INTERVIEW: Monaleo and Stunna 4 Vegas On Breaking Generational Curses, Getting Married, Trauma, DaBaby + More

Summary

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The Breakfast Club Interview: Monaleo & Stunna 4 Vegas

Date: October 15, 2025
Podcast: The Breakfast Club (iHeartPodcasts)
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God, LL Cool Bay (Lauren LaRosa)
Guests: Monaleo (Mona Leo) & Stunna 4 Vegas

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode features rapper Monaleo and Stunna 4 Vegas as they discuss breaking generational curses, getting married, navigating personal and family trauma, parenthood, reconciling with absent relatives, sobriety, black culture, mental health, and unity within the diaspora. The conversation is deeply candid, touching on their individual and shared life journeys, their music careers, and the roots of their resilience and advocacy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Love, Family, and Marriage

• Monaleo & Stunna’s Relationship:
  • The couple reflects on keeping their relationship private, revealing how their union was founded in friendship and deep mutual support.
  • "We've been together like, four years for sure. My first year meeting her, though, was like, kind of when I was taking a break... She helped me get through whatever. You've been through everything like a homeboy would. I ain't never experienced that from no female." – Stunna 4 Vegas [04:40]
• The All-Pink Wedding:
  • Monaleo's love for pink influenced the wedding color scheme. "It's the only color I wear!" – Monaleo [04:10]
  • Stunna supported her vision without hesitation. "It's her day. I was with it." – Stunna 4 Vegas [04:19]

2. The Importance of Family & Emotional Healing

• Monaleo’s Father's Cancer Battle:
  • A tearful discussion of her father's secret struggle with Hodgkin’s Lymphoma, how it impacted her, and how it motivated her to ‘expedite’ major life events.
  • "I saw him deteriorating...I pressured him and he showed me his scans. I saw Hodgkin's lymphoma...I just bust out crying because it was such an emo..." – Monaleo [08:07]
  • "Having my dad walk me down the aisle was a dream come true." – Monaleo [10:08]
• Why Parents Hide Illness:
  • Both agree it's driven by older generations’ desire to protect their children from worry, sometimes at the cost of support.
  • "Your focus is broken," – Charlamagne [11:23]

3. Breaking Generational Curses

• Connecting with Stunna 4 Vegas’ Estranged Father:
  • Stunna describes meeting his father for the first time through an ancestry DNA test, facilitated by Monaleo.
  • "I just met my dad on Father's Day. My wife got me to do a DNA ancestry kit...the results came back that very day we tried to talk with my family..." – Stunna 4 Vegas [14:32-15:56]
  • They trace relatives and meet his dad in Detroit, discovering unknown siblings.
  • "There were so many reasons for us to be happy crying that day." – Monaleo [17:51]
• Processing New Family Connections:
  • Stunna admits he’s still figuring out how to bond with his newfound father after nearly 30 years apart.
  • "Sometimes he call, and I might not even know what we should talk about, so I might not answer...I call her dad though, immediately." – Stunna [19:11]
  • Monaleo takes pride in facilitating family healing.
• Family as Generational Glue:
  • Monaleo credits her matriarchal family with giving her models of resilience and unity:
    • "Full of very strong matriarchs...I have a really good example of how to keep a family together." [22:19]
  • Their shared purpose is to raise "trauma-free kids." [23:36]

4. Mental Health Journeys

• Therapy and Mental Health in Black Families:
  • Monaleo has a long history of therapy (growing up hospitalized, in therapy, on medication).
    • "It was normal for me. My grandmother works at a mental health hospital." [24:50]
  • Stunna hasn't fully warmed to therapy but values Monaleo as his confidante, with a more pragmatic focus on survival.
    • "I'd be talking to her. I don't really need that type of stuff...she can get me to a point where I'm not mentally out of it." [24:23]
  • Both did premarital and some individual counseling.
• Monaleo’s Childhood Trauma & Healing:
  • She candidly discusses her experiences with abuse, neglect, suicide attempts, and how music became her outlet for pain.
    • "I attempted suicide in fourth grade...there's a lot I experienced as a kid I couldn't process." [32:58, 33:59]
    • "I want to free myself from those experiences...when I met him and didn't feel taken advantage of...I felt appreciated." [32:31]
  • Healing became her responsibility:
    • "Your trauma is never your fault, but your healing is your responsibility." – DJ Envy [35:30]
    • "I started journaling, making music, and really venting my frustrations...It started off as rap." [35:40-36:54]
• Breaking Cycles:
  • "Trauma runs in your family till it runs into you...I believe we're the first generation that has the luxury of healing." – DJ Envy [40:40]
  • Monaleo has founded her own organization, "Stay One More Day", to support mental health and survival. [41:02]

5. Artistry & Black Culture

• Black American Heritage and Unity:

  • Discussion about the inspiration and controversy around Monaleo’s use of the Black American Heritage flag and the messaging in her music.
    • "I wanted to create a space for black Americans to turn up and have a good time...to promote black unity, black community...under white supremacy, we are all black here." – Monaleo [51:06, 53:13]
  • Detailed the origins and meaning of the flag, encouraging listeners to support authentic sources. [52:03]
  • Addressed backlash from both white and black communities.
    • "I expected white people to be mad. I really don't give a damn what white people think about me." – Monaleo [58:01]
    • "There was a song about lynching...white people have done worse." [59:38]
  • "Sometimes you just gotta tell people it's a black thing. You wouldn't understand." – DJ Envy [60:24]

• Mortuary Science and Southern Roots:

  • Both Monaleo and Jess Hilarious have mortuary science backgrounds.
    • "I started rapping midway through mortuary school...wanted to highlight Southern Black American culture." – Monaleo [46:48, 48:42]
  • Explores death, grief, and church traditions as influences in recent projects.

• Hit Records and Viral Moments:

  • "Beating Down Yo Block" as a breakthrough record.
    • "I expected it to change my life...knew it was pivotal." – Monaleo [49:53]
  • The viral, controversial "Sexy Solon":
    • "It causes conversation, which was fine...I wanted to usher in the conversation." [50:51]

6. Parenthood, Pregnancy, and Healing Legacy

• Home Birth & Defying Medical Trauma:
  • Monaleo describes hidden pregnancies, miscarriages, medical distrust, and choosing a home birth to heal family trauma.
    • "We had a home birth in our kitchen...important for me to heal that trauma for the matriarchs in my family." [43:18, 44:15]
  • Intentionally rejecting negative generational scripts around childbirth and motherhood.

7. Sobriety & Growth

• Stunna on Sobriety:
  • Overcame dependence on hard drugs and leaned into fitness as self-medication.
    • "I don't take perks, don't sip syrup. I used to do that every day before I ate...when I met her, I found out that's all that was—self-medicating." – Stunna 4 Vegas [30:14, 30:30]

8. Industry Lessons & Mending Fences

• Music Industry Realities:
  • Stunna opens up about the whirlwind of success, loss of identity, and reconciling with DaBaby, his former mentor.
    • "It was just too much for everybody...I was really surviving my whole time over there...I see this for what it is." [70:17, 74:56]
• Reconnection with DaBaby:
  • Process of taking accountability and reconnecting after falling out.
    • "I was the reason why we separated...I moved around with animosity...when I hit him up, it was more so taking accountability." [68:32-69:35]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• "Having my dad walk me down the aisle was a dream come true." – Monaleo [10:08]
• "Trauma runs in your family till it runs into you." – DJ Envy [40:40]
• "I attempted suicide in fourth grade...there's a lot I experienced as a kid I couldn't process." – Monaleo [32:58, 33:59]
• "Your trauma is never your fault, but your healing is your responsibility." – DJ Envy [35:30]
• "Sometimes you just gotta tell people it's a black thing. You wouldn't understand, don't need an explanation." – DJ Envy [60:24]
• "I expected white people to be mad. I really don't give a damn what white people think about me." – Monaleo [58:01]
• "When a man find a good wife, you know, he gained a different favor from the Lord. I see something different in your spirit." – DJ Envy [12:56]
• "I want to free myself from those experiences...when I met him and didn't feel taken advantage of...I felt appreciated." – Monaleo [32:31]
• "All I want to do is raise trauma free kids." – DJ Envy [23:33]
• "I don't like that. She's 24 and so intelligent, brilliant, educating, you're informative." – Charlamagne [60:54]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic/Segment | |:--------------:|:----------------------------------------------------| | 03:42 – 04:22 | Wedding details and their love story | | 06:19 – 10:08 | Monaleo discusses her dad’s cancer battle | | 14:32 – 17:51 | Stunna 4 Vegas’ journey to meet his father | | 23:36 – 24:08 | On raising trauma-free kids, breaking cycles | | 32:58 – 36:54 | Monaleo’s childhood trauma and pathway to healing | | 41:02 – 41:22 | “Stay One More Day” mental health advocacy | | 43:18 – 44:57 | Childbirth, home birth stories, healing for family | | 46:48 – 48:52 | Mortuary science and Southern Baptist influences | | 49:53 – 50:59 | Monaleo on breakthrough single and industry impact | | 51:06 – 53:55 | Controversy over diaspora unity & Black American flag| | 58:01 – 59:38 | Responding to backlash over “Sexy Solon” | | 68:32 – 70:04 | Stunna’s reconnection with DaBaby | | 74:56 – 77:25 | Industry ups/downs, lessons learned | | 77:43 – 78:56 | Closing affirmations, black love, legacy |

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Overall Tone & Flow

• The conversation is deeply intimate, raw, and uplifting, shifting between humor, vulnerability, and empowerment.
• Both guests emphasize honesty, personal growth, and the generational impact of their choices.
• Hosts and guests share mutual respect, often affirming one another and amplifying messages of healing and black unity.

