giving. Yes. Okay, so why are you scared?

[Kat]

Okay, because I have a question for you. I don't know if I'm scared or I feel scared for people, but I do want to mention my sentimental is actually very close to what you're talking about, because I was feeling like the time's gonna rush past me and I'm not gonna enjoy the holiday because I'm stressing about gifts. So I chose to be sentimental. So I started like, I need to watch this Christmas movie and I need to make this Christmas cookie that I make every year, and I need to do so. I was feeling that was helping me stay in it versus worrying about those things. Anyway, we're shunning that I'm scared for others because I have been watching the Reckoning.

[Amy]

Oh, my gosh. That is why I'm confused. I did not know that's why you were scared. But my confusion is from the Reckoning. So I'm confused how did he went this long without any consequences because people.

[Kat]

Are scared of him?

[Amy]

Okay. Yeah, that's valid.

[Kat]

I'd like to hear a lot of your thoughts because I've only watched one and three fourths of an episode. How many are there?

[Amy]

There's four.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

I think there's four. And I've watched them all.

[Kat]

Okay, so you have more information. There is a man in this documentary who is fine being out there in this documentary. I will say, when I first started watching this, I turned it off because I said. And in my head, I'm like, I'm boycotting Netflix. I can't believe they would do this because it seems at first, because they have footage of Sean Combs, P. Diddy Puff that you would think would come from him. Like, it was like in his hotel room. Like, how would you get this content? I thought he was putting this documentary out to, like, clear his name at first. So I turned it off.

[Amy]

50 Cent is behind.

[Kat]

Yeah. Well, then I learned that I was like, okay, I can watch it now. The man that's in it, it was like one of the. It's one of the main guys. It's a documentary. If you haven't watched this yet.

[Amy]

So you're talking about the co founder of Bad Boy Records, Kirk Burrows.

[Kat]

Yes. Okay. Sean Combs. I'm gonna call him by his God given name.

[Amy]

Yeah, like, what are we calling him? Because I have thoughts, too. So we're just gonna. Let's just call him Sean.

[Kat]

Sean. We'll come. Sean. He doesn't deserve a nickname. Okay. He's still alive and he's not even gonna. He's in prison now. Right. But he's not gonna be in there.

[Amy]

For that long, unfortunately.

[Kat]

Unfortunately. So I guess I'm scared because what he has done to so many people, seemingly, it's all suspicion he could do to you, too. So he. This guy that used to be very close to him as right hand man is now giving all the dirty deets. Why is he not scared of retaliation? I was thinking about you the whole time I was watching. I was like, amy would never do this. She would take it to the grave because she'd be afraid of retaliation.

[Amy]

Well, I thought the same thing too. And maybe you just haven't gotten to this part of the show. And I don't want to spoil too much if people haven't watched it, but Sean has an assistant, a former assistant that also comes on and shares. And she was part of the trial and testified and everything. And she. This is the first time she's ever spoken out. Like, when you want to talk about taking things to your grave, I think that's what she planned on doing. She's like, this is just not what I do. Like, I don't. You know, because she was scared or.

[Kat]

Because she just wanted to mind her.

[Amy]

Probably just like the rules of the game, like this, you know, she was just, this is not the business I'm in. Like, I was there to do my job and I did my job. And then later she realized, like, oh, okay, I need to share my side of the story. And it was interesting because they also interviewed jurors in the show. And to see how the jurors were, like, it blew my mind how they were taking her testimony, because I was thinking, I believed everything she said. And it's like some people questioned it. Which also leads us to the confusion behind why he got off on so much and he's not serving as much time. So the whole thing has just left me perplexed. And I get the whole thing of fear because, yes, retaliation is one of my biggest fears. Yeah. Like, I would be very scared. And I. I have wondered. I wondered the same thing that you're wondering. Like, does he have access to this documentary? Can he watch it in jail? Will he watch it when he gets Out. Are his people going to tell him this is who was in the documentary. This is exactly what they said. This is what they accused you of. And then, yeah, now he's gonna retaliate. But I feel like at some point he has to be off of his throne. Yeah, whatever throne certain people have him on. Like, how will he have any power when he gets out? I don't know.

[Kat]

Well, who's on his side? Is there anybody on his side still? Like, who was supporting him through his trial?

[Amy]

I mean, yeah, people in his family. Ish. I don't know exactly which family members, but, yes, there are people and a lot of fans. They were out at the trial with, like, signs. I remember seeing it when the trial was going on. Like, people outside with, like, a freak doesn't make you guilty, you know, because he's like, a. Sexually. A freak.

[Kat]

Yeah. Okay. So I'm gonna ask this. You can use their discretion. How much information you want to give me? Where any of the jurors, like, I wish I would have.

[Amy]

I didn't get that vibe. Okay. No.

[Kat]

Oh, so they were like, yeah, he's not guilty.

[Amy]

No, they weren't like that either. Okay. One girl that they talked to, she's like. Went in. She was like, oh, my gosh. I was a huge fan growing up. Another guy that was being read, like, I knew nothing about this guy.

[Kat]

Wait on the jury, if you're his.

[Amy]

I'm not saying. Sorry, let me rephrase. I'm not saying she was like, I was a big fan, but it's like, well, Cat's saying that she was, but I don't think. I don't know how they could weed through people that didn't listen that music. I think she clarified by saying, I listened to music that he was a part of. But she was like, I wasn't a fan of his music personally.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

Like, she wasn't like. Because he was a. An individual artist as well. But I think she was more so a fan of the artists under his label, which I think there is a difference because, like, I listened to Biggie and I liked when he was on Mace's album, like, in high school. That's one of the albums I remember listening to. And then I love Tupac, but different record label. But I learned through this documentary, like, I missed. Because so much of the feud was happening all these years. Or that's kind of like East Coast, West Coast. Like, I even have a. A shirt that has Tupac on one side and Biggie on the other, and it says East Coast, West Coast. And where did you get that? I don't know. I think I ordered it online because I. My friend maybe bought it for me and she thought of me because I liked both of them.

