FULL SHOW: Young Thug Gets Emotional on Why He Hasn’t Dropped Music, Speaks on Gunna: “I Can’t Even Hate Him” + Ben Shapiro Interview

Summary

The Breakfast Club – September 8, 2025

Episode: Young Thug Gets Emotional on Why He Hasn’t Dropped Music, Speaks on Gunna: “I Can’t Even Hate Him” + Ben Shapiro Interview

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Overview

This episode of The Breakfast Club—hosted by DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha God, and Lauren LaRosa (Jess Hilarious out)—features in-depth discussions about hip-hop culture, politics, personal growth, and values. Major highlights include a moving deconstruction of Young Thug’s groundbreaking interview with Big Bank on “Perspectives”—particularly focusing on his strained relationship with Gunna, street codes, and emotional healing. Conservative commentator Ben Shapiro joins for a spirited interview about his new book, “Lions and Scavengers,” discussing American identity, abortion, Israel, and free speech.

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Key Segments & Highlights

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1. Current Events and Front Page News

Timestamps: 02:41–10:13, 35:36–43:23

• Sports Recap: Weekend NFL results, playful rivalry banter about the Giants and Cowboys.
• Politics:
  • Illinois Governor Pritzker blasts Trump over AI-generated “wannabe dictator” image—debate about federal intervention in Chicago.
  • DC Republicans roll out bills to tighten federal control; National Guard deployments spark protests and lawsuits.
    • “Trump is threatening to go to war with an American city and vowing Illinois will not be intimidated.” – Mimi Brown (05:27)
• NYC Mayor Race:
  • Democratic division over socialist candidate Mandami; Trump camp pressures Adams to bow out to boost Cuomo.
  • Mayor Adams: “Andrew Cuomo is a snake and a liar. I am in this race and I’m the only one that can beat Mandani.” (38:09)
• Rising Energy Bills:
  • Electricity costs climbing at double inflation; Trump’s promise to cut costs not realized.
  • “Experts say Trump’s own policies could be making things worse.” – Mimi Brown (41:12)
• Powerball: Two winners split over $800 million; both likely to remain anonymous.

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2. Call-In Segment: “Get It Off Your Chest”

Timestamps: 10:22–21:38

• Relationship & Family Dynamics:
  • Caller T. expresses discomfort after her boyfriend’s mother (the baby’s caretaker) is implied to be doing “more” than her side of the family.
    • Charlamagne emphasizes the importance of communication:
      “We don’t know how to simply tell people, ‘hey, you hurt my feelings.’” (12:16)
• Breakups & Infidelity:
  • Caller from Florida vents about boyfriend cheating with “an ugly stripper with brown teeth.”
  • Hosts mix sympathy with humor:
    “How old is the Stribble?” – Charlamagne (17:29)
• Mentorship and Lighthearted Flirting:
  • Ryan calls in to “shoot his shot” at Lauren, segues to seeking DJ Envy’s mentorship for his brother.
  • Show banter underscores Breakfast Club’s playful tone.

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3. Young Thug Interview Analysis (“Perspectives” with Big Bank)

Timestamps: 23:25–35:36, 74:09–81:48

Humanizing Thug’s Experience

• Emotional Vulnerability & Jail Reflections:
  • Thug opens up about the trauma of incarceration, his mental health, and the immense challenges of avoiding “the streets.”
    • “I was in jail three years…I started thinking like, the prayers ain’t working…At this point, I’m just talking.” – Young Thug via clip (28:17)
    • Charlamagne: “The first 20 minutes of this conversation was Banks setting the table for who Jeffrey is.”
• Street Life & Need for Healing:
  • “The hardest thing for men to say…is ‘you hurt my feelings.’ Thug’s feelings were hurt, he felt betrayal.” – Charlamagne (31:39)

The Gunna Rift:

• On Forgiveness and Anger:
  • “I love you, bro. I can’t even hate him. But I thought in jail, I hated him. My girl made me realize—you just mad at him.” – Young Thug (31:09)
  • Thug reveals brotherly pain, lingers between resentment and hope for reconciliation.
• Public Perception vs. Reality:
  • Lauren: “Thug is responding to a lot of the public perception…people are questioning his morals…He feels like Gunna has not spoken to anything.” (32:02)
  • Detailed discussion about how Gunna’s plea influenced others’ legal moves and created intense strain in Atlanta hip-hop circles.
• Message on Healing:
  • “Bank is a man who’s done the healing work…so he was able to conduct this conversation with empathy and accountability.” – Charlamagne (30:29)
  • “If you can get on a platform and say you still care for this person, you’ve already started thinking through why they did what they did…That’s a part of moving toward forgiving somebody.” – Lauren (75:53)

Memorable Quotes & Emotional Moments:

• “I just don’t got my twin, bro. I don’t got my friends, bro…Who I be with every day.” (Young Thug; in tears, 74:29)
• “Tell your boyfriend he hurt your feelings and have a conversation about it.” – Charlamagne (12:41)

Street Code Debate:

• Extensive listener calls debate whether “the streets” have a real code or if betrayal is inevitable.
  • Charlamagne: “There is no honor amongst thieves…You want a moral code for immoral actions.” (98:19)
  • Lauren: “There has to be some type of moral…and code, but not everyone lives by it.” (96:50)

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4. Ben Shapiro Interview: Politics, Abortion, Israel, Free Speech

Timestamps: 43:38–73:41

• “Lions vs. Scavengers” Frame:

  • Shapiro argues for traditional values, personal responsibility, and critiques “entitlement culture.”
  • Quotes:
    “You have to decide if you’ll be someone who takes responsibility or who blames the system…It’s an internal battle inside our own heart.” – Ben Shapiro (44:11)

• Personal Background & Openness about Past:

  • “Most of the dumb crap that I said was between the ages of 17 and 25… I keep a list on my website.” (46:44)

• Israel-Palestine War Discussion:

  • Argues Israel does not meet the “genocide” definition; Charlamagne presents counterarguments citing global expert associations (49:58).
  • Shapiro:
    “Genocide is the attempt to forcibly destroy an entire population, which is not what has happened.” (50:54)
  • On casualties:
    “Israel has shipped in more humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip than literally any army in history…If Israel just didn’t care about civilian casualties, they would have leveled the place Oct. 8…and they did not.” (51:06)

• Abortion; Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice:

  • Shapiro holds hardline pro-life stance, even in rape/incest cases:
    • “If you believe life begins at conception, then regardless of the source…it now has an independent interest in life. That’s not to minimize the evil of rape…but that’s a different question from the independent source of life.” (53:18)
    • Lauren (counter): “A woman should be able to do what she wants to do…It’s very per person.”
  • Debate over where “life” begins and whether subjective definitions suffice (55:08–57:06).

• Free Speech & Workplace Politics:

  • On Candace Owens: Shapiro stands by his (non-)firing and says not wanting to employ someone isn’t a “free speech” issue.
    • “I am not under obligation to pay people who are espousing beliefs antithetical to my own.” (71:30)
  • On racism/antisemitism labeling:
    “…the term has been emptied of content…people have stopped paying attention to racism in many ways, which is bad.” (71:56)

• How to Heal America:

  • “Go to church, get married before you have babies, get a job, engage with your community…” (72:27)
  • Both sides agree open conversation across ideological lines is “really important.” (73:12)

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5. Listener Phone Topic: Is There Still a Street Code?

Timestamps: 93:28–107:17

• Lively open debate following Young Thug’s reflections and the Gunna rift:
  • Some listeners say street codes are dead or never truly existed; others defend them as vital to criminal “integrity.”
  • “How do you expect someone who lives by breaking the law to follow some rules?” – Caller Dom (104:17)
  • “We need a new code…to heal our communities, we need to heal our families, to put together our families, we need to heal the black man.” – Caller Crystal (104:51, 105:50)
  • Charlamagne:
    “Banks is the only person who could have had that convo. God preordained you for a time like this…he’s done the work on himself.” (106:14)

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6. Entertainment Roundup & NBA Hall of Fame

Timestamps: 108:04–115:54

• 2025 NBA Hall of Fame:
  • Inductees: Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard, Sue Bird, Maya Moore, Busta Rhymes (VMA Visionary Award), others.
  • Dwight Howard’s tribute to Stan Van Gundy and “staying ready.”
  • Emotional Carmelo Anthony speech, highlighting fatherhood, sacrifice, legacy, and tribute to his mother:
    • “My kids saved me. Legacy isn’t what you leave behind, it’s what you lift up.” (110:50)
  • Busta Rhymes honored after 35 years; heartfelt acceptance.
• VMAs:
  • Mariah Carey applauded for her first VMA.
  • Summer Walker’s new “sugar daddy” relationship makes headlines.

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7. “Donkey of the Day” & Closure

Timestamps: 82:28–93:27

• Florida Man Fiasco:
  • Almonte Cersei gets “Donkey” for running over a woman with his SUV when denied a chance to sniff her sneakers.
    • Humorous breakdown of foot fetishism and Breakfast Club jokes.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “The hardest thing for men to say is, ‘you hurt my feelings.’” — Charlamagne Tha God (31:39)
• “If you believe life begins at conception, then regardless of the source, it now has an independent interest in life.” — Ben Shapiro (53:18)
• “There is no honor amongst thieves…you want a moral code for immoral actions.” — Charlamagne Tha God (98:19)
• “I love you, bro. I can’t even hate him. But I thought in jail, I hated him…You just mad at him.” — Young Thug (31:09)

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Takeaways & Tone

The episode is deeply reflective, culturally sharp, and emotionally open. It oscillates between raw vulnerability (especially in Young Thug’s narrative), incisive political commentary (via Ben Shapiro), and trademark Breakfast Club urban humor. Charlamagne and Lauren repeatedly underscore the need for better communication, therapy, and self-healing—using both celebrity experiences and listener calls to foreground broader community and mental health issues. The Ben Shapiro segment provides sharp ideological contrast, yet both sides find some common ground in the value of open debate and self-improvement.

If you missed this episode, tune into these key timestamps for powerful insights:

• 23:25–35:36, 74:09–81:48 — Young Thug interview breakdown
• 43:38–73:41 — Ben Shapiro interview

“Trauma is a fact of life. But it does not, however, have to be a life sentence…Healing is possible.” — Charlamagne Tha God (120:13)

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Additional Resources

• Young Thug “Perspectives” Interview (original): Black Effect iHeartRadio podcast network
• Book: Ben Shapiro’s “Lions and Scavengers: The True Story of America”
• Charlamagne’s Mental Wealth Expo: October 11th, Joel and Diane Bloom Wellness and Event Center, Newark

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Episode summary crafted for listeners who want the substance and wisdom without the filler. Skip to the timestamps that matter, and walk away inspired and informed.

Transcript

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[Mimi Brown]

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[Ben Shapiro]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

Jess is out today. Charlamagne is a little late and it's Monday. Hey, good morning to you. What's up, Rhett? How you feeling?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What up, Envy?

[DJ Envy]

Man, what a weekend. What a weekend. Salute to everybody that was out in Tampa. Now it was kind of weird for me cause I was out in Tampa DJing. But it was a tailgate party for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Atlanta Hawks.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How was it?

[DJ Envy]

It was cool. It was a great game. But I'm a Giants fan and my Giants played at the same time. Oh, so you missed out. Not really because they got blown out, so I really didn't miss out. But you, it was dope. So salute to everybody out in Tampa. So I really shot there yesterday and then shot right back. So I got back like midnight last night. But salute to everybody. I ran into Tampa. Tampa has some of the most amazing food. It was just a great time just to to get away for a day or so. But got a great show for you today. Ben Shapiro will be joining us. He's the co founder of the Daily Wire. He has a new book, Lions and Scavengers, the True Story of America. So we're gonna be kicking it with him and talking about all the things that he believes that we might not necessarily believe. But a great conversation is still a great con. How your team did over the weekend? Jets played better than I thought they were gonna play. But I'm just glad football's back overall. Yeah, you and me both. Cause those week is a tough one. There's nothing really to watch. And baseball to me is not good into the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, playoffs. That's when baseball gets good. Besides that, it's just like all right, the last month, win a game, lose a game. Yeah. So let's get this show cracking. We got front page news. Meet me will be joining us and then let me know how your weekend was. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, phone lines are wide open. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Let's get in some front page news. Start off with sports now, last night, of course, football is back. Let's get to Week 1. The Commanders beat the Giants 21 6. The Jaguars beat the Panthers 26 10. Colts beat the Dolphins 33 to 8. The Charges beat the Chiefs 27 21. The Steelers beat the Jets 34 22. Cardinals beat the Saints 20 13. Buccaneers beat the Falcons 23. 20. Raiders beat the Patriots 20 13. Broncos beat the Titans, 20 12. Rams beat the Texans 14 9. Packers beat the Lions 27 13. The Bills barely beat the Stevens 41 40. They actually came back. Bengals beat the Browns 17 16. And lastly, the 49ers beat the Seahawks 17 13. That was the first one I said. Nope, I said it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I told you. Stop running your damn mouth. Acting like my Cowboys was gonna be the only team in the NFC east that sucks this year.

[DJ Envy]

The two sucking teams are playing next week.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I told you already that the Giants and the Cowboys gonna be looking up at the Eagles and Redskins all year long.

[DJ Envy]

Well, the two sucky teams play next week. What's up, Mimi?

[Lauren LaRosa]

What's up, y'?

[Mimi Brown]

All? Good morning. Happy Monday.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good morning, Mimi.

[Mimi Brown]

Good morning. We start this morning in Chicago where Illinois Governor JB Pritzer is blasting President Trump as a wannabe dictator after Trump shared an AI generated image over the weekend showing himself as a law enforcement officer with Chicago burning in the background. Now, the image, it was captioned, I love the smell of deportations in the morning. Chicago about to find out why it's called the Department of War. Now, this post comes just one day after Trump signed an executive order renaming the department, the Defense Department, to the Department of War. Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson, he called the post beneath the honor of our nation and warned that Trump wants to occupy our city and break our Constitution. He already signed a protective order Mayor Johnson did to block any unapproved federal troop deployment. Now, Pritzker, he is echoing that saying Trump is threatening to go to war with an American city and vowing Illinois will not be intimidated. On Sunday, Trump tried to downplay that backlash, telling reporters, we are not going to war. We're going to clean up our cities. That's not war. That's common sense. However, his border chief, Tom Holman, told CNN that Chicago should absolutely expect enforcement action this week. Let's listen to that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Ben Shapiro]

You can expect action in most sanctuary cities across the country. President Trump's prioritized sanctuary cities because sanctuary.

[DJ Envy]

Cities knowingly release illegal alien public safety.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Threats to the streets every day.

[Ben Shapiro]

That's where the problem is. We don't have that problem in Florida.

[DJ Envy]

Where every sheriff and chief works for us.

[Ben Shapiro]

Right. Or Texas.

[DJ Envy]

So we gotta send additional resources to.