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Closing Words

Charlamagne and DJ Envy wrap up the episode by affirming the couple's role as generational curse-breakers and models of black love.

“Generational curse breakers, man. That’s the best work that y’all can do—not being afraid to come out here and tell y’all stories and just being this amazing example of black love, man. Salute to y’all.” – DJ Envy [78:42]

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[Episode ends on a note of mutual admiration and a sense of hope for the future, both for the couple and the wider community.]

Transcript

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Ed Helms]

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[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

You're like, wait, stop. What?

[Ed Helms]

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[Johnny Knoxville]

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[Ed Helms]

Kind of like Robin Hood, except for.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

The part where he steals from the rich and gives to the poor. I'm not that generous.

[Johnny Knoxville]

It's a damn near inspiring true story for anyone out there who's ever shot for the moon, then just totally muffed up the landing.

[Ed Helms]

They stole $17 million and had not bought a ticket to help him escape.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So we're sitting like, oh, God, what do we do? What do we do?

[DJ Envy]

That was dumb.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

People do not follow my example.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Listen to Crimeless Hillbilly Heist on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Podcast Narrator]

Two rich young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one of them will end up dead and the other tried for murder three times. It starts with a dream, a nature reserve and a spectacular new home. But little by little, they lose it.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

They actually lose it. They sort of went nuts.

[Podcast Narrator]

Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Hold up.

[DJ Envy]

Every day I wake up.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Wake your ass up.

[DJ Envy]

The breakfast Club? Yep. It's the world's most dangerous morning show. The Breakfast Club. Charlamagne. The God, Jess. Hilarious. DJ Envy. Envy had to step out, but LL Cool Bay, Lauren LaRosa is here. And we got some special guests, man. Big stunner for Vegas. Big Mona Leo. What's happening? How y' all feeling out there? Mona Leo. Okay, I'm sorry.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Mona Leo.

[DJ Envy]

I'm retarded. Mona Leo.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Good morning.

[DJ Envy]

But I love your music.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Thank you.

[DJ Envy]

By the way, I can't pronounce the title of it either. I call it you ain't black. But I did study what it was, though. Solarian is a. I say I'm saying it right. So long, Solon.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Solon Solani.

[DJ Envy]

It's a new way to describe black American. Black America. Okay.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Exactly.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So it's like an interpretation of, like, black culture, black history, and it. It relates to, like, descendants of slaves, specifically.

[DJ Envy]

I love it.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So that's what the term represents.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to say congratulations on the wedding.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Thank you.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

The.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The tie and the knot, the baby, the family, everything. Congratulations, King.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

I appreciate it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. And congratulations to you, too. Beautiful. All pink wedding.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Y.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You agreed to it, huh?

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You said, man. Happy wife, happy life.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

You did.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

I a suggested.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You didn't suggest it.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Agreed to it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, so. So that's obviously your favorite color.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's always accented in all your videos. I see everything like, you love it.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

It's the only color that I wear.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay. How did you get him, your husband, to a brief.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I was trying to tell him. I was like, we can compromise if you want to do red.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

She ain't have to do all that, though.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

You can do pink.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

It's her day. You feel me? I was with it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right, right.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

She ain't had to do all that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You just love. But you love her so much. You like, she. I'mma just give her what she want. Oh, I love that.

[DJ Envy]

What made you finally want to. Want to settle down?

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

St. We being settled down, it just like, we put it on the Internet just last month. We've been together, like, four years for sure.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, dope, dope, dope.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

My first year meeting her, though, was like, kind of when I was taking a break, falling back from, like, the limelight or whatever. Anything I was going through. She probably not even. Probably. She, like, helped me get through whatever. You've been through everything like a homeboy would.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Would. Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

I ain't never experienced that from no female.

[DJ Envy]

You knew she was the one immediately, like, yeah, easily like, you like, God told You like, man, if you don't lock this one down easily.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Got that black woman behind you. I know. That's right.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

How did you know he was the one?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah, he was just.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

She was already a fan of me.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

He kept me so humble.

[DJ Envy]

Like, she.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Was a fan of me.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

That didn't. That didn't mean that I knew he was the one. When I'm. I just felt like he was very. He was just as intentional as I was and I really appreciated that. And he took good care of me the same way I wanted to take care of him. So I feel like we were on the same page at the same time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love that.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

What was the beauty of keeping everything off the Internet?

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Like, what did it was on the Internet. It's just like they chose to bite down when they did. We've been popping out though. Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

But it's good. It's just protecting our. Something that's personal to us. It's something that we care about and we love. So it was like protecting our relationship was super important, but we both have supporters that have been with us on our journeys, so it was important to include them in these pivotal moments in our life. Like the wedding. I feel like that was a no brainer. Like so many people support us and love us and have been rooting for our union. So it was important for us to invite them virtually to the wedding.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

You had us crying, girl. When you posted the moment with your dad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

I was like, I literally was like, oh my God. And you talked about him going through his cancer battle and getting to see you married and like, wow. Like, that was really emotional for me. So just speak to like kind of.

[DJ Envy]

You know, you emotional feel.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Because my mom is a stage four cancer survivor and one of the things that she's always asked me.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Take your time. Why did you ask me that question? Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Her thing is now is like, she's like, I've been sick before. I want to see you be able to do things. I don't know if I'll be able to be here tomorrow. So when you posted that, I was like, dang, like time is of the essence. Like, it made me start thinking like, wow, I want my mom to be able to see me get married and have kids. And you know, like, it's. I don't think people understand the cancer battle, how scary that gets.

[DJ Envy]

That's true. Your mom will see you be successful before she see you get married.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Shut up.

[DJ Envy]

I just want to throw that out.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Why did you me laugh?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Trying to share. But When I.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

When I. When I saw your post and I read the caption, it just really made me think. Cuz, you know, when I, you know, parents are always trying to be like superheroes.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Always. Yeah.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

So even through my mom's cancer battle, she was like, it's going to be fine. Just make sure you get some grandbabies here, because I want to see my grandbabies. But when I read that, I'm like, oh, like, this is serious. Like, I got to figure this out.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So serious. It was such an important moment for me to share with my dad. And so I'm so glad you brought that up at the top of the interview, because I can't wait for him to hear this. But even during his cancer battle, he was very secretive. He was private. He didn't tell anybody for six months. Obviously, I feel like me being kind of tapped in spiritually. I felt like something was going on with him, but he never had explicitly told me that he was battling cancer. I just saw him deteriorating in a sense. Like, he was getting smaller and it's. His hair was going. And I was just like, dad, what's going on with you? Like, and he was distancing himself from me.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Our son wouldn't even go to him no more.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Our son wouldn't, wouldn't. And my son loves my dad, but he was, he didn't. Every time my dad picked him up, he would be crying, and I was just like, dad, something's going on. And I just kind of pressured him a little bit, and I was like, tell me what's wrong or. Or else. And. And he showed me his scans, and I could see he had a real. Zoomed in so that I couldn't see that it said Hodgkin's lymphoma. But when I. I took his phone and I literally took off running down the street and I zoomed out and I saw that it said Hodgkin's lymphoma. I just bust out crying because it was such an emo. I never seen my dad cough, sneeze, me either, have a cold, none of the things. So to know that he was. That he was battling cancer without my full support, yeah, really touched me and it really, really, really hurt me. But thankfully, he. He's beat cancer.

[DJ Envy]

Praise God.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Afterwards, he. I guess the chemotherapy had done a number on his heart, so he was. He had heart failure and he had to have a triple bypass surgery that he also wasn't clear about either. One thing about my dad, he is truly Superman. Like, he doesn't want to. He doesn't want people worried about him. Even if it's something that I should be concerned about, he doesn't want us to be worried about him. So when I found out what he was battling, I was so emotional, and I was so all over the place, so. And I kind of put. If I'm being candid, it put. It made me want to expedite this, the process for everything, because I realized, like, I don't know what I was waiting on. I think it was. I was feeling the pressures from society, and I'm like, maybe I'm too young to be doing this. And, you know, you think about all these things in your mind, and then that kind of really snapped me back to reality. And it made me live for myself and for my family and for my village, for my community. So it kind of made me want to expedite the wedding process. And we did it. And to have my dad.

[DJ Envy]

Walk you down the aisle. Be there.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah. Walk me down the aisle was a dream.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Come true.

[DJ Envy]

Why do y' all think the adults, older adults, feel like keeping that from the kids is the right thing to do? Like, why fight a battle like that alone?