[Kat]

You were smoking cigs and wearing your east coast, west coast shirts.

[Amy]

Yes, I was a big fan of both.

[Kat]

And did you understand the feud back then? Did anybody on the outside?

[Amy]

I think a little bit. We knew. I don't think I knew Diddy's involvement in the feud. And I forgot until I watched the documentary that they were all cordial and friends. Like, they would hang out. Tupac and Biggie got along just fine until Tupac showed up at Diddy Studios one day to record a song with one of Diddy's artists and ended up getting shot five times.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And then lived and lived. And then two years later, he ends up dead.

[Kat]

So is this why. You might not know this either, but. So 50 Cent made this documentary.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

Is this why he.

[Amy]

I had to research this.

[Kat]

You know what I'm going to say?

[Amy]

Is this why he doesn't like Diddy?

[Kat]

Oh, no. I was going to say, is this why he always wore a vest? Wasn't that his thing?

[Amy]

Well, 50 Cent got shot like 50 times or nine.

[Kat]

He was 50 and he left.

[Amy]

He got shot. So I think. Think he had his own experience with getting shot.

[Kat]

Who shot him?

[Amy]

I don't remember.

[Kat]

Is it because it was a Diddy?

[Amy]

No.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

No, sorry.

[Kat]

I don't mean to spread rumors.

[Amy]

I. Now some people might be like, what the heck? I don't care about any of this. But if you watch a documentary, you will be fascinated because Diddy is Sean. Oh, sorry. Sean has such a massive stamp on rap and even pop culture.

[Kat]

From Danity Kane.

[Amy]

Hello. Yes.

[Kat]

Did they get to that? They talk about that?

[Amy]

Yeah. Well, Aubrey o'.

[Kat]

Day.

[Amy]

Was she in a documentary?

[Kat]

I loved making the band.

[Amy]

So did I. I remember when Danity Kane came to 96.7 Kiss FM in Austin because, you know, I used to work in pop. So they came up to the station and did a meet and greet with our listeners in our radio listening lounge. And my college roommate, like, called me at the time. She was like, is Danity Kane coming up to the station? I was like, yeah. She's like, I have to come. And so I got her in. And then we have our picture with Danity Kane. And that was cool. It was a big deal. Then JLo obviously dating her. Then all of you know his music.

[Kat]

Like George JLO said anything about.

[Amy]

Not that I know of.

[Kat]

Okay. Because she probably has some trauma. Yeah.

[Amy]

I'm like, how did she date him?

[Kat]

But we don't know the insides of.

[Amy]

Her life, so I don't.

[Kat]

She talks about being from the Bronx a lot, so maybe she like. I don't know, she talks about being tough.

[Amy]

She's Jenny from the block. Yeah. I don't know. I. I thought that during the documentary, like, how is JLO even? I just have her in a different category and I don't know her, so I don't know why I have her in that category. But I'm like, how was she attracted to him? And it was he do. Maybe he had different sides of himself that would show up for different people, even sexually.

[Kat]

They fully were in a relationship.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

For years.

[Amy]

Sure. But you can still have different versions of you.

[Kat]

Right.

[Amy]

I'm not just talking from experience, but I would think a person like him can be a chameleon and show up for like how he was with Cassie, how he was with Kim Porter, how he, you know, like Cassie.

[Kat]

I also loved her. And do you know where I first found her discovered in the club? No, I was too young to be a club.

[Amy]

That's where did he first heard her music.

[Kat]

Oh, really? Yeah. I first discovered her because she was a model for the Delia's catalog. Did you ever shop at Delia's? I bet you know Delia's was my favorite place to shop and she was their main model. And then all of a sudden she was singing me and you.

[Amy]

I've just been waiting so long. Yeah. Anyway, so I did a little research of my own because I didn't know what $0.50 deal was with this whole thing. So $0.50 says he made the Netflix doc Sean Combs the Reckoning to give victims a voice and to call out abuse in the hip hop industry. He says his feud with Diddy just made him less afraid to do it. But Cassie's lawsuit and the serious allegations were the real push. He felt no one else would speak up, so he used his platform to expose behavior he believes the industry shouldn't ignore. And his issues with Diddy go back years. Years starting with him accusing Diddy of being tied to Biggie's death in 2000 in a 2006 diss track. From there, it turned into business tension, creative clashes, and 50 Cent saying that Diddy treated artists unfairly, which he did.

[Kat]

Was he ever on 50 Cent? Ever on what record label is he on?

[Amy]

Not Bad Boy, I don't.

[Kat]

And can I have another question? How old is 50 cent? Are they the same age. Because to me, 50 cents a lot younger than Sean, really, in my head, because I remember 50 Cent was really cool when I was in high school. And I feel like Sean was when I was, like, in middle school, which is.

[Amy]

I guess they popped off. Cuz I feel like I picture them being the same. I remember, like, Diddy stuff. And then Lunchbox on the show when we worked in Pop, he flew to Vegas and got to hang out with 50 Cent. And he. He went in with, like, all these chains. Yeah. He, like, tried to act all, like, hardcore. Like this skinny white boy walking in. He was like, yo.

[Kat]

Yeah, so, okay, so same age.

[Amy]

Anyway, 50 Cent said that Diddy's behavior made him uncomfortable. And all of that eventually fed into 50 cent producing the documentary. And he just has not liked him for a long time.

