FULL SHOW: Shyne, Raheem DeVaughn & CEO Dennis Pullin Interview + Can Your Significant Other Have a Work Spouse?

Summary

The Breakfast Club – February 16, 2026

Episode Summary: "Shyne, Raheem DeVaughn & CEO Dennis Pullin Interview + Can Your Significant Other Have a Work Spouse?"

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Breakfast Club, hosted by DJ Envy, Angela Yee, and Charlamagne Tha God, features a lively mix of relationship talk, cultural critiques, and interviews with prominent guests. The major highlights include an extended group discussion on whether having a "work spouse" is appropriate, insightful interviews with Shyne about his journey from rapper to politician, Raheem DeVaughn reflecting on the state of R&B and independent music, and CEO Dennis Pullin discussing disparities and challenges within the healthcare system for Black communities.

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Key Discussion Points & Segments

1. "Get It Off Your Chest" / Work Spouse Conversation ([03:37] - [24:02])

• Relationship Dynamics: Listeners call in to vent, leading to a conversation about boundaries between work and romantic relationships.
• Original Call: A listener shares a story about discovering her girlfriend (a nurse) had a “work wife” and possibly crossed boundaries, sparking heated debate.
  • “She turned her location off as she left the crib. I dropped her through her AirPods...She has at shorty’s house, yo.” (Caller, [11:46])
• Hosts' Take:
  • Charlamagne: “I don’t think the label is going too far. When you say wife and husband, why you just can’t have a work friend?” ([12:43])
  • Angela: “Those are, like, sacred titles…you can't just be calling nobody your work husband, work wife.” ([13:11])
• Audience Input: Various callers claim work spouses are dangerous territory, blurring lines between platonic and romantic—"A shoulder to cry on become a... meet the damn.” (Caller, [14:09])
• Hosts Joke About Their Own Labels:
  • Angela Yee: "You're my work bottom. That's the way I look at it." ([13:52])
• Takeaway: Most agree that the term “work spouse” is problematic and blurs necessary boundaries, though some say it comes down to trust and workplace realities.

2. Shyne Interview – Journey from Rapper to Political Leader ([27:08] - [55:25])

• 25th Anniversary of the Shine Album: Shyne announces a world tour and reflects on the album's impact.
  • “The Shine album came out September 26th, 2000…by March, I was in captivity, so, like, five months.” ([28:14])
• Addressing His Past Lyrics vs. Current Persona:
  • DJ Envy: "How do you perform those records?...As Shyne, the changed gentleman?" ([30:34])
  • Shyne: “That’s poetry. That’s me crying out for help. That applies today to NBA Youngboys, the same way it applied to Shyne back then.” ([31:24])
• Evolution and Growth: Shyne emphasizes the difference between his younger self’s reality and his evolved outlook as a public servant in Belize. He won’t be making the same kind of music moving forward, but values the history:
  • “That was a young Shyne. That’s how he felt. That’s what he was going through and he expressed himself.” ([35:01])
• Reflections on Incarceration & Diddy: Shyne discusses his incarceration, his lack of support from Diddy, and the impact of that period on his life and perception in hip-hop.
  • “Worst thing in the world to send somebody to prison. So I could imagine all these other things that people are saying, but his celebrity is so loud…it was the same thing that kind of happened to me.” ([51:24])
• The Album Performance Logistics: Balancing reverence for his classic work with maturity and crowd participation (“There’s a way for me to do it. Crowd participation. I don’t necessarily need to…” [36:29])
• Current Projects: Real estate development in Belize, memoir writing, film and TV series based on his life, and plans to run for Belizean Prime Minister.

3. Donkey of the Day ([56:52] - [63:04])

• Target: Stephanie Lovins, Former Century 21 Agent:
  • Fired for a racist comment (“I hope Trump deports you”) left on a restaurant receipt toward a Mexican-American waiter.
  • Angela Yee skewers the hypocrisy and ignorance behind the incident:
    • "You want a man deported because you clearly not selling any houses and wanted to use your coupon." ([62:28])
  • Charlamagne Tha God: “That's not who America is.” ([58:49])
• Moral Message: Stand on what you say, but better yet, don’t be racist or hateful—it cost her her job and reputation.

4. Raheem DeVaughn Interview – State of R&B and Independent Music ([63:11] - [85:10])

• New Album & Modern Distribution:
  • Raheem’s new project: Quiet Storm Lover Tome Un (Volume One), with creative distribution through cutting-edge platforms and a focus on direct relationships with fans.
  • “As somebody who came out in 2002...CDs are back, right? Physical merch is back.” ([66:02])
• Streaming and Artist Compensation:
  • “Streaming is like...a waste of time for artists…they’ve been robbing us blind. It’s a billion dollar company and we get a fraction of a penny.” ([67:25])
• R&B’s Evolution, Healthy Love vs. Toxicity:
  • DeVaughn embraces slow jams over “toxic” new school vibes:
    • “This is the slow jam album of the year. Real R&B.” ([71:50])
  • On love and growth:
    • “Toxicity is part of growth, I guess…but if we want more of that love vibration, we gotta breathe life into it.” ([75:33])
• Self-Love & Relationships:
  • “Happiness requires selfishness…how can you love somebody if you don’t love and adorn yourself?” ([80:28])
  • “Your first, last, and best love is self-love.” (Angela Yee, [82:00])
• Giving Back and Mentorship:
  • Investing in new talent and supporting his region (DMV area).
• Zodiac & Relationships: Touches on astrology and relationship compatibility, but cautions against stereotypes.

5. Dennis Pullin Interview – Health Equity & Systemic Barriers ([85:48] - [95:06])

• CEO of Virtua Health System in South Jersey:
  • “Of the top five largest health systems in the country, three of them are run by black men.” ([87:02])
  • Focuses on making healthcare accessible from birth through hospice, especially for Black communities.
• Navigating the Healthcare System:
  • “Number one problem in healthcare today is health literacy…People spend more time focusing on the maintenance of their vehicles than they do their own bodies.” ([87:58])
  • Importance of early detection, trusted healthcare relationships, and not relying on social media “doctors.”
• Systemic Biases & Inequities:
  • Acknowledges disparities in care for patients from marginalized communities and the need for cultural competency and bias training for staff.
  • On economics of healthcare:
    • “Medicare pays us 85 cents on the dollar, Medicaid pays us roughly 55 cents...so that’s at a loss.” ([91:09])
• Humanity in Healthcare:
  • “Should you experience that when you walk in—made to feel like a number or if you don’t have insurance…we have to take responsibility for that.” ([93:13])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Angela Yee, on “work spouses”:

  • “You can’t tell your wife about it, you know you ain’t got no business doing it.” ([17:14])

• Shyne, on redemption and perspective:

  • “My creative expressions should be studied in Harvard, should be in the museum. They’re enshrined in history, so it’s not something I’m ashamed of. That was a young Shyne. That’s how he felt.” ([35:01])

• Raheem DeVaughn, on self-love & boundaries:

  • “Happiness requires selfishness. It’s okay to want to be alone sometimes…How can you love somebody if you don’t love and adorn yourself?” ([80:28])

• Dennis Pullin, on health literacy:

  • “Most people spend more time focusing on the maintenance of their vehicles than they do their own bodies.” ([87:58])

• Angela Yee, sign-off message:

  • “Be humble and never think that you are better than anybody else because dust, you are, and to dust you will return.” ([95:08])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Get It Off Your Chest / Work Spouse Debate: [03:37] – [24:02]
• Shyne Interview: [27:08] – [55:25]
• Donkey of the Day: [56:52] – [63:04]
• Raheem DeVaughn Interview: [63:11] – [85:10]
• Dennis Pullin Interview: [85:48] – [95:06]

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Tone and Style

• The episode moves from playful banter to heartfelt reflection, mixing irreverent humor (e.g., teasing "work spouse" dynamics and inside jokes about DJ Envy’s colonoscopy trips) with serious, nuanced conversations about personal growth, trauma, systemic injustice, and community health.
• The hosts balance tough topics with wit (“The streets know you my work bottom!” [13:52]) and a genuine commitment to giving back and platforming important voices in the Black community.

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This recap captures the spirit, honesty, and pacing of The Breakfast Club. Whether you’re here for the laughs, the real-life advice, or the stories of Black excellence and resilience, this episode delivers.

Transcript

[Charlamagne tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

Shown you know, we joke all the time on our show and it seems like we hate on each other, but in real life, it's all love here. And that's family. And that's why this message from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate really, really matters. Because real hate isn't jokes. It's real people getting targeted. Like the kid who gets singled out at school in the commercial during the big game. But what stood out to me was someone choosing to show love instead of ignoring it. If you saw that Blue Square commercial, you know. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one way you stand for love and not hate.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All right, now let me tell y' all something. Uncle Joe is back. And this time he's got his own movie after stealing the show. In 12 Madea movies, Tyler Perry's most unfiltered no filter having character is hitting the road and a true R rated comedy. And nah, this one is not for the kids. In Tyler Perry's Joe's College Road Trip, Joe takes young BJ on a cross country college road trip, dropping tough love, wild jokes and life lessons about black history and finding your roots just in time for Black History Month. Joe's College Road Trip premieres February 13th on Netflix.

[Caller/Guest]

The wait was worth it. The keys to your dream home have been secured. Now comes time to fill it with memories. But first, furniture and movers.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

When's the housewarming?

[Caller/Guest]

Who's cooking? Or should you cater? All that planning can be stressful, but.

[Sean Paul]

Insuring your home shouldn't be.

[Caller/Guest]

And that's where State Farm comes in. Because State Farm agents can help you choose the coverage you need. Just call, go online or check out the app. An agent is ready to help so you can focus on showing off your new home. If you know, you know, like a good neighbor. Stay Farm is there.

[Angela Yee]

Wake you up.

[DJ Envy]

Wake that ass up. Program your Alarm to Power 105.1 on iHeartRadio. Good morning, USA.

[Angela Yee]

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.

[Caller/Guest]

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.

[DJ Envy]

Jeff, Solaria, wake that ass up.

[Angela Yee]

It's Monday. I feel blessed. Black and highly favored. Happy to be here. Another day to serve our beautiful listeners. Now, today is President's Day, okay? I don't know what that means. I just know it's a day off.

[DJ Envy]

I know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And we not even really here.

[Angela Yee]

We not. That's why I said it's a day off.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, you said you happy to be here.

[Angela Yee]

I did?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

You lying again. Let me tell you something about Jesse. She be lying, man. And we gonna find out this week why she be lying so much. All right, listen. On today's show, we have Shine joining us.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's what's up. Shibbity wabbity bibbity.

[Caller/Guest]

Whoa.

[Angela Yee]

Yes. He will be here to talk about his new tour that he's going on. Plus he's putting out new music. And Raheem Devon will be joining us as well. He's got a new album out.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's called Quiet Storm Lover Tonam Oum.

[Angela Yee]

Which means Volume One. So he'll be here to talk to us about that this morning, man. So, hey, it's the world's most dangerous morning show, the Breakfast Club. Thank you for joining us.

[Dennis Pullen]

This is your time to get it.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Off your chest Whether you're mad or.

[DJ Envy]

Blessed I hate the way that you.

[Angela Yee]

Walk the way that you talk I.

[DJ Envy]

Hate the way that you dress Everything.

[Angela Yee]

With me is best.

[Dennis Pullen]

Call up now.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

800-585-1051.

[Angela Yee]

Not just me, I'm with the culture feeling.

[DJ Envy]

Hello?

[Sean Paul]

Who's this?

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, M.V.

[DJ Envy]

What'S up, brother? What's your name?

[Caller/Guest]

Morning, Devon from Jersey.

[DJ Envy]

What's up, brother? Get it off your chest, cuz.

