Lots to Say: It's a Madden Thanksgiving!

Summary

The Bobby Bones Show: “Lots to Say: It's a Madden Thanksgiving!”

Date: November 26, 2025
Host: Bobby Bones (with Matt Castle, Kevin, and special guests Scott Porter and Sandy Montag)
Produced by: NFL & iHeart Podcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode, released on Thanksgiving week, celebrates the enduring legacy of John Madden, the NFL’s continuing “John Madden Thanksgiving Celebration,” and the cultural phenomenon of Madden football. The hosts share personal holiday traditions, discuss the crossover between sports and entertainment with actor Scott Porter, and then dive deep into John Madden’s life, career, and larger-than-life impact with his longtime agent, Sandy Montag.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Thanksgiving Traditions, Football, and Family

[03:01–05:36]

• The crew shares their holiday plans, with Kevin heading to California and Bobby going to Oklahoma to visit family (and root for two different college teams due to family allegiances).
• Discussion on how weather influences the “holiday feel”—Matt’s tongue-in-cheek rule: “If your city never gets below 50, you shouldn't get to celebrate Thanksgiving.”
  — Matt Castle, [03:11]
• Recognizes the importance of family, food, and, of course, football.

2. Friday Night Lights with Scott Porter

[05:42–16:13]

A) Friday Night Lights’ Enduring Appeal

[16:06]

• Scott Porter (actor, “Friday Night Lights,” “Ginny & Georgia”) joins the show.
• The group confesses their own (sometimes partial) history with the show, highlighting its lasting popularity:
  • “Streaming extended the life of Friday Night Lights in a big way. And I don’t think any of us expected it to be handed down generationally the way it is currently.”
    — Scott Porter, [16:06]

B) Acting & Athletics – Parallels and Breakthroughs

[18:48–22:33]

• Scott shares his personal story going from football and academics to acting, emphasizing the competitive nature and parallels to sports:
  • “There is a drive that you learn through athletics that you can apply almost everywhere. There is a stick-to-it-iveness… get knocked down, get back up.”
    — Scott Porter, [27:48]
• Relates auditioning to competing in games and discusses perseverance amidst rejection.

C) Crossover Success & Reality Television

[29:45–32:44]

• Scott discusses being on “The Masked Singer,” breaking transitional boundaries:
  • “For a long time, Hollywood had rules… If you wanted to be a film actor, you could be nothing but a film actor… Now it’s such a cool world where everybody’s really allowed to do all of the things they’re good at.”
    — Scott Porter, [30:07]
• Admits to being a massive “Survivor” fan and credits competition-based reality shows as “the world’s greatest game shows.”

D) Broncos Fandom & Football Knowledge

[10:33–15:36] [33:14–40:57]

• Scott reveals he’s a life-long Denver Broncos fan (“I grew up watching Elway play in the ’80s, lose a lot of games, but just play with moxie I’d never seen before.” — [11:01]).
• He evaluates Broncos QB Bo Nix’s season with impressive detail, earning praise from the group:
  • “For some reason, it seems like there’s a clarity for Bo in the fourth quarter of games… I think I speak for all of Broncos Country, we’d love to just see that clarity for four quarters.”
    — Scott Porter, [12:17]
• Delivers his Mount Rushmore for Broncos legends: “Demaryius, John Elway, TD (Terrell Davis), Steve Atwater. If it’s not DT, it’s Shannon Sharpe.”
  — Scott Porter, [33:30]
• And for non-Broncos: “Brady, Rice, Barry Sanders, Lawrence Taylor.”
  — Scott Porter, [36:00]

E) Greatest Games Attended

[39:50–41:49]

• Top in-person games: Super Bowl 50 (Broncos win) and the Giants’ upset of the undefeated Patriots in Super Bowl XLII (“I was in the end zone as Plaxico Burress caught a touchdown to beat the undefeated Patriots… The magnitude of that game and the plays that happened in it, it was insane.” — Scott Porter, [40:57])

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3. The John Madden Legacy with Sandy Montag

[53:51–79:35]

A) Life with John Madden: Stories from the Road

[55:13–58:20]

• Sandy explains how he got his start working with Madden by joining his “summer roll crew” out of Syracuse, eventually becoming his travel companion and later his agent.
• Madden’s famed refusal to fly was less about flying and more about claustrophobia (“Not fear of flying. He had claustrophobia… He would always want to be… the only person in an elevator.” — Sandy Montag, [56:47]).

B) Madden’s Unique Approach, Preparation, and Intellect

[58:20–61:22]

• Madden was regarded as “the smartest person I ever met in any subject, not just football.”
  — Sandy Montag, [56:57]
• Revolutionized game preparation in broadcasting: the first broadcaster to regularly attend practices and obsessively watch film.
• “He wanted to feel, when he was doing a game, in his mind he knew more about those two teams than any two people besides the coaches.”
  — Sandy Montag, [61:22]

C) The Birth and Impact of Madden NFL

[62:45–64:39]

• Relays the accidental genius behind the Madden video game: “We had no idea what we were getting into… John said, I’m not putting my name on a game unless it’s authentic.”
  — Sandy Montag, [62:57]
• A two-year tech challenge to represent 11-on-11 football, and neither Madden nor Montag thought it would sell, making 150 million+ units sold even more remarkable.

D) Becoming a Cultural Icon

[69:23–71:19]

• Sandy marks the early ’90s as the turning point—commercials, the bus, and especially the video game turned Madden into a household name.
• “During that time John and Michael Jordan were the two biggest things in advertising.”
  — Sandy Montag, [69:44]
• Even as the “brand” grew, Madden remained relatable and never took himself too seriously.

E) Hall of Fame and Thanksgiving Legacy

[74:28–76:27]

• Madden’s Hall of Fame induction (2006) was one of his proudest moments, highlighted by his desire to go in as a coach, not as a broadcaster (“It was the happiest day of his life besides his kids being born.” — Sandy Montag, [74:31]).
• The annual “John Madden Thanksgiving Celebration” began as a tribute rooted in his love for the holiday. All games feature his name, commemorative coins, and an award for player of the game (“If you’re going to honor me, this is the way I want to be honored on Thanksgiving. And I think we did get it right and it feels, it just feels like Madden.” — Sandy Montag, [78:53]).

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Featured Quotes & Notable Moments

• “No place that doesn't get below 50, you shouldn’t have Thanksgiving.”
  — Matt Castle, [03:11]

• “Streaming extended the life of Friday Night Lights in a big way... It’s really a cool thing to see.”
  — Scott Porter, [16:06]

• “For me, having the athletic background actually played huge into, you know, moving into the world of acting, because every audition is a game in itself.”
  — Scott Porter, [20:09]

• “He was the smartest person that I ever met in any subject, not just football.”
  — Sandy Montag, [56:57]

• “I’m not putting my name on a game unless it’s authentic.”
  — John Madden (via Sandy Montag), [62:57]

• “If you’re going to honor me, this is the way I want to be honored on Thanksgiving.”
  — Sandy Montag (on John Madden), [78:53]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Thanksgiving Traditions: [03:01–05:36]
• Scott Porter joins; Friday Night Lights & football fandom: [10:33–41:49]
• Acting, music, and crossover success: [18:48–32:44]
• Mount Rushmore for Broncos/All-Time NFL: [33:14–36:55]
• Madden’s travel and preparation: [55:13–61:22]
• The creation and impact of Madden NFL: [62:45–64:39]
• Madden as American icon: [69:23–71:19]
• Thanksgiving Celebration origins and meaning: [76:27–79:28]

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Episode Tone & Style

The conversation is warm, humorous, and nostalgic, blending football analysis with heartfelt stories and cultural reflections. The camaraderie between co-hosts and guests is evident, peppered with friendly ribbing, “insider” sports talk, and genuine admiration for both the athletes and entertainers at the table.

