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Eric Andre
Hey, what's up y'all? This is Eric Andre.
Andrew Schultz
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Eric Andre
Bombing Bombing with Eric Andre do you.
Damien Herman
Remember what you said the first night I came over here?
John Cameron Mitchell
Ow.
Eric Andre
Go slower.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Wake that ass up early in the morning.
Eric Andre
The Breakfast Club.
DJ Envy
Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy.
Eric Andre
Jess.
DJ Envy
Hilarious. Charlamagne.
Eric Andre
Tha. God.
DJ Envy
We are the breakfast club. Lauren LaRosa is here, and we got a special guest in the building.
Charlamagne Tha God
Hello. Kai Walker.
Eric Andre
Hello, everybody.
DJ Envy
Andrew Shells, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome.
Eric Andre
How's it going?
DJ Envy
How you feeling?
Eric Andre
I feel good, man.
DJ Envy
You know, it's crazy. I was talking to Charlamagne about you yesterday. I was like, we've been doing the Breakfast Club so long, we got a real opportunity to see different people grow.
Eric Andre
Yeah.
DJ Envy
And you were one of them. I was like, I remember Andrew Schultz starting off and the fact I seen a couple of months ago that you sold out the Garden a couple times and you had your dad with you.
Charlamagne Tha God
So light work.
Eric Andre
Yeah.
DJ Envy
I was like, so how does that feel, that growth? And we actually seen the grind. So people can't just say it was.
Eric Andre
Overnight cause he's white.
DJ Envy
No, we actually seen the grind.
Eric Andre
It was a while. I remember the first time I came on the Breakfast Club. I think it Charlemagne walked out within five minutes. I was so excited. I was like, hey, man, can I come on show? He was like, yo, I got you, bro. He comes, he starts to show. He goes, I got my man Schultz here. All right, I'll take it away. And then he just left.
Charlamagne Tha God
But it was still a great interview, even with this one. I'mma sit here and I'mma talk, but I'm like, I'm more interested to hear what Lauren. And that's my guy.
Lauren LaRosa
I was telling my friend. I was like. He was like, well, that's Charlamagne, homie. I said, I promise you, he gonna be like, I'm not going to talk. I want to hear what y'all have.
Charlamagne Tha God
To say, because I talked. I know what he thinks about things, but I want to talk every week. Yes. I'm more interested to hear what. What y'all think.
Eric Andre
He's gonna chime in. You'll see.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Eric Andre
Once it gets a little spicy. Spicy. He'll be in there.
DJ Envy
So I want to talk, man.
Eric Andre
You had all of us thinking that that poor girl's family died. The Porsha Williams. I was terrifying. He's looking at this note, and then I see her looking at the note, and then I'm like, damn, somebody died. And the only thing I'm thinking is, is she gonna stop the interview? You know what I mean? Like, there's this moment where you're like, does she care so much about fame? She's like, well, they're already dead. They ain't gonna be born.
Charlamagne Tha God
It wasn't in death. It wasn't in death.
Lauren LaRosa
She started to get teary eyed. And the way she looked at her sister, I thought somebody died too. And I'm like, oh. All I was thinking is we are getting exclusive.
Charlamagne Tha God
You see what I'm saying? She worse than me. I'm just trying to get a laugh.
Eric Andre
I was like, trying to get a laugh. She trying to get. You see what I'm saying?
Lauren LaRosa
This is a major exclusive right here.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's.
Lauren LaRosa
I'm like, let me see what it says, cuz I need to anchor headline.
Charlamagne Tha God
But see, that's the TMZ brain, cuz, you know, she comes from tmz.
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah. That was so bad. And I love. Sorry. Portia not going to wet. No, everybody's good.
Eric Andre
I see.
DJ Envy
I know Charlemagne, even though he's an. If that would have happened, he would have stopped the interview and be like, hey, I need you to go outside. I know him for that, so I.
Charlamagne Tha God
Wouldn'T have played like that.
DJ Envy
Yeah, I knew it would have been some type of joke. I just don't. I know how far he was going to go.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, it's funny, when Schultz walked in, Schultz looked at that couch and he was like, yo, that's the whole couch. Big Dick sat up.
Eric Andre
I didn't know the section.
Lauren LaRosa
He said, big Dick, legendary. Now.
Eric Andre
Now the couch is the. I mean, I remember we were on Brilliant Idiots when we first saw that. And yo. Oh my God. And I don't know, Charlemagne said. Said, why is she calling a lift? She should, you know, she.
Charlamagne Tha God
Why didn't she call it?
Eric Andre
Why did she call a forklift?
Charlamagne Tha God
And she lifted a fork enough.
Eric Andre
And then she came on. It was really funny. Like I was watching the episode. And she's quite endearing. She's just like a really, really endearing voice. But when you guys moved the couch up and I walked in, I was like, oh, that's the famous couch. And I didn't know that there are three pieces, so I thought you only one part. Semicircle out.
DJ Envy
You know, we pulled the whole thing up.
Eric Andre
Yeah. And I was like, she filled that thing out. There's no way she's making it into a Honda Civic. Like, there's no way she said she.
Lauren LaRosa
Could get in a PT Cruiser.
Eric Andre
Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Well, God bless her.
DJ Envy
I wanted to know, you know, with this day and age with comedy. Right.
Eric Andre
Yeah.
DJ Envy
We recently seen Damon Wayne said he's not going back out on the road because they will cancel you for everything. Oh, but you are somebody that don't give a F what you say, what people think. And why is that?
Eric Andre
Yeah, I don't know. That's a good. That's a good.
Lauren LaRosa
I don't know why.
Eric Andre
I don't really care. But I think that the days of canceling are done. Like, I think. I think it's changed. I think that kind of like pendulum is swung and I think people kind of have a sense of humor now or they feel like less effective in their ability to cancel.
Charlamagne Tha God
I think you don't care because you threw what could have been a Hail Mary or it could have been a well coordinated play. It turned out to be a welcome. Which one?
Eric Andre
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Because when Hollywood, there was a period. And I remember this vividly. I remember one time Andrew comes in the studio and Andrew was saying how his agent told him that Hollywood does not want white straight.
Eric Andre
No, they. They tried to gay me.
DJ Envy
White, straight, male. So they wanted you to.
Eric Andre
Gave me.
Lauren LaRosa
They gave you?
Eric Andre
Yeah, they gave me charlamagne.
DJ Envy
Tries that every day with me.
Lauren LaRosa
They wanted you to try dating men.
Eric Andre
Or they tried, you know, they. No, they gave me and they made my character gay.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, yeah.
Eric Andre
I had books. Yeah, it was crazy. I had books. Yeah. Say what?
Lauren LaRosa
Go ahead.
Eric Andre
They do it. What do you mean?
Lauren LaRosa
Because, you know, it's always been that thing of like, that happens to black men and that's how you like. Oh, they're like, oh, they do that.
Eric Andre
But that's just like. That's just like the lowest hanging fruit. I don't think the dress is. Is about being gay. I just think that, like, it's. It's white people writing scripts that, like, don't have any friends that aren't white. So then when they see black people, they see masculinity, right? Like, this is their, like, like, what is it? Unconscious, like, bias, right? So they see black dudes, like, oh, that's the most masculine thing. So, like, what's the funniest thing to see the most masculine, masculine thing in a dress. Like, to see the rock in a dress is funny, you know? So I think that's really. It's like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I think they did it to him too, because you just like big, buff guy in a dress. But yeah, they. I remember the guy who. I remember the guy who. It was his show. He put me in the show. Paul Reiser, Remember Paul Reiser?
Charlamagne Tha God
No.
Eric Andre
He. I mean, he was making a million dollars an episode on his show on sitcom back in the Day I'm talking about. He was, like, one of the biggest sitcom stars. He's a great guy. And we were doing the show. I think it ended up on Hulu, and he called me. He's like, listen, man, you know, there's a lot of white people on the show. It took place in the 70s. It was about the Johnny Carson show. He's like, two weeks before he started filming me, he's like, hey, man, we got to make your character gay. And I was like, what do you. What do you mean by that? Yeah, so obviously he was like, how. I was like, how gay? And he's. He's. I was like, why do we have to make it gay? He's like, ah, it's just a lot of white people on the show. So we got to find a way to mix it up. They made one guy crippled. That was the most hilarious.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's DEI too, though.
Eric Andre
I know, but it was like, they couldn't make us all gay, so, like, one guy got to be crippled.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Eric Andre
And I was like, why don't you ask? I'd rather be limping around this than butt. You know what I mean? So.
Charlamagne Tha God
And that's funny, though. You get butt and you the blood.
Lauren LaRosa
So, so cute. We're here, guys.
Eric Andre
So. So, yeah, so they. They made it. It was crazy. Like, I had to change one of the script. It was two. One of the guy. It got too gay.
DJ Envy
They wanted you to kiss about.
