Erin Claire Jones (2:13)

Yeah. So Brooklyn was. Brooklyn was born. Sorry. On September 24th.

Natalie Ellis (2:17)

Oh. So, yeah, we're really similar.

Erin Claire Jones (2:19)

Really similar. Yeah.

Natalie Ellis (2:20)

So is she Virgo or she is.

Erin Claire Jones (2:24)

A Libra and a manifesto in human design. Right.

Natalie Ellis (2:27)

So she was early. She would be a Virgo.

Erin Claire Jones (2:29)

Yes.

Natalie Ellis (2:29)

Oh, yeah. I think, I think our baby's going to be a Libra too.

Erin Claire Jones (2:34)

Oh my gosh. Yeah. I. I mean, I will be honest that like I'm obsessed, you know, I think that like she is. We have such a. I feel like a little bit maybe similar to your oldest. Our oldest is just like a wild woman, you know, and like, just like, you know, was cackling at 2 months old. Like life is so hilarious to her and like our 7 month old is just like so peaceful and like innocent in a way that our toddler is very much not. You know, so it's been. But what I would say in terms of being. It's a lot, you know, doing a book on a baby at once. My youngest has been so integrated in my book process. You know, I turned in my book two weeks before she was born and they sent me back the edits two weeks after she was born. So basically all the edits. I know I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that part again, but all the edits were done with her sleeping on me. And then I remember like a final edit. She was already two months old. I'm just like reading the book aloud to her as we were kind of working through it together. So, you know, I don't know about you, like, I feel like in life things tend to be like all happen at once and so it's hard for me to be like, would I rather done each independently? Like, I don't know, like, it's been like a really full season. But I also think that it's been an amazing one and I'm really excited to kind of be on the other side and have it be full in different ways that are a little bit less work and book focused.

Natalie Ellis (3:37)

I love that. Has it been part of your thought process? Because it's definitely part of mine. Just deciding, okay, how full on am I going to go with this launch? What am I going to commit to? What am I not going to commit to? Because I feel like if I was writing and publishing a book before I had kids, I mean, I would be like 10 out of 10 effort going all the way with launching. Whereas the way I'm going to be thinking about it this time is how can I maximize what I get out of the minimal time that I have?

Erin Claire Jones (4:05)

Yeah, I think that's wise. I think I have kind of gone a little bit too hard. You know, I think that I Have friends that are just like, are you okay? Like, are we like, we. We just like need to relax together. So I would say that, you know, there are so many ways to do a book launch. This is my first book and I just wanted to kind of do as it will be for you. I wanted to kind of do whatever I could to make it just, just get it in front of as many people as possible and then kind of let it do its own thing, you know, I've booked 77 podcasts. Like, I like have, like, it's. Wait, I know what I know, Natalie. I know.

Natalie Ellis (4:35)

Mainly virtual or have you been traveling?

Erin Claire Jones (4:37)

I've been traveling. Well, here's the thing. I live outside of New York City, so I've been able to travel in for the day for a lot of New York City. I was just in LA last week to record eight while I was there. So it's just been like, it's been a wild time. So like, I don't know that I would recommend going quite as hard as I've gone in that way. Like, I think you'll be a little bit better around, like, what are the ones that are going to have the most impact? And I've been discerning, but still, still it's been a lot. But also like, I will just say, and I don't know how you navigate this. Like, I haven't really wanted it to take away from time with my girls, you know, and so like, for me it's like my time with them is so sacred. So it looks like, you know, working during nap time or working after they go to bed. And so like I would say other things in my life have suffered because I've gone so hard, but it doesn't feel like it's been about them. But I think that like, this is actually one of the perpetual lessons in my human design is like not going so hard, you know, and really allowing myself to slow down. So I think that one thing I really had to say no to or chose to say no to, is kind of doing a book tour right now, now because, like, it just like it already feels like so much and I'm like, I just don't think I can keep going. And so I've also had to really be like, is this really going to move the needle in ways that feel meaningful? And Even like this LA trip I had, I don't know, 11 podcasts booked and it was going to be an eight day trip and like I was going to bring my youngest and my mom and it was like this whole thing. And then at a certain point I was like, it's just too long to be gone. And so I ended up, like, canceling podcasts. I was really excited to be on and be like, it's going to be a four day trip. I'm going to go without my youngest. Because, like, it's going to be so chaotic going to four podcasts a day. And like, it was really better that way. But, like, it sucked, you know, I was like, I can't do all the things. But I think there's, like, I really had to compromise in a lot of ways. And I think that this experience of having things be so full has really taught me that lesson because I. I am so the kind of person that's like, I can do it all. And then. And then things erupt and it doesn't go well.

