FEELING THINGS: When You’re Feeling Judged, Consider the Source (Also: Labia Changes No One Talks About)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Bobby Bones Show — "FEELING THINGS: When You’re Feeling Judged, Consider the Source (Also: Labia Changes No One Talks About)"

Date: November 23, 2025
Hosts: Amy & Kat

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The Bobby Bones Show" (Feeling Things with Amy and Kat) explores themes of judgment, self-worth, societal expectations, and the importance of listening to credible sources. The hosts also address lesser-discussed women’s health issues, like changes to the labia with age, in a candid, humorous segment. The conversation flows naturally from personal anecdotes and deep reflections to playful tangents and practical advice.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Feeling Empowered & Considering the Source (02:45–12:40)

• Empowerment through validation: Amy starts by reflecting on a recent compliment and discusses how it's often hard to accept genuine praise.
• Fashion chat: The hosts riff on crew neck sweaters and layering tips, highlighting everyday self-expression and confidence.
• Notable quote: "When you're feeling judged and get down on yourself, consider the source. Is the source qualified to be giving judgment?" — Amy (08:11)
• Discussion: The importance of evaluating where feedback and criticism originate, especially when the source may not be an expert or even know your story.

2. Information Credibility, China’s Online Law, and Social Media (09:15–12:46)

• Kat discusses China's new law requiring influencers to have credentials to talk about topics like medicine, law, or finance.
• Amy considers the pros and cons of such rules, weighing the balance between combatting misinformation and censorship.
  • “I think part of that can be very helpful…there are plenty of certifications that don't require you to go to grad school to be able to speak on certain things.” — Amy (12:38)
• Kat reflects on her own habit of taking advice from random internet personalities vs. Amy’s more skeptical, credential-oriented approach.

3. Societal Pressures & The Definition of Success (13:26–16:29)

• Amy recalls a study: While less than 10% of Americans define success by status (career, money), the majority believe others do.
  • “We end up chasing things that we don’t actually even think matter.” — Amy (14:18)
• The hosts discuss how these misperceptions drive behaviors, leading to insecurity and the fear of judgment or failure.

4. The Regrets of the Dying & The Call to Authenticity (16:25–27:08)

• Amy references Bronnie Ware’s “The Top Five Regrets of the Dying,” focusing on the wish to have lived true to oneself rather than to others’ expectations.
• Kat shares her personal story about her mother’s hospice experience, illuminating the realities and misconceptions around hospice and end-of-life care.
• Notable regrets highlighted:
  • “I wish I’d had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me.”
  • “I wish I hadn’t worked so hard.”
  • “I wish I’d had the courage to express my feelings.”
  • “I wish I’d stayed in touch with my friends.”
  • “I wish I’d let myself be happier.”
• “If people who are dying are saying this, we know it’s important.” — Amy (27:08)

5. “Consider the Source” & Handling Criticism (28:22–28:36)

• The hosts create a shorthand for “Consider the Source”—C.T.S.—as a mental check for dealing with unwanted criticism or online negativity.
• Lighthearted riff about "Cindy Lou Who" as a placeholder for anonymous internet critics.

6. Childhood Boldness vs. Adult Fear (30:22–35:28)

• Amy and Kat recount their childhood experiences trying new activities (cheerleading, student government) with little self-judgment.
• Amy notes adults often place greater expectations on themselves, which inhibits risk-taking and trying new things.
  • “If you only had to be 60% good at something, what would you do?” — Amy (33:41)
  • They encourage listeners to pursue interests without the pressure of perfection.

7. Inventions, Persistence, and Success Stories (36:03–41:30)

• Kat shares her idea for a new head/neck sleep product and references Sarah Blakely (Spanx) and inventors who faced rejection before massive success.
• Amy quotes Thomas Edison: "Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time."
• Discussion of Shark Tank stories and recent high-profile business successes, like Poppy being sold to Pepsi.

8. Social Media Success & The Importance of Just Trying (56:08–61:07)

• Amy and Kat’s TikTok video goes viral; they reflect on the unpredictability of online algorithms and the importance of letting go of control or hyper-curation.
  • “You just go forward posting all the videos with just no fear. That’s the whole point of this episode.” — Amy (61:07)

9. Raw Dogging Boredom (44:46–47:40)

• Kat introduces the Gen Z trend "raw dogging boredom" (a.k.a. "radical downtime"): intentionally sitting with boredom and zero stimulus to increase creativity and problem-solving.
• Amy, as a therapist, laughs at potentially recommending "raw dogging boredom" vs. "radical downtime" to clients.

10. Listener Segment – Labia Changes & Women's Health (65:33–68:09)

• The hosts play a voicemail from listener Melissa (66:43), confirming labia shrinkage with age and sharing tips about estrogen cream for reversing changes:
  • “No one ever mentioned it. So I just wanted to set the record straight and tell you that it does happen, but you can also reverse it by using estradiol cream.” — Listener Melissa (67:20)
• Kat and Amy celebrate normalizing these conversations and providing space for tips women might not otherwise hear.

11. Vulnerability and Relationship Growth (69:45–72:00)

• Kat describes helping her boyfriend with speechwriting, demonstrating support and referencing advice from Alex Cooper (Call Her Daddy) on co-working in relationships.

12. Regional Communication Quirks — “O” vs. “Zero” (72:14–74:49)

• Listener voicemail reveals Texans often say “O” for zero, sparking a tangent about dialects and phone numbers.

13. Closing Thoughts – Permission to Try (74:28–77:07)

• Amy and Kat reiterate the episode’s theme: give yourself permission to try new things, regardless of potential judgment or failure.
  • “If you’ve been wanting to try something… try it.” — Kat (74:51)
• Fun wrap-up about “Pilates princesses,” stars, and encouraging listeners to step out of their comfort zones.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “When you're feeling judged and get down on yourself, consider the source.”
  • Amy (08:11)
• “We end up chasing things that we don’t actually even think matter.”
  • Amy (14:18)
• “If people who are dying are saying this, we know it’s important.”
  • Amy on Bronnie Ware’s regrets of the dying (27:08)
• “If you only had to be 60% good at something, what would you do?”
  • Amy (33:41)
• “Raw dogging boredom” vs. “radical downtime”
  • Kat & Amy riff on the Gen Z trend (44:53–47:40)
• “No one ever mentioned it. So I just wanted to set the record straight and tell you that it does happen, but you can also reverse it by using estradiol cream.”
  • Listener Melissa (67:20)
• “You just go forward posting all the videos with just no fear. That’s the whole point of this episode.”
  • Amy (61:07)
• “If you’ve been wanting to try something… try it.”
  • Kat (74:51)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:45 – "Feeling Things" segment and opening banter
• 08:11 – The essential quote on considering the source of judgment
• 09:15 – Discussion on credential requirements for influencers in China
• 13:26 – Statistics on perceived vs. actual definitions of success
• 16:25 – Bronnie Ware’s “Regrets of the Dying” and what truly matters
• 28:22 – Creating “C.T.S.” (Consider the Source) as a personal mantra
• 33:41 – The 60% good rule for trying new things
• 36:03 – Invention stories and the importance of persistence
• 44:46 – "Raw dogging boredom" explained
• 66:43 – Listener voicemail: Fact-checking labia changes
• 74:28 – Final advice and encouragement

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Tone & Style

Lighthearted, open, supportive, and conversational, with frequent jokes and tangents that humanize the hosts while still diving into meaningful, at times vulnerable, topics.

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For New Listeners

Expect brainstorms, relatable anecdotes, and honest conversations about mental health, societal norms, body image, and empowering yourself to try or be something new—topped with humor and an atmosphere of friendship. The discussion is both informative and validating, aimed at reminding listeners to reject unqualified judgment and live for themselves.

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[Kat]

If you ever have feelings and you just want some, maybe a cat got you covered like a num, brother. Ladies and fellas, we just following the spirit where it's on us. From the real stuff to the chill stuff and the in between, sometimes the you can do is just stop and feel things. This is feeling things with Amy and Kat. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to feeling Things. I'm Amy.

[Amy]

And I'm Kat. And I am feeling empowered today.

[Kat]

That is the feeling of the day.