[Kat]

So here's the problem that I'm having right now.

[Amy]

So he must not be scared of retaliation.

[Kat]

I don't think 50 Cent's scared of anybody. Probably rightfully so. Here's my problem I'm having right now, which I need to, like, center this because I hear that and I'm like, 50 Cent is such a good guy. He must be such a good guy. Like, good for him. But I'm not doing any critical thinking there. Like, I'm sure that. Well, I shouldn't say that either. Like, I don't know, like. But because he'd made this to then give victims a voice, which is, I think, all great. Like, I'm glad that he made this documentary, but it's also very biased. So how am I going to take in this documentary? Through an unbiased lens that makes sense. Like, all the people in that documentary obviously hate Sean Combs.

[Amy]

Yeah. I think this is one of those things where there's smoke, there's fire.

[Kat]

I do think he's a bad guy. Yeah. I guess I'm thinking, like, when only one side is telling their story, it's like, well, the other side, the side that's telling their story probably did some messed up things too. Does that make sense? I'm just saying I feel like Now I'm like, 50 Cent is a saint. And like, okay, I should not go that far.

[Amy]

Yeah. I don't think we need to put it because we have no idea. But I think of. You brought up the Kurt guy, the co founder of Bad Boy Records. I think of things that Sean asked him to do, and he is now telling us his version, which is. That is wrong. I'm not going to do that. Which led to him getting fired. Now, are there things over the years we have no idea what Kirk did? I don't know. I mean, he was in partnership with this guy. Like who knows what we're getting.

[Kat]

Little bit.

[Amy]

Little bit of the story that doesn't.

[Kat]

And there was a puppet master and they are all like his.

[Amy]

Yeah. I mean, I just don't. I think, yes, we're hearing those sides, but who knows how innocent certain people are in all of this.

[Kat]

But we can agree that this person was bad and this over here is like not.

[Amy]

Yeah, like who knows what sort of things 50 Cent has done? I don't know because people haven't come up with that documentary yet.

[Kat]

Here's a question. Nelly what about him?

[Amy]

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[Kat]

Nelly. What about him?

[Amy]

What about Nelly?

[Kat]

So I guess I think of like, Nelly seems like he's married to Ashanti now, right? Didn't they just have a baby?

[Amy]

Yeah, but I think he's from Atlanta.

[Kat]

Okay, that was my question. It's like these are St. Louis. Are they like on different record labels? So like they're not in this drama. But because I think of Nelly around the same time I think of 50 Cent.

[Amy]

Okay, so here's the easy way to do this. Okay. Like, that would be like, we live in Nashville, so we have all of these country artists, right? There's all multiple labels here that people are a part of. So, like, there's not just, like. Just because there's a country artist feud maybe doesn't mean that, like, every okay. Artist is making me feel stupid.

[Kat]

I just. I'm like, where was Nelly in all of this drama? You're like, he was in Atlanta.

[Amy]

I mean, because they go over all the artists that were on. There wasn't that many East Coast, West Coast. So, like, Snoop Dogg was with Tup, Dr. Dre, and then. I don't even remember all the ones on. Yeah, Sean's.

[Kat]

But Snoop Dogg doesn't make an appearance, does he?

[Amy]

So Death Row. No, Snoop Dogg is not in the documentary. But, I mean, he is by his proxy because he was part of the Death Row records. And then the name. Yeah, Death Row and then Bad Boy. Yeah, you are a bad boy. Is that, like, foreshadowing.

[Kat]

One of those bad boy. Like, it's cool to be bad, you know, that. That makes me think of. I don't know if it was a Vine or, like, a real or whatever of that little kid that's like, I like to do bad things with my friends. It's cool to do bad things. You know what I'm talking about? Anybody know what I'm talking about? The little kid that's like, I like to do. It's cool to do bad things. He took his grandma's car out and drove it around the neighborhood. He was like, six.

[Amy]

Oh, well, that part I think I remember.

[Kat]

And he goes, it's cool to do bad things. I like to do bad things with my.

[Amy]

That is bad. I mean, it definitely took me on a journey. Like, I was googling stuff, like, trying to figure out, like, oh, okay, the order of events. Like, Tupac got shot. He survived. Then he gets shot again in Vegas. Where's Suge Knight?

[Kat]

Speaking of, Never heard of that man before. Did you know who that was before?

[Amy]

Yes.

[Kat]

Oh, you did?

[Amy]

Yeah. Well, I've heard of him.

[Kat]

I had never heard of him because he was not. He never had music. He was just the man in charge.

[Amy]

Record label, I think, CEO or president or whatever.

[Kat]

This is kind of what I was saying with, like, the 50 Cent thing. This might be a better example. I watched that documentary, and in my head, Suge Knight is such a good guy. Now, hear me when I've said I've watched one and a half of them. But I'M like, oh, he's the good guy. Because it feels so binary to me of, like, these are the good guys and these are the bad guys. But it sounds like there was lots of not great things going on. We're just getting one part of the not great things.

[Amy]

Yeah. Because there was gang affiliations with all of these people. So I don't know that I classify anybody that can call up a Blood or a Crip as, like, a good guy.

[Kat]

Although, like, Snoop Dogg's. Really?

[Amy]

I. Yeah.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I mean, yeah. I mean, he. He. He has a cookbook.

[Kat]

Yeah. But Martha Stewart also is questionable.

[Amy]

Well, she went to jail.

[Kat]

Yeah. And her doc. You watched that, right? Yes, her documentary. I was like, how did you approve that to get. Well, maybe she didn't. That did not paint her in a good light whatsoever.

[Amy]

Okay, So I just Googled, generically. Is Suge Knight a good guy or.

