Indigenous Trans Indians

Summary

The Bonfire with Big Jay Oakerson & Robert Kelly

Episode: Indigenous Trans Indians

Date: January 16, 2026
Podcast Host: SiriusXM Faction Talk (Channel 103)
Main Hosts: Big Jay Oakerson, Robert Kelly
Key Guests/Regulars: Jacob, Christine, Black Lou

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The Bonfire" is quintessential Jay and Bobby: brimming with the duo’s irreverent, rapid-fire banter and comedic honesty. The crew—joined by regulars and partners—dives into their personal lives, recent heroics, awkward family moments, pop culture, sexuality and gender in the present and historical context, and their trademark takes on everything from pool safety to pie. The biggest throughlines are Robert Kelly’s recent act of heroism (saving a young girl from drowning), the changing dynamics of long-term relationships, and a wildly funny discussion about Native American history, brutality, and gender, culminating in a riff on two-spirit individuals and viral queer family content.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Opening Banter & Jacob’s Return ([00:52]–[07:14])

• Jay and Bobby open the show singing Nickelback’s “Hero” and immediately riffing about viral internet videos—particularly “firefighters in reverse” (visual jokes about running disaster video footage in reverse).
• Jacob is absent at first due to a recent illness; the hosts mock the idea of using tarps, fans, or “plastic bubbles” to quarantine sick show members.
• Quote:
  “If he dies, we’re not going to know because he has the same body movements of a dead guy.” —Big Jay ([04:30])

2. Robert Kelly, Hero Complex, and the “Drowning Incident” ([07:34]–[13:36])

• The main story: Bobby (Robert Kelly) saved a young Black girl from drowning while cracking jokes inappropriately—like making “turd in the punch bowl” references to a terrified child.
• The hosts probe whether the act was enough to absolve Bobby’s past misdeeds and joke about how many more lives he needs to save for a “heaven pass.”
• Quote:
  “You were such a monster before these heroics that I don’t know if these heroics got you into heaven still.” —Big Jay ([09:28])

3. Relationship Dynamics & Rekindling Romance ([16:02]–[25:18])

• Bobby reflects on the romantic rekindling between him and his wife, Dawn, following his rescue of the girl. The pair experienced an “early relationship” spark while on vacation in Costa Rica, but he laments how quickly real life and “roommate energy" return once home.
• They reminisce about earlier relationship days: trips to Aruba, playful nudity, and spontaneous sex; contrast with post-child, post-menopausal sexual rhythms.
• Quote:
  “It’s nice when your girl becomes your roommate. It sucks when they start talking to you like a dude. I gotta check her on that a lot...” —Bobby ([20:23])
  “You gotta save a girl to get a kiss on the beach.” —Big Jay ([22:11])

4. “Chubby Chunkins” Song and Vacation Jokes ([25:18]–[26:41])

• Dawn’s playful nickname for herself (“Chubby Chunkins”) becomes the source of an ongoing running joke and a song Bobby composes, shared on the show.
• Quote & Song Sample:
  “Chubby Chunkins here!” —Dawn, imitated by Bobby ([25:39])
  "I was making songs all week about Chubby Jumpkins." —Bobby ([26:03])

5. Financial Histories and Provider Dynamics ([34:10]–[38:03])

• Discussion shifts to who paid for whom during the lean years of their relationships.
• Bobby and Dawn’s early romance: Dawn paid most expenses due to her successful esthetician career; Big Jay and Christine split bills more as time went on.
• Quote:
  “Don paid for everything for me back when we met. I didn’t have enough money. I had five jobs, like one hour a day…” —Bobby ([35:28])

6. Lego Building, "Adulting," and New Hobbies ([38:18]–[47:10])

• Jay shares a new passion: reading books, something he never enjoyed before. He’s devouring works on Native American history and classics like "The Road".
• Adult Lego building as a wholesome, therapy-adjacent hobby for Jay and Christine.
• Quote:
  “I can’t stop reading. I was reading on the train here about the Comanche Indians.” —Jay ([48:01])

7. Brutality in Native American History: "Savages and Torture" ([48:01]–[53:47])

• Jay offers a darkly comic summary of the brutality inflicted and received during 19th-century America, recounting torture methods by the Comanches and riffing on the term "savages."
• Bobby and Jay escalate with ever more grotesque (and comic) descriptions, peaking with references to Wu Tang Clan’s “Torture” skit.
• Quote:
  “They’d cut your stomach open, pull your intestines out, and then put hot coals nice on your intestines. They’d cut your genitals off and put it in your mouth.” —Jay ([49:00])

8. Indigenous Gender Fluidity & Viral Gay Dads ([53:47]–[61:28])

• Jay schools the crew on "two-spirited" people: Native American individuals embodying both masculine and feminine spirits, respected in several tribes.
• Immediate comic riffing follows—“Chief sits-to-pee,” “one spirit masculine, one spirit bitchy.”
• The team pivots to discussing viral “Rainbow Dads”—a Buffalo Bills-loving, openly gay couple on social media with a son who plays football.
• Discussion around how children of gay parents process sexuality and culture, and how personal identity forms regardless of environment.
• Quote:
  “Indians had trans people, but they weren't looked down upon. They were called two-spirited people.” —Jay ([54:41])

9. Identity, Influence, & Parenting ([61:28]–[63:34])

• They question whether growing up in gay families influences a kid's sexuality or if orientation is innate.
• Bobby shares thoughts on the value of open, informed communication about sex and relationships, contrasting it with the repressed, confusing atmosphere of their own upbringings.
• Quote:
  “I think having parents that, ‘Hey, I’m gay, we’re two men, we’re good with it’... talking to your kid about sex and relationships gives them the information to make choices on their own.” —Bobby ([63:02])

10. Closing Laughs: Fat Comics, Deathpools, and Community ([65:09]–[66:44])

• They swap “fat comic” horror stories and reminisce about being targeted for death pools after Ralphie May’s passing.
• Endearing, honest rapport emerges about initial dislikes for comedian Karen Feehan, evolving into camaraderie.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Bobby’s Heroic Act:
  “You were a monster before these heroics that I don’t know if these heroics got you into heaven still.” —Big Jay ([09:28])

• On Rekindled Romance:
  "She was looking up at me like we were looking at each other. And on the beach...she was giving me early relationship vibes.” —Bobby ([17:26])

• On Historical Indigenous Brutality:
  “They didn’t just kill you. They would bury you up to your eyes alive and then cut your eyelids off.” —Jay ([49:03])

• On Two-Spirit Indigenous People:
  “They had trans Indians back in the day called two spirited people. They were born a man but identified as women.” —Jay ([54:41])

• On LGBT Family Viral Videos:
  "It's just very funny that these guys like, the one is such a queen. The big guy, I mean, is a real, like, twirly bear." —Big Jay ([61:13])

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Selected Timestamps for Key Segments

• Heroic Rescue & Its Fallout: [07:34]–[13:36]
• Rekindling Romance: [16:02]–[25:18]
• Historic Savagery & Torture: [48:01]–[53:47]
• Two-Spirit & Modern Queerness: [54:41]–[61:28]
• Fat Comics & Community: [65:09]–[66:44]

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Overall Tone & Takeaway

The episode is classic "Bonfire": equal parts personal, sincere, shocking, and vulgar hilarity—flipping from genuine reflection on relationships and aging, to raw, boundary-pushing comedy about sex, violence, and American culture, all filtered through the unique chemistry of two veteran comics. Fans get a sense of who Bobby, Jay, and their crew are—warts, wisdom, heroics, and all.

Transcript

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[Jay Oakerson]

And now the bonfire with Big J Okerson and Robert Kelly.

[Big J Okerson]

And they say that a hero can save us. I'm not gonna stand in your way.

[Jay Oakerson]

I would sing with you, but this song should be sung.

[Big J Okerson]

It's at you. It's sung at you.

[Jay Oakerson]

At me. So I just have to absorb it. When I hear it, I feel like I'm rising up into the sun. And that's where I get my energy.

[Big J Okerson]

I know the amazing power you showed.

[Jay Oakerson]

Bennington was talking about it today. And he goes, I've always wanted to be a hero. It was so funny. He goes, I've always wanted to catch a falling baby out of a. And I was like, me too. Like, I think we've all. But he goes, there's no danger in that. Like I went on today. No, I just. I heard. I was listening. It's just like such a fucking Bennington thing.

[Big J Okerson]

Catch a baby out of a window.

[Jay Oakerson]

That's a good one.

[Big J Okerson]

Did you ever see. I know. I'm not sure if we've done on the show. I probably have firefighters in reverse. I showed you that. Ever.

[Jay Oakerson]

No. What is that?

[Big J Okerson]

Was Bobby not here for that?

[Jay Oakerson]

I don't know if he was.

[Big J Okerson]

This might be one of the greatest things. And one of them is so people do firefighters in reverse. So what is. It's them placing black children back into fires. And then one of them. One of them is a guy. Cause they do it from the thing. From a catching. It looks like a guy's winging a baby up two stories to the thing. But it's. Please, it's so worth it. There's nothing funnier. White firefighters placing black kids back in the fire.

[Jay Oakerson]

Are you sure this isn't footage from the 30s.

[Big J Okerson]

That's so funny. That's firefighters in reverse.

[Jay Oakerson]

What else could you do in reverse? That would be terrible.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, man. Type in the words in reverse. I bet they've already got a thousand and one funny things for it. No Terminator timelines here. It's Tuesday. We have no Jacob yet still.

[Jay Oakerson]

Nah, he's. He's sick.

[Big J Okerson]

Well, he said the doctor cleared him today. He's allowed to be in here, but Black Lou's not believing it.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't.

[Jacob]

If you.

[Jay Oakerson]

If you're sick enough to go to the doctor, you're still sick, right?

[Big J Okerson]

I guess, like, if you go to.

[Jay Oakerson]

The doctor, you're still not feeling well.

[Big J Okerson]

If he stays home, though, he's gonna put funny in reverse.

[Jay Oakerson]

Jacob's gonna come in, walking into the studio.