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For Listeners New and Old

This episode is a celebration—of family, football, and the way one coach-turned-broadcaster-turned-video-game-icon shaped how generations enjoy Thanksgiving and the NFL. Whether you’re tuning in for sports, pop culture, or simply some holiday comfort, “It’s a Madden Thanksgiving!” delivers plenty to be grateful for.

Transcript

[Bobby Bones]

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[Matt Castle]

Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast. We got Lots to say. We got Lots to say we're glad you're here and we hope you stay? Cause we got lots to say.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, we got lots to to say.

[Matt Castle]

Now here's Bobby and that Everybody welcome. We are getting an episode in before Thanksgiving which feels good. Well, the show comes out on a Wednesday. So what are you doing for Thanksgiving?

[Kevin]

I'm going to be out in California with the family.

[Matt Castle]

You guys have Thanksgiving over there?

[Advertisement Voice]

We do.

[Kevin]

Shockingly, even with the weather still being like 70 degrees, it doesn't feel like. It doesn't feel like the holiday season.

[Matt Castle]

I'd like to say no place that gets that doesn't get below 50. You shouldn't have Thanksgiving. I would.

[Kevin]

That's your rule.

[Matt Castle]

That's my rule. If it doesn't get below, it doesn't have to be below 50 on Thanksgiving. But if your city never gets below 50, you should not get to celebrate Thanksgiving.

[Kevin]

Well, they got the La Nina out there right now, so maybe they do drop temperatures and it'll get to like 49 in the morning.

[Matt Castle]

It's acceptable. But until.

[Kevin]

But then it's gonna go back up.

[Sandy Montag]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

What do you guys do? Like what's the, what's the tradition?

[Kevin]

You know what, the last few years my wife's been taking the kids out there because I'm normally traveling for season. But I happen to have a game out there. We've got yout ucla Washington at UCLA this weekend prior to Thanksgiving. So I'm just going to stay out there and my whole family's coming out on Friday. So we get together, we see both sides of the family. We'll probably do a Thanksgiving on Wednesday and then my wife Stan for Thursday. I've got to go actually back to New York to go do studio Friday. Yes. And then guess what? I'm coming right back. That's a that, that for usc.

[Bobby Bones]

Ucla.

[Matt Castle]

Do they at least give you a lay down bed?

[Kevin]

No, no, it's just southwest probably.

[Matt Castle]

I don't know, la, New York.

[Kevin]

No, I have no idea what they're flying me out on.

[Matt Castle]

Oh my God.

[Kevin]

Haven't got that far ahead yet. So it's going to be a lot of travel. But yeah, it is what it is. What are you doing?

[Matt Castle]

We're going to go to Oklahoma. Okay. L A H O M A. I don't even sing it right. Stupid song. Plays all the time. Because Oklahoma is actually good at football. It sucks.

[Kevin]

They are good.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, sucks. It doesn't suck. I root for them because of my father in law, not because of my wife. I want everybody to know this I root for them because of my father in law, because I am happy when he is happy. My wife rubs it in.

[Kevin]

Oh, she talks a little smack.

[Matt Castle]

Well, we're not good.

[Kevin]

Yeah, that's true.

[Matt Castle]

Arkansas's not good.

[Kevin]

It's really just an easy target at that point.

[Matt Castle]

And she's like, oh, I wonder what it's like to have to wait for a game that's at 6 but you already know you're out of it. Kind of stuff.

[Kevin]

That burns deep too.

[Matt Castle]

So it just like it's.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm.

[Matt Castle]

My guts are all confused on who to root for or not, but I do root for them because I want my father in law to feel good. So. But they play that song all the time. Okay. L A H, I don't know how it goes, but we'll go to Oklahoma and we'll go to Fayetteville. We'll do both.

[Kevin]

You'll do both?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

And luckily they're close, so we'll do that and you know, eat food and come back home, but it won't be anything crazy. My wife's very pregnant, so it's not like you can do a lot.

[Kevin]

You're not gonna do much, but you're going to eat some food and hang out and be merry and watch football. Watch football. 100%.

[Matt Castle]

We have Scott Porter coming up in a second. So Scott Porter was in Friday Night Lights. And I got to admit this now, I've never seen an episode.

[Kevin]

Really. Don't tell him that.

[Matt Castle]

I won't. And when he comes on, we just finished the interview when they were there. I remember them being there and I'd probably interviewed him a time or two. But I've never seen an episode of Friday Night Lights. And I'm not anti Friday Night Lights. I never watched it. New then when I got old, I had other shows I wanted to watch.

[Kevin]

Yeah, it's a good binge watch, to be honest. They do a good job with the characters and all that stuff. It's entertaining. A lot of drama mixed in with some football. So, I mean, I've watched some episodes. My wife.

[Matt Castle]

Have you not seen every episode?

[Kevin]

No, not at all. Oh, I figured. My wife, I think seen every season, she used to binge watch. So like if you come in and see the treadmill rolling the peloton over there and she's walking it out. She was for months on end was watching Friday Night Lights.

[Matt Castle]

Kevin, you watch it? I didn't watch all of it, but I watched some of it. But the movie is my top three movies also.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, but the show I've watched, like.

[Matt Castle]

I think maybe one season. My. Like, my morning show, people, they think it's their favorite show, all of them. And they're all like, you should. It's still so great. And so he played Jason Street. He was the quarterback that was in the wheelchair.

[Sandy Montag]

Yes.

[Matt Castle]

He was basically Drake Undergrassi. Dang.

[Kevin]

Dang. You went there.

[Sandy Montag]

What?

[Bobby Bones]

No, I was like, dang. That's a.

[Matt Castle]

That's a deep. That's.

[Bobby Bones]

That's a good one.

[Matt Castle]

That's a good poll. Yeah, that's why I said grassy either. I just know that Drake was in a wheelchair on Degrassi.

[Kevin]

When you said dang, I was like, I don't even know what he's referencing. So I'm just gonna go, dang.

[Sandy Montag]

You went there.

[Kevin]

Maybe that'll spark something. You did it.

[Matt Castle]

We can't believe you did it.

[Kevin]

You're like, what do you mean? I was like, I don't really know.

[Matt Castle]

I also. He's not gonna remember this. Well, I just. We just talked to him, so I kind of acting like. We haven't talked to him yet, but I did a movie called Bandslam where I had nine lines.

[Kevin]

Was he in any of the scenes?

[Matt Castle]

Yes, briefly in one. But we were. I had my own trailer. Like, I was fringe principal.

[Kevin]

Okay.

[Matt Castle]

So I was considered a principal. I was on the sheet, and they gave me a trailer because I had to work, like, three days on set. I'm not an actor. I've never claimed to be an actor. I. I never really wanted to be an actor. And I've ended up acting a bit. Like, I've done, like, three episodes of Nashville, but I've played different people on that show, if you look. Because that show's on Netflix now. Nashville.

[Kevin]

Okay.

[Matt Castle]

At first, I'm like a random reporter who's like, hey, the parallel is Connie Britton's in both shows.

[Kevin]

Okay.

[Matt Castle]

She plays Randa James in Nashville, and she's the mom in Friday Night Lights, I believe.

[Kevin]

Right?

[Sandy Montag]

Yes.

[Matt Castle]

Um, so I play reporter in the first one episode, and then in another episode, I'm like somebody else. But then at the end, that's totally different character.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, but at the end, I'm playing changes makeup.

