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The Bobby Bones Show
MON PT 2: Bobby's One Man Show + Addresses Troll Comments About The Show (Podcast)
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Bobby Bones
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Bobby
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Bobby Bones
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
Disclaimer Clouds are wholly unable to support.
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Bobby
The weight of an adult human. What's happening? Furthermore, clouds are not numbered. Even if you procured a jetpack and searched, you'd find no cloud numbered 9.
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Bowen Yang
However, at that altitude, you'd likely be.
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Bobby
Frightened of FL of migrating snow geese.
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Bowen Yang
Geese who'd encourage you to leave your.
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Bobby
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Matt Rogers
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang just won Podcast of the Year at this year's iHeart Podcast Awards.
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Bobby
Oh, wow.
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Bowen Yang
You're kidding. Stop it.
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Matt Rogers
Lady Gaga will take home the Innovator award at Monday's iHeartradio Music Awards. Now these iHeart Award winners are teaming up on a break. Brand new episode of Las Culturistas. Thank you so much for having me here, but please, please, please don't make me get angry about anything in public. Just open the free iHeartRadio app, search Las Culturistas and listen now.
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Bobby
Hello everybody. Bobby here. You probably realize show's on vacation. And so I hate having a rerun. I hate having to put up podcast reruns. I hate. That is not what this is. This is not a rerun. So you don't even have to enjoy it. But I just want to make sure that something is up, something that is somewhat new and something that is somewhat compelling. And mostly I have a checklist of stuff that I've been meaning to talk about for a long time that I've not been able to talk about. So I figure, what better time than right now as I'm sitting alone on vacation making notes for when we get back very soon. I like to first start with dairy. Up on my list. Have dairy. I can no longer have dairy. I can have it. I just can't have it for a long time. I would say probably my whole life I did not know that I. I won't say allergic, but that my body does not agree with dairy. Now what sucks about that is I love cheese. Never been a big milk guy, unless it's cereal. And then I love milk and cereal, but love cheese. All kinds of cheese. Love cereal. Would eat multiple bowls a day. Love it. So it's been difficult to not eat dairy, especially when it comes to things I didn't even know dairy was in. Like, I would order a smoothie and I would try to keep it clean. And I had no idea. Now, this is just because I didn't look, but I had no idea that whey protein was dairy. So here I am. I've eliminated 95% of dairy and I'm drinking a smoothie and I'm telling my wife, like, my stomach hurts. She's like, well, track back, you know, what you've had. And I've had smoothie. And what's in your smoothie? Strawberries, coconut water, blah, blah. Protein. What kind of protein? Whey protein. Well, there you go. So the dairy thing has been difficult. Way more difficult than I thought. And I'm not even going to say that it makes me feel so much better, but I just don't feel terrible when I'm not eating cheese, having any milk or any dairy at all. But it is difficult. So, I mean, I'm like a third vegan at this point, and not even on purpose, but that's been a bit of a change in my life. Even if I order like a burger, there are some places that will order Ubereats or Doordash or whichever the service is that can get here the quickest. And they don't offer to take the cheese off the burger. And so it gets here and I've got a fork and I got to scrape the stupid thing off. So that's number one. Number one is my life is a bit different because I don't get to drink milk or use milk and cereal or eat any kind of cheese at all. And that sucks because I love it so much. That's number one on my list of ways that my life has changed in the past four to five months. I was in my therapist's office this past week, and I guess for the few weeks we've been talking about being a perfectionist. I do not consider myself a perfectionist in any way. I have friends that I feel like are perfectionists. I feel like I am the exact opposite of a perfectionist. Now, me feeling that I'm not a perfectionist doesn't mean that I feel like I don't work hard or I'm not tirelessly putting in effort, or I'm not consistently and constantly trying to be better. But to me, perfectionism seems like it would be counter to what I'm trying to accomplish, because I will easily try something I'm not good at, not be deterred if it doesn't go well. I'll just do it again. I'll just do it again. And my goal isn't for it to be perfect because I don't believe there is perfection, actually. But I'm sitting in my therapist's office and mostly it's me trying to figure out how to find just generally happiness or how to be okay with it when I do find it, how to not have guilt about it if I do have it for a second, how to acknowledge it Before I start assigning other thoughts to. Well, I don't think I'm going to be happy very long, so I better get ready or. Well, this went pretty well, but if I don't start killing myself now, it's never going to go well again. So I think it's kind of just like sitting inside of happiness. And so I like to read. I don't like to be the person that talks a lot about liking to read because those people tend to be annoying. Not people that read, but people that always talk about how much they read. I don't even mind people talking about great books they have read and passing them along. But it's the people that always want to talk about how much they read or how often they read