INTERVIEW: Nataanii Means & ANTOINEX Speak On Indigenous Peoples' Day, Native Misconceptions, Hip Hop + More

Summary

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The Breakfast Club | INTERVIEW: Nataanii Means & ANTOINEX Speak On Indigenous Peoples' Day, Native Misconceptions, Hip Hop + More

Date: October 13, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts, The Breakfast Club (Charlamagne Tha God, DJ Envy, Lauren LaRosa sitting in for Envy and Jess Hilarious)
Guests: Nataanii Means, Antone X (ANTOINE X)

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Episode Overview

This episode celebrates Indigenous Peoples' Day with Native hip hop artists Nataanii Means and Antone X (Antoine X), discussing the significance of the day, Native identities, misconceptions, Native hip hop, and cultural revitalization. The conversation covers representation, struggles and triumphs on the reservation, language revitalization, collaboration with Black culture, myths about Native people, and the importance of unity and community uplift through music.

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Main Topics & Key Insights

1. Significance & Complexity of Indigenous Peoples’ Day

• Guests express gratitude for the platform and recognition, highlighting how rare it is for Native voices to reach mainstream media ([02:47–03:56]).

• They discuss the duality of Indigenous Peoples’ Day and Columbus Day and the long-standing fight for proper recognition.

  • "It feels good to be here and be recognized. And to be on a platform like this... means the world to us and to our people, too. A lot of our people don't get to be on platforms like this." — Nataanii Means [02:47]

• Despite struggles, the day is about celebration and resilience, not just trauma.

  • "We want to celebrate. You know, we're here right now, and we're thriving. We're making it out of places that they didn't want us to make it out of." — Antone X [03:23]

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2. Defining Indigenous Hip Hop & Its Role

• Indigenous Hip Hop is not about cultural appropriation but using hip hop to tell Native stories.

  • "We're not hijacking the culture is what I want to make clear. It's...just adding onto it to grow the culture." — Nataanii Means [05:12]

• The music serves as a vehicle for contemporary Native expression, tackling underrepresentation, stereotyping, and erasure.

• Shared histories of struggle connect Black and Indigenous communities through music and activism ([05:44]).

Notable Moments:

• "Hip hop saved a lot of our lives. R and B Hip hop on the reservations, because we heard it as a music of the struggle, music that you could tell your story with." — Nataanii Means [05:44]

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3. Contemporary Native Identity and Representation

• Guests reject the idea that Native identity is monolithic or stuck in the past ([07:06–10:12]).

  • “To be a Native person in general...is walking two worlds…deeply tied to our culture...and then there's this other world, the mainstream world, that's like, hey, get the bag at all costs.” — Antone X [07:16]

• Stressing diversity: Over 560 nations in the U.S., each with separate languages, ceremonies, and traditions. Representation is individual, not collective ([10:02–10:17]).

Memorable Quote:

• "We don't represent all nations. Right now there's 500, over 560 different nations in this country." — Nataanii Means [10:02]

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4. Elders, Tradition, and Language Revitalization

• The role of elders is discussed (knowledge vs. age).

• The tension and pride surrounding incorporating traditional songs/language into hip hop ([15:23–17:18]).

  • "We incorporate our traditional sound. Tone's a singer. He's a traditional singer…We bring our drums into it. We add it into the beats. We're always gonna bring the culture into it." — Nataanii Means [14:07]

• Music as a force for reviving dying Native languages and reconnecting youth.

  • "I incorporated some umaha language, which almost died out some years ago, and I put it into a dance hall record... now we have little kids singing it, and...we're bringing language back." — Antone X [16:10]

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5. Challenging the Education System & Policy Setbacks

• The removal of Indigenous Peoples’ Day as a federal holiday is discussed as a setback ([18:23–20:22]).

  • "The history isn't taught because they want to forget the history...they want to make it seem like genocide, slavery didn't happen." — Nataanii Means [19:08]

  • "We're here. We're wearing long hair. My grandpa had his hair cut in boarding school…here we are, you know, and we're merging cultures together to be able to speak our language and have a sense of pride in it." — Nataanii Means [19:08]

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6. Common Misconceptions and Stereotypes about Native Peoples

Key Stereotypes Addressed:

• Brutality on reservations ("cutting hands off for stealing") — debunked as myth ([27:31]).
• Alcoholism as an inherent trait — refuted with personal stories ([28:41–29:33]).
• "Free government money" and not paying taxes — debunked ([30:13–31:38]).
• Living in teepees and lack of modern amenities — discussed realities of poverty, but also progress.
• They clarify the reality: severe socio-economic hardship is true in many places, but the community is clawing out for better conditions ([32:21–34:21]).

Notable Quotes:

• "My whole entire life as a native person, 100%, I've never had one taste of alcohol my entire life...that's just what I chose to walk. In our way, we call that the red road." — Antone X [28:51]

• "We pay taxes, you know what I'm saying?...It just so happens that our ancestors paid the worst tax." — Nataanii Means [30:23-31:38]

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7. Community Uplift & Native Economic Success

• Discussion of “Native Entertainment Sphere,” entrepreneurship, keeping money in the community, and the rise of Native businesses ([32:53–33:25]).

• Examples of Native Fashion Week and thriving music/festival scenes.

  • "When we keep native money in the native community…it's popping and getting that to be able to be recognized in the mainstream is a goal." — Nataanii Means [32:53]

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8. Unity and Cross-Cultural Connection

• Emphasized the need for unity among marginalized groups, with music serving as a bridge ([34:50]).

  • "You just gotta find that energy that you gravitate towards. Find like minded people and black, brown, indigenous. Everybody just gotta click up, you know, Even the good white folk." — DJ Envy [34:58]

• Oral tradition remembers pre-contact trade routes and connections to Africa and the Pacific ([37:14–38:39]).

  • "We had trade routes from...the Pacific Islands...Africa would come and trade all the way from South America, Atlantic, all the way up into New...Newfoundland. So we have, like, every nation has stories of these trade routes that are happening." — Nataanii Means [37:14]

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9. Native Community Events: Powwows and Food

• The powwow is described as the heart of Native celebration — invitation for all to respectfully attend ([41:48–44:13]).
• Discussion about “survival food” like fry bread versus traditional Native cuisine.

Notable Quotes:

• "If you're trying to connect with indigenous community, go check out a powwow and be respectful, you know? But you're always welcome there." — Nataanii Means [44:13]

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10. Music as Medicine & Closing Reflections

• Descriptions of community support at shows and the importance of moving “for and with the people.”

