INTERVIEW: Da’Vinchi Talks 'Mary J. Blige's Family Affair,' GloRilla Pregnancy Rumors, BMF Vs. Power + More

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Breakfast Club – Interview with Da’Vinchi

Release Date: January 21, 2025

Introduction

In this compelling episode of The Breakfast Club, hosted by DJ Envy and Charlamagne tha God, the spotlight shines on actor and comedian Matt Rogers, popularly known as Da’Vinchi. The discussion delves deep into Matt’s multifaceted career, his roles in significant television series, his views on media representation, mental health advocacy, and personal insights into his life and relationships.

Career Journey: From Comedy to Acting

Matt Rogers recounts his unconventional path into the entertainment industry. Initially engaged in keynote speaking and mental health advocacy, Matt’s natural comedic flair led friends to encourage him to explore comedy as a means to build confidence in public speaking. “I just started hosting it, and I started developing a love for it,” Matt shares (03:07). His foray into comedy saw him performing across 15 cities last year and planning to expand further this year.

Transitioning from comedy to acting, Matt discusses his early experiences in Brooklyn and Florida, highlighting the pivotal moments that shaped his career. “I was like, bro, this is crazy. I'm not trying to perpetuate this,” he notes (06:18), expressing his desire to move beyond the stereotypical roles often assigned to Black actors.

Representation and Media Stereotypes

A significant portion of the conversation centers around the portrayal of Black individuals in media. Matt emphasizes the detrimental stereotypes perpetuated over decades, tracing their origins back to historical contexts like the Reconstruction era and films like Birth of a Nation. “We have to be a good representation of us because we are not looking too good,” he asserts (10:38). The hosts and Matt discuss the transition from positive representations in the '90s—such as The Cosby Show and Living Single—to the more negative depictions in contemporary media, particularly in reality television.

Matt challenges the narrative by highlighting his role in BMF and how it reflects true stories rather than fictional stereotypes. “If you watch art, but if it's a true story about Black people,” he explains (34:06), advocating for a nuanced portrayal that acknowledges the complexities within the community.

Mental Health and Therapy Advocacy

Matt opens up about his journey with mental health, attributing his advocacy to the influence of friends and a supportive community. “The people that were around me, they hold me accountable,” he shares (21:36). He discusses the stigma associated with seeking therapy, especially within certain religious communities, and how embracing both spirituality and professional mental health support has been transformative. “When you go there, it kind of humbles you and it allows you to see yourself from a third-party perspective,” Matt remarks (23:31).

BMF Role and Its Impact

Discussing his role in the critically acclaimed series BMF (Black Mafia Family), Matt highlights the challenges and responsibilities of portraying real-life figures involved in significant historical events. “If you watch an action film where someone’s stabbing people 57,000 times, do you think I'm going to do that?” he questions (34:06), defending his choice to participate in stories that are true to life and serve as cultural reflections rather than glorifications.

Matt reflects on his interactions with real-life individuals associated with the BMF narrative, emphasizing the authenticity and respect he brings to his role. “He brought zoo animals in the club for a party... That’s a real dude,” Matt acknowledges (35:47), illustrating the blend of dramatic storytelling with genuine character experiences.

Personal Life and Relationships

Towards the end of the episode, Matt touches on his personal life, including rumors and public perceptions. Addressing the widespread speculation about his relationship with GloRilla, Matt clarifies, “That was for the video... It’s my dog,” dismissing false narratives with humor (20:37). The conversation also touches on the complexities of maintaining personal relationships amidst fame, with Matt emphasizing his need for genuine connections and support systems outside the entertainment sphere.

Future Projects and Aspirations

Looking ahead, Matt expresses enthusiasm for future roles that resonate deeply with his heritage and personal interests. He dreams of portraying figures from significant historical movements, such as Toussaint Louverture in the Haitian Revolution. “They created their own language... It’s a real Marvel superhero to Black people,” he enthuses (45:17), underscoring his commitment to roles that inspire and educate.

Conclusion

This episode of The Breakfast Club offers an insightful look into Matt Rogers’ life and career, highlighting his dedication to authentic representation, mental health advocacy, and meaningful storytelling. Through candid conversations and thoughtful reflections, Matt articulates the importance of overcoming stereotypes and embracing one’s true self in the pursuit of personal and professional fulfillment.

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Notable Quotes:

• Matt Rogers (03:07): “I just started hosting it, and I started developing a love for it.”
• Matt Rogers (06:18): “I'm not trying to perpetuate this.”
• Matt Rogers (10:38): “We have to be a good representation of us because we are not looking too good.”
• Matt Rogers (21:36): “The people that were around me, they hold me accountable.”
• Matt Rogers (23:31): “When you go there, it kind of humbles you and it allows you to see yourself from a third-party perspective.”
• Matt Rogers (34:06): “If you watch art, but if it's a true story about Black people.”
• Matt Rogers (35:47): “He brought zoo animals in the club for a party... That’s a real dude.”
• Matt Rogers (20:37): “That was for the video... It’s my dog.”
• Matt Rogers (45:17): “They created their own language... It’s a real Marvel superhero to Black people.”

Final Thoughts

Matt Rogers’ interview on The Breakfast Club underscores the critical role of authentic storytelling and representation in media. His experiences and insights offer valuable perspectives on navigating the entertainment industry, advocating for mental health, and challenging long-standing stereotypes. This episode is a testament to Matt’s resilience and commitment to making a positive impact both on and off the screen.

Transcript

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[Matt Rogers]

This is Matt Rogers from Lost Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

[Lauren L. Harris]

Save the date for your cordially invited, a hilarious new wedding comedy starring Will Ferrell and Reese Witherspoon. Chaos ensues when two weddings are accidentally.

[Matt Rogers]

Booked on the same weekend at the same venue.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Uh oh.

[Lauren L. Harris]

Will Ferrell plays the father of the bride and Reese Witherspoo the sister of the other bride, and they go head to head to make sure the ones they love get their special day together.

[Matt Rogers]

On screen for the first time ever, it's Feral versus Witherspoon.

[Lauren L. Harris]

Chaos comedy and alligator wrestling await you.

[Matt Rogers]

And you're cordially invited.

[Lauren L. Harris]

Watch January 30th on Prime Video.

[Matt Rogers]

Wake that ass up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Early in the morning, the Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy.

[Matt Rogers]

Jess.

[DJ Envy]

Hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lauren laros is filling in for Jesse. And we got a special guest in the building.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, indeed.

[DJ Envy]

We got the brother, Da Vinci. Welcome.

[Matt Rogers]

Appreciate you guys for having me.

[DJ Envy]

How you feeling, man?