[Interview Host or Co-host]

It's scary. It's like a nightmare.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah. I don't think he knew. I think he wanted to keep hope. Yeah. But he was diagnosed at stage three. Stage three, four. So he. I think he. He was optimistic, but I truly think he didn't know. And I think he wanted me to, you know, focus on touring stuff, my tour and my career. He didn't want me to leave and abandon what I was doing because he know I would have done that. Nothing's more important to me than my family.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

You have a song on your mixtape, Diary of an og.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

And when even that song, too, I was thinking about it. You're the oldest girl. Yes. And you talk about the responsibility of being the oldest girl in your family and not being able to think about yourself. And that made me think about your relationship with your dad and everything you went through as well while having a career. Because the another thing, too, I think why, like, the older people hide it is because they know, drop of a dime, you're not on tour no more. You're not dropping songs.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I'm not doing nothing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Your focus is broken.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I'm not complying with anything career related. I would have dropped everything to be at his side every single day, every chemotherapy appointment. I would have been cooking him meals every day. So to a degree, I'm grateful that he was selfless in those moments and allowed me to continue following what it is that I'm passionate about. Because he knows I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have pursued it. I wouldn't even be here. I would have taken a complete. I wouldn't have recorded any music videos, photo shoot. Nothing would have mattered to me.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Other than making sure that he was okay. So I think now that time has passed, I feel like maybe he did make the right decision. Initially, I was upset because I was like, dad, I want to be there for you. This is a really scary time in your life. And he didn't tell anybody. Not my siblings, not his mom. He didn't tell anybody other than his wife. So it was just them two, and she had just lost her mom. So it was really difficult for them to manage at the time. So I'm so. And I'm glad, Charlamagne, that you talk about therapy as much as you do, because he's in therapy now, and we're getting back to a place of trusting each other and loving each other and supporting each other. And I feel like the wedding was just a way to extend olive branches to everybody in our village and our community. So I'm glad that he was there.

[DJ Envy]

It's incredible how God works, because, you know, that one situation which could be deemed as negative led to all of this positive. You know, it said it made you put your gas. Press the gas on your career. It made y' all get married. And I'm gonna tell you something. When I look at y', all, man forget to look when I. I'm sitting next to y', all, I can feel the energy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

The family.

[DJ Envy]

Like, y'. All. Yeah, y' all are a unit. Like, it's something. Like, y' all are supposed to be together. Like, even looking at stunt, I'm like. I think of Proverbs 18:22. Man, when a man find a good wife, man, you know, he gained a different favor from the Lord. Like, I even see something different in your spirit.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Oh, yeah, I do, too. I already know, though, because I'm like. I'm, like, deeply involved, too, like, how she is spiritually. So I already know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And when we saw you get emotional, Right. What were your thoughts?

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah, I was, like, looking at gangsters in the crowd crying. You feel me? I was looking at my mama, my dad that I just met. Feel me? Her grandma, because even her family and me alone, like, after the wedding. It's like both our family's family now. But, like, before it was. I was already like this with her dad, grandma, grandpa, great grandpa, all them. So I was just, like, getting ready for her to walk out. You feel me? And that's what it was like, because I was crying before she walked out, but when she did, I was just like, damn. It's like you said. I've been through a lot of stuff. You fear me. And I don't, like, get on the Internet to public make it public. I don't. I don't. I don't really do nothing but deal with it. You feel me? On my own, too. So it was just like, all that was just like, man, all that out the window now. Like, this is what I'm walking into. When she was walking down, it was just like, I let everything go that she want me to let go. Stuff that I'll be mad about one month and be fine with it the next. Like, I just let it go because this all that matter.

[DJ Envy]

You said your father you had just met.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah, yeah, I just met. I just met my dad on Father's Day.

[DJ Envy]

What?

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

No cap? No cap. I met him on Father's Day. We. My wife got me to do a DNA ancestry kit.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Ancestry kit?

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah, we was doing that as we getting ready for the wedding. I'm like, boom. I probably ain't talked to my grandma, my mom. Mom in, like, 10 years. Ain't hugged her or nothing. Family, too, like, uncles and aunts, but it always been me and my mom. Like, my siblings had their dad, so they'll go live with them if we. Anything, got to go to a shelter, whatever, if it means me and my mom. So I'm like, telling my wife, like, damn, I want my family to be at the wedding. I want my mama to be there with her mama, my aunt, my uncle. Like, that's how I grew up around family. Whatever I'm doing it.

[DJ Envy]

We.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

We doing the ancestry kit. Probably a month before we go sit down with my family, I'm like, I'm about to sit my mama, my grandparents down, my uncle's aunts, all that. Long story short, that was, like, not meant to happen. And that same day, I was just like, damn, it ain't gonna never be like what it's supposed to be with my family again. It was like 5 o' clock in the morning. We was in North Carolina because that's what we was meeting up with everybody. My wife woke me up like, man, bae, I'm finding your cousins right now. Like, on my dad's side, the ancestry kit had hit like that.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Results came back.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Well, that day, the results came back. The Day that I tried to sit my mama down with her mom, brother and sister and it went left. Then we found a few cousins. They was telling me, you look like this guy, you look like this guy, you look like this guy, feel me? We went on a month trying to find my dad and then on Father's Day we got a, hired a genealogist.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

To interpret the, to interpret the ancestry DNA results.

[DJ Envy]

Yep.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

And it took her about six weeks to give us the full report. And then when she sent the full report back, she said that, you know, his dad could be one of these three people and there were three brothers. And so we kind of went down the line and I called. She had numbers listed and emails. I reached out to everybody. Only person that I was able to contact was his grandmother. And initially they thought it was like a scam. They were like, you know, why are you calling us? And I was like, listen, we don't want any, we don't want child support, we want anything. We are well off people. We just want to mend the relationship between him and who we believe is his dad. And so we kind of went through the three different options. His two uncles and his dad. And.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

And then we called my first, we called the, we called his uncle option.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

We called it, we called the first option. And she, the genealogist had him listed as the first option cuz he was the closest in age to his mom. So we initially thought that it was his uncle. So we FaceTime them. They didn't all the way look alike but they had some sort of similarity. So we were like, hey, you know, we just trying to figure this out. And he was like hey, I don't think it's me but it might be my brother cuz I think he looks more like my brother. And then we FaceTime we know FaceTime with him later on Father's Day and.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

It was all at my grandma, when.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

It was all his grandmother's house and him and his dad, they looked just alike. And the synergy was there immediately. And we flew out the next day. He's from, his dad's, from Detroit. We flew out the next day. We met his dad, we met his, the rest of his family and his dad.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Siblings.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

His siblings. He found out he had two, a brother and a sister that he didn't know about. This has been almost 30 years that he didn't know his dad. So to be able for them to be able to reconnect right before the wedding was so it was a lot of emotions going on when people see the Clip. They think it's like, oh, he just up there tore up about his wife. And I think that to a degree he was emotional. But there were so many different things going on. There were so many different reasons for us to be happy. Crying that day.

[DJ Envy]

So how old have that made you feel?

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Stunning. I don't know yet. I don't know yet. I don't know yet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's honest. That's honest. The conversations with you and your dad, are they like what you dreamed of or did you want like, you know, were you nervous with this whole process?

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Nah, I don't think so. I feel like, I think there were.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

A little bit of nerves.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah. But I'm just like a difficult person to deal with. So I don't know. I mean like, you know, like, I mean like as far as nothing like against my dad though, but I just don't, I don't know, I don't know how it made me feel. Sometimes he call, he gonna see this and be like, damn. Sometimes he call and, and I might not even know like what we should talk about. So I might not answer.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

And, and I, I call her dad though, immediately. Yeah, like, whatever. As soon as we leave out of here, I'm gonna call him probably like, or he gonna call me, we talk. It's like we got the relationship that I was like looking for for a long time because I was in there with him when she, when she was at work. I was going to chemotherapy. I'll be whatever I need. He gonna pick up, he gonna drop whatever I asked him to drop for me right then and there. So he kind of like filled the void before my dad could come in and like feel it. But it was just good also to meet my dad and see like we look alike. He looked my son look like him. You feel me? We walk alike. I met my grandma, I got a sister my age. You feel me?

[DJ Envy]

But you learn a lot about yourself though, because you could be dealing with physical health issues, mental health issues, and not even nowhere but your dad might have been dealing with it. You learn a lot about yourself when you connect those dots.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I think it was a nerve wracking experience too. Just for me, trying to facilitate. I was really nervous because I didn't know how his dad would receive him and receive the situation as a whole. I was just hoping that he wanted to connect as badly as son of wanting to connect. That was my main goal, I guess in my mind. Because you never really know how people will receive things. Some people will be like, oh no, I'M not dealing with this. It's too much.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

But I think it's been difficult for both of them to process it. And his dad as well. Like, yeah, how do you really process having a son and not knowing that you had a son for almost 30 years?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My next question, did he know?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

And then he's an artist, but he was telling us too. He was like, I've seen. I've seen him before. I know his music. He was able to tell us some of the songs that he did that he really liked. So it was just like. I could tell he was stunned.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No clue.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

He had no idea though. Because if you look him up, he's from you. You will see that he's from North Carolina. His dad had never been to North Carolina. He had met his mom in Atlanta and they were young, things happened, they moved apart. She was pregnant. She moved back home to North Carolina to kind of go throughout her pregnancy. She. So it was like he. There was never really. He never really knew anything about him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So I imagine that that's a lot for him to process as well. And his mom as well too, because I know that she lives with some of those feelings and like, you know, just being young and being a human being and making mistakes, but not really a mistake because I needed him. So it's not. I don't perceive it as a mistake.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So it's like, it's a lot for everybody to process in this experience. So I'm just trying to be the glue in this situation and keep us all close, keep us connected and keep us in this healing process.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, well, y' all some generational curse breaking mother.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm telling you, you were a great woman.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I'm telling you that's true. I'm just saying. General them generational curse breakers, I love that. That's what we live.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

That's what we swear by. That's what we like stand on.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

That's what we swear by.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Where does that come from? Cuz in your music we really black. Yes.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Like, we really black. That's where it come from.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Where are you raised that way? Is that like, where does it come from?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

For sure. I have a family full of matriarchs, full of very strong matriarchs. My mother, both of my grandmothers, my stepmother. I have a family full of women who are the glue for their families. So I have a really good example of like how to keep a family together. And I think they've done a lot for our family. But it's with me, I Feel like my purpose is to usher in change and bring about a certain type of energy that is real and that's raw and that's unapologetic. And if that means we often put our mess on the table, that's what we have to do so that we can really get somewhere. Because I love my son with everything in me and I don't want him to experience half of the things that I experienced growing up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I want him to have a pure, A pure life. And so I want to. If that means uncovering everybody's secrets and just. My son deserves to know his grand, his grandpa, parents, his grandfather, his. He deserves to have a relationship with everybody that is healthy. So whatever I have to do to bring in these healthy relationships, I'm willing to do.