[Ben Shapiro]

The problem of marriage, which are sanctuary cities.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. I'm not the highest grade of weed in the dispensary, but if you're saying that you want to go into these cities and clean up, you know, illegal immigration, that's one thing, but declare war, that's true. Or seem like our imply that you're declaring war on the city. You can't be upset when people have backlash to that.

[Mimi Brown]

No, exactly, Exactly. And, you know, there's been some backlash or some confusion over who does what. So the National Guard does not arrest immigrants, ICE agents, immigration enforcement does. But with all the talk of sending in the guards, a lot of people are asking if it's for crime or if it's to arrest illegal aliens. And so the governor, J.B. pritzker, he, he spoke to MSNBC this weekend about the role of the National GU and what they're exactly. They can and cannot do. Let's listen to that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They are not allowed to do law enforcement. They can come into the city, but.

[Ben Shapiro]

They are restricted essentially to federal buildings, protecting federal buildings, if that's what they intend to do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is legal.

[Ben Shapiro]

But they're not allowed to simply come.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Into the neighborhoods and start, you know, imposing their will.

[Mimi Brown]

So Pritzker went on to say that ICE presence in Chicago is already surging, with local officials warning as many as 300 agents may already be in the city. ICE and other federal teams are expected to operate out of a naval station called Great lakes for about 30 days. Over the weekend, protesters gathered outside that base to protest the expected immigration crackdown. And switching gears to Washington, D.C. where Republicans are stepping up their crackdown on Washington, D.C. they're rolling out 14 new bills aimed at tightening federal control as part of President Trump's crime initiative on the nation's capital. But some of the proposals are drawing sharp criticism. Among the most controversial bills is one that would give Congress veto power over local laws by requiring every D.C. council bill to undergo a 60 day congressional review before it can take effect. Another would lower the age for juveniles to be tried as adults from 16 to 14 for violent crimes. And a third would repeal the Incarceration Reduction act, which currently allows people convicted of serious crimes as minors to request lighter sentences after serving at least 15 years. Now, local leaders in D.C. are calling this a power grab. They say that the crime in D.C. has already dropped by 50% over the last two years. D.C. attorney General Brian Schwab, he is suing the Trump administration over the National Guard deployment. He's arguing that federal government is policing the city without local consent. And over the weekend, thousands of protesters, they took to the streets in D.C. to rally against Trump's federal crackdowns. The demonstration was called We Are All DC it was aimed at sending a clear message that residents won't tolerate what what they see as a militarized takeover. Meanwhile, that guard deployment that began on August 11, it has been extended to November 30. So that is a quite a while for them to be in Washington, D.C. guys.

[DJ Envy]

All right, well, thank you, Mimi.

[Mimi Brown]

All right, well, coming up at 7, if your electric bill keeps climbing, we'll show you what may be behind the spike. That's at seven.

[DJ Envy]

All right, everybody else, get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, phone lines are wide open. Again, 800-585-1051. Get it off your chest. Call us up right now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. This is your time to get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. We want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club. Hello?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's this?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Hey, this is T. Hey, good morning.

[DJ Envy]

Good morning. Can you take us off Bluetooth? I'm sorry.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Can you hear me better?

[DJ Envy]

That's better. What's the matter, man?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why? Why?

[DJ Envy]

You sound like something's bothering you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's not bothering me. I'm just trying to figure out what's going on.

[DJ Envy]

My.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Me and my boyfriend, his mother watches our baby in the morning or whatever, which is a blessing, cuz we ain't got to pay for daycare. But we got in a big argument. He made a comment that, you know, his family does more for the baby than my side of the family during the argument. And that's because I got emancipated when I was. So my family's really here or there. Nevertheless, like, that one makes me feel weird when I drop my baby off in the morning to his mom because I really don't know that conversation. That's been behind closed doors. He loves me. We have a great relationship. Literally. She's the best ever. We've never had a problem. We've been together like two years plus now. So it's just weird. Now I'm dropping my baby off in the morning because it's like, I don't know if I should have that. No conversation with her.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, yes, yes. Listen, you know. You know, I'm realizing about humans, we don't know how to communicate. You know what I'm saying? Like, we don't know how to tell people simply, hey, that hurt my feelings, and then have a conversation about it.

[DJ Envy]

But was the argument with the grandmama or was it with.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It don't matter who it was with.

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, it was with my boyfriend. He made a comment that his mom, you know, or his side of the family does more. And I. I don't think grandma might not know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So have the conversation with your boyfriend.

[DJ Envy]

With your boyfriend. My grandma might not even know. Grandma not gonna take it off for her grandchild.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My point is, communication is important. We don't know how to communicate. And I was watching the Young Thug Banks interview this week, and it just reconfirmed what I've always thought. We don't know how to simply tell somebody, hey, you hurt my feelings, and then have a conversation about it. Talk to your boyfriend.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's just that simple. It's really that simple.

[DJ Envy]

Good luck. And don't feel anyway that grandma not gonna care about what was going on with her grandchild.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[DJ Envy]

All righty, mama.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Tell your boyfriend he hurt your feelings and have a conversation about it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I will. Cause, you know, I gotta work on my communication too. But it's just like, you never know what a mom and son. Now that I have a son, you never know that relationship. And again, I don't think it was more her. I think stuff was just said out of anger both ways, you know? But it does make me feel, you know, weird dropping my baby off of, like, hey, did you say that you did more? That was like, maybe he should set the tone. And then I go in and have that woman to him. A conversation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There you go.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Maybe I just need to take the leaves.

[DJ Envy]

That sounds good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And the reason I push therapy so much to people, because all therapy teaches you how to do is open up, be vulnerable, and know how to communicate. Use your goddamn words. They tell us this when we kids all the time, but don't nobody know how to. Don't nobody know how to use their words when they're adults.

[DJ Envy]

Hello? Who's this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ryan out of Charlotte, North Carolina.

[DJ Envy]

Now, Ryan, you. It says you're calling here for a specific reason and a specific reason only. Yeah, go ahead.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

One, two reasons.

[DJ Envy]

All right. What's the first one?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

One I want to shot with Lauren LaRosa.

[DJ Envy]

He said he wants to shoot his shot with Lauren LaRosa.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Go. Hey, Lauren. How you doing?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm doing good. How are you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You have no taste. We'll continue. I'm doing well.

[DJ Envy]

You go ahead, bro.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Express a little bit too much therapy needs to make you pull back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I communicate. I'm sorry.

[DJ Envy]

Go, Ryan.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Lauren, how you doing?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm doing good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got it. Yo, I got a shot.

[Lauren LaRosa]

A shot at what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She don't even know you.

[DJ Envy]

You don't even say nothing. How you doing? Can I take you out One lack next Time you in Charlotte. This, that and the other. Like, you.

[Ben Shapiro]

You.

[DJ Envy]

Come on, man.

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, I'm not even. I'm not even outside in the gym no more. I'm doing good over here. I can't even entertain a shot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She got two men now, man. We call her two men.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You didn't even go about it the right way. Anyway, you like. Hey, Lauren. Hi. Good morning. I got a shot.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

You sound kind of sorry.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, let me shoot my shot at DJ Envy.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yep, go ahead.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My little brother here. Dj. DJ quiz. I was wondering if he could be mentored by you. That was a terrible segue. You know, I just thought you was bisexual. Be funny, man.

[DJ Envy]

If it started to hang up and.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He was like, you know what? I need this, this Monday morning.

[DJ Envy]

There you go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Get it off. You still hung up on the man, even though he asked for mentorship for his little brother?

[DJ Envy]

Yes. Get it off.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know why people support 800-585-1051.

[DJ Envy]

If you need the vent, hit us up now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Ray. Ray.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ray. Yo, Charlemagne.

[DJ Envy]

Envy. What up?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Are we live?

[DJ Envy]

This is your time to get it off your chest.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I got an indoor pool. Pool.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Outdoor pool.

[DJ Envy]

We want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club. We can get on the phone right now. He'll tell you what it is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hello? Who's this?

[Mimi Brown]

Hello?

[DJ Envy]

Hey, good morning. Get it off your chest.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Holy crap. This is Z in Florida. I am just getting off my chest. I broke up with my boyfriend over the weekend. I found out he was cheating on me with this ugly stripper with brown teeth. Like, it was crazy. But I lowered my standards to be with that man completely. Like, went against my type. And if I'm gonna deal with the same type. Anyway, I'm going back to my child. Dr. Hansel.

[DJ Envy]

So you're a stripper, and he cheated with you with another stripper?

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, I'm not a stripper.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, okay.

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, he cheated with a stripper. I found out about the stripper over the weekend. And her teeth were brown.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, her body looked like, though. You ain't telling us what them cheeks look like.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And that's what made it worse. That's what made it worse. She was bad, though.

[Mimi Brown]

Like, horrible.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Lego, like it was.

[Mimi Brown]

I didn't even argue with the man.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I just. I just took all my stuff in the middle of the night and left.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's her Instagram? Because you might. You a little. You might be a little bit jaded. You need to let Us judge whether or not, you know, she's trash or not. What's her Instagram?

[Mimi Brown]

I don't have her Instagram.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I give you my Instagram.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you're not. I'm not interested in seeing you. You got cheated on. Like you. I want to see. I want to see what he cheated with.

[DJ Envy]

Well, I'm sorry you had to go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What is your Instagram, though?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Not even worse than she.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Trash. What's your Instagram? Let me look. What's your Instagram?

[Lauren LaRosa]

My Instagram is Pineapple underscore Zoya Joya.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

V O Y A. Oh, let's see. It's not coming up.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, for me either.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nope, it's not coming up. I'm sorry you got cheated on, though. I really am.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was only.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It was a short relationship. Smirky, are you really sorry? He's up here smirking. Pineapple. Voya. Don't believe him.

[DJ Envy]

I'm sorry, Pineapple.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm sorry you got cheated on. How old is your boyfriend?

[Lauren LaRosa]

He was 46.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, my God.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Too old to be cheating.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How old are you?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Tell me about it. Tell me about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How old are you?

[Lauren LaRosa]

32.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[DJ Envy]

Well, I'm sorry, Mama.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's okay. Water under the bread. We don't even fight over them no more. Not even a big deal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It ain't worth it. How old is the scribble?

[DJ Envy]

Yo, shut up.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I don't know, but 50 in the face?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How would she look?

[DJ Envy]

50 in the face? Jesus.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey, man, I'm sorry.

[DJ Envy]

Pineapple Goya.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You keep saying my name. What is the last letter of the album?

[DJ Envy]

All right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know what she said. Just.

[DJ Envy]

Me neither, but have a good week. Have a Good week, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

43 years old is too. Too old to be cheating.

[DJ Envy]

Hello?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's this? Yo, yo, yo. What up? It's Small.

[DJ Envy]

What's up? Get it off your chest, Low. Yeah, I ain't got nothing to get off my chest.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey, my birthday. I feel good. Hey, she not here this morning. Oh, what? I saw him. Ain't. Yo, listen, man. Charlemagne.

[DJ Envy]

Charlemagne, hear me out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Today, my birthday. Happy Born Day King. Listen, I ain't asking for nothing.

[DJ Envy]

I asked for no money.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All I'm asking for is to come.

[DJ Envy]

Up there and throw out some slippers that you always be wearing, B.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just let me throw them joints out and you start fresh.

[DJ Envy]

Me? What's good? Why? For your birthday? You want him? You want something that concerns his slippers?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because I'm tired of them slippers. Every time he posts Them joints, I.

[DJ Envy]

Want to throw them joints out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, I don't understand being you, you, you in New York, man.

[DJ Envy]

Throw some joints on your feet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You think I care about being in goddamn New York? My slippers look better than this city. All right.

[DJ Envy]

They don't look better than the city. City's bad, but they don't look better than the city.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Low.

[DJ Envy]

Happy birthday, brother.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good luck, brother. And I'm never getting rid of these slippers. I made history in these slippers. These slippers got me in the radio hard.

[DJ Envy]

I don't know if the slippers got.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You in, but definitely being here, comfortable every morning, got me in the radio hall of fame. Yes, it's these slippers. I'm down here in va.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Please let him talk. Go ahead, Go ahead.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I'm not here.

[DJ Envy]

I'm from Detroit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what up, though?

[DJ Envy]

What up, though? I got a question as a father.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And a grandfather about this Epstein case. Yes, sir. Now that Trump has said that Epstein took them girls from his spa, admitted that as a father, we know at 15 and 16, we have to get our child work permit. We know our kid at work.

[DJ Envy]

What did they tell their mom and.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Dad when they came looking for their daughters?

[DJ Envy]

Because they didn't tell them everything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Took them.

[DJ Envy]

Well, I think when I was watching the documentary, it seems like a lot of them didn't tell their parents. A lot of them, they knew to focus on kids that didn't have money, parents that were working and not around their kids too much. And these kids would come right after school. So it'd be like two, three hours right after school where parents necessarily didn't know where their children were.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That boils down to what I was thinking, because even if the employees seen them little girls working, they seem clock out, leave off the property, off camera. How we know Trump and Epstein didn't have goons waiting on them in vans and snatch them girls up? Because Trump admit he knew Epstein took her.

[DJ Envy]

Why didn't he say that 20 years ago? That's my only question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What did they tell the family?

[DJ Envy]

What are you saying? What you asking? Why does it happen? Didn't tell. What do you. What are you asking? No, what I'm saying is when families.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Came asking at that job, have y' all seen my daughter? They saying, no, she left work.

[DJ Envy]

But Trump just admitted Epstein took them. So when the families came looking for their daughters, why didn't they say Epstein took them?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Are you. What are you basing this off? I don't know. Is this off the documentary Because I haven't watched the documentary on Netflix.

[DJ Envy]

Did Trump just say so this is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What Trump said himself.

[DJ Envy]

Epstein was a creep because he took.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Girls from him from his spot. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if it was the spy. He said that they used to work, that he took employees from him. I know what you're talking about.

[DJ Envy]

Okay. My thing is, if, you know, Epstein took them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When Epstein was on trial, why didn't you say Epstein took them girls? I don't think he said that. He would. That he was taking them for the.

[DJ Envy]

It was taking employees away.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Of sexual. Yeah, he just said he was taking employees. He said. He said. He said it was over his spa workers at Mar A Lago. He said he kicked him out of his club for hiring workers away from Mar a Lago. He didn't say that they were sex workers.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, he didn't say they were underage. He just said they were taking his workers, taking his employees.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, okay.

[DJ Envy]

They need to look into that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And one last thing.

[DJ Envy]

Look at that video when Trump and.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Epstein standing there with them girl dancing in front of them.

[DJ Envy]

Look at them girls faces. Them girls 15 and 16 years old, man. All right, brother. Just look at that when you get a chance.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm pretty sure that was established.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you, brother.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. Now we got the latest with Lauren.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We do.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We are going to get into the young thug interview.