[Matt Rogers]

I'm feeling great, man.

[DJ Envy]

Feeling good.

[Matt Rogers]

Good to be here.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's crazy. Jess not even here, and she been saying we need to get Da Vinci up here for. Forever for. She been up here.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She not even here.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, damn, that's my dog. I love Jess.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How you know Jess? Just from the Instagram.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, Instagram. And running into her, like, I went to a few of her comedy shows. I started doing comedy. So it's like I've watched a bunch of comedians. Every time I go watch her live, I'm like, bro, she's good. Yeah, she's actually great. She understands the art of it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Absolutely.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Da Vinci]

How do you just start doing comedy? Like, what made you. Because that's not easy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who told you you're funny?

[Matt Rogers]

Ah, no, I started doing a lot of speaking, right. Because mental health stuff and different type of keynote speaking and moderating here and there. And when I was doing that, like, you know, the audience, they would laugh a lot. And in my family, like, you know, I joke around, I bullshit a lot with my friends and stuff like that. So someone was like, yo, I think you should start doing comedy because it's going to build a different type of confidence for speaking. And I was just like, all right, bet. Let me just, you know, give it a try. So I just started hosting it, and I started developing a love for it. Oh. And I started developing a love for it. And with that, I just, you know, last year I did, like, 15 cities. This year, I started off with one. I'm probably going to do like, 12 more. And, I mean, it's fun. I feel like I'm already an anomaly. By the grace of God, you know, I made it out in my situation. It's like, why not just try, like, whatever at this point, you know?

[Charlamagne tha God]

So when you were on stage, like, you know, doing your mental health advocacy, you was telling, like, your story.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

About things that you're going through.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And people thought it was funny.

[Matt Rogers]

Nah, nah, nah. The way I would break it down and the analogies that I use to have people, especially our community, grasp the concept of mental health is. So I make it in a way that is just digestible, you know what I'm saying? And then in doing that, you know, people are laughing and I'm like, you know what? What if I, like, try to, like, hit the stage and, like, just even drag it out some more?

[Charlamagne tha God]

That makes sense. I mean, you know, they always say comedy. They say tears of a clown, right? So it's like one thing about black people. We know how to turn our trauma into something that either people can learn from or people can be entertained.

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

But let's go back for most people that don't know who da Vinci is or probably seen you, but don't know the name. How did you get into the acting business? I'm sure people know you from Power. Well, from bmf.

[Matt Rogers]

How did you get. That's crazy.

[DJ Envy]

How did you get into.

[Da Vinci]

It's the same beef.

[DJ Envy]

I know. It's the same block.

[Matt Rogers]

It's the same block, though. But how did y'all get.

[DJ Envy]

How did you get into acting? I know you started off as a rapper, so break the people down. Where you from, how you started and your journey.

[Matt Rogers]

Bet that. Bet that. So I'm from Brooklyn, and I was in Brooklyn. Then my mom moved to Jersey. My parents split up, and so I was like, Orange and Newark area, and then back and forth between Brooklyn and Newark. I was getting in trouble a lot, and I moved to Florida, and then I got arrested, and my dad was like, yo, I gotta keep him. I was just a badass kid, just following the people in my environment, the people around me. And when I was in Florida, I went to all white high school, and that kind of changed my life. That changed my perspective on life. I was seeing things that I never really saw before. So it really just started developing my brain in a different way. And then afterwards, when I went to college, at one point, my brother was like, bro, like, you should. We should really, like, try this, like, rapping shit and this entertainment shit. I'm like, bro, that's impossible. What school you went to? What college? I went to college. Central Florida.

[DJ Envy]

Central Florida.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay. Yeah. And I was like, bro, this is bullshit. This is not gonna, like, be a real thing or whatever. And I was like, you know what? Whatever, I'm gonna try it. And I moved back up north, my mom's. And Gloria Carter. Shout out to her. Jay Z's mother. She had this Diamonds in the rough. I don't know if you guys ever. Yeah, the group. No, the Foundation. Yeah.

[Da Vinci]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And it's like a little restaurant thing, foundation. Oh, it was in Newark. Yeah, in Newark.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Jamaican spot.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. Yep, exactly. It was Caribbean food. Yeah, in Newark. Yeah, yeah, yep, yep. So mad people would come there. And every Thursday she had this open mic thing. So I got discovered from there. So I was like rapping, doing music there. And then I was in the studio, I was recording a lot. But then after a certain point, I was like starting to lose love from it for it. Cause you know, it was one thing when you're on the outside looking in, but then when you really start getting into business and you see what they're promoting, what they're pushing you, the direction that they're pushing you towards, I'm like, bro, I'm not trying to perpetuate this. Like, this is really, like, people take this serious, you know? So I was like, damn, I don't like this. At the same time I was told, like, you should start acting too, because it's going to help with stage presence. So I started acting. Shout out to Mark John Jeffries. He was the one, the boy from Losing Isaiah. And he played 50 and get rich and die triangles and lil Cs. And he was teaching this acting class in New York. And I was like, yo, let me take it. And I started taking it. And then I started meeting people. Shout out to Lil Mama. Cause she was the one like, yo. She was like, yo, come to la. Like, you should be my manager. Ah, Ah. Then the rest was just history. And then by the grace of God, I just started booking consistently.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Lil Mama wanted you to be her manager?

[Matt Rogers]

No, no, no. She was like, yeah. She was like, nah, come to. Yeah. She was like, come to LA and meet my manager. She was like, yo, you talented. You speak different languages, you rap, you do this and that. And I was just like, bro, she ain't gonna want to sign me. And she was like, bro, just go. And I went. And you know, I just started booking consistently.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How was the all white high school? What did that do for you other than cause you to lose your virginity?

[Matt Rogers]

Jesus. Nah, nah, it was. It was crazy. Cause you started realizing, like, how broken the environment and the community that I was in was, you know what I'm saying? And then when I went there, you know, people was judging me based off, like, they was judging my intellect based off how I spoke English. Like, you know, I remember one time I was talking to this one other black dude in my class and I was like, yo, nigga, you weak. And she was like, you weak is your Weak. Y o U possibly. I was like, damn. And like she made this big scene in front of class and I was like, she corrected you on that with.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Not calling her niggas.

[Matt Rogers]

Right, right, exactly, exactly, exactly right. That was crazy. But anyway, I was like, bro, that's all vernacular. Like we choose to speak like this cause you know, cause our environment. But I could speak properly if I want to. But then I started realizing I'm like, yo, around these white folks. Like I gotta change how I speak. And I just started educating myself and I started reading books and I just started changing a lot because I was like in this environment, like my upbringing, it ain't conducive here. It ain't serving me here. Like I'm just like a criminal, you know. So it changed me a lot. And then I had teachers that believed in me more. Like up north, one of my teachers, they told me, literally, I swear, she was like, most of y'all are gonna end up dead in jail.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This is at Dwight.