[Caller/Guest]

I. I had a question for you. I have a one year old and he loves Mickey. Do they have a Disney store in American Dream?

[DJ Envy]

I don't know every store in American Dream. I'm sure they got a store in there that sell Mickey. They got a Toys R Us in there. So I'm sure you could. You could pass through there and check out the Toys R Us, but I don't know what every store in American Dream now, bro.

[Caller/Guest]

Okay, okay.

[DJ Envy]

This weekend they got Nickelodeon, they got water parks, but I definitely know they got a Toys R Us. You can check out their Toys R Us, brother.

[Dennis Pullen]

All right, bet.

[Caller/Guest]

Charlemagne. What's going on?

[Angela Yee]

What's up, my brother?

[Caller/Guest]

What's up?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's up, baby? How you doing?

[Angela Yee]

Morning.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm all right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah?

[Caller/Guest]

Have a good day.

[Sean Paul]

All right, you too.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

You too.

[Angela Yee]

It's an American dream mall. Got a store called Box Lunch and Maniso that sell Disney stuff.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, there you go. There you go. Well, you can definitely check them out there. And Jess will be there in a couple of weeks. You said 15 minutes?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, 15 minutes.

[DJ Envy]

No full set?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Nope.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's for the grand opening.

[Caller/Guest]

Hello?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Who's this?

[Angela Yee]

Hello?

[Caller/Guest]

Can you hear me?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

I can hear you.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

What's up?

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, baby, how are you?

[Caller/Guest]

This is Edward Spots from New Orleans.

[DJ Envy]

What's up, brother? Get it off your chest.

[Caller/Guest]

All right. I just want to say I want more people to start celebrating Black History Month. I feel like lately people have not been celebrating as much, and I just need people to have more morale about it daily.

[Angela Yee]

Who is people? Cause everywhere I go, they celebrating it. Just hilarious. In here with a Harriet Tubman sweatshirt. I got on actively black, red, black, and green. I even got on my red, black, and green apple watch.

[Sean Paul]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

And I'm doing an event this weekend.

[Sean Paul]

So people are doing.

[Angela Yee]

That's right.

[Caller/Guest]

When I say people, I mean more white people. More white people in PWI spaces, like institutions.

[DJ Envy]

We can't expect anybody to celebrate us. We gotta celebrate ourselves.

[Angela Yee]

You think white people look around and be like, my golly, on St. Patrick's Day, there's no black people in here.

[DJ Envy]

There's a black people in here.

[Angela Yee]

You think Mexican around a Cinco de May and be like, my God, there's no black people in here. Like, no.

[Caller/Guest]

I just want to say I do love this show, and I love everything y' all do for the black community. And Jess, hilarious. Lauren LaRosa, Charlemagne, envy. Y' all really do inspire a lot of black people. And so I'm just honored to be on this show right now talking to y'.

[Angela Yee]

All.

[Caller/Guest]

Shout out from New Orleans. And I have an event at Toulouse Theater, Edwards, Fox.

[Angela Yee]

Well, how do you get tickets and all that?

[Caller/Guest]

You can go online. You can follow me on Edwards, Potts, S, P, O, T. S. It's the white last name. S, P, O, T. S First name, Edward. And the finish that Toulouse theater on the. I'm hoping to have my guy, Larry Morrow and Big free to be there.

[Angela Yee]

I love Larry, man. What y' all doing, though? Like, what is it, like a dance or.

[Caller/Guest]

All right, so Via, she's. She's kind of like, an exotic performer, and we're single girls, and it's about empowering women to, like, make guys get on their knees and bark like they want it. And so it's a really. It's a big moment, individuality. It's an event to promote femininity, and it's event to, like, just have a good time about people being single and still celebrating love. Recommend to come.

[Angela Yee]

That sounds dope, man. Give me information one more time.

[DJ Envy]

I'm sure guys will be looking for some exact.

[Caller/Guest]

Guys can come. Actually, guys can come if they agree to wear a leash for free.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. If they're gonna get on their knees and book for it. That's what he just said.

[Angela Yee]

That's not, like, a decision.

[Caller/Guest]

So guys can get it free if you wear a leash with a girl.

[Angela Yee]

That sound like a Decisions, Decisions live show. That sound like Mandy and Weezy hosting that.

[Caller/Guest]

You can also pay to go. You don't have to do any of that. You can just pay to go and show up and have a good time.

[DJ Envy]

Will you have a leash on, sir, since you're a guy?

[Caller/Guest]

Hell, no. No. It's not really my thing, but I totally support it and I'm all about it. What you should do, and I'll be home. My name is Edward Spots again.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All right, Edward. What you should do is have the white guy show up with the leashes. Don't have no black person showing up.

[DJ Envy]

No black man showing up with no leashes on.

[Caller/Guest]

Oh, that's right.

[Sean Paul]

Honestly.

[DJ Envy]

Right?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah.

[Caller/Guest]

But I just have to say I do really do love y', all, and I listen to y' all every morning, and y' all really inspire me and to be better and do better, and we need y' all in this community. So please keep going and keep this show alive.

[Angela Yee]

Thank you.

[DJ Envy]

Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. Mr. Breakfast Club, good morning. Wake up. Wake up.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

This is your time to get it off your chest. Whether you're mad or blessed, we want.

[Sean Paul]

To hear from you on the Breakfast Club.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Hello?

[Sean Paul]

Who's this?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hello.

[DJ Envy]

Hey, what's your name, bro?

[Caller/Guest]

Oh, it's World College, New Jersey.

[DJ Envy]

Well, from Jersey.

[Caller/Guest]

Just briefly, I just want to highlight the fact that it's, like, we're going through now. And I don't know if you guys know what a Rorschach test is. Is when, you know, the doctor gives you a picture of something and you give your interpretation of it, and then it is what you see. But now in real life, it's, like, certain things that used to be cut and dry. You see a square. It's a square circle. It's a circle. There's no argument about that. But we're in the point of the country now that we can look at the same exact thing and something is cut and dry is murder and justify it or look at it totally different. You have people that can look at what happened in Minnesota to most people like, okay, that was wrong. But then there's other people that go to that same exact situation and justify it. And then some of those same people will look at what happened on January 5, where most people will look at it like, nope, that was wrong with those people did. There's other people that would justify it. And so if we're at a point in this country where we can't look at things that are basically absolute and not have the same opinion on this is right and this is wrong, and we all see that with the same vision, we're in trouble if we can't start at a baseline of what decency is and what right is. Right or wrong is. And everything else is totally off the table.

[Angela Yee]

You're right. They treating murder the way men treat getting caught cheating. You know what I'm saying?

[Caller/Guest]

But you should be able to. There's things that you can justify your opinion, but a fact that, like, you know, Eddie Murphy had that. That joke. You want to believe me or your lion eyes. Christy Noem can say whatever she wants to say. We know what we saw, and that's.

[Angela Yee]

What it should be about. Man, you. You are so accurate. That's exactly what it should be about. Right. Right is right and wrong is wrong. You know what I mean? Like, if we're saying you got these people out here that got a job to do, which are the ICE agents, okay, do their job. Do I want people impeding them doing their job? No. But I don't don't want them killing folks either.

[DJ Envy]

No. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need the event, hit us up now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Now, if you're just joining us, we're talking about a call that called in yesterday during. Get it off your chest. She was a big stud, and she was mad that her girlfriend.

[Angela Yee]

I don't like how you said, don't disrespect the stud community like that. Talk about something. He was a big stud. How you know she was a big stud?

[Dennis Pullen]

Like big stud.

[DJ Envy]

Energy?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

You mean like big?

[Angela Yee]

Like notorious BIG all that kind of big stud energy.

[Sean Paul]

Big energy.

[DJ Envy]

Big energy.

[Angela Yee]

Okay. Like, she was like, yeah, big D energy. Yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying. She had big energy is what you say.

[DJ Envy]

I would have said big dildo energy.

[Angela Yee]

Damn, I like that. I like that. I like that.

[Dennis Pullen]

I like that.

[Angela Yee]

Big vibrator energy. I like that. So she call like somebody getting electrocuted when she pull that thing out.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Damn.

[Angela Yee]

I might as well say damn if you went too far. See?

[Caller/Guest]

Oh, my God.

[Angela Yee]

You always got to go too far.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, yeah, play too much. All right, let's listen to the call.

[Caller/Guest]

So I have a girlfriend that I've been with for a year and a half. So we live together. We got a cat, you know, Real lesbian.

[DJ Envy]

We got a cat, Real lesbian.

[Angela Yee]

Three cats in the house.

[DJ Envy]

Talk to us.

[Caller/Guest]

So she's a nurse. She's telling me a few months ago, she started getting close with some girl at work. The girl is her work wife. I tell her to nip it in the bud. She don't do it. Then I go through her phone on Christmas Day. I see her texting with the girl, and the girl's poking like, what you wearing? I can't wait to see you type. Today we had a big fight. She turned her location off as she left the crib. I drive her through her AirPods. My dude.

[Angela Yee]

Wow.

[Caller/Guest]

She has the shorty's house, yo.

[Angela Yee]

Damn crazy.

[Caller/Guest]

I pulled up to the crib. I said, come outside. She said, you in the wrong place. I'm not here. I knock on the front door, I'm not here. They told me they're gonna call the cops. And I'm like, nah, y', all, you know?

[DJ Envy]

All right, so we're asking 800-585-1051, do you mind if you're significant other has a house? I said, a house. A work wife, work husband.

[Angela Yee]

Now, I want the record to show what a normal show would have just said. Do you mind if your significant other has a work wife or work husband? Actually, the stud lesbian aspect of it has nothing to do with any of this.

[DJ Envy]

But that's what the conversation started from.

[Angela Yee]

Nothing to do with it.

[DJ Envy]

I like that call. I thought.

[Charlamagne tha God]

An interesting story.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

It was an interesting story, but that's.

[DJ Envy]

Where the call came from. She said she doesn't want her wife to have her girlfriend to have that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Let's start with you. Would you mind if Chris had a work wife?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, absolutely.

[Angela Yee]

Would.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Would mind. Like, I. I don't think the label is going Too far. When you say wife and husband, why you just can't have a work friend.

[DJ Envy]

You know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Or a co worker that you really cool with. Like, why does it have to be. Why does the term have to be work wife, work husband? I don't think it's appropriate. I don't like it now. Now, a lot of times it is platonic. You know what I mean? But a lot of times it's not, right?

[DJ Envy]

So.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And you never know how much you.

[DJ Envy]

Nah, nah. Either we all friends or.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah, yeah. Like, nah, nah.

[DJ Envy]

Charlemagne.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like the term. Like, just said, like, you shouldn't be calling nobody else your husband. You shouldn't be calling nobody else your wife. You know, those are, like, sacred titles, you know? I mean, those are titles that you earn and, you know, you can't just be calling nobody your work, husband, work. And to me, it. Like it said, it applies other connotations.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Angela Yee]

You know what I'm saying? Like, why does that got to be your work husband? A work wife? You know what I mean?

[DJ Envy]

No, I don't like that. I like the term now.

[Angela Yee]

It's funny. Me and Envy do it.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

I'd be like, that's my work husband. But that's right. As a joke.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Exactly. All wives know each other. You know, y' all wives know.

[DJ Envy]

He play too much, though. Like, he play when we outside. We. When we outside of work.

[Angela Yee]

He's still playing.

[DJ Envy]

I don't want to play.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Whatever.

[Angela Yee]

Because the streets know.

[Sean Paul]

The streets know.

[Angela Yee]

He's my work husband. No, no, no, no, no. The streets. The street streets know you my work bottom. You're actually my work bottom. That's the way I look at it.

[DJ Envy]

What?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

See?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Going too far. Hello.

[DJ Envy]

Who's this?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Peace.

[Caller/Guest]

It's Junior from Brooklyn.

[DJ Envy]

Junior from Brooklyn.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

What's up?