that annoy me a little bit because I feel like they're only saying that because they want you to know that it's like the person with the big fake library in their house and they got all these books and, you know, they didn't read any of that crap. Or it's like the person that does CrossFit and has to tell you all about it. Or it's like the person that is a new vegan. I would say dairy, but I'm only a third vegan. I don't talk about it much, but I'm telling you, it has helped me a ton as far as like not having to be in the bathroom for an hour because I'd go to the bathroom for an hour and nothing would happen. It just felt like I needed to go to the bathroom. But I'm telling you, it wasn't like I was in the bathroom for an hour and I would be in there and bathrooming would be happening. There'd be no bathroom happening anyway. Off dairy. Off dairy for the most part. What I haven't tried, though, is the lactaid. I don't feel that I've been in a place long enough because if I'm going to eat dairy and tempt lactaid, I need to be somewhere that I'm comfortable if all doesn't go right, you know what I'm saying? Because when I was having big stomach and digestion issues, I had tubes everywhere. Like I thought I was sick. I thought something was broken inside of me. So I had the old tube up the butt. The colonoscopy, I had the other one, the endoscopy. They're looking at different things, but they're both oscopies. So not comfortable. Then you got to do the thing the day before where you don't eat, but then you drink like super soaker liquid. I'm not even sure what it is. And then I go to the doctor and he's like, man, you got the colonoscopy or the colon of a 9 year old? He actually didn't say that, but he was like, yeah, you look great. And so I framed up that picture. Picture of my colon in a frame with a heart over it that says Nashville right next to my bed. And it's like, well, if there's nothing wrong with me inside, then what's wrong with me? This is me getting back to therapy. And there's very much stress induced digestive issues. And you may have heard me talk before about stress. I don't feel stressed. Not that I don't feel stress as in I'm a superhero. I feel no stress. I generally don't feel that I am a stressed person because I feel that anything I need to do, I will just do. Anything that I am not able to do that I need to do it, I will figure out how to do it. And if I can't figure out how to do it and do it unsuccessfully, I will then, after unsuccessfully doing it, figure out how to do it better until I do it right. I'm not stressed out about that stuff. Like, I feel that I have no stress now. It's different whenever there are personal things that happen in your life. And there have been personal things that have happened in my life in the past couple of years that have been pretty traumatic. There have been two really severe situations that I haven't fully been able to acknowledge on the air. At some point I will, but it's a timing thing and I cannot yet for different reasons. But personally, I've had two very severe traumatic things happen in my direct circle. One involving me, one not involving me. And I think that stress is different. I'm talking about day to day stress. Now I have a staff of 15 people. Do I worry that my performance will not be quality enough for them to keep their jobs? At times I do worry about that. Because I got to be honest with you, if I go down, the whole ship goes down. That's the truth of it. I know that. So if I'm not performing at my highest and the show doesn't perform at its highest, I got a lot of people that are scurrying. And these are my people. If you know my show, you know that I've hired my people from my life. You know the radio show. Amy's been there for 20 years. I was talking to Somebody the other day about how long everybody's been with me, and they were blown away. I forget sometimes that it is abnormal to have people with you for that long. Amy and lunchbox are about 20 years. I mean, Eddie and I have been friends for just about that amount of time, but we've been working together on the show for 13 or 14. Ray, same thing. 13, 14 years. Mike D. In one capacity or the other. 12, 13, 14 years. Even Morgan, who came along way late, is now a decade in. And it's funny when people will comment on the environment of the show or, like, go after me or go after someone on the show, like, it's just so toxic. If it were toxic, do you think people would be around for 20 years, for 10 years? Like, there are things we do because we're close and we're able to rib each other, give each other a hard time. We're even able to cross the line a little bit because we know if we do accidentally cross the line, we have enough invested in the years that it ain't going to sink the ship. And so when people are always like, this person doesn't like this person, or they don't get along or they're fighting or I hate how they treat whomever, I do find that to be a bit comedic because if the culture was bad, you wouldn't have people there for 20 years or 15 years or 10 years, which is like the lowest. I think our lowest person is probably Scuba. And Scuba came over from Seacrest after a few years. Scuba's probably been there almost 10 years. So that just doesn't happen. Right. Like, I really take pride in the environment that I create. I hold myself to a very, very, very, very high standard, and I hold everybody else to a high standard, and I hold everybody else to have accountability to the other people in the room. And on the show, everybody's not going to be on every day, but you got to show up on time every single time. Now, how this all gets back to stress and perfectionism is that I don't feel stress, except I do. I did talk about this on the show recently. I didn't know that I felt stress. And you may be having some of these same feelings, except you're not feeling them like I don't. And you may not know it like I don't. And what I would say is, through a lot of therapy, when I am not a therapy kid, didn't have therapy, obviously, as a kid, didn't have any money, didn't go to therapy, didn't start Therapy until I was an adult, got insurance. It's probably like 25 or 26. And I was like, for 20 bucks, I can go to therapy. I