Eric Andre
They want me to get gang banged. Not like they. They had. So they. So they had, like, this one script. I got it on the day. They're like, yeah, it'd be really funny if you were, like, walking into this room, there's three guys behind you, and I was like, man, let me tell you what's not gonna happen, all right? Y'all taking this di too far. It was. And it was like in the 70s or like, it was like AIDS, you.
Charlamagne Tha God
Know what I mean?
Eric Andre
Like, there was no protection for that. Like, and now we got three different guys following me into a bedroom.
Charlamagne Tha God
So that was in the script.
Eric Andre
I was in the script, and I was like, I ain't doing that. I was like, I don't think. I think my guy would do that.
DJ Envy
So what did you do?
Eric Andre
There's a scene where apparently now, like, my hands are on the wall.
Lauren LaRosa
Okay.
Eric Andre
And then, like, Johnny Carson show. That was the Johnny Carson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But nothing. I don't do anything. But the audience is gay for thinking about it. Y'all are gay. Not me.
Charlamagne Tha God
But then all I was simply saying There was a point where Andrew was like, look, I'm gonna go out on my own terms. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So if everybody's going this way, I'm gonna make the kind of comedy I want to make. And if it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. But it ended up working.
Eric Andre
I did. I did. My thing was, it's like I saw a lot of people kind of watering down that for what the TV networks were putting on. And I got empathy for the people that work at the networks too. Like, you got a kid who's in private school, you want to build a pool at your house or whatever, you're not trying to lose your job because I want to make some crazy joke, so. But it felt watered down and I didn't want to change the comedy, so I was like, where can I put out the comedy? And honestly, like having the pod with Charlemagne and we're putting out like brilliant idiot stuff and we're saying crazy jokes and like, people really seem to like it. And I was like, I think there's an appetite for this online. I saw your guy's success, like just seeing your guys show kill it on YouTube, it. It just kind of reminded me like, people are consuming stuff on YouTube. They're consuming high quality content. Long form, yo. What if we just started putting stand up out there? And I think knowing that there was this place for it made me feel way more confident. I didn't really care if it was like on a network. I just wanted to do the comedy I want to do. And then, and then it worked, man.
Charlamagne Tha God
But you ended up that, that was risky because you was giving away your bread and butter, though, because you're giving up parts of your stand up special.
Eric Andre
Yeah, yeah, that's true. But at the same time, it's like I was writing so much, you know, back then because I had to go back to the same markets every single year. I had to go back to Albany every single year. So I didn't want to do the same jokes from last year.
Lauren LaRosa
Right.
Eric Andre
You know, like people like, that's something. Like early on I was like, I'm not gonna waste people's money. You know, every tour I was like, people work hard. They got to get a babysitter. Like, they got. It's a whole night, it's dinner, it's expensive to come out to a show. So I was like, this got to be the best show that they see. At least we gotta attempt to make it. So I would have a new set and then what was I doing for the old set? I put that out there and, like, the jokes would start to go over and I was saying some wild. I ain't gonna lie.
DJ Envy
And you pissed a lot of people off. You ever got threatened?
Eric Andre
Yeah.
DJ Envy
I was thinking diddy, but you would have a lot of people.
Eric Andre
What were we thinking about when he said that? When you hear that name, what comes out? Like, what do you think about the baby behind them?
DJ Envy
You see the baby behind him?
Eric Andre
Yo, I love how much you guys have embraced white boy fun. It makes me so happy. Like, that's white boy fun. You guys are. You guys are the black pioneers of white boy fun. Like, I feel. And you know what? You know, and the way he goes too far. Like, you know, white boy fun is.
Lauren LaRosa
No, I'm. Please.
Eric Andre
Just like straight guys making gay jokes with each other.
Lauren LaRosa
Oh, okay. I'm an old job. Yeah, that is very white.
Eric Andre
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
So like, we just call that gay?
Eric Andre
Yeah, we call. We call white boyfriend because it's not gay if it's two straight guys doing it.
Lauren LaRosa
Okay.
Eric Andre
Yeah. But once there's a gay guy involved, then it becomes gay.
Lauren LaRosa
No, at my. So the white boyfriend I experienced at my last job, there would be a gay guy involved and it still was just, woo. This is great. This is fun. Yeah. Okay.
Eric Andre
Yeah, but that's what they said in the office. But when they left, they were like, yo, they gay for doing that shit. I'm just telling you. That's it. Yeah, yeah.
Lauren LaRosa
It was my first time seeing it. I was like, wow.
Eric Andre
And you didn't know what to think, right?
Lauren LaRosa
No.
Eric Andre
Yeah, yeah. So this is like classic, you know, when white dudes hang out, it's all gay jokes.
Lauren LaRosa
Okay.
Eric Andre
And Mexican. Shout out to Mexican. Mexican got good.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, Mexicans definitely got good. Remember on training day when the dude was like, you ever had your pushed in? Oh, yeah.
Eric Andre
That seemed like a rape. I don't know if he was joking about that. That didn't seem like a game.
Charlamagne Tha God
I didn't understand why he wanted that. Why wouldn't you want him to go. Go get an enema, bro.
Eric Andre
Yeah, you want to clean that out?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. You know what I mean?
Lauren LaRosa
So, so, okay, so Mexican gay jokes. No, they've been.
Eric Andre
You never seen one eat the corn the long way.
Lauren LaRosa
I like that corn. Can you please stop ruin that corn for me? That's my favorite part.
Eric Andre
So usually you eat on the side, man, but you ever seen a dude eat the corn the long way? That's crazy.
Lauren LaRosa
I gotta finish my shot, but I.
DJ Envy
Was asking, have you got threatened to a point where you was like, I gotta chill out.
Damien Herman
Cause you.
DJ Envy
You go at anybody anyhow.
Eric Andre
I got. I got punched on stage. I used to get beerballs thrown at me. Any fight not. I mean, got hands.
Charlamagne Tha God
You box?
Eric Andre
Used to box, Yeah, I used to box. Like, I wasn't like. But I'm not like some, like, try to fight everybody tough guy at all.
Lauren LaRosa
But box and do Pilates.
Eric Andre
Yeah, there you go. That's. Yeah, yeah. If we're organized and we're in a ring, I'll probably you up. If we're on the street and I'm like, I don't really want to go do. But. But yeah, yeah, I used to go through. Through that kind of stuff all the time, but I just wasn't really funny enough back then. That's the way, you know, like, you. You have the ideas, you just don't got the skills to execute it. It's not silly enough yet. And then eventually I think you could develop the skills and then you could say even wilder jokes, but in a way where people find it kind of funny and silly.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's something I never heard you say. I never heard you say you didn't feel like you was funny enough.
Eric Andre
As I look back, like, you know, like there was. I was. I had funny jokes, but I also just didn't have the skill to execute some other ones. So it would just be. I just say some wild. And I'm like, yeah, this is funny. And then, you know, sometimes the jokes would work, and then sometimes they just really wouldn't work. But I feel like now I'm getting closer to a point where even if somebody hates the topic I'm talking about, I can make it funny enough where they could. They could laugh at it.
Lauren LaRosa
You talked about the censorship era being good for comedy because it set, like, certain boundaries. Like, what not.
Eric Andre
Yeah, you got to be naughty.
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah, but. But so having those boundaries and then you saying you look back at your old tape, you weren't as funny, so you had to develop. So you have, like, there's a whole system behind you of like. Like you sit and watch your highlight tapes and you use all of that.
Eric Andre
Yeah. I also think censorship, like, in a weird way, I. I don't believe in censorship, but the fact that it exists makes you have to be sharper. You know, like, if. If you could. We're in the era of you could say anything right now, and commie will probably get a little bit more like absurdists and irreverent because you could say anything. So there's nothing that's, like, too edgy. Does that make sense?
DJ Envy
Yeah.
Eric Andre
So now comedy usually gets, like, a little, like, weird and out there, you know, like, remember that? Remember Zach Galifianakis? Remember him?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Lauren LaRosa
I used to love him.
Eric Andre
Yeah, no, Zach's great. Like, that type of comedy where it's not like, here's a political take, but it's more like he's a character and it's a little weird. That type. Type of comedy gets popular when you could say anything and then when, you know, censorship comes back. Usually the guys like a Chris Rock, you know, I mean, just these, like, historic figures.
Charlamagne Tha God
But that's why I think well crafted just. That's why the Life special is actually special, because well crafted jokes have to make a comeback now because we live in a world where everybody just says any old wild shit. Yeah, but what's the. What's the joke? How are you packaging?
Eric Andre
I agree.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, I mean.
Eric Andre
Yes. Yeah. And people will give you that liberty. Like, if is good, if the joke is good, they'll let you rock with it. Even if they don't like the topic or even the opinion. They, you know, they're. They're like, okay, I know what you were trying to say. Also. The life one is just like, so. It's so personal and it's so vulnerable. I think I get a little leeway with the other.