[DJ Envy]

Talk to us, Junior. What's your thoughts?

[Caller/Guest]

What's going on? My thoughts is ain't no work wives, ain't no work husbands. You know, I mean, because, you know, soon as you get a little attitude with me, she go to work, talk about, you know, oh, he not doing me, right? Next thing you know, a shoulder to cry on become a meet the Damn.

[Angela Yee]

You right.

[Sean Paul]

That's right.

[Angela Yee]

And I ain't gonna front, man. Something happened on my algorithm one day where I clicked on one video, and then I just went down a whole thing of videos where it's these girls talking about, this is how you take care of your friend. And it's like, girls giving guys Information?

[DJ Envy]

Hell, no.

[Dennis Pullen]

No, no.

[Angela Yee]

That's what I'm saying. It's like, but you really gotta work from home. She can't rock with me. Matter of fact, Amazon gotta leave a.

[Caller/Guest]

Package on the steps. Don't even ring the bell.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Damn.

[Sean Paul]

Thank you, brother.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Hello?

[DJ Envy]

Who's this?

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, this.

[DJ Envy]

Man, Nardo. What's up? Talk to us. What's your thoughts?

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, man, good morning to y', all, man.

[Sean Paul]

I listen to y' all later this morning.

[Caller/Guest]

I want to start that off.

[Angela Yee]

Thank you.

[Caller/Guest]

Yes.

[Sean Paul]

Yes, sir.

[Caller/Guest]

But, yeah, I. I think these days, now, being in a relationship, when you with a person and they're at a. At a job site and they would. They see this work for 9, 10, 12 hours out of the day, you know, they tend to go on lunch dates and. And, you know, that's. That's gonna happen, and I think, you know, you just gotta either accept it or leave it, because really, that's what goes on.

[DJ Envy]

Do you have a work wife, bro?

[Caller/Guest]

No, I. I drive truck, brother. I just started my own business. Cooler Wool Express, man.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Angela Yee]

You gotta. You gotta work lot lizard.

[Caller/Guest]

No, no, Most definitely don't.

[Angela Yee]

It's that one. It's that one rest stop on the route you be going. You got.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Leave that man, Al.

[Sean Paul]

He's a dope.

[DJ Envy]

Hello.

[Angela Yee]

Who's this?

[DJ Envy]

Dion. Dion, what's up, brother? Talk to us. What's your thoughts?

[Angela Yee]

All right.

[Caller/Guest]

Good morning. First of all, I love all of y', all. Everything y' all do. I think y' all are amazing.

[Angela Yee]

Thank you, bro. Thank you. We appreciate you, man. Thank you.

[Caller/Guest]

But another thing, I think the girl was insane for telling her girlfriend she got a work wife. Yeah, I think that. Yeah, you got to keep that to yourself. I've had plenty of work wife that didn't lead to nothing at all.

[Angela Yee]

But I ain't.

[Caller/Guest]

Like, I told my girl that, like, I just kept it. To me, it's. We just getting coffee and doing stuff like that. We ain't doing nothing crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, that's the thing. The reason why I thought it wasn't crazy that she told her girlfriend that she had a work wife. What made it crazy is that you really effing with your work wife. Like, y' all getting intimate. Y'.

[DJ Envy]

All.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Y' all flirting and dealing with each other. She went in the phone, saw messages, and she cheat. She was cheating on her girlfriend with her work wife. That's where it went wrong. It got crazy.

[Caller/Guest]

That's a whole nother conversation, specifically. Hey, you know, you don't say that you can keep it to yourself. Cheating. You always on for that. I can't never vouch for that.

[DJ Envy]

Now, Dion, answer, answer, answer. The real way, right? Have you ever flirted with your work wife?

[Caller/Guest]

I mean, of course. That's why it's my work life, but it ain't. Nothing happened.

[Angela Yee]

No, but, see, you shouldn't be flirting. See, you know, your wife would not allow you to be flirting. Would you tell your wife you was flirting with your work wife?

[Caller/Guest]

Of course not. But that's not.

[Sean Paul]

That's not why.

[Caller/Guest]

That's why don't say nothing.

[DJ Envy]

See?

[Caller/Guest]

That's why you don't say that.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, you don't listen. My rule is you don't do nothing. You can't tell your wife.

[DJ Envy]

That's right.

[Angela Yee]

You can't tell your wife about it. You know, you ain't got no business doing it.

[DJ Envy]

Now, if you're just joining us, this conversation actually came from a woman who called yesterday during. Get it off your chest. Let's listen to the call.

[Caller/Guest]

So I have a girlfriend that I've been with for a year and a half. We live together. We got a cat. You know, real lesbians.

[Angela Yee]

Yes.

[Caller/Guest]

Okay.

[Angela Yee]

Three cats in the house.

[DJ Envy]

Talk to us.

[Caller/Guest]

So she's a nurse. She's telling me a few months ago, she started getting close with some girl at work. The girl is her work wife. I tell her to nip it in the bud. She don't do it. Then I go through her phone on Christmas day. I see her texting with the girl, and the girl's talking like, what you wearing? I can't wait to see you type. Today we had a big fight. She turned her location off as she left the crib. I dropped her through her ear pods, my dude.

[Dennis Pullen]

Wow.

[Caller/Guest]

She has the shorty's house, yo.

[Angela Yee]

Damn.

[Caller/Guest]

Crazy pulled up to the crib. I said, come outside. She said, you in the wrong place. I'm not here. I knock on the front door.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm not here.

[Caller/Guest]

They told me they gonna call the cops. And I'm like, nah, y', all. You know?

[DJ Envy]

So we're asking 800-585-1051. Do you mind if your significant other has a work husband or work wife? Hello? Who's this?

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, this Juicy.

[DJ Envy]

Hey, Juicy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She definitely somebody with wife.

[Angela Yee]

You fat?

[Caller/Guest]

I'm ju. I'm. I'm. I'm. Yeah, I got called plenty fat bitches before, so I guess you could say that.

[Angela Yee]

How tall are you?

[DJ Envy]

Oh, my goodness.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Stop.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm five three.

[Angela Yee]

How much you weigh?

[Caller/Guest]

200 pounds. But I'm juicy. So I mean, boy boss. Okay, answer the question.

[DJ Envy]

Boy.

[Dennis Pullen]

Bye.

[DJ Envy]

Answer the question, Mom. I'm sorry, Juicy.

[Angela Yee]

Are you somebody's work wife?

[Charlamagne tha God]

She is.

[Caller/Guest]

Oh, I'm the. I'm somebody who caught my work wife. Happy. I want to say. Yeah. So my. My husband worked somewhere, right? We used to work together. I quit. So I found like, placement that didn't work out. So you know, because I know, like, I know how the work wife and stuff is. My husband don't drive. I was taking him to work and at the same time I was taking him to work. The work wife, she got a husband too. But I didn't know this at the time because she just started. So when I was leaving, I see her husband like, mean mugging the mess out of my mind. So I wanted to be like, what's up? Why are you looking at him like that? Like. Cause like it was something that didn't sit right with me. So I made a mental note of it. So the next time I. I went, it was. She wasn't with her husband. He was by herself. So she was looking at my car. My dude, I got real dark, so you can't see in there. I can see her. She can't see me. So she just looking ugly as hell at the car. But I'm like, damn.

[Angela Yee]

Hold on now. What kind of car do you have? First of all, what kind of car do you have?

[Sean Paul]

You know, it's big.

[DJ Envy]

It's a truck.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm riding good. It's a BMW. It's a tin and windows, but it is small.

[Angela Yee]

It's a 6x6. That's a big one. That's a big one.

[Dennis Pullen]

It's a truck.

[DJ Envy]

It's a big truck. It's considered an suv.

[Angela Yee]

Okay, gotcha.

[DJ Envy]

He wanted to make sure it wasn't the one series. Go ahead, go.

[Caller/Guest]

So, okay, so long story short, fast forward. The way she looked at me, I said, oh. I said, let me go through this phone. Cause I go through the phone like maybe every six or seven months, depending on how I feel. Like I just go through the phone. I normally don't be finding nothing, but. So I go right to her. I called it the same day. Only thing I'm mad because I'm about to start me how far I was gonna go because I feel like I stopped it because I. I crashed out lightway. Because when I went through the phone and went through their messages, first it was like regular little work stuff. So then I started seeing emotion. He kind of corny. So I know that's his Way of flirting. So, like. But he all talked a lot. So. So she gonna send a picture. She sent three pictures. And they said. And they was like, sexy pictures, but she weak.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She.

[Caller/Guest]

She. She. They was like some sexy pictures. Talking about some.

[Angela Yee]

Ma', Am, ma', am, ma', am, ma', am, ma', am, ma'. Am. I need to tell you something that they don't tell you at dinner. Stop. You're going too long. Could you get to the point, please?

[DJ Envy]

What are you.

[Caller/Guest]

You can't make a long story short.

[Angela Yee]

And you said you won't make a long story short. And you keep going.

[Caller/Guest]

Okay, so. Okay, so I tried to. She don't work there no more. I beat the. Out of him. Out of his sleep because I told him to do this. I told him to do this. The thing was, he tried to be sneaky. And they tell me, like, oh, he ain't tell me. You know what I caught if he would have been like, oh, man. Now she biting back on what you told me to do. Only reason I told him to flirt with her so she can work for him. And he'll have. So he can still be on the car.

[Angela Yee]

I don't like any of this. You opened up the door.

[Dennis Pullen]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

You know what I mean? And I don't know why you opened up Pandora's box like that. I do not know why you did that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's her husband. She sensed something.

[Angela Yee]

But you gonna beat him up for telling him to do something that you told him to do.

[DJ Envy]

And then you beat him up. What size was the girl?

[Caller/Guest]

She. Man, I'm old enough to be her mama. And I. And I. And that's her thing. She like, ain't you 50? And. But if we stand next to each other, you will be trying to figure out who. 50. Like, she. You know, she starts. My thing is that he didn't tell me what she did. Like, I. I affect everything that she did that she was going to do. Okay, but I had to. I had to go through the phone and find. And he said he was lying about it. Said he like, no. Like, what is you lying for?

[Sean Paul]

I don't know.

[Angela Yee]

I don't. Because you just as messy, too.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

You call.

[Angela Yee]

You caused a lot of this mess. You told that man to flirt with that woman. And there's no limit to flirting. Did you say. Did you. Did you give him a limit?

[Dennis Pullen]

Right?

[Caller/Guest]

But he was supposed to tell. Yeah, the limit was like, if she bite back, you let me know. Like, gotcha. And then. But he didn't. And then when I asked him. Like, I tried to wake him up, so. But he. I tried to wake him up, but he tried to fake sleep when I had that phone in his face. I end up FaceTime. It was a lot.

[Angela Yee]

You are so messy.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Juicy.

[DJ Envy]

So messy.

[Angela Yee]

I mean, Juicy. You are so messy.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm glad I didn't tell y' all my real name, but, yeah, okay. Hey, Jess.

[Sean Paul]

Hey.

[Caller/Guest]

My brother did your nails when you was in Cleveland, so. Hey, hey, that wasn't your real name.

[Angela Yee]

So you picked the. You picked a song by Biggie Smalls on purpose. Wow.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wow. You're an idiot.

[Angela Yee]

What? She's an idiot.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Shauna.

[Caller/Guest]

Ma', am, you like a corn bar?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Matter of fact, no, she didn't.