[Big J Okerson]

Hey, guys. Sorry I still got the gloomies from leaving Florida.

[Jay Oakerson]

We didn't know. I still got the gloomies.

[Big J Okerson]

I don't know if you guys can tell by my super sad gray face. I'm sick of being back in New York.

[Jay Oakerson]

Dude, there's so many times you've walked into the studio with brilliant energy.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, my God.

[Jay Oakerson]

Singing, hey, whoa. And then all of a sudden, oh.

[Big J Okerson]

Hey, Jacobs have been like, time to get all the dirty germs off the microphones, guys. Everything in here is set up to kill us. He's telling me, keep it cold so the germs don't produce.

[Jay Oakerson]

Is there any way we could get something to put in front of him?

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, like a fan blowing directly into his face.

[Jay Oakerson]

Some type of fan. Or maybe some plastic or maybe just a purifier. Some type of book or a piece of cardboard. Yeah, we could just put a hole, like, where his eyes are.

[Big J Okerson]

Could we just get like, man, is there anywhere to run right now and just get a bunch of fucking, like, tarps or something? Or like a bunch of ponchos. I bet there's ponchos at a bunch of stores right now.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, we could put them in a poncho in reverse.

[Big J Okerson]

No, we just cover him in poncho so he's in a bubble. Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

And then cut holes in his eyes.

[Big J Okerson]

So he can the germs get through the holes.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, you're right. Just cover it up. What if he dies?

[Big J Okerson]

He has to be quarantined completely.

[Jay Oakerson]

If he dies, we're not going to know because he has the same body movements of a dead guy.

[Big J Okerson]

How do we quarantine somebody in studio? It's impossible.

[Jay Oakerson]

We could put him over in the corner. We could put Lou back Behind.

[Big J Okerson]

Back behind DJ Lou and fucking bad boy corner.

[Jay Oakerson]

Oh, he's right next to me. Oh, yeah, dude, we'd have to put that computer thing right in his hot.

[Big J Okerson]

Breathing all over Lou's neck like a slut.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, we don't want that.

[Big J Okerson]

He's trying to get you horny.

[Jay Oakerson]

That would be a good spot for him, though.

[Big J Okerson]

That would be a good spot. No, no, dude, it's too. Every time I look over at Lou, I'm gonna see Jacob behind him like this. Yeah, I'll be like, lou, can you put on this neck? Never mind.

[Jay Oakerson]

Contagious.

[Big J Okerson]

Hey, I got a great idea for a bit. Lou, put on a karaoke vertical. No, let's take a commercial break.

[Jay Oakerson]

You know what? Let's not do any commercials. We don't. No, we don't need the money.

[Big J Okerson]

Doesn't matter.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, it doesn't matter.

[Big J Okerson]

SiriusXM probably hates us anyway, judging by Jacob's face. Is Jacob the face of SiriusXM in this room? He is.

[Jay Oakerson]

He is. He has the same face as a little. Ah, here he comes.

[Big J Okerson]

Hey, bud.

[Jay Oakerson]

He walked in, he couldn't open the door.

[Big J Okerson]

Hey, buddy.

[Jay Oakerson]

Hey, Jacob.

[Big J Okerson]

We're just talking about you. Prep didn't work this week.

[Jacob]

No, we're out.

[Big J Okerson]

You want a little Tamiflu?

[Jacob]

Can't miss it.

[Big J Okerson]

Did you get a little Tamiflu in you?

[Jacob]

No.

[Big J Okerson]

No.

[Jay Oakerson]

What are you taking? You taking anything?

[Jacob]

Not anymore.

[Jay Oakerson]

Are you. Are you better?

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

Are you sure?

[Jacob]

I just came from the doctor.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Big J Okerson]

Black Lou was saying it's fine if when you blow your nose into your little hankies there, you can just throw it over your shoulder at him. He says germs are for geese.

[Jacob]

What?

[Jay Oakerson]

Doctor said you were fine. Was it a psychological doctor or was it medical?

[Jacob]

That one never clears me.

[Jay Oakerson]

Right, yeah, I was gonna say that one wouldn't.

[Big J Okerson]

Can any of these be doordashed to us by today?

[Jay Oakerson]

We're gonna get. We're trying to get you a. Some type of.

[Big J Okerson]

I'll get you a bubble to live in.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, like John Travolta.

[Jacob]

Please.

[Big J Okerson]

We're close. Yeah, we will. We got you. We got you by the live show today. The people will know that you will be in your own little tent.

[Jacob]

The boy in the plastic bubble.

[Big J Okerson]

Yes.

[Jacob]

When I saw that, I. I just re. Watched it because it means so much to me.

[Big J Okerson]

It's your dream.

[Jacob]

It's my dream.

[Jay Oakerson]

Your dream is to be rolling around in a bubble, but that's why you get plastic bubbles.

[Big J Okerson]

You're so afraid of germs is why when you get sick. You get so sick.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, you need to get germs in.

[Jacob]

I don't get sick that often.

[Big J Okerson]

But when you do, it hits like thunder because you're. You avoid germs too much. Me, I lick the pole, dude. I go in the subway, I lick the pole.

[Jay Oakerson]

That's right. I sit down right on the toilet.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah. I run my hands. I slide my hands down railings and hold my body in the air. And then I eat sandwiches.

[Jay Oakerson]

I shake other guys dicks off in the urinal. And then I just.

[Big J Okerson]

I need sandwiches.

[Jay Oakerson]

I need to wash my hand.

[Big J Okerson]

Door. Dash it.

[Jay Oakerson]

Oh, this is gonna be fantastic.

[Big J Okerson]

I can't wait to have you in a bubble and you can't wait to be in a bubble.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

But I missed. I heard Bobby was a hero. Yeah, I heard all about. Which was great.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, it's. They should have been here.

[Big J Okerson]

Look. This is.

[Jay Oakerson]

That's your. That's your dream, by the way.

[Jacob]

I wanted the story.

[Big J Okerson]

The story was sweet and sour. He was a hero. But I don't know if you heard before he saved the girl. He kept making the joke, turd in the punch bowl.

[Jay Oakerson]

No, I did not. That. That was not a.

[Big J Okerson]

Which was not super classy.

[Jay Oakerson]

I did not make.

[Big J Okerson]

To say to a young black girl while her black sister is drowning.

[Jay Oakerson]

I did not. I did not make.

[Big J Okerson]

And the girl was so young, she didn't even get the joke. He's like, turn the punch bowl. And she gave him nothing. And he goes, turn the punch bowl. And he goes, you're too young or I'll get her.

[Jay Oakerson]

I didn't get the joke until today.

[Big J Okerson]

Turn the punch.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

I listen back, I'm like, oh, that's what he meant.

[Jacob]

Holy.

[Jay Oakerson]

Oh, I got it.

[Big J Okerson]

I was gonna say. Or you got out. Or you got out, right to the girl and realized it wasn't a girl's. A Snickers bar. Come on, dude. Caddyshack. Was that Caddyshack?

[Jay Oakerson]

It was.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

I'm just glad she wasn't like an iceberg when I got there.

[Big J Okerson]

That'd be great. Just an optical illusion. And then you look back at the shore and that little black girl's like, I just killed her dad goes, yo, go out there and trick a white boy into killing himself.

[Jay Oakerson]

Take you up 700 pound ass out of the water.

[Big J Okerson]

You know you won't sink, Shaquanda. You know you can't swim. You know you thick as shit and dents.

[Jay Oakerson]

See a little tiny baby head, 500 pounds underneath it.

[Big J Okerson]

That would have sucked, you know that fast twitch. Muscle fiber sink like a fucking rock.

[Jay Oakerson]

Fast twitch.

[Big J Okerson]

Yes. Black Lou, your thoughts?

[Jay Oakerson]

Dropping the Cosby kids off at the pool?

[Big J Okerson]

Yes.

[Jay Oakerson]

In there somewhere, too.

[Big J Okerson]

That is also. I think you did say that at one point.

[Jay Oakerson]

I did not. No, no, no.

[Big J Okerson]

Dropping some Cosby. And that's about taking a dump, dude. It's not about a young girl dying in AM you were a monster before you were a hero.

[Jay Oakerson]

I never listen. First of all, that's definitely true. 100% true.

[Big J Okerson]

By the way, you were such a monster before these heroics that I don't know if these heroics got you into heaven still. Oh, you may still have some do.

[Jay Oakerson]

I'm. I'm getting into heaven.

[Big J Okerson]

You got to save, like, four more black people.

[Jay Oakerson]

I check. I checked off all the boxes, dude.

[Big J Okerson]

All of them.

[Jay Oakerson]

Now, the country young black girl.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

Was pretty humble. Except for the video I made right after, which I just want to defend myself on that.

[Big J Okerson]

I am defending yourself. It's fine. No one's upset with you.

[Jay Oakerson]

I am an influencer. I'm an influencer and I'm a hero. I can't stop doing one because of the other.

[Big J Okerson]

Of course.

[Jay Oakerson]

You understand what I'm saying. I didn't want to make that video.

[Big J Okerson]

The people need it.

[Jay Oakerson]

I had to make that video.

[Big J Okerson]

People need to know what their influence is that day.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, dude, it was just muscle memory.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

As soon as I was on the beach, I couldn't even breathe. I probably should have took a breath. Boom. I need to. I need to influence this.

[Big J Okerson]

That little girl was able to hang on to you and. And have you float her to safety. And that's why you are Bobby Bowie. Bobby Bowie, everybody.

[Jay Oakerson]

I'm glad that I didn't.

[Big J Okerson]

Our original character on the show, the.

[Jay Oakerson]

Video I took with the girl about how she felt after I saved her.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, my God.

[Jay Oakerson]

No. I had a. Pry some stuff out of her. Yeah, she really wasn't.

[Jacob]

She was.

[Jay Oakerson]

She was really scared.

[Big J Okerson]

She wouldn't talk. She was still spitting out water. And Bobby's like, how does it feel? How does it feel to be saved? How does it feel to have your life be a gift?