[DJ Envy]

It was a lot.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It was. It was a lot. I mean, it was almost three hours.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I watched the whole thing, every single minute. I thought it was incredible.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I thought it was incredible.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Brilliant job by Banks.

[DJ Envy]

Did an amazing job.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Couldn't have sat down with anybody else. It was the perfect interview. I don't think he needs to say anything else to anyone else, but we're gonna break it down.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nobody else could have conducted that interview like Banks.

[Ben Shapiro]

But did it made you guys.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I mean, you guys are a little bit more mature than a lot of other people, but I feel like it humanized him in a way, too, because the conversation has been so stupid around all of this stuff. It made me really look at this from, like, a bigger picture of, like, the help people should be getting with different things.

[DJ Envy]

Like, some of it seemed. Look, it seems. It still is a little stupid to me, but I just love the way that he conducted the fact that he was open and I love how Banks control.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But we gonna get into it, because I think one of my takeaways was, even though that stuff is stupid, sometimes when you're raised in certain things. No matter how far you get, it's hard to get away from it. And now he's opening up and you see the help he needs. Right. Like y' all walked away feeling like he needs some help and some. Yeah, we're going to talk about all of it. It was a great interview. So we're going to break it down and take some time with the interview and y' all reaction to the interview as well.

[DJ Envy]

All right, we'll get to the latest with Lauren next. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. Is DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Let's get to the latest with Lauren. Lauren becoming a straight face. She gets them from somebody that knows somebody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She gets the details.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She'd be having the latest on this. The Latest with Lauren LaRosa. Sometimes she has facts, sometimes you have details. Sometimes she have a little bit of everything. Well, it's the latest on the Breakfast Club. Talk to me.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So young thug sat down for an exclusive interview with Big bank on his show Perspectives.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yup. That you can listen to on The Black Effect iHeartradio podcast network.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. He's one of my Black Effect cousins. Yeah. So the interview was, I mean, three hours long.

[DJ Envy]

Danielle did a great job.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes, it was a great job. So they opened the interview. It was very real from the beginning. They started having a conversation in the.

[DJ Envy]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Mimi Brown]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause I'm gonna keep real with you, son.

[DJ Envy]

Coming out of jail, like, it's like, you ain't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You wanna learn. You ain't learned your lesson Hearing calls, talking on the phone, like, what the.

[DJ Envy]

Hell wrong with this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Know you was in there praying, right?

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely. Do you not understand your prayers got answered? Yeah, you understand that. But you also listening to people tell you, like, why you the wizard, you ain't going to prison. And then you all. You gotta understand, man, I was in jail three years, bro. Like, I was praying three whole years. @ some point I started thinking, like, the prayers ain't working. Like, I'm going through every day, I'm looking at my best friend. Them do what they do. I'm looking at this. I'm looking at something, and it's making me feel how I'm feeling. Like I ain't never been pillow talk. I ain't never been to talk about nobody else in my life on the phone with nobody else. I've never been that type of.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I've been.

[DJ Envy]

These last few days, I've been sitting around, like, what was I thinking? Like, what I was doing? He said, you were saying that. I think I was just so up and I just felt like it was just over. Like, I'm just sitting in jail 24 hours on. On 23 and 1. I'm in a sale 23 hours. At this point, I'm just like, man, I don't give a life. It ain't. It ain't what I'm thinking. It is like, I'm just talking now. At this point, I'm just talking. But the crazy part is all these conversations that I had on the phone, I also had with the same. I was talking about on the phones. So that's why it don't seem weird between us, me and them, because I didn't have these same conversations with Wayne. I don't hurt he had these same conversations. Savage. We talk like me and we brothers. We talk. You gotta understand, like, my standpoint. I'm locked up. I'm on the phone talking to my girl every day. This the only person I'm talking to on the phone. It's the only person that I can talk to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The first 20 minutes of this conversation was bank setting the table for who Jeffrey is. His upbringing. That was dope.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Before they even got to that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. And a part of that in that opening was from what I took from it was because it was weird. It was like the interview was for us to get this information. But I feel like, like, it. Big Bang did a really good job, almost like playing therapist. So it was like him putting Thug in a mindset of, like, think about who you were before so many different things came into your life. And let's go back to that, because right now, your thinking is. Is corrupted there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen, first of all, drop on the clues bombs for Banks. Right. Phenomenal job. There's nobody else who could have conducted that interview. Because regional identity and media matters.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like Atlanta needed to talk to Atlanta. Like Banks, having knowledge, the different nuances, different politics. Politics in Atlanta made this one of the best, most compelling interviews I've seen with a rapper in a long time.

[DJ Envy]

But the respect was there as well. Oh, respect was there too. So when the questions were asked, it wasn't based off of trying to get a. A headline. It was based off of respect. And I love that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, you can tell he said it. Thug respects Banks because Banks was really in the streets atl. And Banks understands the inner workings of discrete politics in Atlanta, and he knows exactly how the streets feel in Atlanta about the situation. But more importantly, like you just said, Laura, Banks is a man has done the healing work on himself. So he was able to conduct this conversation with a level of empathy and accountability that a lot of other folks couldn't. And Thug needs to be on his healing journey because that man is hurt.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I agree. Now, they do get into the Gunner conversation, which I also thought was handled very well because Big bank, he played devil's advocate a lot and challenged Thug on some things a lot. Let's take a listen to Young Thug loves Gunna and brotherhood.

[DJ Envy]

I honor this. I love you, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you still love bro.

[DJ Envy]

I poured so much into This, I can't even hate him. But I thought in jail, I thought I hated him when he took the pleas, when they did it, I thought I hated these. My girl made me realize, like, but you don't hate him. You just mad at him. You don't hate him, bro. Well, I don't wish no ill. No ill will on him. No ill feelings at all. Because I was just angry. But it seemed like nobody understanding why I'm angry. Like, what are you talking about, bro?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I. I understand what Thug is coming from. The hardest thing for men to say, people in general is, yo, you hurt my feelings. Thug's feelings were hurt. He felt betrayal. He's sitting in jail and that man was hurt and projecting that pain onto a lot of people.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, absolutely. And I think people understand. He said nobody understood why he was hurt. No, we all understood why you were hurt. Somebody that you considered a friend?

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, I understood it, but I think.

[DJ Envy]

Understood exactly why he was hurt.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I feel like, like, Thug is responding to a lot of the public perception and reaction. And the reaction was not. We get why Thug is hurt. The reaction was, aha, Thug. You turn the fingers on Gun and now they're on you. Oh, you mean now get down. But that's what he's talking about. He's like. He said. He's literally said in this interview a couple times. I'm here because I feel like as a man I need to speak to certain things because people are questioning my moves. Yeah, his morals. He feels like Gunna has not spoken to anything. Now let's take a listen. Because Big bang did get into a conversation he had with Gunna when Gunna first came home. And it was the first time that Thug had heard this information. Take a listen to that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Reason why slime.

[DJ Envy]

Reason why slime ain't with Gunner.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause he already done put the word out and stamped it to.

[DJ Envy]

And he gotta stand with these, not saying it's right or wrong. It's like, how the hell I'm finna make these. They friendship or whatever.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They camaraderie with this.

[DJ Envy]

And then I come home, I feel. And then I talked to Gun.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When he first got out of jail, I was trying to get an interview with him.

[DJ Envy]

He was like, man, I ain't worried.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

About none of these saying, I know my brother in that box up. I was just in money, right? Like, whatever.

[DJ Envy]

I don't give a beer to me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If it ain't when he get out of jail. They're my brother.

[DJ Envy]

You know what I'm saying? I love that I know he loved me. He knowing. He knowing I wouldn't have did that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I. Triple action folk.

[DJ Envy]

Is this gonna affect my brother? That's what he told me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen, he should use this opportunity to forgive Gunna because I'm listening to the convo. You know, as I was listening to the convo with Banks, it seems like, you know, Thug has a. I hate calling him Thug. Jeff has a lot of understanding towards everyone else and why they cop, please. But, you know, with Gunna, he took it a lot more personal also because I think of how Gunna might have handled it when he came home. He specifically said Gunna wasn't looking out for his mom. And he just felt like Gunna wasn't, you know, there for him. The way he should have been.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. But also, too, he talked a lot about the fact that the other pleas only happened because according to Thug. Yes. Because when Gunna switched the conversation about what YSL was, everybody basically had to get out of Dodge. So, yeah, it would have more weight on it.

[DJ Envy]

But that was. That was that conversation when he said, yes, ma', am. Yes, ma'. Am. When he was like, is YSL a gang?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

Yes, ma', am, yes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And if you guys remember, when the. When all that was happening back then, it was like one after the other, like one place. But gonna. I'm gonna. But Young Thug broke it down and said, well, Gunna's plea happened first. And then we. They just basically had.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They were trying to. They were the narrative that YSO was a gang, wasn't what they were what they wanted. But he said gonna was the first to confirmed it yesterday.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And you would have thought that the attorneys were having conversations. He said they were to a certain extent, but Gunna was like, on the island by himself now in the next hour, because there's just a little bit more I want to get to because we've been have also a lot of conversations about how Atlanta is in shambles right now. Right. They seem so divided, and we don't know Atlanta to be that. I think Big bank did a really good job also of having a real OG conversation with Thug about why all this needs to stop and how we move on. So we're gonna button it up with that at the top of the next hour when we come back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Great job, Banks, man.

[DJ Envy]

Amazing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Phenomenal.

[DJ Envy]

Amazing job. I think also too, we got to remember, too remember, Thug signed in what, 2012, 2013. I'm a stone. That came out in 2014. So the fact that we still having these street conversations five years later, Ten years later. That's the problem. We have to know that's the problem. We have to get to a place where we get out the streets. Like where we say the streets is whack. The streets is corny. Right. Because it leads to nowhere.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, they tried to have that bank tried to have that conversation and that's just not Atlanta.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Everywhere they had that conversation and I thought they had it very well. But I'm just telling you, the hardest thing for me men to say to other men is, you hurt my feelings. Straight up. Once you say that. Once you tell somebody, yo, you hurt my feelings, then y' all can have a real honest conversation about that. That's all therapy teaches you how to do is to open up, be vulnerable and communicate. Don't know how to communicate.

[DJ Envy]

Well, we'll get to it next some more next hour. Now, when we come back, we got front page news and then Ben Shapiro will be joining us. He's the co founder of the Daily Wire. So don't move. It's the Breakfast Club gonna move. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious Charlamagne, the guy we are the Breakfast Club. Let's get back in some front page news. Start off with some quick sports. Now, yesterday, the Commanders beat the Giants 21 6. Jaguars beat the Panthers 20 6.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like how you just be breathing past the Giants got their ass busted yesterday. Yeah, you say it real fast in the beginning to try to throw people off. I don't like that we lost because you know when the Cowboys lose, you being here. Cheering, cheering, cheering. I told y' all the Giants gonna suck, by the way. Hey, God bless. Sierra. Sierra, I told you your prayers wasn't gonna work for the Giants. When she was here, I told her that she was only one game.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I wonder if she was nervous.

[DJ Envy]

It's only one game. The Bills beat the Ravens 41 40. Packers beat the Lions 27 13. Rams beat the Texans 14 9. Broncos beat the Titans. 2012 Raiders beat the Pages 2013 Buccaneers beat the Falcons 23 20. Cardinals beat the Saints. The Steelers beat the Jets 34 to 32. 49ers beat the Seahawks. And tonight in Monday Night Football, the Vikings take on the bears at 8:15. What's up, Mimi?

[Mimi Brown]

What's up? Good morning. Good morning, Lauren.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Good morning, Mimi.

[Mimi Brown]

Good morning. All right, so the race for New York City mayor, it may be erupting into political chaos with President Donald Trump trying to reshape the field. And Democrats are deeply divided and progressive nominees Zoran Mandami fighting to hold the party together ahead of the general election in November. Now, this all started back in June when Mandani, a 33 year old Democratic socialist and state assemblyman, pulled off a stunning upset, defeating former Governor Andrew Cuomo by 12 points in the Democratic primary. But instead of uniting behind him, many top Democrats are refusing to endorse him, including Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hagenow Jeffries, both from New York. Now, tensions are escalating after reports surface that President Trump's aides have quietly been pressuring candidates to drop out, including former current mayor, excuse me, Eric Adams, who's running for reelection. Now, according to multiple reports, Trump's team, they're floating the idea of offering Adams an ambassadorship or another high profile role if he exits the race. That move, that move would clear the path for Cuomo, who is running as an independent. At a press conference late last week, Mayor Adams, he denied that he is dropping out of the race. Let's hear what he had to say.

[DJ Envy]

Andrew Cuomo is a snake and a liar. I am in this race and I'm the only one that can beat Mandani. Andrew has had a career of pushing black candidates out of races that most must stop with me. I am running and I'm going to beat Mandani and I'm going to continue the success that the city has witnessed.

[Mimi Brown]

Well, despite that clear message, sources have revealed that Mayor Adams is scheduled to be in Washington this week for a White House sit down. Now, again, this all comes amid swirling speculation that President Trump, his team is considering offer him offering him a predominant role, something like ambassador to Saudi Arabia or a position in Housing and Urban Development. Meanwhile, go ahead.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think Adams, our Cuomo are, what's his name? Curtis Stillwell has his name sleep well, I don't think any of them can beat Mandani if the race is currently the way that it is. Because all three, all three of them are going to split the vote.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, that's what happens to the office.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Adams and Mondani head up or Cuomo and Mondani head up, up more so Cuomo. I, I think, you know, Cuomo would win. But if with all three of them in the race, no, they're not going to beat Madonna.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Mimi Brown]

So I think that's why they're trying to pull out Adams. Right. So that they can center the votes on Cuomo. And then this weekend, Bernie Sanders and aoc, they had a, a rally. They're trying to get folks behind Mandami. It was in Brooklyn and they said the Democrats are sending the wrong message by staying silent. And we're also talking about Governor Kathy Hochul. She has met with Mandami multiple times, but she hasn't endorsed him either. So the progressives are calling on those top Democrats to get behind him. They're saying it only strengthens Trump's influence and positions, like you just said, Cuomo as a comeback kid. So we'll see what happens. And so if your electricity bill has gone up lately, you are not imagining it. Power prices, they are climbing faster than almost anything else that you're paying for. And it's shaping up to be a major political fight ahead of the election season. Now, according to the latest consumer price index, electricity prices have jumped 5.5% in the past year, double the rate of inflation. And experts say the rising bills are about to become a hot button issue for voters. Now, back In October of 2024, President Trump, he promised at the time he was a candidate, but he promised to slash the electricity bills by 50%. So that was almost a year ago. Let's remind ourselves of what he had to say back then.

[DJ Envy]

We will also cut energy and electricity prices in half, 50% within 12 months, including for all people and families, not just companies. So ready your energy bill will be.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cut from January 20th, will be cut by 50% in 12 months.

[DJ Envy]

Okay, 5 of 50%.