[Matt Castle]

I'm playing myself.

[Sandy Montag]

Really?

[Matt Castle]

And I have real lines with Reina James.

[Kevin]

Oh, that's cool. At least you get to play yourself.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

It wasn't any easier.

[Kevin]

It wasn't?

[Matt Castle]

No, because it was weird. You just.

[Bobby Bones]

I.

[Matt Castle]

That's not what I do.

[Kevin]

Right.

[Matt Castle]

And so all the cameras and you're working with real actors. And they're doing their thing, and all you don't want to do is you just don't want to mess it up.

[Kevin]

Did you ever mess up your line and you're like, I don't know that.

[Matt Castle]

I messed it up, but I don't know that I was good at it. But this movie band slam that we did with Vanessa Hudgens and Phoebe from Friends, Lisa Kudrow.

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Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

I had nine lines. I think I had like 14, but they cut five. Five of them.

[Kevin]

Okay, so basically you crushed.

[Matt Castle]

It was fine. I didn't have. I didn't wear my glasses and I had like a white, like, curly haired Afro. That was my normal hair back then.

[Kevin]

Really?

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, it gets real curly.

[Kevin]

Come on.

[Matt Castle]

So that's what I know Scott from. Scott's a big Broncos fan, so. Yeah, let's go.

[Kevin]

All right.

[Matt Castle]

Hey, Scott. Good to see you, buddy.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, good to see you. Long time.

[Matt Castle]

Why do you say long? We were just talking about this. Why do you say long time?

[Bobby Bones]

Because Austin, Texas. Yeah, we talked way back when Friday Night Lights was first coming out.

[Matt Castle]

Okay. I. I had a. Yes, Austin, Texas is correct. I have a slightly different version of that story, but that's absolutely true because they filmed that in Austin when I was living there. I forgot all about that.

[Kevin]

That's right. Did you go out to the set?

[Matt Castle]

No, I never went to the set.

[Kevin]

But I thought they would use your athletic.

[Matt Castle]

You thought that'd be a player like.

[Kevin]

Scott, Be one of the guys that, you know.

[Matt Castle]

I. I had nine lines in a movie called Bandslam.

[Bobby Bones]

Which you.

[Matt Castle]

You were like the star of the movie. You and Vanessa Hudgens were like the stars of that movie. And so, yeah, we all. My scenes were like a theater on campus. And I was like, I don't know if Scott's gonna remember me, but hey, here we are.

[Kevin]

And he obviously didn't.

[Bobby Bones]

I 100% do remember that. I was just going back even further.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Because we had chatted a couple of times prior to that. Yeah, you were. You're an Austin legend.

[Matt Castle]

So good to see you, buddy. I see. I see Longhorn stuff behind you. And now I'm. I lived in Austin for 13 years, and it's my favorite city. Like, it is my favorite city, but I'm from Arkansas, so we hate the Longhorns. So why do you have Longhorn stuff behind you?

[Bobby Bones]

My wife was actually a cheerleader at the University of Texas. She was there the years that. Why was there. And she actually cheered in the national championship game.

[Matt Castle]

Now Vince Young, the usc, the Matt.

[Kevin]

Castle, I wasn't there. That was a year after I thought I was going to make a lot of money in the locker room, and I sure didn't. That, that was brutal. I also see you're looking like, you're looking like a coach here. I mean, you've got the Broncos swag on you, ready to roll. So obviously you're a Broncos fan. Big, big win this last weekend. Probably the biggest since what, Peyton Manninger.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I would say, man. I mean, getting that big of a lead in the AFC west against that good of a team. Even still, you know, the Chiefs, I know they haven't been putting together, you know, in all three phases this season. That defense is still very good. When Chris Jones is motivated, they're still very dangerous, and Pat Mahomes is still the best in the game. So to get that win, get a cushion in the AFC west, angling for some home field advantage where you can actually play a game or two in Mile High, it was huge. But yeah, massive Broncos fan. Have been all my life from Nebraska originally. And, and when you live in Omaha, Nebraska, you're a free agent. You know, proximity, Chiefs, Broncos, Bears, ish. And there's Cowboys fans everywhere, so. But I grew up watching Elway play in the 80s, lose a lot of games, but just play with moxie that I'd never seen before. So, yeah, Broncos fan my whole life.

[Matt Castle]

Evaluate Bo Nixon, his performance this year as a fan.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I don't want to be Dragon Slayer 69, hiding in the basement.

[Sandy Montag]

You.

[Bobby Bones]

Know, drinking his Mountain Dew like Adam Drotman said. But, you know, at the end of the day, I think everything that Bo has said is what a lot of people are seeing. You know, feet are moving a lot. He's, you know, running out and back from danger, thrown off his back foot a lot. And in Sean Payton's office, you re, you really need to be able to hit these, these middle deep ends, these, you know, outbreaking routes, these corners, you know, to get past that press cover two coverage that a lot of people would like to run on him because, you know, he likes to get the ball to the flats and likes to run a lot of screen game. So you've got to be able to hit that mid level throw. And Bo has missed it a lot this year, but he hit it in a big moment in this last game, dropping one into Troy Franklin, you know, over the corner, under the safety, setting up the final field goal. So for me, it's just, for some reason, it seems like there's a clarity for Bo in the fourth quarter of games, and I just. As a Broncos fan, I think I speak for all of Broncos country. We'd love to just see that clarity for four quarters, you know, but hopefully we can keep pulling it out. Hopefully he keeps on taking a step forward. But, you know, he said this last week, I got to settle my feet down. I got to make sure that I'm planting, and then I'm giving what the defense gives me. And he played a heck of a game this last week against the Chiefs. That. That defense is. Is no slouch. So, you know, Bo is what. What I do love about Bo and what I see from the players is that they believe in him, that he is their quarterback, and they know they will go to war and win with him. They don't feel like they're dragging him anywhere. They just feel like this is a complete team game and defense is stepping up and doing its job. And, you know, if Bo keeps that locker room in that way, I think this team's got a chance.

[Kevin]

So you basically hate Bo Nix until the fourth quarter is what you're telling me.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't hate Bo Nicks at all, ever. We both, baby. But at the end of the day, it's, you know, the week before 10, 7 against the Raiders team that you see Dallas just tear apart on Monday Night Football this week. And the games have been like that consistently, you know, I mean, seven, three and outs against that Raiders defense, a turnover against that Raiders defense. You know, you only get 13 drives in the game and you've only got five what to go get some points. And you only get 10 against the Raiders. I mean, it's. It's tricky. It's really tough. And that game was in the balance until the fourth quarter. And you can look at the way that we've been winning this year. It's all one score games, and a lot of that is just because the offense just does not want to move the ball in the first half of the game. And I don't know who that falls on. I just know what I'm seeing, you know, and I watch every single moment of every single one of these games. You can go back and look back against the Texans. I mean, it's the same story over and over again. Hopefully we can just start fast here after we get this bye week coming up and just be a quick starting team the rest of the year. But no, man, we love Bo. I think he's a really, you know, as long as he settles his accuracy down, he's a great Fit for what Peyton wants to do, and the rest of the offense believes in him.

[Matt Castle]

So I think this is the part of the interview where we actually declared that Scott knows Ball, because we don't always know.

[Kevin]

I was going to say. Yeah, well, I mean, I am thoroughly.

[Matt Castle]

Impressed with his knowledge with actors and musicians. Scott, we kind of weighed in with them to see we never want to go over their head or Scott knows ball, so I feel like we can talk about anything.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, man, let's do it.