[Jacob]

Now, I was on the FaceTiming with the lose yesterday. I said, did Bobby videotape him saving the girl? But, you know, he didn't. But when you did talk about it, you were talking like you were still out of breath from here, from your.

[Jay Oakerson]

That's just me being fat.

[Big J Okerson]

No, he was out of breath. He was still wet after his fucking eyebrow. His eyebrow was up on his forehead.

[Jacob]

So I didn't know the time you had just happened.

[Jay Oakerson]

That just happened. And I didn't think that was legit. I had to separate myself from my reality and go to.

[Big J Okerson]

When Bobby jumped in the water, he had no beard.

[Jacob]

That is exhausting.

[Jay Oakerson]

Water is. Sucks.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

Swimming blows.

[Jacob]

But this legit.

[Jay Oakerson]

I like your swimming. Our swimming is good. That type of swimming. Stay swimming, because you have to.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no. I mean, yeah. I mean, like, you know, floating in the pool.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Floating in your four and a half foot pool is one of my favorite five foot. It's okay.

[Big J Okerson]

Comes about here.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Is my favorite type of pool swimming.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

Just swimming down and standing right up again. That's my favorite swimmer.

[Big J Okerson]

I know. You're like, oh, God, I can't paddle anymore. Good thing I can stand two feet above the water. Good thing my entire torso is out of the water.

[Jacob]

But it's legit. The current that took out Malcolm Jamar Warner, you didn't take you out other side. You saved somebody.

[Big J Okerson]

Other side of the thing you said, right?

[Jacob]

That's a lot.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. They were on the. They were on the Caribbean side. We were on the Pacific side, which I think so.

[Big J Okerson]

It's not Malcolm Jamal Warner's. Malcolm. Jamal Warner's wave would have killed them both.

[Jay Oakerson]

No, my wave. The Pacific side is worse.

[Big J Okerson]

Huh?

[Jay Oakerson]

The Pacific.

[Jacob]

He had the Russ.

[Jay Oakerson]

The Pacific side is worse.

[Big J Okerson]

It turns out on the other side, on the Caribbean side, that's where you drop off the Cosby kids at the pool. Come on, Lou. It came back around full circle. Malcolm Jamal Warner is a Cosby kid. Dropping the Cosby kids off at the pool. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I bring five friends of mine from back home to clap. Every time I clap, Bobby's pretty cool to deal with it. I can't swim. Was he paddling like this? Oh, my God. I acknowledge you're a hero.

[Jay Oakerson]

Well, I think I have three more weeks of it.

[Big J Okerson]

Three more weeks?

[Jay Oakerson]

I think three more weeks.

[Big J Okerson]

Now you could ride it longer than that.

[Jay Oakerson]

How long do you think? Like maybe a month.

[Big J Okerson]

You have to start getting on some news. You have to do the news cycle. I think.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah. I think you have to hit like, maybe get on Gutfeld.

[Jay Oakerson]

That'd be a good one. That'd be. I mean, they're probably be good for my shows too.

[Big J Okerson]

I don't want you to show your eyes either on these things. I want your dark sunglasses.

[Jay Oakerson]

That will sell out all my Florida shows.

[Big J Okerson]

You want me take my kids to the beach tomorrow? Can you be there, please. Bobby Bowie. Bobby Bowie in the house.

[Jay Oakerson]

Jacob? Yeah. How you feeling?

[Jacob]

I'm good.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Were you, like, sick sick?

[Jacob]

Yeah, I was. I. I had to cancel my flight because it was to come back Sunday.

[Jay Oakerson]

And you. You were that sick?

[Jacob]

I was that.

[Jay Oakerson]

Were you throwing up or you just had the flu?

[Jacob]

Throwing up. All.

[Jay Oakerson]

You're pooping?

[Jacob]

No, not pooping, but vomiting.

[Big J Okerson]

Do you whack off at your mom's house?

[Jay Oakerson]

Wow. Wow.

[Big J Okerson]

Never.

[Jay Oakerson]

What?

[Big J Okerson]

Never ever.

[Jacob]

I think when she's left, I will. Look, nobody can be in the house.

[Big J Okerson]

When she's not in the house, she's.

[Jay Oakerson]

Left, like the earth.

[Big J Okerson]

No, when she.

[Jay Oakerson]

Please. I was gonna say. Jesus. What a morbid thing to say. I can't wait.

[Big J Okerson]

You have us. You son of a. Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

You have a brother and a nephew and a brother. Nephews.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

And you have.

[Christine]

Talking about, don't you have a sister, too?

[Jay Oakerson]

I mean.

[Christine]

Jesus.

[Jay Oakerson]

There's still a dog left, too, man.

[Christine]

Didn't you get a new dog?

[Jacob]

Well, I lost my dad, then lost two aunts, and then I lost PETA. We have to put Peter down.

[Jay Oakerson]

You really care.

[Jacob]

But I have one. And then. Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

Well, it was close to okay.

[Jacob]

Rather close. But then, yeah, we still have T. Rex, who is the eyeball list. Yeah, you get the one that.

[Jay Oakerson]

The one you wanted to go.

[Jacob]

No, I want. We like him a lot. He's the one.

[Jay Oakerson]

If you had a choice, you would have let go. It was like, hey, I'm gonna take one of these. You pick. You'd be like, take the one without the eye.

[Jacob]

He's kind of cool because he has no eyeballs and he just likes being.

[Jay Oakerson]

If you could take. If you could get the other one back and that one has to go. Would you do that?

[Jacob]

Come on. I mean, I can't say that. Well, you could for my mom. My mom was more attached to T. Rex, to PETA.

[Jay Oakerson]

Okay. Peter.

[Jacob]

PETA was the little one.

[Jay Oakerson]

Is that PETA? Like, as in, like, saving, like, animals and.

[Jacob]

No, Peter Bread.

[Jay Oakerson]

Oh, it's Jewish.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Big J Okerson]

It's so difficult. Watch how easy the answers are to questions like this. Who would you rather die if you had to choose? Dawn or just some hot chick somewhere?

[Jay Oakerson]

Don. No, no, no. I would. I.

[Big J Okerson]

We're just some hot chick. We're just some hot chick.

[Jay Oakerson]

We made it anyways.

[Big J Okerson]

He's some hot chick. Die.

[Jay Oakerson]

I told you. We made a romantic connection in Costa Rica.

[Big J Okerson]

What does that mean exactly?

[Jay Oakerson]

You know, you fill in the blanks. We had a night. We just got. We were. It was the first time she was.

[Big J Okerson]

Actually off while she told your story, she retold your own story of heroics from her angle. Bobby, get over here. I'm gonna whack you off and tell you what I saw. You were like a fucking dolphin.

[Jacob]

Did I miss this?

[Big J Okerson]

Bobby put on a fucking rash guard shirt before he saved the girl. Put on a tight swim shirt. Save my. Save my thing. As he's putting his shirt on, he's like, you're not laughing at that turd in the punch bowl thing at all, are you? All right, I'm gonna go get her.

[Jacob]

Bobby? Yeah? Can I ask maybe. I don't know if you said this on the show yesterday. Hang on.

[Jay Oakerson]

Lose, lose. Videotaping. Let's just straighten up.

[Jacob]

But you were a hero, and according to your video, Don was crying at how heroic. Did you get any action?

[Jay Oakerson]

Well, yeah. Well, we actually got. You know when your girl looks at you in a certain way when you're out, you know, there's a certain look that your girl gives you, like when you first meet. And over the years, but especially when you first meet, they look up at you and there's something in their eyes, like they're looking at you like.

[Big J Okerson]

She's taller than you, though.

[Jay Oakerson]

No, she's not. She's five two.

[Big J Okerson]

Okay. I really know. I've only been to your shire once. You've been the tallest person in the basement.

[Jay Oakerson]

But she was looking up at me like we were looking at each other. And on the beach a couple times, she came over to me close, and she was giving me early relationship vibes.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

Which I haven't gotten a long time.

[Jacob]

Right after this happened, right after it.

[Jay Oakerson]

Happened, on the beach, we went to the Playa Grande, and the sun was setting and Max was out in the water playing. And she kind of scooted closer next to me, and she just was like, I love this. And I was like, I love you, babe. And she looked at me, she goes. And she's just like, I love you too. And she. But the way she was looking at me, it was. There was a little rekindle of something which we haven't had. Like, she made me feel like a man.

[Big J Okerson]

Did you wash the sand off your hands and fingers?

[Jay Oakerson]

No, I just used the sand dollar.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, my God.

[Jay Oakerson]

Shoved it in sideways and turned it.

[Big J Okerson]

It's like a. That's like a 14 grade grit.

[Jay Oakerson]

I know. It was just, you know, a little something back that immediately has went away since we came back to. Did you, Kelly.

[Big J Okerson]

Did you have sex?

[Jay Oakerson]

We had a good time.

[Big J Okerson]

Doesn't mean anything.

[Jay Oakerson]

It does.

[Announcer]

No.

[Big J Okerson]

She whacked you off while she retold you, huh?

[Jacob]

We.

[Christine]

We.

[Jay Oakerson]

Well, we, we. During the whole week, though, she was. I don't know, it was something that happened to her, I think she was having a. She was so excited about Costa Rica. She was so excited to be there with me. She was having such a good time with me. And that something lit up in her a little bit.

[Big J Okerson]

Did she blossom like a flower for you? Did you feel her. Did you feel her swelling between her legs?

[Jay Oakerson]

Do you feel swelling? I hate blossoming.

[Big J Okerson]

She blossomed for you like a flower, dude. Did she open up for you?

[Jacob]

No.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, she. She kissed me just like my sister.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, nice.

[Jay Oakerson]

No, I'm kidding.

[Big J Okerson]

On your neck.

[Jay Oakerson]

Oh, yeah. In my ear.

[Jacob]

No.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, it was, it was cool. But, like, last night, you know, we went to bed the same time, and it was just a fucking. The bridge from Winterfelt was between us of pillows. She just had that thing up and I was like, hey.

[Jacob]

She's like.

[Jay Oakerson]

She's like, good. Like, you know, I was back to being old roommate Bob. Old college roommate Bob.