[Amy]

Feeling of the day and why. Well, so before I get into why I'm feeling empowered, I do want to. I guess you could call this. Well, it is a compliment. You know how we've talked about not knowing how to dress and, like, watching these people and them saying, wear this, not that, whatever, blah, blah, blah. I've been seeing a lot of videos about how the one piece of clothing you need for this season is a crew neck sweater. Oh, you're wearing one.

[Kat]

Is that what I'm wearing? Oh, and you did the layering wear the white T shirt underneath.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

You know, this one girl, I didn't do this today because I felt like I was going to be uncomfortable, but she said she wears her white shirts. The T shirt she wears under sweaters backwards because the back of the neck sits higher up, so that way the white part really shows. So that could be a pro tip that I've never tried.

[Amy]

Also, people take fashion tape and tape their crew neck to their white shirt so it stays.

[Kat]

Oh, see, because I will say I've had. I've had the problem today of, like, having to pull it down to make sure that the white is showing.

[Amy]

Because the fashion tape is probably more comfortable.

[Kat]

Yeah. Than wearing it backwards.

[Amy]

It might pull up your sweater.

[Kat]

It has a thick tag. And I'm like, I don't want that, like, on my neck.

[Amy]

Yeah. But I just wanted to empower you.

[Kat]

Well, thank you. Pause, pause, pause for the compliment. My boyfriend is so cute, you know? Cause he listens to our podcasts. I didn't know he listened as much as he did. And I can't say that he's listened to every single episode. But the other day he gave me a compliment, and I really didn't take it well. Like, I just was sort of like, what? No. And he was like. He looked at me, goes, thank you. Pause, pause, pause, pause.

[Amy]

And I was like, touche. Okay.

[Kat]

You've been listening to the podcast, so he knows, and he retains info and male listener check. All right, so why are you feeling empowered? And thank you for empowering me.

[Amy]

You're welcome. I'm feeling empowered because I was at a presentation recently, and I had taken these notes, and I just hadn't. I guess I forgot about them. I was going back through. Like, I was trying to clean up my notes app, which I'm assuming your notes app looks kind of like my notes app. Yeah.

[Kat]

But I've never thought about cleaning it up. Should I? Because, I mean, I do have a storage issue.

[Amy]

Yeah, I think mine was because I have a storage issue. And I was like, I have all these notes, and it's like, chicken thighs. What am I gonna do next Saturday? Like, it's like, the random stuff on the same note. Like, they don't make sense. But I had this. I found this one note that had notes from this presentation I went to, and I don't know. I'm assuming it was from this person. I wish I could credit them. But, of course, knowing me, the notes had no other context of it, and it was just a quote that the person said. Are you looking up your notes? Yeah. Well, what are your notes look like?

[Kat]

What, did Santa bring the naughty soccer player? What? Cole.

[Amy]

Get it.

[Kat]

Okay, I. That was. I don't know. That's the note I ended up on. I have lots of those, so you.

[Amy]

Probably could delete that.

[Kat]

What? What if I need it? Here's another note. I met cat exactly four years ago.

[Amy]

Stop it.

[Kat]

And that was on February 15, 2024. I must have been journaling about it.

[Amy]

Wait, what? How did you just randomly find that?

[Kat]

Just kidding. It must be notes from a fifth thing a long time ago. Oh, yeah.

[Amy]

We met on February. What?

[Kat]

Well, it was February 2024, and we met in February of 2020.

[Amy]

Wait, did that. Oh, that didn't say the date we met.

[Kat]

It's the day that I made the notes.

[Amy]

Was. What?

[Kat]

Well, it must have been a fifth thing where we were talking about, maybe we met exactly four years ago at that time, and it was February 2024. And then if we met in February 2020, that's four years.

[Amy]

Oh, I was just hoping that the date was, like, maybe the same day that I met Patrick, because that could be, like, my lucky.

[Kat]

What day did you meet Patrick?

[Amy]

February 15th.

[Kat]

No, I think. Yeah, maybe. Maybe we did. Maybe we did. Maybe we did. I will. I could look it up, because I could look at what day we recorded out way in 2020. Because Lisa flew into town. I know that it was right before COVID hit New York, because she's from New York and she was in Nashville and then flew out and then the tornado happened here. And then she got back and New York was starting to get really eerie.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

And so it was bizarre for her. She's like, wow. Because it had. The tornado happened like a day earlier, she would have been here. No, no, no, she didn't. She would probably want to come because I had no electricity. She stayed with like. No, I had to go stay in a hotel because it's like a block from my house.

[Amy]

Because you were in your old house.

[Kat]

Okay, Memory lane.

[Amy]

Okay. So I'm feeling empowered because I came across this note from this presentation. I can't remember who it was. I could probably figure it out at some point, but the note just said, when you're feeling judged and get down on yourself, consider the source. Is the source qualified to be giving judgment? And I. I just thought, like, it's so simple. That's like the simplest thing ever. It's like, duh, they have. We say things like that all the time. But the thought of like, consider the source hit me a little different because I'm so hard on taking information from people that aren't reliable. You know that about me. I'm not going to take recommendations for things from somebody who's not qualified in the medical field. If it's about men, medical stuff, if it's about nutrition, I'm not going to be taking recommendations for somebody that's just a random person with no credentials. And so why are we so quick to take judgment or feedback or recommendations on how we should be living or what we're doing wrong or right when the people don't really know much about us and our stories and.

[Kat]

Yeah, they're not what's going on professional in us.

[Amy]

In us. Well, I just thought that was so interesting.

[Kat]

Which a side note on that, you'll love that. In China, I believe, I think it was late October, they implemented a law where people online, like social media platforms, have to have some form of certification, license, or degree in whatever it is they're talking about.

[Amy]

Wait, are you for real?

[Kat]

And as for real as the article that I came across. Okay, so, I mean, you can fact check it, but I did.

[Amy]

That's cool.

[Kat]

See that? I think maybe Moshe had it in his newsletter or something.

[Amy]

Now the only thing that is coming up for me as feedback for that or criticism of it is it kind of does censor your, like, freedom of speech. A little bit.

[Kat]

Well, you know, yeah. I'm not going to say that that's what they're into, but, yeah, that might.

[Amy]

Be what they're into, but part of that makes sense because there's a lot of misinformation out.

[Kat]

Yes.

[Amy]

And there's a lot of confusion, and you can get very overwhelmed easy, easily. Anybody who has the Internet knows that. Well.

[Kat]

And I'm the opposite of you. Of you. You know, you're like, you know, I don't want to take advice from anybody unless they are an expert in XYZ. And I'm like, did you see this person on TikTok? I have no idea their background, but they said. And I, you know, go with it, Go with it. So you're right. I need to be more cautious in that area. And then here in the US if we could just implement that law, that'd be great. Which I do understand the censorship behind it, but it would be great. If. If you're gonna talk about something medical or give advice about it should be things then like, yeah, go ahead and slap your credentials at the beginning of the video.

[Amy]

And if you want to talk about it, like, this could be taken different way. So I want to be somewhat careful on how I say it. But, like, if you want to be a therapist, you can do it. Like, you can go to school and get licensed in it, and then there's a track for you to be able to then have that channel.

[Kat]

You know what? Yeah. There's a lot of life coaches that would be in trouble.

[Amy]

Yeah. And I do.

[Kat]

If we were China and there's a place for life coaches.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

I agree.

[Amy]

Going to say, like, if you stay in your lane. I don't. There's. I recommend some of my clients to go to life coaches for certain things that, like, are out different from what I do. So it's not even like hating on that. It's like, oh, like, if you want to be a doctor and be giving medical advice, like, you could do that now. Easier said than done. I know that. Finances and all that, but still.

[Kat]

Yeah, I guess that's true. There's. This is. There's nuance here, and I guess it depends. At the end of the day, I'd rather live here than there. So.

[Amy]

Yes. We just have. Shannon just put in our doc a new rule. So you're not. This is credible.

[Kat]

Oh, yeah. Back it up with the source.

