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I think that there's a lot of logistics that go with having two groups. Two groups with such great success in order to get that together, scheduling has to be right also. The. You know what I mean? The energy has to be right. The climate has to be right. And I just believe that this is the time. God put this time as the time to show the world what this. This whole vibe is all about. New Edition, Boyz II Men, Toni Braxton. It's a real thing. And this is the moment God placed it right here. Now, how does Boyz II Men feel? I gotta ask, because you guys, they were your idols, right? Yeah, from the start. And still are. Still. Are you seeing them? You know, when y' all had a show in Philly, y' all coming to the bus and y' all singing, and that's how we be here without new addition. Let's be clear on that. Yes. Well, you know, that's not actually how it went. You know what I'm saying? Nah, nah, nah. I don't mean to. I don't mean to, but, you know, but, you know, like, in order for story to actually be told in a movie, sometimes you have to make it all go together in sequence. Well, tell us the truth for people that didn't see the story. So there's truth to that. But it was Michael Bivens, Ricky and Ron, they were actually coming off stage at the Powerhouse, and they were in Philly. In Philly. And they were introducing that you guys were gonna be bbd. And we had just. By the time they came off stage, we had just snuck backstage. We passed passes back and forth. We got backst. And soon as we got there, they were coming off stage. And I guess Nate asked Ricky, can we sing for him? You know what I'm saying? And Ricky was like, y' all got a tape? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? He said, y' all got a tape? And we was like, no, we ain't got no tape. And he was like, ah, well, y' all need a tape. You know what I'M saying, he started writing down the address, but then Nate was like, hey, yo, let me go to Bivouac. So he's like, biv, can you know? Can, you know, can we sing for you? He was like, can y' all do it right now? And boom, we bust into can youn Stand the Rain? A cappella. So it was backstage. It wasn't at a tour bus, but you know what I mean, the story, nonetheless, it definitely resonated. Wow. The tour bus was more exciting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right. It was a lot more sexy. The two of us were sexy. Yeah. I do want to ask, you know, every artist manager or artist executive relationship has its highs and lows. When you look, what were some of the biggest misunderstandings or lessons y' all learned from, you know, each other, I guess you could say, like, with any relationship, I mean, in a group. Because even when Bib signed his years ago, it was almost like him being the fifth member at the time. And I think it was more like a dynamic type thing. You know, we learned a lot about each other's personalities as well as just understanding, you know, how the business went. So, you know, you had your share of highs and lows and ups and downs, but at the end of the day, it's all about the. It's better is the end of a thing than the beginning of a thing. Absolutely. So it's one of those things where it's like, here we are. Look at this. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people didn't think that this situation would even happen, but as you mentioned. Yeah, Boys II Men owe a lot to New Edition. But this is what succession looks like. You understand what I'm saying? So it's one of those things where it's like, these guys did what they did, and they gave us the ball, and we ran with it. So. So that's. Now we can roll with it together. So now we can roll with it together. Now, how often do y' all rehearse? Right? Because it's a lot of different characters with a lot of different families with a lot of different moving pieces. But people love the old dances. They love to see NSync. They love to see somebody going left, somebody going right. The outfit. So how is rehearsal for y'? All? That's going. That's. That's the beautiful thing about New Edition in itself, like, they carry the. The torch of what R and B groups should look like. I agree. So they are the standard. The standard. And when it comes to this tour that we're going to show that, like, it's all going to be implemented in the whole production along with Tony. So it's, like, rehearsals. We haven't started yet because this is our. This is our first promo run. So. But once we do, we going to lock in, and it's going to be dope. It was going to be smartest, though. He came in with the crutches because he knew what was going to happen with the crutches. This is just prep. This is prep right here. I'm prepping for the game. You know what I'm saying? That might be an excuse. That's not prep right there, okay? It's an excuse. Right now. I get through TSA quicker than y'. All. You know what I'm saying? And how long is the show? Cause y' all all have so many kids. Oh, my God. Individually, group. How long is the show as individuals? You know, we probably give them, you know, 90 minutes, maybe even two hours. But when you put all of this excellence together, you know, in one night on one stage, that's gotta be, you know, Prince, like, you know, it's almost three hours. It's got to be Bruce Springsteen, right? You know, three hours and some change. And I'm excited about it because how do you put that in 90 minutes? You can't. You can't. When you look at the success and you can't. The legacy that we all have and all the joints and even the individuals that are, you know, within this conglomerate right here, I'm just excited about it. You know, we didn't start rehearsal, but Mr. Brooke Payne gave us a date for probably December 1st. And like Sean said, when we lock in, it's gonna be crazy. Who chooses the track list? Like, who? Do y' all just all sit together? Yeah, we gonna put it all together. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We all gonna sit down, and we're gonna figure out how this whole thing works. Because the truth is, again, we are connected. We are from different cities, but the story is the same. So it's gonna be deeper than just doing songs. This is telling a story. Yeah, this is. This is more so. And unlike any show that you've ever seen, this isn't just about, you know, lights and cameras and all this other stuff. We are literally brethren, like, from beginning to end. So we have to tell that story and amalgamate that story to make people understand why this is important. This is deeper than just a genre. This is deeper than just, oh, it's just a bunch of black folks on Stage like, this is history. Between us, New Edition and Toni Braxton is 150 million records. My God. So the thing is that has to be celebrated. And this is deeper. This is why we urge everybody to come because this is history. This is something you will never see anywhere else in decades. So it's bigger than us. Can we expound on the brotherhood between all of y'? All? Man, I love seeing all of y' all together after all these years. What have y' all learned about forgiveness and just staying together as brothers between New Edition and Boy? Well, I could say. Go ahead, go ahead, you said, you said. I've said it before in the few interviews, talking about the fact that when you're talking about true brotherhood, it's a real, true brotherhood and we're like real siblings. And I've said that. That's why, you see, we go through our ups and downs, our battles. We done had some ups and downs and all of the. The above. But at this stage of our lives, when we come together, man, it's like, it's just nothing but laughter. It's like at this point in our lives, we done been through a lot, and I'm sure there's more to deal with as far as challenges go, but we've come full circles, just as grown men, just as human beings, and we have fun when we come together. I was gonna say, did y' all need to talk or y' all just like, look, we broke. Let's just do this. Well, this. This is the deal again. We. This is the first time that we've even come together in this circumstance, you know what I mean? Other times it's been, you know, we've been on shows with bbd, we done a few shows with Johnny and Bobby, and, you know, and I think we did one gig that we all were together, but I feel like in order for the energy to actually get to the place where it's supposed to be something like that, a break bread moment has to happen. You know, some things, you know, some things that we might have on our hearts may need to come out, you know what I'm saying? I mean, that's what brotherhood is about, you know, And I'm a big fan of atonement, guys, you know what I'm saying? I'm a big fan of letting it go, especially at the age that we're all at, you know, I'm trying. I'm trying. Yeah, man, I'm trying. I'm trying to. I'm in coast mode, you know what I'm saying? I'm really trying to be in coast mode. This is the time. Let's go out, let's make some money, and let's entertain these people and be on coast mode. That's all. What was that initial conversation like? What was that initial conversation? What he was saying was, it's one of those things where because we're on the road and because we. We have the time, it's going to be one of those organic things. Yeah. We don't want to make this a melodrama. And it ain't no negativity, ain't no mess like. Like, you know what I'm saying? None of that shit, you know? Excuse me. None of that stuff like, it's. It's really just about understanding how important this meant or this was to not only to the fans, but to us. So this is what we're doing. We're celebrating. We're going to have a good time. We're going to go on the road, and we're going to sing and. And dance our asses off. Absolutely. And we're gonna give people the greatest show they've ever seen in their life and have fun doing it. That's right. That's right. Have fun doing it. That's right. Michael. Anybody ever tell you that you look like Yo Gotti? We. We took a picture together at. What was that, babe, the BET Awards. So there's a picture of him and I standing side by side. It was just cool to meet him, too. I think it was right at the beginning of him coming through the door. He was hustling. He was standing outside on the red carpet with not. No bodyguards and all that. So he looked like he was. He had his crew there, but he was a little more loose. And it was. It was good. We just looked at each other like, okay. And we just smiled, you know, we was like, oh, so y' all look like y' all could be brothers. Everybody said, I think what's. One of the kids looked at the TV and was like that, and it couldn't figure something out. I know one of my kids, like, he looked like that. I don't know if it was Shiloh style. It was one of them. They was a little. You know, it was little. Yeah. So it was all good. And shout out to him, man. Hell of a CEO. Now. What do you think there's missing in the R B game right now? Why don't you think there's more R B groups? They're missing us. Yeah, yeah. No, you know, I just think the times have changed. And that's the thing that we understand about time. And the world is constantly going and we've seen nothing stays the same. And part of the thing is that we have to learn and have the attitude and take that mindset that, you know, you have to learn how to work, continue to do what we do and not compromise who we are, but also understand where the world is and figure out how we can fit in it, because the world ain't stopping for us. I think we live in a YouTube society and everybody's selfish. Nobody wants to share with their friends or their brothers or their cousins. Nobody wants to make a group. Everybody wants their own shit. Absolutely. With their own money. Well, no, go ahead. No, I'm not going before you. I'll go right out. That means Mike got a R B group in the cut somewhere. No, I was going to make a point, but I. If you want to jump in, jump. No, make a point and I'll go. I was gonna say, bro, honestly, I think it start at the record label. I think people that are hired now, some of them don't have an eye for talent. They have an eye for their computer. Word. Sometimes you have to go in the street like we met in the street, you know, the singing to be close. And I think they look at it as the hits of the computer makes them a hit group, but it's so much more to it. And back in the day, like for myself as a CEO, I stayed at 2 in the morning and kept looking at the. The pitches, listening to the music, the A and R and the people at the office now they on the red carpet before the artists get there. So the responsibility and the care to detail is missing. And if someone would just slow down and say, yo, how many times we gotta look at the Grammys? And not one R B group is on the show, right? And the first time we see in an R B group in the last five years, well, you know, we saw what Bruno and them did, but that was a different thing. I'm talking about someone from the hood, like a Jodecique New addition. Boys to Men. Jagged Edge is when Juan's Sons was on there and Jesse gave them the shot. That's the first time we've seen black kids on the Grammys ever in a long time. And that's where it starts. It