[Big J Okerson]

So you smooched on the beach and you said that's the whole thing?

[Jay Oakerson]

I think she called me dude last night. She goes, good night, dude. I was like, all right, later, dude.

[Big J Okerson]

Wait, last night, Last night, you're saying when you were home?

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, well, Sunday we were. I was on the couch with her and I was watching the Pats game. Go, Pat.

[Big J Okerson]

You don't have to whisper it to me. It's fine.

[Jay Oakerson]

No, I'm just trying to be sexy about it. And. Okay, we're on the. I was watching the patch. She came over and she sat next to me, and I was like, why don't you give me a hinge job?

[Big J Okerson]

And. And she was like, I'm watching the game. I'm a sports fan.

[Jay Oakerson]

Drake May has the ball.

[Big J Okerson]

Dude, don't you need me to explain this to you so you can go to work tomorrow and talk about it? Don't you need me to watch this game so I can tell you what to say tomorrow on the radio so he doesn't like a fool?

[Jay Oakerson]

His name's Rabel.

[Big J Okerson]

I don't know why I make dawn sound like Ted Kennedy.

[Jay Oakerson]

Oh, she does a. Yeah. So I don't know, it's. It was a good little. It's nice when you. I don't like when you. Your girl becomes your roommate. It sucks when they start talking to you like a dude. I, I, I gotta check her on that a lot in the last that. I just don't like it, you know what I mean? I don't like when Max calls me mom, dad. He'll call me dude or something Good dude.

[Big J Okerson]

I call Christine bruh. The N word. Weirdo.

[Jacob]

That hero luster doesn't last like a. Lasted a couple of days.

[Jay Oakerson]

Well, no, it was before the hero thing. The hero thing enhanced it a little bit. You know what I mean?

[Big J Okerson]

But a little bit.

[Jay Oakerson]

It was before it.

[Big J Okerson]

You gotta save a girl to get a kiss on the beach.

[Jay Oakerson]

No, I. I thought for sure you.

[Big J Okerson]

Guys were going crazy.

[Jay Oakerson]

Costa Rica really did something to her. She was really having a. She really did something to us. She was having a beautiful little time with me out there. It reminded me when we first used to go to Aruba, right? We used to go by ourselves and we stayed anywhere, really didn't where we could afford. And we used to. You know, we used to really. We'd wake up, go to the beach, put oil, just plain oil, like olive oil, and just lie out in the sun and become a different race. And then at night, we'd. We would smoke and play cards and then we'd fool around in weird places and we go to the other side of the island and do some weird. I mean, I used to make her take your top off. Like nobody was around. Like sexy, you know? And then, you know, you have a kid and that kind of goes away and, you know, she hits menopause. I said, pre menopause did this goes full.

[Big J Okerson]

I think.

[Jay Oakerson]

But I was like, all right. I don't know.

[Big J Okerson]

I think my question. You're saying it was a sexy time, but no sex.

[Jay Oakerson]

No, I'm not, I'm. I'm not saying we had sex. Look, a gentleman doesn't kiss and tell, Jay. What a gentleman. Now that I'm a hero, I can't act the way I used to act.

[Christine]

Oh.

[Jay Oakerson]

I have a different. I have a different fan base now.

[Big J Okerson]

I didn't realize that you stepped up a level, Jay.

[Jay Oakerson]

I have a whole different fan base.

[Big J Okerson]

You're socially on a different level than me now.

[Jay Oakerson]

I'm socially.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, I don't understand.

[Jay Oakerson]

A different level. Listen, I don't.

[Big J Okerson]

I'm just down here as a. I'm a victim always. Not a hero.

[Jay Oakerson]

I mean, I appreciate your humor, but.

[Big J Okerson]

You know, I thank you. That's a lot coming from a hero. Confirmed hero does.

[Jay Oakerson]

I mean, don't you and Christine every once in a while do you guys. I mean, I. You see, you guys, you guys are lovey dovey. I love being at your house with you guys. You're very lovey dovey.

[Big J Okerson]

What?

[Jay Oakerson]

You are. You are. You are.

[Big J Okerson]

Dude, what are you talking about?

[Jay Oakerson]

When you're at the house, you guys curl up together and, I mean, I never see you make it out or anything, but you don't even see us curl up together on the couch outside. We've curled up. She goes right next to you.

[Jacob]

False.

[Jay Oakerson]

No.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, if she's next to me, it's because you have accidentally taken her spot on the other couch.

[Jay Oakerson]

What is she fucking Edith Bunker? Yes, Archie. He took my chair. Archie. All right, you ding bad. Sit next to me.

[Big J Okerson]

All right, I guess there's nowhere else to go because Bobby stole your seat.

[Jay Oakerson]

Did I steal your seat? Is that your seat when I sit over there?

[Big J Okerson]

There is not a position in the world where there's not a dog between us.

[Christine]

That's not true. Not all the time.

[Jay Oakerson]

Oh, I, I, I, I think when I'm over there, you guys are very much like homemakers. Like, I walk in, you guys are. She's doing stuff. The house looks very like it's been lived in for years, and we're not even in the same room. All right, dude, maybe I misread it.

[Christine]

He's ever say anything about our relationship being good? He's like, that's crazy.

[Jay Oakerson]

It should be compliments that you're enjoying, but you're like, you're just making a thing off. I'm not. I, I see that you guys are. Look, I see you out in public at the here. You're very, it's very business. It's very, you know, you know, skank fest. I don't see you guys, you know, you guys, she's doing her thing. You're doing. I see you at a lot of business things. I don't see you at your business, dude. No, it's not. You guys made it a home. You guys are.

[Big J Okerson]

Home is business.

[Jay Oakerson]

You're a lovely couple together. You did a great job. Except for the lights. Oh, the Christmas lights. You should just keep them at this point.

[Big J Okerson]

I think they cost. I think it's $7,000 a month.

[Jay Oakerson]

It's outrageous. Oh, I told Don. She was like, what? We have two lasers on the front that don't work.

[Big J Okerson]

You're getting whacked off on the beach.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, no, I, I think there's something, Something happened here in Costa Rica where she became, I think she became. She had all kinds of little cute outfits on, you know, I think because when a, on a housewife or a, you know, a stay at home Mom. She's always, she's always momming. She's always, you know, it's like hair's up sweatpants I got to do. There's no time, I'm out working, blah blah blah. But when she got to go to Costa Rica, she had all these outfits. She got up, she looked cute every day. She had little necklaces and you know, her bathing suit.

[Big J Okerson]

We.

[Jay Oakerson]

Oh dude, it was hilarious. She called herself Chubby Junkins. She came out of the bathroom the night before leaving with her. She goes, how's this look? I go, oh wow. Because she's got a little chub on her. She started dance. She goes, chubby Chunkins. Chubby Chunk, chubby, chubby, chubby chunk. Going to Costa Rica. So all week long she go on the beach, be like Chubby Chumpkins here.

[Big J Okerson]

You made this song up.

[Jay Oakerson]

She made it up.

[Big J Okerson]

She made the song up.

[Jay Oakerson]

I couldn't make it up. She slapped me.

[Big J Okerson]

She made it up.

[Jay Oakerson]

Oh, it made me laugh. I was doing the ch. I made a song. You want to hear the song I made for her? I love it.

[Big J Okerson]

If Christine started doing that on a beach, I'd go, that's my sister Chubby Chumpkins.

[Jay Oakerson]

That's my sister Chubby Ch.

[Big J Okerson]

Have you guys met my sister Chubby Chumpkins?

[Jay Oakerson]

I was making songs all week about Chubby Jumpkins. Chubby Junkins. Oh man, it made me laugh. Where is it? Where is my library? Here you go. You want some Chubby Chumpkin songs? I hate this Internet. Here, wait, let me play this one. Is this it? No, that's the bone.

[Big J Okerson]

The.

[Jay Oakerson]

Was that the AI seems song to bona pic? No.

[Big J Okerson]

What is happening?

[Jay Oakerson]

I'm trying. I'm trying to do the Chubby. Oh, here it is right here. Oh, that's not it.

[Big J Okerson]

Bobby. If are you finding a way. Are you plugging Bone the Pick hard right now on the show? Listen, how many theme songs do you have?

[Jay Oakerson]

We're going to stop cancel. We're going to cancel. Bone to pick. By the way, we're just gas, snacks, tolls. This trip is draining my wallet.

[Announcer]

Yeah, but we'll be with family.

[Big J Okerson]

You're in a good mood.

[Jay Oakerson]

What's your deal?

[Big J Okerson]

What's my deal?

[Announcer]

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[Jay Oakerson]

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[Announcer]

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[Jay Oakerson]

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[Big J Okerson]

Here it is. Bone to pick. Bone, bone to pick.

[Jay Oakerson]

I play this every time. She came down to the beach and she sat dancing in a little outfit.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, my God.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, she's. She's all right. She likes it. We're a chubby couple. This is the other one. This is when she came into a restaurant. Chubby, nice.

[Big J Okerson]

I like that.

[Jay Oakerson]

But she did the little dance. She was into it. Yeah. No, there's something, something happened. I like it. I like it. Maybe we're, you know, because when a girl, when your girl starts treating you like a roommate, which happens a lot when you. I mean, we've been together for. Married 18, going on 19 together 30 years, you know, a kid 12 years. It you become like part business partners almost. You know, she runs all my. She takes care of all my flights and all that stuff. And I'm, you know, I hand her a check. She does all the bills. She's my money manager type person, so I get it. But now, like going to Costa Rica, she got to wear sexy outfits and put makeup on. Her hair was down. She's got this sick lion's man hair that I never get to see. You know what I mean?

[Big J Okerson]

So it's like you're reinvigorated.

[Jay Oakerson]

I. I get reinvigorated Pretty easy. I'll see her all dressed up, and I'm like, let's go. Let me go take a couple lizard swipes.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah. And then she's like, you have to go say. She goes, bobby, you're gonna have to save an ethnic child if you want. Bobby, I'm gonna need you to save an ethnic child.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Yeah. So we'll see what happens when you go. But when you come back, it's like, now you're back to your world. Right? You know, I went to bed last night. She's wiped. What do you do?