[DJ Envy]

All I want to do, all I want to do is raise trauma free kids.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

That's all I want to do.

[DJ Envy]

Please God, just give me the power and the ability to raise four trauma free young ladies, please. That's it.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

That's all. Cuz I can only imagine what that looks like. I can only imagine what that will look like on my son as an adult. I can't wait to see, you know, the fruits of my labor. I can't wait to see how he grows up to be in like, I don't really know very many people in my life. Just as a young black American, Southern black American girl, I don't know many people in my life who haven't experienced some sort of trauma.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So I'm excited to see what that looks like on him. And I just want him to be everything that he wants to be. An astronaut or school bus driver, whatever you want to be. I just want to be here to facilitate that in the healthiest way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Now are you in therapy? Stunning.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

No. But I'd be talking to her. So I'll be like, I don't really need that type of stuff. Like she can get me to a point where I'm not mentally like out of it. Yeah. So I'll be like, kind of like, maybe I don't need it like that.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

We've tried. We tried therapy though. We have. We did premarital counseling before we.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Got married. And then you did your own individual therapy before. We did premarital counseling one time though.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

You did?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah. It's just a start. It's a start. You know, it takes a minute to get people. I'm. I grew up hospitalized in different mental health institutions and I grew up in therapy. I really struggled with my mental health growing up. So that was kind of, it's not that it was normalized, but my grandmother, she works at a mental health hospital, so she was always diagnosing. And you know, I grew up taking medication. Like I really grew up trying to fix whatever was wrong with me. So that's something that was normal for me. But when we got in our relationship, it wasn't really a thing that was talked about with him. So I try to encourage him to do therapy and I think he's coming around to it for sure. It's not that he's anti therapy, I think he's coming around to it for sure. But I think his main priority is just surviving.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So.

[DJ Envy]

And you got to find the right therapist. You might not have found that.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

That's right. I feel like that too. That too.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

That too. But I think we've, we've really reached.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

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[Podcast Narrator]

In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, two young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead, the other tried for murder not once. People went wild, not twice, stunned, but three times. John and Ann Bender are rich and attractive, and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble and our coffee couple retreat from reality.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They lose it.

[DJ Envy]

They actually lose it.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

They sort of went nuts.

[Podcast Narrator]

Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ed Helms]

Hey, it's Ed Helms. And welcome back to Snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw ups. On our new season, we're bringing you a new snafu every single episode.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

You're like, wait, stop. What?

[DJ Envy]

Yes. Ernie Shackleton sounds like a solid 70s.

[Ed Helms]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Ed Helms]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Ed Helms]

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[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

What was that like for you to.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Ed Helms]

Sorry, Jenna. I'll be asking the questions today.

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[Ed Helms]

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[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So let's, let's.

[Ed Helms]

Let's see how it goes. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Podcasts.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

A point of, like, bliss and happiness. Currently, like, we're really in a really happy space.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

But I know therapy is preventative, so it's not necessarily reactive. Like some, I don't think, feel like something has to happen and then you go to therapy. I think you should be in therapy, period. Just to process.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

What it is that you've experienced in your life. But we're slowly but surely we're coming around to it. But I'm really proud of him for the man that he's become.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

His sobriety journey. Like, there's so many things that people don't notice.

[DJ Envy]

Come here and bring me the big bottle of Hennessy, then.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

No, no, no. Not sobriety from liquor. We talking about hard drugs.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

I don't take perks. Fear Me, I don't sip syrup. I used to do that every day before I ate. Real talk and not saying that on no. Like making it cool.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Because even when I was doing that, I don't think I was making it cool. I think I was like doing therapy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

And when I met her, I kind of found out that like, damn, that's all that was. Cause self medicate. I started going to the gym. I wouldn't pick up a perk, a bottle or nothing. Like, even now, I don't like to drink unless I'm with her. I smoke.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

That sound crazy? That sound bad? No.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But he's safe space.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

We like to turn up. Yeah. Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

I do want to ask, what did Stunner do that made you feel so safe and protected?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I think he showed this level of care that I hadn't experienced yet. Yeah. That Southern hospitality that I hadn't experienced yet. Like I said, I grew. I grew. I went through a lot growing up. I was abused. Please put a trigger warning on this too, because I don't. I'm not here to trauma dump, but I'm just being candid because I prayed for this opportunity to get on Breakfast Club. I actually wrote it in my journal. Five years ago, 2020, I wrote this in my journal. I will be on Breakfast Club before I was even putting music out. So I'm just making sure that I do my due diligence to my younger self because I told myself I was going to be here and I'm here. And I want to seize this opportunity to be candid and clear and concise. I went through a lot growing up, so. And I feel like there was a lot of neglect. And that's not to shame anyone or shame my parents, but they were young and they were learning. And my experience is my experience. And what happened to me happened to me. And I can't erase that. So I want to be clear about that too. Because sometimes I feel like when you talk about certain things, especially in the black community, it's like what happens in the house stays in the house. And I want to free myself from those experiences as I grow into this woman that I'm becoming. I experienced some things, some abuse things happen to me that should have never happened to me. So when I met him and I didn't feel taken advantage of, I felt celebrated, I felt appreciated and I felt valued.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So that made me feel like this is where I belong. This is where I should be. In his family, they were receptive. We went through our things, but we. They reminded Me, a lot of my family. So we had so many similarities that we shared. And I was just like, this feels like home for me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[DJ Envy]

Since we having this conversation, is it true that you, you, you attempted suicide in the fourth grade?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

As a baby. You're a baby. Went through a lot.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah. There's more. She done been through. I, I go down the list myself. She done, she done been through a lot. She don't been through a lot.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

That was a baby.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

That was another thing that when I got around, she wasn't like trauma dumping on me, but it was like, she'll be telling me stuff and I'd be like, man, I was just with you, it's four, five over there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Like in North Carolina, we could see a bum getting beat, a woman, and we gonna go do something to the man or taking advantage of. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. But I'm saying, like, that's what made me be like, man, no, not even that. I just wanted to protect it myself. I just wanted to show it, like, I swear to God, that won't happen again. Yeah, you don't have to do that. You won't have to do this. Won't nobody come looking for you. Want nobody put in. None of that. It will ever happen again.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah, he was very protective. But yeah, that I was, I, I don't know. Well, I guess I was experiencing a lot as a kid that I really couldn't process. And I knew it didn't feel good. I didn't know exactly what was happening, but I knew it was like, this feels wrong to me. And I really struggled with my self worth, my self confidence. And I was just like, why am I here? And I was feeling like that very young, very young. Fourth grade. I, I, that's true. That's my, that was my earliest. Well, third grade is when those feelings started. And then fourth grade is when I like, started like, okay, let me figure out what I can do to not be here anymore. So it started in fourth grade, and then it progressed through middle school, through high school. But I'm so grateful that I don't feel, feel that way anymore. I struggle, I think residually those feelings, they kind of come up because it was so much of my life. I was, I just kind of got accustomed to feeling, to, you know, I had indoctrinated all of these negative feelings and thoughts about myself. So it got to a point where I was like, this is my being. This is my core being. I don't like who I Am.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

This is. To the core. I hate who I am and what people have done to me. And I felt like I deserved it at a point in time, but I know that's not true now.

[DJ Envy]

Your trauma is never your fault, but never Your healing is your responsibility.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So healing is my responsibility.