  • "If you tap into the artist, that door opens, and we open that door for all native artists, brands, businesses, all of that..." — Antone X [47:17]

• An Indigenous prayer song is shared as an act of healing and uplift for the community ([48:18–50:35]).

  • "For us, music is medicine because it’s in our ceremonies...the best prayer in the world, man, is through this song." — Antone X [48:18, 50:35]

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Timestamps for Major Topics

| Time | Topic | |:------------:|:-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:42 | Introduction — significance of Indigenous Peoples' Day | | 03:23 | Platform access; celebration vs. trauma | | 04:02–05:44 | Indigenous hip hop, representation, and shared struggle | | 07:06–10:12 | Contemporary Native identity; diversity among tribes | | 12:05–14:49 | Elders’ view on hip hop; youth, tradition, and blending culture | | 16:10–17:18 | Language revitalization through music | | 18:35–20:22 | Federal policy; removal of Indigenous Peoples' Day | | 27:28–31:38 | Addressing myths and stereotypes | | 32:21–34:21 | Life on reservations—struggles and entrepreneurship | | 34:50–38:39 | Unity, cross-cultural ties, oral traditions | | 41:48–45:02 | Powwows, food, and entry points to Native community | | 48:18–50:35 | Closing with a prayer song; music as medicine |

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On platform visibility:
  "It means the world to us and to our people, too. A lot of our people don't get to get to be on platforms like this. We come from the reservations." — Nataanii Means [02:47]

• On cultural appropriation vs. appreciation:
  "We're just adding onto it to grow the culture and to be connected more. Because hip hop saved a lot of our lives." — Nataanii Means [05:44]

• On resisting monolithic narratives:
  "We don't represent all nations. Right now there's 500, over 560 different nations in this country." — Nataanii Means [10:02]

• On stereotypes about Native people:
  "My whole entire life as a native person, 100%, I've never had one taste of alcohol my entire life." — Antone X [28:51]

• On unity in struggle:
  "Everybody just gotta click up, you know, Even the good white folk. Everybody just gotta click up." — DJ Envy [34:58]

• On reclaiming tradition:
  "If you tap into the artist, that door opens, and we open that door for all native artists, brands, businesses, all of that." — Antone X [47:17]

• On music as healing:
  "For us, music is medicine because it’s in our ceremonies...the best prayer in the world, man, is through this song." — Antone X [50:35]

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Episode Flow

• Opening: Importance of the day and being heard ([02:42])
• Defining Indigenous hip hop and the struggle for representation ([04:02–05:44])
• Discussing modern Native experiences, challenges, and diversity ([07:06–10:12])
• Highlighting intergenerational issues, innovation, and resilience ([12:05–14:49, 16:10–17:18])
• Reacting to policy changes and ongoing erasure ([18:35–20:22])
• Exploring and debunking deep-seated stereotypes ([27:28–31:38])
• Discussing challenges and successes in modern Native communities ([32:21–34:21])
• Stressing the power of solidarity, tradition, and music as a vehicle for change, ending on a spiritual note ([41:48–51:42])

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Conclusion

This interview is a vibrant, candid celebration of Indigenous life and resilience in 2025, mixing humor, hard truths, and hope. Nataanii Means and Antone X shed light on modern Native existence, address stereotypes head-on, and show how music serves as resistance, medicine, and a bridge to unity. The episode is an invitation for greater understanding, respect, and solidarity between cultures, echoing the spirit of Indigenous Peoples’ Day.

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Transcript

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[Antone X]

Hold up.

[DJ Envy]

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[Mark Delicato]

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[DJ Envy]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Mark Delicato]

What's up? What's up, everybody? Good morning. Yeah, good morning. Good to be here.

[DJ Envy]

How are y' all feeling, man, on this day? What does this day mean to y' all personally?

[Mark Delicato]

Well, you know, it's a day of. It's funny because there's one side of it that's supposedly Columbus Day, right? Then there's the other half of it that's Indigenous Peoples Day, which we've been fighting to have and then fighting to get rid of. So right now, with everything that's going on, it feels good to be here and be recognized. And to be on a platform like this is just like. It means the world to us and to our people, too. A lot of our people don't get to get to be on platforms like this. We come from the reservations. You know what I mean? So it's a beautiful thing.

[Antone X]

Yeah, I think a lot of times we come onto platforms and we're asked about the past, about the traumas which are there. But today, you know, we want to celebrate. You know, we're here right now, and we're thriving. We're making it out of places that they didn't want us to make it out of. And, you know, we're kicking it on the Breakfast Club, you know what I mean? As artists, this is. You know, this is historic. I wanna say that this is historic for Native music. So for Native people just to be here and to be able to speak on what we are today, who we are today, and just, you know, represent, you know, it's a beautiful thing.

[DJ Envy]

What is indigenous hip hop? Cause people will hear that and be like, indigenous hip hop is the Bronx.

[Antone X]

It is. It is.

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely.

[Antone X]

So what? You know what I mean? With Native music, it's just us being able to use hip hop, you know, respectfully, to tell our stories, which is like, you know, there's people wonder, like, what is it like on the reservation? And it's like, yeah, there's overlapping struggles that are similar to, like, what it. Cause I live in Omaha, Nebraska, and, you know, I know what the hood is like, and I know what the rez is like. And there's, like, so many differences that people don't even know of. You know, they're like, be shocked that there's Third World countries an hour away from the city and all these luxuries, you know what I mean? And that's. That's where our people come from. And we get to talk about it. We get to talk about things, you know, being erased. You know, we're not. We least representation in media. People think we're still living in teepees. They still think that we have to wear certain things to be seen. And what we're trying to do right now through music is just, you know, like, this is our story and just hear our voices. We shouldn't have to, like, become like, fit an image just to be seen and in order for you. For people to listen, you know, listen to us and. And hear our stories.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah. Like, it's. It's 2025 right now, and. And people are still, like, stuck in the romanticized version of what natives are. Right? Like, you have to be living in a TP or you got like. Or people don't even know we exist. And you say indigenous hip hop. It's funny because on Saturday, we just did indigenous hip hop festival in the Bronx, in the South Bronx. And on Friday, we met Cool Herc. He came and Cindy Campbell came and did a talk at the hostel center.

[DJ Envy]

And.