[Big J Okerson]

I mean, you know, you were looking the last night.

[Jay Oakerson]

I was looking for something with my penis, you know, so your penis was.

[Big J Okerson]

Paid attention to on this trip.

[Jay Oakerson]

We did well. We did all right. Thank you. Can I get the full glove clap? Thank you very much. Yeah.

[Big J Okerson]

It's just fingertips.

[Jay Oakerson]

It was good. It was good. You know, and it's weird because it's the first time we did it after her, she got. You know, she got her breast implants removed, so she has her original titties in from when I met her.

[Big J Okerson]

It was your first go round with those.

[Jay Oakerson]

First. It was almost like. It was. It was so weird because she was looking at me like, treating me like when we first met. But then she had her original boobies back, too, so it was almost like the original Dawn. You know what I mean?

[Big J Okerson]

It was like.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Oh, it was, like, weird because I like her little B cup. She had. She had those little B cups, and they fixed the one nipple that was a little bigger, so they're both the same size.

[Big J Okerson]

And then you encouraged her to get implants?

[Jay Oakerson]

No, I. She wanted implants. She came to me. She worked. She used to do laser hair removal. She was like. I told. She was like one of the top estheticians in Manhattan, and she worked with Dr. Gail. She moved over to him and was doing this on the side, making a ton of cash. Boy, did I love when Don was making fucking sick cash, man, Was that a relief. I didn't give a fuck if a room was half sold. I didn't give a fuck, if you know what I mean? I didn't care because she was bringing in the dough. And she. The. The guy that worked with her in the same office was the, like, number one breast implant guy in Manhattan. Like, all the Playmates would go to him.

[Big J Okerson]

I just want to say real quick, though, that wouldn't work out with me and Christine having tons of cash making it good is she has tons of cash, but it's all Hers. We spend my cash.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, well, you make a lot of cash.

[Big J Okerson]

I do fine. For sure.

[Jay Oakerson]

You do great.

[Big J Okerson]

Right? But Christine's cash flow has never helped me once.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, but her cash flow isn't compared to your cash flow.

[Christine]

You moved in with me, we split the bills.

[Big J Okerson]

Your cash. Wow. Cash flow.

[Christine]

It did contribute. I contributed.

[Jay Oakerson]

Ticket she's been holding for a while.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, no. She said that one before. It was short lived.

[Jay Oakerson]

Well, Don paid for everything for me back when we met. I didn't. I didn't have enough money. I had five jobs, like one hour a day, you know, and she. She was an esthetician and a waitress. She had tons of cash and she lived with her parents. So anytime we went out to eat, it was like, yeah, we'll go, but I'm not paying. The biggest fight we ever got into when we. She wanted to go to. What's that? The Cheesecake Factory. When it first opened, that was like a fancy restaurant to me.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

And I was like, she's like, I want to go here. I'm like, I don't. You're paying for the balls. The fancy bowls.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah. If me and Carla had a couple bucks back in the day, it was like we went to Fridays. You knew? It was like, yo, we can afford Fridays this week.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Big J Okerson]

It was like Jack Daniels ribs, riblets.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, dude. That was like a Cheesecake factory to me. Was like, this is stupid to do. We could go down to the local steak. Eight bucks. You get a salad, steak tips, rice. You want to go in here? I was like, I remember yelling at her Sizzler. I was like, you're paying for the bowls. They have fancy bowls. And she's like, I'll pay. I'm like, fine, you pay. And then she paid.

[Big J Okerson]

Damn, dude. Yeah, get after it.

[Jay Oakerson]

I had no money. I lived in a. Had no money.

[Big J Okerson]

Christine also for the fact we broke the bills were broken up three ways with me, her and Fenoya. Right. But that didn't even last that long.

[Christine]

That's like three years.

[Jay Oakerson]

That's a long time.

[Big J Okerson]

Three of 14 years.

[Jay Oakerson]

Three or 14. That's a.

[Big J Okerson]

Almost a quarter. Eleven years. She hasn't worried about it at all.

[Jay Oakerson]

Still a quarter of your relationship, she paid.

[Big J Okerson]

Some would say that's a hero.

[Christine]

You're my hero.

[Big J Okerson]

Shut up. Shut up.

[Jay Oakerson]

Take it in, dude. Take it in. Take it in.

[Big J Okerson]

I only understand when Saliva Nickelback say, provider.

[Jay Oakerson]

Jay is a great provider.

[Christine]

He is a great provider.

[Jay Oakerson]

One of the most Everybody. One of the most generous dudes I know. Yeah, yeah. I Would say him and Mike Halter are probably the two most. And Louie, you. Louie, my culture are the most generous. I mean, crazy generous.

[Big J Okerson]

No.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yes. Don't.

[Big J Okerson]

Moderately.

[Jay Oakerson]

No, not. Listen, man, why can't you take any. You can't take any happiness. Why the can't you take anything? You can't take it.

[Big J Okerson]

It's not my vibe, dude.

[Christine]

He's like, I suck.

[Jay Oakerson]

Why? Why stupid? Why you gotta take it in. Dude, you are. And you have a fucking beautiful home relationship.

[Big J Okerson]

With who? Her right there.

[Jay Oakerson]

That pretty woman right there. Dawkins.

[Big J Okerson]

We watch tv, we build Legos.

[Christine]

We do build Legos.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. What do you see the new Legos they have? They had the big electronic convention in Vegas. Which I want to go to one. One day.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, dude, they have. We should go out there. They have. I think the porn convention and the electronics have the same time.

[Big J Okerson]

Consumer electronics.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. You go there, I go here.

[Big J Okerson]

Why do I have to go to the porn one?

[Jay Oakerson]

Well, you'll come with me and then I'll go to that one with you. Because that's your expertise. Mine is gadgets and technology.

[Big J Okerson]

I don't have expertise in porn stars. I was nominated for an AVN that's called an expert. I will say also that the crossover there was devastating. When we were there at the CORN Awards, I was surprised how people did know me at the CORN Awards. Dude, it's like a lot of guys who whack off who are waiting in a fucking four hour line to meet Lisa Ann are also pretty stoked to see me walk by.

[Jay Oakerson]

Of course they are. Of course they are. Like, are you in?

[Big J Okerson]

I like to laugh and jerk. And you're. Oh my God. I never thought those two worlds would collide. My favorite laugh and my favorite jerk standing next to each other.

[Jay Oakerson]

I bet you'd be popular over at the nerd fest too. Maybe all those guys.

[Big J Okerson]

Less. Yeah, that's more. Asian businessmen looking to the porn stars next door. You know, that's why the AVN started.

[Jay Oakerson]

Why is that the porn award?

[Big J Okerson]

Because those. The girls, all the porn girls would come from LA to go out there and just get hotels and start prostituting themselves for the wealthy tech guys.

[Jay Oakerson]

No.

[Big J Okerson]

So they would be hookers. And then they were like, well, everyone's out here. Why don't we do an awards show based on that? We just do it right next door. And they did. They literally. It's next door to each other.

[Jay Oakerson]

That is a fun fact.

[Big J Okerson]

If I've ever resorts World and the.

[Jay Oakerson]

Did you find that on the bottom of a Snapple Cap?

[Big J Okerson]

No, I found that out at the porn awards.

[Jay Oakerson]

Really?

[Big J Okerson]

They were like, this is why it always happens at the same exact time.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Big J Okerson]

And that is because the girls also, they said, though now it's kind of like an antiquated idea now. Because they did that initially. But now the girls, they're not gonna like. It depends. I mean, those. I'm sure they'll take money for a bill. You know, a millionaire guy, 100% who's gonna give him. But they also. I think there's less of that now because they're all there making content for their own things. So now they're like, what they look at it more as. Not that the businessmen are there, they're like, oh, all the porn stars and stuff are here, so let's do a collaboration scene for whatever. So it's a lot of that shit.

[Jay Oakerson]

Aren't they the ones.

[Big J Okerson]

Long story short. Long story short, I didn't see even. I didn't see in person nudity anywhere at all. At one point once during the AVN awards week and I was there. Nothing cheaper. Yeah, well, I thought it was going to be a thing like go up to room, you know, 1002 and there's a fucking. They're filming like a fucking orgy scene, you know, hey, you're here. Go up and watch.

[Jay Oakerson]

That's the way I felt about Key West. I thought it'd be a lot gayer. It was not a little freer, I thought, I thought to be a lot more queens run around trans. Just a bunch of Trump people with just shirts off.

[Big J Okerson]

Are you talking about Key West? Key west or Costa Rica?

[Jay Oakerson]

When I went to Key West, I thought it'd be a lot.

[Big J Okerson]

We say it's like crazy. It's like a Trump island.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, it's like a lot. Yeah, it's like it was. I was like this. I mean, I guess there is times when it's really gay, but I thought it was like half, half gay.

[Big J Okerson]

I was hoping it was going to be more like when we went to that Garden of Eden place, I was like, oh, it's like the clothing optional place. Yeah, like. But it's in Key west, so it's going to be everybody out there. The only thing that was exciting was a couple of girls, I think, that were at the show. I think. But if they weren't, they were just. We saw them early when we got to that bar, if you remember. But like they were like, kind of like, like, oh my God, it's clothing option. They were kind of like pulling Their titties out for a second. That was kind of cool. But really, besides that. The only other nudity was a guy came in about Jacob's size, wearing cut off shorts and a tank top. And he, and he literally like danced like this over to a corner by himself, took off his shirt, dropped his pants with his wang out and then just like went like this into the crowd of people.

[Jay Oakerson]

Sure, it wasn't Jacob. That's the only time he lets us know.

[Christine]

But it also like wasn't that good.

[Big J Okerson]

He goes, oh, you haven't seen Key West Jacob. Dude, this guy hangs dong everywh.

[Jay Oakerson]

Goes, he wasn't sick this weekend. He didn't get a flight back from Key West.