[Matt Rogers]

No, no. Yeah, up north. Yep. In Jersey, actually. And I should shout out to school, but I ain't gonna do it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But she was shout out to teaching.

[Matt Rogers]

The teacher, her name was actually Ms. Dixon, but she was like, yeah, most of y'all gonna end up or in the army or like at a dead end job. And I mean, she wasn't lying because that is what happened that day.

[Da Vinci]

That what got her to that.

[DJ Envy]

Because we was just acting up and close.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, we was like, I was bad as hell.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So you ain't say that now. You gotta get some content.

[Matt Rogers]

But the thing is though, it's like she still could have been more positive because we was just, we don't know, we just kids, you know what I'm saying? But when I was in Florida, like I remember I had this teacher, like I was in a, like a slower math class when I first got there and she was just like, yo, you're so smart. Like you could really like, like pass all this shit. And I passed all my tests. And she was like, you need to be an algebra honors. I was like, what? I was like, I'm not gonna do that. And I went from having D's and F's to graduate high school with a 4.1 GPA.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wow. To your point about the teacher, the teacher could have said, hey, if y'all don't change y'all lifestyle, if you don't change the way you're acting, then you're going to end up. That's how I was always.

[DJ Envy]

But did she say that and because sometimes you only hear what you want to hear. All you hear is, y'all ain't gonna be shit. But you ain't missed the first part, which is like, if y'all don't change, y'all ain't gonna be shit.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Nah, you probably right. She probably did say that, but I just heard, like, something. I was like, damn. I was like, I bet. I hope she have a TV now.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What you said about the school, how would you got a TV now? You know, Steve Harvey allegedly sends one of his. I think it's an old teacher, somebody that told me he would never make it in tv. So he sends them a TV every year since.

[DJ Envy]

A new tv.

[Matt Rogers]

Allegedly. I don't know if that's true, but that's a dude that's hard. That's a lot of money, though.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But what you said about the code switching is real, because a lot of times they try to give people flack for code switching, but it's not that you code switching. Sometimes you just don't want to reinforce negative stereotypes.

[Matt Rogers]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Black people.

[Matt Rogers]

Exactly, exactly. And I feel like we perpetuate that enough with the media. Like, we got some. Some of us got to be a good representation of us because we. We not looking too good.

[Da Vinci]

Identity wise, though, like, going from your neighborhood and what you were used to then to this new school and. And feeling that way, like, yo, I gotta kind of switch it up a little bit. How did. Because you still growing up at the same time, right? Who were you talking to about, like, what your identity as a man should be? Because that's such a hard place to be and where you're trying to. You're over here, but you come from this. You got family that are still, you know, back in your old neighborhood. Like, what was that journey like?

[Matt Rogers]

I think, honestly, I was just. By the grace. I was just going through the motions, you know what I'm saying? So I really didn't have, like, a figure to look towards as, like, an identity for a man. I was just. I mean, my older brothers, like, I'm the baby. So my oldest brother, like, shout out to him, damn. Like, he basically, like, raised us, you know, until I went to my pops. But, you know, I guess that was my idea of a man. And he was like this high school phenom basketball player. So he was. He really was that father figure. So I looked up to him for real, like, as much as, like, what. What a man should be. But the rest is, honestly, it's by the grace of God. Like, I'm super fortunate. Like, I'm well aware that I'm not supposed to be here or really, like, able to express myself, be disarticulate. Because the amount of feedback that I receive from people, I'm like, damn, why I so shocked? I'm like, oh, that's because they looking at the numbers like, this shouldn't happen. You know? So it's just.

[Charlamagne tha God]

God, that's. God, that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, I don't care about no statistics. You know what I'm saying? I don't care what you tell me. You can tell me I'm one of 40 million or this many people from my hood ended up like this. What that got to do with me, right? You know?

[Matt Rogers]

No, that's facts. He's a product of grace.

[DJ Envy]

Okay, now, I was gonna say, do you remember the first show you booked?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Marvel Jessica Jones.

[DJ Envy]

How was that? Tell us that story.

[Matt Rogers]

I love that show. Yeah, I was scared to tell. I was just like. It was two weeks after I signed with an agency, and I remember, like, my manager calling me at the time, and she was like, hey. She was like, hey, you booked it. And I was just like, what? And she was like, yo, you actually booked it.

[DJ Envy]

You actually booked it.

[Matt Rogers]

I was like, stop playing. I was like. And I just remember being shocked, and I just felt like Will Smith in that Pursuit of Happiness moment. I was just in the Bronx walking from the gym, the Crunch Gym. And I was just like, bro, this is crazy. I'm like, Brian telling no one this right now.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Refresh my memory. What part did you play? I used to watch all of the Marvel.

[Matt Rogers]

So I was this. This. This guest star. Basically, this scientist. She. My dad was like, a scientist. And when I was born, my face was, like, disfigured and shit like that. And then he took me to some lab and then fixed it. And then Jessica Jones was trying to find out how did that happen? And she was trying to get to my dad. So she got to me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

And then. Yeah, so then she had to, like. She used her super strength and shit. And I was, like, acting like she was mad strong. I was like, bro, this is crazy. And the scene took, like, eight hours. I was like, bro, this shit is long.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Nah, I used to watch. I used to watch Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Daredevil. I watched all of them.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, damn. Oh, he was hitting.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Now you on the Mary J. Blige Family Affair series. The third installment of the series is. What is it called? Family Affair.

[Matt Rogers]

Family Affair. Yeah. Family Affair.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How's it been doing that?

[Matt Rogers]

That's been great. Honestly, that's probably one of my most favorite projects, only because it was a role that had nothing to do with being black. It was just existing. You know what I'm saying? And it promotes the family nucleus, you know, in the black community specifically. I feel like a lot of us, you know, we promote things that is to our demise and to our destruction. So to be a part of a project so early in my career, you know, that is promoting, you know, what. What happens when having a family. The sacrifices that's being made and stuff like that. I'm like, bro, that's fire, bro. Cause it's. It's done in a way that I feel like, you know, some kids watching this at home probably like, yo, I want that one day, you know, because we got so much content and material that is doing a complete opposite. So to play something like this is like, bro, I feel like God is, like, smiling down, like, yeah, good job, bro.