[DJ Envy]

You know, we have call id. We joke all the time on our show. People may think we hate on each other when we go back and forth, but the truth is that's the way we show love. That's respect. That's knowing where the line is. And that's why this message from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate really sticks. Because real hate isn't playful. It's not jokes. It's not entertainment. The commercial during the Big Game showed a kid being targeted at school quietly, but in a way that happens way too often. And what really hit was the response. Someone chose to step in and show support instead of looking the other way. We talk a lot about culture, about community and having each other's backs. And this is what that looks like. So if you saw the Blue Square commercial during the Big Game, take a second and really think about it. And if you want to show support, go to bluesquarealliance.org to learn more. Instagram teen accounts have automatic protections on by default, built in content settings for the content teens can see, contact limits for who can contact them, and time management tools like daily time limits and sleep mode. Teens are automatically placed into teen accounts and teens under 16 will need a parent's permission to change any of these settings. To be less strict, Instagram will continue adding built in safety features to help create age appropriate experiences. Learn more about teen accounts and Instagram. Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens [e-mail].

[Charlamagne tha God]

Teenaccounts in the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband Mike was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever.

[Caller/Guest]

I said, I need you to tell.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Me exactly what you're doing. And immediately the mask came off.

[Sean Paul]

You're supposed to be safe.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's your home, that's your husband.

[Dennis Pullen]

To keep this secret for so many years.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who preys on.

[Caller/Guest]

Vulnerable and trusting people. Your creditor, Michael Levengood.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[DJ Envy]

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[Dennis Pullen]

Good morning.

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. Is DJ Envy. Charlamagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. I don't know why I said that. Morning, everybody. Is DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lauren Larose is here as well, and we got a special guest in the building. We have Sean. Welcome, brother.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Good morning.

[Sean Paul]

Good morning.

[Angela Yee]

Good morning.

[DJ Envy]

How you feeling?

[Sean Paul]

I am cold.

[DJ Envy]

You cold? You used to this cold, man.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

No.

[DJ Envy]

Yes, you are.

[Sean Paul]

I am Belizean. This is why when I was here the last time, I was talking about how much Belize is paradise. And this really underpins why Belize is paradise.

[DJ Envy]

Is that where you came from, Sean? Did you forget them cold Brooklyn days and nights and waiting for the bus and taking the dollar van?

[Sean Paul]

Did you forget that this is beyond brick? Nothing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, it is crazy, ain't it?

[Sean Paul]

Nothing existed when I was in Brooklyn at this level.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Shawn, did you ever get cold in Brooklyn ever? It's never been seven degrees, Sean.

[DJ Envy]

You went to school in snow, where now if it's a little bit of snow, they cancel school.

[Sean Paul]

Yeah, it was snowing, but I don't remember it being this brick. Or maybe, you know, there's a lot of trauma. So I've, you know, buried some of those memories. But I don't remember being this cold.

[DJ Envy]

Well, let's start off with saying congratulations. You're about to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the Shine album. And you also have the 25th anniversary world tour with New York being the first stop.

[Sean Paul]

That's right. That's right. The Shine album came out September 26th, 2000 so we're in the year of the celebration. It was this September 26th that passed. Right. But I was working out my work status here because the last time I was here, I was here as the leader of the opposition, if I recall. So I was here as a diplomat, but then I had to transition as a worker, so I wasn't able to come earlier to start the tour, but we started all of that out. And. Yeah. So now we're gonna perform and celebrate the album, you know, which was a very special album to me. Very special album to a lot of people throughout the United States and throughout the world. You know, I was at the Africa Awards in Los Angeles over the weekend. It's African American Film Critics Award. And so Ryan Coogler, who obviously, everybody knows who that is, broke the records for most Oscar nominations for Sinners. So he was getting a bunch of awards. And so when I saw him, he was like, yo, you know, we grew up to your music. And he's. He's from Oakland. But that just shows you the impact that the Shine album had. And I never got a chance to really, you know, even appreciate my career because that album came out September 26, 2000, and by March, I was in captivity, so, like, five months. Right.

[DJ Envy]

And, you know, that's I would love for you to discuss. Right. So of course that album came out, and it was a huge album. Right? You had Bad Boys. That's Gangsta, Bonnie and Shine. Those were the singles off that album.

[Sean Paul]

Then you had songs like the Commission. You had songs like N Word Gone. I would kind of change that chorus. But, like, Pharrell made that record. That's, like, one of my favorite records. When you hear me perform that at King's Theater on May 2nd. It's gonna be a movie. But there were some great records on the album.

[DJ Envy]

My question is you. You were huge back then, right? And you got locked up. You talked about it last time you were here, the amount of time you spent. And when you came out, you changed a lot, right?

[Sean Paul]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

You talked about your change, and, you know, you go to Jerusalem and you reading the Torah and then you getting into politics, right? And then you became the total opposite, in my opinion, of who you were as a young man. Right. At one time, you were talking gangster ish and shooting and blowing people's heads off. You talk about stories of you carrying guns, and I've heard stories about you in the bad boys office carrying guns and pulling out all types of nines and glocks and all types of stuff, right? And you can't you changed, totally changed. You became a gentleman. That was speaking positivity, trying to. Instead of promote crime, you were against it. You were talking unity, trying to get kids off the streets. But the lyrics back then, 25 years ago, are still the lyrics 25 years ago. So as Shine the change gentleman, how do you perform those records?

[Sean Paul]

I think you gotta listen to those lyrics. If you listen to De America. I'm only what you made me Young black crazy please save me I'm dying inside in case you see it in my eyes maybe if you would teach me how to do a craft or trade I'll come off the corner Stop serving at ye Build schools instead of prison I stopped living the way that I'm living. That's. That's poetry. That's me crying out for help. That applies today to the NBA young boys, the same way it applied to Sean back then. If you listen to, you know, what you gonna do when it hit the fan? That's integrity, that's character. That's me talking about, you know, I'm telling my life story and saying that I abide by certain codes and not get my friends in trouble. And, you know, being honest to who I am and trying to survive these streets. I don't think my album or my raps, I would say, I know were never Quentin Tarantino, Gore, you know, violent rap. I was talking about my life. I was giving you a dissertation as to what I was going through. And if you listen carefully enough, I was always saying, this is not what I want to do. I would like to escape this. But when you talk about the performance, people like Ryan Coogler and other people, regular people, grew up to my music. And so it's a celebration of that. You know, maybe when I'm performing, there might be a few words that, you know, I'll let the audience say. And I wouldn't say, but it's a celebration of the music, of the evolution. And art is not to be condemned. Right, but it's definitely not as much as what you're saying. If you listen to those, those lyrics is really telling the story of, you know, 18 year old, 19 year old that's trying to navigate the muddy waters of, you know, what the system created. That's how I remember. And if you go lyric for lyric, you'll find a lot of, you know, please help me. This is not what I really want to do, but this is what I'm doing. I got to defend myself, you know, I got to protect myself. That, that was the energy that I was given.

[DJ Envy]

And I'm not. I'm not judging. Don't think I'm judging you, because I grew up to this music. I played his music. I DJ his music. But it's always interesting when. When I have somebody like yourself or even, you know, Mace, because Mace was probably one of the first one that we seen do it. Where Mace is, you know, talking, you know, bullets hit off the car, bling, bling, ding, ding, whatever. And then when he comes out as a pastor and then he comes back as a rapper, it's like, well, can he do those lyrics right?

[Sean Paul]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

And it's not a judge. It's that when. When people see people change, they're for it. They agree with it. All right? I agree with the change. Because some people don't have the balls to do it. Some people don't have the. Haven't evolved to do it. But then when they do it, it's like, that's a good thing. I understand why he did it, where he's going with it. But then when it goes back to the rapping, it's like, well, how do you go back and forth? And I'm like, when I hear rappers like, you know, hope you die slow death as I coke test, see Dolores protest can't with you weak rap niggas, which. With your gay ass raps running around talking this and that, I'm like, how does Shine do that? You know, I mean. But then on the other side, be like, please, to my friends at Belize, you know, I'm trying to get the kids.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Like, I just is.

[DJ Envy]

And I'm not judging. I'm just asking.

[Sean Paul]

Yeah, but I think. I think creativity. We were talking about that in the green room. Creativity is not as simple as, you know, you just read it. That's a. That's a poem. That's a work of art that people love, and this is a celebration of that. And even in my evolved state, I still help artists in Belize, and I still support artists, you know, whether it's Offset or Quavo or Pusha T or all these young kids that I see, and I run into them and we talk and I inspire them. I'm not here to tell them, you know, well, you shouldn't rap like this, or you should rap like that. So, you know, my creative expressions should be studied in Harvard, should be in the museum. They're enshrined in history, so it's not something that I'm ashamed of. That was a young Shine. That's how he felt. That's what he was going through and he expressed himself. And so celebrating that expression, this is not for, you know, a 12 year old kid or 13 year old kid to come to my concert. You know, these are adults that are going to be in the room, room. Celebrating that body of work. Now, now, now, if you're asking me about my new album, that's not what I'm going to be saying.

[DJ Envy]

And I would hope not.

[Sean Paul]

You're not slaying in the streets. But I think, I think, I think it would be, it would be very unfair to deprive, you know, people that love that body of work.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Correct.

[Sean Paul]

From that celebration. And as I said, there's a way for me to do it. Right. I don't necessarily need to, you know, there's. There's crowd participation. Right. So I could, you know, who wanna.

[DJ Envy]

But I.

[Sean Paul]

You know what I mean?

[DJ Envy]

What type of brother was slaying do bad things in the street? I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do.

[Sean Paul]

Thank you. Thank you, Lord.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, I mean, Envy has a point, though. I mean, but I think you probably got a lot of this even before this tour when you, I mean, just as a politician now with people.

[DJ Envy]

She really ain't performed since we've seen him. Right. I think he did.

[Sean Paul]

So the great thing is to wait and see. What is Sean gonna do? Is he gonna set. It's the, it's the album in a suit. You gotta wait.

[DJ Envy]

That's another thing.

[Sean Paul]

Why can't I. Hold on, hold on, hold on. My. My good brother. Hold on.

[Angela Yee]

Who did it?

[Sean Paul]

Who's the first one to do it with the Fitted. Yeah, fitted low. Going into court with the Gucci suit with the tie. Come on.

[DJ Envy]

You're right.

[Angela Yee]

Come on, Envy.

[Sean Paul]

Come on, Envy.

[DJ Envy]

What changed your mind? I think last time you were up here, you were like, you weren't thinking about performing. And you said the only time that you think you would perform is if it was like Grammys or BET and they were showing you love that you weren't interested in performing. What changed your mind?

[Sean Paul]

I mean, 25 years is. That's a milestone. People don't really get to celebrate a 25th anniversary and still be relevant 25 years later. And also I'm no longer in the House of Representatives, so my focus shifted somewhat. I'm still focused on becoming the next Prime Minister of Belize at some point. I had a 20, 30 agenda and so I'm way ahead of schedule on that. I still focus on helping the people in Mesopotamia, which is a constituency I used to represent. But when I lost my seat. You know, I had a few things that I'd been delaying due to being in the legislator. So now I'm involved in real estate development for tourism in Belize. I get to finish my memoir. God bless you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Thank you.

[Sean Paul]

I have film projects to do. Like, I have a lot to do that I couldn't do because I was in the legislator. And I'm one of those people that's singular obsessed with whatever it is I am doing. And I just didn't feel comfortable focusing much on the creative as I did when I was in the legislature.

[Angela Yee]

Now I'm not.

[Sean Paul]

So I have a couple years before the next election to do this. And this is not random. It's my 25th anniversary. I'm not gonna be able to celebrate my 25th anniversary ever again. So it's a great way to celebrate 25 years of shine, the first album, and to create new music.

[DJ Envy]

I mean, I think it's dope because, I mean, I'm from New York, so I remember the impact that record had on New York.

[Sean Paul]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

But I also feel a little bad.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

For you as well.

[DJ Envy]

Right. And the reason I say that is when that album came out, you. I don't think you ever got a chance to enjoy it.

[Sean Paul]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Because at that same time, you were on court and you never got a chance to go to tour because you went. You got locked up. So you never got a chance to enjoy the fruits of your labor during that time.