can go to sit in a room with a shrink, because that's what they would call them on television. I could sit in the room with a shrink and just say stuff, and they'll give me advice. And it literally was going to be for a bit. And about the third time I went, I was actually getting feedback. And then I just kept going. And then I started to realize, how excellent is it to have somebody that has no bias giving you feedback? It doesn't mean they're right every time. They're not even trying to be right. I think that's one of my favorite things about therapy. Therapists aren't trying to be right. They're not calling a play. It's not third and six, and they're running a slant. And turns out you shouldn't run the slant because the corners were on the inside. You had no leverage, and you're like, well, that was a bad play to call. No, they're not. They're actually. Therapy is setting you up to make the right decisions or just to have the right tools to make decisions. So. And I've talked about it, been a big therapy guy. But the stress part, as I've learned, is that I have, since possibly even birth, lived under a certain amount of stress that comes with survival. I don't feel it now. I do at times when it manifests itself in weird ways. But when I talk about stress, stress feels different, is like an omnipresent force that when it presents itself, you're like, oh, yeah, stress, not a big thing at work, stressed out. I don't have that. Except what I have learned is that I live within that because I've never been out of that, which is why I don't know how to relax, which is why I don't have favorite place to go for vacation, which is why I don't like vacation. And I should say, it's not that I don't like vacation. I just don't like vacation. I think there's a difference. I don't dislike vacation, but I don't like vacation. I have no relationship with whatever vacation is because my entire life, I'm not even talking about wah wah was poor. I'm not even talking about that. Once I started working, I was at 105.9 klaz and I was making what, like seven bucks an hour? I doubt that. And I would get a week off I would use that time to fill it with what I didn't have enough time to do in other parts of work because, again, I had to pay whatever the rent was, whatever the car insurance was, whatever. And a lot of people have to do that. It's not even like a rare thing. But I never had a relationship with it because I never went on a vacation as a kid. And then when I became an adult and there was time for vacation, there was no real surplus of a couple hundred bucks to go on a vacation, nor did I know what I wanted to do on vacation, nor did I have anybody to do it with.
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Bobby Bones
This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. You know, who is your support system? That's always an important question even to ask yourself, like, who is my support system? Who do I rely on whenever I have questions? And I can trust their answer with no bias. And that's hard because we all have a little bias in us. And whose support system are you a part of? Right. It's always great to reevaluate who you're there for and why you're there for them. And at times, your therapist can be a massive part of your support system. I know mine is, you know, my therapist is, again, not biased, so they.
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Bobby
Don'T have to live with me.
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Bobby Bones
So they're giving their opinion based on what I'm sharing with them, what they've learned about me, what my experiences have been. Having a therapist is awesome. And if you've never been to therapy, I would like to recommend BetterHelp because it's a great way. One, if you've never done it. Two, if you're really busy and you're like, how do I even get to therapy? You don't have to because BetterHelp is completely online. They have a network of over 30,000 credentialed therapists, tons of specialties if you want to switch therapists anytime, no extra cost. Therapy's been a game changer for me. It's part of my support system. Build your support system with Better help. Visit betterhelp.com bobby and get 10% off your first month. Better help h e l p.com bobby when it comes to college basketball and March mania, one thing is for sure, that nothing is for sure. Upsets and buzzer beaters, Cinderellas advancing top seeds. Going home early. It's all gonna happen. Bet the unexpected. Every upset, Every day with DraftKings. Sportsbook with live betting, exclusive content, promos, parlays. DraftKings is the ultimate college basketball destination for March. If it's your first time, here's something special just for you. New DraftKings customers bet $5. Get $200 in bonus bets instantly. That's crazy. Bet the unexpected with DraftKings sportsbook. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app.
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Matt Rogers
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang just won Podcast of the Year at this year's iHeart Podcast Awards.
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Bowen Yang
Oh, wow, you're kidding. Stop it.
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Matt Rogers
Lady Gaga will take home the Innovator award at Monday's iHeartradio Music Awards. Now these iH iHeart Award winners are teaming up on a brand new episode of Las Culturistas. Thank you so much for having me here, but please, please, please don't make me get angry about anything in public. Just open the free iHeartRadio app, search Las Culturistas and listen now.
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Bowen Yang
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Bobby
Okay, we're rolling. One, two, three, four.
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Bowen Yang
I'm Jamie Petras, music and culture writer. For the past five years, I've been talking to the band's three surviving members. They're out of prison now and in their 70s, their past behind them. But they also have some unfinished business.
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Bobby
The Edge of Daybreak Eyes of Love was supposed to have been followed up by another album.