[Matt Castle]

Now we go though, to the questions about movies and tv.

[Kevin]

Exactly.

[Matt Castle]

Do you find that people, young kids, are recognizing you from Friday Night Lights even now? Because maybe they're just starting to watch it. Streaming.

[Bobby Bones]

It is streaming, extended the life of Friday Night Lights in a big way. And I don't think any of us expected it to be handed down generationally the way that it is currently. And when I was growing up, I don't know that there was a lot of shows that my folks were able to hand down to me just because it was harder to ever find those unless somebody decided to put, you know, whatever, Cheers on VHS or some late 80s, early 90s show like Coach on DVD. Like, I would never have seen these shows, you know what I mean? And there's a lot of really impactful television back from back in the day that you can start to finally watch now, and I think that's really, really cool. Friday Night Lights was kind of right on the cusp of that. I remember we were one of the first shows that NBC actually put up on their website. You could stream it on the website, which was, you know, that was crazy for us in 2006. And seeing where it's at now, where it's on, like, four different streaming services, it's just so easy to say, hey, this show that a lot of these people loved 20 years ago, and maybe their kids were too young to watch at the time, and now they're watching with their kids. It's awesome, man. It's really, really a cool thing to see. And so, yeah, I would expect that Jason street eventually would not be a character that as many young kids recognize, But I have a lot of. And the fan base is really cool because when they come up, they always come up with a measure of respect. And they're really heartfelt in the way they speak about the show, which is not the same way that all fan bases are with other shows, but they're a really respectful fan base, even the younger kids. And, you know, we have really cool conversations about a show that you know was canceled twice and almost didn't make it past season one or season two. And now it's had this lasting effect. So we have streaming to thank for that, and it's really cool.

[Kevin]

Well, my wife's a big fan. I'm not going to lie. She watches that show religiously. If still, if there's. If there's a moment where we get into the bed and we finally get to watch something late at night, she wants to watch that.

[Matt Castle]

It's comfort. That's her comfort.

[Kevin]

That's her comfort show. I don't know if it was because she's an athlete or anything like that, but she loves the show and I love the show, so congratulations on that. But I want to talk about acting in general, just because I'm always fascinated by people that go into that profession because it's so competitive and there's a lot of parallels in terms of playing in the NFL or what Bobby does that it's super competitive and you got to go in. You got to nail something when you're going out for a specific role. But talk about what that's like for you to go in for a specific role and what that breakthrough moment was when you were younger.

[Bobby Bones]

For me, I was never in the line of thought that I would be an actor. I played football in high school and was an invited walk on to the University of Central Florida. I played receiver and I thought I would use athletics to help my academic cost come down a little bit. I knew I was never going to be a pro, But I ran a 4, 5, 5. I had good hands. I was all right. But at the end of the day, I went to school to be a structural engineer. My grandfather was an Air Force colonel. Very much wanted me to be in the realm of academia. And my parents were very artistic. They had a rock band back in the 80s. I'd go and help my dad set up his drums and then spend the night chilling with the bouncer, playing foosball, or falling asleep in the office manager's office in some saloon in the middle of Nebraska when I was growing up. And I had a little bit of the bug from them, but I always thought it'd be something that I do in my spare time. Make a little cash here and there. That's what my parents did. That was their goal. And then things started to kind of break the right way for me. And I just kept saying yes. And for me, having the athletic background actually played huge into, you know, moving into the world of acting, because every audition is a game in Itself, right?

[Sandy Montag]

And you.

[Bobby Bones]

You don't stack yourself up against the other team, but you got to stack yourself up against yourself. You gotta. You gotta answer for every loss that you have. You have way more of them in this business. You know, I think I've gone out for, I don't know, 200 television pilots, and I booked five of them, and I'm a success. So it's even worse than baseball. You know, the hitting percentages are kind of low, but you just got to keep on competing. And my first pilot season, I was told by somebody that I should just stay in the world of theater because I was up in New York. I was doing an off Broadway show. It was a bit of a hit. You know, I got a singing voice for my mom and a sense of rhythm from my dad, so he's a drummer.

[Sandy Montag]

And.

[Bobby Bones]

And I was. I was doing the live music thing. You know, I'd have been having success. And somebody from Disney Theatricals told me, when I said I wanted to try to, you know, see if I could book a TV show, that I wouldn't amount to anything, that I'd just be the fourth guy on the left on some WB show and be quickly forgotten and I should keep doing theater. And I took that as a big old, okay, just watch. Yeah, watch this. And I started really digging in, you know, watching film, you know, watching as many shows as I could, studying other actors, you know, so there's that kind of element of, you know, when you're. When you're breaking down a game versus what you're trying to do to prepare for an audition and just got myself in the right mindset and went out and competed. And Friday Night Lights was the fifth pilot I ever went out for. And I knew that that show was going to be special. And I just did my research, man. I went and watched that film over and over again. I've probably seen the film of Friday Night lights, you know, 50 times. And I just kind of knew what the film style was. I knew what they were aiming for. I knew what the performance level they were looking for was. And I just tried to deliver that set of plays when I walked into the room, and it worked out. And, you know, I. There's a lot of. Like you said, there's a. There's a lot of parallels between the world of athletics and the world of. Of, you know, artistry, especially in cinema, because you don't always find the coach or the right offensive fit for you. And it's the same thing in film. You don't always find the director or the right writer for you, but if you keep at it, maybe you'll end up in the right system. And luckily I've been able to find the right systems.

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[Matt Castle]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Matt Castle]

I have some buddies here in town because we live in Nashville. Some buddies in town that are artists like Sam Hunt who played college ball, played, you know, a little in the NFL. Riley Green played college ball. But a lot of male artists, there's a lot of former athletes and you look at your career, the juxtaposition of being able to sing, being able to do theater and act, also being a great athlete. And again it seems like that juxtaposition, it feels odd because both usually don't happen at the same time. But what I've noticed with them is as well, and I've talked about this with them, is that a lot of what they learned in sports, like the dealing with adversity, it's what you just talked about is actually what makes them a great artist. Because they can take a lot of the no's when they come to town. Work ethic is a massive part of it. So it's dealing with adversity. It's listening back, watching back tape, and.

[Bobby Bones]

Then.

[Matt Castle]

Just continuing to go and grow. And I feel like that's kind of what you just said. But were you an athlete or a creative first?

[Bobby Bones]

I was an athlete first. I mean, I grew up, like I said, in Nebraska, where, you know, Husker football is your religion. The College World Series happened in Omaha, where I was growing up. We went every single year. And, you know, there is a drive that you learn through athletics that you can apply almost everywhere. There is a stick to it. Iveness that you have to learn, you know, get knocked down, get back up, get knocked down, get back up. And I think a lot of people don't understand in the world of music or television, film, you get knocked down so much, and you just have to be able to keep getting back up. And, yeah, those parallels are all there. But I was athletic first, and I was. I was also academic first. You know, I took AP courses in high school and college, AP calc and AP physics, and. And set myself up, like I said, to be a structural engineer. And music, to me is all math. And really, filmmaking kind of has their own formulas as well. So I think I come at this business a little bit different than most people. I come at it from a number standpoint to inform the artistry and then allow the artistry to kind of come in at the end. But I look at the numbers and the formulas and, you know, the rhythms and see how to get everything lined up and then make, you know, like the last decisions. And that's kind of what, like, a quarterback has to do, right? You get up to the line, you've got the play, everything's all set, you're completely prepared. You've done this thing over and over and over again hundreds of times in practice. You walk up and you see that the defense is doing something you've never seen before, and you get to freestyle. And that's like how I look at what I do kind of, you know, we prep, we prep, we prep, we get to set. And then the actor on the other.