[Mimi Brown]

So that was back in October of 2024. But so far, prices are moving in the opposite direction. And experts say Trump's own policies could be making things worse. His administration has cut subsidies for wind and solar energy, fast tracked construction of power hungry AI data centers, and push exports of US Natural gas overseas. And that means less supplies here at home, driving prices higher. Democrats, they are seizing on the issue, blaming Trump for what they call an energy crisis. And energy experts say the full impact though of this, the policies, they haven't hit yet. Electricity tends to rise with lag. So as fossil fuels are exported and less renewable energy gets built, consumers could see even steeper bills in the coming months. Want. But for now, both parties are pointing fingers and many of the households, many consumers are left to fit that bill with no relief in sight. So we'll keep watching that. And finally you all, we have a Powerball winner. Actually, we have two Powerball winners, one in Texas and one in Missouri. So they will split that grand prize, I think $410 million each.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, wow. Congrats.

[Mimi Brown]

Yeah. So the, the, the ticket in Texas was sold about 25 miles out of Kerr County. Now, if you remember, Kerr county was that place where they had that massive flooding back in July where 120 people passed away. So each person though, like I said, will take away $410 million. And if you're hoping for a big press conference with everyone carrying their checks, don't hold your breath because both in Texas and in Missouri you can Rene remain a non anonymous.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Very smart individuals. That's right, very smart individuals. God bless them. I hope that they remain anonymous and they understand financial literacy and they live some very fruitful lives because you know, people be going crazy after they win the win those big lotteries like that.

[Mimi Brown]

They sure do so well. That's your front page news. I am Mimi Brown. Follow me on social at Mimi Brown tv And for more coverage file the black, follow the Black Information Network or download the free I Heart radio app and of course visit BI N News.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you, Mimi.

[Mimi Brown]

Thank you.

[DJ Envy]

Now when we come back, Ben Shapiro will be joining us. He's the co founder of the Daily Wire. He has a new book, Lions and Scavengers the True Story of America. We'll talk to him next. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Morning everybody.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's DJ Envy.

[DJ Envy]

Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lola Rosa is here as well and we got a special guest in the back building. Yes, indeed we have Ben Shapiro. Welcome.

[Ben Shapiro]

Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate. Doing okay.

[DJ Envy]

Doing all right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Thank God Ben's got a new book out. Lions and Scavengers, the True Story of America. Very interesting read. You define the lion as people who uphold biblical values, individual responsibility and moral duty.

[Ben Shapiro]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you contrast them with scavengers who you say demand entitlement, blame systemic oppression and lack purpose. Expound on that.

[Ben Shapiro]

Sure. So I think the basic division is not a right left division. You know, in the book I actually tried really hard not to turn it into a right left division because I, I don't think that it actually is. And I think it's also an internal battle inside our own heart that we get up in the morning and you have to decide when you face down the problems of the day, whether you're going to be somebody who takes responsibility, does your duty, gets out of bed and actually decides to do something meaningful in the world. Or they can be somebody who looks at the problems in your life, blames some sort of shadowy system and then complains about that. None of that is to claim that, you know, there aren't systems that exist that are bad and that need to be fixed, but you need Evidence. And you need actual correctives to those systems in order to actually practically fix those systems. So the contrast that I'm making here is between people who decide that they want to build, you know, create social fabric, be innovative, be risk takers, and people who simply want to tear down. And you see, you know, for example, in some of these college protests, people who are marching together who have nothing in common except that they just don't like the system and they don't even have a replacement for the system. It's just that the system itself must be to blame for all of their problems. That's sort of the basic contrast.

[DJ Envy]

I'm sorry, I know we just jumped out the window, but for people that don't know who Ben Shapiro is, let's start from the beginning. Explain to people who Ben Shapiro is and where you start, where you came from and et cetera. So they know who.

[Ben Shapiro]

Sure. So I mean, my basic job is that I'm co founder of the Daily Wire, which is the second largest conservative media organization in the country after Fox News, probably. I have a podcast called the Ben Shapiro show that's about 10 years old now, and maybe the biggest conservative podcast in the country. And you know, my sort of early beginnings, where I grew up in Burbank, California, thank God I had the highest form of privilege, which was fantastic parents. And I grew up in a very small, like 1100 square foot house with three sisters. One bedroom for us, one for my parents, one bathroom for six people. And you know, I've been again, privileged to live in the greatest country in the world. And so went to ucla, went to Harvard Law School. I've been doing commentary on politics since I was about 17 years old. I'm now 41.

[DJ Envy]

So what got you into politics so early at 17? What did you see that said, no, I want to do this, or what? Didn't you like that made you want to?

[Ben Shapiro]

Yeah, I mean, I was always fascinated just by history. And because I was a big reader, I skipped a couple of grades. I went to college when I was 16. And so because I loved reading, because I loved history and politics, I just got very, very into it. And, you know, we live in interesting times now. I thought they were interesting back when I was 17. It is way more interesting and insane now. I feel like an alternative timeline is somehow spun off into Elon's, you know, fever dream. But it's definitely a. We're in a weird place now.

[DJ Envy]

Was your goal always to be a commentator or did you want to jump into say I wanted to do something at the White House or.

[Ben Shapiro]

No, it was always to be a commentary. I mean, again, from the time I was 17. I had a syndicated column when I was 17 years old. So at the time, I was the youngest syndicated columnist in the country. I'd say most of the dumb crap that I said was between the ages of like, 17 and 25. Like. Like most people. And I do have a running list on. Because so much of my, you know, kind of political career has been public from the time I was a teenager. I actually have a running list on our website of all the dumb crap that I've said over the course of my career, trying to either explain or apologize for. For stupid things that I've said. You know, I think we should be.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Keep a list of that. Just blame it on AI. Why would you ever do that?

[Ben Shapiro]

I think it's the honest way to go. Right? I mean, better do that. Otherwise somebody uncovers it and uses it against you, so you better may as well.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I agree with that. But you know what? I always. I had a saying, live your truth, so nobody uses your truth against you. And I call it the Eminem and 8 mile theory. Because, you know, at the end of 8 mile, Eminem said everything you know about himself that his opponent could say about him, they're still gonna use it against you regardless.

[Ben Shapiro]

I mean, that's definitely true, but there. And so there are certain statements from, like. Yeah, no, I meant that when I. When I wrote that in 19. And then there are statements where I really think it was kind of dumb. And so I would like people to know that I think that it was dumb, that I've changed my mind on things.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, what's the biggest one you think?

[Ben Shapiro]

Let's see. There was a. There's a column that I wrote about civilian casualties when I was 19 years old that was poorly articulated at best, talking about how the US army should basically not take consideration of civilian casualties because I would rather protect American soldiers than worry too much about civilian casualties. It wasn't articulated in that way. I think the general principle of that is still true. When you're looking at American soldiers, obviously, you have to value their lives, and you have to make sure that they can actually engage in wars in ways that protect them, because obviously we're American and our interest in America is protecting America. But it was very poorly articulated, so that'd be a big one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you feel that way about the Israel, Gaza war?

[Ben Shapiro]

Sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Ben Shapiro]

I mean, yes. I mean, Israel and I know a lot of people over in Israel, obviously. And yeah, I know a lot of soldiers who've been gravely wounded going house to house in a conflict where clearly people in Israel. I know. Shaka.

[DJ Envy]

Right.

[Ben Shapiro]

What was the giveaway?

[DJ Envy]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you believe that. So you understand why people are upset about. About what Israel is doing.

[Ben Shapiro]

I mean, I certainly understand that conflict is incredibly ugly. And when you look at pictures, particularly drone pictures of wrecked areas, then it's very.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kids being killed.

[Ben Shapiro]

I mean, any conflict, civilians, casual civilians, as you just. I mean, yes, although I will say obviously that I believe that Israel has been as meticulous as any army in history in terms of its tactics in urban warfare. And the numbers bear this out. And again, I know people who've had their lives blown off going specifically house to house when Israel had complete air superiority. If Israel just didn't care about civilian casualties, they would have leveled the place Oct. 8, and they did not. They've been going house to house, they've been moving populations. All of this is ugly. There's no such thing as a pretty war, particularly in an urban environment. And could things be done differently or should they be done differently? In case by case situations, I'm sure, yes. I mean, again, war is very ugly. But the sort of large scale accusations that have been made that Israel doesn't care about civilians or that Israel has been attempting a genocide, that's just factually untrue.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't think what's happening in Gaza is a genocide?

[Ben Shapiro]

Genocide, correct.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay. But the world's leading association of genocide scholars has declared that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza based off the pure definition of.

[Ben Shapiro]

Well, it's not actually, if you read their actual study, it's not based on the quote, unquote, pure definition of genocide. They don't actually even define genocide in the document. And they basically went out to their membership, but they didn't go out to the entire membership. They went out to generic membership. It is very easy to join the International association of Genocide Scholars. In fact, there were several people yesterday day who just signed up and were immediately admitted, even though they have no actual background in genocide. The question is not whether some sort of coterie of people who call themselves experts in an issue are quote, unquote, experts on the issue. The question is whether the definition is met. The definition of genocide is not met in Gaza by any stretch of the imagination. And you can cite to me, you know, a group that I hadn't heard of until two seconds ago, and nobody had heard of until two seconds ago, that voted in a particular way that doesn't make a difference. Definitional.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what does a genocide view?

[Ben Shapiro]

A genocide is the attempt to forcibly destroy an entire population, which is not what has happened.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So it's not the attacks on, like, the personal facilities needed for, like, survival, like health care and educational institutions.

[Ben Shapiro]

Well, again, Israel has shipped in more humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip than literally any army to. In a population that supports the enemy in literally all of human history. They've been shipping in about 4,400 calories per day per person into the Gaza Strip in the middle of a war in which the enemy is holding actual Israeli hostages underground, who, as we've seen from some of the pictures, are actually starving. Again, none of this is to claim that the war is pretty or meticulous or anodyne, because it isn't. It's really, really, really ugly. But over the course of this war, about 3% of the Gazan population has been killed or wounded. If you're gonna look at an actual genocide, obviously the prototypical case being the Holocaust, you're looking at 50% of the entire Jewish population in Europe. Europe destroyed. If you're looking at other attempted genocides, say, the. The genocides in Rwanda, you're talking about extraordinarily high percentages of the population that are wiped out. You certainly are not seeing procedures that require four layers of actual legal authority in order to do a drone strike. I've actually seen the tape of them doing this in Israel. They actually, if they. If they spot from the air a terrorist who's going into a particular civilian area, you has to take like a full minute where the pilot, pilot on the drone calls up the legal authority, who then calls up the higher legal authority to get clearance for the actual drone strike. And they will call off the drone strike if they believe that the military target is too costly in terms of civilian casualties. Hamas knows this, which is why they're hiding among civilians. In fact, the best proof that this is not, in fact, a purposeful genocide is the fact that Hamas is hiding behind civilians. The reason you hide behind civilians is because you know your enemy doesn't want to kill civilians. If you believe that your enemy doesn't care about killing civilians, you wouldn't hide among civilians. That wouldn't be a defense mechanism.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you think Israel needs a regime change?

[Ben Shapiro]

It's. I mean, Israel's a democracy. They've had, I think, five elections in the last four years. There probably will be election again in March. I do not think that Israel would be conducting this war very differently if, if there were somebody else in power. And I actually know every Israeli Prime Minister for the last 10 years, including the ones who are on the opposite side. People like Yair Lapid, who's on the opposite side, or Naftali Bennett, who's on the opposite side.

[DJ Envy]

We're still kicking with Ben Shapiro, the co founder of the Daily Wire. And you believe in banning abortions, right?

[Ben Shapiro]

I'm pro life, yes.

[DJ Envy]

Even in cases of incest and rape?

[Ben Shapiro]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

Why?

[Ben Shapiro]

Because this is a sort of a fundamental definitional question. If you believe life begins at conception, then regardless of the source of the life, it now has an independent interest in life. So that is not to minimize the tremendous evil of rape or incest. I believe rapists should be, should be executed, frankly or chemically castrated at best. But you know that that's sort of a different question from the independent source of life and whether, again, it gets back to definitions and this, this conversation tends to be either you're on one side of that or the other. If you, if you don't believe life begins at conception, then obviously you believe abortion is acceptable in a wide variety of circumstances. If you believe it's an independent life deserving of protection, then you believe it's an independent life deserving of protection.

[DJ Envy]

Lauren, what do you think about that? I'm just, that's a woman.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I think that a woman should be able to choose to do what she wants to do wherever she decides to do it. I personally, I believe that women should be able to, to abort babies if they want to, if they feel like that's what they need to do.

[Ben Shapiro]

Do you have a time limit on that, out of curiosity?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I mean, I think it should happen earlier on if it were me making a decision for myself. But I think it's up to the woman and what she's personally experiencing and what she personally went through. I really think it's a per person thing. That's why I think it's crazy when you have like these structures and these like people who are not in that, that, that situation making the decision for the woman, what you can and can't do, because it's very like per person, my situation might be different than another woman who sit next to me.

[Ben Shapiro]

Right. So again, this is sort of the definitional issue that we're talking about, because you're talking about what a woman should be allowed to do. And what I'm talking about is the definition of personhood, of the separate person inside the woman. I think that what I, what I'd push on is why, why do you personally believe that a woman should have an abortion earlier?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I think just from personal experience I've been in this situation. I just think emotionally and mentally it's less that you think about, but it does depend on how you think of when the life is formed or you know, should be looked at as like a life that you.

[Ben Shapiro]

Right, so that's that, that I think is the big question and that's where the disconnect is.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So, but that, what I'm saying is that that's always going to be different for each person.

[Ben Shapiro]

But I don't think that the subjective definition of life is how we define life. Meaning that you being uncomfortable with a woman having an abortion in the ninth month, you're saying that just because you're uncomfortable with it, that doesn't mean that you should stop a woman from doing that. My point is that life has a definition, right? We all agree, for example, that a one month old baby should not be drowned. We all agree on that. And that's not up to the personal. Should not be drowned. You shouldn't take a baby and drown in a bathtub. Right? And the question is, well, why? Because we now understand that the one month old baby, everyone agrees with this, right? Except for Peter Singer at Princeton, that a one month old baby has an independent interest in life, right? That is a life that is separate from the woman and requires protection. So if it is a life, then we now have an objective definition. Doesn't matter what the state of mind of the woman is, doesn't matter if she thought, you know what, I have a really tough life, my life will be better off if this baby is drowned, if I don't have to deal with this baby and so I'm going to drown the baby. The baby has an independent actual interest in living. And so the question becomes, is that true before birth? And I think for the vast majority of Americans are actually somewhere where you are practically meaning that the vast majority of Americans do see in sort of a soft way a distinction between the early stages of life, you know, month two and nine month. Right. Like the approval in America of abortion at the very late stages is very, very low because most Americans stops around.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Like four or five months for most people. Right.