[Kat]

Is he a bad boy?

[Amy]

So it says allegations mounted that night beyond employing gang members, often used intimidation and violence in his business dealings from the late 1990s to early 2000s. Knight spent a few years incarcerated for assault convictions and associated violations of probation and parole. So, I don't know, like, compared to maybe things Diddy was doing. Sure. Is there a scale? Yeah, like, from.

[Kat]

It's a spectrum.

[Amy]

Right.

[Kat]

So Shug's here. Sean's down over here.

[Amy]

For what we know. For what we know. Like, this is stuff that we know.

[Kat]

That's what we know.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

Also, anybody listening? I have no idea what I'm talking about.

[Amy]

That is clear.

[Kat]

Because you're like, wait a second, where's Nelly?

[Amy]

There's. There's other rappers.

[Kat]

We're leaving people out.

[Amy]

So JLO and Sean were together roughly two years, on and off. Again, that is so not so. And Diddy is five years older than 50 Cent, by the way, since you were asking his age. And then Nelly was primarily signed to Universal Records.

[Kat]

It sounds more wholesome.

[Amy]

And that's more universal. Yeah. Just kidding.

[Kat]

So his son. Do you know. Is his son in this documentary or is his son, like, pro. Him?

[Amy]

Sean.

[Kat]

Sean's son.

[Amy]

Okay, so there are other. Like, he's in the hotel room when he's. This is like, six days before his arrest. And it's the footage that's him leading up to his arrest. You know, the footage that. I don't know how they got that, by the way. The footage you were confused about.

[Kat]

Oh, yes. When they're in the hotel room, he's talking to his lawyer.

[Amy]

Yeah. Or he's talking to everybody. Like, he'll be on the phone. Like, he'll. He. He said. He keeps saying over and over, he's like, God told me to do nothing, so y' all need to do it. Like, y' all gotta figure out how we're gonna solve this, because God has told me to do nothing. And I'm like, why does he keep saying that?

[Kat]

God is telling you to do. To stop doing bad things, Right? Is that, like the talk about manipulative.

[Amy]

Avoiding and victim mode? Like, I. Like, I can't do. This is not my problem.

[Kat]

This is.

[Amy]

Now y' all have to figure it out, because God told me to just do nothing. And he's on the phone and he keeps saying that. And anyway, there's people in his hotel room, and their last name was Combs. I think it was, like, Justin or. So who is that?

[Kat]

Is that his son?

[Amy]

Okay, it's is his son because. Yeah, I tried to Google the children, and then I couldn't remember the name from the documentary. And then the. All the children that he has because there's lots.

[Kat]

And where I am, he only has one son.

[Amy]

Okay, well, he has lots, like, I don't know, six or seven kids and from maybe four different baby mamas. And my level of I really care about this died, like, in the middle of my Googling. Like, I was like, what am I doing? Should I go back to the documentary and figure out what name was on the screen and who was in the hotel room and cross reference it with all the children? And then I just really didn't care. But I didn't know if it was, like, a cousin or some other sibling with the same last name. But he did have people. He has people, you know, hanging out with him. And then he was arrested.

[Kat]

Did he invite his son to the. I don't even want to say it. The parties?

[Amy]

Well, I remember when he was first being accused of a lot of this, and he was FaceTiming his family, like, saying, we're gonna figure this out. And they were publicizing this stuff on social media because to look, they thought it would be a good look of like, yeah, get on FaceTime with your family and tell them it's all going to be all right. I'm paraphrasing, but it was like, you know, we're going to get this worked out. Which I'm sure he really. And he sort of did in a way. Like, it's not as bad as it should have been on him.

[Kat]

Right. I have one last important question, and.

[Amy]

I don't know if I have the Answer you probably.

[Kat]

Well, no, this is more personal. This isn't really a question. This is just a thought. Who was his attorney and how do you agree to be his attorney?

[Amy]

Okay, so because he has so much money, I'm pretty sure he hired like eight powerful attorneys. I guess, like, yes, there are eight dirty attorneys. Yes. Like you can find people as long. I would say yes. Like we have certain levels of integrity. Maybe they were presented with facts where they felt like he's being treated unfairly and we want to prove that. Maybe they really feel like he didn't do xyz. Even though there's.

[Kat]

If you're. This isn't a. You might not know the answer to this. But I, I do want to raise this question. If you're an attorney, do you have to believe your client or can you know that your client did something bad and still cover it up for them?

[Amy]

I don't know. Like if, if, like there's attorney client privileges, right?

[Kat]

So like let's say I murdered somebody and I hired you as my attorney. When I hired you, I said I didn't do it, but then I hired you and I was like, just so you know, I did it. Can you still defend me or is that against the law because you know I did it and you have an admission?

[Amy]

I don't know.

[Kat]

Okay, that's crazy, right? Because like, I guess that we need.

[Amy]

To get a lawyer on the line.

[Kat]

Seriously, if you're a lawyer, let us know what you. I guess I could google this, but that is the same kind of. This is. He didn't. Well, I guess he may have murdered people. But the same thing. If you have all this evidence that points that your client was guilty, how do you say you still have to defend them?

[Amy]

So everybody has the right to an attorney. I see that on TV when people are getting arrested. Oh, like you have a right to the attorney in the court of law.

[Kat]

Thank you for that.

[Amy]

And so that's why you can get a court appointed attorney to represent you. And so someone may have to represent the guilty person. Like, there's always going to be a person up there that has to do their job. However, I'm thinking if I'm an attorney and I start representing someone and they tell me they're innocent and I truly believe them, and then along the way I find out they're guilty, I think I have to fire them as a client.