Lauren LaRosa
I had to watch. Sorry. I had to watch it twice. I'm not gonna hold you. No, I don't, like, celebrate it, but. Okay. So the first time I watched it, maybe because it was so personal, like, I was like, okay, where's the. Like, I wasn't laughing at everything.
Eric Andre
Oh, really? Okay.
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah. But it was because I was trying to follow the story and I'm like, wait, like, low key. You. Like, that was. That had to be tough for you.
Eric Andre
Yeah.
Lauren LaRosa
And then I went back again and I watched it and it was funny and I was like, oh, okay. But I'm like, I don't know why I had. I've never had to do that ever.
Eric Andre
The fact that you watch it twice. I mean, that to me is great. And, you know, whatever you get out of it, that's awesome.
Charlamagne Tha God
Did you feel a little bit retarded that you didn't get it the first time?
Lauren LaRosa
It wasn't that I didn't get it. I think when I. Because that was my first time ever seeing you do stand up and I've heard so much about you, I think I instantly just thought I was going to be like, oh, my God. But I was like, no, wait, he. Y'all couldn't have a baby. And, like, there's all this stuff that was there. I think my. My empathy for you came in, and I. I didn't find it funny. And then the second time, the empathy was removed, and I'm like, oh, he. He's funny.
Eric Andre
Yeah. Yeah.
Lauren LaRosa
But I didn't get it. Yeah, I didn't get it, but I've never. I brought that up because I'm wondering, like, is there. Is that on purpose?
Eric Andre
Well, there's a. There's an interesting thing that, like, so the beginning of the special, I say we had the baby specifically for that reason, is that I felt like the audience would be too concerned and distraught. So if you paid attention to the beginning, you might have felt better.
Lauren LaRosa
Well, I did hear that in the beginning, and I watched you, a brilliant idiot. So I know you had the baby, but I think it just. It felt so heavy because you don't necessarily hear men, and you talked about this in a special place. Men talking about, okay, we couldn't have the baby because it was. It was my fault.
Eric Andre
Yeah.
Lauren LaRosa
Like. You know what I mean? Like, and I'm like, he's laughing and joking, but, like, as a man, I can't. That probably. It probably still strokes your ego a little bit when you talk about it, honestly.
Eric Andre
No, like, it's. It's weird. It. At first, I dealt with it, right? Like, so my sperm. My sperm doesn't swim. That's, like, the issue that I talk in there.
Lauren LaRosa
I heard the joke that Taylor dropped, too.
Eric Andre
Yo, Taylor killed me. She said, yeah, because we. I beat her in a race. And then I was saying something to her. She was like, yeah, I run fast on your sperm.
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah, I remember that.
Charlamagne Tha God
And nobody knew it. We knew at the time what he was dealing with.
Eric Andre
The people.
Lauren LaRosa
Yes, I remember that, too, but go ahead.
DJ Envy
So it was like, that's a tough room over there.
Eric Andre
Oh, no. It was brutal. But the joke was fantastic. Like, you got to keep it in. So. Yeah. So it's like when. When I thought it was my wife's fault, which is what every guy thinks that's going through fertility is. I felt uncomfortable talking about on stage because that's, like, her very deep personal business. And a lot of women feel incredibly insecure. Right. About that. Right. It makes them feel less of a woman. ET Right. Once I found out it was my fault, I remember the doctor said I was like, what's the deal? The doctor was like, your sperm swims like drew ski and a riptide.
Charlamagne Tha God
Damn.
Lauren LaRosa
They said you were a C. C plus. Oh.
Eric Andre
Which I feel like he just said the plus so I could feel better about myself, which was nice of him. But immediately after that I start going, what the is wrong with me? Like, why, you know, like, does God not want me to have kids? Like, it's like you have like this really weird, like week. And then once we decide to go through the. I actually want to like beat the system. I was like, no, I think I could do it anyway. Like, I got like really competitive. And then every time that we would try my. And it didn't work, my wife would like cry. And I felt like it was really selfish if we just didn't go through this other process. Second we went with the other process. I felt really comfortable talking about it on stage. Like, actually once I found out it was me, I felt comfortable talking about the stage because it wasn't like my wife's issue and I'm like exposing her like deep, dark secret.
Lauren LaRosa
Right.
Eric Andre
And when I started talking about on stage, man, the amount of people that would like come up to me and send me these dms, like these beautiful things about like what they're going through. And I've actually IVF and like eventually having kids, like, you really get to see how. I think we talk so much about how people are trying to like avoid kids or they're upset that they got a girl pregnant and there's like all this like negativity activity around kids. When you talk to IVF couples, you are or are talking to the people that face the reality they might never bring life into this world. And then by the grace of God, we're able to see this thing that they've cherished and maybe we're trying to make for years. So you have the most gratitude for your child. Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
You see how much of a blessing it is.
Eric Andre
Oh my God. So it's like you see the way that people react and how emotional they get about their children. And it's like you get this just this beautiful. And then the people who had kids and it was kind of easy for them, they'll send me these messages about like the gratitude they have for their kid. And they didn't realize that, you know, they. It was kind of lucky for them. So yeah, it was, it was really, it was a really cool thing that I did not expect. I thought I was going to be the only one going through this.
DJ Envy
It's a tight knit community. Like most people don't necessarily realize, like, because you know, I got six kids, so the first four, bang them out.
Eric Andre
Goddamn.
DJ Envy
We were trying to have the fifth one and we couldn't get pregnant. So we tried ivf.
Eric Andre
Oh, really?
DJ Envy
Yeah, we tried ivf. Paid for it because insurance didn't cover it. Was as expensive as a mother effort. To the point where when we had the powerhouse concerts up here, I would have to give my wife the shot. Cause you have to give her a shot at a certain time.
Eric Andre
And you gotta make it. It's like a cocktail.
DJ Envy
Had to make it at home.
Eric Andre
They're giving you syringes. Yeah.
DJ Envy
So in the middle of the concert, I'm in the back doing the shot, this, that and the other, and it still didn't work. So we was like, eff it. We took it as well. Maybe God said four is enough.
Eric Andre
Yep.
Charlamagne Tha God
But at least you had four. Imagine the ones that have zero.
Eric Andre
But if you got one, it happened.
DJ Envy
It happened, bro. Naturally. Which was the craziest thing ever.
Eric Andre
Sometimes it's the stress. Like, I know it's the most. It's the dumbest thing. And you guys probably. I mean, you know about this just because all the mental health stuff you do, but, like, the way that your brain can play tricks on your body that you got. You put so much pressure on, like, having a kid, and your body reacts negatively like that. Like, there's a lot of people who try ivf. It works. And then the next kid they have naturally, and it's just. Your body goes, all right, it's kid time. Like, now you're not so stressed. You got one, and that might be it. You guys went, all right. You know, if we're supposed to have four, that's what we're supposed to have said.
DJ Envy
No more. Forget it.
Eric Andre
And then you stop trying and immediately bang two more. Two more.
Charlamagne Tha God
Your women that don't have kids, imagine how they would feel if they knew how many abortions certain women got, bro.
DJ Envy
Yeah.
Eric Andre
When I was going through this, I was like, I don't even understand who gets abortions.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Eric Andre
Like, I was. It was so hard for us to get pregnant. I didn't even know that it was about, like, my sperm or her eggs. I was like, who's getting abortion? How is this possible? Once I knew. Yeah, I saw it. But, yeah, it's a deeper.
DJ Envy
I'm glad you spoke about it because so many people dealing with it, like we talked about in the book, that when you do it, so many people hit you, you'll be surprised and shocked.
Eric Andre
The last taboo thing. And people are. Feel so Insecure about it because you don't want your partner to be embarrassed. So, like, if I'm telling you it was easier that it was me, if it was my wife's ovaries, I don't think I'd ever talk about it.
DJ Envy
Right.
Eric Andre
Because it could be humiliating for women, for dudes. Yes, Humiliating for me. But, like, as a comedian, I think I'm a little, like, I find the. The joy and that humiliation funny in anything. Yeah. It's just. It's easy for me to deal with. And. But I'll tell you, after. After talking about and seeing all the other people going through it, it's like, yeah, that's why, honestly, when we had Trump on, there was, like, three things that I want to ask him, and one of them I wanted him to say publicly that he would. He would protect ivf.
DJ Envy
So let's talk about that. How did you meet Trump? How did y'all get to, like, how are you together?
Eric Andre
They reached out.
DJ Envy
Cool.
Eric Andre
They reached out, and they were like, do you want to have them on? And we're like, yeah, we want to do in the studio. And then they were like, ah, we can't do it. And the studio, like, you know, Charlie knows. It's like, it's a. You guaranteed assassination. It's like windows everywhere. It's like. I don't even know why we were trying. Like, you walk right out the elevator, it's windows everywhere, but. Right. Like, you know, I hope that doesn't happen, but, you know, so. But we were really pushing for that. And then. And then when we did the pod. Yeah. I, like, spoke to his kid for a while before, and I spoke to Dana White.
Charlamagne Tha God
Which one?