[Mark Delicato]

I got to perform with different indigenous people from all across the Western Hemisphere, from the tips of Chile, Peru, all the way up to Canada and me representing here. So indigenous hip hop is more like, you know, we. We understand that where hip hop comes from is black culture. It comes from here. It comes from the roots of Africa, which is tribal roots. You know what I mean? And the way we relate to it is from a. Is from an indigenous perspective. Like, we relate to the sounds, we relate to the storytelling. And we're bringing. We're not hijacking the culture is what. Is what I want to make clear. It's. We're just adding onto it to grow the culture and to be connected more. Because hip hop saved a lot of our lives. R and B Hip hop on the reservations, because we heard it as a music of the struggle, music that you could tell your story with. And that's what we're doing. You know, we're relating it. And now being able to do it with you guys, with the black culture, black community, it's. It means the world. Because we've connected in ways with American Indian movement, the Black Panthers, the Brown Berets. So doing this with music is just another form of connection.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

What stories are you telling in your music that, like, you think people haven't heard enough of? Like, that you want people to, like, really get and understand?

[Mark Delicato]

Oh, man, we want to tell them about who we are right now.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

I Thought so talk about that. Like, what.

[Mark Delicato]

What.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

What is the image that people should have of Native people today?

[Antone X]

So real quick, just to get to that, like, people say, oh, Native rapper, you know, oh, you're a Native rapper. You're just a Native rapper. And I feel like for music, just anything Native, it's never just one thing. Like, to be a Native person in general, we always speak on it. Our elders speak on it. Our people is walking two worlds. And I think everyone could relate to that. You know what I mean? Like, we walk this world and we're deeply tied to our culture. You know what I mean? Like, our ways. We go to ceremonies, we do all of that. You know, like, we. We sing our traditional songs that are. They were. They were trying to wipe those out. You know, they were. They were murdering children for speaking the language and. And singing these songs. These songs made it through. And we currently sing those songs today in ceremony. And so we have this world where we walk with our teachings, our values, you know, compassion for each other, for people, for the land, for everything. And then there's this other world, the mainstream world, that's like, hey, get the bag at all costs, Dog eat dog. You know, like, boo boo. All that. And we have to walk these worlds. And I think to be a Native artist for us personally is just to put our world at the forefront and, like, you know, kind of navigate this world rather than trying to emerge into this and just like, slip in some of who we are. It's being who we are and just representing that. And the story would be, man, there's so much. It's. But it is. It all connects. You know, once you say, when you listen to our elders talk, it's always like a. Kind of a joke where you be like, oh, what is this? What's this drink? And then the elder just start going off for like an hour and then come back at the end of the hour and be like, oh, it brings me back to that, you know, but that's kind of what it is as a Native artist, because if you, you know, once we tell our story, you're hearing all these, you know, talking about the res, talking about just not being represented. I think the biggest thing is just to create our own. Just get inside the door, you know, and just be seen for who we are as a real representation who are Native people. We're artists. We can sing. We could rap. We have fashion. There's so many clothing lines. You know what I mean? There's brands, there's businesses. And right now, it's booming within the native community. We have our own little economy that we're trying to branch out into the mainstream world. And that's kind of where we're at. We're just trying to push these doors open and knock them down to be seen so people could just see individual stories. Because, I mean, when people say natives, you'd be like, oh, what about Native people? I can't tell you about all Native people, really. I could tell you the general. Like, everything overlaps, like, our teachings, same with indigenous people across the world. But all these, you know, like, he's. He's the net. Yeah.

[Mark Delicato]

One thing is, like, I want to make clear is that we don't represent all nations. Right. You know what I mean? Like, right now there's 500, over 560 different nations in this country.

[Antone X]

There's languages that ceremonies, that's separate, different traditions.

[Mark Delicato]

And we just represent our teachings and where we come from. But at the same time, we are out here trying to make people understand we're here, and then we live with y' all in this, in the mainstream societies, and we go through the same struggles right now. We're going through the same things right now with what's happening in this country. And what's happening to a lot of Americans is what happened to us on reservations. Rights being taken away, censorship. Your. Your right to pray. That's all that all happened to us. Genocide, Genocide. That happened to us. It happened to your ancestors. It happened to a lot of people's ancestors. Happened to white people's ancestors as well. And at some point, you know, we got to learn from the past, right. To know our future. And this is what it's about, man, like I said earlier, connection. It's about understanding each other and being able to represent who we are in the contemporary culture right now is important, you know, even my own people. Last night, a couple nights ago, a post got shared about the indigenous hip hop festival. And it's like, oh, we're appropriating their culture now. Somebody from my. From my community said that it's like, no, we're not appropriating, you know, hip hop culture. We just live together, you know, why can't we just all just live together? Understand?

[DJ Envy]

It's interesting. I wonder what the. Your elders, right, Because I'm thinking about how your community keeps, you know, that ancestral knowledge and traditions alive. But how do they feel about you using hip hop per se to do that? Because, you know, it's almost like in gospel music, they'll be like, oh, don't do none of that secular music, you know what I mean, bro?

[Antone X]

It's tough because, I mean, I don't think we fall into the category because, like, if the words that we speak, you know, the lyrics, we speak on some. Some real shit. Yeah. So there's. There are artists that just go out and talk crazy, you know what I mean? And it's like, you know, we're kind of, like, new to the game. We're new to a lot of things, you know what I mean? And as a people, so when we hear, like, our young kids talking about some crazy things, it's like, all right, you know, there's some better things to talk about. You know, you're not really. Yeah, it shouldn't be that, but. But. But I feel like that's a lot of communities, you know what I mean?

[DJ Envy]

And you ain't really busting your gun. You're not really selling no dough. We don't do that on the resident. Like, cut it out.

[Antone X]

But what is. What is crazy, though? I don't. I don't want to glorify this. I don't think it's something to necessarily. To be proud of. But there are a lot of that. Those types of things going on on the Res, you know, that's why I say that overlapping things. You know, there are, you know, all. Anything that you can think of in the hood is going on on the Res as well. But, you know, a lot of times platforms highlight that. You know, they'll come in with cameras and be like, hey, hey, can you show us the hood?

[Mark Delicato]

Can you show us, like, killing porn?