starts younger. It starts at the office or it's gonna have to come from us. I don't think people looking for talent no more. I think they're looking for people that just doing numbers. Absolutely, absolutely. You don't even have to have a record deal. You get the numbers and then you get a record deal. You know what I'm saying? And really just understand that there is a blueprint. You understand? A blueprint that we follow to get to where we are. You know what I mean? There's the groups of old, of our time that actually helped shape the entertainment value of all of us, you know what I'm saying? So all these artists have to do is keep looking at the blueprints, because the blueprints still exist. That longevity just means that you did something very, very right, you understand? And understanding behind it is they're not looking for longevity, looking for the quick fix. Social media is the. Is the fastest way to become famous, but also the quickest way to lose everything. You know what I say, Juan? I say, like, everybody's obsessed with going viral and not understanding a component to the word viral is virus. Exactly. Like, why would you want to be a virus? Like, there's two things that happens to viruses. One, they get killed. Yeah. Or it kills everything. Yeah. Like, why would you want to. Why would you want to base your career off of going viral? Like, there's. There's no future in that. Right. And that's what. That's what the industry has taught us. Sean. Honestly, I. I would have went second on that question, but I. I think we should ask Ralph what did he think is missing, because. No, but let me finish. No, but let me. Let me finish. I'm gonna tell you why. The response, possibility of being up front is either something that's in you, you're born with. And I feel like that question you gotta ask yourself. When he sits and watch a group of YouTube, he's looking to see who reminds him of himself. Who's got that route treasure. So, Rizzo, take the mic and tell us, what do you think? There it is. What was the question? What's missing in R B? What's missing about the groups in R and B? Like, what's missing? I don't know. There's a lot missing. The game has all changed. It's not even the same place that we were in when we started. So everything has changed in R and B, man. Can you hear me? Yeah, I'm sorry. It seems like everything has changed, man. Nothing's how it used to be. You know, when we're out here trying to think about something in particular that can bring it back like it used to be. And I don't know, I don't have no answers with all that I Just feel like it's evolved. But, you know, it's. It's interesting even, you know, for Biv to say Ralph was the lead, because you are the lead technically. But then Bobby went off and was a great leading man, and Johnny was a great leading man, and BBD had success. Like all of y' all could have been a leading, you know, man. Now he's talking about how I started it all off with Candy Girl. Okay, okay. Michael Jackson analogy. Candy. New Edition Candy Girl. Jackson's. That vibe is what Mike's speaking on. Exactly. And during that time period, it wasn't a whole lot of examples for us. We just had what was in front of us or behind us and trying to take what we had learned and make something new out of that. Exactly. Not adding what was going on in the current times. You know what it is? Streets popping. Hold on one second. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. And I just think that back when we first started, what motivated us, what influenced us, the artists, you know, the Temptations, Blue Magic, the Jacksons, is that. That's not the motivation today. Before we even, like, knew any about how to even get a record deal, because that was actually the furthest thing from my mind. There was no way that you do that to approach that. So our main motivation was to how do we put on a good show? And we rehearsed probably for a couple of years before we even stepped on the stage. And we were more excited about making the crowd scream, you know, than actually making a new record. And so now, today, like Sean said, it's the motivation is how do I become famous? Not really about how do I put on a good show, but it has to feel good. Like, I send Biv videos of my daughter, 7 years old, singing New Edition Records, which is crazy, because the music is a feeling. And I feel like sometimes you don't get that with these artists. Like, music doesn't last the time that it does. I think that's a big piece of what's missing when I think of it as love. Like, when we came up, it was a lot of love. A lot of love. A lot of love. And it seems like love is not a part of the majority the topics now. It's not. It's not about. It's not even in the music. It's not in the approach toward when you. The passion that we had. We had love for this. We wanted to do what we saw that Jackson's doing. We really wanted to make it happen. Y' all wanted to be great. The industry. The industry doesn't groom legends anymore. They don't. They don't groom longevity anymore because it doesn't benefit them. Like, think about it. When you. When you have a company and you know that you can go viral with a kid for 15 minutes, get your ad revenue and then kick them to the side and then move on to the next thing that's a good money maker to anybody, I would think. You know what I'm saying? And the artists suffer. Yeah, but the bottom line is that the artists suffer, but the artists still have the hand. And what I mean by that is a lot of the things that we don't like about, you know, because I'll be on group chats with a lot of producers and managers and stuff like that, and they complain about the same thing. And my thing is change it. That's all. Just change it. Stop doing. Stop chasing the carrot. Because everybody wants to try to fit in the system knowing damn well it doesn't benefit them. So the music industry isn't an industry without the music. So change it. Change the paradigm. Change how music is consumed. Change who has the power to create that next thing and then hold it so these industry people don't try to put their grubby hands on trying to make it like a viral thing or, you know, or whatever. It's. It's. It's partially our fault because we fell into the whole system and all we gotta do is change it, Period. Now with Bobby, with so many hits, how many hits are you gonna do on stage? Oh, man. To the mic. And then. Cause this is the. That's the time where everybody could take a break. You have so many hit records, singular, right? Like, how. How are you gonna give us a break, Bob? Give me a break, all