Eric Andre
Junior. Okay, Junior. And I was like, yeah, just tell me some stories. And, like, I just kind of wanted to say again, the party.
Lauren LaRosa
You talked about the party.
Eric Andre
Oh, yeah. So he told me about that one. He told me. Yeah. Yeah. There's a part I didn't say on the interview, but. Because I said he just went up to the roof and kicked everybody out. But, like, what Junior told me is he was in his underwear. So, like, just imagine and Trump in his underwear.
Lauren LaRosa
Junior, for the people who haven't seen the interview, Schultz in the group, they talk about Donald Trump. Junior had, like, a huge radio party, and then they had to throw everybody out because Trump found out about the party.
Eric Andre
Well, yeah, he wasn't supposed to be back.
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah, he was supposed to be back. It was kind of like something on, like, a movie. My dad comes home, but he, like, never mentions it.
Eric Andre
Yeah.
Lauren LaRosa
So Trump Jr. Is like, almost like it didn't happen.
Eric Andre
Exactly.
Lauren LaRosa
But, you know, he was in his underwear, so that party got real crazy.
Eric Andre
Yeah. That was the first time he addressed it in, like, 40 years or something like that. He never addressed it with his kid.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, there's a guy in this room, a young black male, who said he watched Trump on flagrant, and he goes, yo. He goes, that flagrant interview is going to get Trump elected.
Eric Andre
That guy that you're talking about, he's been maggot for a while. He was waiting for that moment.
Lauren LaRosa
I felt the same way. That was the first time I looked at him as, like, a person. I was like, why am I like. I was like, oh, my God, he's a granddad. He cares about his kids. Like, ugh. But it was like, y'all made him. He was having a good time.
Charlamagne Tha God
The Koshosa fault.
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah, it's my fault.
DJ Envy
That and the commercial where another young black guy in. In this room did a commercial that Trump used and played over.
Eric Andre
I met the guy who made that.
DJ Envy
Commercial, and over and over again.
Charlamagne Tha God
What did he say?
Eric Andre
Yeah, he was like, hey, thanks. Charlamagne really helped us out with that one. I mean, that commercial was unbelievable. It'd be really crazy that the election was decided in this room right now. We don't get enough credit, but do.
Lauren LaRosa
You get that response from people like, yo, y'all humanized somebody that, like, we low key. Even. Even when he got shot, I felt like people were like, oh, we don't want that to happen.
Eric Andre
But so what I'd say to people, and I have, like, a way more humble take than I think most, is like, I don't think that we had any impact on the election. I don't think that any of the podcast, like, I think that America. I think what America had decided is a lot of America weren't voting for Trump. They were rejecting the current administration. They just didn't like what was happening. And I think the way that the current administration was campaigning, they're basically kind of saying, hey, everything's good. We're going to kind of keep doing this. I think a lot of Americans were like, I don't really feel like it's good, so I'm going to go for anything but this. But I think the idea of Trump is always, he's a populist, so if you vote for him, it means you love him and you're obsessed with him and you're maggot, so you die where I think a lot of it is really just rejection. In the same way that when people voted for Biden, they ain't really vote for Biden. They voted against the chaos of Trump.
Charlamagne Tha God
And that's the chaos of the world at that time. Yes, it was Covid. It was George Floyd. But also, we talk about this. America had his mind made up for two years that they were voting for Trump. We knew that. Like, it's not like we knew that. We were saying that. We were saying Biden needed to step down because we knew Biden wasn't gonna win in November. It wasn't until the vice president, you know, became the nominee that it was like, okay, well, maybe. Maybe there is another option. But everybody knew. It's.
Eric Andre
It's not.
DJ Envy
So what do you think about everything that Trump's doing now?
Eric Andre
Well, what specifically?
DJ Envy
There's a whole lot. I mean, there's so many orders between.
Eric Andre
Oh, I love that.
Lauren LaRosa
I saw that on Joe Rogan. Right?
Eric Andre
I think it was Megyn Kelly.
Lauren LaRosa
Okay.
Eric Andre
But, yeah, I love the. Yeah, the Gulf of America. I mean, it's. It's North America, Central America, South America. Why we call it the Gulf of Mexico. It should feel like the Gulf of America. It's not the Gulf of North America. It's just the Gulf of America. But again, what I like is just like, I like saying audacious shit. I'm an American. Like, Americans in general, like, in our DNA, we're like, we like risk takers, and we like people who are brave. And I think that's, like, the tricky thing for Democrats right now.
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Eric Andre
I'm, like, a lifelong Democrat. I grew up in an arts family. Both my parents were dance teachers. Like, I live in New York City my whole life. So what I need is some energy on the Democratic side. We talk about this all the time. Is I need some, like, shit talk. I need some bodacious shit talk. And I think the thing that really Americans care about right now is it's. It's things are expensive. And I think Democrats need their build the wall and whatever that is. It has to tap into what people are struggling with right now. So if it's.
Charlamagne Tha God
They first have to build the team.
Eric Andre
Well, exactly. But, yo, it could just be one outsider. Like. Like, I think it's dollar eggs. Like, eggs are a dollar. I think you just start. It doesn't matter if you don't know how to do it, but you start saying something that's going to resonate with people, and that's the only way. And I think that if they make it a class issue, they win this election pretty easily come the next election. But they're afraid to do that because a lot of them are in the pockets of the billionaire class and the corporations. So they make it about identity politics. They. It's all these people that go to, like, Harvard and Yale that, like, pretend to give a fuck about you guys. They don't actually give a fuck about you guys, but they get patted on the back for pretending to do it. And now they're in this situation where the rest of America is like, I can't afford eggs, so I can't really care about the bathroom. Like, I don't give a fuck about who goes in the bathroom because I need to buy eggs until I could buy eggs. I don't worry about the bathroom. So you got to start addressing people where their problems are.
Charlamagne Tha God
And you know what's proven that point? When you look at, like, Gavin Newsome on his podcast with Charlie Kirk.
Eric Andre
Right. He wants it so bad, bro. That motherfucker's thirsty.
Charlamagne Tha God
Exactly. But you see how quick he is to distance himself from trans athletes and stuff like that. So now it's like, oh, so you never cared?
Eric Andre
No, they never cared.
Charlamagne Tha God
You never gave a. It was just all about politics for you.
Lauren LaRosa
It's all about that for all politicians, though.
Charlamagne Tha God
Absolutely. But some people show it better than others. Some people act like they care better than others.
Eric Andre
Yeah, you need to learn how to lie better.
Charlamagne Tha God
And I don't think Democrats are going to win so easily in 2028. I think that America, I think because the Democrats are in such disarray, America will say, you know what, just give me a sensible Republican. Just give me a traditional conservative. Like, give me a Nikki Haley. Just somebody, just a regular conservative. I can deal with that. Yeah, I think that's what's going to happen.
Eric Andre
Yeah, that, I mean, that could, that could definitely happen. There just has to be something like, like radical and disruptive on the Democrat side. And I think that they're also concerned. They're playing this like, prevent defense and they're really concerned about like ostracizing a group. Like, if I say this, will women be upset? If I say this, will black people be upset? If I say this, will trans be upset? And it's actually like a harder position to be in. To be a Democrat, you're the party of progress. You have to push forward and you.
Charlamagne Tha God
Got to please everybody.
Eric Andre
You got to please everybody.
Charlamagne Tha God
Which is impossible.
Eric Andre
Conservatives are actually trying to pull back. It's a way easier position to be in, to be like, all right, we went too far forward. But I think what Democrats need to do is just start listening to everyday working class people. I don't like. I think Democrats are too stuck in the Ivy League. It's, there's too much like pretentious finger wagon. That's not what everyday Americans are. And you need to get the working class back immediately. And you're not going to get that back when you just got a bunch of these like super rich Nepo babies telling poor people how they should think and who should they should vote for. Like, I don't want you to tell me if you never had a job. You can't tell me who I should vote for.
John Cameron Mitchell
For.
Eric Andre
Simple as that.
Charlamagne Tha God
You like Java Crockett, though.
Eric Andre
I love that girl. But like, that's the type of language that I want to start, I want, I want people to start using. Like when she said, you're Putin's hoe. I don't care. I don't agree with that sentiment.
Lauren LaRosa
Actually, my favorite sound bite from her that night.
Eric Andre
But I, I like the, I like the energy. Because what people like about Trump, despite him being like a billionaire who got money from his dad. Right. He doesn't talk like them. He talks like me and you. The Indian journalist is asking him a question. Dibble dabble, dibble dabble. And then all of a sudden, dibble dabble, dibble dabble. And then he goes, I don't know what the hell that guy just said. That to me is the most relatable thing I've ever seen in my entire life. I go, yeah, that's what I would have said. That's what he would have said. That's what you would have said if we were just hanging around on the corner talking.
DJ Envy
So you like Trump because you don't feel like it's political? He's just himself.