[Big J Okerson]

Jacob won't even show up unless it's clothing optional. Titties. I gotta, I gotta have the option to let my wang hang. But yeah, when I get in, there was just a guy, just like a little, a little bald guy with his wiener out and then two girls almost showing their titties.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, I thought there was gonna be tits everywhere. Drag queens, transvestite. There was no. I mean it was just a. It was just a bunch of rednecks walking around eating key lime pie. Which stinks, by the way. And Ralph, key lime pie blows.

[Big J Okerson]

I like it.

[Jay Oakerson]

It's not, it's, it's not.

[Big J Okerson]

I don't give a shit.

[Jay Oakerson]

No, I'd rather.

[Big J Okerson]

If I never had it again, I'd be fine.

[Jay Oakerson]

I think pumpkin pie is the shit. Apple pie is awesome.

[Big J Okerson]

Are you talking about key lime where it's like bright green? Because that's, that's never good.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, it's like a meringue. Like that's their thing. You got to try the key lime pie. I tried it three times. I took one bite out of all of it and it all sucked.

[Big J Okerson]

Well, it's like sour tasting. That's the idea.

[Jay Oakerson]

Stinks.

[Big J Okerson]

I think it's good. You love it, Bobby. Go on, go on, Bobby. Because this is the world that I live in is why everybody ends up hating me at some point. I have the same thing. She goes, I love it. Love it. It's a good question, right?

[Jay Oakerson]

You don't love it.

[Big J Okerson]

It's a good question, Bobby. You asked right there.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Big J Okerson]

You love it. Why would you say you love it? Do you love it? You never seek it out?

[Jay Oakerson]

Never.

[Big J Okerson]

Never had it one time in a home I've been in with you in ever. We had it one time in Key.

[Jay Oakerson]

West because you're supposed to love it.

[Big J Okerson]

Do you love it?

[Jay Oakerson]

Let me ask a question. Would you rather. What's your favorite pie?

[Christine]

Pumpkin.

[Jay Oakerson]

Okay, so would you rather have key lime pie or pumpkin pie? What's your second favorite pie? Rhubarb. Okay. What's your third favorite pie?

[Christine]

Apple.

[Jay Oakerson]

If you don't say key lime pie, you don't love it. You like it.

[Big J Okerson]

Because now she's getting down to pies that she only likes.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. She went to rhubarb before key lime.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah, well, she was trying to.

[Jay Oakerson]

She was trying to. Yeah.

[Big J Okerson]

Rhubarb was. First of all. She means strawberry rhubarb. Because rhubarb would just be bitter. It's.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, rhubarb.

[Big J Okerson]

I.

[Christine]

Actually, the first calendar, specifically.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

First sexual experience I've had was a rhubarb bush.

[Big J Okerson]

Nice.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. But Spicer park in South Medford.

[Big J Okerson]

I don't know if you heard her again, by the way. It's a very specific rhubarb. Strawberry.

[Jay Oakerson]

It's from. Yeah, I know.

[Christine]

Was it Marie Callender?

[Big J Okerson]

Marie Calendar. So that's her second favorite piece. But she loves key lime pie. That's what I deal with instead of hand jobs.

[Jay Oakerson]

You live with a magazine girl, huh? You have a magazine girl?

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

She sees a pie in a magazine, I gotta get that.

[Big J Okerson]

But she's pretty good at Legos and she shuts up while I watch tv.

[Jay Oakerson]

So now you guys do legos at the electronics convention. They have new legos that hook up to shit and, like, play music and sound.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

And you can, like.

[Big J Okerson]

You make like a record player or something.

[Jay Oakerson]

You can make things with them. And they have electronic in it now that hooks up to, like, I think, a Bluetooth or something. I didn't see those.

[Big J Okerson]

You can add lights and stuff.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, new Legos are supposed to be the. So, yeah, that'd be a good gift if you guys are. Why, what kind of Legos do you do?

[Big J Okerson]

Like, Christine got me the Love Park Philly statue.

[Jay Oakerson]

Nice.

[Big J Okerson]

So she helped me build that.

[Jay Oakerson]

Did she get you the one that they have in the other towns, too?

[Big J Okerson]

What do you mean?

[Jay Oakerson]

The love.

[Big J Okerson]

The.

[Jay Oakerson]

The statue. They have that in a bunch of other towns.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah, but City of Brotherly Love is where it originated.

[Jay Oakerson]

Oh, okay.

[Big J Okerson]

But, yeah, it's a Love park statue. We did that one first. Yeah, that was. It was fun. Yeah, it is. Yeah. I was talking to Jim, Big Jim, about Legos, and I said, yeah, me and Christine started doing Legos. And he was like, yeah, I was thinking about the Legos this weekend. I go, I know, man, we should.

[Jay Oakerson]

Just get new chicks when you Hit Legos.

[Big J Okerson]

When you hit Legos?

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, Big Jim does Legos.

[Big J Okerson]

He said he was thinking about doing Legos.

[Jay Oakerson]

Why?

[Big J Okerson]

Because he was bored. Because his wife was sick. The whole.

[Jay Oakerson]

I never thought I would, I would, I would go movie, book. I would go to seven other things.

[Big J Okerson]

I would do Lego over book any day.

[Jay Oakerson]

Can I tell you what happened to me in the last, I don't know, three months?

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah, you became a hero.

[Jay Oakerson]

Became a hero.

[Big J Okerson]

Your wife had sex with you.

[Jay Oakerson]

We had a good time. Dude, I can't stop reading books.

[Big J Okerson]

Well, sure you can. You're not reading a book right now, buddy.

[Jay Oakerson]

I've never read books. I've tried to read books. I couldn't get through a book if you paid me. I only got through a couple books in my life. I've hated it. I've always. I read a book a couple months ago, a few months ago, maybe, maybe three months ago, two and a half.

[Big J Okerson]

Months ago, I read a book, Tactile book. You're not talking about listening, but.

[Jay Oakerson]

Well, no, I get it on my little, my little kindle type of device.

[Big J Okerson]

That's what I'm saying. But yeah, you're reading it.

[Jay Oakerson]

I'm reading it. No, I can't. Listening to it is a stupid.

[Big J Okerson]

I never tried.

[Jay Oakerson]

I, I, I, I read this book in three days. And then I got Louie's book. I read that in a week, just called him. I, I went, I actually went over his house and talked to him about the book because I had all these questions about it, and then he actually gave me a hard copy. I, I read another book called the Road in, like, I think, four days.

[Big J Okerson]

Good book.

[Jay Oakerson]

I can't stop.

[Big J Okerson]

I. Cormac McCarthy.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, that's right. I can't stop reading. I'm reading a book, Empire of the sun, about the Comanche Indians. Now I, at night, I read. I wake up in the morning, I read.

[Big J Okerson]

I've read the Road.

[Jay Oakerson]

I love it. I love reading.

[Big J Okerson]

You ever see the Road? The movie?

[Jay Oakerson]

I don't want to see the movie.

[Big J Okerson]

Why?

[Jay Oakerson]

Because, I don't know, the book was so good and I loved it. So when it was over movie, I just don't want to. I don't want to, you know, I don't want them to ruin what I think of the book, you know, if I watch it, but I don't know what. Gee, like something happened in my brain where I can just sit there for hours and read planes. I read. I can't stop reading.

[Big J Okerson]

It's your Legos, dude. You got to find something to Put the energy.

[Jay Oakerson]

It makes me sleep better. Like, at night, instead of on my phone, I read. I go right out. I've been dreaming now. I have, like, insane dreams that you're jerking off now.

[Big J Okerson]

Reading.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, it's weird. Like, I never liked reading. I hated reading, and now I read. I read all the time. I can't wait to read. I was reading on the train here about the Comanche Indians.

[Big J Okerson]

Really?

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Dude, I love. Dude, the Indians got what they got.

[Big J Okerson]

No, tell me a story about that.

[Jay Oakerson]

Well, what happened was they were actually here before us. Shut up, dude, I swear to God.

[Big J Okerson]

Come on. America.

[Jay Oakerson]

America.

[Big J Okerson]

Where were they at, though? Like Oklahoma or something?

[Jay Oakerson]

No, they were actually all over.

[Big J Okerson]

What? Ew.

[Jay Oakerson]

When we got here, we kicked them out of the East. And they were majestic Indians. They were tall and in shape and beautiful Indians.

[Big J Okerson]

And they weren't bulletproof.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, we fought.

[Big J Okerson]

We.

[Jay Oakerson]

I mean, I've always thought that the Indians, you know, they're savages and stuff. We were just pieces of. We were pieces of.

[Big J Okerson]

Dude, they were savages.

[Jay Oakerson]

No, here's why they call.

[Big J Okerson]

They would kill you with. With instruments and tools made of rudimentary, like, you know, sticks.

[Jay Oakerson]

You got it.

[Big J Okerson]

Sticks wrapped around, like, rocks and like that.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

Tomahawks. There you go. Keep going.

[Big J Okerson]

Bows and arrows.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Big J Okerson]

They came. They were too. They were savages.

[Jay Oakerson]

The reason why they call them savages, not that they killed you with bows and arrows or tomahawks, is what. They didn't just kill you. They would bury you up to your eyes alive and then cut your eyelids off. They would cut your stomach open, pull your. Your intestines out, and then put hot coals nice on your intestines. They'd cut your genitals off and put it in your mouth.

[Big J Okerson]

Okay.

[Jay Oakerson]

They would. What they did to you after they stabbed you or shot you. The way they made you die was why they were called savages. Because at that point, we would shoot people, slap somebody with a glove and go, I'll duel you at noon. We had certain ways, or, you know, dignity of how we fought people. They were just like savages the way, you know, what they would do to you after you animals. Well.

[Big J Okerson]

You hear that? Remaining Comanches, your animals. You heard of here, Bobby?

[Jay Oakerson]

No.

[Big J Okerson]

He'll meet you on the playing field of New Hampshire.

[Jay Oakerson]

Well, they, they, they, they. We them big time. Dude, look how cool they were. I mean, they were the.

[Jacob]

Yeah, but you don't want your own penis in your mouth.

[Jay Oakerson]

Well, yeah, but don't go and, you know, burn up their Teepees.