[Antone X]

Poverty porn? That's. That's what it is. And then I'm like, hey, why don't we go over here? And you see that all of this over here is like, people, you know, it's. You go to the border towns and next to any res, and it's always the most racist, right? And then they tell them, hey, don't go to the rescue. And there's so many crazy, like, stories I've heard, you know, oh, they'll do this to you. They'll do this. I'm like, you know what? The Res is probably one of the most safest places you could go. You go to any house and there's going to be some grandma that's like, yeah, yeah, come here. Feed you. You know what I mean? Because that's. It's community. It's community that a lot of times the city and people that are just a part of this mainstream society aren't used to because that's, like, an old thing that's not necessarily used nowadays.

[DJ Envy]

Are the elders proud of the music? Like, when they hear y', all, Like I said, you know, keeping certain traditions alive and ancestral knowledge and y' all putting it in the music. Are the elders proud of it?

[Mark Delicato]

One thing about us and Tone was getting into it was. Was that we. We incorporate our traditional sound. So Tone. Tone's a singer. He's a traditional singer. I can't sing. I'm not gonna try to ever. But Tone, he incorporates our traditional music into it. We bring our drums into it. We add it into the beats. We're always gonna bring the culture into it. But it's funny you say that, because I just did a show a couple weeks ago where I performed in the middle of the res, the Navajo Reyes, and it was to nothing but elders and their little grandkids who are running around. And sometimes it's like that. You don't have the moms. Moms and dads are working, or they're not around right now, or they're moved to the city to work. So. So the grandmas and grandpas are watching their kids, and it was a parent night at a high school, so they brought their kids. His elders. I'm talking, like, fluent speakers.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

What age are your elders? Because I know our elders getting a little younger. Because the parents are getting younger.

[Mark Delicato]

Yes, that's true. That's another, too. But when I. When I think of elders, I think, like, 60s. Not okay. You know what I mean?

[Antone X]

Honestly, like, it also goes on, like, the knowledge. Like, what knowledge do they care? You know?

[Mark Delicato]

Like, you could be an elder and older. You know what I mean?

[Antone X]

Hey, that's something, too. Elders and olders, you could be.

[Mark Delicato]

You could be an older person with no teachings, just an old fool. Yeah.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

Every day I be sitting with.

[Antone X]

An old just fool, but with that, too. I want to say, like, so I'm. I'm Lakota. Oh, my name's Antone X. I'm Umaha. I'm Lakota. On my Lakota side, I'm Oglala and Sichangu, and that's.

[DJ Envy]

We have no idea what that is.

[Antone X]

That's Sioux. That's my tribes. So my mom, she's Lakota, and that's the Sioux. And within the Lakota, there's bands, and I'm Oglala and Sichongu. The res would be Pine Ridge and Rosebud, and then my dad's full Omaha, which is the city Omaha is named after.

[DJ Envy]

Mm.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

Said.

[Mark Delicato]

I know.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah.

[Antone X]

You know what I mean? So the language. I remember being told, like, the language is dying. So we have things that we're still fighting to get back, which is like, languages and then there's languages. Like. Like the net that's thriving. But you know that. That was used to help win the war. What war was that?

[Mark Delicato]

World War II.

[Antone X]

So of course the government is gonna be, oh, yeah, yeah, we like language. They helped us win a war, you know, but other areas were, like, fighting, and now we're fighting to get our languages back. So with the music, you know, I. I am learning, but I incorporated some umaha language, which almost died out some years ago, and I put it into, like, a dance hall record. And now I have homies from Washington, and I'm like, you know what that means? Like, no, no. What's it mean? But you're speaking Umaha. Yeah. And now we have little kids singing it, and it's like. And it brings back that we're bringing language back. Language revitalization through music.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

I mean, dope music is dope music. Like, if you don't necessarily have to know the language. Think about when Big Pun did boricua. Borela. Yeah, exactly. I didn't know what that meant back then.

[Mark Delicato]

That's what it means.

[DJ Envy]

No, it means boricua is red. Red. What is boric?

[Charlemagne Tha God]

All I know is Puerto Ricans.

[DJ Envy]

Yes, girls.

[Antone X]

Puerto Ricans.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Antone X]

Now I'll be listening to Bad Bunny. I look at the lyrics.

[DJ Envy]

He just making dope or Afro beats. Like, you don't necessarily know every word, but they're just making dope music. Dope music is dope music.

[Mark Delicato]

Dope music is dope music.

[Antone X]

The language, you just could hum something and people are gonna feel it. That connects people. And even our traditional songs, you know, we sing those and some. Some songs, they'll be like, what's that mean? I'm like, it means all of this. And I can't really explain. Like, I can explain it, but it's gonna be so much to explain. But what does it say? Like, the words? There's no words in this specific song. It's like vocals. But that song is used for a specific thing within our ceremonies, and everyone knows that song for that. And I guess if you look at it from an outside perspective, that's what it is, is like. Would be like humming or vocals, but with meaning. You know what I mean? So, like, I feel like that, you know, if you hear our songs, you know, they're pretty ass songs, and you go, what the hell is that. But it's good. You know, you'll feel it.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

How. How offensive or. And I don't know if it's offensive. How do you guys feel about the fact that, like, schools still teach Columbus Day versus. There's no real conversation around Indigenous people Day?

[Antone X]

School's teaching everything.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

So much I didn't learn about that.

[Mark Delicato]

Until I got out of college.

[Antone X]

Teaching, you know, they're not teaching nothing.

[Mark Delicato]

So even. Just what happened recently, yesterday, the guy in the White House signed a. A proclamation or. What is it? What are they signing? What's he signing?

[DJ Envy]

Those executive order.

[Mark Delicato]

Executive orders to get rid of Indigenous Peoples Day on the calendar as a federal holiday. Now, it's always been Columbus Day. Federally recognized as Columbus Day. And then in 2021, Biden made Indigenous people today side by side with it, which is a step towards the right direction. But, you know, he undid that, and he just totally just said, we're doing away with Indigenous Peoples Day.

[Antone X]

Yesterday, right?

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah, yesterday. And that took years for. Of people to. To make happen. You know what I mean? To get that recognition just on the calendar.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Mark Delicato]

And what you're saying is true, man. Like, the. The history isn't taught because they want to forget the history. And it's happening right now, even with. With black history. They're getting rid of the history because they want to make. They want to make it seem like genocide, slavery didn't happen. Or they're okay with the genocide and slavery because it's happening right now all over the world still. We're just so desensitized to it. So we definitely don't with, like, I'm sorry, my bad. But we don't. We don't. We don't. We don't with. With how erased we're becoming. And this is one reason we pushed. Pushed so hard to get into these platforms, because people need to see us in the flesh. 2025, 2026 soon. And we're here. We're still here, man. Like, we're here. We're wearing long hair. My grandpa had his hair cut in boarding school. They had to forcefully cut their hair to disconnect them from their traditions and ways. Here we are, you know, and we're. We're merging cultures together to be able to speak our language and have. Have a sense of pride in it for our young kids. And our elders love it, you know.