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Bowen Yang
It's a story about the liberating power of music, the American justice system, and ultimately, second chances. Listen to soul incarcerated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Bob Pittman
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to share my podcast with you. Math and stories from the frontiers of marketing. This week I'm talk to the CEO of Moderna, Stephane Bonsell, about how he led his team through unprecedented times to create, test and distribute a COVID vaccine all in less than a year. It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think is the right thing for the world. Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark, the Magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Bobby
So I had this relationship with whatever vacation is that was non existent. Not bad, definitely not good, not bad, but just non existent. I don't know how to relax, which is why I've said a bunch of times I wish I could have a relationship with whatever people do when they like drink a little bit and relax or smoke weed or whatever they do to relax. Like, I wish I had something like that that allowed me to just experience it. So. But apparently I don't feel stress because there is an underlying stress that was implanted into me when I was a mere child. Now I don't blame anybody for that. My mom was 15 when she got pregnant. She had me weeks after her 16th birthday. What do you think is going to happen? She's struggling herself. Had a lot of guilt for a lot of years about just being born because had I not been born, imagine, I'm not even gonna say the great life that she could have had because she was also very poor. But like imagine that she'd have had a shot to graduate high school, possibly to go to college. From all accounts, my mom was a very smart person. She also could sing. That part I didn't get. So there's a stress that from a very young age I didn't have stability or a whole lot of support.
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Bob Pittman
As.
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Bobby
A baby, as a toddler, as a whatever lure you are when you're 4, 5, 6, kindergarten. I don't remember not feeling it, but I definitely remember being alone a lot, even as a young, young, young kid. And the more that I ended up reading about children who not abandoned because I was not abandoned. Now, my mom was gone for years at a time, but my grandma was there to raise me. And if you read my first book, which is called Bare Bones, I do talk about how I think I wrote in the book. I have not read the book back since I wrote it because it was very difficult. But I think I wrote about how my grandma had left out my Social Security card where I had a change of a last name. So my name was Bobby. My grandma's last name was Hurt, which is why I have HH on my arm. Hazel Hurt. So my grandma was Hazel Hurt and my name was Bobby Hurt. And I was like, why is my name different? It's not Bobby Estell like it is. And then she told me she was my grandma and my mom because my mom would just disappear. Now again, you're talking about I'm five or six years old, so let's just say five. So my mom's 21. That's crazy. It's crazy to think of her being 16 years old with a baby and no real support system, at least not one that could provide financially. So from what I've been told, what I've been taught, what I've learned through all the books I've read. Let me tell you about all the books I read. Just kidding. Is that that feeling of not knowing there was consistency or love from being a baby and on does create a stress inside of you? I don't know it, I don't feel it. But I always had it. I remember being third or fourth grade and I would try to get to school early even if I rode my bike, which I did a lot of times because I was on the free lunch program. And if you got there early, you got free breakfast. And so I would try to get there so I could eat because sometimes we didn't have breakfast at the house and so I got free lunch and sometimes I would save the lunch or I would get extra if they would allow and I would take it home and eat it for dinner. And it never felt that I was without when that was happening because that was just normal. I think a lot of you guys will relate to that too. Like I didn't know the difference. It was just. I'd like to eat. So how am I going to eat? Not always food at the house. So I think I'm going to eat by riding my bike to school extra early. By the way, nobody woke me up. I woke up. I mean, it's how I live my life now. Right. It's going to be eventually. My point. And so I never felt like I was without because I didn't know the difference. I was just normal. I mean, there were other kids that had more and I guess I felt like a kid that didn't have as much, but it wasn't. Yeah, I wasn't ostracized so much because I'm from a small town where most people are poor. We did have one kid with swimming pool in ground that was pretty freaking cool. But if I didn't get free breakfast, if I Didn't get free lunch if I didn't take some home for dinner. Sometimes, not all the time, because sometimes we had Hamburger Helper or Manwich and I explained to my wife what Manwich was. Yeah, so it wasn't all the time, but definitely was. Sometimes I needed to be prepared. So there was a stress there, Right? Not that I knew. I didn't know I was stressed. I was just surviving. You know, I think about seventh or eighth grade, probably seventh, because that's when I took my act for the first time. Seventh grade is when I realized whatever was happening in my small town, it was for a lot of people, but it wasn't for me. Because I wanted to do things that other people around me weren't doing. Not because I was watching them done, but because I naturally was doing things that really didn't make a lot of sense where I was. And a great thing, too. Is my mom around? I guess eighth grade. I'm not sure. When my mom and Arkansas Keith got married, they were together on and off a bit. I lived with my grandma for a little bit while they were together. My grandma was awesome. Like, I get. I don't get emotional thinking about things, but if I am talking about it like I am now, like, I'm starting to feel a little choked up thinking about my grandma. It's to the point where sometimes I avoid