right? I don't. I don't know. It's up. It's up to Brooke and it's up to, you know, the guys, how much they want me on the stage. I don't. I don't plan to do no more than the next man. I know that. Trust me. All right. Ya. Okay. So for Boys to Men, how long did it take y' all to complete a whole song in the studio? Because you. When I say when the songs be going off, you'd be like, no, no, I got some more. That was back in the seven minute songs back then. I'm gonna even be specific with it. The Christmas album that I bump all year round to this day. Christmas interpretations. Wow. Thank you so much. My favorite. Appreciate my paint. I play all year round. How long did it take y' all to complete a single song. Well, I'll tell you this. It took us two weeks to do the Christmas album. What? That's all the time we had. Two weeks. That's all we had. And we recorded it in Europe. London. In London? Yes, with Brian McKnight. We sat there because we were on tour. We were on tour in London, right? Yeah. We had to meet a deadline. Yeah, we had to meet a deadline. And we sat in there. Of course, we wrote songs on the road. You know, like, Sean would call me to his room. He had joyous song. I came up with Wild Christmas. Nate had cold December nights. Mike did. No, Mike was cold December nights. Nate had. What was the record? Share Love. Share Love, say no. Yeah. So the idea, like, literally to. To do a new standard Christmas album was. It was grueling because we didn't have much time, but we wrote the hell out of that. Like, every aspect of it was straight from the. You know, the soul. You know what I mean? It was real. Real moments. So we. And we didn't want to make it all like, you know, jingle bells, jingle. You know what I mean? We wanted to make it. We wanted to make it so that. So that we. So that we could feel it. You know what I'm saying? So that you could actually play that joint straight. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, once you. You know, once the standards come and play, you know, you, of course, you can make choices, but when you have new Christmas records that people fall in love with, that's the only choice. That's why we decided not to make another one. Yeah, yeah. I want to, please. But, yeah, if y' all don't need to. Because that. That's one of my favorite albums. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Johnny Gill. Why did you kill Give love on Christmas day? Because that's my favorite Christmas song. Like, y' all were singing these Christmas songs, like women were leaving y' all or something like that. Cause they were. That's all I had to give. I didn't have money back then. All I had was love to offer. What is it like for y' all when y' all are, you know, on stages and doing the different things that y' all are doing? And you run into people like Jess who are still feeling. Filling the music so impactfully, but also different generations and things are being recreated TikTok and all these different places. It's the biggest compliment ever. Yeah. The fact that these songs out are older than some of our kids and. And people are still enjoying them and it. It just is proof positive of, I guess, the work that we put in and the. The. The type of music that'll last way after we're gone. Yeah. Again, what Ralph was saying is we do this for the love. We did it for the love. And we continue to do this for the love. I mean, it's nice that we get paid well for it. But ultimately, what you're gonna see and what people are gonna witness on stage is love. Yeah. Why. Why we do what we do? And I wanted to touch, too, about how the fact that the industry has made not reaching back to history uncool. It's like, when I see a lot of, like, young kids, like, talking. They talk about. That's that old shit. Yeah. But that's that good shit, you know? The reason why songs last as long as they do is because, just like Ricky even mentioned, like, their idols were the Jacksons and Blue Magic and the Stylistics. Like, you gotta reach back to history to understand how to move forward in the future. And the bottom line is that a lot of these kids don't understand what was. Which is why the sound of it. And let's be honest. Cause y' all radio folks, y' all know the sound quality is different. Y' all know it don't hit here. It's just a bunch of sonics. It's just a bunch of drums and. And sound effects. But it don't make you feel changed a lot. Right. When I do R B parties, right, y' all records ring like newer records, right? Even more to the point where it's like, I'm watching people do the dance. Can I stay in the rain? This is festival. So it's like with different groups. I would say with y', all, definitely Mary J. Blige, it hits different. Cause those songs keep going. And these are younger kids. These could be 21 year olds. These could be 19 year olds in college when we do these parties, but it still hits. That make me happy. What's the kids say about low frequency? Like, a lot of the songs, unfortunately not all of them, but a lot of the songs have very low frequency. It's the reason why these songs that we've done for the past, what, 40 years, fellas like some odds, you know, but that they still ring true. Because, again, it still has that thick analog feel to it. You know what I mean? I'm going tell you something right now. In 2012, my baby father played me Mr. Telephone Man. And that's how I got a baby right now, Mr. Telephone Man. Damn, if it was that easy, I was gonna ask. So you talked about. Sean, you talked about the. It not being cool to throw back to, like, you know, legends and iconic moments of music. How much of the business has made it where. That's why the kids are doing that. And has it made it hard for you guys trying to do business because of that feeling? Well, first off, let me say, just to answer the last part, our business is doing well. And this. This is the crazy part, too, that a lot of people don't get because we're not always on the front pages of certain websites and things of that nature that they don't think that we're doing well. As you look around, you see everybody's skin glowing. Come on, come on. Stop playing with us. Stop playing with us. 100K subscribers. On that note, your YouTube channel just hit 100K, so we're good. You call them and try to book them and see their numbers. And that's the thing is, like, the industry has got everybody so gassed to think that, yo, if you're not on this particular platform, then you're not doing well. And again, this is proof positive. Like, we're about to do arenas, 30 dates. I love it. We're fine. Let me say again. Again, bro. Let