[DJ Envy]

And it's wild with the. Even the. Him signing the executive order to, you know, not acknowledging Indigenous People Day because it. The executive order Biden signed was to acknowledge both so it's not like you had to get rid of either or, you know, so you didn't have to go out of your way to say there's no indigenous people.

[Mark Delicato]

That despite. I don't know, man. It's just. Everything's backwards now. You see what's happening, man? Everything's backwards.

[Antone X]

We're used to it.

[DJ Envy]

Tell us what that means.

[Antone X]

I mean, it's. It's erasure, bro. That's what it's been, you know?

[DJ Envy]

Oh, you say ain't nothing new.

[Antone X]

Nothing new.

[DJ Envy]

I'm sorry. I thought you. I did. I thought you said a word.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

I thought you were teaching him like I did. He didn't hear you.

[Antone X]

Oh, no. Yeah.

[Mark Delicato]

No, that's something, you know.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Tell me about this song, Scout Takers, man.

[Mark Delicato]

Oh, Scout Takers. I released that a couple weeks ago. And do people.

[DJ Envy]

Do the natives still participate in scout taking?

[Mark Delicato]

We're about to. With everything going. She's about to revive that. No, but. No, but the. The history of scalp scout taking, it comes from the French. Actually, the French did it first to Indians, and then we took it, and we kind of just did it back. Everything that happened to us, we did it back. But we. I mean, we have stories, we have societies. We call them societies where they honor warriors of the past who participated in that. You know, they honored the scalps that they took. They. They carried them. They wore them on their belt. So that song is more or less just me, like, coming full circle back around and saying, this is my mentality right now. Like, everything that's going on, I'm scalp taking. I'm gonna. I'm gonna be. I'm a warrior up, you know, And I want our people to be that and to feel that with the music. So, yeah, scalp Takers, it's out everywhere. Dropping a video soon. And then Tone over here, you know, he just. He just dropped a song and video with Shorty. Shorty. And, you know, these. These are making their rounds. And. Yeah, scalp taking, baby. Don't get scalped.

[DJ Envy]

You might have to name some names, end up on Fox News or something.

[Mark Delicato]

He want me to have this smoke.

[DJ Envy]

What are some misconceptions about Native identity or history that y' all would like to correct?

[Antone X]

What's something that.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah, what's something, you guys that you.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

Think we can't say that's true.

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[Antone X]

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[Charlemagne Tha God]

Can.

[DJ Envy]

That's why it's a misconception.

[Mark Delicato]

So you can. Yeah. What are some, what are some stereotypes? Misconceptions?

[Antone X]

Here's an example. And like how wild you could just ask us. Cuz this one dude came up, he was like, hey bro, I heard if you still on the res, they cut your hand off.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

I've always heard that.

[Antone X]

Hell no.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

You know what's crazy? I went to a res before for. I used to work in community relations for Barclays and we went into a reservation and the. Yeah, I've heard that. Well, like people really think that. That's the thing.

[Antone X]

Where was that?

[Charlemagne Tha God]

We were, I don't know, somewhere in like Mexico's. New Mexico, New Mexico City or something like this. At Mexico's.

[Mark Delicato]

Oh, okay.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

Somewhere over there. I don't really remember. It was like a long time ago. But we went, we stayed for like a week and that was one of the things that we were kind of warned about.

[Antone X]

So I'll be hearing stuff.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

Yeah, well, we weren't. I wasn't going to steal.

[Antone X]

Well, look, they say a lot, man. And that's. They say wow, things like that. And he asked me, I was like, bro, if you steal, then they'll call the cops, and then you'll get in trouble. But that's the same thing as the city. But I guess it's just things like that, you know, people thinking we're just like some always drunk.

[DJ Envy]

You hear that one?

[Mark Delicato]

Oh, yeah, we hear that one.

[Antone X]

I want to say something right now. My whole entire life as a native person, 100%, I've never had one taste of alcohol my entire life.

[DJ Envy]

Wow.

[Antone X]

I've never. I don't even smoke. Never smoked in my entire life. That's just what I chose to walk. And in our way, we call that the red road. And that's the red road of walking free from all of that. Because that blurs the connection, right? It gets you blurry and hazy. And, you know, I just chose this way of life, and that's. As a young person, I chose to be a singer, and a singer as a high regard in our community. These songs are powerful. These songs are everything for our ceremonies. So, yeah, you know, my.

[DJ Envy]

My.

[Antone X]

My dad, my mom, they were like, you know, if you walk this way, you walk the red road. So I decided to walk the red road as a young man, and here I am as a grown man and still walking that way.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah. And I'm a person that's, you know, added to that stereotype, I was an addiction. I was, you know, heavily influenced by alcohol and walking and being sober. Now. Now I'm walking the red road and. Hey, you know what I mean? And it's. It's a. It's a rough. It's a rough life. I mean, you grow up with it all around you in a dysfunctional way. I mean, you guys see it in the inner cities as well, you know, stuck in a cycle. So being able to get out of that and being able to push that agenda, like, push that. The red road is important for us, and it's important for our kids to hear that, too.

[DJ Envy]

What about, you know, some of the forms of compensation and restitution y' all have received for where that.

[Mark Delicato]

Where's that at?

[Antone X]

Hey, that's me.

[Mark Delicato]

Where is that at?

[DJ Envy]

Oh, you see, that's one of the stereotypes.

[Antone X]

Yeah, I guess we call it. So. So, yeah, our tribes, we don't get.

[Mark Delicato]

Per cap, so compensation and all that stuff. You know, a lot of tribes out there that own casinos that are next to huge cities and. Or freeways, interstates, that do. They do reserve a per capita from their earnings to each member if they're a small nation. Most nations, though, we're out in the middle of nowhere. And we don't have that luxury of having casinos near big city centers or anything like that. But there's no other forms of constant, like restitutions that we get from the government. We've had a lot of things stolen from treaty rights that we sign with treaties that with the government that were taken during the time of starvation when our people were being starved and we were forced to give up land. So there's a lot of things happening right now where we're getting land back through buying land and taking land, you know what I'm saying? So that's a huge myth is that we, we get free money from the government. We pay taxes, you know what I'm saying? We have to pay taxes. Everyone has. Everyone has to pay taxes. You know, I'm saying so. And it's just so happens that our ancestors paid the worst tax. You know, they were lied to and they were starved and they were killed.