[Ben Shapiro]

Well, I mean most abortions are performed in the, in the first trimester.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Ben Shapiro]

Yes, yes, but, but the point that I'm making is that the logic that you're using allows for abortion like literally right before the baby is born. So then the question becomes, why is that? Okay? And it's not a woman's choice at that point, whether that is a life or not, because you don't get to artificially or subjectively define the meaning of things.

[DJ Envy]

We're playing with semantics.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Ben Shapiro]

It's not semantic. Either it's a life or it's not a life. Right?

[DJ Envy]

Your daughter was raped.

[Lauren LaRosa]

No.

[DJ Envy]

It's almost like you're saying she's raped, but I'm gonna make her have this child.

[Ben Shapiro]

No, I'm.

[DJ Envy]

I mean, because you're saying you don't believe in abortion, even if rape and incest, right?

[Ben Shapiro]

Yeah. What I'm saying there is that I don't believe in abortion in case of rape and incest. The practical effect is horrif horrible. Okay? I'm not going to pretend that it is not emotionally horrifying that particular situation. The question is whether it has an independent interest in life or not, and whether there is a third party involved. If you don't believe there's a third party deserving of protection, I totally get it. I get it. But we should understand that that's the actual conversation. The actual conversation is about whether you believe.

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[Ben Shapiro]

What would you do if one bad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Ben Shapiro]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Ben Shapiro]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Ben Shapiro]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Ben Shapiro]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Ben Shapiro]

That this is an interested third party being. Do you get to kill that interested third party being? This human life with potential or do you not? If you. And so the actual argument that I don't like is the idea that you can. That everybody, it's up to every single person to define when life begins and when life does not begin. That. That actually is not true. Right. There's either a standard or there's not a standard. Now you can say that that life begins when the baby is independent of the mom. I think it's a very dicey biological argument, and I think most Americans agree with that, that life only begins when the baby exits.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think it begins with a heartbeat. Yeah.

[Ben Shapiro]

Okay. So I think that's where most Americans are, and that's extremely early. Right. And so if that, if that's extremely. If the life begins with the heartbeat, then you're now talking about, depending on your definition of a heartbeat, somewhere between six and 10 weeks, right? Very, very, very early. And so if that is now has an independent interest, you're talking about abortion restrictions very early on. And so that's why, you know, a lot of red states have signed heartbeat laws, for example. And so again, I think that the clarity is good, right? Because now we can have a conversation. Where do you think life begins? And that's a better conversation than the, the sort of assumption by, I think, people who are not pro life that pro life is just about controlling the woman's body. No, it. It isn't. Okay. It really is not like for pro lifers, it has, it has literally nothing to do with the woman's body. It has to do with the independent interest of the life inside by the woman and how you define that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But once you defined it, once you define it, depending on your definition, it does control what a woman can and can't do with her body.

[Ben Shapiro]

Well, they're downstream effects to definitions, of course. Right. I mean, if I define life as it begins at a heartbeat, then that is going to have public policy ramifications that affect, just as in anything else, if I define theft in a particular way, that's going to have downstream effects on people who commit that definition of the crime. And if I broaden the definition, it's going to include more people.

[Lauren LaRosa]

People.

[Ben Shapiro]

That's true for literally any legal term. It's true for, for any word that we use in life. As you expand the definition, it affects more people in different ways. But that doesn't change the necessity to have the conversation about what the definition is. And I think it's an easy way out to basically say, well, you know, I have a definition of life. But. And it gets into very Dicey territory. Because historically people have defined. Defined away entire populations as not human. And so we can't do that. Right. Like, you really don't want people looking at other people and saying, well, you know, I don't think that this person. I mean, to take them the obvious and most controversial example, for a huge percentage of American history, there was a wide variety of people in America who believe black people were not fully human in their compromise. Correct. And so, like, the. And so was that a subjective question? That was not a subjective question. Black people are fully human and just as human as white people. Equal the same. Right. Like, and so if somebody were to say, listen, I personally am anti slavery. I think that slavery is. Is personally wrong, but it's really up to every person to define for themselves whether a black person is fully human or not fully human. Like, what the.

[DJ Envy]

What.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I don't think you can.

[Ben Shapiro]

Why?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Just because I think, you know, if, If I'm making. So if you're a slave master, right, and you say, I believe slavery is right because black people aren't human. Like, that's a decision that you're making that is based on things like, you know, what the slaves can do for you and your property. Like, the, the benefit of what slavery will do for that slave master is so different than if a woman has to have a baby because she was raped and how that will affect her life like that. I think you have a decision that you can make a lot easier.

[DJ Envy]

It's almost like you force a woman twice.

[Ben Shapiro]

Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, do I become a slave master?

[DJ Envy]

She has this baby and now she's forced to have.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Try a Jewish analogy.

[DJ Envy]

Sure.

[Ben Shapiro]

So, I mean. I mean, sure. So if there was an entire population in Europe that was considered subhuman by the Nazis and they were exterminated. If you said, I am personally against the extermination of the Jews, but I understand why Germans could think that Jews are subhuman. And so, you know, it really is up to each, every individual to determine whether a Jew is human or not fully human and can be put in the back of a van and gassed, we'd be like, what are. What in the world? What in the world?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're saying there should be no pro. Choice.

[Ben Shapiro]

Yes. Definitions are not a matter of choice. Definitions are a matter of actual objective fact. Otherwise we can't even have a conversation. Because if words have meanings, then we all have to agree on at least that. Right. That much we have to agree on is the meaning of the words. And when it comes to you Know, sort of the slave master analogy. The point that I'm making here is, is not about the personal experience of the slave master. In fact, I'm saying it's completely irrelevant. What I'm saying is that the reason that, that slavery was wrong is because black people are fully independent human beings who require the protection of the law in the same way as everyone else. And if you're a pro lifer, you believe that's also true of the unborn.

[DJ Envy]

We're still kicking it with Ben Shapiro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Gentlemen, I'm a pro choice person, but I do wonder how come pro life people aren't anti war?

[Ben Shapiro]

Well, I mean, because I think everybody is anti war. I think the question is, is the definition of when war is appropriate? I don't think like who's running around going like war is awesome? Yes, more war, let's do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So 50,000 kids have been killed, killed.

[Ben Shapiro]

In Gaza because of this current depends on, on the definitions and the list that you're getting. Well, I mean, also depends on, on how you're defining kid because the way that Hamas defines kid is very different than how they define kid when it comes to recruiting for hamas. Right. They're 15 year olds with, with AKs on the battlefield, unfortunately out of the womb. It is not 50, 000 out of the womb. I mean if you're talking, if you're talking about very, very small children is much, much lower.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My point is there are children that are being killed.

[Ben Shapiro]

Yes. Who have died as collateral damage in the war. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So should, shouldn't pro lifer be totally against that?

[Ben Shapiro]

Well, I mean I'm against the death of any innocent human being. The question is when you're doing foreign policy, how you prevent more deaths in the future. And the point that I think Israel is making is this war was in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It'S it off legislation and it's actually not a matter of morals and values.

[Ben Shapiro]

No, of course, of course a matter of morals and values. But you can't be, let's put it this way, it's incredibly reductive to simply say that if you are a moral person, then you oppose all war because what that does, it allows immoral people to then use that against you to destroy civilization. If your community is attacked and bad people who don't have the same values as you decide to kill you kill your children, rape your wife and kill her. Are you supposed to say, well I'm anti war and so I'm going to sit here and do nothing?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So isn't that the same if somebody rapes a woman and impregnates them. Shouldn't in that case that person be allowed to make a choice?

[DJ Envy]

Well, no.

[Ben Shapiro]

The point is that the prevention. This is why you should minimize civilian casualties. To get back to the beginning of the conversation, this is why it's independently moral to try as much as possible to minimize civilian casualties. Casualties. And when it comes to abortion, the idea is you can minimize that casualty by just preventing it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Before you go, I do want to talk to you about one thing you said in your book. You said the Founding Fathers in America's Constitutional order.

[DJ Envy]

You, you, you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you said that they're the lions, right?

[Ben Shapiro]

Yeah, sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who built systems of freedom and opportunity. We talked about the Three Trips Compromise then. So everybody wasn't free when those things.

[Ben Shapiro]

Like the constitution were 100 and so to pretend that, that the systems were not deeply flawed and that we didn't have to fight a gigantic civil war that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans 80 years afterward would be obviously historically inaccurate. But the point is that the systems that they were designing provide the framework for that freedom. This is the argument that Frederick Douglass makes in his speech on July 4th, right? Is that July 4th isn't for black Americans, but it should be, right? It should be for black Americans. That's why that speech is so wonderful, is because what he's saying is that the promises the Founding Fathers made were not, not fulfilled. Which again is the same thing that MLK says, right? Is that he's not throwing out the systems. He's saying the system is good, but it's flawed. Let's fix the system. That is a lion thing. So you can say the Founding Fathers were lions. And also the people who are fighting what the Founding Fathers did with the Three Fifths Compromise were also lions. I mean, to be fair to some of the Founding Fathers, the reason for the Three Fifths compromise, that some of the Founding Fathers were very much pro slavery and many of the Founding Fathers, like for example, John Adams, were very much, much anti slavery. And the reason for the Three Fifths Compromise is because if there were no Three Fifths compromise in the Constitution, then actually the Southern slave holding states would have been overrepresented. Right? John Adams and others said if the Southern states are going to treat black people as not citizens, they shouldn't be. They shouldn't be citizens for purposes of apportionment or you're going to get overrepresented in Congress. That's the historical reason for the Three Fifths Compromise. But again, it is again good evidence that yes, slavery was accepted at the time, not just in America, obviously. Obviously everywhere was still legal in the British Empire. The United States abolishes Slavery in 1863 under the Emancipation Proclamation. But there are many countries that continue to hold slaves today. And so I think the story of America to pretend that it's not flawed is wrong. Also, I think that, again, as with any binary, it's too simplistic. There are lions who do scavenger like things. There are scavengers who do lion like things. I think we're all a combination of both those things. We should try to be as lion like as possible in our lives and in our politics. Politics. And we'll stumble and we'll fall and we'll fail and we'll fall into envy and we'll do terrible things to one another. But the more that we can act like lions as opposed to scavengers, the better we and the country will be.

[DJ Envy]

Lauren had a question.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, completely. I mean, maybe not completely different topic. But Candace Owens, she was here. When she said that you couldn't fire her from Daily Wire, you know, there.

[Mimi Brown]

Was a video circulating of him calling.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Me a disgrace and a faux professional.

[Ben Shapiro]

Or whatever it was.

[Mimi Brown]

I decided to choose Pete Peace.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And then when I chose peace, he.

[Ben Shapiro]

Responded to the piece with not.

[Mimi Brown]

Not peace.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fire you.

[Ben Shapiro]

Well, as I explained on Tucker Carlson's show, like, Ben doesn't have the power to fire me.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Like, that would happen here on the Breakfast Club. So. And I saw everything that happened after, and you guys said that you guys were going separate ways. She said she was finally free. Did she quit because you told her to quit?

[Ben Shapiro]

Really get into this? I mean, I said, like, for, for legal reasons. I will say that it's, you know, talking openly about this is kind of a problem. You know, I will say that Candace and I have obviously quite significant political disagreements. And as the founder of a company that, you know, is dedicated to certain propositions, we have many people who I would not hire, and I would not hire Candace Owens today.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What about free speech? And my boy, Andrew Schultz, he said that, you know, you. He said, if you're not about free speech when you fire Candace, then you are just a propaganda machine for any.

[Ben Shapiro]

Oh, with all respect to Andrew Schultz, that's a dumbass thing to say. And the reason that's a dumbass thing to say is because I've noticed that Candace is doing quite well for herself.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She is.

[Ben Shapiro]

Right. And, and so I've not called for her to be deplatformed. I've not called for her to be prosecuted. I am not under no obligation to pay people from my pocketbook who are espousing beliefs that I find antithetical to my own. You don't, you don't have to hire, you know, you don't have to hire Nick Fuentes or David Duke to come be a host at the Breakfast Club. That is not a violation of free speech age.

[DJ Envy]

It's true.

[Lauren LaRosa]

There's been. The word anti Semite has been thrown around Candace Owens a lot. Do you feel like she's anti Semitic?

[Ben Shapiro]

I will say that some of the things that she says would, to me certainly fall in that category. I try not to use that terminology. And the reason I try not to use that terminology is I don't think that it's useful. I think that the term has been emptied of sort of all of its content in the same way that Americans are now used to, I think, everyone being called racist. And so they stopped actually paying attention to racism in many ways, which is, I think, quite bad. I want to avoid doing the same thing here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what's the solution, Ben, when you talk about inequality and civic inclusion, what's the solution? We've talked about a lot. Are we just selling books? Are we just podcasts?

[Ben Shapiro]

I mean, so I think that the solution on a personal level is go to church, get married before you have babies, get a job, find the ways in your life that you can make your life personally better, engage with your community, find policies that you think are going to be best for your community and push for those things on the local level, predominantly. I think the other thing is that, you know, I don't want it to sound self serving, but I'm grateful to you for having the conversation with people on the other side of the aisle. I think that that is really important. I think it's going away and I think the only way for, therefore, what I call in the book, a pride of lions is for people who believe in personal responsibility and duty and basic American ideals to get together and hash all this stuff out. Because we do have more in common than we do with people who want to destroy the civilization. And I think that really needs to be strengthened in a pretty significant way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you have to actually listen to what person a person is saying and I get caught up in all the buzzwords. One of my favorite episodes of Bill Maher in recent times was when you was on there with my guy, Bakari Sellers.

[Ben Shapiro]

Yes. I thought that was Bakari's awesome. Yeah. I mean, again, I, I think Bakari is great and we Totally disagree on enormous number of things, but it's a productive conversation.

[DJ Envy]

All right, well, pick up the book right now. It's out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Lions and Scavengers, the true story of America and her critics. Ben Shapiro.

[DJ Envy]

That's right. Thank you for joining us this morning.

[Ben Shapiro]

And thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it.

[DJ Envy]

It's Ben Shapiro. It's the Breakfast Club. All right, well, let's get to the latest with Lauren. Lauren becoming a straight thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She gets him from somebody that knows somebody details.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She be having the latest on the be the Latest with Lauren LaRosa. Sometimes you have facts, sometimes you have details. Sometimes you have a little bit everything. Well, let's the latest on the Breakfast Club. Talk to me.

[Lauren LaRosa]

All right, so going to go back to the Young Thug interview really quickly because I want to. I do want to talk about kind of how they ended the interview, which was a moving forward conversation. So there's been a lot of conversation on Young Thug and him not releasing music and where is the music. And he actually got into why we haven't heard music from him. Let's take a listen to Young Thug getting emotional.

[DJ Envy]

You just played some hard ass.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why not got thinking about.

[DJ Envy]

Cause I just don't got my twin, bro. I don't got my friends, bro.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Who I be with every day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't got them no more, bro.