me say this, like, honestly. And it means a lot to us. When you're in New Orleans and you make that call 20 minutes before we hit the stage and say, bib, leave me some tickets. Yeah, right. He's always in the front singing and stepping with us, and that means a lot. And I thought that was part of what you asked. What do we feel when we see y'? All? Yeah, it feels good, bro. Cause you're not being, you know, the radio guy, the party guy. You're being someone that enjoys the music, and that's probably why your tickets is always there. Yeah, but this. But this group is one that I see every time y' all in town or every time I'm in a town, because it gives me that feeling. Yeah, I can see you once, I can see you twice. I know the dances. You know, if somebody gets hurt, I can jump in for y'. All. I just can't say. I can't say. I seen him, and I don't think he should. You just sing like this, and it just. But my question is, is there a song that you guys hate to do that? Like, I just don't want to do that song. Oh, boy. Y' all looking at each other. So y' all know it was one. What'd you say into the mic. I'm sorry. In the still of the night. I hate that song. You hate that song? I'll tell you why you hate it. So. So. So we in Salt Lake City, we're on Utah and. And the record label, I'm sure Biv has something to do with this shit. The record label called us and was like, yo, we need a record for the Jacksons miniseries. And we wanted to be in the still of the night. Now we could think of so many other records that we would have been excited to do. You know what I mean? But they wanted in the still of the Night, so. Okay. It's a very easy record, guys. You know what I mean? Of course, with our harmony structures, we kind of do it a little bit different. Cause it's not the regular triad. But the issue is, is nobody wanted to sing the lead off in Utah. It was a day off and we wanted to go snowmobiling. Exactly. Right. Exactly. So nobody wanted to sing the lead. So any. Right, right, right. No, no, no. Hell no. We didn't want to sing the lead because it's ended the other night. Right. So we flipped the coin. That's how we did every. That's how we. That's how we cleared every altercation, every situation. We would just flip the coin. And Nate won and we left. Oh, we left the studio. Oh, we left his ass right there. We left him and he parts. We did our parts and flipped the coin of who was going to sing lead. Nate 1. And we left. We love you. I don't even remember, bro. I was so pissed off that day, bro. I'm looking out the window at snow capped mountains and. Hilarious. Still traumatized. Is there song that new edition hates to do? Yeah, I want to know that. Yeah. What song y' all hate to do? I love doing if it is in love. But I don't like doing it if it isn't in love. I don't like. Cause it's like by the time you finish like this, you're like this. Hey, Bob, tell us what you don't like doing if it isn't love. I don't like to do the dance step. Dance steps are real difficult. I dig it. I dig it. I dig it. I dig it. For me, it would probably be. You're not my kind of girl. What? Yeah. And it leans in on the dance side. There's this one move that we do with our ladies. Yup. I already know. And later on, my ass hurts every. Are y' all reinventing dance moves then? Like Things y' all not going to touch this time around on the stage. We are definitely gonna. We do want to give people a different experience. Like Envy said, Some of the classic stuff that people have come to know us for. If it isn't love, maybe even you're not my kind of girl. Some of those things we're gon to keep in place. We might add some variances, but I think people want to see us do something new and fresh and different. And we're excited about the challenge of coming up with those things. For whether it's the Poison breakdown or every little step, you know, where people might understand in the aisles, like Mike said, they're anticipating the move, but we're going to throw a curveball this time around. And that's what it's all about. I think the reason why we've been able to. To stand the test of time for 40 plus years is because we've always challenged ourselves. You know, we always really felt like we had to go deep because the bar was raised for us, for. From some of the greats that we used to love to see. And when they poured into us, I mean Lakeside, we would stand on the side of the stage every night when we were on tour with them, just taking that energy in. I remember times where my uncle would have us sit Indian style on the floor, you know, in a little meditation pose. And he would play the Jackson's live album and he would tell us to close our eyes so we can ingest, you know, what that was. And it's paid dividend. So we definitely want to give people a different experience. This. But you can't do everything. As ball players get older, they even got to adjust their game. Thank you. Listen, you got 25. You gotta tell. You gotta tell Brooke that. Cause he ain't. He ain't not trying to hear that. Expect that they want the same look from 21. He'd be like, yeah, you tried. That's what you tell him. You try. Sometimes the running man just ran out. Running man all night. The walking man, sitting man, right? That's something that y' all appreciate about each other now that you probably took for granted back then. Mash you ralph, me? Yeah. I think everybody's gifts, you know, I think back then we didn't realize how talented. I don't think back in the days we realized how talented everybody really was and what they had to bring to the table. What exactly had to offer. When we first started, we was trying to do like a mixture of the Jacksons meets the Temptations that was our idea of us. So everybody was supposed to have a role. When we came into Candy Girl album, it was more of this Jackson 5ish vibe, which was if we would have, we would have switched it out the gate. It would have came in the gate a little bit more with everybody's talented talents being showcased out the gate. So I think that what I've learned is the brotherhood, how smart everybody is, how much they actually added to the table and brought to the table that you take for granted because everybody's supposed to do their part. We just taught you do your role. But then you look back later on, it's like, what if that, that he didn't know how to do that or he didn't have that gift. This might not have worked at all. But that's what I've learned. I've learned that everybody's gifted and extremely smart and knows exactly what we're doing and has gotten better over time. And we're really a real brotherhood. What about y'? All? 