Eric Andre
I'm not saying. That's not saying the reason why I like him. I'm saying the reason why people relate to him, despite him a billionaire. Because that's the thing Democrats don't seem to understand. They're like. They say that we're in the pockets of the rich, but there's a rich guy right there. Why do they relate to him? It's like, do you see how he talks to people? He called Shorty Pocahontas in the middle of the Senate here.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yo. And, you know, she's sitting right there. It's been normalized so much that that wasn't even a headline. They like, oh, that's his old.
Eric Andre
Sit there and take it. Yeah. Pocahontas over here pointed at.
Charlamagne Tha God
Nobody cared. Talking about Elizabeth Warren wasn't even a headline. Nobody gave.
Eric Andre
But he's making fun of African Nation. He's like, we gave 40 million to Lesotho. Nobody knows what that is. That's hilarious.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, especially being that I didn't know what it was.
Eric Andre
Neither did I.
Charlamagne Tha God
Was that a real nation?
Lauren LaRosa
Oh, when they was running down the stuff at the City, I thought that that was all jokes. That was real.
Eric Andre
That's what I'm saying.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yo, he would have slapped if he'd have said Wakanda. If he would have said 5 billion of Wakanda.
Eric Andre
That's the mineral contract we need. I need that vibranium.
DJ Envy
I want to ask, too, because you talk about walking the line.
Eric Andre
Yeah.
DJ Envy
You walk a dope line because you have white fan base and black fan base.
Eric Andre
Yeah.
DJ Envy
Is that difficult for you?
Eric Andre
I got where I said I got.
DJ Envy
Your jokes go everywhere with it.
Eric Andre
I got the most diverse audience in comedy. It's not even close. Like, it's just like, you come to my show, it looks like the U.N. so it's like. It's like. To me, it's in my experience, in my life, I'm a pretty curious guy. So, like, if I find out something about your culture, where you're from, whatever, I like talking about it, and I'm going to make jokes about just because that's my way of communicating the world. What I found is, is, like, when you make fun of people based on things that they're proud of or they haven't realized about themselves. They don't feel offended, they feel kind of seen, they feel noticed and they appreciate it. So all these different groups would start coming out to shows, you know, and I was like, oh, this is really cool. And when you ever, when everybody comes out to the show, we all kind of submit to this idea. Like everybody's gonna be made fun of. We are going to laugh at each other, we're gonna laugh at ourselves. And it's a cool little beautiful thing. So to me, it's never been like, like black people found out about me before white people. Like, I'm doing brilliant AIDS with him. Like Guy Code. To be honest, black people were on way before white people. I mean, eventually towards the end seasons of Guy Code, I think it like just crossed over. But early on MTV2 was more like hip hop related.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Eric Andre
And then I think it was the Rogan Rogan. I think white people started to find me and then like, you know, Indians found me. Obviously I do the pot with Akash, but also some stand up clips that would go viral out there. Albanians would see me from some clip and like all these different groups would come out and yeah, it's my favorite thing of looking out in the audience. But I used to go to comedy clubs when I was on tour and the, the owners would be like. Because it would be all black people for the weekend. And they would think I was like Gary Owen or something like that. They were like, what the is going on?
Charlamagne Tha God
Gary never called you. Like, man. What's the secret, man?
Eric Andre
How do you get white people to. I got black people, dad. How do I get white people?
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah, what about. And because you said when people, you make people feel good because they feel seen. But what about in the moments where you're making people like things that they, people don't want to be seen for. You're bringing that up and they're upset. Like, I know black woman was really upset at you for a second.
Eric Andre
Yeah. But I, I would say that they're upset for like a joke that I tried to make on the pod. And like the problem with the pod. I mean, I love pod, don't get me wrong. It's like, it's not really jokes. It's just like mounds of clay. A joke on stage is like a statue. You know, you've like molded it, carved it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like you can't work out on a pot. Yeah, but you can, but it's gonna be bad.
Eric Andre
It's probably like so like what I Always say to people is like, first of all, if, like, I'm making a joke, I'm, like, teasing you about something, right?
Charlamagne Tha God
And.
Eric Andre
And you go to me, hey, that kind of makes me feel uncomfortable. I'm never gonna tease you again because I don't want you to be uncomfortable, really, about that thing.
DJ Envy
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Charlamagne Tha God
She's lying.
Eric Andre
It's not a wig. That's not a wi. That's not a w. You trying to.
Lauren LaRosa
Win the black woman back? Huh?
Eric Andre
What?
Lauren LaRosa
Period?
Eric Andre
That's her real hair. Get out of here.
Lauren LaRosa
From the scout, baby.
Eric Andre
Oh, my God, that is beautiful.
Lauren LaRosa
Period. What you looking at over there?
Eric Andre
Yeah, what are you looking at over there?
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm not looking at nothing.
Lauren LaRosa
Thank you.
Charlamagne Tha God
That you bought. Okay, all right, all right.
Eric Andre
So. So what I'm saying is, like, I would never, like, if I. If I have a joke where I'm just, like, teasing you for an hour, and you're like, hey, that actually makes me feel uncomfortable. Like, my goal is not to make you feel uncomfortable, so I'll never tease you about that again. That doesn't mean I won't tease other people about that, but to you specifically, I won't. So if there's somebody at a comedy show and she, like, they're upset about something. Here's a perfect example. Girl at a comedy show. I was saying some joke about some topic. I forget exactly who it is. She gets up and starts to walk out, right? This is like, a little comedy club. And I'm like. I'm like, where you going? And she's like, I just. Just got to step out. I go, why? And she's like, oh, I just. I. I don't want to. I don't want to make it about me. I go, man, what's the deal? She goes, oh, it's just, like, the top topic. And some of the people in the audience started to, like, boo her for being, like. Like, offended or whatever. And I go, you know, don't boo her. She's doing what we all wish an audience member would do. She's going, hey, I feel uncomfortable. I don't want to affect everybody else's time here. I don't want to make this show about me. I'm just gonna step out. And I'm like, wow. Like, you're just, like, the most emotionally intelligent person in the room right there. I don't ever want to make her feel uncomfortable. Uncomfortable. So one on one, I'm not gonna do that. But I'm not Gonna stop joking around about a whole idea just because it makes one person uncomfortable.
Charlamagne Tha God
I used to watch go to Paul Mooney shows.
Eric Andre
Oh, my God.
Charlamagne Tha God
People would walk out of Paul Mooney shows all the time. And it was always white people. Yeah. They would always leave. They was offended. Like, I'm leaving. And they wouldn't make no noise about it. They would just get up and leave. And Paul would be like, oh, why are you leaving? Ah, it's not for me.
Eric Andre
Yeah, I mean, that's the perfect thing. If.
Charlamagne Tha God
If it's not for you, it's not for you. Be out.
Eric Andre
Exactly. But there might be someone who finds it fun, funny. So that's the tricky thing, where it's like, one individual shouldn't decide what everybody finds funny. But in terms of the thing you were talking about, like, yeah, if black women are upset at that thing that I said, yeah, you're totally allowed to be upset. This. There's this rule that, like, a lot of comics say, like, people aren't allowed to be offended. You're allowed to feel however you want to feel. Especially if you don't know me. Like, if you know me, you know my intentions. You're like, you know, I'm just trying to bust balls and, like, make a stupid joke. And maybe the joke wasn't that funny. But, like. Like, my intentions are always good. If you don't know me, you just see it. You're like, oh, the. Is this. So I'm not even upset at your response.
Lauren LaRosa
Like, that was my first take. And then we talked about it in the room, like, me and Charlotte. Because my first take was like, well, who is he to even like, you're welcome. Thanks for. We. We're welcoming you here.
Eric Andre
Yeah.
Lauren LaRosa
Be a guest.
Eric Andre
100.
Lauren LaRosa
But.
Eric Andre
Well, it was my pod.
Lauren LaRosa
But, yeah, I mean, but just in our world of, like, black women and what we deal with as far as tropes. But I will say, after watching the special and after, you know, having conversations with Charlotte, I'm like, I mean, a joke is a joke is a joke. Like, granted, some people are still gonna be upset. They probably be upset that I just said that. But it depends on the person, and you can't win. You gotta figure out where you. What line you gonna tread.
Eric Andre
I also think those. Those two dudes from the thing, like, they're in a tricky situation because, like, they. I think they had said that they didn't find women in Atlanta attractive. And I think a lot of black women in Atlanta were like, oh, shit. Are you trying to say you don't like, black women, right?
Lauren LaRosa
Don't get me started on them. They came out and apologized down, okay? They gave, like, five renditions of an apology, and they can still stay where they at.
Eric Andre
But.
Lauren LaRosa
And I think. But I think it's.
Eric Andre
People see, you have to learn. You see through the bullshit. Like, you know some sellouts when you see them. So it's not like it's. It's so they're trying to, like, position it. They try to put it on me. And some people fell for debate. Like, Ryan Clark fell for debate and, like, made a whole, like, clout moment out of it when he didn't even realize. Like, the thing you should be addressing is the two clowns that are basically saying black women are ugly and then laughing at the joke on the other podcast. So it's like, that's the issue, not the comedian making a joke about a hypothetical situation.