[DJ Envy]

I'm up, bro. And I ain't losing to a tragic or now I lost betrayal, bro. You signing that one piece of paper, signing your initial on this one piece of paper could get me a life sentence. Like what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on, bro.

[DJ Envy]

I get a life sent all this piece of paper you signed, bro. Just cause you trying to get home fast or you just trying to get to a. Are you just doing certain things, bro, Bro. And you already done betrayed before, bro. A piece of paper.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A piece of paper and all this, man.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Bro, we brought us.

[DJ Envy]

Ain't no in the world making me go again, bro.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And at this point in the interview, he's literally in tears as he's like, you know, he says that was the first time where it hit him that he was actually hurt. Hurt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The hardest thing for men to admit, just people in general, is that somebody hurt their feelings. And it's very hard for men to admit that. And he admitted it in that interview and he said he wants the conversation. He clearly just wants the conversation. He wants to hear from Gunna why Gunna did what he did. And I guarantee you if they had that conversation, even though he said in the interview, hell no, he wouldn't forgive him. I bet you he would forgive him.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And what? Because I think when I listen to this conversation, I feel like he's kind of already began forgiving Gunna for the conversation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's a point in the conversation where he straight up tells bank, hell no. Bank says, I know you want to forgive Gunn and hell no, I don't.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And he also says he doesn't want to talk to him. And then he says, I want to hear what he has to say. So he's going back and forth because obviously he still cares for him. And my point is, if you can get on some a platform and say you still care for this person, you've already started thinking through why they did what they did. And that's a part of moving toward forgiving somebody.

[DJ Envy]

I think it's two different sides. So I think it's what he feels and what he thinks he's supposed to feel. Right?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Because. Because what Gunner said was when he spoke to Banks, he says if he knew what we have. No, no. Well, Gunner Gunna spoke to Banks. He said that if he knew that it would affect him. Because he asked, would this affect Thug in any way? And they said no. But I, I think my personal opinion, if Gunna knew it would affect Thug like this, I don't think Gunna would have went that well. I don't think Gunna would have did it because Gunna thought Gun. I don't think he did it on purpose to hurt him. I think he was just saying, look, this is what I'm saying. I'm not pointing no fingers. I'm not saying nobody did anything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's what bank said. That's what 21 said. They all said, I don't feel like he did this to hurt you.

[DJ Envy]

He was. I think he was wrong, but I don't think his intention was to hurt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't even know if he was wrong. I have no idea. Deal. Okay. I just know that, you know, I can understand where Thug is coming from.

[DJ Envy]

But when he called the label a gang and they're trying to say it's not a gang, that's hurtful.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. All I'm saying is the hardest thing for men to say is, hey, man, you hurt my feelings. And they can all have a conversation about it because Thug seem very. I hate calling that man Thug.

[DJ Envy]

That's his name. That's his rap name. His rap name.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The hardest thing for men to do is to. Is to say, hey, you Hurt my feelings. And he just felt a sense of betrayal.

[Mimi Brown]

And they.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And they should just have the conversation because he's very forgiving for everybody else.

[DJ Envy]

He is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He seems to understand why everybody else did what they did, even the people.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We think did wrong like that.

[DJ Envy]

Because he's saying Thug started off, but if the tables were turned and I'm in jail and I'm locked up, and I'm trying to say that my record label is not a gang and my artist, my second in command, somebody I help says goes against basically what I'm saying. It says it is. I would feel away too.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, in this conversation, you guys are talking about them possibly moving on and sitting down and having a conversation. Big bank did a really good job of. Of trying to direct the conversation of where Thug needs to be now. So let's listen to Young Thug on in bank on how we move on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How do we stop giving a. About what goes on in the real street? Talk to some people. We talking about is ignorance.

[DJ Envy]

To some people. Yeah, to some people. But not where we from.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We trying to uphold.

[DJ Envy]

Ain't even about upholding. It's about manhood, bro.

[Ben Shapiro]

We men.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If Elon Musk a young girl is.

[DJ Envy]

You going to look at it like, man, that got down billions of dollars, but he didn't mind a whole nother place. No, right is right, wrong is right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wrong.

[DJ Envy]

I don't give what you made, but.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Y' all leading the game like you one of the biggest in the game, bro. You gotta kind of set a precedent for the young. That what we know, bro.

[DJ Envy]

This all you talking about come from trauma, you just said.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I said you just a kid, didn't know nothing till your brother got killed.

[DJ Envy]

You up in front of your face like, damn, then.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Then murder came to your mind.

[DJ Envy]

I don't care to talk about. Cause we just move forward. I'm happy. I'm running around living my life well, I think I'm happy. I'm doing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got everything you want, but you ain't happy, bro.

[DJ Envy]

Like you passionate about this you talking about, bro, I'm out the game. No scrape, no scars, but I ain't. I'm still bank, but I'm something else.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, that. That Elon Musk analogy that he used didn't make any sense, even though I understood it. Because the reality is there is no honor amongst the streets. There is no morals in the streets with the Elon Musk. And what Elon Musk does is legitimate as far as his business. So if he goes and messes with A little girl, that's actually immoral. But what he does for full time isn't a lease. Illegal. The streets are all illegal. It's all foul. It's all messed up. So when a person, you know, golden snitches or whatever, there's no honor amongst the streets.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's not how you're living your life.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't care. Just because you think it's right doesn't mean it is.

[DJ Envy]

It's supposed to be a code. When you're in the streets, right, when you play the street games, you play with street rules. That's the thing. You're not from the street, so you don't look at it the way other people do. I agree.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can't compare that to what Elon Musk does. Elon Musk makes that analogy.

[DJ Envy]

But the way that they rock in the streets is a certain way that a code, quote unquote, that they live by. I don't live by that code. I am not a criminal. I've never sold crack. I never wanted to. But if they are in those streets and they do those things, the street way, they, they. He looks at a certain moral, a certain code. And if you break that, they look at each other differently.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You heard the scorpion and the frog story, right?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

With a frog. The scorpion asked the frog for a ride across the lake or the river or whatever the hell it was. The frog said, okay, cool. The scorpion got on his back and didn't want. They were halfway across the water. The scorpion sung.

[DJ Envy]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And Frosty. Why'd you do that? He said, I'm a scorpion.

[Ben Shapiro]

I'm scorp.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, the hell you expect from the streets people?

[Lauren LaRosa]

See, but this is right, this is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cut it out.

[DJ Envy]

But you're looking for somebody that's not in the streets.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What I want to say is street.

[DJ Envy]

People look at street things differently. There's a moral, there's a code, there's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Certain rules that they abide by to.

[DJ Envy]

Basically you won't understand, which you won't understand, which I'll never understand.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bank said that we look at it and we listen to that interview and some of this stuff sound ignorant. No, it sounds retarded. Okay, all right. That's how it sounds.

[DJ Envy]

Sounds stupid.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay, well, I'm glad that the Aiden Raw stream that thug was going to do was canceled. I think that he should take a break and, and just sit in. What is happening with the conversation he just had.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That would have been a pointless to the music. That would have been a pointless conversation. Banks and. And that was great. Had the perfect conversation. There is nobody that could have done that interview better than Banks.

[DJ Envy]

But you can't do that interview and say you want to move on and things want to change. And then you did the interview. A couple days after the interview you put Gunnar rat, Yaga rat, Woody a rat.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That a rat.

[DJ Envy]

That a rat. Because they said that was that. They dropped that. They did the interview first.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, I mean, but I feel like his thought process after the interview, the song had to be done. They were done around the same time. So you gotta get.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They taped this interview last week.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, last week.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, but I thought you said that they were supposed to drop the song with the interview.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I thought they did.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, they did. But Envy is saying he did the song after they.

[DJ Envy]

No, but basically I'm saying he taped it last week and if he wanted it over last week, he wouldn't put that song out. It's probably the back. It was probably the backlash and him hearing himself. What made him say, you know what, I'm done with this. And all the calls that's been released, released and about all that, you know, I mean that's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I thought it was a phenomenal. I hope that this is the beginning of a healing journey for. For Jeffrey.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. Putting a button on it. I do as well. Next hour we are going to have some conversations about, you know, some. Some men and some women who have been able to move away from some things and now are being honored because the 2025 NBA hall of Fame went down over the weekend.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And we are going to get into all of that good stuff next hour.

[DJ Envy]

All right, Charlemagne, who you giving that don't come?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, I don't want a king Shame, but there's a man named El Mony Cersei. He needs to come to the front of the congregation. He has a fetish for feet which Envy can relate to cuz Envy once had a only fans page just for his feet.

[Lauren LaRosa]

They told me tell you put it back live. I told you that.

[Mimi Brown]

Right.

[DJ Envy]

They was tweeting me telling have one but good to continue on. We'll get to it. Next, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Make sure you tell them to watch out for Florida, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The craziest people in America come from the Bronx and all of Florida. Yes, you are a donkey.

[Mimi Brown]

A Florida man attacked an ATM for a very strange reason. It gave him too much money. Florida man is arrested after deputies say he rigged the door to his home.

[Lauren LaRosa]

In an attempt to electrocute his pregnant wife. Police arrested an Orlando, man, for attacking.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A flamingo with the Breakfast Club. Donkey of the day with Charlemagne, the guy. I don't know why y' all keep letting him get y' all like this. It's not me, Duvall. It's Florida. Okay, Donkey, today for Monday, September 8th, goes to a 28 year old man named Almonte Cersei. Now, Almansi is from Florida, ladies and gentlemen. And what does your Uncle Charlotte always say about the great state of Florida? Say it with me. The craziest people in America come from the Bronx and all of Florida. And today is no exception. Now, I am a proud member of the Whore Hive. Drop on the clues bombs for the whole hive. Okay, Salute to decisions, decisions. Mandy and Weezy, make sure you pick up their New York Times best selling book, no holds barred. Available everywhere. You buy books now because of that. Them I have learned over the years from them. Not the kink, Shane. Okay, we all have kinks. We all have things we enjoy that turn us on sexually. So I strive not to king shame. I mean, every now and then you hear stories like Diddy rubbing another man's creamy Coco Loso on his nipples. And you judge. But then there are stories like today, El Monte Cersei and his love of feet. See, El Monsi loves feet. He loves feet so much that on a first date, his very first date date, he asked his date to let him sniff her feet in used sneakers. How would you feel about that, Lauren LaRosa, if a man asked you on your first date, can I sniff your feet?

[Lauren LaRosa]

He'd be creep.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're creep. Am I king shaming for foot fetishes? No. Even though some people have a foot fetish so bad that they think the movie Happy Feet is a hardcore porno. Okay, men with foot fetishes really take the phrase I worship the ground you walk on seriously, because they will literally lick the sidewalk. They will lick a floor if some bare feet just walked across it. I know it sounds disgusting, but it's true. And if you think I'm playing about the extremes people like El Monte will go through to sniff some feet or more. So what will happen if he is denied access to said feet? Then let's go to Local 10 News for the report, please.

[DJ Envy]

Strange, bizarre, and certainly something didn't smell right here. This guy asked to smell your feet?

[Mimi Brown]

Yes, he did.

[DJ Envy]

What did he say?

[Mimi Brown]

Well, initially we had met up because I was going to sell him my sneakers.

[DJ Envy]

She knew something didn't smell right when she met this guy, Almansi Cercal. At an Aventura hotel.

[Mimi Brown]

When I got there, he just wanted to sniff my feet, and I didn't feel comfortable with that.

[DJ Envy]

I have to stop you there. What do you say when someone. Someone says, I want to sniff your feet?

[Ben Shapiro]

No.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Mimi Brown]

I mean, you could have my sneakers all you want. I mean, I don't care. I'm not wearing them. And, you know, they're just stinky old sneakers. But people like weird things.

[DJ Envy]

She says the suspect runs out of the room, she thinks, with her sneakers.

[Mimi Brown]

I ran after him, and I met him down in the parking garage.

[DJ Envy]

Says he ran her over with his car. He ran you over?

[Mimi Brown]

He ran me over. And by the grace of God, I'm still standing today.

[DJ Envy]

This is crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This man ran over a woman with his SUV on their first date after she refused to let him sniff her feet and use sneakers. As soon as he met the victim, he immediately asked to smell her feet and purchase her used sneakers. Now, the victim said when she got there, he just wanted to sniff feet. Okay? And she didn't feel comfortable. Comfortable with that. You think? All right. Then she told him, I will sell you my used shoes for a thousand dollars. Now, this wasn't in the news report, but mind you, she is a foot model, okay? Her and Envy have something in common. And be. Were a foot model. At one point, you had an only fans with your feet. Yes, you did.

[DJ Envy]

I didn't run that or control it or put that up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sure. Slash salute to bins. So that high price. So that high price is her going rate. Okay? So she charges a thousand dollars for that. So she's not really. Really. He's not really wrong for wanting to sniff her feet or see her feet because she clearly leads feet first. But what I don't understand is if you can't afford to pay or she doesn't want to give you a free sniff, why you got to get in your SUV and run her over? Am I missing something here? I really would like to know, what is it about toes that would make a man act like this? And how do you feel about feet that don't work? For example, a woman in a wheelchair, paraplegic toes don't work, but they look amazing. I don't. I don't know. Some donkey of the days just sell themselves. I don't know why I thought that. Please give El Monte Cersei the biggest he haw you never thought about that? I don't know what I was thinking about that this morning when I was thinking about this story. I'm like, why do they feel about feet that don't work?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, they probably like. I mean, they don't get.

[DJ Envy]

They gotta get sweet, right? Do they get sweaty?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Why would they get sweaty?

[DJ Envy]

What you mean why?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, what is it about the foot still get hot? The toes that make somebody act like this?

[DJ Envy]

Sneakers. It's hot outside.

[Lauren LaRosa]

This is crazy.

[DJ Envy]

I don't know. Why am I thinking about this on a Monday?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And why would he run her over just because he couldn't get a sniff of the.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Feed the male ego.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is true. That is true. True.

[DJ Envy]

But runner over, he was white, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[DJ Envy]

Let's play a game then.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right, let's play a game. All right. Well, I eliminated one of the categories. I don't want to play this game.

[DJ Envy]

Y' all want to play?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Leave me alone.

[DJ Envy]

I want to play.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[DJ Envy]

Can you please. Oh, shut up. Latino?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[DJ Envy]

Asian?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Black.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, let's play a game of guess what.

[DJ Envy]

Racist.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Gosh, won't y' all grow up? El Monte. Sergeant Percy, 28 years old from Florida, ran over a woman because the woman wouldn't let El Monte sniff her feet. Guess what racy is. DJ envy.

[DJ Envy]

I was thinking white. I was going white. But you said no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I said no to everything for the most part.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, I think I know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

I'm not saying black.

[Lauren LaRosa]

No.

[DJ Envy]

What?

[Lauren LaRosa]

He's brown. Is he? He's not black. His brown.