[Antone X]

And I guess it's those, those you're bringing up like the main ones. I guess I should have just brought those up, you know, alcoholism, smoking, don't pay taxes, get free money. Yeah, those are all like the stereotypes that we've grown up hearing about. And I guess the one I brought up is like a deeper one. Getting hands chopped off or stealing like stuff like that. But the main ones are those.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

Yeah, I think too just the way that you live on a reservation is just like a. People don't think that it's like you live like we do everyday people, like people have like this way that you mentioned the TPS earlier. I don't think that. And I don't. I've never heard someone say that in 2025. But I do know that people look at like people living on reservations and they think that you guys don't. You just don't have things like it's like a third world country.

[Mark Delicato]

No, it's. It's definitely like that. We definitely have high. The highest rates of unemployment, we have the highest rates of suicide in our young people per capita in a lot of places. And that's just due to the fact of all the economic hardship that we endured from, from, from times before, like the Howard Wheeler act, these acts from the early 1900s. That happened. And it's true, you know, but now nowadays, like you have a lot of native businesses that are prospering.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Mark Delicato]

And we're trying to. When we keep native money in the native community. And we. And Tone mentioned earlier about how the. We have our own little entertainment like sphere happening. Native entertainment. There's the fashion shows, there's the filmmaking, there's the music industry, there's. And we're, we're all like. It's popping and getting that to be able to be recognized in the mainstream as a goal. It's a huge goal. Like, they just had Fashion Week here in New York City and they had a whole indigenous Fashion Week on the side of that too. So.

[Antone X]

And with that too, the. Yeah, the way they live, there's. I mean, there's business owners, but then there's also people who are still without electricity, very struggling.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

We went, we went to help bring over WI fi to one of the residents because the kids hadn't experienced good WI Fi. So the company was like helping to get that to the resident. And I thought it was, it was so crazy to me because I'm like, how, like, what have the schools and stuff been doing?

[Antone X]

Yeah, and it's. There's, there's. I mean, on the res, there's like food. It's food deserts too. So you got like 100 mile radius and there's just one grocery store, one gas station, and they jack the prices up. So like, I mentioned it in one of my songs about kids walking 15 miles to get to school just to eat, you know, but what if it's winter time, snowed in and what, you. You don't have a ride? There's no car. The closest food is 20 miles away. And it's either don't eat or get to that store.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah.

[Antone X]

And then pay the over. You know, they jack the prices up. So it's. Yeah, it's tough. We're clawing our way out. Our people are clawing our way out to just make it like better living conditions and a better life for our people. So it's people like all of us. I feel like everyone's always thinking about the people not themselves. Native people are always thinking about their people.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah, we always have.

[Antone X]

We have to. You know what I mean?

[DJ Envy]

So I think we all have to adopt that mentality right now.

[Mark Delicato]

There you go.

[DJ Envy]

Cause, man, you know, to me it's not even about what you are right now. It's about what. It's about what the evil is on. Exactly what I'm saying.

[Mark Delicato]

Exactly.

[DJ Envy]

It's really a battle of good versus evil right now. So you just gotta find that energy that you gravitate towards. Find like minded people and black, brown, indigenous. Everybody just gotta click up, you know, Even the good white folk. Everybody just gotta click up.

[Mark Delicato]

Have to, man.

[Antone X]

Well, you know what's crazy is that I was talking to some homies out in LA and I was telling them, like, you know what the secret sauce is that I think for artists is Native people. Like, there's. I ain't gonna say who, but there's a lot of artists out there that I would say, like, fell off if they went anywhere else. People, oh, they fell off and no one gets tickets, but they're getting their full raise, selling out, like, huge, you know, like venues, and it's all natives. So they start hitting the native circuit. So when we say, you gotta write.

[DJ Envy]

It down, you gotta tell me.

[Antone X]

We say like, Lil, like, oh, we have a little circuit, but it's not really little. Like, I've been touring and selling out venues. And it's like. I mean, for the level that I'm at is great. You know, it's six hundred to a thousand tickets sold per night. And when people see that. So I went up to LA and they're like. I'm like, yeah, this is our last show. And they're like, boom, let's work. You know what I mean? And by having all of my people behind me, I think the reason my people. I know the reason my people stand with me is because I stand for and with my people. And that's like what this movement is. That's what Anton X is. That's what Natane means, is. And a true, you know, Native artist, I feel like, is that standing with the people. And the people stand with them and for the people. That's why the crowds pop out. And if anybody stands with Native people tour just acknowledgement. Hey, my natives, I see y', all, you know, I'm gonna come do a show on the Res somewhere no one goes, because all these misconceptions, you know, Right? No one goes there. So let me go out there and show some love. Then Native people are, oh, real one. And I'm gonna rock with them until forever.

[DJ Envy]

I gotta. You know, I've always had a theory. I feel like, you know, y' all were not the only people indigenous to the land. I feel like black people were indigenous to the land too. Especially I'm from South Carolina. So you can look at, you know, some pictures of indigenous people and then look at pictures of black people and they look exactly the same.

[Mark Delicato]

There's always been. We have see within. What the mainstream society doesn't understand is that we still have oral traditions and stories that being passed down. And inside those oral traditions and stories that are passed down, we had trade routes from. With everybody. So people from the Pacific Islands would trade on the coast of California all the way down to Peru, and Africa would come and trade all the way from South America, Atlantic, all the way up into New, like Newfoundland. So we have, like, every nation has stories of these trade routes that are happening, you know, and that's older than what's written down, what's documented by the European American. And that's when I start calling them now is European Americans. Because, you know, with everything that's happening, you know, I'm saying, I always tell them, like, man, you weren't born here either. You're. Your generation only goes back a couple. Couple generations. We go back thousands of years. But no, you're right. And re. Establishing those connections is definitely what we have to do now. And. And understanding. Like you said, we all have to come together based off of the love for each other. Right now, especially right now, you see what's happening in the streets. You see the people getting taken. It's like 1940s, Germany, 1930s Germany. And it's. It's hard, but the unity that has to come together right now, man. And the misconceptions have to stop.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Mark Delicato]

The fear has to stop. And the love has to grow. Has to. If we're gonna survive, we're gonna live. Take it from people that have been in survival mode.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Mark Delicato]

You know what I mean? And that are still in survival mode.