[Jacob]

Fair enough.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, dude, we, we. You know, they were just hanging out, having a good time, hunting buffalo.

[Jacob]

But if I.

[Jay Oakerson]

Their wives are making necklaces and.

[Jacob]

And if I do burn your teepee, I still don't think you should put my. My own penis in my mouth.

[Jay Oakerson]

Well, not if you want it. What if that's what you're into? If. If it can fit. Mine wouldn't fit. They'd be like, his dick too big to fit in mouth.

[Big J Okerson]

We have to cut cheek too big. Must cut in half and put in other person's mouth.

[Jay Oakerson]

Must do piecemeal.

[Big J Okerson]

This is a real two mealer, if you know what I mean.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, it's. It's just weird to me that I. I'm just. I can't stop.

[Big J Okerson]

You'd have to pack my mouth with other things so my dick even hung out of it so you'd know what was happening. He goes, oh my God, his dick's hanging out of his mouth. He goes, what's behind it? He goes, just like 55 cotton balls.

[Jay Oakerson]

Running Horse, I told you to cut his dick off. I've been looking for it for 45 minutes.

[Big J Okerson]

They put my dick in my mouth and just goes too far in. Well, you can't really tell it's in his mouth now.

[Jay Oakerson]

Running Horse, I said cut his dick off, put it in his mouth, not push it into his body. He did that himself.

[Big J Okerson]

Goes that his mouth's too big or his dick's too small. Sir. I don't think they call him sir. Chief.

[Jay Oakerson]

Chief.

[Big J Okerson]

Penis too big or mouth too small.

[Jacob]

The coals.

[Big J Okerson]

The Falcon Claros.

[Jacob]

They would cut your intestines open and put coals while you're still alive.

[Jay Oakerson]

While you're still all. Yeah, all this stuff was while you're still alive. A lot of it. One of the things they did that was they would tie you to two wagons and then roast you alive.

[Big J Okerson]

Jesus Christ.

[Jay Oakerson]

So they would come up just guy like beef jerky.

[Big J Okerson]

Sometimes they're gonna just like. They'll sew your asshole shut. Just your asshole. And keep feeding you and feeding you. Or sometimes they would put your nuts on a dresser, right? Just your nuts, right? And take a spiked baseball bat and blow. Blow. You guys don't listen to Wu Tang Clan?

[Jay Oakerson]

Nope.

[Big J Okerson]

Torture, motherfucker. Come on. It was one of the greatest put on torture by Wu Tang Clan.

[Jay Oakerson]

That was kind of. That was a little gay.

[Big J Okerson]

Nuh. Don't say that. The Wu Tang Clan thinks so. Lou. You got it.

[Jay Oakerson]

That part was a little. That song is a little Imma put.

[Big J Okerson]

Your nuts on the drip. Just your nuts.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, that was a little.

[Big J Okerson]

And blah. Whack them shits with a spike baseball.

[Jay Oakerson]

That means he's gonna have to grab the guy's nuts.

[Big J Okerson]

No, it's not on that. It's on Wu Tang Clan. What's it up? What's it before. It's on the first album. No, it's tort. I think it's before Method Man. Yeah. Torture.

[Jay Oakerson]

Jacob would have got killed back.

[Big J Okerson]

Enter the woods. But enter the 36 chambers.

[Jay Oakerson]

Jacob would have. Jacob would have converted to a squaw. You would have said Jacob with long hair by the river, washing out these savages will do.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

I like to think of myself to.

[Big J Okerson]

A bedpost with your ass cheeks spread out and I'll put a hanger on the stove.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, yeah. This is the part that Max went. What did you say? I was like, I, I. This is not the song for you.

[Big J Okerson]

Just. Just your nuts on the dresser. You're just your nuts laying on the dresser. Yeah, but coat hanging with a screwdriver. Boom. Blow.

[Jay Oakerson]

So he must have improv this and then after been like, what'd I just say? What is the coat hanger in the asshole thing? I don't know if I like that part. But he knows he's gonna have.

[Big J Okerson]

I will put hot coals in your intestines until your intestines explode and bury you and pee on your head. Blow and I'll hit them shits with a rusty screwdriver. Blow. Blow. Can you AI a Native American person doing torture by Wu Tang? I bet that's possible. Hell yeah, I can. And I'll stab them shits with a rusty screwdriver like Blau.

[Jay Oakerson]

What is the coat hanger in the thing? I don't understand that part.

[Big J Okerson]

Torture. It's torture. You put a hot hanger on the stove and you let that get red hot.

[Jay Oakerson]

Oh, hot. Yeah, hot. And then you burn his ass.

[Big J Okerson]

And then you stuck it in the. Like. Did you listen?

[Jay Oakerson]

That doesn't say. That's not. That doesn't sound too manly.

[Big J Okerson]

It's torture.

[Jay Oakerson]

Even the Indians be like, that is gay.

[Big J Okerson]

It's torture, Bobby. No, dude. Grabbing a guy.

[Jay Oakerson]

We might be savages, but that is too gay for us.

[Big J Okerson]

Cutting off a guy's wiener and repositioning it in his mouth is gay. That seems like a gay crime.

[Jay Oakerson]

If you push it in and out, it's gay. Let me just put it once.

[Big J Okerson]

Look, look. Sitting Bull, look. Who am I?

[Jay Oakerson]

In and out.

[Big J Okerson]

Who am I right now? He's just his mouth with his own wiener. Who am I? Who's this?

[Jay Oakerson]

You know, they had. Was interesting fact. They had trans people have been around for so long. And the Indians.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, don't say that. They stir them up.

[Jay Oakerson]

Indians had trans people, but they weren't like. They weren't looked down upon. They were called two spirited people.

[Big J Okerson]

No, seriously, this is sits to pee.

[Jay Oakerson]

No, it was called. Yeah, they had.

[Big J Okerson]

Chief sits to be.

[Jay Oakerson]

No, it wouldn't become chief. They had to go with the women. No, they. Yeah, they had trans Indians back in the day called two spirited people. They were born a man but identified as women.

[Big J Okerson]

One spirit masculine, the other bitchy.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Is that it right there? The two spirited people?

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah, a modern Pan Indian umbrella term for indigenous North Americans who embody both masculine and feminine spirits. Wow. It's better. It does sound better when you say it's two spirits inside of you versus just saying. It's a. It's a guy who's not getting pussy, so he wants to put a dress on.

[Jay Oakerson]

He just wants to take a shit in a girl's.

[Big J Okerson]

Yes, that's it.

[Jay Oakerson]

Girl's bathroom because it's cleaner.

[Big J Okerson]

Turn up my jam. That's it. There is something I want to ask you.

[Jay Oakerson]

I wonder if they did the voice back then.

[Big J Okerson]

What do you mean?

[Jay Oakerson]

Hey, what's up, coaches?

[Big J Okerson]

They didn't develop that yet.

[Jay Oakerson]

Hey, Coach Cheese. Is that a buffalo high for me? Are you just happy to see me?

[Big J Okerson]

No, it's all straight up. No, it's just the straight goes. He goes. Oh, you.

[Jay Oakerson]

You think they didn't.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, you sassy little.

[Jay Oakerson]

You think they had the voice? The accent?

[Big J Okerson]

Not yet.

[Jay Oakerson]

When did the accent. When did the accent come into play?

[Jacob]

I was thinking about that.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, come on, girl.

[Jacob]

Look, if you're gay and they switch to that.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. When was the accent?

[Big J Okerson]

When did the accent Come on now, girl, I'm on the fence. I do find them to be funny. I'm prefacing here. I do find to be funny. But I got to be honest, I don't know how I feel fully about the. Somehow they made it to my algorithm. Rainbow Dads. And I find them very entertaining. Right. Isn't that what they're. Isn't that the guys?

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, I do. I like them a lot.

[Big J Okerson]

I got some bad football stuff's come across.

[Jay Oakerson]

My two guys, they live up near me and they're, you know, one of them. You know, they're kind of. I don't know what you call them.

[Big J Okerson]

Bears. Yeah. Big guys.

[Jay Oakerson]

One guy's a bear. One guy's like a silver fox. And they have a son and he plays football. And the dad. They're all Buffalo Bill fans and he's. I actually. I think they're cool.

[Big J Okerson]

They're very entertaining. It's the son calling the dad's girl a bunch of stuff. But I also. There's just something about it also. It's too. Again, it's like forced social media with this kid. I don't know.

[Jay Oakerson]

I don't. I think. Well, I mean, being an influencer, it's hard to. You know, when you hit, you gotta. You gotta ride that wave.

[Big J Okerson]

I listen. I think the kid's awesome. I love that the kid is genuinely like. These are my dads. They're awesome. I love the. The energy of the whole thing is good.

[Jay Oakerson]

I love that he's a Buffalo Bills fan.

[Big J Okerson]

He's.

[Jay Oakerson]

He taught his. He coached football for the kid.

[Big J Okerson]

Go to the very first one there, because that's the one I think I saw this week. Yeah. I mean, look at the view. Yeah, here it is.

[Guest or caller]

Instead of trolling them, I'm gonna give him some positive affirmations. Look at the birthday girl. How old is she?

[Big J Okerson]

How old do you think I am?

[Guest or caller]

30.

[Big J Okerson]

Ah, you think I look young? Yes.

[Announcer]

Today.

[Guest or caller]

Itty bitty bitty. Yeah, yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

Stop it.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah.

[Jay Oakerson]

I just say something real quick. That guy's a problem. Let me tell you something. You better be polite and not hum. I mean, not. He's a. He's a problem. If he. If he. If he wants to jam you up his own ass, he could. He's.

[Big J Okerson]

I don't know. Here's why.

[Jay Oakerson]

Look at him.

[Big J Okerson]

Absolutely.

[Jay Oakerson]

I wonder if he played football. He looks like he played maybe. Maybe for a little bit. Maybe, I don't know, professionally or something.

[Big J Okerson]

He was more of a locker room presence, but. Thanks, Lou.

[Jay Oakerson]

And the dad Black lives the.

[Big J Okerson]

Only Gets my sports stuff.