[Sean Paul]

October, November, December, pick jury. January, ready for trial. February, convicted, March 16. So I think not just me, but the people that love the music never got the chance to celebrate it. So this is really a celebration, you know, and we're going to bring some special guests to help me celebrate from the hip hop world, from the dance hall world. Yeah, it's. It's going to be an incredible.

[DJ Envy]

So what do you say to people? I just want one last question on it. What do you say to people that say, Sean, is this about the money?

[Sean Paul]

Money?

[Angela Yee]

No, Come on.

[Sean Paul]

No, that's irrelevant. That's not a. You don't. You don't take these steps in life just to get a check. I've been good. I spent millions of dollars in Belize in politics, and that's how I became the leader of the opposition. Inconsequential, you know, you just gotta do things. Which is in line with what I had said to you. It would have to be something special. And so this is special. 25th anniversary is special. The albums that I'm going to come out with are attached I think if you go back to that interview I mentioned it, that I would do albums that were attached to. To the film projects. So I never put out the album for the Honorable Shine documentary. So that's going to be especially curated album. Then I have the TV series, the bio TV series about my life. That's another album. Then we have the Motion Picture. That's the final album. And then I would, by that time, be ready for the elections. So, you know, what should I do? Should I just sit around for three years and not do anything? Like, what you mentioned is the furthest thing from my mind. It's just, how do I spend my time and what have I been neglecting? What have I not been doing that I could do? You know, when you think about all that, I've been through politically, been through a lot. I'm writing a book on that. You know, there was a coup in. In my party. You know, they tried to overthrow me. They broke all types of laws. I had to take them to court like it was. That was a movie within itself. And so I lost my seat because I took all that I had and gave it to my colleagues because I was a leader. So I took what I thought was enough for myself. But I made sure, because in Belize, parliamentary system of governance, you can't become prime minister unless you have a majority of the seats in the House of Representatives. And as the leader, you're responsible for getting everyone to 16. So we need 16 seats. So I made a promise. I'm their leader. We're in the battlefield. It's bad. We all about to go down, but I'm not gonna, you know, turn around and be like, all right, well, let's get in the tank. And, you know, they gonna figure it out. I made sure everybody had tanks, and I made sure everyone was good. So that was a lot. So now as I catch my breath and I think about, you know, what to do next, I'm grateful for my own sanity.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Sean Paul]

And for my, you know, my. My emotional stability, spirituality that I have something to do, which is incredible. To be able to celebrate my 25th anniversary, to make new projects, to being, you know, to be able to go to California and go to Dr. Dre's house and. And, you know, to go in the studio and for him to play beats for me, that's. That's a blessing.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Sean Paul]

That's a miracle. Like, a lot of people can't go to California and. And get in front of Dre. So. Yeah, so. So, like, that's where I'm at, with, with, with my art and, and what I'm doing now in life. And as I said, the, the projects, the. The real estate projects, you know, being able to work with somebody like Don Pooh, you know, Robert Cummings, you know, Brooklyn Chop House. To open a Brooklyn Chop House in Belize with a resort, you know, so I have a lot of blessings, very fortunate. And I never shied away from who I was as an entertainer. I reject the idea that, oh, well, if you're an entertainer, just be an entertainer, just be an athlete, you know, you shouldn't be involved in politics. I'm not going to get involved in American politics. That's. Yeah, that's yalls problem or whatever it is. But I just believe that hip hop is so diverse and we could do anything. You know, we were. Or are we fashion designers, you know, movie producers, restaurateurs, hoteliers. Like, that's just, that's always been hip hop.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Speaking of our problem, or do you have citizenship in the US or is.

[Caller/Guest]

That you ain't worried about it no more?

[Sean Paul]

I'm a 01 worker, so extraordinary ability worker, so I have a visa as a 01 extraordinary ability worker, so I could live and work in the United States.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What would you say to people, and I've seen you talk about, you know, your relationship or lack thereof with Diddy, but what would you say to people who feel like you're finally getting kind of like. I mean, the support that a lot of people didn't give you back when the trial was happening? Because Diddy was like the mega superstar, but now people see him in a different light, so people are more kind of open to hearing anything. That doesn't make him like this big, mega perfect person.

[Sean Paul]

Well, Diddy's not really interrelated with anything that I'm doing right now. I think that I've been able to build my legacy and I've always had the support of the hip hop community. There was a point where, like, the hip hop community, you remember they kind of hated Diddy when I went away and they didn't want anything to do with him. But, you know, being charlatan, the very convincing person that he is, he knows how to get everybody, you know, back in line. But I've always had support, you know, throughout my incarceration. You know, Jay Z was coming to Rikers island on the Maybach, you know, when Irv Gotti, God bless his soul, was at the height of his power. And Murder Inc. They all came up there to try to sign me. Nas, you know, Dr. Dre I was just talking to my guy Mani Heli, who was managing Keisha Cole, Future and a bunch of, you know, superstars.

[DJ Envy]

Manny, man.

[Sean Paul]

Yeah, Imani Haley. So he. When he first discovered Keisha, it was between him and Dr. Dre because Dr. Dre had this new kid called the Game. And they wanted a verse from Sean and Manny, who I came up with Ralph Flatbush, my guy. We started in the Cradle. He wanted the record for his artist, but everybody wanted a shine record, but it only could be one, and I gave it to Manny because of our brotherhood. So I wouldn't say that. You know, people. People always embrace. Shonda. When I came out, remember I did a deal while I was away, Went number one again despite.

[Angela Yee]

Remember?

[Sean Paul]

And, you know, I did the. I don't know if. Double xl people remember Double xl. The Death before the Sign of COVID and. And the most hip hop Most wanted cover. And I was always telling people who Diddy was. The irony, I guess, is just that. Well, now everything had. Everything. Well, everything has collapsed and every. And the curtain has been removed and now it's like. It's. It's, you know, irrefutable for. For most people, everything that I said back then. But then for me, it's like I'm. I'm gone. It's like, you know, Pharrell and the clips, you know, respect to them on. On that great album where. You know, that record where he says, I'm so. I'm so far gone. Like I'm. You know, as soon as they. They want it, I don't want it no more. I'm somewhere else. So it's like for me, Me, I'm not. I'm not there.

[DJ Envy]

That was rumored that they asked you to be part of the Diddy doc.

[Sean Paul]

You know, I saw. I saw Alex that directed the film. That's her name, the Reckoning. Yeah, yeah, I know it was Alex.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Cuz I heard that too. Remember, I hit you and I'm like, hey, what happened?

[Sean Paul]

And I told you I'm coming out with a new album. And you ain't saying. Listen, I'd be like, want. No, no, she want to scoop, right? So I'm like, listen, you know, I'm coming out with new album, new tour, all that. I'm thinking she going to go back. Well, listen, sh. Say he working on a new album, but he going, you know, pop up on the.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Anything though.

[Sean Paul]

You ain't. No, I wanted you to say that. That's why I hit you with that.

[Caller/Guest]

No, I didn't know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I thought you were saying that, like, when the time is right. I didn't know you wanted me to say it.

[Sean Paul]

I thought, you know, you got to.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Be specific with me. You got to be, you got.

[DJ Envy]

So did they reach out?

[Sean Paul]

But she says she did. But I tell you to, I tell you honestly, I'm so focused on me and Belize and all the great things that are before me. I didn't see the documentary, but I, I, I heard, I heard that it's, it's great, it's powerful, it's award winning worthy. I, you know, they, I heard I was in the documentary, even though I didn't speak, but obviously they told me truth about what I've been saying. So nothing that I'm saying is different than what I've said before, but I, I, I didn't watch it because I, I just, that's my trauma. So, so without getting into what he did to Cassie and what he did to all the other people that have accused him. And I see that, like there's some people that saying, oh, well, you know, well, Cassie, Cassie wanted it or, but yeah, she, that's what she signed up for. You know, we all can't be wrong, right? So it's like, I know what he did to me as far as sending me to prison. He, he was one of the most powerful people in the world, and he used his money and his power to make sure that witnesses lied. People went in there not to say, listen, Sean was defending, did he? Because we, I owned up to having the weapon. There was no dispute to that. But it was a matter of self defense. And he had the power to make sure that if people went in there, they told the truth. And Sean was defending all of us. He didn't do that. He said, listen, somebody gotta go down. And he wasn't a gentleman. He didn't say, listen, listen, just cop out or this is how we gonna do it. I'm gonna make sure. Family good for life, you good for life. But we need you to take this hit. No, he was like, you gonna take the hit? Because the DA was offering me 13 years, so I couldn't even get a reasonable plea. And then I think the judge offered me like seven years. But I say all that to say what he did to me I would never do to another human being. Worst thing in the world to send somebody to prison. So I could imagine all these other things that people are saying, but his celebrity is so loud. Was so loud. And you could still see it creeping in sometimes because you see people come out and start attacking the victims. It was the same thing that kind of happened to me where after a certain point people were like, shut up. We don't want to hear about that. You know, let's party, let's drink some.

[DJ Envy]

We joke all the time on our show. People may think we hate on each other when we go back and forth, but the truth is that's the way we show love. That's respect, that's knowing where the line is. And that's why this message from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate really sticks. Because real hate isn't playful. It's not jokes, it's not entertainment. The commercial during the Big Game showed a kid being targeted at school. Quietly, but in a way that happens way too often. And what really hit was the response. Someone chose to step in and show support instead of looking the other way. We talk a lot about culture, about community and having each other's backs. And this is what that looks like. So if you saw the Blue Square commercial during the Big Game, take a second and really think about it. And if you want to show support, go to bluesquarealliance.org to learn more. Instagram teen accounts have automatic protections on by default, built in content settings for the content teens can see, contact limits for who can contact them, and time management tools like daily time limits and sleep mode. Teens are automatically placed into teen accounts and teens under 16 will need a parent's permission to change any of these settings to be less strict. Instagram will continue adding built in safety features to help create age appropriate experiences. Learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens [e-mail] teenaccounts.

[Charlamagne tha God]

In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband Mike was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately the mask came off.

[Sean Paul]

You're supposed to be safe.

[DJ Envy]

That's your home.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's your husband.

[Dennis Pullen]

To keep this secret for so many.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Years, he's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who preys on.

[Caller/Guest]

Vulnerable and trusting people. Your creditor, Michael Levengood.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[DJ Envy]

Segregation in the day, Integration at night.

[Charlamagne tha God]

When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules.

[Caller/Guest]

We didn't worry about what was going on outside. It was like stepping in another world.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it.

[Caller/Guest]

You saw the kkk.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. They was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here.

[Sean Paul]

Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.

[Charlamagne tha God]

From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's Place, a story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's Place place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Sean Paul]

Rock. So I don't want to. I. I don't wanna. I don't even want to talk about that. But, but. But I. I respect my responsibility to you, to the audience, to. To, you know, when you text me, I told you when I come up here, you can ask me whatever.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And that's why I didn't mention anything, because I felt like it was unfair to bring you into that conversation because we're reporting on Dating is documentary, and it's like, oh, well, shine in new music. So when you said you were willing to come and talk, I was like, all right, I'll make sure it happens so that you can have your own conversation about. You're good.

[Sean Paul]

You're good. I like how you got. I like how you got.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She just slid out of that one.

[Sean Paul]

She's great.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She's slid.

[DJ Envy]

You going to DM me? Talk about my concert, Damn it. Talk about my album, damn it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We're here talking about.

[Sean Paul]

Listen, not the. Not that you. You going back on tour for the money.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hey, yo, right? Cuz, I didn't even grasp.

[DJ Envy]

These are the things people think. So you clear it up.

[Sean Paul]

Why would somebody think that? It's not like I'm out here stunting. No, I'm like, I take. No, but listen. I take the trade like I'm a regular guy. Like, it's not like I'm.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think it's.