[DJ Envy]

So when was that pivot? When did you realize, like, I gotta heal?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I think I got to a point where I was like, I'm tired of feeling this way about myself. Like, there has to be more to life for me than just waking up every day and hating my existence. There has to be more to life. And I started journaling because I had already gone through therapy. And in my mind, I told myself, therapy doesn't work. This medication doesn't work. A lot of it was. What do you call it? Like, hardwired. So my grandmother struggled with her own battles. My mother struggled. My siblings struggle. It's kind of like. I don't want to say it's hereditary, but maybe it is. Yeah, maybe it's hereditary. So it was like. It got to a point where I was like, I can't do this anymore. Like, I want to. I see everybody enjoying their life. I'm ready to enjoy my life. I'm ready to experience it in a lens that isn't coming from this trauma. Like, I want to see what life really has for me. And I started journaling. I started making music in that process and really venting my frustrations and just kind of journaling via these. This rap. Via rap.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

And it started off as rap. I never thought I was gonna be a rapper, but it started off with rap because I was in that angry phase of my healing. I was just mad at the world, mad at everybody for letting me down, mad at my parents, mad at people who did things to me, just mad at everybody. It was everybody's fault. So rap was, like, my first real outlet because I was able to vent these frustrations in a very aggressive way. And it still helps me, though, to this day. Like, I still will make a real aggressive record, but I feel like it's helping me come to a calmer place in a. In the weirdest way. It's like this weird juxtaposition. I'll make the most aggressive song, and I'm like, all right, I'm good. I'm chilling for the rest. I could chill now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah. Now, you said your grandmother, she worked in a mental institution, so. And you said she even had her own mental issues as well. Do you think there was some correlation between where she was Working, or do you think that was. I think she grew up deeply rooted for her, too.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I think it's just generational, these generational curses. Her mother had her at 14.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

My great grandmother. And she's. My great grandmother is still alive to this day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Thank God.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

She was here. She was here during the wedding. She had her at 14. So God knows what she experienced.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Got you. And you have had these conversations with her.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I've had these conversations with everybody. I'm one of them people. We going to talk.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I'm going talk with my whole family because I want to get down to the bottom of why do we act this way?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

What's happening? Like, what has made us behave this way? And then she did her part, but she kind of. I feel like she kind of ran to a degree. Like, she left. She left her hometown. She went to college, and she really put a lot of effort into her studies. And she works. She's a workaholic to this day. She refuses to retire.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

And she's had two strokes. She refuses to retire because she just. I notice it's her way of coping with everything that it is that she deals with the pressures and the stresses of being a matriarch. And then I feel like that trickled down to my mom. And my mom struggled with her own battles growing up. And even as an adult. And I feel like as an adult, her having me, I caught the. I caught the. The. I caught a little bit of what she was struggling with, you know, and that's not to. That's to humanize her, if anything, because I feel like we especially young black girls, oldest girls, oldest black girls, they will hear me and they will understand where I'm coming from. As an older. As an older sister, you are kind of. You're adultified, and you don't really get to experience your childhood the way that you're supposed to. And I always feel like that. And it was because of. Like I said, my mom was struggling with her own things. And I hope when she hears this, she knows that it's not to pass judgment on her. I love my mother like, she's my baby. I love her. And it's not to be judgmental towards her, but it's just to open up the space to have these conversations that are so uncomfortable to have. But I want her to know that I'm proud of her for doing what she could with us. And I think things happen in the process, and all we can do is move forward and heal and learn to love each other. Through. Through our struggles, through our mishaps. So I think it's been passed down from generation to generation, but it definitely stops with me.

[DJ Envy]

Trauma runs in your family till it runs into you, till they run into me. And I believe that our parents, they would have. They. They were just trying to survive. I feel like we're the gener. We're the first generation that has the luxury of healing. Like, you know, they didn't have the resources that we got now. Yeah, we weren't talking about those anxiety and depression back then.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

And these resources are readily available to us, and they're promoted almost. I feel like I've seen a rise in people promoting taking care of your mental health, and I love that. And I also have my own organization, Stay One More Day, where I promote people healing and focusing on staying another day until you get to a point where you're happy to be here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, you're definitely supposed to be here.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Thank you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was God's plan for you not to take your life in the fourth grade at 8 years old. You are a baby. So I'm glad that you are here. And then you're breaking generational curses. So when you got pregnant, what was that like? Because now you're a mother, you know, and you replay things in your mind like, oh, my God, I grew up this way.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not going to allow my son or my daughter. Because you didn't know what you were having at that time.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Don't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Didn't know to deal with.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

But I kind of knew to a degree because I had a dream. One thing about me, I'm a dreamer. I feel like my. These spirits that come to me in these dreams, my friends, I had a dream to my homegirl who passed away. Her name is Zavin. She told me in a dream that I was pregnant and that I was having a boy the month that I conceived my son. So I feel like I kind of knew.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

She told me that one, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, I told him that too.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Like a regular dream, like, baby. Zayn came in my dream last night, told me we having a boy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. So y' all planned baby boy?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Well, yeah, we did because we had a. Candidly speaking. We had a miscarriage at first, about nine months before then. And that also. And I'll talk about this a lot, too. And also it's like I talk about a lot of. I'm not trying to be the spokesperson for anything either. I want to make that very clear. I'm just telling your life. I'm just detailing my experiences. So I don't want it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Which is gonna help.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

It's gonna help. It's gonna help because I. You don't realize how many people go through these things until you meet somebody who's ready to talk about it. And I'm ready to talk about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

There was a lot of. I had been told that I had these cysts, and then I went to. I got multiple different evaluations. They were like, oh, yeah, you have a cyst. It's 5cm. 6. 6cm need to be removed immediately. And then other people, other doctors were like, oh, I don't see any cysts. So it was just like. It was so much going on at the time. So when I found out that I was pregnant with my son, I was very protective over that process. And I didn't even announce that I was pregnant until I was eight months.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

And then when we had him, we had a home birth at Amazing. We had it in our kitchen, and my grandmother was there, my mother was there. Both my grandmothers, actually. His mom was there, his sisters. My brother was there, his brothers. My dad was there. It was a whole. And it was a very strange experience because it was such a vulnerable experience for me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

But again, it was one of those things that was like. I feel like I. I feel called to do this because my. My mother and my grandmother, they both. My mother had all C sections with all her kids. They told her she was. She would never be able to deliver naturally or, like, vaginally. They told us she would never be able to do that.

[DJ Envy]

That's a lie too, by the way.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

It's a lie.

[DJ Envy]

They told my wife that for our second daughter, and she had her. We had our next two. Vaginally.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

They told me the same thing. They told me the same thing. Literally told me the same thing. And then my grandmother, she almost died having my mom. She only has one child, which is my mom, and she almost died having her. So she never had any other kids.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So it was important for me to heal that trauma for the matriarchs in my family and show them that, because when I first told them, they were like, what are you thinking about? Like, you're gonna have the baby at home. Are you sure?

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

They was tell that she needed to. That she might have to do a C section too.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

They were telling me, and her mom was telling her that, and the doctors.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Were telling me that I might do it. I'm not. But I don't want to advise anybody against any doctor's orders, because there are doctors out there that are diligent and that are thorough with the work that they do. But again, I'm just going off of what I feel called to do. And very early on, within, like, the first six to 12 weeks of me being pregnant with my son, I was, like, going back and forth, and I was like, no, I'm doing a home birth.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So I got a midwife, I got a doula, and I have my family.

[DJ Envy]

We got to do it for our third and fourth. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's the best way.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I had natural births, or y' all just had a doula at the hospital to advocate for y'.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

All.

[DJ Envy]

My wife had a natural birth, not because she wanted to. On the third one, it was.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

It was happening so fast.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

It was something going on with the hospital. It was. She always gets mad because I tell the story wrong, but it was something. They couldn't get the epidurals or something like that, so she ended up having it natural. But she. We just decided to get a doula for the third and fourth just because it's so hard when black women go to the hospital. Like, you can't play with that, the way the black maternal death rate is.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Exactly.

[DJ Envy]

So after the season.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So that was all that was on my mind. I wanted to take care of myself.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. So now you got your music.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yep.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then you. You turn your, you know, your pain into a beautiful, you know.

[DJ Envy]

You know, y' all got something in common. Didn't you study mortuary science?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

And Jess was a mortuary. She worked.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

It makes sense.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

First of all, wait, you studying mature science?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Girl, I went for one semester, and.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I couldn't do it. You a. L. It was too much.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was too much. The whole embalming. It didn't, you know, limb. It's a move if you do too much.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

How was you in there doing?

[DJ Envy]

You cut somebody and they jump.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah, girl.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They fart.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

That will happen. Like, they scream. They let out these noises. Yeah, they let out noises.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah, the nerves are, like, settling, basically, so they jerk and they move and.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

They imagine funeral home, and it's just.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you working and you chilling, and you go on break, and you got your back turned, and then you look, you see out the gift.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Somebody sitting up. That.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's a little.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

You know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then he.

[DJ Envy]

Like, you see the dead body sit up.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

No, I did not see it. I've heard when I was in mortuary school, they were. They. They had. They told us that that was a possibility, but I never seen that personally. But I have seen, like, you know, bodies jerk and move and make these noises and these liquids will come out. Like, I've seen the whole thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And so you actually went through the whole thing.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I didn't graduate.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Because I started rapping midway through. And then I was like, all right, bet I'm doing this one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't graduate cuz I got scared. So.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I understand that.

[DJ Envy]

School. I thought it was just you was working at a mortuary, first of all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, but you have to.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

You have to internship during your school. By the time you graduate, you have to have been done.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Just went and got a job, or.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Else you can't graduate. You have to finish your internship. So you do it while you're in school. School.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

To get your hours for, you know.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Your hours. Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Got you.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah. I was like.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Because the. The. You start with life after death, and then it just. And then who did the body? I was like, what is her thing with, like, life after death? Literally, like, it's kind of all centered around it. And it's very like, churchy. Baptist. Churchy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It is.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Exactly.