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I sit down with musicians from all musical styles to play songs together in an intimate setting. Every episode's a little bit different, but it all involves music and conversation with some of my favorite musicians. Over the past two seasons, I've had special guests like Dave Grohl Levy, Rufus Wainwright, Remy Wolf, Marc Rebiet, Mavis Staples. Really too many to name, and there's still so much more to come in this new season, including the powerful psychedelic duo Black Pumas, my old pal and longtime songwriting friend Jesse Harris, and the legendary Lucinda Williams. Listen to Norah Jones is playing along on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts people. We had, you know, Michael Bivens, we had Khalil Roundtree, we had Gerald Busby. And a lot of the things that they were doing was cultivating what they already knew existed. At some point it might tell you they didn't know what to do with us because we weren't doing what everybody else was doing at the time. So when it came down to it, it was more so knowing what we were capable of vocally because that's what the nucleus was. How good can we be with our harmonies? How can we set ourselves aside from the rest of the people that are singing at this time? And, you know, I think that that was what we focused on more than anything. We didn't really get into the brotherhood until, I guess things started going awry, you know, I mean, because there's not a. There's. There's always levels to this. You know, there's ups and downs. So when things started getting to a certain point, I think that's when we said, okay, now we have to hold on to each other. Now we have to hold on to the brotherhood. And as you can see, we're a lesser brother. You know what I'm saying? Because when the chips are down, you know, that's a real thing. You know what I'm saying? Everybody has to stay as strong as you did in the beginning when you were doing it for nothing. That's right. You understand? So that's what it is. And then we just started realizing when things were at a certain level that we needed each other more than anything. We already knew what we were capable of. I mean, and we gave each other roles all the way from the beginning. I mean, Nate's always been the business guy, you know what I mean? Sean's always been kind of like the creative and the balance of it all, and I'm just a crazy motherfucker, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? But them. Because I have a responsibility to the integrity of my group, I had to bring that down. And that was because I had people like Brooke and. And, you know, they. They saw it in. In their. In their realm, and they were like, okay, let's. Let's bring him in. Let's. Let's drop. Bring him back so he don't end up in a different way. You know what I mean? And. And no bull crap. I'm. I'm tell you this. My dude, the dude that saved my life in numerous instances that he. He don't even remember, is this guy right here. You understand? Yep, he has. And Because Khalil used to say it all the time, you ain't gonna be like that. Remember that name, yo. He was like, I promise you. I promise you ain't gonna be like that. And I was like, but I love him. You know what I'm saying? Like that. And. And. And. And. And. And it was. It was a unspoken connection until I met him. And then he literally. I will tell that story another time, but this guy right here, man, is he's checked on me even when, like, he wasn't in New Edition, you know what I'm saying? He checked on me like, yo, dude, you in atl? I'm like, hell, yeah. You know what I'm saying? What we doing? You know what I'm saying? But that's the thought process. The thought process is everybody got us to a certain point. It was up to the ups and the downs, the struggles to create the nucleus that boys to men is right now. That to. To know what we are all capable of, and we all play our roles perfectly, which is the reason why God has blessed us to be so successful at this point. I want to go back to something Ralph said. When you talked about, you know, leaning into everybody, you leans into everybody's talents earlier. Yeah. When everybody broke off and had success outside of New Edition, did y' all ever look at each other and be like, nah, I didn't know they could do that. Like, I didn't know BBD could do that. I ain't know Bobby could do that. Not me. I was ecstatic. Every time something blew up and somebody was winning, I was ecstatic. I was at home. Like, there you go. That's. Bobby was the dance entertainer, master in our projects. Absolutely. You know, when we grew up, I just knew he was better than all of us at dancing and entertaining and just. Just being live. You know what I'm saying? He was that dude. And so not the world. The world. Not being able to see that as a part of our group, that was a big dynamic missing to me. So when he. When he stepped out and he did it, it's like, yes, they get to see that we have that in us, too, because there was a lot of stuff that was coming. Real candy, girl. Real. Them boys was real soft or this bubblegum. And we don't. Yeah, bubblegum. So you don't. You don't hate it, but you don't like it either. So having other pods. When BBD started representing and Bobby started representing, Johnny's in the group. Now he's doing his thing with his grown man. He's just turning everything into what I really knew, what we had and letting the world see it. So for me, it was just, finally, the world's getting a chance to see what we're really made out of. Ralph. Let me give y' all y' all flowers and say that there's been no group, white or black, that has done what New Edition has done ever. Not to me. Not for us. There's never been a group Alive, past, present, or probably future. Come on, man. That has been a group. Broke up all them, went platinum, came back again, and went platinum again. Wu Tang, the only one. Literally, that's it. So I just want to just put that out there. Like they've done something that is unprecedented, and the only way that that could possibly happen is if we make it happen. We can help. If we can help a group get to that point, then that's the only way. They have to follow the blueprint. If they're not going to follow the blueprint, then it's not possible. You can't be successful without following what we've done. Exactly. And speaking of that, Juan Moore, Big Boy Chulo, Ty Rocco. Your boy. Yes. I love them. Thank you. So y' all gonna do that for them? I mean. Cause I'm talking about. Them boys got the voice already. I'll tell you what, I am so ready