Lauren LaRosa
Well, we can move on after this. I will argue that all of you guys were a part of the problem in that moment, but I think, again, it's to each his own. I didn't like, though, that they threw it one way and didn't take accountability for the fact that, like, y'all were actively engaged. And it's fine if you wanted to do that.
Charlamagne Tha God
But he threw it all on shorts.
Lauren LaRosa
Oh, they were like, we should have. We should. We were uncomfortable. We just didn't want to say anything in the moment. We were just trying to get through. And it's like, y'all weren't laughing.
Eric Andre
Stop.
Lauren LaRosa
Y'all were not victims. Y'all.
Charlamagne Tha God
Y'all never saw us.
Lauren LaRosa
Y'all were actively engaged. Yes. Shut up. Y'all were actively engaged, and y'all were having a good time.
Eric Andre
I know they're not uncomfortable. The only time they're uncomfortable is around beautiful black women, obviously.
Charlamagne Tha God
Damn.
Lauren LaRosa
She works from Atlanta. Definitely.
Charlamagne Tha God
That is a good question, though. How has podcasting changed the way you approach. I guess comedy. And after, you know, these. These couple of recent situations, the situation. These are. Situation I saw. But how has it approached how you discuss things now?
DJ Envy
Do you care?
Eric Andre
Yo, it care is like, an interesting one. Like, I guess I could deal with people not liking me, because these things a lot of times are momentarily, like, they'll. They'll not like you for a few weeks, or they think they won't like you, then they'll move on to somebody else that they don't like, etc. So that's not really like, the big, big issue. You know, it's just. It is one of those things where I go, like, all right, If I'm, if I'm shooting and it's on something like, like if it's on something really wild, I want to make sure that I could. Ideally that shot is, Is amazing, you know, But I'm gonna fail. Like, you don't make funny jokes every single time. And I, and I like shooting. That means I'm gonna shoot and miss a lot, you know, But I, I just gotta basically understand that, like, there are gonna be people that don't know me and however they interpret me, I, I can't control that. Like, there are people that think I'm like some right wing maga. Lunatic. Lunatic. And I, I literally, as much as I would want them to be like, bro, you've never had a conversation with me. Like, you don't know anything about my life.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, you, yeah, you're just a lunatic.
Eric Andre
Exactly. So it's like you can't control how people, how people feel about you. And you just have to continue, at least to, in my opinion, just put out good art. And when I have the opportunity to put out like a good piece of art, like, hopefully the special does that. Like, hopefully. You see the most distilled version. We were talking about this yesterday. Like, you know, when he puts out a book, it's the most distilled version of his thoughts. And there's less fat for you to interpret in a shitty way. Right. When I'm on a pod just shooting the. There's tons of fat for you to interpret. When you see the special, I feel like you get a really distilled version of like, how I think and how I feel. If you get offended by something, the special, I could really live with that because I've worked hard to make it pierce through even like the sharpest armor or the most protective armor.
DJ Envy
And I do get that. I do also want to ask, do you still want to make love to Kendrick Lamar?
Eric Andre
I mean, like, honestly, it's hard to say no to that.
DJ Envy
You find him attractive?
Eric Andre
Yeah, man.
Lauren LaRosa
Did you see him in them Celine jeans? Them jeans?
Eric Andre
When I saw those jeans, I was like, boom bop beam bop boom bop bow.
Charlamagne Tha God
You gotta stop.
Eric Andre
Stop.
Charlamagne Tha God
Cut it out.
Eric Andre
Stop.
Charlamagne Tha God
Why'd you even ask him that?
Eric Andre
Stop. For real. They were really upset about that.
Charlamagne Tha God
That was a joke.
DJ Envy
But why do you think people got so.
Eric Andre
People made that racism so fast? I'm just saying he's little. Like, I hate having to explain jokes. He's itty bitty. So why is he telling. He's going to kill my. Telling people to kill my friends. The Biggest thing about this whole. That nobody. I didn't even care that he said this about, like, me not saying jokes like that to me is like, a million people said not say jokes. The next line where he goes. And to the N words that coon and the N words being groomed slide on both of them. What does slide mean to y'all?
Lauren LaRosa
Take you out. But that's because, I mean, ain't no explaining here.
Eric Andre
You say, kill my friends, everything after that is fine. You took it there. If you say kill my friends, because a lot of people thought that was Charlemagne and Alex Media. So if you go the next line, you tell your fans to kill my friends, you get made love to listen.
Charlamagne Tha God
I appreciate my friend trying to sneak up for me, but I don't think he was talking about us.
Eric Andre
But how are we supposed to know, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't say anything for weeks. That was the other thing. Like, people ran with these different narratives. They tried to act like, after what I said, I was worried about, like, getting death threats. And it's like, no, I was getting that the second they said it. For two weeks, I didn't say, I feel my special. I don't. I don't really give a. And then after that, I was like, yo, we're gonna have some fun with this. But I don't like this idea that, like, I'm this big bully. It's like, you told your people to kill my friends after you say that. Or that's the potential interpretation if somebody said in a rap song to kill your friends.
Lauren LaRosa
But do you understand, though, that he.
DJ Envy
That.
Lauren LaRosa
That was in response to him feeling like you came at what he would deem his friends or his people or people he's trying to protect. Talking about.
Eric Andre
So say, make fun of my friends.
Lauren LaRosa
But if you in the street, if you outside, you outside, you can't choose whether you out or in. It's like, you out or you in.
Eric Andre
Okay, so then if. If he wants to play by those rules, then don' Surprised at the response. That's what I'm saying. It feels like he's insider and outside.
Charlamagne Tha God
Plus, it's a weird matchup, right? Because you got a rapper, right, who's a prolific rapper, and then you got a comedian who's willing to say anything for the joke. So it's not even just like, what are we doing here?
Lauren LaRosa
I think it's because it's platforming. It's like people listen to you and your voice and your podcast. That's why that. That's why that stuff went so viral? Because you got the numbers. And then he has it too. So at the moment he's like, okay.
Charlamagne Tha God
How we know he wasn't talking about Gary Owens?
Eric Andre
That's a good point.
Charlamagne Tha God
We don't know. Gary was the first person to jump out.
Lauren LaRosa
I'm not about to.
Charlamagne Tha God
Gary was the first moment we knew.
Lauren LaRosa
Exactly what he was talking about because I heard and I knew exactly what he was.
Eric Andre
I didn't think it was. I didn't think it was me. I was like, why are you talking about me?
Lauren LaRosa
Because of the, the shits and giggles and all the laughs.
Charlamagne Tha God
I thought he was talking about Matt, right?
Lauren LaRosa
Black women.
Eric Andre
Yeah, maybe he was talking about Matt. Everybody kept saying he, he was talking about me. And I was like, what if he's talking about me and is he telling people to kill my friends? Well, I gotta do something about this.
DJ Envy
I gotta do something.
Eric Andre
I gotta do something. Like, I'm not a tough guy, you know, I'm a certified lover boy.
DJ Envy
Oh my God.
Charlamagne Tha God
But you're always going to be perceived as the bully cuz you're a white man.
Lauren LaRosa
Is that right? 100%.
Eric Andre
I just thought that's. Cuz Is that right?
Charlamagne Tha God
Like me. Oh, I thought you mean. Is that right? No, it's not what you mean.
Eric Andre
No, like, no, like, am I, am I bully? Like I, I just thought it was like, I don't think you a bully. I thought it's a size difference differential. That's what I thought.
Lauren LaRosa
No, it's a, it's a.
Eric Andre
You think there's a racial dynamic.
Lauren LaRosa
Duh.
Eric Andre
Yeah, I guess I didn't know.
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah, of course. And it's a privilege conversation. It's like what you can get on the plate. Like the shits and giggles guys, they had to apologize 60 times.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, you said something that's not as interesting. You said it's the privilege conversation. You know, we all can say whatever it is we want to say. You just got to be able to deal with the consequences. No matter if you black, white, Asian, whatever.
DJ Envy
Most people can.
Lauren LaRosa
Exactly. And most people don't have the platform. And they're not, they're not Teflon don like you. They don't have 15 years of the game they not picked up by Fox News and cnn Shade Room like you other. Other people. Right? Period.
Eric Andre
Everybody listen when he is a political tape. Everybody's listening.
Lauren LaRosa
He know that. He doesn't want to hear that.
Eric Andre
I just got a guy with glasses and a bow tie listening to every brilliant idiot podcast waiting for Charlemagne to Say one bad thing about the Democrats.
Charlamagne Tha God
Honestly, don't even think about stuff like that. But.
Lauren LaRosa
But it's the truth, though, because you have a platform that a lot of other people don't have. Kendrick Lamar has a platform. So he's like, I bet you gonna get outside, you gonna laugh, joke. Hehehaha. I'm outside for my women. From the black women and salute to Kendrick.