[Podcast Advertiser]

Singing.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

I'm like, it feels like a funeral at first, and then it goes into a whole different world.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Exactly. I did. I did. So culturally, I feel like this project for me. Culturally. Who did the body? You. When black people go to a funeral. Yeah. If the body looked good or bad, where I was like, who did the body?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

To see which funeral home, you don't.

[DJ Envy]

Want to get cremated. Never stop judging, boy.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Never. Who did the body? I guess one of the two. So culturally it was relevant, but also like. Like, I was just talking about. I had so many. I've just had a really weird experience with life. Yeah. And I've also had weird experiences with death. So this project for me was kind of liberating me in that sense and freeing me from the fears of death. But we're all. And just also talking about. Just opening up that conversation about grief in our community and insurance and that type of stuff like that was important to highlight with this project. So it's. And it is very Southern Baptist. I grew up Baptist. My grandmother was. She was a youth minister on my dad's side, so she made me sing in the church every Sunday. I had no choice. Even if I was nervous or scared, I had no choice. So those are really my roots. I grew up with a praying grandmother, so those are truly, truly, truly my roots. So I wanted to just highlight Southern black American culture with this project.

[DJ Envy]

How do they feel about you doing.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

This secular Music now, you know, they. My granny cussed, though. So it's like she, you know, you know how Baptist people are. It's like, we real Baptist, but outside of church, we like to turn up and have a good time. So it's like my granny, she cussed. She was crazy. She is crazy. So I know it's like she can find a little bit of herself in it. And I am my grandmother's baby, so it's like, where did I learn this from? But other than you and my mom, I got this from y', all, so how can you really be? They. They love it. They support it.

[DJ Envy]

What did Jesus turn the water into wine for if not for a party?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

If not for a party, you know what I'm saying? Not for a good turn up. You know what I mean? Hello?

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or maybe for a different taste. You know, they only had water back then. He probably like, let's say something else.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

But I'm saying you can turn it into apple juice, oranges, any of the things wine. He was trying to turn up. And I feel. I feel him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, now. Beating down your block. That was my anthem for, like, three years. Yeah, I'm not playing. Did you expect that song to be as big as it got?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I expected it to change my life. I don't know about. I didn't know exactly what the parameters. I didn't know how big it was going to get, but I knew it was going. I knew it was pivotal in my life. And when I talk about journaling and writing that I was going to be on Breakfast Club, this is around the time that I made that song. And I was like, yeah, I going to be on Breakfast Club. I'm going to be getting interview. I'm be getting plaques. Like, I knew I had a feeling in my bones that that song was going to change my life, and it did just that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love it.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

And I'm at that second phase, too, where I feel like these next few songs that I'm dropping in this project, I feel like it's also going to elevate my life. I feel like even Sexy Solon has elevated my life to a degree with all the good and the bad talk about it. And also, thank you, Charlemagne, for posting that for me. I appreciate you for exposing that to an audience who might not have seen that, an older audience that, like my dad, my mom's generation, who might not have seen it. I feel like it definitely is taking my life to a new tier as well. New fans, new levels.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

It causes conversation, too.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

It causes conversation which was fine. I'm. I'm cool with the good, I'm cool with the bad. It was. I just wanted to usher in the conversation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what I love about it, you were still a little too nice. She was like, you just telling non black people to go to the back. You ain't say get out.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

No.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

You just said just go to the.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

B. I just said create a level of, you know, separation to a degree. Not trying to segregate. N cuz I'm just saying like, give us our space to congregate, fraternize, fellowship for two minutes. I wanted to create a space for black Americans to turn up and have a good time black people in general. Because I know people were like, is this for black Americans? Is this for. It was like. I wanted to promote black unity and black community, which is why you see me depicted cloaked in this Black American Heritage flag, which I want to encourage people to support and buy straight from the source. You can get it on Blackletic where Blackletics not sponsored, by the way. Not sponsored at all. I just want to. I saw people were buying the flag and you can kind of buy these dupes from like Amazon and different, like Chinese vendors. And I want to encourage people to shop straight from the source, which is where Blackletics. He, he collaborated. His name is Rodney. He collaborated with Joy, who is the. The daughter of Melvin Charles who was a co creator of the Black American Heritage flag. So. And I had a talk with her earlier this week because I. Well, a couple weeks ago, because I want to make sure that I had the origin story of the Black American Heritage flag correct, which was basically. They created it in 1967 to basically acknowledge black Americans for their contributions to America because. And it also just create some representation because at the time we were being identified as Negroes, like they didn't really want to acknowledge us as people. We didn't have our own flag. We were kind of like they were paying us dust. And so they created this flag so that we can fly it and represent the black American culture and our contributions to this country. So. And a lot of people at the time didn't really resonate with the American flag either. So it was like we had something of our own. So you see me cloaked in the Black American Heritage flag in the video, but then you also see the flags behind me, the ethnic flags behind me stitched together Nigerian flags. And you know, and I, I wanted to make sure. What was important to me was like I said, to promote black unity and black community because under the umbrella of white supremacy and racism. We are all black here in this country and cops pull us over. They're not asking you, hey, are you Jamaican?

[DJ Envy]

That's a fact.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Are you? Where are you from?

[DJ Envy]

That's a fact.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

They're not asking that. You just black. So I wanted to detail these shared experiences across the diaspora, and I know it has upset a couple of people, which I I can understand to a because I feel like black Americans, we want so badly to be represented and we want something of our own because we feel like people have taken from our culture. And I understand that to a degree and still do. So I understand the frustration about incorporating the other flags. But I'm just here to detail what I was trying to depict, and that was black unity and black community. And I'm not trying to divide the diaspora. That will never be my intentions. Unfortunately, that's just not what I'm trying to do. I'm here to bring us together.

[DJ Envy]

I knew you had something when I.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Podcast Narrator]

In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, two young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead, the other tried for murder not once. People went wild, not twice, stunned, but three times. John and Anne Bender are rich and attractive and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble and our culture couple retreat from reality.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They lose it.

[DJ Envy]

They actually lose it.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

They sort of went nuts.

[Podcast Narrator]

Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ed Helms]

Hey, it's Ed Helms. And welcome back to Snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw ups. On our new season, we're bringing you a new Snafu Every single episode.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

You're like, wait, stop. What?

[DJ Envy]

Ernie Shackleton sounds like a solid 70s.

[Ed Helms]

Basketball player who still wore knee pads.

[DJ Envy]

Yes.

[Ed Helms]

It's gonna be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of guests. The great Paul Scheer made me feel good.

[DJ Envy]

I'm like, oh, wow.

[Ed Helms]

Angela and Jenna, I am so psyched you're here.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

What was that like for you to.

[Podcast Advertiser]

Soft launch into the show?

[Ed Helms]

Sorry, Jenna, I'll be asking the questions today.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Ed Helms]

Nick Kroll. I hope this story is good enough to get you to toss that sandwich. So let's, let's, let's see how it goes. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[DJ Envy]

First, the song that morning on YouTube and all I saw was reaction videos of people upset.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Oh, yeah, they was mad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He literally did that in here.

[DJ Envy]

Like, how is this. I was like, is this real? They just mad already. I'm like, when this song came out, it was only six days ago.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They were mad.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I was. I expected white people to be mad. I really don't give a damn what white people think about me. I expected for them to be mad. I got that. That made sense to me because white people. Here's the thing with white people. And it's not that I'm saying that all white people are bad. Right. You know, they be saying my like, I got a black best friend. My best friend is white. Yeah. You know?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

She's taking a page out of their book. So it's not that I'm saying white people are bad, but I think she.

[DJ Envy]

Wasn'T in the video.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She wouldn't been in the back.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

She was theirs in the back.

[DJ Envy]

She said everybody else Latino. Somebody said that to me this morning. It was like, she got a Latino best friend.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Oh my God. Just cuz she tatted.

[DJ Envy]

I promise you, somebody said that to me.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

She's so misunderstood. Shout out to kt. That's my best friend. But it's like I feel like white pe. What they need to understand is that they've been conditioned a certain type of way under this because I feel like racism is a fundamental issue and they've been conditioned to this certain type of teaching in a certain type of way subconsciously. So I feel like consciously it needs to be called out and it needs to be unlearned. That's my only thing that I want to make clear. It's not that I'm saying all white people are bad. So they were mad. I didn't give a damn about that. I didn't care. And they were like, well, what if white people made a song like this? White people have done worse. Let's be clear, they've done way worse in real life. And there is a song, actually, I saw it the other day.

[DJ Envy]

There was a song or the one about lynching.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Exactly, exactly. So I was like, what the hell are we talking about? Yeah, what are we talking about? But yeah, I expected them to be mad, but I didn't expect for so many people in my community to be upset.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

And then I kind of like did my homework and I'm like, what is it that is upsetting people? And I got down to the root of it and I'm like, all right, I see what's happening here. I can't listen, I can't do all this right. This is too much. All I' ma say is what I wanted to clearly articulate. And that was, like I said, black community, black love, black unity and detail. These, like I said, shared experiences across the diaspora that we can't control. Our grandmothers are very similar.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So I wanted to detail that.