[Sandy Montag]

Side of the.

[Bobby Bones]

Scene, for me, says something in a way I'd never heard before. And then we get to play, and that's, you know, that's set, hut. Now we're moving and freestyling, and that's kind of cool. Yeah.

[Kevin]

Bobby, I don't know if you saw last week he's done with reality television. But you also were on reality television. You're on the Masked Singer. I don't know if you saw that he went off, but you got to.

[Bobby Bones]

Look it up if you did.

[Matt Castle]

This is not about me.

[Kevin]

Oh, that was awesome, by the way. But do you have a beef with reality television? But more importantly, talk to me about why you did Mass Singer. You finished second, right? You were incredible on it.

[Bobby Bones]

I did finish second to somebody that Bobby mentioned earlier in this interview, Vanessa Hudgens. We were. We were competing in the same season together, and I should have known from the start that I wasn't going to get it. But at the end of the day, again, like, I did it because for a long time, Hollywood had rules and boundaries set up that if you wanted to be a film actor, you could be nothing but a film actor. If you were a film actor and then you went and did something on television, oh, my God, you're not allowed to be in film anymore. If you were a television actor and you went and did like a run in a musical, oh, my God, now you can't be a television actor anymore. And it was such an odd thing. So I came from a very musical background and I came out to Hollywood and I still wanted to sing. And a lot of people were telling me, oh, that's cute. You did, you know, musicals in New York. But now you're. You're a television actor. Now you gotta be a television actor. And I had to kind of put that part away for a while. And it was such a big part of my life growing up. And when they showed up and asked, I mean, at first I was definitely like, I don't know if I can do this. And then I was like, but wait, Meryl Streep's on a half hour on Hulu. And, you know, people you never knew could sing or on Broadway doing. It's like, it's such a cool world now where everybody's really allowed to do all of the things that they're good at. And it's applauded now, whereas it used to be kind of poo pooed back in the day. As far as reality television, I'm a Survivor fan. Have been ever since it came on to the point that I lived in Tokyo for a year singing and beatboxing, and my mom recorded Survivor Amazon on VHS and sent it to me so I could watch it when I was living in Japan. So massive fan of the kind of competition reality stuff. Not all of it, but the stuff that has, like, real Competitive elements I am a fan of because I look at them as kind of like the world's greatest game shows. Like it's a million dollar prize at the end of Survivor. That's a game show. So I kind of, you know, I lay out on most of the other stuff, the Housewives stuff, all that. The only show I do watch with my wife every week is Below Deck on. On Bravo, so gotta give that one a shout out. But I'm not a huge fan of reality, but the experience of masked singer was really pretty freeing for me. And everybody does a show like that for different reasons, but that was really for me. And it's rare in this business you get to do something for you. And that was my one.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, I had to dance with the stars because the network made me do it still. And then. And then I won. And then people still kill me for it. That's what he's referring to at a. I have a hurt. I don't get to see my foot. But I. I tore my ankle recently and I was on pain pills last week and I would just. I melted down about Dancing with the Stars, so it was a whole issue. Scott. Hey, give me.

[Bobby Bones]

But you won.

[Matt Castle]

I did win. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Hold on. Wow. Yeah, you've got. You've got like the golden crystal ball or whatever it's called.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, the mirror ball. I mailed it back.

[Kevin]

He's sending it back.

[Matt Castle]

Because I was pissed. I mailed it back. But I did win. I did win the show. But, hey, give me your Mount Rushmore. I'm going to do this double. Mount Rushmore of Denver Broncos, all time, your favorite. And then I want non bronco, Mount Rushmore as well. So it's two different sets of four.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, man, you are really catching me here. All time. Mount Rushmore. Denver Broncos players demarius, John Elway, TD Steve Atwater.

[Kevin]

That's a great list.

[Matt Castle]

Wow. No, no.

[Kevin]

Nailed it.

[Matt Castle]

No McCaffrey.

[Kevin]

No McCaffrey. But I mean Atwater. Unbelievable.

[Matt Castle]

No Peyton.

[Kevin]

No Peyton. But Peyton was only there for a few years.

[Matt Castle]

But Peyton did win the Super Bowl. I'm not judging his list.

[Bobby Bones]

Here's what you guys got to understand. As an 80s kid who is a Broncos fan, I don't think there's many of me around. I came up. I watched Elway's magic against the Browns, you know, a couple of times, and I watched him take teams that were lower in talent level and go up against these NFC juggernauts, you know, losing against the former Redskins, you know, now commanders with Doug Williams. Watching them get, you know, crushed by the Giants and they get blown out 55 to 10 by the Niners and in 1990, and Elway dragged those teams to Super Bowls and then finally got to in the late 90s. So anybody who's my age that's been around for this long, I don't. I think a lot of young fans are like, oh, Peyton's one of the greatest of all time. But when Elway retired, he led the league in wins, the one stat that matters more than anything else. He also led the league in fourth quarter or overtime comebacks when he retired. And that is just a will to win, man. And that's where, like, Bo gets little shades, you know, little shades of that. A lot of fourth quarter comes backs for this little kid, you know, for this younger guy, you know, he's. He's a long way off. But. But Elway. I don't think people understand how great Elway was. And his arm. Oh, my God. And the guy that I really struggle not putting up there and if DT is not on there is Shannon Sharpe. Shannon Sharpe's also on. On that Mount Rushmore for me. So if it's not dt, it's Shannon Sharp. And that's the biggest decision point. That's why I took the pause in the beginning. But. But Atwater was just. He was the hardest hitter you've ever seen. TD came in and is in the hall of Fame with a shortened career because they tore his knee up. And in la. I just don't. I don't think there's an argument there.

[Matt Castle]

Do the other. Do the non Bronco four. Non Bronco four.

[Bobby Bones]

Non Bronco four.

[Kevin]

He's like, I don't know anybody else that plays in the league. I only know Broncos only.

[Bobby Bones]

No Broncos, non Bronco 4. I mean, it's got to be. It's got to be Brady. It's got to be Rice.

[Sandy Montag]

And.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, man, this is.

[Sandy Montag]

Man, this.

[Bobby Bones]

The league is so deep. It's been around for so long. Barry Sanders. I gotta find somebody defensively, man, and it's. It's really tough. You've, you know, you've got Dion, you've got Lawrence Taylor. LT changed the league completely. The reason left tackles get paid today is because of what Lawrence Taylor did. So I'm going to put LT on there. Lawrence Taylor, Barry Sanders, Jerry Rice, Tom Brady.

[Matt Castle]

That's a solid.

[Kevin]

That is a solid.

[Matt Castle]

I'd have put Matt Castle on there. My favorite quarterback of all time.

[Kevin]

That's right.

[Matt Castle]

But you know what? That's you. It's your own Mount Rushmore.

[Kevin]

It's your own Mount Rushmore. Do you actually get to get out to any games? Because that environment, the Broncos stadium at Mile High, there's not many places that you go and you're a little bit intimidated by, but they.

[Matt Castle]

Do you play there?

[Kevin]

Yes. Played there multiple times because I used to play for the Chiefs. And every time we went there, I mean, that crowd gets after it. Great cheerleaders, too.

[Bobby Bones]

We love it, man. I mean, I get to go to games. Yeah. I get to go even more now that the Chargers are in LA as well. And I get to go to, you know, one game a year where I live, which is kind of cool, but I go to. I go to Denver and I still.

[Matt Castle]

Call it Mile High.