to tap in. Yeah. And, you know, God bless them, definitely. And they're passionate about it. And with. With different opportunities that come my way, I'm gonna definitely make sure that, you know, we. We. We tap in. All those boys can sing. Oh, man. Thank you so much. When you think about some of the things that allow you to be successful, you know, is discipline. Yes. And they have discipline. They do. And then on top of the discipline, you have to have consistency. Absolutely. That's something that we had, as Rick said. Yes. Early in our career, before the opportunity presented itself. You know, we were prepared because of the consistent consistency over time. Rehearse, rehearse, rehearse. When we see them putting their videos out, making sure that they're staying consistent, working on their craft, you know, that they have to have the gift, but not waiting for them to touch the stage that we're gonna be on. We gotta definitely make that happen. Oh, man. Come on, let's go. You know what? Too Charlamagne. Like, there's quiet storms in our group, and you guys just really get to hear the music, see the concert. You don't get to get on the conference calls where the shit really goes down. You don't come in the dressing room where the shit really goes down. But I would just say this. And Rizzo, you know, he's always gonna say it so eloquently because that's how he speaks. But, you know, Ralph's important. When he shows up to do the show, it gives us a sense of strength. When he walks through the door, it's like Brady coming through the door. Yes. It is what it is. And, you know, When Bob is hurting or his leg, and he's just like, fuck it, let's go. I'll just stand over here. He's like, basically, I can't do that shit. But I'm a rock this microphone. And that means everything to the audience. Right when we're trying to make a decision. You know, big bro Johnny Gill, he's a heavy voice in our group. You know, he's older, he's wiser. He's not just a singer, but he's a leader by conversation. And he keeps us at a high standard. It's just some shit we not accepting. And that's just that. And in prayer, that's Mr. Ricky Bell. Whenever we need to hear a good, kind word, he'll close the call. And that's so powerful to keep us together. And of course, you know, bro over there, when he was speaking about the dance moves, it's because he makes us reach for excellence. And that's Ronnie. You know what I'm saying? When we want to just go sit down, grab some water. Nah, nah. Let's go two more times. And you see that in his performance on stage. So I was just gonna say what makes us tight. What Ralph said is everyone brings something to the table. And I want to say it on Breakfast Club. Cause I don't know when we'll all be back here together. Hold on, Mike, before you let me get to your slot. Go ahead, Rizzo, before you finish. And Mike's slot is the point guard. Thanks, Rizzo. He hands the ball to everybody. That's dope. He carries the ball. He knows the next play to make. He's thinking of the next play to make. And he knows who to deliver the ball to. To make sure that we get. We score the basket, you know what I'm saying? And we win the game. Yeah. Thanks, bro. That's Bill. And I want to say this. Cause it ain't over, but because of this guy, you know, he's matured. When I met him, he was just ready to sponge, get all the information. But if it wasn't for Nate Morris, I would have never been a CEO. Really. He's seen something in me that I didn't see in myself. So I always wanted to tell him. I tell him in Texas. I tell him on the phone. But I'm gonna say it to the world. Thank you. He changed my life. He helped me see something I didn't see. I was 19. I know my words and cursing was heavy, but that's cause I loved y'. All. And I wanted Y' all to be the best. And I just want. Y' all. Can't dance. Juan, stop. Stop. I got a few more. Come on, Juan. I got a few. It's too early. Come on. Let me finish. Let me finish. I knew it. What did you see, Nick? What did you see in be? I mean, I just. It just seemed like from the outside looking in, you got to remember, we. We weren't in the industry at the time, but, you know, from the outside looking in, I saw what. What Ralph just said. You know what I'm saying? It just felt like he was a guy that kind of held the group together. He had, you know, put everybody in different positions. And at that point, I felt like, you know, it's a group that we look up to. I mean, honestly. And, I mean, I've never. Never told Mike, but, I mean, he was my first hero in the music industry. I mean, that's pretty much what it was. So for me, it was like, if. If he can do that for them, you gotta be able to do it for us. So. Man, that's crazy right there. Simple. I just. Y' all two right there. I thought they was gonna be at blows. Well, well, well. How about this? Let me put a little bit real quick, but I'll tell you this. We might be able to make it. Here's the deal. We gonna have our conversation. We ain't straight, but we know we ain't straight. I got you. And. But we all know we gonna go get this money, we gonna please these fans, and we gonna figure out what we gotta do. Either we gonna fix it or we not, but we all gonna go out here and do what we. I feel you, Nick. That's a smarter move to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let me ask a question, Biff. If you could go back and renegotiate that first deal with Boyz II Men with everything, you know now, what would you do differently? That's a good question. I think, honestly, they said, yeah, that's a good question. No, honestly, I think some of those deals was something that Gerald suggested. See, he's the one that said, be an executive. He said, do a production, do publishing, do. I didn't even think like that. You know what I mean? And at the same token, he was totally against it. He didn't really like boys to me, you know, so I'm fighting for them to be heard and to be seen. He's helping me structure stuff, and I thought that it was a. It was a gamble. And the thing is, like, we never had a Lawyer, sit in the room with us. When we signed, it was just us. Yeah, it was just us. Sandwiches. And we went through the paperwork and we just did it. The good thing about it is it was successful. That's it. Right. And the record label, honestly, the record label needed a hit to keep the lights on. And we kept the lights on. Yeah, we did all right. We was thinking about say less, say less. Right. And then sold the motherfucker. So the thing is this. Even in all of that, what was the easier way to do? It was 50. 