[DJ Envy]

Sometimes you just gotta tell people it's a black thing. You wouldn't understand, you wouldn't get. Don't need an explanation.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

It don't need no Explanation. And it should be. Actually should be gay kept. I think a lot of our culture should be kept close to us because, you know, white people, they keep whatever they want to keep close to them is kept very close to them. There's a lot of shit that's kept away from us. And I feel like we should have the same pride and integrity about our culture. And it's not about being exclusionary. It's just showcasing a level of pride and reverence and respect for what's been put in place historically.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You are 24 years old. You are so, like, just intelligent, brilliant, educating. You're informative.

[DJ Envy]

Y' all sound like white people.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

What?

[DJ Envy]

Y' all sound like white people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sound like white people.

[DJ Envy]

Y' all sound like white people.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Saying that they do sound like white people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What are you talking about? Because I'm giving another young black woman.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Sometimes I'll be like.

[DJ Envy]

That don't mean she white. No. That means she's just an intelligent black woman.

[Ed Helms]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't want to boy people into this.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Why don't you say that? What make you say that? Why? We sound like they sound like white people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I don't like that.

[DJ Envy]

No, no, no, no. I said st. She be sounding like white people using big words.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

You just used a couple words that I didn't know you was going to like.

[DJ Envy]

That don't mean you white. That just means she's intelligent.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

No, no, no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Before Stunner said that he can say whatever he want to say about his.

[DJ Envy]

Wife because you looked at her.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

You know why?

[DJ Envy]

You know why? Cuz you looked at her and you said, wow, you're 24 years old and you sound so intelligent. I wondered.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

No, I didn't.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

No, I didn't.

[DJ Envy]

You didn't say that.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I did not say.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She said. Please. I did not say. She sound so intelligent. I said, You're 24 years old. You are so intelligent. You're informative, you're educating. You're like. It's affirmation. I did not say that.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Like, I don't think she means it.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

But I don't think she means it.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I get what you mean, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All that she's gone through that could.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Be black or white.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

She talking about age and the maturity level when she. When you're. When speaking to her.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

And the comprehension story.

[DJ Envy]

Somebody told me the other day when little John was on the Apprentice and Donald Trump used to say, come look at little John talk. Y' all gotta hear John. He's so intelligent.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Oh, my God.

[DJ Envy]

Cause you got the dreads Right. And the gold grill. You know what I mean?

[Interview Host or Co-host]

I don't think she meant that like that.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I get what you say. If it was coming from my. If it was coming, I would be like, what you mean by that? But I understand exactly what you mean, because I think, like, just especially with the rhetoric, with the shit that's being pushed on us right now, I think I. I get what you mean. Like, to bring light to these subjects and, you know, explain some of these topics that we don't really talk about in our generation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We don't talk about it. We don't hear about it from young people enough. You know, like that history lesson you just gave us on that flag. You know what I mean? That you. You intentionally put in your video.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah, that's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? Like, all of that and then everything that you've been through, you could have went a whole nother way. You could have. You know what I'm saying?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Like, yeah, for sure. Like, I grew up around people, and it's so crazy to see the difference in how trauma has affected us. And I don't fault anybody for the path that they chose, because you really never. I feel blessed. I don't know what it was that steered me this way, because I could have been. I could have done anything in this life, because I grew up with people. And we all grew up. We started at the same point. We experienced some of the same things. Some of the people I was hospitalized with, we share some of the same experiences, and we've all kind of taken different paths, but we still stay closely connected. But it's like, this is why I advocate the way that I do, because I think people misunderstand my upbringing. Or they see me or just like. Or they see somebody who's poised and put together, and they think like. Or well spoken, articulate, and they're like, oh, my gosh, she's so like, you know, they have no idea. The things that I've seen, the things I witnessed, things that I've experienced.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I admire it. It's inspirational, like, so that's what I'm saying.

[DJ Envy]

I'm definitely glad you answered your call. Is that Don Julio Records? Is that really about Stunna for Vegas not answering the phone?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yes, it was.

[DJ Envy]

Why you ain't answering the phone? Why you ain't answer the call?

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Made a good song.

[DJ Envy]

A blessing on your line and you ain't pick up.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Stunna, get him.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

I caught her back.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

He called me back halfway through the song, and I was like, I even.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Did no, like, that just made the song. She just shouldn't have said it in the interview.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I shouldn't have. But I. I was being honest, though, because everybody's like, when you lie, you gotta keep up with the lie. So I feel like the first time somebody asked me what was the origin of the song, I was just like, oh, yeah. This is what happened. Because it was just like the most readily available answer that I had, which was the truth. Maybe I probably shouldn't have said that, but it was true. I mean, he called me back halfway through the song, but I was already knee deep. I was like, oh, no. I was already. I was vibing. I was loving the song. I knew it was a hit.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

There was no point for her to be.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I shouldn't have said that.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

What you doing? Why you answer?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

He was shooting a video.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Oh, well, I mean, it happens every now and then. It might happen, you know?

[DJ Envy]

She said, she's looking at you decide. That was his story. He better stick to it.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

No, I was really shooting the video.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I was calling him and I was like, why is he not.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

I don't be doing no sucker, bro. That why I don't even. Like, when, like, a normal person walk up to us and joke about that song. I'd be ready to be like, bro, I'll slap the out of you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I should have said that.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Hopefully it's not nobody with me for little brother be like, bro, we'll slap the out of you. Because I don't even play like his bros is crazy.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

My best friend sent me that song. That's. This is how my best friend sent me that song and was like, this is you. Y' all are spirit animals.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I was like, what's your sign?

[Interview Host or Co-host]

I'm a sad Scorpio cuss.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Okay.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

When your birthday?

[Interview Host or Co-host]

November 22nd.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Oh, fire. My granny's birthday, November 23rd. Oh.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

So she. She's fun, but she's fun.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah, she crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How did the link up with Lizzo happen?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

So she's from Houston, so she reached out to me. She was like, hey, you know, I gotta. Do you have any. Anything you want me to get on? And I didn't have anything at the time. And I was like, I'm recording this week. I'm recording all week. If I find something, I'll send it to you. And I send it to her. She sent it right back. Same day? Yeah, she sent it back same day. Which is very rare in this industry. I'm saying that because I don't even be sending back the Same day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Because I be needing to sit with stuff or I be needing to get to the studio. Maybe I don't got a studio plan for another two weeks. Like, it just worked out that way. So I'm very appreciative that she sent me that verse back so quick. I never experienced nothing, like, especially from us a. A star like Lizzo, like, somebody who is so accomplished like her, I would have thought that she would have gave me the run around, but she was really adamant about doing the song because she was kind of like, she's entering this rap phase, and I'm just happy to facilitate.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, that's dope.

[DJ Envy]

Is it true?

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

You.

[DJ Envy]

You, you, you and the baby back good, right?

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

We. We speak. We speak. I mean, we speak. Yeah, we speak.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

We keep it hot, baby.

[DJ Envy]

I heard you facilitated that combo. Is that true?

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Did you?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I didn't facilitate that convo. I don't know him personally, but it.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Was like, I facilitated that combo.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah. I was on tour with talking to.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

You, and he told you. Like, that's how just reached. That's how we seen. I seen it up there. I'm like, even when I reached out to him, I was reaching out to him on some grown man. Like, I'm gonna take my lick. Like, I was the reason why we separated, because it was shit going on outside the business. You feel me? So I moved around, and when I hit him up, I probably moved around before I hit him up. I moved around with animosity on my chest you gave me. So when I hit him up, it was more so, like, not getting it off, but it was definitely like, man, bro, I'm gonna take accountability. Like, I went left. Feel me? I should have came and spoke to you about certain. You feel me? But it was nothing like, man, bro, you hear me? Like, I want to get back to that. Like, this is the only duo I'm worried about. You feel me? So, like, when I reaching out to him on some real, it's like, well, I really do miss my brother. You hear me? That's all it was. It wasn't nothing, and it wasn't about no. I needed a song. I'm trying to get back to right there with none of that. Like, I miss my brother. You feel me? We done been through enough. Like, it wasn't just straight music where I'm like, man, how the hell Shaw didn't hit me up yet? Yeah, but we did end up speaking when I. We was on tour. That's how it kind of happened because I. I was on tour with my wife. She was on tour with Don Tolliver. I was playing around. I got into it, like, wreck on Don Tolliver bike and, like, messed up, like, fractured every bone in my face and stuff like that. And then when Leo posted about it, like, basically letting it be known that I'm straight, probably like a day later, he. He reached out to me responding back to the DM that he told y' all about. So I had hit him before, you feel me? Before he came up here and told y', all, and he still didn't even reach back. Like, whatever he said, he told y', all, like, oh, yeah, it's good. But even then I know, bro. Like, I really know him. So I'm like, however. When I sent the message to him, I'm like, however he react, I'm not tripping because I'm taking accountability for even letting this shit get this distant. God moved around without saying anything. I moved around without saying, like, oh, this going on or somebody saying this. Somebody. I just moved around and. But even then, because I ain't got nothing against, bro. Lumina, duh. Like, I look at it like, when I moved around, I was like, that's what I was supposed to do. Oh, God, that what I was supposed to do, bro. Cause that's just what I was supposed to do.