[Amy]

A new rule from Cyberspace Administration of China CAC requires influencers to have a degree, license, or professional certification before creating content on serious Topics like medicine, law, or finance. Social media platforms are now responsible for verifying influencer credentials, ensuring proper citations, and adding disclaimers. I think part of that can be very helpful. Yeah, like, I think again, it's more nuanced than just like, you have to have this. And this also says, like, certification. So there are plenty of certifications that don't require you to go to grad school to be able to speak on certain things. Exactly.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Okay. So as I was thinking about this quote that I found, it was kind of just reflecting on some things I was feeling a little bit. Well, I'll just say I won't even qualify it. I was just feeling insecure about. Of just thoughts about myself and feedback that people might be having about myself. It reminded me of. I did a episode on you need therapy probably like three years ago on failure. And I think it was because I was asking people, like, what's the one thing that keeps you from going out and following your dreams? Or like going for the things you want? And it was the fear of failure. So I did a whole episode on it and I found this report and it was from populace and Gallup. So if you want to go back and look.

[Kat]

My favorite reports. Yeah.

[Amy]

And they said While less than 10 of Americans define personal success in status oriented terms, a vast majority belief society at large does. So I'm gonna say that again. So less than 10% of Americans qualify success within status oriented terms. So like money, career, does that make sense?

[Kat]

Right, but I'm thinking you would think it would be higher.

[Amy]

Well, so, okay, follow me.

[Kat]

A higher percentage of people.

[Amy]

Well, you're, you're proving the point. Less than 10% people really qualify success within that realm. However, the vast majority of people think that other people do.

[Kat]

Yes, we think it's higher, but it's really not.

[Amy]

Yes. So we live in a world where we're. And I think that there's this. Even explaining this, my head kind of gets in like a swivel because it's hard to grasp that, like, we're all walking around. Well, most of us, actually the vast majority, most of us are walking around thinking that success comes from things like quality relationships or family or having connection and love, all having fun, like all of this stuff. Most of us are walking around thinking that, but then we're walking around thinking that everybody else is judging us in a different way and everybody else thinks a different way. So then what happens is our behaviors, because we want people to think we're successful and because, I mean, we live in A world that values success because we have a skewed idea of what people think success is. We end up chasing things that we don't actually even think matter. We think other people think they matter, therefore, then we think they matter. Does that make sense? Yeah. Okay.

[Kat]

No, I see how you can get a little twisted up with it. Yeah, it does make sense. And I do think that there is something in aging and maturity and growth life experience that where at some ages you may have that perspective and then there is a shift, like, where something happens and you realize the reality of, like, what's important. Hopefully, if you're lucky, otherwise you could end up chasing that your entire life. I mean, I think of my dad, for example, like, he's someone that chased something well into his late 60s, I think it was maybe 70 even. I don't know. I'd have to look at the calendar to see when the actual shift happened. But I was in my 30s and he was really old when he had his sort of wake up call of like, oh my gosh, I've been chasing the wrong thing. And like, this is what's really important. And he did get to live out several years with that perspective, thank goodness. But I think you probably wish he would have had that epiphany sooner.

[Amy]

Well, I think that speaks to the quote in the beginning of, are those people qualified to be making judgment? Is it's another way to look at, do I need to put so much of my stake in what other people think about me? Because at the end of the day, I don't really know. And like, they might be basing that off of a skewed idea as well. And it also brings up. We've talked about before, I don't know if on this podcast, but on the fifth thing back in the day, the regrets of the dying. Yeah. And for anybody who isn't familiar, there is this hospice nurse that she ended up writing this book. She would ask. I mean, she's at the end of the end stage of life with all of her patients, which.

[Kat]

That's the end. That's what hospice is. I don't know that everybody is familiar with it. I had never heard of hospice till my mom entered it.

[Amy]

Really.

[Kat]

I had no idea that hospice literally equaled, like, end of life. When we went to this hospice house in Austin, we thought we could eventually be checking our mom out and she was going to come home and like, live life. Like, that was my ignorance. I didn't know.

[Amy]

It's also like a hard wake up.

[Kat]

Call to learn that yeah. But I guess I'm just sharing that because if you haven't experienced it and you don't know, you may not really have a full understanding of, like, hospices.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

You know, you can be in hospice for a long time. You'd be there for a long time. But your quality of life is. It's not necessarily going to improve. It just meant to keep you comfortable. Palliative care. And I did not realize that. And I remember when my sister and I were there and they handed us this pamphlet that was sort of explaining it. And I remember pacing the hall and being like, why are they giving us this pamphlet about, like, you know, preparing for her death? You know, like, we literally did not.

[Amy]

Know that's what you were doing.

[Kat]

No, we learned at the hospice house that she wasn't ever going to leave the hospice house.

[Amy]

But you. So you weren't aware of, like, the stage of life.

[Kat]

No. That's why I guess I'm clarifying for anybody, like, they may not know. Oh, hospice nurse. Like, that's specifically a nurse that is dealing with people that are in their final days. Ish. Even though hospice can last a long time for some people, but that's not very common. But my mom, before she fell conscious, unconscious there, because she went unconscious at the hospice house. But before she's like, I want to leave. Like, I want to go home. Like, I don't know what's going on, but I really, really, really want to be at. And once we realized this was going to be her final time, then we totally didn't anticipate her losing consciousness. Like, it was a procedure where they needed to put a catheter in her. And I can't remember if they sedated her for that or something, because it was going to be painful. And then she just, like, never came out. But what was really terrible about that? Not to be Debbie Downer, but she yelled at me that morning, and it was only because I was trying to take her to the bathroom. Hence why we ended up needing the catheter. But I picked her up, tried to carry her to the bathroom, and she just didn't have the strength and me touching her. She was so frail that she, like, screamed at me. And then I was like, what are you doing? Well, I'm trying. I'm, like, literally trying to help you, and you're yelling at me. But I did not realize the, like, it just was. You know, you're. You're processing so much, and I think I was just, yeah, surviving. And I. That's one of my last memories with her being conscious. And I'm like, well, dang it, mom. You go out each other, which is pretty. Like, our style attracts. We had a really, really difficult relationship when I was a teenager. But then in my 20s, after I. My brain fully developed probably 25. Shout out frontal cortex. You know, I think I needed to fully mature to, like, have.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

A good relationship with her.

[Amy]

Your mom just wanted to remind you where you came from.

[Kat]

Yeah. And she would always tell me. She was like, you just wait. You just wait. I mean, and then now I have kids, and I'm like, okay, I get it, I get it, I get it. But she ended up being my best friend, so there is hope. So for other moms out there, like, if you're having a difficult time with your teenager, just wait until maybe they're 25.

[Amy]

Yeah. I think that's pretty normal.

[Kat]

Yeah. So then we got tight, and then. Yeah, back to hospice. In case anybody didn't know what that was.

[Amy]

Thanks for taking us on that journey.

[Kat]

Just clarified it for you. Well, I just remember being shocked.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

And being like, what? Like, I did not know. And there was this place that's also the Christopher house. Like, I thought this cute little house my mom's gonna hang out in for a couple days. And it's like, no people die there. But then my mom was very clear. So after she went unconscious, we were like, we need to transfer her to my sister's house because she wants to be in a home.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

And, like, then they were like, are you sure? So then she was unconscious, and we transferred her to another bed. Unconscious.

[Amy]

Did the hospice nurse come to your house then?

[Kat]

Yes. So then you set up a plan where a hospice nurse can come to the house. And her hospice nurses were so great. They were just so great. They brought so much joy to our house. Like, they were just awesome.

[Amy]

Think about the type of person who would want to go into that field. You have to be awesome. Well, I would think so. You have to be a. I think it takes a special type of person to work in transitioning people into death.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

You know, speaking of death, the final.

[Kat]

Signs of death, which is what we were originally talking about. I totally derailed the final signs of death.

[Amy]

It's the regrets of the dying.

[Kat]

That's what I meant. You know, tomato, tomato.

[Amy]

The final. Let me show you the final signs of death.

[Kat]

No pills.

[Amy]

Purple skin, cold to the touch.

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[Amy]

While I do this, Shannon, can you look up the author of this book, the Regrets of the Dining? I want to say her name is Bonnie.

[Kat]

Yes, her name was Bonnie.

[Amy]

Yes.

[Kat]

Bonnie. Yes. But I can't think of her last name.

[Amy]

Yeah, I think it starts with a. Clyde. Bronnie.

[Kat]

Oh, Bonnie. Bronnie.