thinking about her because I don't. It makes me sad and like, I miss her because it didn't matter what happened. My grandma was always there. And again, I didn't know the difference. I didn't know how important she was. I didn't know that. But what she was doing was basically making sure that I had any sort of chance to do anything. And I'm not even saying do anything that's considered successful or great, but just to not fall into the same traps that a lot of people in a lot of small towns fall into. Which is why I'm so sensitive to people in small towns getting opportunities because a lot of times they don't have a grandma. I don't think I have the worst story ever. I think there are parts of my story that are and were difficult. And I used to resent them so much and be confused as to why that crap had to happen to me. I don't feel that way anymore. For the most part, I'm grateful for them because I wouldn't be whatever stress ball I am, but I wouldn't have this success. I wouldn't have met my wife. I wouldn't have had a Lot of this stuff happen had I not gone through that. But without my grandma, I don't even get a chance to do that. Whatever difficult life I had would have been so much more difficult without my grandma, which I haven't really thought about in a long time. I'm sitting here now thinking about it and a little bit my eyeballs are getting hot. But she was there and she wasn't there like, hey, every day I'm here if you need me, come on over. She wasn't there like that, but she was there in that. If my mom wasn't there, guess what? Guess where we're going. Guess where we're staying. Guess who's staying. Her. My grandma. Always, always, always she wasn't, hey, I'm coming over and bringing something over. No, no, no. She was just the ultimate safety net. More than a net. I think my mom knew that too. So my mom was very, very, very young. I think of me now, I'm 44 years old. My mom died just about my age. Just barely older, but just my age. Basically I think about how old I was compared to how old if I would have had a kid at the same age as my mom, crazy. Like right now I'd have a kid over 20 years old, over 20. I mean I'd have a 20 friggin 26 year old kid. I don't know if my math is right, but which is crazy. And again, I used to feel so much guilt because of that because my mom had me so early. But I'm also grateful for my grandma. I'm grateful for my stress that I did not know I had. But I do have it and I do, at least now I do have the ability to acknowledge it. And so when you live with something for so long and you don't even know you live with it, it's kind of hard just to go, oh, I'm going to point a finger at that and it's just going to disappear. Because again, I don't feel stressed because I've always had a sort of stress entrenched into me from whenever I was a baby. I mean, you can talk to the people that work for me. I think I am both the greatest boss of all time and the absolute most fantastic a leader there could possibly be. And at the same time the exact opposite. Because two things can be true at once. I stay so stressed out every single day. I don't sleep. Why don't I sleep? Because I'm afraid I will oversleep. And if I oversleep, abcdefg I lose my job. There's a lot of letters in between there. Like, if I oversleep, the performance is low. So. But me not sleeping also then allows me to get sick. And I get sick, I don't perform as well. So then there's that contradiction within itself. But I feel constantly stressed out without even knowing what stress is. I am wound so tight. I am not saying this as a compliment, but I have never met anyone more efficient than me. I don't think efficiency is that sexy, but I have never met anyone more efficient than me because I'm scared to not be. So I am stressed out constantly without feeling stressed. And this is where perfectionism comes into play. I haven't forgot about that. It's where I started. It's where I'm going to end this part. I'm not a perfectionist. I don't speak well. And I have a job that people listen to me. Millions of people listen to me. I am wildly successful at this job, by the way. One step back. I think I'm a great boss because I don't do anything I don't ask my people to do, period. I think I'm a great boss because if you're on my team, we're going to win. It might take a second, we might lose for a minute, but we're going to win. I'm a great boss because your other teammates are going to respect you and your time the way you're going to respect them. I'm a great boss because I have extremely high expectations of myself and high expectations of you. And I only have high expectations of you if I think you can meet those expectations. So if you're working with me, I have high regards for you, and I expect you to not only hit that, but to break from that. I think I'm a great leader. Nah, screw it. I'm a great leader because get on the team and let's go win. And I'm a great leader because I know all the time I can't lead. There have been a couple of times I referenced it earlier, couple of instances where I was really working from a detriment. I don't want to say. It was very tough for me and I had to rely on others. And I think a great leader knows that at times you have to do that. A great leader is not someone with no weakness. I have a ton of weakness. So I think I'm a great leader. I also think I'm at times a terrible leader in that I don't communicate well with others in certain professional instances, because I think at this point, my feeling is, well, they can understand, they can read my mind, they know what I'm feeling. So I get disappointed without it being fair to them. And I know that. And I try to get better at that. And I think that is an extreme weakness of mine is a lack of communication at times. Not because I'm scared to communicate, because I'm not generally a people pleaser, but I think it's the expectation that people are able to know what I'm thinking for whatever reason because we've done it for a long time together, because they know so definitely have flaws. But. But if you're with me, it's because I believe in you. And we're gonna go win the sucker. It doesn't matter what it is. I think a bit of my stress is making sure that what I have, and that's relationships, that's work. Making sure that doesn't crumble because I'm petrified. I don't deserve it to begin with.