[Sean Paul]

It's not like I'm fronting. Like, I'm out here fronting like I got 100 million and you heard something.

[DJ Envy]

The first thing that people say is, well, why did they come back? You know, especially.

[Angela Yee]

But I never got a chance.

[DJ Envy]

But last time you said you was like, I don't want to perform cuz.

[Sean Paul]

I was in the legislator. I was in a legislator. Obama.

[Angela Yee]

At first you came.

[DJ Envy]

No, no, no, no.

[Sean Paul]

But I'm saying still Obama.

[Angela Yee]

Hold on, hold on.

[DJ Envy]

I got.

[Sean Paul]

I got the. I got the polo crest on But I still got, you know what I mean?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Obama on the train.

[DJ Envy]

It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Angela Yee]

Time to be Dunkey today. No more. They should be embarrassed by what they already did. I'm not making these people do these things called Donkey of the day.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And it really caught me off guard.

[Caller/Guest]

Damn Charlemagne.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who got the donkey of the day today?

[Angela Yee]

Well, just hilarious.

[DJ Envy]

Don't.

[Angela Yee]

Donkey of the day goes to a real estate agent named Stephanie Lovins. Now I'm gonna let you know right now, the mayonnaise is heavy on this story, okay? Stephanie used to work for century 21. We all know what century 21 is, correct?

[DJ Envy]

Yes.

[Angela Yee]

Big real estate company. Stephanie was a real estate agent there, but she isn't anymore. She got fired, okay? She got fired because Stephanie was dining at a Mexican restaurant in Columbus, Ohio. Salute to everybody who listens to us on 106.7 the beat in Columbus, Ohio. Dropping a whose bombs for 106.7ft in Columbus, Ohio. Thank you for listening to the world's most dangerous morning show. Now, before I tell you about Stephanie, I just need to remind you that since the start of President Trump's second term, thousands of undocumented migrants have been getting arrested and deported. We notice. Okay, Tom Holman and ice. Ice baby not playing. And there are a lot of undocumented migrants in this country who are scared to death. Okay? ICE has asked me to go on a couple of ride alongs. There is a part of me that wants to see for myself what is happening, how it's happening, so I can properly report on it. But let's just stick to the story. I just needed to remind you of what's going on in this country to give the proper context to this story. Okay, Stephanie Lovins was dining at a restaurant called Cazula's Mexican Cantina, and she had a waiter named Ricardo. Now, Ricardo is a US citizen, but who cares about that minor detail at a time like this? Okay? Stephanie got upset with Ricardo and she did this. Let's go to AB6 News for the report.

[Sean Paul]

Please.

[DJ Envy]

Customers head into Caswella's Mexican Cantina on East Broad street. Just days after this photo was snapped of a receipt a customer left behind Sunday that includes no tip and a hateful message reading, you suck. I hope Trump deports you.

[Angela Yee]

I think it's despicable.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know, that's not who America is.

[Angela Yee]

You know, we're all immigrants. Just hours after the photo of the.

[DJ Envy]

$87 bill was posted to social media, it went viral. The restaurant chain not allowing ABC6 to talk with employees, but in a statement telling us, in part, we are deeply disappointed by the offensive message left on a recent receipt, which goes against our values and the welcoming environment we strive to create. There is no place for hate in our restaurant.

[Angela Yee]

Can't talk to our employees. Everybody ain't got their papers. But in the signature section of her receipt, Stephanie wrote, I hope Trump deports you. And this isn't fair to migrants, okay? Because a lot of Mexicans especially, have just become the poster children for undocumented migrants. And that's not fair because most Mexican immigrants in the US Are documented, but a significant number are not. But that does not give people like Stephanie the right to profile them. Now, I know what a lot of y' all are thinking, because I was thinking it, too. How bad was Ricardo's service that Stephanie wanted him deported? Like, this just wasn't a random attack, was it? You just don't go from zero to deport him. Did he not bring the guacamole, mole, and chips to the table fast enough that she asked for no salt around the rim of her margarita, and Ricardo bought one with salt anyway? She wrote, I hope Trump deports you, followed by zero. You suck. Zero is the amount of the tip that she wanted to leave. But how bad was the service that she did all of this? Did Ricardo not speak proper English? So there was miscommunication. I'm just trying to figure out, or I was just trying to figure out how terrible a Mexican service must be if you want them deported. I' ma be honest. Every encounter I've ever had with a Mexican in the service industry has been pleasant, okay? Dropping the clues bombs for all the Mexicans in the service industry. They are super friendly, respectful, very hospitable, warm, which is why they thrive in the service industry in this country. So how bad was Ricardo's service that Stephanie not only said, I hope Trump deports you, but you suck and got zero tip? Well, if that's what you were thinking, that's wrong. That's not what happened. Stephanie decided to have a side of racism with her chimichanga because the restaurant had a 1 coupon per table policy. One coupon per table. Let the record show that one coupon per table usually means one coupon per purchase. So you can get one item. You can't use the coupon for the whole table. I know that's where the discrepancy lied. But the reason Stephanie is getting donkey of the day is because she at first denied any involvement. In fact, she went on social media and claimed that her credit card had been lost or stolen and that someone else used it. But this proved to be a lie because the restaurant has cameras. And the restaurant reviewed the footage and confirmed that Stephanie had been sitting her ass right there in that restaurant the whole time. By the way, I like a good liar, okay? I like a person who makes up extravagant lies and follows through with the lies. Stephanie went on Facebook and said, my credit card was lost or stolen and somebody attempted to use it. Thanks for the notifications. This has been reported through my bank. Then she went on LinkedIn and said, thank you for all the recent notifications of scammers and profile hackers. I recently discovered a loss or missing credit card and an attempted purchase. I appreciate your patience while I manage the situation. Then she deleted all her social media accounts altogether.

[Dennis Pullen]

Smart.

[Angela Yee]

Because she doesn't got the heart to stand on what she said. I like a good liar, but I like a person who stands on what they said even more. If you wanted Ricardo to get deported, then stand on that. But I guess that racism wasn't worth losing your job, was it? Please let Chelsea Handler give Stephanie Lovins the biggest hee haw.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hee haw. Hee haw.

[Angela Yee]

That is way too much.

[DJ Envy]

Dan Mayonnaise.

[Angela Yee]

You, a real estate agent, worked for century 21. You lost your job because you couldn't use a coupon. You want a man deported because you clearly not selling any houses and wanted to use your coupon.

[DJ Envy]

But I'm with you. How bad was the service where you got a pen and wrote that down?

[Angela Yee]

Well, no, the service wasn't bad. That's what I thought at first, right? When I first read the story. She was actually upset because she couldn't use the coupon. That's what she was upset about Ricardo about. Yes.

[DJ Envy]

Huh.

[Angela Yee]

And we know you love.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. So what's next, Charlemagne?

[Angela Yee]

Stop playing. I just said we know you love the service of Mexico.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

I do.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I love the service. Yes, I do.

[Angela Yee]

And that's all.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All right.

[DJ Envy]

So, the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Angela Yee]

Yep. It's the world's most dangerous morning show. The Breakfast Club. Charlamagne. The God. Just hilarious. Envy and Lauren are out, but we got some. A special guest in the building right now. He's got a new album out. Quiet Storm Lover. Tome, is it? Tome Un.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah, Tome Un.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Volume one. That's Volume one for French.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, okay. We learn something new every day. Raheem Devon is here.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yes. Yes.

[DJ Envy]

What's going on?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Good morning.

[Angela Yee]

She still sits.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Shut up. Shut up. Anyway, Hi, Raheem.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

What's up, birthday girl? Thank you. I know you still celebrating.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Getting it in.

[Angela Yee]

How do you feel, my brother?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

I feel good, man. You know, I feel vibrant. I feel like I reinvented myself once again, you know, And I'm thankful just to have my name in the conversation after all these years, you know, 20 years of the love experience and being in the music business. You know, we celebrated that last year, you know, 20, 25. So I'm actually currently in and approaching year 21 of my first album. You know what I mean? And it's great, man. It's great. It's. It's a great. And I mean, you know, and what better place to be in the morning? Breakfast Club.

[Angela Yee]

Thank you, brother. I feel like your name is always in the conversation. Like, we had Jill Scott up here, and Joe Scott was talking about how, like, there's certain artists that. It ain't about number one records. It ain't about, you know, going triple platinum or anything like that, but their. Their name is just always relevant and in the mix, and I feel like you're one of them, especially when it.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Comes to R B. I appreciate that. You know that. I think that that's pulse, that's culture, you know, that's what.

[Dennis Pullen]

That's.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

That, you know, that's. That's. That's what I've always strived and aspired to inspire to be, you know, at this point in my career. And, yeah, it's. It's. You know, it's not. We make it look easy. As an independent artist. I've been independent for 15 years, you know, I mean, so I've been. I've been my own trial and error and guinea pig for a lot of different things. You know, even. Even this release, you know, this is an early release. There's two. There's. There's two releases that. That have happened, you know, I mean, shout out to Even Biz and Mad Rodriguez for. For creating a platform that allows us to go direct to consumer, you know, cut out the middleman, a third party. It's the second time J. Cole has used the platform, you know. You know, and most recently. And back. Being back outside, I actually. Actually discovered the platform through. Through LaRussell, you know, who's the case study artist. Yeah. And then we got. And then we got technology like. Like this, you know, NFC's, you know, digital real estate, where. Where we allow, you know, the fans to get exclusive content, memorabilia, and. Yeah, man. So it's about being on the cutting edge of it. You Know, and, and, and I got, I got in early too, you know, if, you know, you know, you know, investment talk. You know what I mean? So, so, so, so, so, so it's about not just, it's not just about utilizing the tool. It's, you know, find a way to have, you know, ownership in the tool. You know what I mean? Partnership in the tool.

[Angela Yee]

Screaming is like you, you've been around long enough to see both sides of the game. Screaming is just a waste of time for artists.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Well, I mean, yeah, absolutely. When you, when you, when you see Jimmy Iovine going publicly saying that streaming is on his last leg, I mean, you know, for me it's just like, you know, as somebody who came out in 2002 with the, with the first record deal with Jive and then the album dropped in 2005, you know, as a curate, as a curator and the first R and B soul singer to make mixtapes, you know, me and being on the cut of cutting, cutting edge of innovation. Like, it's safe to say CDs are back, right? Physical, physical merch is back, you know, which, by the way, you know, you get the album on even, you get access to CDs, tape cassettes, vinyl that I got coming for, for my top tier supporters on even, you get a second album that's not even out. You know what I mean? So, so, so, you know, no shade to any of the DSPs. You know, I still rock with APP. I still rock with Tidal. You know, I mean, the digital release for the album, you know, where it goes global, will be on March 6, you know. You know, but right now we're focused on the super fans and giving the super fans an experience that only they can get. And, you know, I'm excluding, excluding Spotify. Like, that's the only place I'm not putting my music right now. I don't, you know, you run out ice ads, you know. Yeah, yeah. Oh, for sure.

[Angela Yee]

Like Spotify's running ice ads.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah, they will run us. You know, you catch that? Oh, they would definitely run this, but.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, they put it on your music. What? I mean, they'll put it. Yeah, well, thing without telling them.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah. And then, and then, and then, and then the thing where, and then there's a thing where there's a lot of. If you go down the rabbit hole in terms of moral compass, it's just things I don't agree with. You know what I mean? And then, and then you, and then you add the fact that, you know, we get a fraction of a penny as an artist anyway, they've been robbing us blind. It's a billion dollar company and we get a fraction of a penny. So when you, when you utilize a platform like even where, you know, a couple, you. My first release on even was 2013, Valentine's Day, February 13th. That project went on to do somewhere between like 30 and 40K. And only 500 people bought that album before I went, before I made it public to the world. You know what I mean? So you do the math. 500 people, you know, 30 or 40K. You know what you have to stream to make 30, 40K. Like, you know, I'm saying these days. So, so, so, so, so, so, yes, I applaud the fact that, you know, that, that CDs are back and vinyl never left. And even for the cassette tape lovers out there, I'm trying to figure out how we can get it, how we can get it on eight track Charlamagne.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, I don't, you know, it's interesting, right, because I feel so sorry for artists. I would be the person that would go to your page and buy your album and download it to my phone.