Natalie Ellis (6:14)

What is your human design?

Erin Claire Jones (6:15)

I'm a projector, which is basically around the fact that I'm not meant to do all the doing. And I can be a little bit overzealous. And I really need to build in moments of pause and space and rest. And so I think that this has been such a lesson of like, okay, I can't take rest in the way that I used to, but can I take five minutes here? Can I take an hour? Can I, like, have a moment here? And it's also different, obviously, with two children.

Natalie Ellis (6:35)

Yeah. And I appreciate you saying, too, some things have taken a backseat in your life, and I think that's just the realness of it. Because, yeah, most of us, whenever you go all in on one project, we don't really want time with our kids to suffer, which means something has to give. And to think that you can be 10 out of 10 in all areas, all the time is so unrealistic. But I think the minute you admit that and you acknowledge the areas of your life that probably aren't going to get as much attention in that season, the guilt of that seems to go away because you're. You're like, you know what? I'm intentionally letting those areas of my life have less attention.

Erin Claire Jones (7:11)

Totally. And also, like, to know at the same time that it's a season, that I'm like, this is a season. And also, like, I'm so excited for the book to be out. I'm also, like, so looking forward to be on the other side of it because I'm just like, there are other things I want to do with my life, you know? And like, I don't know what the journey has been like for you. But I had this belief early on that I could easily, like run a business and write my book. And honestly, like my last 18 months, I have spent hours, 85% of my energy on the book, you know, and so like, that's a big thing. Like the business has. The business has done fine and like, thank God for my partner and team. But like, I also like, miss being able to like, nurture the business in ways that I have not really been able to with the book. Like, what does that look like for you?

Natalie Ellis (7:49)

Well, yeah, I mean, I'm thinking through it all.

Erin Claire Jones (7:52)

Yeah.

Natalie Ellis (7:52)

You know, luckily I've paced my book out quite a lot and it was meant to be coming out the exact same month that my baby's due. Though pushing crazy, I know, has given me a lot of time, but I say all of that. I don't know what the. Like, I've got my first manuscript in the edits process. I already know is going to be a lot and is going to require a lot. So I don't really know. But one thing I do know is I don't really want it to impact my business financially in a significant way. I know it's going to like, you don't make a lot of money from your actual book. You get the revenue from your book deal. So I'm really trying to think about how do I integrate my book into my business model? Can I. And of course some things are going to drop. That's going to be how it works. But I'm trying to think through it and I don't know that I have an answer yet.

Erin Claire Jones (8:36)

Well, I think it's also, I feel like if anyone's going to figure out, it will be you. And like, I will just say that for a lot of authors, you know, it's like their book is kind of their own thing and it's disconnected from their business. Like for us, like, the book is like the best top of funnel thing ever. Because it's very much like this is like, if you want to use human design in your life, whether or not you're into it at all, like, this is the most practical way to do it. And so like, you know, I don't know all the details of your book, but it feels like it could be integrated in so beautifully and like it is such an amazing marketing tool. But like, for us, the is very much like part of the ecosystem. It's not a thing that exists on its own. So it's also been really important to kind of have the people that we're working with really understand that.

Natalie Ellis (9:12)

I really, really love that. But yeah, I think it's just such a real conversation to have of like, yeah, when you are a mother, you really don't go as hard as you used to. Like there was 11 interviews and an eight day trip. I'm sure five years ago you're like, I'm going to. Let's make it 10, let's make it fun. You just don't think about it. Whereas I do think it forces you to just get so much smarter with your time. You're like, let me look at this, how much leverage I can have with my time and let me just get smarter about it. So it's not even necessarily downside, it's just we're gonna do this very differently. In the past. I'm like, well, how did I even spend my time? I would just give my time so freely to anyone and everything.