- [39:40]
Matt Rogers
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang just won Podcast of the Year at this year's iHeart Podcast Awards.
- [39:47]
Bowen Yang
Oh, wow, you're kidding. Stop it.
- [39:50]
Matt Rogers
Lady Gaga will take home the Innovator award at Monday's iHeartradio Music Awards. Now these iHeart Award winners are teaming up on a brand new episode of Las Culturistas. Thank you so much for having me here, but please, please, please don't make me get angry about anything in public. Just open the search Las Culturistas and listen now.
- [40:13]
Bowen Yang
September 1979. Virginia's top prison band, Edge of Daybreak, is about to record their debut album Behind Bars in just five hours.
- [40:24]
Bobby
Okay, we're rolling. One, two, three, four.
- [40:31]
Bowen Yang
I'm Jamie Petras, music and culture writer. For the past five years, I've been talking to the band's three surviving members. They're out of prison now and in their 70s, their past behind them. But they also have some unfinished business.
- [40:46]
Bobby
The air to Daybreak, Eyes of Love was supposed to have been followed up by another album.
- [40:52]
Bowen Yang
It's a story about the liberating power of music, the American justice system, and ultimately, second chances. Listen to soul incarcerated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [41:11]
Bob Pittman
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to share my podcast with you. Math and stories from the frontiers of marketing. This week, I'm talking to the CEO of Moderna, Stephane Bonsell, about how he led his team through unprecedented times to create, test and distribute a COVID vaccine all in less than a year. It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think is the right thing for the world. Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [41:56]
Matt Rogers
Snakes, zombies, public speaking, the list of fears is endless. But the real danger is in your hand. When you're behind the wheel, distracted driving is what's really scary and even deadly.
- [42:07]
Bobby
Eyes forward.
- [42:08]
Matt Rogers
Don't drive distracted.
- [42:09]
Bobby
Brought to you by NHTSA and the Ad Council Why would you do that.
- [42:13]
Matt Rogers
To me when I thought we were friends?
- [42:15]
Bowen Yang
We are friends.
- [42:17]
Matt Rogers
Los Angeles 2021. A friendly neighbor appears out of nowhere and promises to make all my dreams come true.
- [42:24]
Bobby
Let's not forget that David Bloom was a professional con artist. He so you didn't stand a chance.
- [42:31]
Matt Rogers
But my dreams soon turned into a nightmare.
- [42:34]
Bowen Yang
Bloom generally targeted people with money and.
- [42:38]
Matt Rogers
I was not alone.
- [42:39]
Bobby
He took over 100 people for over $15 million.
- [42:42]
Bowen Yang
One of the victims was his own grandmother.
- [42:45]
Bobby
I was married to David for almost 10 years. It was insane. I was barely functioning and I just had this realization that he will not stop until he kills me.
- [42:56]
Matt Rogers
Getting a con artist to pay for their crimes isn't easy. Charge David blue I'm Caroline D'Amore. Listen as I take down my scammer on Once Upon a con on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [43:11]
Bobby
I don't really have a skill. Like I said, I'm not the greatest talker, not the greatest community even, just my job. Not even like leadership skills. I have an accent, I talk too fast. At times I forget mid sentence what I was trying to say because something else happens. But that doesn't keep me from being really good at this job. And I think a lot of the success has been I've been able to pick really, really, I don't want to short sell them with the words really well rounded in specialized ways, high functioning people. And that's been cool. But I'm afraid if I oversleep, I'm afraid if I don't put in X amount of time at night reading through stories. I'm afraid if I don't keep up with this, I'm afraid if I don't it's complete fear based that has created the stress that I live with that. I don't know. I have. That is not only my superpower, but it is also my greatest weakness. Now to perfectionism in the midst of this stress and me trying to find out how that I can sleep because I don't sleep. And I think it used to be the cool thing, like, I don't sleep. I just work. I don't feel that way anymore because I need to sleep in order to be extremely effective working. But I just need to sleep to be healthy, to be there for my wife, to be a decent boss, to have my wits about me so I can be funny. I don't sleep. And a bit of that, if not all that, is coming from the stress, not from whatever physically has been going on with me, because I've had it all checked out. All of it's checked out. I got tubes in every hole. Got him in there now. Colonoscopy, endoscopy, doptoscopy, doptoscopy. And I hope, if you're listening, maybe you can relate to a little bit of this. And where perfectionism comes in, my therapist, like, I think you're perfectionist is that I think you are absolutely wrong. Because I don't pursue perfection. I think me trying to be perfect at something, me trying to make it slick and shiny, that would be the opposite of what I've always done successfully. And I haven't purposefully done it successfully because if I had a great announcer voice, I would have done that. You think I wanted to sound like this crap? But he's like, I think you're missing the point of what perfectionism is. And I was, because when I hear perfectionism, I think it's as somebody wanting perfect product. And when I hear perfectionism, I think of it as a positive. I think of as, wow, they really want to do it perfect, so they're not going to quit until then. And