[Da Vinci]

And when I watched it all, I kept thinking to myself is like, man, he loves her so much. Like, you're Ben. Yeah, Ben, not me. Well, you know what I mean? In the movie, some people don't.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, for real.

[Da Vinci]

That happens where people.

[Matt Rogers]

Hell, yeah. People be watching them. Like, yo, bro, I feel like you like her. Really? I'm like, no, bro, I'm like, I'm doing my job, man.

[Da Vinci]

Like, yeah, well, as an actor in the. In the Family Affair, watching it, I was like, wow, he loves her so much. But there were times, I mean, y'all had. There was a lot that y'all had to deal with. Like, I don't want to give it away, but as an EP on the project. Because you're ep, right? On the project, are you an involved ep, where you're making those decisions to show? Like, it was, like, subtle moments. Like, one time, I think I went to a restaurant and she didn't order something, and you noticed, and you're like, what's wrong? Because you didn't order. Blah, blah, blah, little stuff like that. Are you being like, oh, we should do that as an ep, or is.

[Matt Rogers]

That coming from somewhere else, that adjustment? No, but a lot of things. Like, yeah, I definitely. Behind the scenes, I'm like, guys, we can't put this out. I'm like, bro, this is not. This don't really happen. And a lot of times it was dope. Cause they gave us the creative freedom to say certain things. Because oftentimes stories like this, a different race is heavily involved. There's Caucasian producers that really don't really know some of the intricate details what happened in the black community. So they really sat back a lot of times. It was very collaborative. Shout out to the producers, John, Jordan, Davis, Jeremy, and everyone. Bruce and everyone. Mary, of course. Like, all of them. So it was fire. Cause I was really able to be like, nah, guys, nah. This is gonna send the wrong message. And they listened. I was like, yo, this is crazy. Like, what? Like, people don't even know. Like, I really influenced that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Before you was in the business, did you pay attention to the images of black people on television? Because I've heard you mention that a few times.

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

And I thought it was very disrespectful, personally. Like, you know, a lot of times when you meet Europeans or white people, that's really not exposed to black people in this country that have this preconceived notion that we're, like, very ignorant. Like, the amount of times that people like, oh, man, you're so young and you speak so well. In particular, I'm like. As opposed to what? I'm like, yeah. I'm like, bro, it's like, because it's that many people. That is like. Because oftentimes what we do. And I've been watching. Because I've been watching y'all for a while and different things, I'd be like, bro, it's like they be asking the right questions to the wrong people sometimes. And then they say something like, oh, my God, now the world think that's how we all think. And I'm like, no, give me an example. Hell, nah, Nah. That was a good conversation. That was a good one. But it's just like. I'm like, bro, you having people answer certain questions about politics and they don't know shit about it or certain things about. I'm just like, important things. I'm like, bro. And I'm not trying to sit here and say, I know everything. It's okay to say, I don't know. I'd be like, bro, I don't have enough information on this. I'm not about to just give the wrong information. But, you know, and when that happens a lot or the content and, like, I mean, we're looked at as violent as fuck. People are scared of us, boy. Like, I. Bro, our stereotypes is just. It's crazy. And we're perpetuating the hell out of it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. You're absolutely right. But this. That's something that was designed since the beginning.

[Matt Rogers]

That's true.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. It's not even about this modern day era of media that we're in. Like, literally, the big black man has been the villain in history forever.

[Matt Rogers]

Right, Right. And to justify slavery and racism and all this stuff towards black people. But I just feel like we don't have to perpetuate it. You know what I'm saying? But a lot of times it's like, because during the Reconstruction era, that little short 12 years, we were outpacing white people really fast in this country. And then that's when the whole concept of black people are da, da, da, da. And they started just tarnishing our image and making us look like the most feared thing on planet Earth. Right? But then it's just like. And now the only ways we get famous, I mean, the only way we get successful is usually like a situation that's just such an anomaly, you know, like, for every. Like, I love 50. I love HOV I love. But like, for every 150, for every one HOV, you know, how many millions getting locked up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm like, that shit's a. You know, that's crazy. Like, or for every one. LeBron, like, to be a LeBron. Burnett's.00. God only make a handful of big niggas that can move like that, you know? And so many people, like, really think they can be that. I'm like, bro, like, you got your priorities fucked up. Like, you're going after something that is far from the majority. Like, you're going after something that is pure favor and grace and that's in favor. That's a supernatural advantage that God gave you to really fulfill his will and his job. So it was like, that's not something that you could really bank on, bro. You know, and it's just like. But you got like, we're banking on these things, which is like, crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You're not wrong, though. It is intentional. You ever seen that old movie? It's old, though. Like Dumbo called Birth of a Nation. And it showed all of the black people and basically they were elected officials and they were like, you know, eating chicken with their feet and licking their fingers. Like, it was just. That's where actually the negative stereotype of chicken came from. But they did that because they wanted to show this is what happens if you put black people in politics. And this was like in the 40s, I think it was. So it's absolutely intentional. And I always think about, like after the 90s because we didn't. We grew up on in a very positive Era. And we had great representation of us. Great music, too, on TV and music.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So you had the Cosby show in the Different World, and the Martins and the Living Singles and the Girlfriend. Like, all of these shows showed black people just being great working class.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Americans. And it was like. It was like. It was like an intentional shift to reality television.

[Matt Rogers]

Right. Why do you think that is, Charlamagne?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't. I ask Everybody from the 90s that question. Like, I asked, like, Michael, Jamal, one is up here. Eric Alexander.

[DJ Envy]

I asked him that because it wasn't, like.

[Matt Rogers]

It wasn't successful.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It was super successful.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Cosby show was the number one show on television. Different World was number two. So it's like, how does that happen? It was intentional.

[Matt Rogers]

And, you know, I think y'all know something. Y'all just not seeing it.

[Da Vinci]

I just got here. I don't know nothing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Tell me what you think.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I just started this business, man. I'm trying to make my money.

[Da Vinci]

Exactly.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm trying to make my points. Yeah. If I start really doing. If I start really doing comedy on, like, a whole nother level, start touring, you know what I'm saying? Making some M's, like, from touring. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

20 million in the bank.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. I'll start. I'll tell you the truth. I think I know exactly what's going. No, I'm playing. I don't. I don't.

[DJ Envy]

Well, congratulations, too.

[Matt Rogers]

Appreciate you.

[DJ Envy]

You and Glorilla. Heard you got her pregnant and, you know, did the nice, cute photo shoot and all that. That was pretty dope.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Yeah. GLOW is funny as hell, yo. She is so famous.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You ain't denied that one. You denied. When Lauren bought up, whoever she bought up.

[Matt Rogers]

You ain't denied glow.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You ain't say that. I was just acting.