[Dennis Pullen]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

I mean, I would do that.

[Dennis Pullen]

Right.

[Angela Yee]

Because when you say a fraction of, you know, much a fraction of a penny is.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And they don't even make pennies no more. Did you know that?

[Angela Yee]

Right?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

I mean, hey, that's modern day slavery.

[Sean Paul]

But did you know?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

No, no, I, I knew. Yeah, I got, I got me some stash.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, right, right.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

I got a 50 roll.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So the, the name of the album, Quiet. Quiet Storm. Lover Tone them.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's the significance?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Well, you know, you know, you know, I mean, transparently, I don't speak a leak a lick of French.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Right.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Closest it gets us to the title of this album. Right. But, but you know, French has always been associated with the love language, you know. You know, you know what I mean. And you know, I probably, you know, Pepe Le Pew probably knows more French than I do.

[Angela Yee]

Why? Let me just say Volume One. Like, why did this feel like the first chapter or something bigger instead of like a standalone album?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Well, you know, I won't, I won't give all the game away today, but I will say, you know, having the number one nighttime show in the music in the DMV right now. I've been doing the original Quiet Storm. I'm now doing radio full time Monday through Friday. And it's been so surreal because I grew up listening to hur. I grew up listening to the Quiet Storm, you know, Melville Lindsay, it's where it started in D.C. you know, Kathy Hughes was the one who came up with the idea, gave it to Melvin. And so now to be in that hot seat, I'm living out my. I wanna say like anything I wanted to do as a child, I'm in that space right now. Like, you know, I wanted to do radio. I wanted to do. I always wanted to have a go go band. I got a go go band in D.C. called the Crane Crusader. Shout out to the Crank Crusaders. You know, I'm doing that and you know, and I'm doing radio. So. This album, I think was unique about Quiet Storm Lover Volume one in particular is that it's a fusion of. It's a few. It's a fusion of my 2. My. My first love and my newfound love, which is radio and media. And, and, you know, and. And when you throw that, you know, it sound. It sound like, you know, it's like, you know, it's a vibe. You don't have to just let it play. I like when R B, the lay in play zone.

[Angela Yee]

I love when R B lovers do R B radio shows like Keep Sweat, Sweat Hotel.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Angela Yee]

You know what I'm saying? Yours, Andre Harrell. God Bless the dead. He used to do champagnes and. Champagne and bubbles.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah, yeah. It's a vibe, you know, but it all started. It all started with. With the Quiet Storm, you know, that, that format. You know what I mean? So to be, you know, they say you want to make God laugh, make your own plans. To be. To be. Now doing the original quiet storm in D.C. has just been like. I feel like I'm getting my, my good karma back for all the love I poured into the city, you know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Now with this album, are you writing. What were you writing about? What happened in your love life or this, this is a credit or just subjectively.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, more importantly, just you have to test the music out. So you got to make sure, you know, I'm big on customer service. So when you, when you put it together, you got to make sure that, that it works properly.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah, you got to have.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

This is.

[Angela Yee]

Be blunt.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah. You know, but. But I mean. Yeah, I mean, so what's also unique about this album is all slow jams. So, you know, I'm going on record and saying like, you know, like, you know, this is the slow jam album of the year.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Real R B.

[Dennis Pullen]

Clear.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Let's be clear. This is just a slow jam album of the year.

[Dennis Pullen]

So.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

So if you're looking for, you know, I got, I got you know, I can be. Raheem Devon can be many things, right? But this is Slow Jam album of the year. You know, I. I got some more. I got some more treats coming, you know, in the next 12 to 24 months, you know, if you. If you Love Conscious, Raheem, mixtape. Mixtape. Raheem Devon, you know, but this is. This is like. This is slow jams, man. When you think about the Quiet Storm, you know, when you think about Keith Sweat, Sweatshop, you know what I mean? Like, you think, you know, it's. It don't even require too much talking. It's really about that. That playlist, AKA that Layla, and which. And what comes. You know, what's coming on before and after.

[Angela Yee]

You know, it's interesting. R B today, like, it leans so heavy into, like, basically singing, sounding like rappers, right?

[Dennis Pullen]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

So it's like a lot of, I guess, toxicity in a way. Where does healthy love fit in modern R B coaching?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

I think it. I think it fits, man. You know, I think that speaks to someone's mental health. A lot of time in the space you in, you know, when you. You know, the older you get, you know, I remember somebody telling me, you know, in my 30s, in my 20s and 40s, would be the best time of your life. You just got to get there.

[Caller/Guest]

That's right.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah. So, you know, by the time you get 40, you know, a half a century, you know, which battles in life to pick, you know, I mean, you, you, you, You, You. You understand the concept of time and that we're all running out of time, you know, from the time we get here, you understand, you know, the gift of decision and free will differently. You understand the gift of one another. I feel like those are the three greatest gifts, and if you utilize those, you know, through your artistry or, you know, as it relates to matters of the heart and intimacy, all the things, you know, you. You know, life is just a lot easier and simpler, but, you know, it's a learning experience and, you know, that toxicity is part of. Is part of growth, I guess.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know, I love that you had Ari Lennox on the voicemail.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What other significance other than her being, you know, DMV as well?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

That was it. You know what I mean? And just that. That was it. You know, I feel like, you know, I'm. I'm always waving the flag, you know, for home. For the home team, you know, whether it's. Whether it's Ahri, you know, whether it's Wale, you know, the Crank Crusaders, the back, you Know, backyard band Red Essence, you know, artists like Neptune 21, who's hanging out with me, is just an incredible artist, you know, on to come up, she look like she got boss.

[Angela Yee]

She just ready.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Ready and fired. She look, she got the. And shout out to her and her team because, you know, she's, you know, is being an artist, is being many things. Is being. Is knowing when to be the artist. Is knowing it's starting, you know, it's not being able to do content, you know, I mean, so she's been helping me, you know, been in charge of content for. For my rollout, and, you know, that. That it gives me an opportunity to. To do what I do best, and it's just like investing in what's next.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

You know what I mean? Like, because that's, you know, that's something that, you know, me coming up under the tutelage and the mentorship of, like, DJ Jazzy Jeff and, you know, Kenny Dope, Louis Vega, you know, DJ Terry Hunter, like, a lot of those guys I met, and countless artists as well through DJ Jazzy Jeff. You know what I mean? So I'm just trying to pay it forward, you know, with artists and just representing, you know, and then. And I represent for Baltimore. Two years with the cop, and you.

[DJ Envy]

Already know what it do.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Shout out to my Baltimore family, too.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's right.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

For sure.

[Angela Yee]

You said something interesting. You said that toxicity is part of growth. Right. And it's funny because I think about the R B that I grew up on. The music didn't even reflect maybe the lives those guys were living.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

Which is crazy. Like, the music was all about love.

[Dennis Pullen]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah. It was about love making kids. You know, these guys were begging for their women back. Like, why. I don't understand why we don't have that energy now. It's almost like those. The lives those guys were living outside of the music back then, those people are doing now and projecting it in.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Their music, you know, Charlamagne. Some will blame the generation before us. Some will say that, you know, it wasn't passed down, you know. You know. You know, and some may argue, you know, we're a product of what we see, you know? You know? You know what I mean? So, you know, if we want to. If we want to see more of that love vibration, we got to, you know, breathe life into it. I'm, you know, I'm a powerful manif. I believe in manifestation, you know, power, prayer, and, you know, but it's the art of. I think it's. I think it's a big difference between believing and knowing, you know, I mean, and I believe in the art of, you know, I'm in the art of knowing. Yeah, man, I, you know, I hope that, I think with this reason, I won't even call it a resurgence. I'm glad that Jill is back out, you know? You know what I mean? I'm back, I'm back outside, I stay outside, you know what I mean? But, but, but I must admit, like, we turning up on the promo side of things and, and the marketing side of things, you know, I mean, for far too long, I mean, I've probably been an industry best kept secret, you know, and continue to do the work. It's about consistency though, you know, and being consistent.

[Dennis Pullen]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's the most important lesson you learned of the album that you have? You got 20.

[DJ Envy]

We joke all the time on our show. People may think we hate on each other when we go back and forth, but the truth is that's the way we show love. That's respect, that's knowing where the line is. And that's why this message from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate really sticks. Because real hate isn't playful. It's not jokes, it's not entertainment. The commercial during the Big Game showed a kid being targeted at school quietly, but in a way that happens way too often. And what really hit was the response. Someone chose to step in and show support instead of looking the other way. We talk a lot about culture, about community and having each other's backs and this is what that looks like. So if you saw the Blue Square commercial during the Big Game, take a second and really think about it. And if you want to show support, go to bluesquarealliance.org to learn more. Instagram teen accounts have automatic protections on by default built in content settings for the content teens can see, contact limits for who can contact them, and time management tools like daily time limits and sleep mode. Teens are automatically placed into teen accounts and teens under 16 will need a parent's permission to change any of these settings. To be less strict, Instagram will continue adding built in safety features to help create age appropriate experiences. Learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online. At instagram.com.

[Charlamagne tha God]

In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband Mike was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately the mask came off.

[Sean Paul]

You're supposed to be safe.

[DJ Envy]

That's your home.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's your husband.

[Dennis Pullen]

To keep this secret for so many.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Years, he's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who preys on.

[Caller/Guest]

Vulnerable and trusting people. You're Michael Levengood.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[DJ Envy]

Segregation in the day, integration at night.

[Charlamagne tha God]

When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules.

[Caller/Guest]

We didn't worry about what was going on outside. It was like stepping in another world.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it.

[Caller/Guest]

You saw the kkk.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. They were dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here.

[Sean Paul]

Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.

[Charlamagne tha God]

From Atlas and Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach, comes Charlie's Place, a story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What is it? 20 Lessons of Love.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Right?

[Dennis Pullen]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Now, what's the most important lesson of love that you learned? My bad. There's a lot of. Ls love lesson learned.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

In order to be happy, you know, happiness requires selfishness. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Happiness requires selfishness. You know what I mean? So. So, I mean, I think. I think. I think, for one, being able to. To be just raw, blunt, and honest. You know what I mean? Dodge the dodge the gray areas. Gray areas can be. Gray areas can be. Can feel like a safe space, but they can cause confusion. You know? You know what I mean? But, yeah, it's okay to just say. It's okay to say no. Like, you know what I mean? Happiness requires selfishness. Like, it's okay to say no. It's okay to. It's okay to want to be alone sometimes, you know? You know? You know. You know what I mean? Like, you know, a lot of times we so busy. We're so. We're so busy focusing on making everyone else happy, you know, family, partners, whatever the case may be. Right?

[Sean Paul]

Yeah.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Like, and there's nothing left for you, so you got to start with you, you know? You know, how can you say. How can you, you know, love somebody, adorn somebody if you don't, like, love and adorn yourself, you know, I don't like the person that you see when you look in the mirror. Be the best version, be the best version of yourself you can be for you before you engage with the world and someone else.

[Angela Yee]

I literally been telling people that all day. Like yo, your first, last and best love is self love.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

[Angela Yee]

You can't recognize it in yourself. You'll never recognize.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You, you, you, you, you'll misuse it. You'll, you'll, you'll, you'll abuse it. You, you'll be self sabotaging to it, you know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Now you're a Taurus, right? Now I don't know if you're into astrology.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

May 5th, single demayer Taurus.