I think that can be an aspect of it. However, I have now started to learn I've been wading into perfectionism in a way that is not the most healthy, in a way that I do have these tendencies because I think there is no way I will be successful unless my process of doing something is perfectly the same way that it's been my entire life. Because that's the only way I've been successful. And the only way I've been successful is showing up on time every time, all the time, and making sure that nothing that I can control is off even a percent, which is stressful. I didn't think about perfectionism like that. I didn't think about perfectionism as being not a perfect product, but my perfectionism is in my mind. I feel like if I don't do it this one exact way, that it's not going to be done right. I'm petrified to do it a different way. I'm petrified to be late. I'm the first one there. Raymundo's there. He's got to turn the show on. But if everybody like that, you guys hear I'm the first one there. I would like to be like some of the other guys I know that do radio and TV that are like, whatever the big star is. They show up 10 minutes before and everybody else says, has everything taken care of. And they walk in, they got their notes and, oh, they've planned every bit. No, I can't do that. I would love to do that. I'm not too good to do that. But I feel if I do that, I will not be successful. And it's not even just that. It's why I made my New Year's resolution to try to be late twice to work this year. I've not even been close. I can't. It's that I think, not that I'm going to succeed if I don't do the process perfect, but that if I don't do the process perfect in my mind, that I'm going to fail and flame out so hard that I'm going to be back where I started, whichever version of that it is. I have never thought of myself as a perfectionist because my product is not perfect. I have not edited this. I have no desire to edit this. There's gonna be gaps. I'm gonna be stumbling. I'm gonna be saying things wrong. My books, like my literal books, with a massive publishing company, the biggest in the world, they have typos in them because I wrote, when I wrote, I wrote that they couldn't even catch all the typos. I'm fine with that. A big part of whatever my brand is, has been, just go and try it. I would rather there be action and messing up than inaction, because at least with action, you learn something. But with action, you got to show up every time, on time, all the time. And so where my perfectionism. I don't say that as a positive thing. That is not a flex or a brag. Where my perfectionism comes in is, I am scared to death that if I don't do it the exact way I've done it my entire life, that I am going to Be a loser, a failure. And then here's the contradiction at the same time, like, well, I don't mind failing. I failed so many things. But then why must I maintain this extremely rigorous process that keeps me apparently so stressed out it physically makes me sick and completely fearful? I don't know the answer to that. But I do accept now that I am a perfectionist. And not in the way of I am a perfectionist when it comes to playing the cello, where the notes must be exactly right. And you shall enjoy this. I am a perfectionist in an unhealthy way where if the process is not done in what I feel is the perfect way, it is not acceptable. And when it's not acceptable, I will be a complete loser and failure. And you know what? When you say it out loud, it feels ridiculous, and it is ridiculous. But it can't change how I feel in a day or three therapy sessions. But the key to changing anything, if it's whatever I'm whining about here, if it's addiction, even I could talk about my mom or other family members, is acknowledging it, is understanding that it exists. That's the key. Doesn't mean you're gonna fix it, but you cannot fix it if you don't know about it, if you don't acknowledge it. So I'm gonna try not to be as much of a perfectionist. Weird to say, because it does feel like a flex. It is not a flex. I did not think I was a perfectionist forever because my product is not perfect. And I would encourage you, if you're listening to this, if you have these tendencies that you can't figure out. I had to look at it from a different perspective because if you would have said, oh, you're a perfectionist, it seriously said that. There's no way. There's no way I'd have bet all the money in my pocket. I got like, 11 bucks in my pocket because my product is not perfect. That does not mean I'm not a perfectionist, because it must be done a certain way, what I deem perfect in order to be successful. And that also is not true. So it's challenging. I'm not even going to say beliefs, because I didn't even know that I had it. But I know what my belief system is. I didn't even know that I felt this way. But that's what's up. I'm trying to be less of a perfectionist. I'm trying to identify the stresses and stressors that keep me from sleeping and being healthy. I'm very happy I had this conversation because I thought about my grandmother in a way that I haven't in a long time. A very thankful way. I'm never not thankful, but just for a second in this conversation, she existed with me. And that's pretty awesome. I mostly got over years ago feeling guilty that I was born. Mostly. That doesn't mean I fully am now, but at least I understand when I struggle with it. And I still feel guilty for being born. I understand I had nothing to do with that. I could not control that in any way. And I'm somebody who likes control because I feel like if I control it, if it doesn't go right, at least I had a chance. Because I was controlling it. I have no control over it. I had no