[Da Vinci]

You say her name? Ayanna? No.

[Matt Rogers]

Asiana. That's my dog. That's my dog.

[Da Vinci]

But the GLOW thing, I mean, it was for the video, right?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, of course it was for the video. GLOW is so famous, bro. It's crazy. People was coming up to me in the street saying, oh, that's glow's baby daddy. I'm like, first of all, Jesus, like, I've been in this shit longer than glow's been around. And then second of all, like, other people was coming up to me saying, oh, my God, you done trapped my girl.

[Da Vinci]

You didn't wanna leave me. It's not real.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. And it was like, yeah. And they was thinking, I trapped glow. I'm like, yo, I make, like, a good, like, salary Like, I've been making good money. Like, before GLOW even came into this, I'm like, and you're saying I trapped her? That's crazy. Her following is, like, legit, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Are you gonna put a ring on her or you just gonna keep.

[DJ Envy]

Are they gonna have more kids?

[Matt Rogers]

Nah, that's my. I don't think GLOW want kids. GLOW is focused on career right now. That's priority.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who introduced you to just, you know, therapy and mental health? Like. Like, who told you, like, you know, you need to go out there and do some work on yourself? Or did you have people around you that was doing it and you decided to do it?

[Matt Rogers]

I think. I think it's my boys like that. You know, I got some friends that, you know, are strong believers in the Bible. Like, whether it's. They're conservative Christian, they're Pentecostal, Jehovah Witness, things like that. And in the conversations that we have, oftentimes when I'm talking to them, it's like they hold up a reflection in my face. And it's really good, because a lot of times with certain spiritual things, it's like you could only see yourself spiritually. Just like you can only see yourself physically through a mirror or if somebody's telling you there's some way for it. If I'm telling you there's some way for it, and there's no mirrors ever around. You gotta trust what I say. So there's certain things that only another person can see that's in your soul. So I think I've been fortunate enough to be around people that, you know, they hold me accountable. You know what I'm saying? If I'm acting a certain way or if I'm just not. If I'm just being too fleshly, they bring that to the forefront. Which forced me to go to therapy at one point. I was like, bro, you could just do it. And I was like, man, nah. Because I grew up with. Oh, geez. Where it's just like. They call that shit all type of soft, weak names.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All them niggas needed.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, exactly. Every single one they needed the most, right? And then I went. I went there. And then, you know, just thinking about certain things in my childhood and that, the way they was breaking that down and bringing it up, I was like, yo, I'm like, bro, we all need this. And it's like a superpower. It's like the first time I feel like you ever just look at yourself in the mirror, get a haircut and brush your teeth. That's what it do spiritually to you. Like a lot of people walking around like, bro, they like, they're so unaware of what's going on. And the ironic thing is they think they know so much. It's like the people that's just so far from themselves and from reality, they got the biggest opinions and know so much. But you know, I feel like when you go there, it kind of humbles you and it allows you to see yourself from like a third party perspective. And it's healing, man, we need that.

[Da Vinci]

In the family affair, you deal with your brother who has mental like health issues himself, and you try to help him through that. He stops taking his meds. It's a bunch of stuff that happens. But then also you start having your own like, struggles because you have a lot of pressure. I remember the first scene when you're in your office and it's like an anxiety attack. And I recognize it as an anxiety attack because we talk about it a lot. But do you have people reaching out to you? I guess it didn't air yet. Nevermind, scratch that question. In you doing that, does it trigger anything for you because you had to go through therapy yourself? I'm assuming you dealt with some stuff that was heavy. Kind of like with your character Ben, deal with like, did any of that trigger you?

[Matt Rogers]

Definitely, definitely. Like I. My life at home is like, it's a tough one. Like, you know, my brothers, my brothers go through it and they're going through it and my family have gone, like they're going through it currently, you know, so there's definitely a lot of pressure, you know, that, that movie in a way was kind of mirroring like some real stuff in life. But yeah, I just, I just try to keep good people around to just help carry me and lift me up. But yeah, it's a lot going on back home and usually when you're the one that like, you know, you make it out, so to speak, it's like it is a blessing and a curse, you know, because then you start speaking a language that nobody around you understand anymore. And it's like it's. You're speaking everything but English. And it's the most frustrating thing because it's like you watch the way you could help somebody. They're asking you for advice, but then the things that you're saying, they're not even taking it. And you're just like, it's almost gonna drive you into insanity when you're the only one that makes that. And then you're forced to create an extended family. Thank God, that we can meet people and have this family, but at the same time, you're just receiving so much shit from back home that it's like, it's, it's such a up thing. Like, it's like it's not what it's all cracked out to be. It's, it's a blessing because yeah, you're financially free, but like you've been tasting this financial freedom, but you've been also building yourself in a prison simultaneously. And you're like, damn, the new year.

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[DJ Envy]

When do you separate though? When do you say, you know what, Sometimes I gotta step away so I can be free mentally.

[Matt Rogers]

That's why I got a lot of dogs and I go in there, I go into nature. And most of my friends is not entertainers. Like I love the business Hollywood. But that's not like that's not a real place. I had a real life, you know, so. And I'm so aware that that's not a real place and that's the way I try to separate out of that. And I just, I ride horses. I just do mashed in nature, bro. Like that's the only. And that's what I communicate with God. I read scripture like God is the real reason why. I'm like saying like the reason why. And I was talking to the surgeon General about this in the US Dr. Vivek Murthy. So he hit me up last year to hop on the last leg of his Tour. We have made the connect because of the national crisis right now, the mental health situation. And we were just having these conversations, man. He was just like, it's literally because we're not connecting to a higher power anymore, you know? And it's like, we literally have. I believe it's like a worship chromosome. And like, every human being to praise a deity to do this. But what we're doing, we're taking on these burdens in a narcissistic way. And, like, we're carrying a weight that we were never meant to carry. Like, we're trying to fight this battle that's way bigger than us. And when you just put all your worries, you cast all that onto the Lord, like, it's like. It seems like a lot, but you're like, nah, I'm good. Like, I know. I'm just fighting a good fight, bro. Like, this really is battle. I'm just a soldier. So it just. It alleviates that, and that's how I'm able to just go about my day, like, by the grace of God. I'm not on any type of, you know, certain stabilizers, mentally or whatever, because God is that for me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You let a lot of people let ego lead instead of letting God lead.

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know?

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's why I always tell folks, man, I believe in God and therapy.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

If you're a religious person, like, I'm not gonna sit down and talk to nobody. Well, I respect you for being religious, because I'm a spiritual person. Not religious, but I believe in God and going to therapy at the same time.