[DJ Envy]

What was the issue, though? Cause it's not like you didn't have your own identity, even being with Dababy. Like, people knew who Stunner 4 was and you was on your own trajectory. You didn't feel like that.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah, that's what it felt like, though. It might not have been that. That's what it felt like, though. And that ain't got nothing to do with him. You feel me? We was bruh. It was just that happened too quick. That I can really say this is my career. Like, I can say it happened so quick that it was probably too much for everybody and not just me. But at first I used to look at it like, man, that was too much for me, bro. Like, before that, I was in a two bedroom apartment that was getting shot up. My mama's at that, like, seven in there. My sister's in there. Still. Still going to school every day, whatever. Like, I look at it like it was just too much for everybody from me, bruh, Interscope, everybody. You feel me? You feel me? Cause I did my part. Like, I ain't never end up how any of my peers ended up that we was doing the same thing on and off Instagram. We was doing the same exact thing. I ain't end up like nobody else. I ain't never get one of my close partners indicted. You fear me killed. Nothing I ain't do. I felt like. I felt like. Only thing I did wrong was just off money. Because I'm a genuine guy at heart. Already with anybody I come across, like the bus driver, the janitor, the president, everybody got, like, no big use. No, you hear me? Whatever. So I'm like, man, it was just too much, bro. It was just too much for everybody. Like, because like I say, it can feel or it can even look like something to y', all, but over here is something totally different. Like, I was really surviving my whole time over there. Not even just with Billion Dollar Baby, like, with Interscope being our help. I was surviving. I wasn't. I wasn't top of the line like everybody thought it would, bro. Was top of the line for sure for me. I was, like, surviving. I was trying to get through the. I was trying to. I'm paying lawyer fees. I'm doing, like, everything that artists do around my age. Like, thinking that we grown already or, like, oh, yeah, I'm a man. Like, I'm out here. You feel me? So, like, I say, I can say, yeah, it felt like that, or it even looked like that. But now I'm 29 years old and I can look back on. Wake up every day with my wife, breakfast, lunch, dinner, feel me, wake up with my son, go to the studio when I want to. Like, I see this for what it really is. So I know when a get on that, talking about, like, man, I gotta take this risk for the family, gotta get away from that. Be cap that shit. Be total cap. Because I know, like, even now, I'm bigger than I was before, bro. I just was, like, streaming music and it was dropping so much. I was dropping it through a company or whatever, versus, like, now that's what I'm getting back to doing. But my music is better than it's ever been. I'm really, like, genuinely happy. I really feel like I was talking to Young Thug the other day. He was like, how'd you. For real, bro? How'd you feel? I said, I'm better than I ever been. Like, I ain't just saying that to you either. I'm better than I ever been before I got some money. When I got some money, like, everything, bro. I look at it like a lesson and not a loss. So I just say it was just too much for everybody. But it was supposed to happen. It. It put me in position to be Here today fear me. It put me in position to learn, like, about a lot of stuff that a lot of guys can't come in that bit with the biggest rapper at the time. Like, I'm coming through here with the baby. So I'm gonna meet Drake, I'm gonna meet Gucci, I'm gonna meet every rapper. I'm gonna watch this rapper do lame that I used to look up to out. I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna see all of it femi. And then when I finally get to that moment with myself where I'm like, man, why ain't text this back? Or why I follow this? What am I doing? Like, this ain't me. I get to break down all that that I seen from everything. And I. And then I just tell myself, like, it was supposed to happen like that versus before my wife came around too. I was definitely telling myself, all right, bet. I'm about to move to Houston. About to move to Houston. I'm about to run on some paper. You feel me? I'm about to woo. I'm about to take a break from North Carolina before I go to jail or do something wrong. Feel me? I'm about to move to Houston. I'm about to. And then when I meet her, I damn near start telling myself, like, I did my first on the radar. I did that first interview. I told him in an interview, I was like, man, I'm done rapping. And from there. From there. When I said that out loud, like, I'm done rapping. I ain't do no freestyle. On the radar. From there, that's when everybody come up with the narrative. Oh, baby did this. He dropped him. He did it. He's gonna feel out. But I really, literally, like, was that on the radar, like, just burnt? You can go look at the interview right now. Like, look at my face and you can tell, like, bro, that did not want to do this. Like, I was sober in that interview, but I was just like, man, this, like, everything about it is not what I expected. Like, feel me?

[DJ Envy]

But just the industry in general.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah, yeah, at the time. But like, I say all that's supposed to happen, bro. Like, I supposed to watch the industry go through the ups and downs that it went through as an industry alone. Because I used to look at it, like, is it me going through the ups and downs? And I don't know. I'm a good. I'm a good dude. Like, but I'm watching fuck niggas go straight ups every time. So I'm like, is it Me. But I'm also watching, like, as a year go by, another year go by, I'm like, it's really the industry. Cause you can see I don't want to use no names. But you know, shit. Like, the day me and Leo got married, our name was beside whoever y' all wanted to say it was. But a week before that, the narrative was that maybe I fell off. Or maybe, whatever it was, maybe I'm around my wife cause of what she got going on. Whatever it was. You feel me? They had every narrative that they wanted to put out there until we just, like I say, put it on the Internet. Like, this is the narrative. Like, or people seeing me cry and like, that I thought, like, in reality, I'm not tripping about that. Or when my wife said, me, we going to do the ceremony. Because I'm like, you supposed to cry. I cry for a that died gang. You think I'm not about to cry for my wife?

[DJ Envy]

Damn right.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

You feel me?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Damn right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

You feel me? Like, I feel the same way about. Like, they'd be like, oh, you tender if you. I'll be like, I'm Right Now, I'm gonna be the first one to tell you straight up. I am like. And even if she. She wouldn't do that. But he. It don't matter. I'm tender. You feel me? Because the same way you play with my homeboy, I know how I'm gonna react. How you doing, my rat? You play with my son, mama.

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely. Word up. And also, because of the trauma we've been through, we don't expect tears of joy. Nah, you supposed to shed tears of joy at your wedding.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

I was crying for, like, 10 minutes in the shower before I put my suit on. My homeboy's out there getting ready. I'm just in that. Trying to clean up. Like, someone go out there looking toe up.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

I'm like, this really going on today. That's why I was telling myself in the shower. Yeah, for sure. That was, like. Probably the biggest thing I ever did was, like, biggest moment my life other than my son. Like, no tour, no show, no big chick could amount to that day, for sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Congratulations.

[DJ Envy]

Proverbs, 18:22. Man. He who finds a wife, finds a good thing, and obtains favor from the Lord.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I really, really admire y', all, which I got y'.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Thank you, Palace.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

The.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The empire y' all building.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How y' all raising y' all little boys? How you're breaking generational curses.

[DJ Envy]

House.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's gonna get. It's Going to get easier and easier with time with your dad if you just keep going, you know, like. Like Mona said, it's hard for you, and it's also hard for him. But I. I know it'll get. It'll get right, you know, so.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Yeah. Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Let's end this. Because she giving you that look like she want to go make another one.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Man.

[DJ Envy]

Look at each other.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

They definitely, you know.

[DJ Envy]

Yes, but no. Who did? The body comes out this Friday.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

This Friday.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

17.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And look at them.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Look at them. Look at us. You see that People stamp?

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Yeah.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

I'm so proud of us. Look at us. People magazine stamp.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. I love it.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Keep going.

[DJ Envy]

Generational curse breakers, man. That's the best work that y' all can do. Not being afraid to come out here and tell y' all stories and just being this amazing example of black love, man. Salute to y'.

[Interview Host or Co-host]

All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Thank you so much.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

Absolutely.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Thank y'. All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Thank y' all for having us.

[DJ Envy]

It's Mona Leo. It's the Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Mona Leo. It's not Mona Leo.

[DJ Envy]

Mona Leo.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

Mona Leo.

[DJ Envy]

Mona Leo.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You sound white.

[Ed Helms]

Hey, it's Ed Helms, host of Snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw ups. On our new season, we're bringing you a new snafu every single episode.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

You're like, wait, stop. What?

[Ed Helms]

Yeah, it's gonna be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of fabulous guests. Paul Scheer, Angela and Jenna, Nick Kroll, Jordan Klepper. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Hello, America's sweetheart. Johnny Knoxville here. I want to tell you about my new true crime podcast, Crimeless Hillbilly Heist from Smartless Media, Campside Media, and big money Players. It's a wild tale about a gang of high functioning nitwits who somehow pulled off America's third largest cash heist.

[Ed Helms]

Kind of like Robin Hood, except for.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

The part where he steals from the rich and gives to the poor. I'm not that generous.

[Johnny Knoxville]

It's a damn near inspiring true story for anyone out there who's ever shot from the moon, then just totally muffed up the landing.

[Ed Helms]

They stole $17 million and had not bought a ticket to help him escape.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So we're sitting like, oh, God, what do we do?

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

What do we do?

[DJ Envy]

That was dumb.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

People do not follow my example.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Listen to Crimeless Hillbilly. Heist on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Podcast Narrator]

Two rich young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over, but one of them will end up and the other tried for murder three times. It starts with a dream, a nature reserve and a spectacular new home. But little by little, they lose it.

[Stunna 4 Vegas]

They actually lose it.

[Podcast Narrator]

They sort of went nuts until one night everything spins out of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Short on time, but big on true crime. On a recent episode of the podcast Hunting for Answers, I highlighted the story of 19 year old Lachey Dungey. But she never knocked on that door. She never made it inside. And that text message would be the last time anyone would ever hear from her. Listen to Hunting for Answers from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Stunna 4 Vegas' Wife]

This is an iHeart podcast.