[Amy]

I wanted to say Bonnie. Claire. Okay.

[Kat]

I thought Bonnie Clyde.

[Amy]

Wait, it's Bronnie Ware. Bronnie Ware.

[Kat]

Bronnie Ware.

[Amy]

Okay, so Bronnie Ware was a hospice nurse, and she would ask her patients what regrets they had, and she put them into these five different categories. I can't remember all five of them, so maybe Shannon can put those into the doc. But the number one regret of the dying was, I wish I spent less time being who I thought other people wanted me to be and more time being who I am and being myself. And that hits me every time I talk about this. I feel just as strongly about it because I'm like, if people who are dying are saying this, we know it's important they're dying. And that's the thing they look back on, and we're like, it wasn't important. What was important was being myself. And that's what I wish I would have done. I take that to heart. So in all of this stuff that I'm talking about, it is a good reminder for me to be like, okay, when it comes down to me dying, I'm not going to care as much about what these people are thinking, so I might as well just be myself, do what I want to do, go after the things I want to go after.

[Kat]

Yeah, I feel like you're right. The people we need to be listening to are the ones that know us, are. Will that know us or they're dying.

[Amy]

Oh.

[Kat]

Which I have the first regret. I wish I'd had the courage to live a life True to myself. Not the ones ever. The. Whoops. You already just said that one. Okay, just. It doesn't hurt to repeat it or repeat that one. Second one, I wish I hadn't worked so hard. The third one, I wish I'd had the courage to express my feelings.

[Amy]

Feeling of the day.

[Kat]

Empowered is the way.

[Amy]

Nice. Houston, don't cut that out.

[Kat]

Yeah. And then the other one is, I wish I'd had the Feeling Things podcast. Just kidding. I wish I'd stayed in touch with my friends. And then another one is, I wish I'd let myself be happier. That one's hard to know that you lived a life knowing that you could have been happier, which some of that is like, doing those other things would have made you happy. And I'll let, like, Cindy Lou who on Instagram get to me.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

She'll send me a mean dm, and next thing you know, I'm spiraling and I'm like, who is Cindy Lou who?

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

And I go to her page and it's.

[Amy]

Is she.

[Kat]

No, she's not.

[Amy]

Okay, consider the source. That'll be a new thing for us to just say, like, sib. Consider the source. Cts.

[Kat]

Cts. That's being confused. Government agency or a CAT scan.

[Amy]

CIA.

[Kat]

Cte. That's the football.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Injury. Cts. Cts, C, T, S. Were you a cheerleader ever?

[Amy]

Okay, first of all, the way you asked that, I feel like, ever. First of all, yes. And let me tell you about it.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

I made the football squad in seventh grade. I feel like I've told you this.

[Kat]

So sorry, I forgot.

[Amy]

Yeah. How dare you not remember? I have some good lore about my cheerleading days. Okay.

[Kat]

Sorry. Little Jesus. I remember that nickname so.

[Amy]

When I was younger. So this is a perfect example. Thank you for bringing up when I was a cheerleader because, well, technically, you're.

[Kat]

In the football squad.

[Amy]

No, the football squad. Cheerleading squad. It was the best squad to be on. It was the number one squad.

[Kat]

Football squad. Like, if you're a cheerleader, you could.

[Amy]

Be on the basketball squad, the football squad, or the wrestling squad or the dance team. Cheerleaders went to the wrestling, and the ranking was football squad, best basketball, second best wrestling, third, best dance team.

[Kat]

Oh, dang. I was on the dance team, but.

[Amy]

I think also you could be on the dance.

[Kat]

I was also on the dancing back row. I was also on the dance team. Didn't make every dance. No, it's not because I was tall. Thank you for that, though. I think it's because that's where they put People because they weren't as visible, you know, that, that. So I did cheerleading now I did dance team. And then when I realized that wasn't really for me, I did cheerleading also. Still wasn't for me. I probably would have been cheering for the wrestlers. But anyway, you were on the good squad.

[Amy]

So this is what it's like a team. Yeah. Yes. So I can say that now as a. As a human that knows that I don't have any dancing rhythm or skill. So it is very confusing when I look back on this. But this is tied to all of this because when I was a kid, I tried everything. I tried out for the basketball team, I tried it for the. In what world was I trying out for the cheerleading squad? I wasn't a cheerleader. I did it. I did dance when I was like 4. I played soccer. So like I just randomly was like, oh, I'm in middle school and they have a children's squad. I'll try out for it. I was on the indoor swim team, which some people said that was a weird way to say it. I guess it's just a year round swim team. I played everything and tried out for anything I wanted to do when I was younger. And that is not how I live my life as an adult.

[Kat]

It's because you had no fear, you mean.

[Amy]

Because I think as a kid there are different expectations. So for me, as in, this is me looking back with the brain of a 35 year old. So I wish I could go back and talk to myself at 11 or 12, but I imagine that I was like, oh, I've never been a cheerleader before. So I'm gonna try out and if I don't make it cool. Like, but why not try out? But as an adult we have different expectations where we're like, oh, if I'm gonna do something, I need to do it well because it would be embarrassing. Or the expectations are different. But if I'm new at something, I've never done it before. I wish I could have the brain as a kid, as an adult, because then we would go out and do more. Like speaking of your improv stuff, like, I am not going to go to an improv class because that I feel like I'm gonna now get myself in a position where like, you're like, I challenge you to go do it.

[Kat]

No, if you go, I would go with you. I don't want to challenge you to it. Like, I think it would be fun.

[Amy]

Like, I think it would be fun, but it is so scary. But in fifth Grade. Guess what? I was in drama club, and we did improv games. And I had no fear. It was just fun because everybody there was just, like, kids learning. Why are you laughing?

[Kat]

Well, you talking about fifth grade drama club made me think of, like, something I did in fourth grade that, like, does not track with my personality now. Like, I would never, ever, ever try.

[Amy]

Out for classical music.

[Kat]

No, no. I've told you about it before. You don't remember. You don't remember my fourth grade when.

[Amy]

I ran for class president?

[Kat]

Treasurer.

[Amy]

Don't.

[Kat]

I ran for treasurer. I hate money. I hate dealing with finances. And I ran for class treasure. Vote for Amy Moffat. You can't top it.

[Amy]

And didn't you hand out candies?

[Kat]

Yeah, Dollar bills.

[Amy]

Oh, you hand out money.

[Kat]

Fake money. Like Monopoly money. Okay, but. Yeah, with candy. So perfect. Yeah, but. But I would never. Like, why in the world would I run for treasure in fourth grade?

[Amy]

Because as kids are. We think differently because we don't have the same expectations. That's why. And I'm going to take some of my own advice. When I talk to clients about wanting to do things or trying new things, I say, if you only had to be 60 good at something, what would you. What things would you try? And if I only had to be 60 good at improv, and, like, that's just what's sticking in my brain right now, I think I'd go do it. But I have this in my head expectation that, like, oh, I'm gonna mess up and it's going to be embarrassing, and these people that aren't credible sources are going to judge me.

[Kat]

Yeah. Cindy Who? Who?

[Amy]

Cindy Lou who?

[Kat]

It's not even a real handle.

[Amy]

Get out of here.

[Kat]

I just made it up, so. But she's out there. You know who I'm talking about.

[Amy]

Yeah, because you're listening. So then you can judge Amy and.

[Kat]

Make comments on our Instagram she and he.

[Amy]

And so here's my question to you. If you only had to be 60 good at something, what would you do? Would you try out for an adult cheer squad?

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[Amy]

Well, you did do a dance class. You're pretty good.

[Kat]

That was fun. I only went to the dance class with my daughter, though.

[Amy]

Like, what things would you do?

[Kat]

So fun. But I was horrible at it.

[Amy]

Well, I think that makes it even better.

[Kat]

Yeah. I would like to do more improv. The problem with the improv classes that are here in Nashville is they're three hours long. Most all of them.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

At least the places I've looked. If there's a short 30 minute pop in. And if there's like, yeah, like an hour and hour and a half, but three hours every week. Like that was just hard to find for eight weeks straight. Yeah, I just want like a pop in. Like a casual improv hang. Like, not like a commitment to a class. Like let's just gather together and improv it out. Like that would be great. I would do that.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

I would maybe play piano or something.