[Matt Rogers]

And I appreciate that, man. What you preach. Because you talk about therapy a lot in your book and interviews and certain things. I was like, yo, like, he's not just, like. He just don't talk mad. Like, you really, you. Like.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Until I started going to therapy.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that's what's up, man. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

2016, I started. I started going to therapy, and I think whether you want to or not, if you're doing it for real, it's going to change you.

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You can't. You can't hide it.

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's like DMX and Belly when he was undercover, you know, in the nation.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was undercover, but.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It got to him. It's like, oh, shoot. So once you start doing it, like, it's going to change.

[Matt Rogers]

If you're doing it for real, it's inevitable. No, you're right. That's 100, right?

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely. Now I want to go to BMF. How did you get BMF?

[Matt Rogers]

How was that?

[DJ Envy]

That situation?

[Matt Rogers]

That was. Man, that was fire. That was actually during the pandemic. So, like, I was fortunate enough again, man, I hate to keep saying God, but.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, don't ever hate to say, like.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't want to be that person, but, like, God, timing is crazy. So, like, right before the pandemic, we was blowing up on All American. And when a pandemic hit, All American got way bigger. Like, it was, like, the biggest show in the world because everyone's sitting their ass at home. So we was like. We got so famous that it was. It was unprecedented. Like, it was like they was gonna cancel the show on cw and Netflix made this show, like, just a household name. And in doing that, I had, like, three different offers for different shows, and I saw BMF coming. I was like, 50 Cent. I was like, oh, snap, this is fire. But I was like. For a second, I thought it was one of the power things. Cause I'm not gonna lie, I never wanted to do power only because it's like, I feel like I wanted my first drug thing story to be a true story. I didn't want to just do it just to do it, because when you're doing it, and no shade to anybody that do it. The Little Power Boys, Michael and Gianni, them. I love Little Power Boys. I love them. They cool. They cool. They cool as hell. Like, I really. Yeah, they little in stature and just everything. Jesus. But. But. Nah, not just that. Not just that. But I was just like, if I'm gonna do that, like, I would. It would be fire if it's, like, a true story, you know? And I was like, yo, this is two brothers that ran one of the largest domestic drug distributions in the history of this country. And I was like, bro, this is crazy. And then I did an audition, and they knew who I was, and i50 watched the show All American, the showrunner, a lot of producers. And it was, like, one audition that I, like, tested, and I was reading alongside Meech, Lil Meech. And it was like, bro, like, you know, you. You. You bring something out of him that's da, da, da, da, da, whatever, whatever. And I booked it, and I was like, bro. And I actually went out for B, Mickey and Terry.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. So I really. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Did you ever sit with T?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Yeah, no, that's a. That's a real. That's a real dude, man. He's a solid guy, you know? And he's like. He's like an oracle. He's just like this wise OG that just sit back, you know, and then just. He narrate from his perspective, but he tried not to get in the way. And honestly, one of the greatest compliments he gave me was when he was just like, bro, the way you're portraying his character, it's fire. And even off screen, it's like, when people see you, they see me. And everything that you're doing is such a great representation of me. And I just want to say thank you. And I'm like, to me, that was like an Emmy. You know, like, forget what the critics got to say. Like, the man that I'm portraying, it's like saying thank you, and you're doing a hell of a job. I'm like, bro, that's crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Let me ask a question, because, you know, it is based on a true story, but you talk about the negative images of black people. BMF was, you know, huge drug dealers. So how do you justify playing that role?

[Matt Rogers]

Right. No. Which is a great question, because I've been asked that before. This interviewer said the same thing, and I was like, okay. And it was like, how do you feel that you're promoting that and you're perpetuating this image? I was like, well, if you watch an 824 or Blumhouse film or anything like that, or like, a scream and somebody's, like, stabbing someone 57,000 times, do you think that I'm gonna go stab someone 57,000 times? No. And if that's what you're thinking, you probably shouldn't watch tv. Right? So what I'm doing is like, I feel like, one, you should receive it in the same manner that it's art. But two is a true story. As a true story about black people. That was part of one of the most successful human trafficking in the history of the world. The transatlantic slaves trade was one of the most successful human trafficking, actually. It probably is, actually.

[AT&T]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

The. So you got these two brothers in when slavery was abolished and all this stuff was happening. Now you got these brothers in the middle of nowhere. Everybody know poverty is the mother of all crime. They know statistics show it. Benjamin Franklin said it. All the founding fathers know. That's why systemically, they put these positions. They put these things in a certain position just for you to fail, Right? And you got these brothers that rose out of that, that created this organization and ran this organization that they ran. And I just asked people, I challenged them to be like, imagine if they had a better environment. That would have been Steve Jobs. That could have been the Wright Brothers that could have been Elon Musk, and then that could have been, you know, to have that courage and to lead that many men. To really listen to you and follow you and salute to you in what you're doing, especially n. Yeah, right. Exactly. Exactly. And something illegal, too. Cause, you know, if we doing something illegal together, I don't really gotta listen to you. Cause I could tell the cops on you at any moment. But they had. You know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm like, bro, they had a cold, bro.

[Matt Rogers]

That's crazy. So I just challenge people to look at it from that perspective and be like, damn, we're a product of. You know, I still think we live in a great country, but, you know, the founding fathers of this country, building on a certain playing field, and you got brothers that rose out at a time that there wasn't positive influences at all. So I think if they were born in different times of better influences, they would have been scientists, they would have been anything else.

[Charlamagne tha God]

100% right. You ever read the book Outliers?

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Charlamagne tha God]

By Malcolm Gladwell? And he talks about that in the book, and he just talks about how all of these different people at different points in time were basically being at the right place, the right time with the right circumstances. So that's how you become a Steve Jobs, a Jeff Bezos. It was somebody else, but they all came up around the same time. They're all around the same age, but it was just the right place, right time, right circumstances when you got that kind of mind. Yeah. To your point, Meech, RT could have led any Fortune 500.

[Matt Rogers]

Exactly. Exactly. And that's the beauty in the story. And that's how I look at it. So, I mean, people could say, yeah, you just choose to see what you want to see. But I feel like I'm seeing it objectively in the correct way.