Erin Claire Jones (9:49)

I know, I know, it's. I do love that about motherhood. It just feels like I'm so much more thoughtful about my time because also it's like time doing other things is like time away from my girls. It's like, it better be freaking worth it, you know? And so like I think it's allowed me to be. Yeah. Just a lot more intentional. But yeah, it is hard, those moments. And I just think I appreciate the opportunity motherhood has afforded in terms of being like, you've got to say no. You know, and it doesn't mean you won't go back and do it in the future, but not now.

Natalie Ellis (10:14)

Yeah.

Erin Claire Jones (10:14)

You know.

Natalie Ellis (10:15)

So speaking of human design and launches, I think a book launch is just the perfect example of any kind of big business launch. A big project that you're working on. You mentioned you're a projector. I know, I'm a generator. Will you give me a rundown of the human design types and how they might consider approaching a book launch or a big project differently based on their design?

Erin Claire Jones (10:36)

Yeah, I love that. So if you guys don't yet know your human design, you can look it up@humandesignblueprint.com it's gonna be a wire looking chart, so don't worry about that, but look at what's listed under type. So let's talk about you as a generator. So generators are so boundless in their energy when they feel genuinely excited about what they're doing. And they're also people that really enjoy the process. You know, they're people that can like really master things and kind of have this like very steady, step by step energy. There's like a depth to them. You know, I opened the book with the story of LeBron James, who's like, such an amazing example of a generator. Like, look at the mastery he's achieved and also kind of the passion really kind of fueled that. And so, you know, I would say one big lesson for generators, both as mothers and in book launches is the more lit up you are, the more energy you have and the more magnetic you are. And so, like, I would consider, like, what are the aspects of the book launch that feel the most exciting to you? Like, is it being on podcasts? Is it like, thinking of a really cool strategy where the book can really benefit your business? Like, whatever the thing is, so you can, like, focus most of your energy on that and maybe other things just like, take a backseat. Maybe you hire a PR firm, maybe you hire things for the other roles. But like, again, I would just like, trust that, like, the more fulfilled you are on a day to day basis, the more magic is going to come your way. I know that sounds like a little bit fluffy, but it's so true, you.

Natalie Ellis (11:43)

Know, that resonates because I literally cannot get the energy together for something I'm not excited about. Like, I just can't fake it. I'm like 100 energy for something I'm excited about or 0% energy for something I don't want to do.

Erin Claire Jones (11:56)

Yeah. And so, like, I was just, you know, I think with book launches, it's really easy to be like, okay, this is the way to do it. This is like. But like, nobody, everyone's figuring it out and like, there's no one way. And so, like, I'd be like, what is the way that feels really true to you? I actually have a quick mothering question and then I'll move on to the other ones for you. As a generator. Yeah. I work with a lot of generator parents who feel really guilty for working or creating kind of time for passions on their side, on the side. And yet such a big lesson for generators is the more, you know, you being lit up by what you're doing is not a selfish choice. It's like the most generous thing you can do because it lifts everyone around you. Your husband, your daughter, your next daughter. And so, like, how have you navigated that? Like, has there been guilt around kind of stepping away to create space for things you enjoy? Have you noticed how impactful that is in a positive way?

Natalie Ellis (12:36)

I'll say I've noticed that it's impactful. But what I've really struggled with and continue to struggle with. And I. And I know this will probably extend into when I have the next baby is I haven't figured out exactly what quote, unquote, balance feels right to me. Like, we've talked about it before. Like, I'm still figuring out how much childcare do I want, how much do I want to work? Like, I feel like I don't fully know and I'm weaving. I. I feel like for the last three years, I've just been trying different things on to see what feels good. When I'm in seasons where I feel like I've got that balance right, I feel really energized. But when it goes off just slightly, I feel depleted. So it's been a learning journey that's. It's not been black and white for me.

Erin Claire Jones (13:18)

And I'd also say one thing that I've learned in the journey is that, like, it's always changing. Like, there are just some seasons where it's like, I need more support, and some seasons I want, like, no support. So it's kind of a thing that you. Like, I have found that, like, I have to keep asking myself because, like, I've had moments where I'm, like, I need people to leave my house. Like, I just. Like, I can't have them here. And the moments where it's like, I really need help. So it's interesting how much it keeps evolving.