[Kat]

Right. That's my point. But like you, I guess that's integrity.

[Amy]

Okay, I have updates from Shannon on this. Yes, an attorney can and must defend a guilty person because their ethical duty is to ensure that the state proves its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Kat]

Oh, so there. Okay.

[Amy]

Uphold the client's constitutional rights and ensure a fair trial, regardless of the lawyer's personal belief in the client's guilt. The lawyer's role isn't to judge factual guilt, but to challenge the prosecution's evidence, check police procedures, and secure the best legal outcome, whether that's dismissal, reduced charges, or a fair sentence. Okay, this is why I was not going to be a lawyer just now.

[Kat]

We know.

[Amy]

I mean, I probably wouldn't have passed the bar, but this is also why.

[Kat]

That makes it a little bit different that, like, if I am Sean's attorney, I'm not trying to prove his innocence. I'm just trying to make sure that the state is doing their fair job of proving that this happened. I still wouldn't do it, just so everybody knows.

[Amy]

However, the vibe I got from his attorneys that were backing him is they were doing whatever they could do to get him the lightest sentence possible, and they were proud of their work. Like, they didn't seem like. Like, oh, we don't want to be here. No, he retained them. You know, it's not like he didn't get a court appointed.

[Kat]

They got job security after that. Don't you think? With him for life, for any. Yes. Because I, for sure, I didn't pay a lot of attention to this because I was like, for sure he's going to jail forever. Surely he is. And then he didn't. So I feel like if I'm in a pickle and I have the money and I did something similar, I'm calling those eight attorneys because if they can do it for him, they could do it for me, you know?

[Amy]

Yeah. And to clarify, his children, he has seven from four different. Just. I'm giving you the exact.

[Kat]

I wonder how the children are.

[Amy]

Seven children, four different mothers. One of the babies I know was born in, like, 2022. So, like, recent. Ish. I didn't plan on talking about this for this long, so sorry if nobody cares about it, but I think it's interesting. And you should watch the documentary if you haven't yet. I mean, talk about conversation starters, holiday party. Like, if you're at Christmas party or New Year's parties, like, watch this. And then, like, pull the room.

[Kat]

If you're literally at Christmas dinner and one of your uncles, like, starts bringing up politics and you're like, well, actually, I have something better to talk about.

[Amy]

Let's.

[Kat]

Do you think that Sean Combs got a fair sentence. Also maybe testy to talk about at dinner, because what if somebody says yes?

[Amy]

Okay, yeah, check his, like.

[Kat]

Well, have you watched the Reckoning?

[Amy]

Like, check his history. Like, anybody that is thinking that. That, I don't know, like, we need to hide your husbands. How'd you wife hide your kids from that person?

[Kat]

Okay, last thing, and then I'll drop it. Okay? I promise. He got 50 months. What is that, four years?

[Amy]

12. In one year. 12 times. Who's 24? 36, 48. For, like, four years and some change. Okay, so by change, I mean two months.

[Kat]

He's already been in jail for a while. Prison. He's getting out soon. What's his soon?

[Amy]

He's not getting out soon.

[Kat]

Well, four years is not that long.

[Amy]

I hope that somebody does something real bad to him in jail.

[Kat]

Not like, you better be careful what you say.

[Amy]

He's not. He's not gonna hear me say that.

[Kat]

We are going viral on tick tock and Instagram reels.

[Amy]

Okay?

[Kat]

So. Well, be careful.

[Amy]

Don't put this part up there.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

And I don't think any of our listeners are gonna sell me out, but, you know, like, I wonder if what he's. What his life is like in prison, if he's getting great treatment or if he's holding someone's pocket. You know what I'm saying?

[Kat]

Holding somebody's pocket?

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Do I have to look that up?

[Amy]

Sure.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

I think it's a way of, like, you know, you're somebody's boy.

[Kat]

Oh, so if he's the boy.

[Amy]

Yeah, he holds the pocket. He's not in charge.

[Kat]

Okay. Okay. Got it.

[Amy]

Right.

[Kat]

Like, you're cool. You know, lingo.

[Amy]

I think I remember that. No, I remember that Biggie song from Prison Break.

[Kat]

Oh, I didn't watch that.

[Amy]

You didn't watch Prison Break with Wentworth Miller?

[Kat]

No.

[Amy]

Where he tattooed his escape plan on his body?

[Kat]

No, that's crazy. But I did watch Orange is the New Black.

[Amy]

Oh, very different.

[Kat]

Yeah. Okay, so do we think he's gonna go into hiding is my question. He has. He cannot live in the United States. There's no life for him here.

[Amy]

Who knows? Who knows? I don't know what he thinks. He thinks he's like. He compares himself to the son of God. I believe in the documentary, and I'm paraphrasing, he said something along those lines of, like. What else do we compare me to?

[Kat]

Like, stop. No, he sounds like a version of Kanye West. What of record label was Kanye west on? He wasn't in any of this, I.

[Amy]

Think he was a Diddy supporter.

[Kat]

That tracks.

[Amy]

Yeah. So in prison slang, holding someone's pocket means controlling, influencing, or protecting a weaker inmate.

[Kat]

Oh, I was thinking it was something.

[Amy]

Dirty, like a little bee or a punk. Well, I think dirty things happen to the little bee. He provides favors or services in exchange for safety. Got it. And status services. You know, certain acts also potentially being a way for guards to manage inmates or a tactic to keep someone indebted and under control. But unfortunately, he's such a master manipulator. Like, who knows?

[Kat]

And do the people in prison have access to understand what I'm sure? Yes, they do.

[Amy]

Yeah. Like, people.

[Kat]

I'm just thinking, like, they can't watch the documentary, so they can't, like, know the truth. But, like, I think they talk to people. I'm gonna stop talking now.