[DJ Envy]

You say an Indian?

[Mimi Brown]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

We don't have a.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What the hell was that? Yeah, what the hell?

[DJ Envy]

We don't have a sound effect for that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Is that kind of ish?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I told y' all I didn't want to play.

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Mimi Brown]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[DJ Envy]

Like, am I ready to be in a relationship?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time?

[DJ Envy]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Ben Shapiro]

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[Mimi Brown]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Ben Shapiro]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Mimi Brown]

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[DJ Envy]

I had this like overwhelming sensation that.

[Ben Shapiro]

I had to call a right then.

[DJ Envy]

And I just hit call, said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick. I'm the CEO of One Tribe foundation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I just wanted to go on.

[Ben Shapiro]

And let her know there's a lot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Of people battling some of the very.

[DJ Envy]

Same things you're battling. And there is help out there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The good stuff.

[DJ Envy]

Podcast season two takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a nonprofit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join hosts Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I was married to to a combat army veteran and he actually took his.

[Ben Shapiro]

Own life to suicide.

[Lauren LaRosa]

One Tribe saved my life twice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's A lot of love that flows through this place, and it's sincere.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Now it's a personal mission.

[Ben Shapiro]

Don't want to have to go to any more funerals.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, I got blown up on a react mission.

[DJ Envy]

I ended up having amputation below the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head.

[Mimi Brown]

Welcome to season two of the good stuff.

[DJ Envy]

Listen to the good stuff podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This game, y' all just want to know what he is. Yes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Whatever this is. Okay. He's black.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Why did you say no?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't say no. Y' all never said black.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I said black.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You did.

[DJ Envy]

Did you said brown?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. You said no?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I said black before we started the Guess what. It's okay. Don't worry about it. I'm used to it. You don't even hear me.

[DJ Envy]

All right.

[Ben Shapiro]

What?

[DJ Envy]

Thank you for that, dog.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What?

[DJ Envy]

All right. I'm not messing.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Get your friend.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you for that donkey of the day. Now let's open up the phone lines. 800-585-1051. I know y' all might be young thugged out, but I want to just open up the phone lines, have a conversation. Right when someone is in the streets, meaning y' all are doing criminal activities. Y' all doing criminal activities together. You know you're doing criminal activities. Should there be a code of the streets when you're doing criminal activity?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't want to talk to none of y'. All.

[DJ Envy]

800-585-10.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Tell me y' all in the street. I'm calling the police.

[DJ Envy]

If you're industries, should you follow street rules, meaning you don't. You get caught, y' all are doing criminal activity. And y' all know y' all doing criminal activity. You get caught, your man dope.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Should you be another. There's got to be something else.

[DJ Envy]

This is one of the biggest things.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why can't we have the of kind conversation about, you know, how men don't know how to communicate when their feelings are hurt? How come we can't have the conversation about how the hardest thing for a man to do is just say, hey, you hurt my feelings?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I think two things can be true.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because I feel like I don't care nothing about this.

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, no, no. Not that you care, but I'm just saying I feel like the battle that envy is referring to, where it's like, do I still live by this code? And what you're referring to is men Feel like they can't open up and just release what they've been through. So let's meet in the middle here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You've said it in the interview with Banks numerous times. Times he said he didn't even realize until he just started having this conversation. He said people have told him straight up, you just, your feelings are just hurt.

[DJ Envy]

His feelings were hurt because he lived by a code and this man did not live by the same code.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sucks because there's no honor amongst Steve. There's no honor amongst criminals.

[DJ Envy]

It does. But it's easy for you, it's easy for me, it's easy for Lauren to say, but if somebody's running an activity that might not be legal, there's certain codes that they live by.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Was there a code to something when there's only three ways that people end up in those situations. Jail dead are labeled a rat and.

[DJ Envy]

A lot of these. And a lot of these people live by that code because that's the way that they are.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it's not. The, the industry stinks. Y' all need a union. I mean the whole thing is need a union.

[DJ Envy]

Selling drugs stink. You know, I mean doing a lot of stuff that people do that people idolize stink. But let's discuss, if you're just joining us, this conversation comes out of Young Thug's interview with Big Banks and everything that's going out with, going on with Young Thug. And the question is 800-585-1051 if you're in the streets, should you follow a street code? Let's listen to just some of the things that Thug was saying during that interview. So you've been reflecting. Hell yeah. And that's what, that's another thing I don't even want to do. That's why I don't even respect the phone call coming out. Cause all it do is make me think about when I was in jail, going through fighting for my life.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Life.

[DJ Envy]

All they do is make my girl think about those long ass conversations on the phone. On the phone we praying and we doing and hoping that I can get away from it and come out of it. Just like a fun, fun moment in the memes on the Internet and trying to just like torn my existence but not knowing like, but it's traumatizing the hell. This damn. Make me remember when I was in jail. Make me remember those dark ass days and moments I had bro. Make my girl cry. She ain't even tripping about what we saying on the phone. He said, whatever I say, I say twice. I'm a grown man, so I ain't tripping on that part. I'm tripping on just like the world not knowing it. 800-585-105. When I ask you, Lauren, what are your thoughts on it?

[Lauren LaRosa]

What was the question again?

[DJ Envy]

Okay, never mind.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I just don't wanna. I just. I really feel like Doug should be at the point where this is not his conversation. He is super rich, super famous, and what age do you tap out of all that? Even if that's how you were brought.

[DJ Envy]

Up, that's a different conversation. Right. Because once you're out the streets, you should. You should be out the streets.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[DJ Envy]

But I do feel like there has to be some type of moral. And I know it's moral and code, which is you're saying they're thieves, so it shouldn't be. They're doing things against.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You want them to have a moral code for immoral actions.

[DJ Envy]

There was always a moral code when people did street things. If you look back at the mobsters, the mobsters had a street code. There were certain laws and things that the illegal life stood by.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Do you believe that kids and women should be off limits? Because that's been. That's a street code too.

[DJ Envy]

Yes, yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But nobody abides by that. Like there. Yeah, there is no real code. The code is lip service. It's something people say that sounds good, but they don't actually live by. None of them do.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But the point is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And never have.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But the point is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And by the way, if that's such a code, where's the reward for those that keep it real? Where's the reward for those who don't snitch, who don't tell, who do everything right. I don't see no reward for them. Ain't no. He don't build no statues and no street.

[DJ Envy]

No, no, it's never. But you don't. Because it's illegal activity. Right. But there was a. Well, there was more of a moral and more of a code.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[DJ Envy]

When I was growing up in New York, there was a moral and code. Gangsters mess with gangsters. They fought other people. If there was a problem in the club, they would tell people, hey, I need y' all to get out of there. They would not mess with. With kids and. And wives and mothers. There was a certain code that people stood by. You did not snitch because you did the illegal activity. And if you did, you look down upon what's happened in Atlanta is crazy because all those individuals decided to do illegal activity.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Some of the biggest Rats in the world have come from New York. Okay? And once again. Once again, when I say. I'll say this one more time, there's rats everywhere. There is no moral code for immoral activity, okay? Like, it's just not like. Like, we can. We can. We can lie to each other and act like it is. But that's only. I said, that's a contradiction. I mean, it is a moral code for illegal activity. No, you're right. But.

[DJ Envy]

But there was always a thing like, if me and you do something against the law and I get caught. If I pointed at you and you hadn't, and you weren't getting caught, they didn't even know who you were, you would look down upon. That was just what it was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm with you and me. All that stuff sounds good, does. But that has not been the case. You end up in jail, dead or labeled a rat. And I don't even know why we're having this conversation. I'm 47 years old. I don't care.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Y' all heard what Doug said when Big Banks said he was 47? He was like, damn, 47.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I'm saying.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I was like, so are they.

[DJ Envy]

Hello? Who's this?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Hey, this is Tentacles from North New Jersey.

[DJ Envy]

Tenacles, not New Jersey.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We'll see you, Tenacles. How are you?

[DJ Envy]

What's up, mama?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm doing well.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's so good to be on a Breakfast Club. I love you guys.

[DJ Envy]

What's your thoughts?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Listen, I feel like, what's the point of becoming a millionaire? To live by street code like you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We.

[Lauren LaRosa]

They become rappers and artists to get away from that life, and then they want to still live and die by the same code. So it doesn't make sense. We watching people because we like them as entertainers and as artists. We don't care about no street code. We civilians.

[DJ Envy]

We just want to see them rap.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Make good music, laugh, and that's it.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, you're right. But the sad thing is, a lot of times we idolize these people because who they think we think they are, right? You look at these kids, idolize some of these rappers because these rappers appear to be gangster, they appear to be street, they appear to be hooded hood, and these kids idolize that type of thing. You see it all the time with drill music, shy town music, all. Like, these kids idolize a lot of these people, which is a sad thing, but. No, I agree. I agree.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But it's like, after a certain point, you got to leave that life behind you.

[DJ Envy]

You're right.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You know, he's not a new rapper. He didn't just drop like Doug been out.

[DJ Envy]

He been rich since 2014. You're right. Hello?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's this? Hey, Ms. Chris. How to bust with a name, Chris?

[DJ Envy]

What up? Take us off of Bluetooth, please. A speaker.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got you.

[DJ Envy]

How old are you, Chris?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

34.

[DJ Envy]

34. Okay, talk to us about street code. What's your thoughts? You live by the code you got.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

By the code you got, you got. If y' all folks doing something illegal, then I should set a rule. Like, you know, we go down, we go down together. If not, you shouldn't be doing nothing legal at all.

[DJ Envy]

Okay, thank you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey, I don't care. Yeah, discretes is some bs. Y' all need to go learn a trade, okay? Go learn how to do some H vac. Okay? Some, some, some electric. Be an electrician, a welder.

[DJ Envy]

No, I, I, I totally agree. And, and I hate to see when, when, when people are, are, are hustling at all, and especially when they hustling in, in their older age. Because like you said, there's only a couple of ways to get out of it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jail. Jail, or you end up labeled a rat. In my 47 years of existence, I haven't seen no, no other, no other option. And when, when people do hold it down, especially in black community, Black community don't get no rewards for keeping it real, okay? None whatsoever. Y' all don't even get a party when y' all come home most of the time.

[DJ Envy]

Hello, who's this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This Timmy Stillwater. Shimmy still water. How are you, sir?

[DJ Envy]

Talk to us.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's going on, bro? Yeah, man, I'm listening to y' all station every morning, man. Thank you, sir. We appreciate that, man. So, you know, when it comes to the street, bro, like, literally, you know, already been to prison and stuff, and.

[DJ Envy]

I did time for guys and I.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kept my mouth shut, literally. And I'm out.

[DJ Envy]

I've been free for years, but still.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. What was the reward for you keeping it real? And, and, you know, keeping your mouth shut.

[DJ Envy]

Keeping it real.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm still alive. Oh, okay. They didn't. There's no, you don't get no pension. There's no pension for keeping it real. Like, nothing? No, nothing? Nah, man, it depends, man. Cause like I say, man, I mean.

[DJ Envy]

It'S like mafia, you know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, if you doing things out.

[DJ Envy]

Here and people know your family and.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Stuff like that, and you doing crazy.

[DJ Envy]

Stuff, bro, like, that stuff could venture.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Off into, you Know, off on your family. Those mafia guys take care of theirs, though. Like when a person, you know, keeps their mouth closed and goes and does daytime, they know that their mama straight. They know that their family's great. You know.

[DJ Envy]

Now you're absolutely right. If you're just joining us, we open up the phone lines. 800-585-1051. Now, this conversation comes from the young thug situation. And he, you know, recently did an interview with Banks. Amazing interview, by the way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Very.

[DJ Envy]

And we're asking 800-585-1051. We're talking street code. If you are doing illegal activity, is there a code. Is there a code in the streets?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We do know where the. The term there is no honor amongst thieves. We know where that proverb comes from. Right. Is when people are engaged in dishonest, immoral activities like drug dealing, like stealing, murder, whatever it is, and they point.

[DJ Envy]

At you to save their own ass.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right. They're. They're. They're already. They're already untrustworthy. And you will betray each other due to your own self interest, greed, or desire for power. So I don't understand why you have a moral code for immoral activities.

[DJ Envy]

We have Carla on the line. Carla, come on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Morning.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Good morning, everybody.

[DJ Envy]

Good morning. Carla, talk to us. What's your thoughts? Listen, about street code. Ain't no street code with stupid people. My daddy always said the way not.

[Lauren LaRosa]

To get caught is to do it by yourself.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because it's always going to be one.

[DJ Envy]

Or two stupid people talking about something.

[Lauren LaRosa]

They did and everybody gonna get caught. So you got to think about who.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You'Re doing it with, first of all.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Because I'm not taking the blame for nobody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nobody. I get it.

[DJ Envy]

You're right. Thank you, Mama. Hello? Who's this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's Dom.

[DJ Envy]

Dom, what's up? Talk to us.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So my thing is, right, how do you expect somebody that lives their life breaking the law to follow some rules?

[Ben Shapiro]

Now?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's that. It's that simple. It don't make no sense. All right? They're a criminal. That's it.

[DJ Envy]

Right, but it don't make sense to you. It don't make sense to me. It don't make sense to people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It don't make sense, period.

[DJ Envy]

Committing crimes. But for people that commit crimes and do illegal activity, they have a different way of looking at it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, they don't.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you, Don.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They think they do, but the reality is, when you look at all the different examples we have, it is what it is like. There is no honor Amongst thieves, there cannot be a moral code for immoral activity.

[DJ Envy]

Crystal, good morning.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Good morning.

[DJ Envy]

Talk to us, Crystal, what's your thoughts?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I think that as a black woman, black men need a new code. I love what Charlamagne is saying. As black men, I love how we are having these conversations because we need.

[Mimi Brown]

To start healing our communities.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And in order to heal our communities, we need to heal our families. In order to put together our families, we need to heal the black man. And we have the streets in our DNA, you know, so now we're starting to evolve. I feel like as a race, consciously, that's why we have so much mental stress. Because I feel like melanated people hold the key to humanity in our.

[Mimi Brown]

So I love it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Let's keep talking. Let's keep talking real because a lot of people have bad advice. So when you have these podcasts, let's keep it 100 and let's keep having these conversations. So that's how I feel. And just, just to say I'm a screenwriter. I wrote my own TV series about the mental health of black people. Charlemagne. I've been wanting to talk to you so long about it. But yeah, so that's my answer.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You should come up, you should come to Newark on October 11th for my 5th annual Mental Wealth Expo from 11am to 4pm It's a free event. You know, I want everybody to get these, get these services and these resources for free and this information for free. So it's going to be October 11th from 11am to 4pm at the New Jersey Institute of Technology, the Joel and Diane Bloom Wellness and Event center in Newark, New Jersey.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, I'm definitely going to come.