Natalie Ellis (13:37)

Yeah. Yeah. And probably, I'm. I'm assuming after your book launch season, you're probably going to want something completely different to what you've needed. Three months, like, it's just going to change.

Erin Claire Jones (13:46)

Exactly. I have one more little nugget to share with you on your design, and then we'll talk about the other types. You have something called a 4 in your profile. Don't worry about this if you're, you know, like, what are you talking about, Aaron? But I think what it means is that so many of your opportunities are meant to come through your community and the people that, you know, you're somebody who's really meant to kind of work with people that you like, really enjoy, that you want to be friends with. And I've seen that with your team. Like, you guys, like, like our little family, you know, like, you're not meant to kind of work with people that feel like str. Strangers or it's like, we're just working together. Like, there's just like this community element. So, like, I would think about that in the book launch, too, is, like, it's not about, like, connecting with all these strangers, but like, how can you really just, like, tap into your people and, like, let them create all the opportunities for you?

Natalie Ellis (14:23)

Oh, that's really good.

Erin Claire Jones (14:24)

Yeah, I think you're gonna do it already. But it's just like a really good.

Natalie Ellis (14:28)

Reminder because I think going into something like that, you. I mean, for me, I have. I'm a very introverted person. Like, oh, my God, do I need to go network with all these people? Or like, I don't want to do that.

Erin Claire Jones (14:40)

No, it's like just tapping into your existing people. I will say one really hard thing for me in this book launch is that, like, I've had to ask for so much help.

Natalie Ellis (14:46)

Oh, that's hard.

Erin Claire Jones (14:48)

It's really hard. Like, you know, asking you, like, just like asking people that I know. And like, I think what I've been amazed by in the most positive way is like, people want to help. You know what I mean? Like, they're just like, I want to help you how? And I'm just like, God, it makes me want to help people so much because I'm like, this is. It's amazing. So, okay, the other types, manifesting generators. These people are also very boundless in their energy when they're excited, but very multi passionate, multi dimensional, kind of move fast. And so I would say when it comes to the book launch, like, I have a dear friend, Amber Ray, who's about to launch her book, who's a manifesting generator. And like, you know, for her, it's a similar thing to you. Like, what are the parts of the process that feel the most exciting, but also like, allowing herself to, like, keep pivoting and changing direction and evolving. It's like not choosing one strategy and sticking to it, but kind of allowing constant evolution. I would say for projectors, a big part of our strategy for creating opportunities is just like one being invited into things, but also making ourselves visible, you know. And so I would say that's been my biggest journey is like, how can I really, like, let myself be seen at. Put myself out there as much as possible. I think one thing I found is like, projectors are here to be invited in, but also, like, I have found that I'm like, weirdly good at pitching people, you know, so, like, I really had to learn how to pitch people as a projector. Like, I really considered hiring, considered hiring a PR firm, but every firm I talked was like, you're booking yourself on so many podcasts. I don't, like, I don't think you should hire me, you know, and so like, but it's been so exhausting, and yet I, like, have really learned how to just be. Like, how can I just, like, let people know I exist and, like, see whether it resonates with them?

Natalie Ellis (16:08)

That's tricky, though, to. To know that part of your design is to be invited in. Because that's such a unknown, isn't it? Like, am I gonna be invited? Like, that's really challenging to navigate.

Erin Claire Jones (16:18)

It is challenging to navigate. And I think that, like, for me, it's an energetic thing, you know what I mean? In terms of being like, I know when I'm sitting with somebody, I'm like, oh, they clearly get it, you know, versus, like, this person just doesn't get it. And so, like, I think for me, it's like, I'm like, how can I, like, let people know that I exist and then see if they get it? And, like, when it does happen that way, it's just like. Like, you know, it's just amazing. It's like magic. It's just like everything's happening at the perfect time. But when I'm trying to be seen by people that are not ready to see me, it does not work. And so that's been a big lesson as a projector is, like, there are some people that I really wanted to be seen by in this moment that just, like, don't see me. And then there are some people that, like, have come out of the woodwork that I'm like, oh, my God, like, this is real. This can happen. And so it's just, like, allowing that to unfold more organically.