Charlamagne Tha God
Because Kendrick does what he wants to do and he gets rewarded for it. Like you can do that.
Eric Andre
This whole thing got blown out of proportion. Like, honestly, I think he's like, obviously a prolific rapper. He's, you know, he's. It's not my. The thing that I listen to all the time, but like, to say he's not, like, fantastic at what he does is ridiculous. And I have a lot of respect for anybody that puts something out for judgment. I think there are a lot of people who, like, they just make reaction. Content.
Lauren LaRosa
Right.
Eric Andre
So they don't really know what it's like to like, create a piece of art and put it out there in the world and let the world judge it.
Lauren LaRosa
They have to deal with that.
Eric Andre
That takes balls. And I admire people that have balls.
DJ Envy
Balls.
Charlamagne Tha God
Trump's trans executive orders.
Eric Andre
What'd he do?
Charlamagne Tha God
His executive orders. He got rid of trans.
Eric Andre
He got rid of trans what?
Charlamagne Tha God
Women.
Eric Andre
They not around anymore.
Charlamagne Tha God
Man and woman.
Eric Andre
But that is. That is. Yeah, that is how it is, though. Isn't that how it is every day?
Lauren LaRosa
The sun don't shine, but the sun still come up.
Eric Andre
Well, here's the thing. I think there are trans people.
DJ Envy
No, there. There are. But yeah, Trump doesn't recognize him.
Eric Andre
Yeah, but that. He's allowed to, like, you can't force me to recognize him.
Charlamagne Tha God
He's allowed to not believe. But that don't mean that it's not true. True, bro.
Eric Andre
I was watching Squid Game. If they didn't have the numbers, I don't know if I'm recognizing what. You know what I mean? Like, if they didn't number them, I don't know if I'm recognizing everyone. I don't know. I don't really know what I'm saying right now. Listen, let me apologize before an Asian rapper comes from me. Jen. I'm sorry.
Charlamagne Tha God
Salute to Jen. Jen hits me up all the time.
Lauren LaRosa
I get what you mean by the numbers now.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, God. Don't ever watch comedy.
Eric Andre
It took her two watches. Jesus Christ.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm gonna let her watch comedy.
Eric Andre
Oh, my God. I get it.
Lauren LaRosa
But wait, back to your special real quick. Wait, I was thinking, and I know, you and your wife have been together for some years, so this is like a hypothetical question for sure, or more of an ego question.
Eric Andre
I love it. Love it.
Lauren LaRosa
At any point when that was happening and you found out that it was your fault because of, you know, just your pride and your ego being hurt, did you ever feel like, man, what if she leaves me because I can't make this happen?
Eric Andre
Yeah. There's a part of you that goes through that. You're just like, will she not find me, like, as masculine or not find me attractive? Like, will something primally happen inside her?
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah.
Eric Andre
Where, like, she'll reject me because I can't do the thing we're put here to do. So you. Yeah. You immediately go through that, and then, like, that insecurity takes over, and then you're, like, more sensitive about certain things. If she's not being sweet one day, you're like, is that it? You know, did she. She stop. So this tears apart relationships. That's why I tell people, like, if you find out there's a problem, do I feel IVF immediately? Instead of, like, going through the emotional turmoil.
Lauren LaRosa
Right.
Eric Andre
That could break you guys up. But. But no, she's like, I mean, this is like a little thing in the special nobody would really understand or even probably catch. But, like, the first joke I make in the special is about this, you know, about. About guys who say, we're pregnant. Pregnant. And I was insulting the women. And then I say, yeah, it's like my wife. When my wife says that we made a lot of money. Right. The last piece of the special is when my wife is. Is saying, you know, when she thought that she lost the baby. And I'm apologizing. I'm like, I'm so sorry that this is my fault and you got to bear the burden. And she goes, you don't have problems. We have problems. We'll do it together. So it's this idea that, like, in this big. In the beginning, I'm having this really selfish thought of, like, I make the money in the house. And then when she's dealing with the toughest thing she's ever dealt with in her life, she's. That's my fault. She's still taking on some of it because we're together. So it's. Yeah. You find out who people are in these tough situations. I got a good one. I got a good one.
DJ Envy
What is your conversations like with fish? 50. I know, I know.
Eric Andre
50S. 50 is the goat.
DJ Envy
I know. He's. He loves you as a comedian. And I Know, you. You pull up for him, he pulls up for you. What. What's your conversation with him when all this is going on?
Eric Andre
I. Yo, I just. Yeah. Did he. Did I hit him up or. He hit me up or. We were trying to get him on the pod, and he's like, yeah, I'm pulling up. But, like, he's the type of person that, like, he is. Like, how do I explain it? It's like, you know how, like, in wrestling, whether the people are booing or cheering, like. Like, as long as they're making a sound, he's not afraid of anything. There are people that are probably, like, scared to do, like, credit Charlemagne, too. Like, Charlamagne could have easily been like, hey, the heat is on you, and they're gonna be upset at me doing a pod with you every single week. And he, yo, let's take a few weeks off.
DJ Envy
But he's been there before, so he understands.
Charlamagne Tha God
And that's not how I rock with my friends show stands by me, so why wouldn't I stand by him?
Eric Andre
Always. Always. But that's just. This is, like, this is real one. So he's the type person also who, like, he doesn't care what the trend is. So many people are, like, motivated and moved by the trend, and he's the type person. He don't give a. What the trend is. And so if. If there's, like, negative energy, you know, there's positive. He don't give a. He moves to the beat of his own drum. But I remember Charlemagne said a dope thing to me when. When I was going through that last one, and there was, like, people. There's even people in my community, like, comedians, like, saying some certain things about me. And Charlamagne was like, yo, this is actually good. You're going through this right now. I go, why? He goes, because you're about to hit another level, and the special comes out, and you got to pay close attention to who's hating now. I go, what do you mean? He goes, because whoever's hating now has been hating the whole time.
DJ Envy
Absolutely.
Eric Andre
But they. They didn't feel comfortable coming out. They were waiting for you to look wounded. It's like laws of the jungle, you know what I mean? Like, the line only attacks, like, the baby gazelle. Well, right. You know, and. And, like, I took note, bro. I got. I. Yeah, I got notes, and I can't wait for them to fail.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's right. The life is out right now.
DJ Envy
Right now.
Lauren LaRosa
Congratulations. It's number two. What is it? It's number Two. Last night when I watched it, it was still. Oh, but they said that was good.
Eric Andre
Which one?
Lauren LaRosa
I heard it was really good. I didn't watch it because I didn't want to mess your numbers up. I said I was gonna wait.
Eric Andre
Thank you. But no, I heard Running Point. Running Point is like. It's a global sensation. You know what I mean? It's. And that's Kate Hudson and Chet Hanks, and salute to them. Like, shout out to Chet. Man, that motherfucker's so funny. And. But yeah, we still got to knock them out. But, yeah, it was cool. We beat Bobby De Niro. Show where we at. Oh, my God. Beauty and Black. This has got to be your algorithm.
Charlamagne Tha God
Beauty and Black.
Eric Andre
Tyler Perry's Beauty in Black.
Charlamagne Tha God
Creepy and Black came back out.
Lauren LaRosa
It's number two. Now he's number three.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, no, no. You might be looking at the top 10. You gotta look at.
Lauren LaRosa
That's what I was looking at. That's what I was talking about. The top 10.
Charlamagne Tha God
You gotta look at what's trending. Right?
Eric Andre
No, top 10 works too. It's okay. We're gonna have a big weekend.
DJ Envy
Go out there, watch it this week, and I'm gonna check it out this week. And me and the wife gonna relax and watch it this week.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's the only way to watch it, by the way. If you got a wife, you and your significant other gotta watch it together.
Eric Andre
The fact that you guys went through it, I'm really curious your. Your perspective.
DJ Envy
But that's why we talk. That's why we talk about. That's why we make it our business to talk about it in the book. And we pot about it all the time. Cause so many people came up to us and was like, yo, we were dealing with the same thing. We felt like failures. And men came up to me on the side and was like, I thought it was just me. I don't know how to console my wife. But, I mean, once you get through that other side, you realize it makes you look at your child a whole lot different.
Eric Andre
Oh, dude.
DJ Envy
It just is, like. Cause it's the most precious thing in the world. And if you're able to have a child, you know, you hold that really, really close to your heart.
Eric Andre
Yeah, man.
DJ Envy
Well, thank you.
Eric Andre
Yeah, absolutely. And that's awesome you put in your book. I hope we destigmatize it. Like, I don't want people to feel ashamed of wanting to have a kid. A kid. And you should have that by any means necessary. Like, I feel like that's the Thing missing in the masculinity conversation. There's all these guys out there saying what it is to be a man. None of them got kids, you know?
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, the thing is this feminist arc.
Eric Andre
Say again?