[Amy]

Okay. But I think piano is just another time thing for you.

[Kat]

What do you mean?

[Amy]

Like, I think you would do that if you could find like the time to also.

[Kat]

I just be 60% good at that.

[Amy]

Yeah, I think you want to be good at that. Doesn't fit this. So what are you scared to do? It might be more like business things that you'd want to try or like you also might need to think about this.

[Kat]

Well, I want to do some keynote speaking.

[Amy]

Okay, perfect.

[Kat]

So only 60% good.

[Amy]

But that's the. The 60% is like the starting gate position for you. So. So like as a kid when I started playing soccer, there was no expectation for me to be good, so I just jumped on the field and I probably like made flower crowns the whole time. Who knows, as I get older and I put more effort and I practice and then I realize that I like really love it and I want to do something with it. That didn't really happen with me. I didn't care. But for the sake of this, then you start to want to be better and then you start to like really hone your craft versus this is just how do we get you in? So if you only had to be 60% good to get you in, you might do some challenge yourself with some speaking engagements.

[Kat]

Also I have an invention in my head. Another one that has to do with your head. Another invention.

[Amy]

Like the things you can't reach.

[Kat]

Oh, yeah. Well, that wasn't really going to happen. I mean, for places you can't reach when you're trying to self tan yourself, I feel like that was pretty good. But you, most people have a roommate or a partner or a neighbor. Can you do my back For a.

[Amy]

Stranger coming over and rubbing lotion? Right.

[Kat]

That probably be bad. And then people do go to the house and they do spray tans, but places you can't reach, I mean, they could also. If you can't reach your back, but also if you can't reach the thing up in the cabinet, you get a stool. Anything you can reach. I know, but I do have an invention for the head and neck Area when you sleep. I don't want to say too much.

[Amy]

Oh, because you don't want to.

[Kat]

Anybody to hijack my idea, so. But it has to do with your head and neck when you sleep.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

Think of it like. No, I've already said.

[Amy]

Yeah, don't say it. But. Okay. If this is a legit, I can't tell if you're joking or not.

[Kat]

I'm not joking.

[Amy]

No.

[Kat]

I swear I've never seen anything like this. And I think it could be good. I just need the prototype and maybe the patent.

[Amy]

We can do that.

[Kat]

We.

[Amy]

I'm now in this with you because I'm gonna get you to go after it. So I want 10%.

[Kat]

Okay, that's fine. I just.

[Amy]

That was easy.

[Kat]

Think that it could be a game changer, at least for me, when I sleep.

[Amy]

And.

[Kat]

And it's something like. I've had different versions of it in my head over time.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

This one that I've thought of recently, actually last Wednesday to be exact, is when it came to me. And I think about it every. I've thought about every night since I laid. When I lay down to sleep, I'm like, if only I had that. So I need to order some things and maybe bust out my sewing machine and figure out how I'm gonna build it, but.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

I think it'll come together and it could change your life.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

There, I said it.

[Amy]

So do you want me to hold you accountable to this?

[Kat]

Please.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

But I have other things I'm working on too. So I'm like, oh, shoot. But. But this could be a thing. And I think of the. The woman, Sarah Blakely, that created Spanx, and how she was going door to door selling fax machines. And then she had this idea for her Spanx and how she would, you know, take the idea to certain manufacturers, and they rejected her. And I feel like I might take this idea to people and they might be like, this is ridiculous. Like, this doesn't make sense. And I'm like, but it does.

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[Kat]

It's. We. Our necks need it. We need this.

[Amy]

So this brings me to something else that I randomly just put in our doc, because I liked it, but I didn't really have any way to work it in. So thank you for this. Okay.

[Kat]

You're welcome.

[Amy]

Thomas Edison once said, oh, my fellow inventor Tom, our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always just try one more time. So speaking of her going door to door, people being like, no, that's stupid. The next person could be the person that says yes. And then you're bajillionaire. And I was talking with my friends about. I don't know their names, but the. The inventors of cakes. Those boob pads.

[Kat]

Oh yeah.

[Amy]

And the girl that invented Poppy. I'm pretty sure the girl that went. Didn't she go on Shark Tank and like they rejected her or something.

[Kat]

I think they might have. I know that she started Poppy, like in her kitchen.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

And then Pepsi just bought it for.

[Amy]

Like a billion dollars.

[Kat]

A billion 1.8.

[Amy]

Oh. Could have been more.

[Kat]

Which.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Might as well be two.

[Amy]

Yeah. And I'll. I'll round up.

[Ed Helms]

Sure.

[Kat]

Once you hit a billion, like does it.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

They're just weird money. Anyway, like, what is it? It'll never get spent.

[Amy]

It will never get spent, ever. And so I don't need to be a billionaire. However, if we could come up. Now that I'm in this with you, an invention. I will go door to door in honor of Thomas.

[Kat]

Tom. Tom. Ed.

[Amy]

Tommy.

[Kat]

Our boy Tommy.

[Amy]

Our boy Tom. Okay.

[Kat]

Okay. Well there.

[Amy]

Me too.

[Kat]

I am as well. And if you're ever having a moment where you're feeling like not productive but you know that you want to be, like maybe you need to have a brainstorming session or something. Have you ever heard of raw dogging?

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[Kat]

Have you ever heard of raw dogging boredom? Like raw doging boredom?

[Amy]

No.

[Ed Helms]

No.

[Kat]

I feel like you need this in your back pocket as a therapist because you could recommend it to your clients.

[Amy]

I was gonna say, can we rebrand it?

[Kat]

Why?

[Amy]

First of all, I need to know what it is. I'm not gonna. With a client being like, okay, well, sounds like what you need is to raw dog some boredom. Yes. Never saying that. Okay.

[Kat]

But that. But it's. I don't know what else to call it. Like.

[Amy]

Well, I'll help you come up with a different name, but I don't know what it is.

[Kat]

You. You sit and literally make yourself bored. You can't just sit in a corner. Like, you can't have your phone. You have nothing to entertain yourself. You just have to sit there and it helps reset. Let me read you specifically. It's allowing yourself to be bored for a certain amount of time without exposing your brain to micro reward stimulus. Says stimuli.

[Amy]

Is it stimuli? Yeah.

[Kat]

Okay, well, I didn't type that.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

Stimuli like your phone allowing your mind to wander improves your performance on problem solving tasks and increases your creativity. Raw dogging up strength brain.

[Amy]

Read that sentence again.

[Kat]

You're so immature.

[Amy]

You're the one laughing.

[Kat]

Yeah, but you're the one that made it awkward. I'm just kidding.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

It helps train your brain to not need as many little dopamine hits and that it's okay and safe to not put your attention towards that. It sounds like you do not need to clear your mind in order to do this, but you just have to sit there with no stimuli. Okay. Another name for it is Shannon. Just looked it up. Can you say this radical downtime 100% that you like the better than raw dogging boredom?

[Amy]

Yes. From a professional standpoint, because it does.

[Kat]

Seem pretty radical to like put your. It's like you're putting yourself in time.

[Amy]

Time out. Yeah. So I think the rod. Did you find this? Is this from like tick tock or something?

[Kat]

This is from some random influencer that I'm sure has a credential.

[Amy]

I was gonna say we need The CAS or whatever. CAC to come in and see where this person got there.

[Kat]

It's a Gen Z tick tock trend.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

And you know, that sounds Gen Z. Yeah. Okay. Qualified.

[Amy]

I'm in. If I'm a Gen Z's therapist, which I have some Gen Z clients, and I'm like, have you tried raw Dogging boredom? I think they'd be like, don't say that. I think they'd be like, you're too old to say that.

[Kat]

Okay. So, you know, then you could say.

[Amy]

Have you tried radical downtime?

[Kat]

Oh, no, tell me more.

[Amy]

Put yourself in time out.

[Kat]

And I'll be like, oh, yeah, we call. That's called raw Dogging boredom.

[Amy]

Lame.

[Kat]

Well, I don't know. Maybe it would work, maybe not. But when I was watching some of the videos, because there was multiple people, it wasn't even just one person. It's like a trend. Like, I was watching people do it and they're literally.

[Amy]

You watch.

[Kat]

Sitting up against the wall.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

They'll time lapse themselves.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

Because this one girl, raw dog for an hour.