Natalie Ellis (16:57)

That makes sense.

Erin Claire Jones (16:58)

Manifestors are just, like, initiators. Like, they're just here to fall. Like, the sparks, the urges they feel within them. So I would say, like, when it comes to a book launch, like, one, if they're just, like, urges that arise within you, like, go pitch that person. Make that thing happen. But also, manifestors, like, do things unlike anybody else. So that's going to be true of every part of your life, including the book launch. So, like, you're just going to be somebody who's probably like, this is my strategy. Nobody else is doing it that way. I don't care. That's my strategy. So, like, I would also say manifestors do well when they feel free. And so building a strategy that allows your freedom to stay put and doesn't feel like you've got to, like, like, feel more boxed and are told what.

Natalie Ellis (17:32)

To do, that makes total sense.

Erin Claire Jones (17:33)

And then we've got the last type, which is reflector. And honestly, for reflectors, like, these people are so fluid, they're so wise, and their opportunities emerge best when they're in the right spaces. So actually the thing I would consider in this moment of launching a book is like, what are the spaces that I feel the most drawn to? Like, maybe it's like the CEO mama membership. Maybe it's like a physical cafe. Maybe it's like a city. Like, spending time in the right spaces just like creates magic. And so like making it your job to kind of be in energy. You love being around and just seeing what emerges from there.

Natalie Ellis (18:01)

Oh, that's so good. But people that are wanting to know their human design, that don't know the exact time they were born, can you still find out?

Erin Claire Jones (18:09)

I would say, like, use the closest approximate, you know, but if you don't, if you're like an entire day is the possibility, I would just look up a few different times within that range, like 7am and 9am and 12pm and like just see how much it changes. Like, sometimes a lot changes and sometimes it stays pretty consistent for a while. So like, it's likely that the type will stay consistent for a bit.

Natalie Ellis (18:26)

That makes sense.

Erin Claire Jones (18:27)

Yeah.

Natalie Ellis (18:27)

And then with human design, I'm curious, have you brought that into parenting? Like, I mean, I, I know the answer to this, but like looking up your kids charts and thinking about how, how you navigate things with them differently, I have.

Erin Claire Jones (18:39)

Wait, do we. What is your daughter's design?

Natalie Ellis (18:41)

Do you. So it's funny because I'm a generator, my husband's a manifester, and she's a manifesting generator.

Erin Claire Jones (18:46)

Oh my gosh, this is hilarious. Because I'm. I'm a projector, my husband's a generator, my toddler is a manifesting generator, and my seven month old is a manifestor.

Natalie Ellis (18:54)

Wow.

Erin Claire Jones (18:55)

We have four of the five types represented. You have three of the five, which makes me feel like you're fourth is also going to be another type, maybe a little projector. It has entirely shaped the way that I parent. And you know, honestly, I'll just say, like, one of my biggest dreams for my book is that people don't only read the chapters about themselves, but they read the chapters about their partners and their kids and their colleagues because it just brings us so much compassion. I would say, like, just to make it really practical, it shaped the way I parent as a projector because I'm somebody who's just not meant to be on all the time. Like, I need a lot of space and rest. So, you know, giving myself that permission wherever I can find it and knowing it makes me so much better. I would say with my daughters, like, it's not a thing where I'm just like, oh, I'm gonna like do this for you because you're manifesting generator. Generator. I would say more like in a moment of observation, of just kind of like seeing how it's unfolding naturally and seeing how I can support them. I'll talk about my manifesting generator daughter first. That I'm really curious about yours. Like, I mean, she's got so much energy, you know, like, it is just like, and especially now at two and a half, like, she just like runs circles around me and like, and she's so funny and she's so charismatic and like, she's just hilarious and so, like, there's like such a bigness to her when she really feels free to express that, like, I just love. And she's somebody who's very gut driven. And so it's been really fun to kind of like one of the strategies for supporting generators and manifesting generators is to give them options, which I think is probably helpful for all kids. But like, you want to do this or this, you know, is this option better or this one? So, like, it's been really fun to kind of just see what her body responds to because she's just like, she really does respond in such a beautiful way. But one of the stories that I tell in my book is of a father who came to me and his daughter was a manifesting generator. And she was in high school. And he was like, aaron, I'm really struggling with my daughter. He was a generator. And he was like, she's doing everything. She's playing softball, she's playing volleyball, she's playing lacrosse, she's running cross country. Like, why can't she just choose a thing and stick to it? And I was like, well, she's not meant to. Like, she's meant to try all the things on and let them go. So, like, what he perceived as flakiness was her need for variety. And so like, I think I'm just kind of like witnessing my girl's, you know, multi dimensional nature and figuring out ways that I can continue to support that. I'm curious before I talk about my youngest. Like, what have you noticed that in your eldest?