[Amy]

I wish we could know. I wish we could talk. Somebody, like, volunteer in the prison. Where is he serving? Because, like, we need to know. Like, do y' all have access to Netflix? Has he seen the Reckoning?

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Is he coming up with a plan to retaliate in 50 Cent?

[Kat]

Imagine you're in prison, and in walks Sean Combs. Okay, so rumor is per cryo cat that 50 cents put this on ABC. Amy's not buying this.

[Amy]

Well, I don't know. I'm not saying I'm not buying it.

[Kat]

Because they can only watch ABC in prison. I wonder why they can only watch.

[Amy]

But I feel like, who know? I don't know, maybe they have some deal. But I feel like people.

[Kat]

ABC has a deal with the prison.

[Amy]

Yeah, I feel like they acquired the prison have computers. They keister in phones.

[Kat]

Keister.

[Amy]

They, you know, or, you know, they have relationships with guards and they get. I'm sure they can stream. I'm sure they're streaming some Christmas movies up in there.

[Kat]

Holiday harmony.

[Amy]

Kanye west was not signed to a major record label as recording arts artists during the period of the Tupac Biggie stuff. During that era, Kanye was primarily working as an aspiring producer for local artists in Chicago. But I do know at one of the award shows, Sean was receiving a lifetime achievement award at some point. And Kanye was one of the people that was announced him to come on stage, giving him props. But I think he had his face covered with, like, a T shirt, you know, Speaking. Yes. Because he was all weird. Like, he's speaking through, like, a shirt. Like, all you could see was, like, a nose and a mouth moving.

[Kat]

What in the world? Yeah, watch. Don't even get me started on the Kardashians because I've been watching that too and I have thoughts but I think we've done too much with I I have to stop talking.

[Amy]

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[Amy]

And this is just a technique you can keep in your back pocket. I've seen multiple people talk about it. It's probably because it's that time of year. But I googled it and I couldn't find exactly where it originated from cuz so many different people spoke about it. But it's called the Forge method. Forge Forge F O R G Forge which Shannon maybe you can find if it you know I want to credit the right people, but I just feel like it was like a thing that has been floating out there. It's an acronym to keep conversations flowing by focusing on safe universal topics. So if you don't want to get into politics or Sean Combs, you can start with F which is the beginning of Forge. So what you do, Kat, is like, you're like okay, I'm talking to this new person. I'm horrible at small talk. What Do I do. Oh, yeah, Forge. F is for family. I'm gonna ask them. So do you have family here? How many siblings do you have? Like, any family specific type questions? Okay, that can be your go to you. So what's a crazy family tradition that you guys have? So that's F. O. What do you think O stands for?

[Kat]

Have you been outside lately?

[Amy]

It's a good question. Occupation. So then you could ask questions like, you know, like, obviously, what do you do for a living? Or what's your dream job? Like, or if you could do anything in the world, or if money didn't matter, what would you do?

[Kat]

I love this question.

[Amy]

Yeah, volunteer work. Stuff that falls under occupation.

[Kat]

I know that. Are.

[Amy]

What is it?

[Kat]

Is it recreation? It is. What do you like to do for fun? Yes.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

Kind of gave it away.

[Amy]

Yeah, you're catching on. Ask things like, what do you like to do for fun? Got any hobbies that you're really into? And this part of the conversation is crucial because it's all about what makes them tick when they're off the clock. Because, like, family stuff might be a little sensitive at times. Who wants to talk about work? Recreation can be a fun one. Yeah, because you're like. Yeah, exploring other sides of them.

[Kat]

Have you gone on any cool vacations this year? Like, what's the best vacation? What's the coolest place?

[Amy]

That's not under R. Oh, okay. That's under G. Forge G is geography.

[Kat]

Oh, we've not gotten there.

[Amy]

Ask things like, have you traveled anywhere interesting lately? Or is there a place you'd like to visit someday?

[Kat]

Okay, so don't ask that unless you're in the G category.

[Amy]

Well, this is so.

[Kat]

I'm just kidding.

[Amy]

Well, to be clear, just so people know how to use it, it's just an acronym to keep in your back pocket. Like, you don't have to go in any particular order, but it's just something to pull from when you're sitting there talking to someone and you're feeling stuck or desperate or like, ugh, how do I get through this? Or I'm so awkward. Then just forge it up.

[Kat]

Forge it up. Wait, is there an E on the end of forge?

[Amy]

There is.

[Kat]

Can I guess what it is?

[Amy]

Sure.

[Kat]

I have two guesses. Entertainment or extracurricular activities?

[Amy]

It's under experience. You can ask things like, what's a cool experience you've had? Or have you learned anything important lately or life changing? There's like, any experiences they might have done Any experiential therapy?

[Kat]

Why, yes, I have I like that because I. Yeah. I hate small talk. And that gives you, like, a quick reminder of there's easy things you can just ask about. Generally, when you ask people questions, they want to give you, they want to talk about that kind of stuff.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Fun things.

[Amy]

This just gives you a guide.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Like where to go with the small talk. Because it can be hard when you.

[Kat]

Think about Christmas and gift giving. Is there a gift that sticks out that was, like, a really weird gift that you got ever. And if you don't want to say because you don't want to hurt somebody's feelings, that's fine. But have you ever gotten, like a.

[Amy]

I mean, it was for my birthday, but it wasn't for Christmas.

[Kat]

Oh, that's okay.