[Amy]

Stop it. Oh, my God. Okay.

[Kat]

She radical. She radically downtimed herself for one hour and she put it on like, so.

[Amy]

She'S just sitting there. So it's kind of like meditating in a way.

[Kat]

Yeah, but she wasn't like. It wasn't like a force. Like, oh, I have to sit here and like. But like, she sat there and she's just sort of like, you know, I would rip on my twiddling her thumb. I mean. Yeah.

[Amy]

Huh.

[Kat]

That's what you would do. Anyway. Just a technique, something to try out.

[Amy]

Yeah. Well, thank you.

[Kat]

From non certified people online.

[Amy]

I need to fact check us. Fact check us on what, Poppy? They didn't get rejected, so.

[Kat]

But were they on Shark?

[Amy]

They were on Shark Tank. And they. Their names? Oh, they're sisters. Allison and sister and brother. Allison and Stephen Ellsworth. Married.

[Kat]

I thought they were married.

[Amy]

They may. I don't know. Why? I just thought sister and brother. They're probably married.

[Kat]

Why? What are their names? Are they like two feminine names?

[Amy]

No, I just can't read. It's Allison and Stephen sisters.

[Kat]

Like, I was thinking, you know, like, if it was like, you know, Jordan.

[Amy]

No.

[Kat]

You know, that could be.

[Amy]

I always got ahead of my. Well, it's because I think the cakes people are two girls.

[Kat]

The. Well, that would make sense. I hope so. I hope that, like, Michael didn't invent the nipple covers, but maybe he did.

[Amy]

Maybe he did. Okay, so the founders, Allison and Stephen Ellsworth appeared on the show in season 10. It's a long time ago, 2018 to pitch their company and they back then they called it Mother Beverage Group Upgrade with the name Poppy Mother Beverage.

[Kat]

Probiotics in there and there's like the Mother Mother.

[Amy]

Okay. While they face some initial criticism for from some of the sharks regarding the taste and branding, a guest shark, Rohan Oza, saw potential in the product and he offered them a deal of $400,000 for a 25 equity stake in the company, which they accepted. The also those people are married. That means they didn't get 1.8 billion because they had to give 25 to Rohan. Rohan. Mr. Oza.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Which like.

[Kat]

Okay. It's fine. Probably. Any other investors they had along the way?

[Amy]

Oh yeah, I guess they probably did some others.

[Kat]

I'm sure they're fine. I saw. Speaking of Tick Tock, I saw them on Tick Tock traveling the world and they're like, we just sold our company to Pepsi. What would you do if you had all this money and were traveling the world? I can't remember what the Tick Tock was, but I remember being like, what an odd video to make of like, I'm so rich.

[Amy]

What would you do if you were me?

[Kat]

Where would you go first?

[Amy]

This is what we're doing. Haha. You can't come.

[Kat]

Who knows, Maybe I'll make one of those videos when I sell my pillow. Just kidding. It's not a pillow. It's not.

[Amy]

Nobody thought you were going with pillow when you said the head and neck and sleeping.

[Kat]

But it's not a normal pillow.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

Speaking of, whenever Bobby got inducted into the Radio hall of Fame in Chicago, for whatever reason, a lot of people were getting inducted at the same time. And I don't know who this guy was there with. But you know that guy that had the infomercials with like, you're gonna love my not you're gonna love my nuts. That's a different guy. The pillow guy. The. The pillow. My pillow. I don't know my pillow. You don't know the my pillow infomercial guy? No, he's like dark hair, a mustache. He's my pillow.

[Amy]

I don't know.

[Kat]

You would know him if you saw him. Anyway, he was there. I met him. Maybe I'll contact him and I'll be like, I have an idea.

[Amy]

Was he selling a pillow?

[Kat]

No. He must have been there because he had a friend potentially being inducted into the radio hall of Fame. But I was like, I recognize him. I'm like, you're the my pillow infomercial.

[Amy]

Guy saying, like, he was selling a pillow in the infomercial. Yeah.

[Kat]

He created a pillow that was like, you know, the pillow. My pillow.

[Amy]

But where is it now?

[Kat]

Mike. What? Mike Lindell. I met him and maybe since I.

[Amy]

Could be your shark met him, I.

[Kat]

Could reach out and he'd be like, yo, Mike, you may not remember me, but I met you at. In Chicago at the radio hall of Fame in whatever year it was 2015 or 16. And I have a pillow idea. Would you like to be my first investor? And also, do you have a pillow manufacturer?

[Amy]

So now everybody knows that what you're gonna make.

[Kat]

Yeah. But they don't know what kind. And it is not your normal average pillow. Because, I mean, I feel like I have a good pillow, but this is just totally different. I don't even really know how you'll put a pillowcase on it. That's how different it is. Like, it's.

[Amy]

So you'll have. Okay, so this is a great opportunity for more. More products for people to buy, because they are gonna buy the pillow, but then they have to buy the special case. Yeah. You are only be the one that patents the case too. So then it's like when you buy the iPhone, you have to buy a case because then your iPhone's gonna break. It's like, you buy the pillow, you gotta buy the pillowcase. So you're selling them two things in one every time.

[Kat]

Which I'm not trying to upsell. It's not what's about. It just has to be a particular.

[Amy]

Well, if you want to sell your product to Pepsi and travel the world, then you're gonna need to upsell.

[Kat]

True.

[Amy]

Yeah. Think smarter.

[Kat]

It's a rebrand of a pillow.

[Amy]

I do have a question about that, though. I don't mean I. I feel like I can ask this question because I'm not a billionaire. If you did have a product like that, and this is hypothetical, so you can't really know, so what would you think you would do? But if you had a company or product, you sold it and you made like $500 million to a billion dollars, would you quit working or would you go and try to do more stuff?

[Kat]

Yeah, because I would have opportunity to have money to invest in more and, like, create more, or would you be.

[Amy]

Like, I'm gonna ride this out, because.

[Kat]

As an inventor, you have the brain of an inventor.

[Amy]

You just can't stop.

[Kat]

I would maybe have more ideas. Well, I would probably use the money to fund, you know, that we're Trying to work on Low key, a protein bar. So I'd figure out that problem. I like my job. I don't know. I would. Maybe I wouldn't just quit working and do nothing, but I think I would still do the show, but then have money to do other things that I want to do.

[Amy]

Like, if you made a billion dollars, you would still do this podcast at this point?

[Kat]

Yes. What. What else? Why? I enjoy. You and I were talking the other day about how it's, like, what we look forward to.

[Amy]

I just think about a billion dollars. I would have other things to look forward to.

[Kat]

You wouldn't do it?

[Amy]

No.

[Kat]

Well, okay, you said the other day, this is the. This is like, the best thing right now. I'm paraphrasing that. I have. Right. You said that. Right. So you're saying that only at where you are financially. Like, if you had way more money, what. What would change other than your bank account?

[Amy]

I feel like.

[Kat]

Like, what else would you do?

[Amy]

It's not crazy to say if I got a billion dollars, I would stop working.

[Kat]

Yeah, but this doesn't feel like work. You said.

[Amy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, then let me. Okay, okay, okay. Listen, let me. I'm gonna. Yeah, but I said that as me now we're like, I'll see you with money changes. Yes, I will change it.

[Kat]

Is that everybody in this room? Is everybody leaving?

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[Amy]

Okay, listen, let me rephrase. I don't. Okay. Am I safe to say how I feel right now?

[Kat]

Yes, obviously. I'm joking.

[Amy]

I'm just joking.

[Kat]

It's fine. It can be feeling things with Amy.

[Amy]

And.

[Kat]

And. And the other cat, because she.

[Amy]

That'd be an easy transition. Yeah. Okay, so if I got a billion dollars, I think I would still want to do something. I think I would do more. Yes, you're right. I would do more things that I would do just for fun versus I'm doing this because I need money or this is my. My job that I have to do. Listen, so this. It would be just fun. So I think I would shift the way I think about it too. Like, I probably would not do the social media. We could hire somebody. Yeah. If I had a billion dollars, I would not be making Instagram reels. I would be asking someone else to do it. And honestly, they could help us make some really cool, like, tick tocks and stuff. So it could be beneficial.