Natalie Ellis (20:55)

Oh, yeah, yeah. She has so much energy, I can't even. It just. It does. The energy doesn't end. I would say I still struggle with giving her options because she knows her own mind and there's no convincing her otherwise. Even if I give her Two options, black or white. And she wants pink. It's pink all the way. And then, yeah, really interesting around just like, she'll play with something and 15 minutes later she's done and on to the next and onto the next and on to the next and just. It's a whirlwind.

Erin Claire Jones (21:22)

It's a total whirlwind, you know, and, like, and I think a lot of manifesting generators have been made to feel like they're too much. Like they should, like, you know, like, dampen it and like, dim their light and just be like a little bit less big. But, like, manifesting dinners are like, so big and so buzzy and so enthusiastic. And like, being on a lit up manifesting generator is like the best, you know, So I think it's more like, as a mother, I think what's so cool about human design is it basically gives us tools to kind of support our kids and being who they are from day one because they express their design so purely and often they kind of get conditioned out of it because they. They should be something else. And it's just a reminder, like, that's. That's their inner workings. That's their magic. My other one, the manifestor, I'm curious if you observe any of this in your husband, but manifestors need freedom, you know, like, they're not really here to be, like, told told what to do or manager guided in any way. And something I found that was so interesting is at two months old, my youngest started flipping over and started sleeping on her belly and broke out of her swaddle, which, like, it's just a little bit early for that. And like, the Internet's like, don't let them sleep on the belly. And I remember I was like, trying to flip her over, you know, and I was calling my pediatrician, I was like, what do I do? She's flipping over and she's like, you let her flip over, you let sleep on the belly, you take the freaking swaddle off. And, like, it was just a really powerful reminder early on that I was like, this girl knows exactly what she wants to do. And, like, as much as I want to try to stop her, like, it's not going to work. And she's so willful. And, like, what I. What I observe in her, she's incredibly specific. She just, like, knows exactly what she wants, you know, and, like, and she's so peaceful too. So it's just been fun because, like, my kids are so different and, like, their designs are also so different.

Natalie Ellis (22:47)

I love that so much so jumping into the book, One thing I really love about how you have done this, this is that you can go and find the section that's meant for you and then you can go read about your partners, you can read about your kids. Give me a little tldr of what someone can use this book to navigate. If they know their type, what can they jump in and learn how to navigate?

Erin Claire Jones (23:07)

Yeah, great question. I would say why I wrote the book that I did is like, this is not a textbook on human design. This is not like a book where you're like, I want to learn human design. The book is focused on how you can practically apply this system in your life and it can be a real time decision making guide. So that looks like you don't know what to do next in your career. So you go kind of read about your type as it relates to career. Like you're struggling in a friendship. So you go read around like kind of projectors and relationships. I had a friend call me recently and she's like, aaron, I like, don't know whether I should move to this like, brownstone in Fort Greene in Brooklyn. And I was like, she had an advanced copy of the book. I was like, turn to this chapter on your authority. And like five minutes later she's like, I know exactly what to do. And so it's meant to be this resource that you keep going back to at any cross was in your life, big or small. You know, it's something I've been actually amazed by is like, I'm using it, you know, like I struggle with a thing and I read a chapter, I'm like, oh, I see why this is not working. And so it's very much meant to be a practice, practical exploration of how your human design can be used. Help you move kind of out of stuckness into flow in the realm of work in relationships and parenting.