[Amy]

Oh, fits the category.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Well, the time. I think I've told you this before, and I have the picture of my attic, so I'll have to show you one day. But the time that my husband, when I was turning 30. So is my ex husband now. But it was my 30th birthday, and he gathered all my friends at a local art gallery. We lived in downtown Southern Pines, North Carolina. There was this cute little art gallery, and he had champagne there and cake and all my friends. And then a canvas that was stenciled by an artist that worked at the gallery. And I was like, oh, we're gonna do, like, a paint by numbers. But not me. My friends, we're gonna paint it. My friends were gonna paint me a painting of me.

[Kat]

I wish we had that painting down here.

[Amy]

I know you still have it. It has Andy Warhol vibes.

[Kat]

Oh, like the colors.

[Amy]

Yeah. Like, it's supposed to wait when. And then all my friends signed the back, but I was like, ben? And he said, look, look, look. This. Just so you know, this wasn't my idea. Like, I wanted to do this, and I thought we would just do a painting of something, like scenery, a tree, maybe our dog.

[Kat]

That would have been cute.

[Amy]

And the person that worked at the gallery was like, oh, my gosh. What if we do her? Like, I would love to have a picture of me. And I think this person, like, literally had a picture of themselves hanging in their house, which some people do have portraits like that. That is great. This is not me. In fact, I mean, Shannon should just go, maybe Shannon, do you. It's in the attic.

[Kat]

You'll see it.

[Amy]

You'll see it. Look to the left, like, right after out of Stashira's closet. Look to the left. It's bright colors. It's.

[Kat]

You can't miss it.

[Amy]

You can't miss it. It's me.

[Kat]

Did you act like you were excited?

[Amy]

I mean, what else was I supposed to act like? I don't know that I. I think I acted just normal. I did not express my.

[Kat]

Were your friends disappointment so cool.

[Amy]

They probably thought it was weird too. Like I would be like, oh, we're painting you. I mean, I don't know. They were really sweet. That was an awkward go home. And then he. And then he. He sort of was sad that I didn't hang it up.

[Kat]

Where was it gonna go?

[Amy]

I do not know, because it did not go in our house. But like, it also didn't turn out exactly like what I think he thought either. Like, nobody. I don't even know if we finished it. Okay, don't show her.

[Kat]

Don't show it.

[Amy]

Here, read it to me. I'll show it.

[Kat]

It's.

[Kalpin]

To you.

[Kat]

Hold it down.

[Amy]

Put it down.

[Kat]

Oh my God.

[Amy]

And then look like all my friends signed at the back.

[Kat]

Wait. That is so scary. I love it.

[Amy]

Look at my teeth.

[Kat]

Why is your hair like leopard?

[Amy]

Cuz it was like I told you, like Andy, I think that's the vibe.

[Kat]

Did the teacher say like, hey, you go put this color here. Cuz they did some nice shades.

[Amy]

So it was like sketched with like there was pencil and then I guess then there was paint laying out and everybody got to fill it in.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

I don't know if there was paint by numbers. I don't remember if it was like, you know, 3, 4, 5. And then the paint was labeled and then everybody did it. I don't know.

[Kat]

This is not what I thought you were going to say when I asked this question. And also, I'm just imagining. I think you should prank somebody that has not been to your house yet and hang it up. Because if I would have come to your house for the first time and I saw that, I'd be like, I would. First of all, I would probably compliment it because that would feel so awkward. Like, oh my gosh, I love that painting. Did you commission it? Like, I need somebody to see this.

[Amy]

Technically it was commissioned.

[Kat]

Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, he paid.

[Amy]

Her to host this party for us. And then my friends paint by numbered it. So the whole experience was my gift. Which the experience was fun in itself. But this is what I walked away with.

[Kat]

And you'll never forget. Okay, I. We have to invite some. Well, you have to invite somebody over or just like put it up. Does Alex know about this?

[Amy]

I don't think so.

[Kat]

Just Hanging up one day, and Alex comes over and be like, oh, gosh, I found this painting. I think it looks so cute right here. And see what he says? That's how you know if he's gonna be honest with you or not.

[Amy]

He's gonna know I'm not serious. This. There's nothing about this that screams you. My, like, aesthetic anywhere. I can't think of anywhere in my house that that would go. But maybe the game room.

[Kat]

But you.

[Amy]

Maybe.

[Kat]

I.

[Amy]

That's where it's been for. Gosh. That was 14 years ago. And.

[Kat]

And.

[Amy]

And honestly, I felt so bad because Ben was like, you don't like the picture? Because no.

[Kat]

First of all, I'd be offended.

[Kalpin]

He.

[Amy]

He. He took it personally, I think. You know, I think he was in it, like, emotionally he was in it because he had planned this whole thing, and then it sort of went.

[Kat]

It was a really sweet idea.

[Amy]

Very sweet idea. I just wish we would have done My Dog because, like, how cute. If we did Josie, my cute little rottweiler, and walked away with, like.

[Kat]

Yeah, but you still wouldn't probably hang that up.

[Amy]

It's still a brilliant idea. In fact, if anybody wants to take that idea and take it as your own for someone that you love, like, I think it's great. Just don't do the person, because then that makes it awkward because people are there celebrating you, painting you, and then this is what we end up with. Like, the whole thing is just weird. But I think Ben was so emotionally involved in, like, the whole set. Like, he almost took that. I didn't like the painting is that I didn't like the whole event.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And this caused issues.

[Kat]

Well, okay, I was gonna say the.

[Amy]

Fact that it was in the attic.

[Kat]

For years, like, where was it in your last house?

[Amy]

Attic. It's flipped in the attic.

[Kat]

But I do love that you moved with it. You didn't throw it. Yeah.

[Amy]

I've held on to it because, I.

[Kat]

Mean, it's a memory. You can't get rid of that ever. Because what if somebody asked you this question again?

[Amy]

Right? I mean. Yeah.