[Sean Paul]

Okay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm okay. That's the Chris Brown birthday too.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah, very much.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, you love that. That's holiday for Mexicans too.

[Dennis Pullen]

You love.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Shut up.

[Caller/Guest]

Yo, you love it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Anyway, what type of lover does that make you if you're into astrology?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Because you know, I feel like it's two types of lovers. I mean, you have givers and takers. So me, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm the type that wants to please my partner, you know what I'm saying? You know, I'm an od, you know, I mean, in some cases, if that, if that's what's necessary, you know.

[Dennis Pullen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

But I mean, I feel like, yeah, you, you got givers. You got givers and takers.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So you said you're a giver.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely not the two minute brother.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay, but you.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Not just unless you get yours off in 30 seconds.

[Caller/Guest]

Not just the second.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All right, if, I mean, just a giver in a relationship, period.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, for sure, for sure. You know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Have you ever been a giver to a fault though? Like has that.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

I think we, I think we all have. You know what I'm saying? Mean, like, you know, I think when I learned, when I learned to, to not. I'm kind of giving this away. It's for, you know, you know, free game, you know, book I'm working on right now. But like, as well. But like when I, when I learned not to treat the person I'm dating like the girlfriend and not to treat the girlfriend like a wife because what that means is that boundaries are.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

You know, you know, I mean, but these are things you learn through therapy, you know, through healing, through trial and error, you know, and, and yeah, so yeah, I mean, yeah, so every. So, so, so, so do it, do it. To be intentional, but do it with boundaries.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Boundaries are necessary.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What zodiac sign would you tell people.

[Caller/Guest]

To stay away from?

[Raheem DeVaughn]

What's your sign?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm an Aquarius.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah. See, I gotta say. Wait.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Damn.

[Angela Yee]

I think you're right.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Oh, man. I used to. I would. I wouldn't. I would. I wouldn't. I. I would. Because you can't hold people just accountable to the astrology. Into the. Into the sign. Now you'll be jammed up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm talking about people be going down a rabbit hole.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Like, you can't.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

You gotta.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sagittarius is.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

I think at the end of the day, it's about, you know, it's energy. It's energy. You know, an energy is a frequency. Right. And. And it's reading the room like, you know, it's. Compatibility is growth. You know. You know, any. No matter what the scenario is, you have to compromise is going to be evolved.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Because none of us are perfect. None of. None of us are perfect. And we're all growing in real time.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Sean Paul]

Hopefully.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

You know, good friend of mine says, evolve or repeat. You know what I mean? And. And to add. And to add to that, the only time you should be repeating the steps is in the process of evolution.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

Raheem Devon, man, thank you for joining us, brother. Quiet Storm Lover, Volume one.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me.

[Angela Yee]

Appreciate you, man. Let's get into you right now. Introduce the record, brother.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Yeah. You know what it is. You know who I am. You know what I do. It's a love king of soul and R B radio, Raheem Divine, aka Mr. Quiet Storm. And check it out. This is a world premiere. We're taking it all the way to number one. You the 20th anniversary edition right here on the Breakfast Club, you dig?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I like that.

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lola Rose is here as well. We got a special guest in the building. We have the president and CEO of Virtual Health, Dennis Pullen here. Welcome, brother.

[Sean Paul]

Thanks for having me.

[DJ Envy]

How you feeling, man?

[Dennis Pullen]

Good.

[Angela Yee]

What is Virtual Health, my brother?

[Dennis Pullen]

Virtual Health is a academic health center health system in South Jersey. So we have about 400 locations taking care of the people of South Jersey and Philadelphia, Delaware.

[Caller/Guest]

Dope.

[DJ Envy]

I mean, taking care of people. Is this. Is this for people that don't know? Is this older people? Or is this people that just have. Break it down a little bit.

[Dennis Pullen]

We provide health care for the community. So no matter what your needs from Birth to hospice, so. And everything in between. We take care of all that needs our care now.

[DJ Envy]

Break it down a little bit.

[Angela Yee]

I mean, that's. That's needed now more than ever, especially with the way that, you know, they've gutted the healthcare.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Dennis Pullen]

You know, it is. And particularly in. In the communities that you guys all represent and sort of communicate with, it's even more important to me.

[Angela Yee]

Y', all, you black too.

[Dennis Pullen]

I. I don't have the. The audience that you have. When I say y', all, I'm talking about the people that tune in to listen to you. And so that. That community is very important to me. It's important to our organization.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I was glad to see. I didn't know that you were a black man in this position, but glad to see it because I know a lot of what you guys focus on is early detection.

[Dennis Pullen]

We do. You know, the thing that a lot of people don't realize, of the top five largest health systems in the country, three of them are run by black men. And so we have a special affinity to try and do what's right, particularly in. In light of everything else that's going on in the country, we're committed to taking care of our community.

[DJ Envy]

I was gonna ask, with everything that's going on, like she kind of mentioned with the health industry, what should people do?

[Dennis Pullen]

Right?

[DJ Envy]

So, you know, there's so many different scenarios, right? You hear from people that they go get a surgery in December, right? Now when they go back for post op in January, their insurance is no longer covered by that hospital. So now they have to find new doctors or not covered at all, or they can't afford it. And they're saying that their surgery or whatever they have is not necessarily. Insurance doesn't cover it, so they have to go through the emergency room. So what do you tell those people and those individuals that are going through all the things that I've been talking about?

[Dennis Pullen]

You asked a great question. You know what I think the number one problem in healthcare today is Health literacy is people understanding how to navigate the system, understanding how to take care of their bodies. I mean, you're a car guy. Most people spend more time focusing on the maintenance of their vehicles than they do their own bodies. And so people showing up at the emergency room, which could be, you know, 1500, $2000 visit when it's something they may have been able to do through a virtual care or through a primary care at $40 or $60, so. So it's really about trying to educate people on how to better navigate a very complex system.

[Angela Yee]

How do you ensure you're showing up with purpose every day and not just treating this like a business?

[Dennis Pullen]

First of all, you gotta try and better understand the people that we're taking care of and understanding what their needs are and demonstrate that we're gonna be there for them when they need us, how they need us and where they need us, and being consistent, you know, a lot. She was asking about taking care of certain populations and black men in particular. You know, there's a lot of distrust in health care, and it's warranted. You know, our history has told us that it's certain. Certain individuals don't get treated the same.

[Sean Paul]

Yeah.

[Dennis Pullen]

And so for me, you know, I try and create an environment where we have cultural competencies where people understand the needs of certain communities and we show up and we do what's right and not always, you know, what's best for the moment.

[DJ Envy]

How can I get that information? You talk about, you know, people should understand more. But where can people get that information from? And usually it's, you know, it's bottom of the ninth, and they can't look for that information. It's. Something's happening now, and I need to get it fixed.

[Dennis Pullen]

Yeah. Because, you know, if you look at it, black women have a much higher incidence of death from cancer, particularly breast cancer. Not because cancer shows up more in black women. It's because they get diagnosed at such a later stage than the disease have already progressed. So how do you prevent that from happening? You know, there's more information now than ever. But the problem is there's also a lot of misinformation. So finding a reliable source, finding somebody you can trust, you know, not on TikTok, but maybe a community physician having a relationship with the health system like a virtua or many others, that's what's important. Educate yourself.

[DJ Envy]

I was going to ask, you know, a lot of times people feel like hospitals in the quote, unquote hood are worse than hospitals in different areas. They feel like doctors in. In the hood. You'll get better treatment in different areas. What do you say to those? Because some of your. Your hospitals and your care centers are.

[Dennis Pullen]

In the hood, as they should be. But I will tell you, unfortunately, some of that is true.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Really.

[Dennis Pullen]

Sometimes, you know, people show up with their own biases and. And that when I'm talking about people, some of the staff, we have to educate folks. And so at virtua, we do unconscious bias training because there's this misnomer oftentimes when some of us show up in emergency rooms that we're either drug seeking or our pain isn't as severe as we make it out to be. And a lot of that is because people have their bias about those individuals that are coming in. And then the other part of that urban care, it is tough, you know, because of the social economics of it. You know, when you have a community that unfortunately may not be able to afford insurance and rely on the government as its payer, people don't realize that the government is the largest payer of health care there is. We always want to talk about if we had a. A socialized medicine or one pay. Well, right now, the government is the largest payer. And unfortunately, it's through Medicare and Medicaid. Medicare pays us 85 cents on the dollar. Medicaid pays us roughly 55 cents on the dollar. And so that's at a loss. And so it's difficult to have an ongoing. You are all business people. They have an ongoing business enterprise. When your biggest payer pay you less than what your cost is.

[DJ Envy]

That's one thing I would say that I dislike about. About certain hospitals.

[Angela Yee]

When you go into that prostate screening once.

[Sean Paul]

So he. Oh, my God.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

He was with me.

[Dennis Pullen]

He holds your hand. So I'm glad y' all shared that experience and I didn't have to be there.

[DJ Envy]

So.

[Dennis Pullen]

Now on the parts of it.

[DJ Envy]

One thing that bothers me, I feel like when you go to the hospital, they care more about insurance.

[Sean Paul]

That's right.

[DJ Envy]

Than the actual what's going on person.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

You know, I mean, because they'll be like, yo, put her in the chair. All right, I need you to sign this. Any other. And no disrespect, my mind is not on these people. My mind is on that person that's crying, that's. That's hurt, that's sick, that's that. And that's the. The one thing that always bothered me.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Me.

[DJ Envy]

It's like they're so quick to throw that paper in your head, in your face, then to worry about. And I know we all got a job, and I know it's a business, but if my kid is crying or my wife is this or somebody's that, like, I feel like it's. It's not personal enough.

[Dennis Pullen]

You know, I will agree and disagree.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Dennis Pullen]

Because I think in general, people that work in healthcare actually care. They're there because most of us have a higher purpose. It's not just about the money. It's not Just about the title. You absolutely want to take care of folks, but there's a business side of it as well. And you know, we have at virtual, I have about 16,000 employees that I have to be able to make sure we have the resources to pay for their salaries to provide the care that you want to receive. And so should you experience that when you walk in to be made to feel like a number or made to be feel like, you know, if you don't have insurance, then you sit over here and we'll get to you when we get to you. No, that should not happen. Does it happen? It does, unfortunately. And we have to take responsibility for that, which is why you need more people that actually give a damn, you know, about all the people that come in at Virtua. And one of the things that I sort of pride myself on is being a champion of humanity. You know, it doesn't matter what you look like. It doesn't matter your ability to pay or not. What matters is we need to provide you the care when you need it.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you for joining us and stopping in today, man. We really appreciate you. Dennis Pulling, ladies and gentlemen. And like he said, you can go to a virtua.org that's V I, R, T U and Charlamagne apologizes for using a lot of your doctors for colonoscopy because every couple of months he just.

[Angela Yee]

What's wrong with going to get checked.

[Dennis Pullen]

You know, I'd rather him come in when. When he needs to as opposed to when he have to. So I, I appreciate you guys having me on, giving me an opportunity to. To encourage people to invest in themselves and taking care of themselves and keep.

[Angela Yee]

Doing the good work.

[DJ Envy]

That's why I keep doing the good work.

[Dennis Pullen]

Thank you, guys.

[DJ Envy]

It's Dennis Pullen. It's the Breakfast Club.

[Angela Yee]

Good morning.

[DJ Envy]

You got a positive note?

[Angela Yee]

I do. Be humble and never think that you are better than anybody else because dust, you are into dust. You will return. Have a great day. Breakfast Club bitches.

[Raheem DeVaughn]

Woke up.

[Angela Yee]

Wake you up.

[DJ Envy]

Wake that ass up. Program your Alarm to Power 105.1 on iHeartradio.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.