[DJ Envy]

We're.

[Mark Delicato]

We're here, we've been here, and we can all move forward together.

[DJ Envy]

You ever been to South Carolina?

[Mark Delicato]

Nah, man.

[DJ Envy]

There's a lot of tribes in South Carolina.

[Antone X]

Just in North Carolina with the Cherokee tribe in North Carolina. North Carolina.

[DJ Envy]

Catawba, I think it is. Catawba Nation.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They recognize that's where you're from in South Carolina, huh? Yeah, there's a lot of history there.

[DJ Envy]

With PD Indians, Santi Indians, I guess. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot of tribes in South Carolina.

[Mark Delicato]

A lot of those tribes on the east, on the eastern slope, they got forcefully removed to Oklahoma.

[Antone X]

Y' all gotta come connect with some. Some tribes in this. Come to a power or come to something.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah, you guys gotta come out. You guys gotta come out.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

I was so young, though. I'm just sitting here remembering my time there. I was so young, but. Yeah, probably a different experience now.

[Antone X]

Yeah. And there's. I mean, there's this.

[DJ Envy]

But I'm gonna be honest with you, though. I'm gonna want to drink.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah, I'm drinking what I do drink some water.

[Antone X]

Lemonade. There's the powwow. Lemonades are the best ones you ever have. You could drink a lemonade.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah. Is it like.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

No, I need to infuse. Y' all don't have, like.

[Mark Delicato]

Oh, there's some confusion happening. There's some infusion happening. It's happening out here.

[Antone X]

You know, Fun fact, though, Omaha, the Omaha people, that's the original powwow. So every powwow that you ever heard of, the one that you went to, all traces back to Macy, Nebraska.

[DJ Envy]

The Omaha would be like a trail ride.

[Antone X]

Well, so a powwow is a celebration. Okay. Right.

[Mark Delicato]

It's a social. It's a social.

[DJ Envy]

I mean, I know what it is, but I feel like. You ever heard of a trail ride in the South. South Carolina do, like, trail rides. It feel like.

[Mark Delicato]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

It would be kind of like that without the. Well, no, we do the bonfires and all that, too, though.

[Antone X]

No, no. So the powwow, it is a celebration. There's sacred things within it, though. You know, like, people earn all those feathers and, you know, there's healing dances, but it's a celebration. So again, like, to be in that circle would. You would have to be clear of all of the, you know, the alcohol and stuff like that. So it is a celebration, but it's like a traditional celebration. And then from there, though, it goes into each tribe. Then we have our own ceremonies, and those are way deeper. It's similar to, like, powwow food. Like, you've heard of Indian tacos and fry bread? Yeah. No, so Indian tacos, fry bread. Damn. Yeah, well, that's. That's what, you know, a lot of people bring up, you know, that's the food. But it's not our traditional food. It's survival food. So back when, you know, they put us on reservations, they gave rations of the most unhealthy. You know, they're thinking 100 years from now every time, you know, and they're like, let's give them this unhealthy. And they'll get, you know, 100 years from now, there'll be diabetes and all that, but it was survival food.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah, it's the worst of the worst that they gave out.

[Antone X]

But our traditional foods, way better, you know, healthy.

[Mark Delicato]

And yeah, a lot of people are. Are going back to traditional cooking and eating our. Our foods from that certain area. So.

[DJ Envy]

But put one together. Put together a big pow.

[Mark Delicato]

Wow.

[Antone X]

Let's go. Hey, hey.

[Mark Delicato]

We'll invite you guys.

[Antone X]

We'll leave from right here. We'll go to the airport. We'll go Black Hills.

[Mark Delicato]

Oh, yeah, the Black Hills.

[Antone X]

No, the biggest power I would say right now going on is Black Hills Powwow in Rapid City, South Dakota, in.

[Mark Delicato]

The heart of Lakota country, which is in South Dakota.

[DJ Envy]

Is that like, Burning Man?

[Antone X]

No.

[DJ Envy]

Nah.

[Mark Delicato]

Burning Man. I don't even know.

[Antone X]

Yeah, I came down to Burning Man.

[DJ Envy]

What? How the hell. How wild are you, Antoine?

[Antone X]

No, no, no, no. By the camp that I was at, Right. Because they brought me in after Standing Rock. Me and Natani was at Standing Rock, Right. And you don't you know what that is? Yeah, it was fighting against the Dakota Access Pipeline. But anyway, this camp brought us out to amplify our voices to a thing called Burning Man. I didn't know what it was at the time. I was like, yeah, I'll perform. Get there. I'm like, where's the stage at? They're like, wherever you want, brother. And I was like, all right. And they had, like, these fake teepees up. So I. I'm kicking it. We're riding bikes around, like, day three. They start using our drums and our songs. Like, these are ceremonial songs, beating these drums. They're all doing crazy shit. And so I called them out.

[Mark Delicato]

Oh.

[Antone X]

And I was. You know, I was with some of my homies and called them out, and they're like, no, brother, this is all. We're creating a new tribe of one pit. And I'm like, no.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

They were lit.

[DJ Envy]

That was a different level of colonization. Conscious colonization is crazy.

[Antone X]

Yeah. They removed me from the camp. And I remember I ended up getting to, like, Reno. And I was sitting there like, damn, I'm stuck in Reno. And I forget how I got home. But, yeah, that's. That was my experience. But Burning man was pretty cool.

[Mark Delicato]

Then. The native community called him out for going there.

[Antone X]

You were only selling out. I wasn't. I fight for my people, my ways. But, yeah, no, the powwow, it's just. It's huge, man. It fills up the entire. The monument, which is like the. The big.

[Mark Delicato]

The big arena.

[Antone X]

Arena of the city.

[Mark Delicato]

And it's a lot. It's a place that. It's a good starting point for. Like, if you're trying to connect with indigenous community, go check out a powwow and be respectful, you know? But you're always welcome there. They're not going to, like, chase you away. You might hear crazy things from non natives about, like, don't go to a Pow Wow. They do this and this. Nah, man. It's always love. So if you're looking to connect. Yeah, go to a Pow Wow. Just be Respectful. Understand that's a good entryway into the community.

[Antone X]

I'm checking in, broing up.

[DJ Envy]

I ain't just pulling up.

[Stephanie]

Which.

[Antone X]

Which y'. All. I, first of all, shout out to Queen Yanajaha.

[DJ Envy]

Yes, absolutely.