[Kat]

Oh, man.

[Amy]

So have you gotten a gift that you hate?

[Kat]

It's not that I. I hated it. I got a weird gift. It is gonna be nothing compared to this story, so just bear in mind I wasn't expecting this. I just was thinking about it with all of the, you know, Diddy stuff. One year for Christmas, I asked my parents for the R. Kelly cd because I believe I can fly I believe I can touch. I love that song. It was my Childhood song that I thought I actually could sing. Well, favorite song. So I asked for the R. Kelly cd and my parents bought it for me. I don't know why, because one of the songs. I was probably 11, mind you, I don't even think I Believe I Could Fly was on the cd. But what was on the CD was the Greatest Sex.

[Amy]

Well, maybe they didn't look at the titles of the songs.

[Kat]

Sure. But, like, maybe. I think I would have.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Like, they did. They didn't flip the CD over. So it just was, like, a weird gift to get from my parents because also, they weren't strict, but they weren't, like. They weren't, like, buying me rap CDs, so it was just a weird gift to get.

[Amy]

Anytime I think of that song, I think of my ninth grade typing class, because I had to take. Did you have to take a typing class in high school where you just sit there and you'd go, a, A, A, A, B, B, B, B, C. I mean, you just sit there and, like, learn how to type the thing.

[Kat]

Over the thing so you couldn't see the keys?

[Amy]

I don't know. I just remember sitting in typing class and my friends and I, that song was talking at the time, and we would sing. I Believe I can type. Press the keys and type away. And we would type to that.

[Kat]

What's sad is we have to. That song can no longer be.

[Amy]

No, he's bad. Bad. I'm gonna talk about a bad boy.

[Kat]

Yeah. I wonder what. What record company he was on.

[Amy]

Good question.

[Kat]

Guess we'll never know.

[Amy]

We could Google it. We can Google it. Okay, well, so there you have it. I think the big takeaways from today are forge.

[Kat]

Yeah, that's what you can take away.

[Amy]

Small talk. Keep Forge in your back talking pocket. Family, occupation, recreation. Recreation, geography, experience. Yeah, we're not referencing.

[Kat]

Yeah. Oh, I didn't know if you're doing. You're doing a rap.

[Amy]

No, but Tupac. Dear Mama is one of my specialties.

[Kat]

Would you like to end with that?

[Amy]

When I was young me and my mama had beef 17 years old kicked down on the street the back in the time I never thought I'd see the day Ain't a woman alive that could take my mama's place from school Scared to go home I was a fool with the big boys breaking all the rules See anything back then was so nice? I don't know. It's not. No, he's saying Dear Mama, like, and even though you're a crack queen, Mama.

[Kat]

Oh, I didn't know, he said that.

[Amy]

Crack fiend or something. You always was a black queen, mama.

[Kat]

That's kind of sweet.

[Amy]

No, he's talking about how like in who thinking elementary. Hey, I'd see the penitentiary one day. Running from the police. That's right.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

Catch a whooping cat or mama cashew put a whoop into my backside.

[Kat]

Okay. It's kind of compared to some things you hear. Now that's a little bit cleaner, wouldn't you say? It's a left note to his mom. Right?

[Amy]

Yeah. Hey lady, don't you know I love you Sweet lady.

[Kat]

Is that part of the same song? Uh huh. Oh, that sounds a little nicer than some of the things I hear now. I'm not saying it's.

[Amy]

Oh, yeah, I see. I mean, Tupac was lyrically pretty brilliant if you ask me. And I think Tupac and Biggie, both people argue Biggie more so their music can still survive today. Like, it doesn't sound like if you, if Biggie's song, some of his music were to come out today, it was just the sound of it would still sound like it fits right in that.

[Kat]

Song that you just sang.

[Amy]

That's your mama. It's different. And I said Biggie specifically, and that was Tupac.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

You know Biggie.

[Kat]

Okay. I. I think I was in elementary.

[Amy]

School or something when sometimes your words just hypnotize me. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Kat]

Okay. That would be cool. I'll listen to that. Okay.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

With a little different behind the scenes music.

[Amy]

White girls dissect hip hop.

[Kat]

Okay. Nobody listened to any of that.

[Amy]

So yeah, you can take away the forge and you know that you need to watch the documentary.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And next week, since we didn't get to it, we have got to talk about what items in your house you need to fire. Because I think this is such a great way. This is coming from a Harvard professor. And we'll talk about it next Tuesday.

[Kat]

Like get rid of before the new year.

[Amy]

Yeah. It's like every time you buy an item, think of it this way. When you buy an item, you're hiring it to do a job. And then what happens at the end of the year or beginning of the year? Like you, you take, you do a review, like at work, you do an end of year review or a start of the year review, like reflecting on the work that this person or thing has done. And so if you look at items that way. Cause sometimes we hold onto so much stuff. So we're gonna dive into that.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

Now it's gonna help us start 20, 26.

[Kat]

Strong and fresh.

[Amy]

Yeah. By firing a bunch of stuff at our house.

[Kat]

I'm ready.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Okay. Don't fire that picture.

[Amy]

Well, it's gonna be. It's not fired, but it's not working.

[Kat]

It's. It's retired. Yes.

[Amy]

Yes. Retired. So if you fire it, it's gone. If you retire, retire it. It stays in the attic.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Or the basement or whatever. Yeah. So we'll come up with a whole thing and that maybe next Tuesday we can focus on like, that'll be our theme.

[Kat]

Yeah. Yeah, I like that. Yay.

[Amy]

All right, so most importantly, have the.

[Kat]

Day you need to have.

[Amy]

Bye.

[Kat]

Bye.

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[Amy]

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