control over it. I will have no control over it. I can acknowledge that now. The same way I can acknowledge that I'm a perfectionist in the worst way. The rest of the podcast that was up today was a rerun. Or was it? Oh, it's Monday. So it was a new show today. It was a new show today, but we put this podcast up today with it because we only did the single show. And then this, because I just want to make sure, one, there's content. And two, I didn't even get to the other things I wanted to talk about. Now I gotta go eat. I want to talk about my chain that I've been wearing. I'm not a chain guy. I'm not a jewelry guy. One thing about my wife, and there's many things about my wife that I deeply respect, is her confidence in everybody. It all was rooted in. And I'll be quick because my food's apparently up there. I was doing NFL honors. It was a television show on Fox with the NFL, was presenting an award to George Kittle, the tight end for the 49ers. And I was up. I was on television, and I was wearing a suit but no tie. And I said, man, I feel empty with no tie. My wife's like, why don't we wear, like, a chain? I was like, ah, I don't wear jewelry. I look stupid. And she was like, well, you can wear a chain. It'll just give you a slight, like a. Just an incy beansy little something. And people may not even see it, but they may see the back of your neck. It'll add to something. And maybe it won't, but maybe it will. And I'm like, I don't know. She's like, just wear. Think about my wife. She really believes. If you believe you can pull it off, you can pull it off and f everybody else. So I've had a little. It's very small, had a little chain, and I've just been wearing it because I appreciate that from her. Not even about that TV show, but she lives by it. She's like, it doesn't matter what people think. Oh, does this look stupid? Can I pull this off? She's like, do you want to pull it off? Do you like it? Okay, you're pulling it off the end. She's right. I was gonna do a whole chain thing because I've been wearing a chain a little bit, but nobody's noticed, and that's okay. You have to notice my chain. Gotta go. Hope you guys have a great rest of the day. If you heard this, if you got to this point, send me a message on Instagram. My stories. I'd appreciate that. I have no idea if you guys are gonna listen for 50 minutes to this. This was not supposed to go this long. Maybe you don't. Maybe it won't. Maybe. Well, you won't even notice. Send me a message. But you can send me a message saying, hey, listen to all 50 minutes. Like, this didn't like this. This did not resonate with me. This did resonate with me. That helps me. I do like feedback. So thank you for listening and appreciate you guys listening to the show. There are 10 million options. The fact that you listen with us, that's really awesome and thank you very much. And that is the end of this one man show. All right, bye, everybody. The Bobby Bone Show. Bobby Bone Show.
- [56:54]
Matt Rogers
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang just won Podcast of the Year at this year's iHeart Podcast Awards.
- [57:00]
Bobby
Oh, wow. You're kidding.
- [57:03]
Bowen Yang
Stop it.
- [57:03]
Matt Rogers
Lady Gaga will take home the Innovator award at Monday's iHeartradio Music Awards. Now these iHeart Award winners are teaming up on a brand new episode of Las Culturistas. Thank you so much for having me here, but please, please, please don't make me get angry about anything in public. Just open the free iHeartRadio app, search Las Culturistas, and listen. Now.
- [57:24]
Bowen Yang
45 years ago, a Virginia soul band called the Edge of Daybreak recorded their debut album, Behind Bars. Record collectors consider it a masterpiece. The band's surviving members are long out of prison, but they say they have some unfinished business. The Edge of Daybreak, Eyes of Love was supposed to have been followed up. Listen to soul incarcerated on the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [57:54]
Matt Rogers
I'm Tomer Cohen, LinkedIn's chief product officer.
- [57:57]
Bobby
If you're just as curious as I am about the way things are built, then tune in to my podcast Building One. I speak with some of the best.
- [58:04]
Matt Rogers
Product builders out there.
- [58:06]
Bobby
I've always been inspired by frustration. It came back to my own personal.
- [58:10]
Matt Rogers
Pain point, so we had to go.
- [58:11]
Bobby
Out to farmers and convince.
- [58:14]
Bowen Yang
Following that, curiosity is a superpower.
- [58:16]
Bobby
You have to be obsessed with the human condition.
- [58:19]
Bob Pittman
Listen to Building One on the iHeartRadio.
- [58:21]
Bobby
App, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts. Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast this Is Working can help with that. Here's advice from Google CMO Lorraine Tuhill on how to treat AI like a partner. I see AI as an incredible co pilot. You may use different tools or toys to get the work done, but AI is just the latest flavor of that. You're still the judge of what good looks like. I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief, on my podcast this is Working Leaders Share Strategies for Success. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [58:58]
Matt Rogers
Why would you do that to me? Los Angeles 2021 A friendly neighbor appears out of nowhere and promises to make all my dreams come true.
- [59:08]
Bobby
Let's not forget that David Bloom was a professional con artist, so you didn't stand a chance.
- [59:15]
Matt Rogers
But my dreams soon turned into a Nightmare. I'm Caroline D'Amore. Listen as I take down my scammer on Once Upon a con on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.