[Da Vinci]

Did you get a chance to talk to Big Meech since.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I used to actually talk to Big Meech a lot like Facetime, because Little Meech would be FaceTiming him on set while he was locked up and, you know, and talking to him, and he was like, yo, bro, they be playing that all American shit all the time. Like, in the shit. Like, we watch all y'all shit. He's. He's cool as hell. Like, those guys, honestly, they like. That's like Bigfoot, you know, Those are like. It's. It's like foreign creatures that. It's like, yo, what? Like, every rapper mentioned these people, and I'm like, by the grace of God, I'm around these juggernauts, like real street legends and then the hip hop legends. I'm just like, bro, sometimes I feel like a dream, and I'm gonna wake up and be like, bro, I had the wildest dream last night.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know, it's funny. I remember the first time I saw the BMF documentary. I said to myself, this shit ain't real. I'm like, if this was real, all of these dudes would be in jail. And then that's what ended up happening. So I hope that. I hope that. Well, no. So I hope that the show continues on so people can actually see the consequences to the lifestyle as well. I think that's a good teachable moment, too.

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think that's gonna happen. I think people's gonna see the ending and what happens. So that way, when people are considering this, they know that they could really lose a great portion of their life. Absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

Well, definitely. Check out family affairs.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I was going to ask, are you and Meech cool? Like, in real life? How's y'all bond?

[Matt Rogers]

Little Meech? We cool. Like, it's all love. I think we just. You know, he be so busy in his life.

[DJ Envy]

You can tell he rides horses, man, and be in nature.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I know, but I don't know. Brothers on the show.

[DJ Envy]

Meet me at a club.

[Matt Rogers]

He can the groceries. He can.

[Da Vinci]

He can't ride a horse.

[Matt Rogers]

Nah. That's good.

[DJ Envy]

So he rode the horse after he got the groceries, or he put the.

[Da Vinci]

Groceries on the horse.

[Matt Rogers]

Nah, it means me in a different world. He be in his own little world. I got love for him. But, you know, we just. We be on this side of the planet, I'll be on that side of the planet. We come together and we work and we do our thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And. Lauren, what was that thing about?

[Da Vinci]

I was going there.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Da Vinci]

What's your. So, first of all, funny, Marco's trying to take your girl.

[Matt Rogers]

Who's my girl?

[Da Vinci]

Lala.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Da Vinci]

Can you get tired of people bringing that up to you? Like, just that. Because on screen, y'all interaction is very complicated. And then off screen, there's, like, moments, too. It's like y'all was holding hands.

[Matt Rogers]

Nah, that. I was just being a gentleman, you know, I was just. She was just. She was. I think she was a little tipsy. And she's like, can you help me walk? And I was like, yeah, I got you. And I was just doing what? How my mama raised me to be.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, yeah, you'll be turned up. You'll be Sending all your checks to Lala. Play with OG Lala if you want.

[Da Vinci]

He'd been getting checks since before D was famous. He got a couple checks to spare.

[Matt Rogers]

That's what I'm saying. Facts.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

I'm trying to be like, yeah, made him blush now. He ain't blushed the whole time.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, exactly. That's crazy.

[Da Vinci]

It's a little bit harder now, though. The smile's a little bit bigger. But yeah, I mean, I guess so nothing. Because y'all always say it's nothing there. But even when y'all was on Jason Lee's Sit down show. It was a minute ago. Oh, yeah, yeah. Even there. I was like, they kind of cute, though. Like, there's like a little.

[Matt Rogers]

That's my dog. Like, I think Lie is one of the most genuine, absolutely humans in this business. Like, and she got a spirit that is, like, you almost feel like you knew her forever. So, like, when you're around her, she brings, like, out, like, this kid in you. You know what I'm saying? So that's probably why when you mentioned her name, I was smiling and shit. But. And then she gave me great advice. Like, that's my dog.

[Da Vinci]

What's the best piece of advice she's giving you? Personal advice or work advice, whatever.

[Matt Rogers]

I think she. She. She helped me see situations for what it is and, like, vetting shit, you know what I'm saying? All like, see the other side.

[Lauren L. Harris]

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[Matt Rogers]

Looking at it from an objective point of view, you know what I'm saying? Getting my emotions out of this. And then, like, she'll. And then. Or if I'm like, yo, I'm having a conversation with this person, like, what do you think? And then she'll really call me and, like, give me the inside scoop. Or if she don't know, I'm sure, like, wait, let me find out. And at one time, I was. I mean, like, from the littlest things to, like, sometimes someone said they stole my social media and they were trying to, like, sell it back to me for, like, 200K. And I'm like, Brain, no.

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[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. And I was like, yo, lie. Like, what the hell? And she hit up Kim's people and they gave me a social media person and then got my back in 48 hours.

[Da Vinci]

I didn't know which Kim he was talking about.

[Matt Rogers]

She said, I didn't know which Kim. Little Kim.

[DJ Envy]

You know, the Kardashians run that social media over there.

[Da Vinci]

Yeah, you're right. And that is her.

[Matt Rogers]

They like the Feds. Anything is happening.

[Da Vinci]

How Fast. Did the turnover happen? When Kim. When Kim, bro.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, 48 hours.

[Da Vinci]

Oh, wow.

[Matt Rogers]

I thought I was done. I was like, oh, my God. Like, I'm gonna have to pay this or something. Like, yo, 48 hours. I don't know what they did. It was like, bro, are they posting crazy stuff? Nah, they didn't post it. They was just trying to sell it back first. And then I was. Thank God they didn't post craziness. They didn't. I don't. And I don't know how they did that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How did you feel when Power got. I don't say canceled, but they ended Power.

[Matt Rogers]

I felt good about it. I was just like, nah, nah. I was like, damn, that sucks. They out of a job. Like, I know that feeling, but I know they're about to have another spin off. Like, it's gotta be right? Yeah. 50 is like, it's like the Avengers, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, just like Chris Evans and the rest just resigned to Marvel. There's obviously about to be another Avenger, so, you know there's about to be something else.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It'd be like Power Book 3.

[Matt Rogers]

I know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They already did 3. They already did 4, too.

[Matt Rogers]

They did 4. 2. Yeah. Yeah. It's probably going to like a new force.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Da Vinci]

The last episode of y'all last season, y'all were like in the middle of, like, the desert. It was like Mexico or something. Oh, yeah, right. So y'all. Y'all have another season, right?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Should be. I don't know when it's coming out, but I'm sure, like, the first quarter.

[Da Vinci]

Of this year got you. How do you feel? And I don't even know if you see this, but, like, for that last season, a lot of what I was seeing online was people being like, all right, now the storyline is getting unbelievable.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, it's. It's TV and film, you know. Like, I think. I think they gotta over exaggerate and do certain things. I mean, personally, some of the creative decisions, I'd just be sitting back like, ah, damn. But I mean, there's only so much I could do. It's almost like when you play on the field or you're playing football, basketball, whatever, sometimes you just gotta run with the route that the coach tell you to. And it's like, it's bigger than you, you know, and. Yeah, but I. Shut up. I humble myself. It's like, bro, I just got in the game. I'm not trying to piss people off.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But the BMF story Is unbelievable. It just is. If you watch the documentary, I'm glad I watched it back in the day. And I'm like, this is not real. Like, there's no way this shit is really going on in Atlanta. Like, no.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. And he brought zoo animals in the club for a party.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Salute to Hannah Kang. Hannah King. That's the homie Hannah. She did that party. She still does amazing parties now, but she did that party.