[Mimi Brown]

I'm going to get a babysitter and.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Come because I feel like it's very important for me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, it's a free event, man. Everybody is welcome from 11am to 4pm and, and that's the biggest takeaway from banks and thugs interview that I want people to get. Banks is the only person who could have had that convo. Banks, God preordained you for a time like this. He's the only person that could have had that convo because number one, he's from Atlanta. He speaks the language, he's from the streets. But he's done the work on himself. He's done the work on himself. That's why there was a level of, of empathy as well as accountability in that interview that he was having with Thug man when he told Thug, like, you didn't humble yourself, man. I know you was in there Praying. But you didn't come home humble. You ain't learned nothing while you was in there. He was like, you know what? What does healing look like for you, brother? I'm listening to you and you hurt, man. That was a very powerful conversation, man, for that reason. So that's the biggest takeaway. I want folks to realize from that, that Banks and thug interview healing is possible. And I hope that thug, you know, really gets on his healing journey and let some of that hurt go.

[DJ Envy]

That's right. All right, well, we got the latest for Lauren coming up. What we talking about?

[Lauren LaRosa]

We do. We are going to get into the VMAs. Summer Walker got a new bay. The NBA hall of Fame 2025 hall of Fame hall of Fame ceremony as well. We'll talk about.

[DJ Envy]

All right, we'll get to that. Next. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Let's get to the latest with Lauren. Lauren becoming a straight face. She gets him from somebody that knows somebody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She gets the details.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the home girl that knows a little bit about everything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She be having the latest on the Latest with Lauren LaRosa. Sometimes you have facts, sometimes you have details. Sometimes you have a little bit of everything. Closet. The latest, the breakfast club.

[Lauren LaRosa]

The 2025 NBA hall of Fame ceremony went down over the weekend. And you know, this is being called one of the most decorated classes in the basketball hall of Fame history. So they honored or inducted Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard, Sue Bird, Maya Moore, Sylvia Fowles, Billy Donniken, who is the Chicago. Former Chicago Bills coach Danny Crawford, former NBA Raider ref Mickey Arison, who is a our Miami Heat managing general partner. And then they also honored the 2008 U.S. olympic basketball team. So there were a bunch of speeches that went down, of course. Now one of the speeches. Let's start with Dwight Howard. Shaq was also on the stage when Dwight Howard gave his speech. So it was good to see them two together. Let's take a listen to Dwight Howard.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Stan Van Gundy. I don't know if you hear.

[DJ Envy]

Is it here?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There you go. Oh, man, that's. I know I gotta do it later, but. Hey, Stan, I just want to say because of you, I am in the hall of Fame. And as I said before, there is no Dwight Howard without Stan. Dan Gundy, you taught me what it means to stay ready. I still remember in the playoffs, you had us doing plays for guys that never even got in the game. And I remember you saying, listen, you never know.

[DJ Envy]

You never know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, listen. But you was right, Stan. In basketball and in life, you gotta stay ready.

[DJ Envy]

Y' all look crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right, that's the last one. Stand up. There is something about NBA hall of Fame ceremonies that are just better than every other sports league. Like, I love watching the NBA hall of Fame speeches.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Is it because. Well, never mind.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I was gonna say because I feel like the NBA players are, like, bigger celebrities and you about their journeys are bigger and echoed more.

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I can see that. Like, maybe it's the emotional investment we have in the NBA because, like you said, like, you know, we usually see these guys in high school and we see them in college and we see them in the NBA, and we. You know, you're talking about 13, 14, 15 years of just watching different people try to overcome, you know, different struggles in the league. Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah. Well, when you're talking about overcoming struggles, Carmelo Anthony gave a very emotional speech, Very incredible speech. Let's take a listen to Carmelo and Anthony.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

To every father, you are more than your mistakes. You are more than what this world has to reduce you to. Being present, being real, being vulnerable.

[DJ Envy]

That's strength.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Raising children in this world is revolutionary. I didn't just want to be a basketball player.

[DJ Envy]

I wanted to be a model of redemption, of accountability, of love. My kids saved me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They gave me a reason to move past ego, past noise, past criticism. They reminded me that legacy isn't what you leave behind.

[DJ Envy]

It's what you lift up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

To Mama, love. To my mother, Mary Anthony, you taught.

[DJ Envy]

Me that love is action, that sacrifice is quiet, that faith is louder than fear.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My mother was the first one to show me what sacrifice looks like. No spotlight, no praise, just love in its purest form. You're the reason I'm standing here, Ma. The sacrifices you made, the tears you.

[DJ Envy]

Held back, the strength you showed. I felt it every time I laced on my sneakers. You are my hero, Estelle.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Carmelo Anthony's speech was incredible. Drop on the clues. Bombs for Carmelo Anthony.

[Ben Shapiro]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was the thing I liked about Carmelo's speech especially. He talked about everyone along his way, who shaped him as a person, who shaped him as a player. He even spoke on his, you know, father, who passed away when he was 2. Everybody who helped him along his journey, who inspired item. I was waiting. I was waiting for him to speak on Lala, though he didn't. He didn't mention Lala.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He didn't say her name specifically. But he did say to. He mentioned the mother.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Women in his life.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Women in his life and mother of a kid. Mother of his kids and the aunt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't say mother of kids.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, he said to the mothers of the kids, like, basically the women who have to come in and, like, help raise the kids while you're doing your thing is what I got from it. But he did not say her name specifically, and she was not there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, I know she's filming her group chat show, though.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah. But I will say, and maybe this is me in a pop.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, she wasn't there.

[Lauren LaRosa]

This is me in a pop culture. Since I thought she would be there, even though I know that, you know, they've gone through their, like, divorce or whatever.

[DJ Envy]

But she always supported him.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, she was a huge force. Career. I've tuned into him via her, and, you know, she was always on the sidelines and bringing Kanye into the games and all that. So I thought I was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's why I had to watch the speech twice. I thought I was like, well, damn, maybe I missed it because I just expected him to say, I'll get the.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Exact words for you. But he did mention it.

[DJ Envy]

But he spoke about, you know, the Knicks as well, which was surprising because the Knicks did him dirty. Yeah, but he did talk about the Knicks and him playing for dirty. I think they did. Oh, his last couple of years. I thought they. They did mellow. Dirty didn't put mellow where he should be, in my opinion.

[Lauren LaRosa]

All right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What do you mean? I'm real.

[DJ Envy]

What? Yeah, they did have bad teams, but everything was on mellow. The reason they lost. They blamed it on mellow. Everything was blamed on mellow. When he was in New York, you meaning that they.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, so he didn't surround him with the right players.

[DJ Envy]

Correct.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, okay.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah. Well, real quick. I wanted to get to the VMAs, so that was amazing as well. But also here, here in New York yesterday, the VMAs went down and there were some legends honored. Mariah Carey received the Michael Jackson Vanguard Award. Busta Rhymes. And that was her first vma, which I thought was crazy.

[DJ Envy]

Who's that?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Mariah Carey? Yes. She received a vma. Busta Rhymes received the first ever Rock the Bells Visionary Award. And he said it took them 35 years for him to get a trophy, which I also thought was crazy as.

[DJ Envy]

Well, especially for his videos and what he's done. Videos. Revolutionized videos. Absolutely.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. But I just wanted to show them some love. I don't know if we have time to play any speeches.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Let's take a listen to Busta Rhymes.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, thank you for being my hero. One of my greatest inspirations. The reason I wrote my first round. LL Cool J. I know I usually do these long speeches. I'm not gonna do one today, but next time. Y' all take 35 years to give me one of these, they're gonna let me talk as long as I want. But let me get straight to. To it. Sierra, I love you. Yo Gotti.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Salute. Mona Scott Young.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you for being the mother of my career. I want to thank my mother.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to thank my father.

[DJ Envy]

Rest in peace, dad. All praises due to the most high. God is the greatest. I want to thank my beautiful children. I want to thank DJ Scratch. And I think we all need to acknowledge the incredible woman that loved us very much when we came to mtv.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She loved the culture. She lifted us up.

[DJ Envy]

The late, great Ananda Lewis. I want to big up her mother, her father, her. Her sister Lakshmi. I want to big up Marvette Brito. Thank y' all so much, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Dropping the clues bombs for Buster.

[DJ Envy]

Salute to Buster. Did they do anything for Ananda at all?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Not. No, they did not. That was what we got. That was in tribute to her. And there were a lot of people that were upset. They felt like there should have been more of a tribute to Ananda during the ceremony. So it was, you know, great that Busta Rhymes took the time for her because we didn't see it anywhere else. Now, as we wrap up, I just want to mention some people that hit the carpet. We saw Glorilla Gunna also hit the carpet. He also debuted an Under Armour commercial, and he had a whole commercial during the. But Summer Walker hit the carpet with a new boo. It's this older white gentleman. She was feeding him on the carpet. There was like a.

[DJ Envy]

They even kissed each other.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. And I thought, I'm like, all of.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Y' all wilding now that y' all think Dr. Umar down, man. Y' all would have never done that for two months ago.

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, because. Because the school going through the trouble. She popped out with the order.

[DJ Envy]

Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Man, you could just do that because Dr. Umar having a little downslide right now.

[DJ Envy]

Listen, what would Dr. Umar say? I am totally against it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

She got a song called F My Type. So I thought this was just like, you know, a little promo for the song. Yeah. So I. I hit a, you know, a little source close, and I'm like, is Jokers is real? And they're like, no, she's really? This is her date. She's really dating him. She's having fun, exploring new options. They met through a mutual friend a few weeks ago, but she's going full sugar daddy from here on out. Well, she's done with her type. That is what I was told.

[DJ Envy]

She's happy. She's happy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She want worms. God bless her. Who do we to get in the way of her getting worms?

[DJ Envy]

All right, well, that is the latest with Lauren.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Maybe. Maybe she'll end up in the Wheel. Okay.

[DJ Envy]

All right. All right, People's Choice mixes. Up next, the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're checking out the Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne, the guy we are the Breakfast Club. Salute to Lorenz Tate, man. LORENZ Tate turns 50 today.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So happy birthday to that brother you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Like three years away.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I'm saying. But Lorenz look amazing for 50 years.

[DJ Envy]

Shout out to the Tate brothers, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I will. I take care of myself.

[DJ Envy]

And Slim Thugs. Salute to Thugga.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Thugga Thug Doug.

[DJ Envy]

Gotta be. Maybe. That's a good question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Probably 47, 48.

[DJ Envy]

Let's see, let's. Let's check right fast. Slim thug is 45.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, okay.

[DJ Envy]

Some thug is 45. So salute to Slim Thug, y'.

[Mimi Brown]

All.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Getting up there, y'.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, moisture, you be sleeping even after your gigs. Envy Charlemagne. You ain't growing no more, but you still have big tall man energy. I'm really proud of y'.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All. Yeah, I mean, your hair has, you know, like your hair's not to going growing anymore, but it has the energy. Like it still flourishes. Wow.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, baby, my hair grows all the time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's why only this part shakes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Don't deflect your shoes on me when you do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like this right here. Just as flat as mine. Right, right here. Right here with him.

[DJ Envy]

Salute to Ben Shapiro for joining us. He's the co founder of the Daily Wire. He stopped through earlier this morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. He has a new book out called Lions and Scavengers, the True Story of America. So it's an interesting read. Whether you agree or disagree with with Ben Shapiro's opinions, it is an interesting read.

[DJ Envy]

That's right.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Delaware State University. I will be there tomorrow. Tuesday, September 10th. I'll be on campus because I am the keynote speaker at the convocation ceremony, which is so fire like. That is the ceremony.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Congratulations.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Thank you. That's a ceremony that welcomes the entire student body to a successful year. And it sets the tone and motivates the students to, you know, do all the things they need to do to get through their year. So I am so honored to have been asked to come.

[DJ Envy]

You graduated?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes, I graduated. Don't play with me. I was earning a full academic scholarship for most of my time. Yes. So don't play with me. Yeah. So I'll be on campus. I'll also be broadcasting tomorrow. I'll be doing the show from Delaware State University. Yep. So I'll see you guys at the convocation ceremony. And. Yeah, congratulations to the new class coming in, making their marks on the world. The best HBCU in the world. Envy Charlamagne. You ain't graduate from nowhere.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Salute to South Carolina State University. You know, it don't matter. My mother is Alma material.

[Lauren LaRosa]

South Carolina State University was close to you. That's all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got your noise. And I have a endowment scholarship at South Carolina State University. I give out scholarships every year to South Carolina State University. They played the University of South Carolina this weekend, which is very interesting. Me and my wife were down there for the game, so. My wife is the alumni of the University of South Carolina, but she also was a cheerleader, so, you know, we a Gamecock household. But then they playing South Carolina State. That's my mama's alma mater. That's. You know, I got an honorary degree from there, so I was just rooting for South Carolina this weekend.

[DJ Envy]

Yes. Did you go to that chicken spot you was dying to go to?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yes, I did. Drop on the Clues bomb for Bernard, that backyard dining experience. He ain't even fried chicken, though. He fried fish. Let me tell you something. If you get an opportunity to go to Bernard and experience his backyard dining experience, do it. That was. That was like, top two fried pieces of fish I ever had in my life. And I come from a fried fish family. Now. My Uncle Harris know how to fry some good fish. Money. Know how to fry some good. Some good fish. My daddy cowboy fried some good fish. That man Bernard, he only 25 years old, so. But the way he seasons it and he has this, like, special hot honey sauce he puts on was. It was so crispy, but yet tender to where you biting into the bones. You didn't even realize, like, the bones were even kind of edible. And he fried a croaker, and he fried red snapper. Oh, my God. Drop on the Clues bombs with Bernard, but not. Yeah, man, but not hitting. It looks just as good as it does on Instagram.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I was trying to find an article. Did you see that your. The event that you did at the library, it broke like an attendance record.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, at the International African American.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. It broken. I got an alert for you. It broke an attendance record.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, I heard about that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah. That was fire. Congratulations on that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Salute to everybody. Yeah, salute everybody who attended the International African American Museum. And myself and Black Effect sponsored it on Labor Day. I think they said that like 2,000 plus plus people. So that was. That was an amazing thing, man.

[DJ Envy]

Well, you got a positive note.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. The positive note is simply this. And it comes from the banks and thugs conversation because I keep telling y', all, man, the hardest thing for men to do is just express that somebody hurt your feelings. I just feel like that comes from trauma. And I want y' all to know that trauma is a fact of life. But it does not, however, have to be a life sentence. And I also want y' all to know for everybody getting on their healing journey. Healing journey. Recover. Recovery is a process. Okay? It takes time. It takes patience. Patience. And it's gonna take everything you've got. So I wish you all well on your healing journeys. We'll see you tomorrow. Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

You all finished or y' all done?

[Mimi Brown]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Ben Shapiro]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Ben Shapiro]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Ben Shapiro]

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[Mimi Brown]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Ben Shapiro]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Mimi Brown]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[DJ Envy]

He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Mimi Brown]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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