Charlamagne Tha God
Is this gonna be your feminist?
Eric Andre
I've been a feminist, bro. I'm a proud girl, dad.
DJ Envy
That's right.
Charlamagne Tha God
I told you having a girl was gonna change you.
Lauren LaRosa
This is your baby girl.
Eric Andre
She's 13 months. 13 months. 13 months. Yeah. I've been trying to get you on a feminist for a while.
Charlamagne Tha God
I've been a feminist.
Eric Andre
I know. Ever since you got the press or whatever you got. Ever since you.
DJ Envy
Ever since you got anxiety. Jesus Christ.
Charlamagne Tha God
But I'm going be honest with you. They've gone too far. They've gone. I'm just having this conversation more. They've gone too far. Okay.
Eric Andre
I'm on my feminine C. You're in your masculine arc. You're back.
Charlamagne Tha God
You got to bring her back just a little. You got to bring.
Eric Andre
You got too scared of what?
Lauren LaRosa
Being a girl, dad.
Eric Andre
Oh, yeah. It's. Every day is terrifying, but it's also just like, the most beautiful, rewarding thing ever. Like, she just walks in the room, she's so excited, gives me, like, the big hug, and you're just like, ah, this is Nothing else is. Is important, even in life.
DJ Envy
All right, well, it's Andrew Schultz, ladies and gentlemen, and don't be a stranger just because little short, five foot two midget over here does you do a podcast, so you can still come up here.
Eric Andre
Okay, okay, okay, I'll come up. Thank you guys for always. Man, this is. This is legendary to be Andrew Schultz.
DJ Envy
It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Charlamagne Tha God
Wake that ass up early in the morning.
Eric Andre
The Breakfast Club.
Andrew Schultz
Hey, what's up, y'all?
Eric Andre
This is Eric Andre.
Andrew Schultz
Well, I made a podcast called Bombing about absolutely tanking on stage. I tell gnarly stories, and I talk to friends about their worst moments of bombing in all sorts of ways. Bombing on stage, bombing in public, bombing in life. I want to know what's the worst way they've ever bombed? Or have they ever performed way too drunk or high? Or was there ever a time where they thought they were going to crush and they stunk it up? Listen to Bombing with Eric Andre on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Eric Andre
Bombing. Bombing with Eric Andre.
Damien Herman
Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here?
Eric Andre
Ow. Go slower.
Damien Herman
From Blumhouse TV. Iheart podcasts and Ember 20 comes an all new fictional comedy podcast series. Join the flighty Damien Herman as he unravels the mystery of his vanished boyfriend. I've been spending all my time looking for answers about what happened to Santi and what's the way to find a missing person? Sleep with everyone he knew, obviously. Listen to the hookup on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
John Cameron Mitchell
This is John Cameron Mitchell and my new fiction podcast series, Cancellation island stars Holly Hunter as Karen, a wellness influencer who launches a rehab for the recently cancelled in the future we will all be cancelled for 15 minutes, but don't worry, we'll take you from broke to woke or your money back. Cancellation Island's revolutionary rehab therapies like bad touch football, anti racism spin class and mandatory Ayahuasca ceremonies are the designed to force the council to confront their worst impulses. But everything starts to fall apart when people start disappearing.
Lauren LaRosa
Karen, where have you brought us?
John Cameron Mitchell
Cancellation island, where a second chance might just be your last. Listen to Cancellation island on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hunter
I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I bite sized stories of missing and murdered black women and girls in America. Stories like Erica Hunt, a young mother vanished without a trace after a family gathering on 4th of July weekend 2016. No goodbyes, no clues, just gone. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
The Breakfast Club: Andrew Schulz Talks 'Life' Comedy Special, IVF Experience, Cancel Culture, Trump, KDot + More
Release Date: March 10, 2025
In this dynamic episode of The Breakfast Club, hosted by DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, and Charlamagne Tha God, comedian Andrew Schulz delves deep into his latest endeavors, personal struggles, and his views on contemporary societal issues. The conversation is rich with insights, humor, and candid reflections, providing listeners with a comprehensive look into Schulz's life and career.
Andrew Schulz begins by sharing his experiences in the comedy world, highlighting the grind and dedication required to succeed.
Charlamagne Tha God [02:49]:
"So how does that feel, that growth? And we actually seen the grind. So people can't just say it was overnight cause he's white."
Andrew Schulz [03:00]:
"It was a while. I remember the first time I came on the Breakfast Club. I think Charlamagne walked out within five minutes. I was so excited..."
Schulz emphasizes that his success wasn't instantaneous but the result of persistent effort and resilience. He recounts his early days, the challenges he faced, and how overcoming them shaped his comedic style.
A significant portion of the discussion revolves around cancel culture and its impact on comedians like Schulz.
DJ Envy [05:49]:
"We recently seen Damon Wayne said he's not going back out on the road because they will cancel you for everything. Oh, but you are somebody that don't give a F what you say, what people think. And why is that?"
Andrew Schulz [06:05]:
"I don't really care. But I think that the days of canceling are done. Like, I think..."
Schulz argues that the effectiveness of cancel culture has diminished, suggesting that audiences are more forgiving and discerning. He believes that comedians who stay authentic and true to their voice can navigate these challenges successfully.
Andrew delves into his personal journey with IVF and the emotional toll of infertility.
Lauren LaRosa [20:19]:
"But I had to watch it twice. I didn't hold you. No, I don't, like, celebrate it, but..."
Andrew Schulz [18:27]:
"I had to change one of the scripts. It was two. One of the guy. It got too gay."
Schulz candidly discusses the stigma surrounding infertility, especially for men, and how it influenced his comedic material. He shares how humor became a coping mechanism and a way to connect with others facing similar challenges.
The conversation shifts to politics, with Schulz sharing his interactions and opinions on former President Donald Trump.
DJ Envy [23:08]:
"The last taboo thing. And people are. Feel so Insecure about it because you don't want your partner to be embarrassed..."
Andrew Schulz [27:18]:
"I think the idea of Trump is always, he's a populist..."
Schulz recounts attempts to invite Trump to his podcast, highlighting the complexities and potential risks involved. He offers a nuanced perspective on Trump's leadership style, viewing him as a relatable figure despite his polarizing nature.
Schulz addresses the challenge of catering to a diverse audience while maintaining his comedic integrity.
Eric Andre [38:02]:
"I got the most diverse audience in comedy. It's not even close..."
Andrew Schulz [37:00]:
"I got the most diverse audience in comedy. It's not even close..."
He emphasizes the importance of understanding different cultural backgrounds and sensitivities. Schulz believes that humor can bridge divides when it's crafted thoughtfully, allowing diverse groups to feel seen and appreciated rather than alienated.
Podcasting emerges as a pivotal platform for Schulz in shaping his comedic narrative.
Andrew Schulz [44:19]:
"How has podcasting changed the way you approach comedy..."
Eric Andre [44:20]:
"Yo, it care is like, an interesting one..."
Schulz discusses how his podcasting ventures have provided him with creative freedom, enabling him to experiment with content that might not fit traditional television formats. This medium allows for deeper, more nuanced conversations and a direct connection with his audience.
Towards the end of the episode, Schulz reflects on his growth as a comedian and the evolution of his comedic style.
Lauren LaRosa [15:15]:
"But so having those boundaries and then you saying you look back at your old tape, you weren't as funny..."
Andrew Schulz [16:21]:
"Yeah, I agree. And people will give you that liberty..."
He acknowledges the balance between pushing boundaries and respecting audience sensibilities. Schulz believes that well-crafted jokes, especially those grounded in personal experiences, resonate more profoundly and stand the test of time.
The episode concludes with Schulz sharing glimpses into his personal life, including his relationship with his wife and father.
DJ Envy [21:31]:
"My dad comes home, but he never mentions it..."
Andrew Schulz [53:10]:
"Yeah, there's a part of you that goes through that. You're just like, will she not find me..."
These personal anecdotes humanize Schulz, showcasing the vulnerabilities and insecurities that lie beneath his comedic exterior. His openness fosters a deeper connection with listeners, highlighting the intersection of personal struggle and public persona.
Andrew Schulz [03:00]:
"It was a while. I remember the first time I came on the Breakfast Club..."
Charlamagne Tha God [10:14]:
"But you ended up that, that was risky because you was giving away your bread and butter..."
Andrew Schulz [14:58]:
"But at the same time, it's like I was writing so much..."
DJ Envy [35:45]:
"But why do you think people got so..."
In this insightful episode, Andrew Schulz offers a multifaceted view of his life, blending humor with heartfelt honesty. From navigating the challenges of cancel culture and personal infertility struggles to engaging in political discourse and embracing the evolving landscape of comedy through podcasting, Schulz demonstrates resilience and adaptability. His ability to connect with a diverse audience while maintaining his authentic voice underscores his significance in the modern comedy scene. For listeners seeking both laughs and meaningful conversation, this episode of The Breakfast Club is a must-listen.