[Bobby Bones]

I know it's got a bunch of other names, you know, but it's still. It's still, to me, Mile High. But the coolest thing was two Thanksgivings ago. Great game, Broncos, Vikings, Thanksgiving weekend. And I got to take my kids. My son is a Rams fan. He's come by it naturally through the pandemic. His favorite color was green. When he was 4, he thought he was an Eagles fan. Then he came to his senses when he was five. He, Aaron Donald was his favorite player, 100%. He's seen the Rams won a Super bowl. So, you know, and my daughter is kind of split, and I asked them if they wanted to go and they said, yeah, we went. We got to go down on the field. They got to meet Thunder, which is the horse's name. We got to see the flyover. We got to see guys parachute in. But the coolest thing about it is, and even you can even hear it on radio calls, every time a quarterback throws an incomplete pass, the stadium announcer comes on and says in the opposing quarterbacks passes, and the entire crowd yells complete at the quarterback, which is so good. They have little metal stanchions down on the. On, you know, over the cement. So when you. When you stomp that metal is hitting that concrete, it gets so loud, it gets so great. I mean, you played in one of the loudest stadiums that this world has ever seen in Arrowhead. But I like to think Mile High gives it a run for its money. And we, we love our franchise, especially the fans that came up with Pat Boland, who's maybe, you know what? He should be on Mount Rushmore. Pat Boland is the greatest Bronco of all time, because what he did as an owner for so long, I mean, set the record for, you know, consecutive playoff appearances by a Franchise made all the right moves, made great coaching hires, really loved and knew the sport of football. So, you know, I think we respect him so much and we were just, you know, I think we have a really solid fan base because we had owners who cared and we had players who would fight for them. And it's pretty cool club to be a part of.

[Matt Castle]

Final question. Greatest in person game you've ever been to?

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, man. You know, my wife would tell you it was the Big 12 championship where sue and Dominican sue almost single handedly destroyed Texas and Colt McCoy threw a ball out of bounds and somehow There was still 1 second left on the clock and then they kick a field goal to beat us. That was one of the greatest games I've ever been to, even though the Huskers came out on the wrong side of it. But, man, let's see. Probably. And it doesn't involve my team. I mean, I should say Super Bowl 50, you know, defensive battle. I was there in Santa Clara. I watched a very similar performance by the Broncos defense, shut Cam Newton down and actually get the win. That was, that was. I should say that, but I was in the end zone as Plaxico Burris caught a touchdown to beat the undefeated Patriots in the super bowl in Arizona.

[Sandy Montag]

Dang.

[Kevin]

I was there, too.

[Matt Castle]

He was there too.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, even as a, even as a guy, like as a Broncos fan at Super Bowl 50, but as just a fan overall, like the magnitude of that game and the plays that happened in it, the Tyree catch and I mean, just so much happened in that game, it was insane.

[Matt Castle]

So it's funny to hear two different perspectives on that game.

[Kevin]

Yeah, that one hurt. That one hurt for sure. I was right there witnessing the same thing going. It's from such a different perspective.

[Sandy Montag]

Point.

[Matt Castle]

Scott Porter knows ball. That's awesome. Hey, Scott, Congratulations, man. I know you're in the middle of filming Jenny and Georgia now, but congratulations on it and just, just everything. It's really cool and it was fun to talk to you because again, we, we, we tiptoe when we have actors on because we don't know if they actually know anything about ball. So thanks for coming on. Really appreciate it. And what a year for the Broncos, man. I hope, for your sake, I hope they continue to perform well.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, man, I do too. You know, Broncos country, stand up. You know, we're gonna, we're gonna stick by our team, but let's do this again sometime. We'll actually jump in and talk a little bit of deeper football or, or whatever sport, you know, but I appreciate you guys having me on. You know, we finish up season four here soon, so the fans will hopefully settle down. Jenny and Georgia, Season four.

[Matt Castle]

Well, they told us not to ask. They told us not to ask about it at all. So they said don't ask about.

[Kevin]

He's not saying anything.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

So we just said, hey, we know you're shooting it. So when it's done, come back and we'll talk. That way that we've cleared all the like life questions. We'll just talk ball.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, he's into that.

[Matt Castle]

All right, Scott, good to see you, buddy.

[Sandy Montag]

Definitely into that.

[Bobby Bones]

Thanks. See y'.

[Ryan Seacrest]

All.

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[Bobby Bones]

Let me start by saying it's a.

[Matt Castle]

Great day to be a gray shirt team Rubicon. You know, it truly is a team.

[Bobby Bones]

Those folks, myself included, all had one.

[Matt Castle]

Desire which is helping folks in disaster.

[Sandy Montag]

Trying to be a little bit of.

[Bobby Bones]

Hope in a really, really bad situation.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It's like magic you guys. So put down your doom scroller and pick up your faith in humanity and join me, Jenna for the Ripple effect. It's a reminder that you can start a ripple that changes everything. You really can.

[Matt Castle]

We give just that nugget of hope helping other people.

[Bobby Bones]

For some of our gray shirts, it's.

[Matt Castle]

During a time when they need help.

[Bobby Bones]

And by helping others it helps them.

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[Matt Castle]

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[Matt Castle]

Now we're going to go over and talk with John Madden's longtime agent, Sandy Montag. Sandy has represented some of the biggest names in sports over the years like Bob Costas, Jim Nance, Mike Tirico, Scott Van Pelt, and many more. Big thanks to Sandy for joining us as the NFL continues to celebrate and honor the late John Madden with their 4th annual John Madden Thanksgiving celebration tomorrow. And with that being said, here he is, Sandy Montagu. Hey Sandy, it's Bobby here.

[Bobby Bones]

How are you?

[Sandy Montag]

Hey Bobby, how you doing?

[Matt Castle]

Pretty good. Where are you right now? You look like you're up tall in the building.

[Sandy Montag]

I am in New York City at our offices near the World Trade center site.

[Matt Castle]

Man, I love New York except for, well, starting about December because I don't like the cold. Do you get out of there when it gets cold, Sandy, or do you stay and just eat it?

[Bobby Bones]

Both.

[Sandy Montag]

You have to. I mean we're based here so you gotta eat a little bit of it. I do have a place in Miami that I like Miami better in the winter, but. Born and raised in New York, went to school in Syracuse. So you just figure it out?

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, your blood's probably used to it a little more than mine. And I was reading a lot about your life and Your history as we're going to talk about John Madden a little bit. But when you leave Syracuse, how long until you actually meet John?

[Sandy Montag]

I was on the Madden summer roll crew. I was a stats guy at Syracuse besides going to school once in a while. So I did like when ESPN came up to do like the biggest game of the week, I did stats for the talent. And then when I got out, I got on the Madden summer roll crew, like doing stats in the truck. And then maybe two months into that, someone says, hey, Madden needs someone to travel with them by train. You should talk to him. And I said, all right, you know, so I met with them and told him I love trains, I'd never been on a train in my life and got the job.

[Matt Castle]

And so, you know, we've heard the story forever about how he did not like to fly. Can you lend to that a little? Because it sounds like it was true, but he just would not want to fly for any reason whatsoever.

[Sandy Montag]

Well, he flew when he coached the Raiders. He, they chartered and they Chartered, I think DC10 is pretty big airplane. He was never a great flyer, just. But he, but he did it. You know, when you fly private on your flying charters, you can move around. He sat with the pilot. Then when he started doing broadcasting, you know, you sit in, even if it's first class, you're in seat 4B and you're locked in. And he just started having panic attacks. And he didn't know, he didn't, he went to a doctor, like, is there something wrong with me? And so he had claustrophobia, you know, and he didn't like when he would stay at hotels, he wouldn't like going, you know, we're on the 20th floor here, would not come up to this office. He would always want to be like only the only person in an elevator.