Natalie Ellis (24:04)

I love that. And it's different too. Like you can keep it on your desk and you can like you say you can pick it up when you feel like you need it. It's not that you need to sit and read it cover to cover. It's so funny that you'd mentioned manifestos need freedom. I'm like, oh my God, that's my husband.

Erin Claire Jones (24:16)

But would you see it?

Natalie Ellis (24:17)

Oh yeah, 100%. But I'll sometimes go to sections because I obviously got an advanced copy. I'll sometimes go to sections of him and my, like, help me understand my husband right now. And just reading that, like, it's just, it gives Me a different level of acceptance.

Erin Claire Jones (24:33)

Oh, my God, it makes me so happy to hear, like, there's a level of compassion when you're just like, they're not wrong for being them. They're not wrong for being different. They're just different. I would say manifesters especially because they're like 8 to 9% of the population. Like, they're just like, they kind of do things their own way. So I really think human design is so cool in that way of just like, I feel like people so often experience friction with colleagues, with kids, with parents, with partners, simply because they don't understand each other. And I think human design is such a cool tool to be like, oh, you're just different. Like, one of the stories I tell in the book is at the end, and it's about a couple that's trying to decide whether or not to move to New York City. And a woman, she, her basically her authority was like yours. She was meant to make decisions in the moment based on her gut feeling. So when she came to me, she was like, aaron, I know exactly that we're meant to move to the New York City. Like, I'm so annoyed by my husband. And I was like, what's going on? She's like, he's waffling. Every day he feels something different. And when I looked at his authority, I was like, he's meant to give himself a full month before he chooses. So what she perceived as waffling was just his way of reaching clarity. And like, she was kind of interpreting his in the moment reflections as his truth when it was just like part of the process. And so decision making had felt so hard. And it became so much better when they're like, oh, we just choose differently.

Natalie Ellis (25:39)

Ladies, do yourself a favor, grab the manual.

Erin Claire Jones (25:43)

Just good to know them.

Natalie Ellis (25:44)

I know. Well, listen. I know we have so many women listening who are super interested in the book and also really love to support other women in business. So can you let them know where they can grab your book and then also can you talk a little bit about the blueprint? Because I feel like that actually will pair really well with the book for someone that wants to go a little bit deeper.

Erin Claire Jones (26:02)

Yes. So the book is called how do you choose a human design guide to what's best for you at work, in love, and in life. It's available anywhere. Books, books are sold. And then we also have an offering called the blueprint guide, which is basically a hyper personalized guide all about your unique design. It's totally custom to you. There are 400,000 possible variations of that that can be found@human designblueprint.com and the discount code for that is Boss Babe.

Natalie Ellis (26:22)

Amazing. I think it's so genius because choosing and knowing sometimes what the right thing for us is is one of the hardest, hardest things. So I just think you have just nailed it with this. I cannot wait to see fully how this launch unfolds for you. But you're just such an inspiration to me the way that you're navigating all of this. I'm so excited for you. As we wrap up, I want to know what's rest gonna look like for you in this next season when the book is out it's launched. What are you excited for?

Erin Claire Jones (26:50)

Oh my God. Honestly, what I'm excited for, which I think you'll appreciate, is I'm excited to read a lot more fiction.

Natalie Ellis (26:55)

Oh yes.

Erin Claire Jones (26:56)

I'm just too tired when I go to bed at this moment. You know what I mean? I just go and I'm like, oh, I'm so excited. And I get two pages in and I'm asleep, you know, and so like, I'm just really excited to like do that. I'm also excited to really not work during nap times, you know, like to have the weekend where I can really just like read and be with my husband. So I feel like really allowing the moments where the girls are asleep to also be a restful period for me.

Natalie Ellis (27:16)

I love that. Well, thank you so much for coming on and doing this. This was amazing. How do you change choose? Book is available anywhere. And then if you want to grab the blueprint, I'll put the link in the show notes. I really recommend it. I feel like it's just a manual to you, like your own operating system. And BossFit will get you a discount on that. So I'll, I'll leave all the links. But thank you so much.

Erin Claire Jones (27:35)

Thank you so much for having me.

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