[Kat]

But now that we're viral on tick tock.

[Amy]

But I also would want the opportunity. Oh, yeah, we'll come back to that. I would Want the opportunity because we record this on a certain day every week. Well, what if I wanted to be in Italy? I would negotiate that. We could do some virtual.

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[Amy]

Tapings.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Podcasts, recordings. So I think I would shift the way I wouldn't be. So we would have to have a conversation about our boundaries again.

[Kat]

Well, the likelihood of any of this happening is.

[Amy]

You never know.

[Kat]

Yeah, you never know. You never know.

[Amy]

You don't know what I have up my sleeve.

[Kat]

Yeah, I want to believe that that's actually gonna happen. But at least we're good for the next year or so.

[Amy]

But I think I would also. Yeah, for the next year we're really good. I think I also would want to do things just because I'm to help versus just make money. So like, I mean, I would want to. No, I mean, like, this would be one thing. Don't. Don't hear what I'm not saying. I think if I was a billionaire, I would hope. My hope for myself is that I would get more involved in some non profits or things in my community to help other people.

[Kat]

For sure. Yeah, we could put on events.

[Amy]

So yeah, that would be fun. I think that passion just help people versus I have to help people and I have to sustain my life. It would open up doors for me.

[Kat]

The orphanage in Haiti would be just totally taken care of.

[Amy]

Check.

[Kat]

Yeah, would be funded. Check. It's one thing that I have to figure out sometimes. But you know, so whatever.

[Amy]

I heard you kind of whisper that we went viral and I just wanted to make sure everybody heard that since, you know.

[Kat]

Yeah. Our cuss video went viral on TikTok. Who know at the time that we're recording this, it's like 1.7, 1.8 million. But at the time people are hearing this, it could be. It could still be there or if it got stagnant, or it could be well over 2 million.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Which is funny that. And you know, we're kind of attracting an audience that I'm not sure. I don't know who we want, but it's. It's kind of funny. They must be seeing our other videos because they're deciding to follow.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

So some people are following. The comments are hilarious.

[Amy]

There's a lot of profanity in the comments. But what's funny about that and what is just interesting about social media in general, that video, I was like, oh.

[Kat]

I told you to make it.

[Amy]

Well, you. Yeah, you told me to make it. And then the idea behind it, I'm like, yeah, that could be good. But the clip that I had to work with, that was like, usable of me talking. Yeah.

[Kat]

You were like, not feeling it.

[Amy]

Yeah, because I was like, it's so short. I feel like, well, you tried to.

[Kat]

Add something else to make it more interesting. I was like, take it out.

[Amy]

Yes.

[Kat]

And then Cat was like, okay, I guess I'll put this up. And then bam. It's been shared over 20,000 times on Instagram and versus the videos that I.

[Amy]

Like, work really hard on and I think are just going to kill it. It's like, wah, wah. So I just have to care less. I think that's the key.

[Kat]

But I can. I. I care. I thought that would be a good video. I cared, like, I thought of it. I went back and was like, looking at our text because I was like, wait, what day did we think of this? And then we ended up. So I texted you on like a Wednesday and I was like, hey, can you make a video of the cussing? Whatever? And then I posted on Instagram. And then I was like, yeah, and then you posted to Instagram maybe Thursday or Friday. And then I posted it Friday night to Tick Tock. And then it blew up. Yeah, But I don't know why it is. But I so random thought it was so cute how you were like texting me and you're like, can you please add the source to the, to the description? What is it? The. The caption, caption? Because people you know were commenting like, what? Yeah, what's your source? Or where'd you get it? And then you're like, bam.

[Amy]

Because I'm like, I didn't make this up, but that's part of it. I. I didn't add this me because in the actual podcast I said the source, but in the clip, I.

[Kat]

You did it.

[Amy]

I didn't.

[Kat]

So I was like, you should have thrown that in. Yeah, should have thrown in the source.

[Amy]

So then I, I.

[Kat]

But who knows? I probably didn't like, take that out and then some.

[Amy]

Right? You're like, this is boring. Wa.

[Kat]

Wa.

[Amy]

Like, then some of the people that were like, would love to know this research. Where does this research come from? I commented and I was like, oh, of course you can have the research article. And I posted it and sent it to them. You ask and you shall receive.

[Kat]

You texted me to add it to the caption on Tick Tock. And then I go to Tick Tock and I'm looking in the comments and I scroll down and I see Cat Defata. And you put the source like you as a comment. Yeah. You're like here, here.

[Amy]

If you want to read it, it.

[Kat]

Was really, it was cute and it was good that it was actual research and you had the data.

[Amy]

It's a peer reviewed study.

[Kat]

Back it up. Yeah, yeah. And not that I knew. I mean I could have told, honestly, I was sort of being like haha, I told you to make it because I did think it would be good. However, it could have easily done nothing right because like I've had other ideas that have been like total flops. So it's just, I was just shouting it out because I got lucky, you know. Okay, sometimes, you know, you win some.

[Amy]

You lose some, you go viral. Sometimes nobody watches your video at all.

[Kat]

I just, you just go forward posting all the videos with just no fear.

[Amy]

That's the whole point of this episode.

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[Matt]

Hey y', all, it's Joel and Matt from how to Money. Joel, you were just out in Seattle recently, weren't you?

[Joel]

Yeah, man, it was amazing. I went for one of the most glorious runs of my life, along the waterfront. It had everything you could ask for. Crisp air, mountain views, fairies gliding across the water. Beautiful.

[Matt]

I love it, man. Yeah. For us, our road trip through Charlottesville was a highlight. We actually splurged on a custom built Airbnb and it was well worth it. The house had these unique touches like a poured concrete counter there in the kitchen with a built in drying rack. Super functional. It even inspired some ideas for our house.

[Joel]

Plus, with a kitchen like that, you save money eating out.

[Matt]

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[Kat]

We're going to pivot.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

This is going to be. This is going to feel like A hard pivot.

[Amy]

Because it is. Because it could be any more of a hard pivot. I think it can get. Or is it kind of on any harder?

[Kat]

Okay, then this. And if you have little ones, well, it's probably fine because they probably don't know it. A 5, 4, 3, 2. Giving you a break. Hey, guys, have your kids not talk? Libya. Labia kids probably don't know what a laby is.

[Amy]

Or they do.

[Kat]

Or they do. And it's a great moment to talk about the body.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Okay, so.

[Kat]

So we have a voicemail from a listener that is following up with a previous conversation we had about labias at some point. This must have been a while back, because I can barely remember what we were talking about. I think maybe I mentioned that I saw from someone online talking about how it shrivels up with age. And we have a listener who is fact checking this for us. And the data is her own body.

[Amy]

So hit it.

[Kat]

Roll it.

[Listener Melissa]

Hey, guys, it's Melissa calling from Northern California. I listen to your podcast every week. I absolutely love it. I feel like I'm sitting listening to two friends talk and it just brightens my day every week. But I honestly can't believe I'm leaving a voicemail about labia. I turned 50 a few months ago, and I can tell you from firsthand experience that labia does kind of go away, shrivel up. And I can also tell you that no one talks about it. No one ever mentioned it. And so I just wanted to set the record straight and tell you that it does happen, but. And you can also reverse it by using estradiol cream. And so I've been doing that and it's back. Kind of crazy. Anyways, hope you're having a great day and I will be listening to you next time. Bye.

[Kat]

It's like. So anyways, hope you have a. Never thought I'd be calling. Leave a voicemail by Lydia, but here we are. And she's right. Nobody's talking about it, really, except us. Now we are.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

And shout out to whatever person I saw online bring that up at some point, because I was shocked by that. I had never heard of it. And now this listener has a tip in case anybody else wants that cream.

[Amy]

And it's too embarrassed or feel so much shame to bring it up. Yeah. So then they. Yeah, also I want to give her a shout out because I liked how she said but. And so good job.

[Kat]

Yeah, we love ands. That is the number one rule of improv.

[Amy]

But yes, yes. And so, like, I'M step one into improv already.

[Kat]

Yeah, you already get it. And yeah, my boyfriend was doing some work thing the other day. A speech, a 40 minute speech.

[Amy]

To how many people?