[Bobby Bones]

He.

[Sandy Montag]

So he was not. Didn't have a fear of flying. He had, he had claustrophobia.

[Matt Castle]

And the relationship developed between you guys, what do you think it was about your personalities that matched?

[Sandy Montag]

Well, I was, you know, I was pretty street smart and he was the smartest person that I ever met in any subject, not just football. And I think that, you know, we just hit it off. Like, I like traveling, I liked seeing the country on trains. I like talking to people. He would talk to strangers for hours. You know, we just, we just had a little, just a fascination over different things really. And you know, deal making was kind of like growing up. I always had a newspaper out or bagels or selling T shirts or. I just always Selling stuff. And I think he liked the business act of man. We just kind of bonded over certain things early on, you know, just as guys.

[Matt Castle]

You mentioned how smart he was. And for me, in my mind, I can picture a few different things, but they're all larger than life, so they don't seem like a real person. Meaning. I can see the videos. I wasn't obviously alive when he was coaching the Raiders, but I can see the videos of that. I remember him in the booth. And Summerall was an Arkansas guy. I'm from Arkansas. So we were always, like, super proud that that happened. And then I can see him, you know, as part of the video game, which I've had every single year since it has been out. Like, that has been a massive part of my life. So, I don't know. You say he was really smart. Was he extremely studious?

[Sandy Montag]

No, but he knew. Well, he read a lot. He was a student of history.

[Bobby Bones]

He.

[Sandy Montag]

All types of history, you know, whether it's football history, whether it's American history. You know, he loved John Steinbeck Travels with Charlie. You know, when we would travel the country, he would like to go into small towns he wouldn't want to go to, you know, a chain up on Highway 80, which is always just like, very inquisitive, you know, and just. And he just. There were a lot of times, like, you know, when I started traveling with him, I was 22, you know, and then I was meeting people, maybe dating, and he would, you know, he would tell me, no, these are the type of people you should be dating. And he would just have an opinion about everything. You know, he. He's like a master psychologist in a way. And then that's really. You know, he studied that, too. So he just. And throughout my life, you know, when I had a problem or a question or you come to a fork in the road, I would ask him something, and, like, I hang up the phone, I'm like, why didn't I think of that? He just. He just knew a little bit about everything.

[Matt Castle]

How would you prepare on the train for the games that you were going to cover?

[Sandy Montag]

Well, back in the day, he was a. The first broadcaster to go to practice, number one. So when he became a broadcaster, 1980, broadcasters, basically what you did, you get in the night before you meet with the PR director for the NFL teams and you do the game. And he was like, well, when are we going to practice? Well, we don't go to practice. They're not going to let us in. He goes, I'm going to I'm going to get in a day early, I'm going to practice. All right, go to practice. So now it's every broadcaster and every sport goes to practice. You also get game tape. Now it's sent on, you know, on the Internet or back then I carried a 60 pound bell and Howell projector where we would have teams would send us the game tape and we would watch that whether it's on the train or whether it's when we got to the city we're going to. And you know, John was a student of, you know, of watching film and even like on the Saturday before the game, in the production meeting, myself, Pat Summerall, producer, director John, we would watch hours of game tape and you know, Summerall probably was good for the first 45 minutes to an hour. And then he, a lot of times he'd say, I think we have this. And John would kind of look at him, we're only halfway. So it's, it's. John was over prepared. Like he wanted to feel when he was doing a game, in his mind he knew more about those two teams than any two people besides the coaches, you know, and that's. And he wanted to feel that when.

[Matt Castle]

Was the graduation from the train to the bus that I think about when I think about the traveling.

[Sandy Montag]

So we did a couple of years, I did a couple of years on the train and then he had to be somewhere fast so CBS chartered him a bus. It was Dolly Parton's bus and he took it and basically got off that thing and said we need to get a bus. So he did an interview actually on PBS saying we're going to look. And the president of Greyhound lines in 87 contacted us and said, heard John's looking for a bus, we want to give him a bus. And that really started the first Madden cruise and really one of the first. When I transitioned from gopher to quote unquote agent, that was really one of the first deals I did. Number one, we lucked into a computer game which we had no idea what it was or where it was going. And then the bus and then that changed his life really. You know, coast to coast. Amtrak is 72 hours. You have to change trains in Chicago. He can now go coast to coast in 50 hours. Non stop sleep, Satellite television, the whole, it just, it's like having a private plane that went 70 miles an hour.

[Matt Castle]

You talk about the Madden game. That to me is the game I've by far played more than any game in my entire life. I've had every year of it since its existence. You say you guys didn't know what you were getting into. What do you mean by that?

[Sandy Montag]

Well, ea, which was Electronic Arts, was founded by the guy by the name of Trip Hawkins. He went to Harvard, designed his own major, applied game theory. He had like, he had a basketball game, he had Larry Bird, Dr. J basketball. He had an Earl Weaver baseball. And he approached us and said, hey, we want to do a football game and put, you know, call it John Madden Football. And John was like, I have no idea what you're talking about. So he came on for a train ride, kind of explained what it is and how they're doing it. And it came out on computers, on Apple computers. And you know, the problem back then with computer memory, you could only have 8, 8 on 8. So they didn't have enough computer memory to have 22 players. And John said, I'm not putting my name on a game unless it's authentic. And so we thought, you know, this guy will go away. It took two years really for them to figure the technology part of it out. But we never really had the confidence that this was going anywhere. You know, I mean, we're talking late 80s, so there was no video games as we know it now. And we both, you know, they wanted to give him money and put his name on it and, and we just wanted to be more involved in it really. And you know, I remember us talking, saying we should really ask for like a buck or two a game. And he's, he's like, it doesn't make a difference. They're never going to sell one. And you know, 150 million units later, it kind of worked, but, you know, at the time we just didn't think it would ever come out.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Matt Castle]

There are just so many elements of popular culture that reflect John Madden's influence. If it's snl, when they would do sketches and if it's drawing on the screen even outside of snl, if it's the video game. When for you guys did you start to realize that he was being known as just more than a broadcaster?

[Sandy Montag]

Well, you know, he did a Miller Light commercial In the early 80s that was number one, the bus. Because you know, he teamed with Pat Summerall, the bus kind of became a thing. And I think the video game came out in 1989 and I think it was wildly successful early on. And I think, you know, right around the early 90s, to me it used to, it just became like during that time John and Michael Jordan were the two biggest things in advertising. We were getting offers, Ace Hardware, 10 actin, you know, diet Coke. It just at that time we started like, you know, I was busy, the phone was ringing, something's going on here, you know. And the thing about him though, like he, he never took himself seriously. Like when, when we, there may have been articles on like the branding of John Madden and he's like, what are they talking about? I'm a football coach, you know, and I think he was so authentic, but I think in our world he was Larger than life. And I think the video game and I think the popularity of football on television really changed that. And then you have Rupert Murdoch getting into taking the NFL from CBS. John moving over to Fox in 1994, that was big too, you know, that was huge. Fox getting into the business. So I think early 90s was a time where I think he became larger, started to become larger than life.

[Matt Castle]

Was that a hard decision for you guys to switch networks?

[Sandy Montag]

No, there was about 8 million reasons why we wanted to go there.

[Kevin]

So.