[DJ Envy]

You know, people are still finding cars with money in it. Like, cars that they own, limousines. They'll find a panel and they have, like, money in it, I believe.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, that's. She's like, I'm about to go buy some cars.

[Da Vinci]

Where's this happening at? And so in this, the upcoming season, do you figure out love wise, like, where you. What you doing? Cause you all over the place. You got. It's like two families at this point.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I think he's. I think he's more focused on the money. Like, I think. I don't think he's ever gonna figure it out. I think it's still not figured out.

[Da Vinci]

Honestly, Guy, man.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, it's me. Like, it's not figured out to the point that the real Marquish is getting pissed, you know, like how that story is being portrayed. So I don't think. I think it. Yeah, like, they not. It wasn't really thinking about family for real, like, that. They were just like. I mean, of course, like, they were to a certain extent, but it was like, yo, let's figure this situation out, you know? So I don't even think they really, like, had the capacity to be like, yo, we wanna. Like, I'm gonna think about really just sitting here and building family with this one or that one, you know, but maybe that happens. I don't know.

[Da Vinci]

Do people come up to you in real life upset about how you doing the girls on the show? Because you mentioned that with Adrianna.

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely. People really just be, why you do my girl Sydney like that Sidney Mitchell. I'm like, bro, first of all, when you're talking about the show, you use my real name. And then when you see me outside, you use the character name. I'm like, bro, that's kind of crazy. Like, when you're saying, like, yo, da Vinci was doing this for Lala. That's on the show. But then when you see me in real life, you're like, yo, Terry, yo, you Marquisha. That's my. And I'm like, yo, bro, like, you gotta stick to the. You know what I'm saying? Cause it Sound crazy, but, yeah, people all the time, man, Mad gangsters be coming up.

[Da Vinci]

They be mad about how you be with Lala.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, absolutely. And then the gangsters be coming up to me like, yo, bro. Like, first of all, they'd be like, yo, what is it like to Lala? I'm like, bro, that's not real. And I'm like, bro, there ain't no way, bro. I'm like, bro, they were, bro, tell me. I'm like, bro, that's not real. And then they start going into their meats and T stories. I'm like, bro, like, if you tell me this now, I'm an accomplice kind of, you know, I'm like, I'll tell on your ass. And they just. They just shut up and they just keep it pushing. But, like, the amount of gangster stories that I have to run away from, bro, I'm like, bro, please.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's your dream role?

[Matt Rogers]

Probably to play Toussaint Leviture or Desalin. They were like two characters that was very influential in the Haitian Revolution. The Haitian revolution was one of the most profound revolutions in the history of the world, only because it was the first time black people gained their independence on paper. And it was a small little army that destroyed Napoleon Bonaparte's army, who was known to be like, the best war general at the time. So I think it'll be fire to be a character in that story. Like, that's like a real Marvel superhero to black people, you know, like, they created their own language, which is the language that I speak fluently, which is Creole, which is 75% French and, like, different languages. And they switched it up just so when they're fighting. When it was in the war, like, the French people can't really understand, but we can understand French, you know, so it's kind of fire. And I think that story is, like, dope. And that's one of the things that don't ever get talked about. I would love to play a character like that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I mean, that's why they punishing Haiti to this day.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, damn, Charlamagne. You said it, brother. I did not say that. Yeah, yeah. Nah, for real. And you Dominican, right?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, he is.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. What up, man? He my neighbor.

[DJ Envy]

I am not Dominican.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He is.

[DJ Envy]

I am not Dominican. He just said that.

[Matt Rogers]

He lying.

[DJ Envy]

I'm not. I'm fully black, 100,000%.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh.

[Matt Rogers]

What? Oh, you.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, I thought you was joking.

[Da Vinci]

You really thought that. See, you can't be mad that people think you doing Lala wrong. You date Lala and you Think she Dominican?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I am Dominican.

[DJ Envy]

No, I'm not Dominican. I have no Spanish in me. My parents are black.

[Matt Rogers]

Black, like black. You know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy]

Yo, I don't speak no Spanish. Nothing? Nothing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't know why he don't claim it, but he's crazy.

[Matt Rogers]

I am.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why'd you get nominated for a Dominican DJ award? Why'd you get nominated for Dominican D Award?

[DJ Envy]

Because you say it every morning on the Breakfast Club and people really think that.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, he really got nominated for that Dominican.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Where your daddy from?

[DJ Envy]

My daddy's black.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Where's he from?

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[Charlamagne tha God]

Where is he from?

[Matt Rogers]

He's black.

[Charlamagne tha God]

See what I'm saying?

[Matt Rogers]

Yo, that's crazy.

[Da Vinci]

Where your dad from?

[DJ Envy]

Dominica. Oh, it's a Caribbean island. Dominica's a Caribbean island.

[Matt Rogers]

Dominican is Hispanic.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You're Dominican. Man, cut it out.

[DJ Envy]

My dad is half black and his father's from the island of Dominicans. It's a Caribbean island and my mother is 100% black.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't really know why lying like that's. That's. That's actually hilarious. N. It's okay, DJ Env. It's okay, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Good to meet you, brother.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, likewise, brother. It's a pleasure to be here with you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Absolutely. Make sure you check out family affair, premiering January 25th at 8pm Eastern on Lifetime. While Envy looks up his birth certificate.

[Matt Rogers]

Look up my picture so he can.

[Charlamagne tha God]

See my picture, and he. He can't find no picture when he don't look. Dominic White jeans, jeans, curly hair, Giants jerseys. Knock it off. It's the Breakfast.

[Matt Rogers]

Did you play baseball?

[DJ Envy]

No, I actually played football.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, Asian football.

[DJ Envy]

I'm from Queens Village. So Queens Village is nothing but Haitians.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's your cousins.

[Matt Rogers]

Dominicans and Haitians is the same thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What are Dominicans?

[Matt Rogers]

Same Haitians. Light skinned Haitians. Yeah, exactly.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Same thing.

[Matt Rogers]

Same thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm black.

[Matt Rogers]

It's the Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

Good morning.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wake that ass up early in the morning.

[Matt Rogers]

The Breakfast Club.

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