[Kat]

Like 150 or something. But 40 minutes, I was like, are you sure you want to talk this long to them? Like I think they might get bored. And he's like, no, that's how much long it has to be. And I was like, how long it has to be or how long you think like you find him boring? Have to be that? No, but that's a long time to talk about like real estate.

[Amy]

I feel like 40 to 45 minutes is a normal public speaking time.

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[Amy]

I would not want to listen to that for 40 minutes. But I'm not interested.

[Kat]

Right. If they're in that industry and they're there for. I get it. So maybe that was the thing is I wasn't into the content.

[Amy]

We talk for 40 minutes.

[Kat]

True. Yeah. But we're all over the place.

[Amy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kat]

Which some people love. Some people hate. Cindy Lahuhu. She will let us know about it. She will love our randomness or not love it. So in his speech somewhere I was reading over it and there was like a but. And guess what I did? I switched it to an and and it changed the vibe.

[Amy]

Really? Yeah. Does he notice that?

[Kat]

He noticed it. And when he. Because he had to practice it. And I was like, you want to do a run through?

[Amy]

That's really cute.

[Kat]

It was cute because I had listened to him for 40 minutes.

[Amy]

Sorry.

[Kat]

Yeah, yeah. We did a full on dress rehearsal one.

[Amy]

Okay. But that is making me think of Alex Cooper's documentary. Did you ever go back and watch it?

[Kat]

Yeah, I thought it was really good.

[Amy]

And she would practice her stuff in front of her husband and her husband would give her little notes. It was really cute that he was like that into helping her when. Even when she was like really nervous. Yeah. So you kind of are like Alex Cooper and he's Alice Cooper's rich husband.

[Kat]

Well, switched because I was the one helping him.

[Amy]

Yeah. So I think that's really sweet. Also, like, I think her talk might have been more interesting to you than real estate. So what did you learn?

[Kat]

Whose talk?

[Amy]

Alex Cooper's.

[Kat]

Oh, her talk. Yeah, probably. What did I learn about. No, I feel like it was more specific industry insider information for their company specifically and how they need to come together. He did use the analogy of the Ryder cup and how the European team played more as a team than the American team and how they were great example of what it looks like to work together, because these are all these professional golfers coming together to be a team. And it's sort of like in his industry, there's all these leaders and professionals that are coming together as a group, and they're different.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Parts of the country where they are the top of what they do. And then it's like, but if we work together, we could be even better. And he. Oh, that's another part of the speech where I sort of tweaked it, because he was like, how many of you are familiar with the Ryder Cup? Or he asked it in a way that sounded a little. It wasn't exactly like that, because it definitely sounded a little more condescending. Like, for those of you that don't know about the Ryder cup, let me explain to you what it is. I said, just don't even ask them. Just be like, I was watching the Ryder cup the other day, and that's where, you know, you have the European team and the American team. Just, like, go explain it. Like, don't ask it. Because it sounded condescending when he said it.

[Amy]

That's really good feedback.

[Kat]

Oh, thanks.

[Amy]

That I'm gonna use.

[Kat]

What do you mean? Where are you gonna use it?

[Amy]

Well, like, I feel like sometimes on here, I'll be like, do you know what I mean? And like, sometimes that's like, yeah.

[Kat]

Or like, do you know what this is?

[Amy]

Or, yes. When I can just be like, this is this thing. And if you know what it is.

[Kat]

I was like, do you know what raw dogging boredom is?

[Amy]

Okay, that one I did not take offense to. I was like, yeah, obviously, I know what that is. Yeah.

[Kat]

Idiot. Speaking of things that I felt like idiot. Ish about, you know when I brought to you the other day how I felt lame on the phone when I was saying zero and, oh, I am not alone. I am not alone. We got a voicemail from a listener that does the same thing, and she has a reason why. So I don't know really what my reason is, but I do it. She does it. We are not alone.

[Amy]

I feel like I told you that I did it too. Did I not?

[Kat]

Did you?

[Amy]

I was confused.

[Kat]

You were very confused.

[Amy]

I think I do, too.

[Kat]

You seemed very confused, like, when I was explaining it well. Cause I probably did a poor job explaining it, to be honest.

[Amy]

Oh, maybe I did poor listening, too.

[Kat]

Who knows? This is why we work well together.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

You want to hear the message?

[Amy]

I would love to.

[Kat]

Okay, hit it.

[Listener Melissa]

Hi, Kat and Amy. This is Mary. I'm cracking up listening to y' all talk about 0 and O. I'm from Texas and grew up saying O. I moved to California and worked at a law office, and no one knew what I was talking about, so I changed it to zero. And so now I say both. Also. I think both is perfect because I think Texas are perfect. So there you go. Hope you all have the day you need to have. Bye.

[Amy]

Well, maybe that's your issue, too, because you came from Texas and then I.

[Kat]

Somewhere got the zero. Yeah, like, somewhere I started doing the mixture. But I probably did O growing up because my phone number going up was 2820841. And I always said it that way. I never said 0841.

[Amy]

You can't say never. You don't know.

[Kat]

No, I know for a fact. I never said 2820841, 100. Never said that. I can say that with certainty. Why can't I say that?

[Amy]

I just feel like that's one of those things.

[Kat]

No, I know for a fact, Cat.

[Amy]

But we also can't check it. So, like, I guess you can say that.

[Kat]

I know, but you have to trust me. Like, I know for a fact that I never would have said, that's really.

[Amy]

Cute the way you just said that.

[Kat]

Because you do.

[Joel]

Okay.

[Amy]

I just feel like you just have to. I was just being difficult.

[Kat]

You have to trust.

[Amy]

Trust.

[Kat]

And if there's anything people take away from today's episode, it's that if you've been wanting to try something, anything, whatever it is, whether it's to make a new friend, talk to somebody, approach a guy, invent something, I mean, it could be something that's.

[Amy]

Try new workouts, big or small.

[Kat]

Try it. Yes.

[Amy]

Try new recipe.

[Kat]

I'm still a Pilates princess, by the way. What am I, three weeks in now?

[Amy]

Oh, wow.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

It's a big deal. I saw a guy get his card.

[Amy]

What it is? Did you see for the first time?

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Is that princess?

[Kat]

I heard him say it to his wife. He was not a Pilates princess and he wasn't a Pilates prince.

[Amy]

What was he?

[Kat]

It was really cute, actually. He was probably in his 60s, and I could tell that his wife brought him there. And then afterwards, I knew exactly what he was feeling, so I was like, sir, I've been here. You're about to sign up for a full year membership because that's dopamine.

[Amy]

Hit and buy some socks.

[Kat]

They know what they're doing because he opened his locker and then I saw him look at the card, and then I Saw him smile, and then his wife came up behind him, and he was like, look at my card. I got five stars. Five stars for his first time.

[Amy]

That's sweet.

[Kat]

You know, it's like, you did great. Five stars. And he was so happy. And, I mean, I'm telling you, he was. Again, probably in his 60s, professional businessman, probably belongs to a country club. Like, was like a child that just got five stars on his.

[Amy]

Okay, well, have you brought Alex?

[Kat]

I haven't, but I should take him and see what kind of card he gets. I should take him. He's done Pilates with me once before.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

When we went to Canyon Ranch.

[Amy]

I think you should take him and. Because maybe that can be, like, a thing you guys do together.

[Kat]

Yeah, I did go with his daughter. I don't know.

[Amy]

I don't think Alex is signing up for a membership, but I do think it'd be sweet if he went with you.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And see what kind of card he gets. Oh, my gosh. What if he doesn't get a card? Because they're like, oh, he's. She's. She's already signed up.

[Kat]

Well, they want. No, they're thoughtful.

[Apple Card Announcer]

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[Kat]

Okay, they're gonna get everybody.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

I say they're thoughtful of it. Really, it's. I mean, it's probably a mixture of thoughtfulness and genius marketing.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

I can't tell you probably how many people have instantly bought something after they got that car.

[Amy]

You can care about people and your business at the same time, which is.

[Kat]

How I'm going to be with my pillow, which is not a pillow. I really am gonna care about people.

[Amy]

Before you give too much information, we should wrap this up.

[Kat]

Okay. We hope you have the day you need to have. Bye.

[Amy]

Bye.

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Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first, There the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.

[Amy]

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