[Sandy Montag]

But it was just one of those things where, look, CBS loses it, right? So we have to go somewhere, you know, and there was ABC was interested in going, you know, Monday Night Football. And you know, I've told the story before, but basically Rupert Murdoch calls me and Barry Frank, who is my boss at IMG and says, give me a number for John Madden, I'll call you back in five minutes. And we gave him a number. He didn't call back. A CFO called back within five minutes and said, what's the address for the contract? So it was just like Rupert Murdoch. It was, that's not like, you know, it's playing poker at a different level really. But I remember him telling me before John did the first preseason game in the summer of 94 for Fox. Rupert said they earned back his entire four year contract already in the amount of advertising they sold.

[Kevin]

Wow.

[Matt Castle]

Was it or how comfortable or uncomfortable was it because you come on with John and you are so much of an underling and now you're representing him and you are, you're his tentacles outside talking to everyone. How did that relationship mature and was it so much easier for you guys to trust each other because of all those years you had invested each other in each other on the train and on the bus?

[Sandy Montag]

Well, he didn't want me to leave the road. You know, I did, I think two years on the bus. I think I traveled with him for three or four years and then super bowl, maybe it was a Super bowl in 89, you know, I, I said, hey, you know, I had met someone number one. And I, you know, I was starting to represent, you know, one or two other people really. And I said, look, I, I want to get someone else to go on the bus with you. I want to stay in our offices at IMG in New York. And we didn't say we had an argument about it, but we had a real emotional conversation about it that, you know, he said, you're never going to amount to anything having your feet up on a desk in New York, eating a bagel, said, you got, if you're going to be successful, you got to get out there on the road. You have to meet people. You have to, you know, and even to this day, I go to a lot of games and I see clients who are broadcasters or GMs or executives, coaches. And, you know, it's. I think he instilled in me, like, to be successful in this business, you can't just do it in an office. So it was a hard thing. It worked. You know, we found someone else to do the road job. But, you know, our relationship was deep enough where he trusted me and I made a point of. I still probably went to a half a dozen games of his each year. So, you know, it worked. But I couldn't really, you know, Mark McCormack founded IMG and I really had something going at IMG and I really couldn't further that career. Always being in Lincoln, Nebraska.

[Matt Castle]

How much did it matter to you that John made the hall of Fame?

[Sandy Montag]

I, he, you know, he said to me, besides his kids being born, it was the happiest day of his life. You know, I was, we were there in Detroit when, you know, they announced it on the Saturday before and it was on NFL Network and, you know, they announced the names. There were six people that year. It's just his name. And I, you know, it was just like euphoria in that room. There were maybe half a dozen of us, Fred Gudelli, John's son, Mike, Al Michaels, and, you know, a lot of tears. It was, he wanted to go in as a coach, not as a contributor or as a broadcaster. You know, he was 108 and 32. That's the highest winning percentage of any coach who's coached 100 games. And, you know, it was a long time coming. And that was 2006. He coached his last game in 1979. 32 losses in 10 years. I mean, he should have been in the hall of Fame earlier, but it was for him, it was just, it made it all worthwhile. And he went back every year after that just to be part of the ceremony. We donated the original Madden cruiser to the hall of Fame. So underprivileged kids in the Midwest can, you know, come to the hall of Fame and learn about football history. There's a broadcasting wing there named for him. It's just, you know, that and the super bowl win, Super Bowl 11 are the two biggest professional accomplishments for him. 16 Emmys he could care about.

[Matt Castle]

You know, we were actually work for the NFL. This is An NFL podcast. It's a property of NFL. And so you know, with the NFL and MAD and Thanksgiving and that relationship and that celebration, how did that get started? Like what, what were the strings and like what was the, what's the goal of it?

[Sandy Montag]

Well, first when, when John retired in 0809 and I got the sense he was just not enjoying traveling as much. He missed his grandkids and all that. And you know, his wife called me and said, look, I don't know what you have planned, but I didn't sign up for this retirement thing so you got to keep them, find something to do. I had a conversation with commissioner Goodell about and they had become friends and I said, you know, let's find a role for John within the NFL where he can be, have a meaningful, you know, relationship and also do some meaningful work. So he became a special advisor to Roger and also co chaired the player safety committee which reported to the competition committee. So he was engaged for a decade and then look, he passed. It'll be four years next month. And you know, Roger is one of the first people I called. I thought the NFL should announced this really. And you know, then we, we kind of, Roger wonder if he formed a small committee, say all right, we want to honor John in some way. What should we do? And you know, the committee all agreed John loved Thanksgiving. It was his favorite holiday. It's yeah, there are six legged turkeys and turducken. And he loved Thanksgiving. He loved being at a game, whether it's Detroit or Dallas. He loved it. And I think he became part of America on that day. And we all agreed that, you know, we need to honor him on Thanksgiving. And you know, the commissioner and the teams that are playing, you know, basically agreed that with that and there will be, you know, his name will be on all field, on all three fields that are playing that day. There'll be a special coin which I could probably show you, I just got a copy of it which will be, you know, flip with his head and a turducken on the tail and there'll be a player of the game. And you know, it's, I think he's probably looking down saying, you guys got it right. If, if you're going to honor me, this is the way I want to be honored on Thanksgiving. And I think, you know, I think we did get it right and it feels, it just feels like Madden Sandy.

[Matt Castle]

I really appreciate the generosity coming on with me giving me 20, 25 minutes to talk about John and I'm a Massive fan of just all that you've done in many capacities. But to be able to spend this time and just talk about John means a lot. So thank you for your time. I hope you have a great.

[Sandy Montag]

I just want to show you the coin.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, let me see. I didn't want to make you get up.

[Sandy Montag]

Oh, it's okay. Yeah. So they. These are the coins that will be.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, that's cool.

[Sandy Montag]

Flipped on thanked on Thanksgiving Day. All three. Those are three different ones with the teams that are playing. So it's going to be real cool, and it was great being with you. And happy Thanksgiving.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, you too, Sandy. Have a great day, man. Thank you very much.

[Bobby Bones]

Take care.

[Sandy Montag]

All right, before we go, I have.

[Matt Castle]

Adjusted my power rankings for the week. We are still sitting with the Rams at number one. The Eagles fell from their loss with the Cowboys. We'll hear more from them in a second. I do have the Broncos at number two, even though, again, they've been winning. Barely, barely, barely. And I got the Chiefs now number three, at six and five. That's right. They were number four last week. But I've got the Chiefs now sitting right in that third spot with a record of six and five. I got the Eagles at fourth with eight and three. And you know your pet, your Pats? Oh, they're. I'm leaving them. They're not there for them. What are they, 10 and 2?

[Sandy Montag]

Yep.

[Matt Castle]

They're fifth. I'm not letting them jump over the Eagles quite yet.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay.

[Matt Castle]

The Eagles did lose. What? The Pats do, beat the Bengals. Yeah. But it was a gritty win. Doesn't that count? It shouldn't have been a tough, gritty win. You know, Drake May's never thrown for 300 yards.

[Sandy Montag]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

When they said that on the broadcast.

[Bobby Bones]

That actually surprised me.

[Matt Castle]

It surprised me, too. The Colts were on deck last week. They're still on deck. So I did think it was a pretty good look for the Colts in a loss, meaning they did go to Kansas City and lose a close game. They played their faces off, so not a lot has changed. Except the Chiefs are exactly who I said they were. Everybody giving up on them. I'm not even a Chiefs fan. I don't know why I defend them so much. Okay, that's what's up. Thank you guys for being here. Hope you have an awesome holiday, and thanks to our guests. And that's Matt Castle. That's Kickoff. Kevin, That's Brandon Ray. I'm Bobby Bones. We've had lots to say.

[Sandy Montag]

Goodbye, everybody.

[Matt Castle]

Lots to say with Bobby Bones. And Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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