[Jay Oakerson]

The dad. The other dad is very business. Very.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Listen. I think this guy's like, his. His energy is a guy that I would like if I met him. I did the.

[Jay Oakerson]

I talked to him.

[Big J Okerson]

The Over. The over effeminate thing. I find a little like cheese dick, but, like forced. But, but, but here's the thing. That's not the one, though. What's the one where he's complaining about football? They post a lot, huh?

[Christine]

I thought it was like the kid was like talking to his dad. Like his dad talks to his friends. This was like a year ago or something when it started up and it was like the. And I think it just. People like that so much. Then it became a little forced.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, well, he. Yeah, he did. Somewhere he's going, he's like, I'm coaching your game today. All right? He's trying to do the. All right, we gotta. We gotta. We gotta get it going. You know what I mean?

[Big J Okerson]

Whatever the football, it might be that one with the blanket or something. He's like, no, they're losing.

[Jay Oakerson]

That's hilarious to me. There's nothing funner than a game.

[Big J Okerson]

As I said.

[Christine]

Oh, wait, wait, wait.

[Jay Oakerson]

I'm sorry.

[Big J Okerson]

Where's.

[Jay Oakerson]

Right here.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Guest or caller]

All the time, how do you shop for two gay dads for Christmas?

[Big J Okerson]

But let it play. It doesn't matter. Give them their birthday.

[Guest or caller]

People ask me all the time, how do you shop for two gay dads for Christmas? And let me show you.

[Big J Okerson]

Bear Bear got a pink buffalo bills hat.

[Guest or caller]

Sway bearer.

[Big J Okerson]

I got a bill's hoodie. I got a pillow for my elbows.

[Jay Oakerson]

And then I got a couple of weighted blankets.

[Guest or caller]

Slay butch queen.

[Jay Oakerson]

Oh, and a scented candle.

[Guest or caller]

Slay, y'.

[Big J Okerson]

All.

[Jay Oakerson]

And now Christine is gay Shop beauty. That's exactly what Christine got us for Christmas. A crock pot, y'.

[Big J Okerson]

All.

[Jay Oakerson]

And skin care.

[Guest or caller]

Oh, my God, you're so pretty.

[Christine]

Non invasive gifts.

[Guest or caller]

This tired queen. She's ready for a nap.

[Jay Oakerson]

Jay. I'm gonna start calling you Bear Bear.

[Big J Okerson]

I'll take it.

[Guest or caller]

Bear is ready to hibernate.

[Big J Okerson]

Bear, Bear, Bear, Bear and Bobby Booie.

[Jay Oakerson]

Bear Bear and Bobby Boo.

[Big J Okerson]

Bonfire with Bear Bear and Bobby Boo. That's a real mouthful. Bear Bear, Bobby Bobby Booby Booie.

[Christine]

Yeah, there's something very sweet where the kids. So there's a player in the NFL, I think, that has either two moms or two dads. And there was, like, an emotional thing they put out of, like, the kid being excited that, like, a football player had gay parents, you know?

[Big J Okerson]

Well, they're fully playing up the whole thing. I don't know. Like I said, I like them for sure. I find them very entertaining and they seem like a great family. But, like, I love the kid, like, gets it so much, you know? I mean, like, yeah, he's beyond, like. He's beyond, like, being teased about it and. And, like, I think it's awesome and I love. Yeah, but I mean, it looks great. It is just very funny that these guys like that. The one is such a queen. The big guy, I mean, is a real, like, twirly bear.

[Jay Oakerson]

Look how big his arms are. Look how big that dude is. That guy is a problem.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah, well, that's why you buy the other one, the crock pot, if you know what I mean. That's why you buy the other one. Beauty stuff.

[Jay Oakerson]

But it's funny to me though. Like, Will the. It's just a fan. Will the kid. Because I have dawn has two friends that are women. They have two boys that they had. And I was like, is like it. Like one of them has a girlfriend. The other one, like, it's, it's not affected them. But like, will you being around two gay guys your whole life, will you grow up to just be open to having, you know, whatever is it. You know what I mean? Are you just gay or are you not gay? Like, is he gonna go out there?

[Big J Okerson]

Are you freaking out that you've done some gay stuff in the past and you're wondering if that's in Max?

[Jay Oakerson]

I'm freaking out right now.

[Big J Okerson]

Sounds like you've done something. Now just because I hide my feelings, like Max doesn't, he won't necessarily have those feelings, right? I buried mine way down.

[Jay Oakerson]

First of all, I haven't hid anything. I don't know if you listen to any old owner episodes.

[Big J Okerson]

Real pickle kisser.

[Jay Oakerson]

I just, it's, it's, it's. It would be interesting to me to find out what, what happens. Is this kid straight? Is he. You know what I mean? Because people that if you hang around gay people, you make them. It's like, I don't, I don't know. I don't kid seem. He's playing football. He's.

[Big J Okerson]

I don't know if it's necessarily going to be the kid, but I think. Here's the thing. I think it's like susceptibility to a situation. This kid doesn't seem very confused about who he is. Seems like he's kind of together. But I'm saying there's kids who are coming and it's not necessarily a gay or straight. But I think where, like maybe, maybe the influence there can go in, like, maybe I'm gay. Do you know what I mean? Like, wondering if it's like so like prevalent in your life. But who knows? I don't know if gay parents be any stranger than that than seeing a bunch of gay kids in your school.

[Jay Oakerson]

I think that parent, like when I grew up, you went through. You didn't know what you were because no one ever talked to you about sex. No one ever talked to you about anything. So you, you didn't understand what gay was. You didn't understand what straight was. You had to kind of come into your own and figure it out. But I think having parents that, hey, I'm gay, we're two men, we're good with it, and maybe he'll actually, you know, talking to your kid about sex and relationships, I think gives them the information to make choices on their own. I just thought of something terrible.

[Big J Okerson]

No, I'm just saying before I go, you just hope in your life that you figure out if you're not gay before you find out the Jason Ellis way before you do aggressive gay pornography and then go, wait a second, I'm a straight man who loves women. Ow. Oh. Retroactively for the last few years. Ow. Oh, I did what?

[Jay Oakerson]

Ow. I just couldn't do drugs anymore. I could have had a food addiction instead of this. I could have got addicted to technology.

[Big J Okerson]

That's gotta be a way to come out of a fucking sea of jizz all over your back and go, oh, wait a second, this ain't my thing.

[Jay Oakerson]

There's meetings. I'm straight, I could just go to meetings.

[Big J Okerson]

Yeah, good looking, in shape. Guy that got pussy his whole life. So at some point he's like, that's the Iggy Pop root, dude. He's like, I gotta try something else. Yeah, sex, I'm so bored of.

[Jay Oakerson]

Sex addiction is the worst. Food and sex, I think, are the worst. Yeah, yeah, because it doesn't matter. You know what I mean? It's like drugs, you'll die. And people have so much empathy for drug addicts.

[Big J Okerson]

Food, food, food.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, but food. People don't care about it. People don't care that you're getting fat. They almost like you being fat. Like you. I was people's fat.

[Big J Okerson]

But you get to a point, though, where people are starting to worry about you.

[Jay Oakerson]

Not.

[Big J Okerson]

We were worrying behind your back.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, behind my back, you guys were. Nobody said anything to my face.

[Big J Okerson]

We never stopped talking about it, though.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, I know.

[Christine]

Started going the other direction.

[Jay Oakerson]

We're like, ah, look at that. You guys suck. None of you said anything to except Ari.

[Big J Okerson]

In my mind, I was like, well, Bobby's probably dying. He's coming black. And he didn't tell me why.

[Jay Oakerson]

You were just happy.

[Big J Okerson]

You didn't tell me you had a zoo surgery. You just go, I'm coming, black. Hey, for everybody, worry about me.

[Jay Oakerson]

He was just happy that you weren't the fattest comic.

[Big J Okerson]

I do always welcome a new fat. There you go. Oh, dude, look at that. I go, whoa, this guy's gaining weight. I've been consistently fat, but look at this guy, dude.

[Jay Oakerson]

After. After Ralphie may die, somebody Tweeted me, how does it feel to be the fattest comic now?

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, Jesus.

[Jay Oakerson]

I was like, that sucks.

[Big J Okerson]

That's when Karen Feehan tweeted, I got $50 says Jay. Big J's next in the Dead. My Deadpool. Oh, God, I got so hurt. It was the most reactionary I've ever been to. It was before I, you know, learned that this is gonna happen. You know what I mean? Like, people bust your balls in comments. And Karen also. My interactions with Karen at that point weren't very much. It was like she was on Gas Digital. I guess she was kind of dating Lewis. But, like, in my mind, it was like, she says she's sober, but she was like. I met her at, like, one of her worst, like, times of being drunk. And we got, like, the full brunt of her being drunk on our show. And, like, I just thought she kind of, like, sucked. You know what I mean? And so, like, she says this thing and I was like, oh, Christ. I'm like, get this girl off Gas Digital. Why is she on the network that I'm on?

[Jay Oakerson]

Oh, really?

[Big J Okerson]

But yeah, and, like, Lewis is like, dude. And it was like a three minute talk of just going like. I was like, yeah, I am way overreacting. Huh? She's just being funny, and that's so funny. Now, like, three years, like, how much I've. Like, how much I love Garrett and, like, friends with her.

[Jay Oakerson]

But I didn't like her either when I first met her.

[Big J Okerson]

I'm like, who the is this?

[Jay Oakerson]

I didn't like her either.

[Christine]

She had a real nightmare at first.

[Jay Oakerson]

I had her on my nightmare first. Why can't we. I was like, fuck off.

[Big J Okerson]

Still drinking her or.

[Jay Oakerson]

No, I don't know. But she was vicious and I was like, fuck you. I don't even know you, bitch. And now I love her so much.

[Big J Okerson]

Oh, she's great.

[Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

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[Jay Oakerson]

Oh, we'd love Drake May. I mean, it's like a miracle. How do you get another really good quarter? I thought I'd be dead before New England had another great football team.

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[Big J Okerson]

Love you mean it.