[Antone X]

And shout out to Keisha Queen, man. They're the reason that we're here. And Queen has been fighting for us to get into these spaces for so long, and she's, like, the realest for that.

[Mark Delicato]

And she's been in these spaces.

[Antone X]

And if you ever want to check out a powwow, connect with Queen.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah.

[Antone X]

And then Queen's with us. We're all together. As you know, that's the homie. And, yeah, you'll get a good welcome to the powwow. You know, anytime any, like, you know, major people come to powwows, they honor them. You know what I mean? And it's because it's an honor to have people come in and want to see who we are. But, yeah, the Black Hills Powell is the biggest one right now and took over Gathering of Nations as being the top spot. And Gathering nations was ran by a non native, which was a big controversy, which is why we didn't attend. And, you know, it's a good time right now, because now that one's ending because all the people stood together and said, this ain't it. Let's stand behind Native ran powwows. And, like, if anyone's gonna create some type of movement from our ways, it should be Native people benefiting. So that's what we're doing, you know, Shout out to Black Hills Powwow for taking that top spot.

[DJ Envy]

Where do they follow y' all at, man?

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah, Natani means, you know, just my name. N, a t, a a n I I means on everything. YouTube, Instagram, everything, man. So I appreciate being on here, and I appreciate you first. Hey, first, you brought it up. And my mom's gonna kill me if I don't introduce myself in my language, so can I introduce myself in my language real quick? My. I come from Chinley, Arizona, born and raised. I'm enrolled in the Oglala Lakota tribe nation in South Dakota. And I'm also Umaha, and I hung the 1 Dakota from the Lake Andes. So thank you. Thank you guys for being here. Yeah. Hey, shout out to you guys, man, because it's my third time on here.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Mark Delicato]

My third time on here with y'.

[Antone X]

All.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah. Third time.

[Antone X]

That's crazy.

[DJ Envy]

Queen.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah, Queen. Shout out Queen, man. Queen. And I just appreciate. Charlemagne. I appreciate you for. For always just being down man, and having us on and creating the space, it means a lot to not only us, but our people and for our kids and our elders, man. And it's a beautiful thing to come together, to be recognized here in the heart of. In the heart of where hip hop started and looking forward to doing more and connecting more. Charlemagne for real?

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Follow you.

[Antone X]

Antone X. A N T O I N E X Music on all platforms. Yeah. Just, you know, run the music up, check out the movement. The movement is for the people. So if you support. I just want to say this. There's artists that are paintings. This is just kind of how I picture it. A lot of artists are paintings. They paint a picture, and then there's nothing behind them. And I want everyone to understand this, that Antone X Natani means are like doorways. So if you tap into the artist, that door opens, and we open that door for all native artists, brands, businesses, all of that, and you'll tap into everything. You'll see more music, more. You know what I mean? And that's. I feel like that's good. So any artists out there, like you said, start moving for the people and with the people and be a doorway. Don't just be a painting your doorway to your people. You know what I mean? And that's how you open that community. That's a good way to put it. I want to share. This is Indigenous Peoples Day.

[Mark Delicato]

That's right, Indigenous Peoples Day.

[Antone X]

There's nothing else. This is Indigenous Peoples Day. And again, we talked about the music, you know, and for us, music is medicine because it's in our ceremonies. Boom. So if this is coming to the closing point, I'll share a prayer song with you guys to leave it with good energy.

[DJ Envy]

Before you do that, recommend this song because I do want to play some indigenous hip hop for the people. So if you had to play a record, what record would you want to play right now? Indigenous People Day on the radio.

[Antone X]

I'm serious. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah. Well, for me, obviously, my new. I just dropped a song with Shorty Shorty, which what I like in the comments. Everyone's like, oh, yeah, yeah, our community's coming. I'm getting a lot of, like, the black community, you know, coming in, like, oh, this is hard. I put Shorty. Shorty in front of a teepee, you know, and he's rapping. So used to this by Antone X featuring Shorty Shorty. Yeah, okay.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah.

[Antone X]

And let's take that as, like, a moment for our communities to come together and start that. You know what I mean?

[Mark Delicato]

And then if you want another thing, Scalp Takers by Natani Means.

[Antone X]

Okay, Scouts.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Eddie, go grab them. All right. Now let's do a prayer.

[Antone X]

So this one, the song, you know the. I made it for my family, we're going through hardships look. Yeah, this is good. This is like blend in right now.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

Okay. Yeah. Because with us, my grandma by her had to pray. He better touch it.

[Antone X]

Yeah, I like this.

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely.

[Antone X]

Yeah.

[Mark Delicato]

Because we just.

[Antone X]

We just be standing.

[Mark Delicato]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Antone X]

But so this song, it's. I made it for my family to uplift. You know when you're sad and you play sad songs?

[Charlemagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Antone X]

I remember this elder that I was listening to, he said my song when I leave, and it was his song for he was going to move on and go home. And he said, make it happy. I want the people to be happy when they think of me. So we went through hardships and I made this song for the family to uplift them. So anyone listening, take the song. Think good things, think of your families and just send good energy their way and love their way and then take it in for yourselves. But yeah, I'll stay that. You know, my pops told me said if we don't have the right words, then we have the right song, especially as native people. So right now, the best prayer in the world, man, is through this song. Let's do it.

[Mark Delicato]

Let's go. Hey.

[DJ Envy]

All right. That was Antoine X. And the tiny means. Thank you all for coming, man. Appreciate you.

[Mark Delicato]

It's the Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

Every day I wake up.

[Mark Delicato]

Wake your ass up.

[DJ Envy]

The Breakfast Club.

[Mark Delicato]

Finish or y' all done?

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[Stephanie]

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[Stephanie]

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[Melissa Fumero]

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[Melissa Fumero]

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[Stephanie]

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[Antone X]

What's up everybody? It's snacks from the Trap Nerds and all October long, we're bringing you the.

[DJ Envy]

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[Antone X]

We kicking off this month with some.

[DJ Envy]

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[Antone X]

Then we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figuring out why black people always die first.

[DJ Envy]

And it's the Return of Tony's Horror.

[Mark Delicato]

Show Side Quest, written and narrated by yours truly.

[DJ Envy]

We'll also be doing a full episode reading with commentary and we'll cap it.

[Antone X]

Off with a horror movie battle royale. Open your free iHeartRadio app and search Trap Nerds Podcast and listen now.

[Charlemagne Tha God]

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