50. Now, remember, in their 50 is for them. In my 50, there's one. And so a lot of the stuff that might, you know, look a little different later is through success. So a lot of that stuff there might have been the things that made it look a little crazy, made it feel a little different. I love it. But that was crazy. Yeah. But at the end of the day, what was able to come out of it and what was able to dig? We didn't fail or we wouldn't be here. I was gonna say Mike. And to follow, that was. Gerald was your mentor. And just like, what. You know, we were talking about earlier about the guys talking about us being their mentors. And it's so funny, because when you influence or you're being taught the game, you're rocking with the game, you're rocking with it, and you're learning as you go. But I can say this in a nutshell. Listen, we all have been through a journey, been through some ups and downs, some changes and turnarounds in our lives. And when you look at where we are today, we're blessed. Yeah, we're all blessed. And guess what? So what we had to go through to get here. Yeah. At the end of the day here, I'm not mad at anybody because this is like looking at God and smacking him in the face. Because you're saying, I'm mad that you took me through this. Right. To get here to where's today? I'm grateful. That's right. I'm grateful. And nobody has walked a road, and that has been easy. And that has been just that simple. It doesn't work like that. Yeah, I agree. I agree totally. I agree, Johnny. But, you know, under the circumstances, as human beings, you know what I mean? Emotions, emotions mean everything. As human beings, you know, you. You have thought, process. We have to respect the human in each other because it might be easier for some people to get over things than others. You know what I'm saying? Like, for me, you know, my Getting over it is very simple. I was the youngest, and I lived in the projects. This man saved my life, you understand? He gave me an opportunity by the grace of God. God saved my life through this. He gave us the opportunity. So in my mind, he did what he was supposed to do for me. It was up to me to go to the next place. It was up to us to do that. And we did. You know what I mean? Under the circumstance of forgiveness and all of those things, a communication is everything, you know what I mean? And it does not take away from the fact that you guys are our heroes, our mentors. Don't be that way. And again, like I said, I don't. I don't speak much because I only want to speak about stuff that matters. But in this case, like I said, you know, we've been able to be where. Be in the nucleus that we've been for the last few years. And like Juan said, we all just got into the room together for the first time in a long time. And that's a feat in itself, I would say. Even with. With whatever might be, whatever will handle or deal with whatever. It's a feat in itself. There's a lot of groups out here today that, you know, get emotional about things and don't know how to handle business correctly, right? And the key is you handle business first, and then you handle your family stuff in the back room and not on the Internet, in the media. So that being said, again, it ain't nothing but love in this room. Whatever else we gonna deal with, we'll deal with it. I mean, I love. I love the fact that y' all guys are coming together, right? Because y' all all had individual battles in the press, in the public, in the group and all that. But the fact that you look at how many, you know, even rappers and R B singers on this wall that's no longer here, you know what I mean? The fact that there'd have been so many should have or could have or, damn, that would have been dope. Y' all are actually pulling it off like that could have been is gonna happen on this tour. That's why this is important. But see that two amazing groups that can really sing and can dance. Well, Bib said y' all can't dance, but sing and dance to pull off this show is amazing. And it ain't a small beacon theater. No disrespect to beacon theaters. Y' all doing arenas. And so for that, we applaud y', all, and we. I know I'm So excited to see y'. All. I'll be on multiple dates and I'm gonna be on the side of the stage just in case one of the members ain't there. I know all the songs from both groups if y' all need me or have your uniform ready. Cause it's about to be reverse racism. Because I don't see that many light skinned brothers. So y' all can put me in. That's why they were so successful. They don't like anyone. And he ain't even that light skin. He ain't that light skinned in the middle. Ronnie, pass for black. My wife said. Yo, my wife says it's peanut butter. That's. There you go, there you go, there you go, There you go. Are y' all helping boys and men develop their biopic? Because I remember there was rumors of a boysman biopic at one time. No, it's not a rumor. It's happening. I mean, we're. We're still in the. The embryonic stages of it, still trying to get things together because we want to make sure that the story is told the right way. Because there are a lot of things that by design, we have not said. You know, there's been a lot of things that's been mentioned about the group and said about the group and things of that nature that we just kind of watched a lot kept quiet, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, it's funny how certain people in the industry tend to think that they could score points on us because maybe we don't, because. Oh, Jesus Christ. I wasn't gonna say no, but my point is that a lot of people tend to, to try to score points on us because we're not affiliated with a gang or we wouldn't roll up on somebody. And because we don't say nothing and we don't say nothing, we keep it quiet, busy because. And a lot of the things that are said is hilarious to us, especially because when you see the people that are actually saying it, you gotta always consider the source. And when you see their positions and the lives they're living and things of that nature, outside of all of the shock value of, oh, somebody said this, if you look a little deeper, you say, oh, okay. That's why they said that. Now, you know, the thing about the industry, though, is that everybody knows everything about everybody. Yeah, if I wanted to come on this radio show and talk about certain people, I know I could because I know exactly what happened, who did it, the whole nine yards. Or do you think those type of people. Or do you. And that's the issue. You know what, though? You know what, Sean, is. We're in the era where you could just reply with your fingers, right? Say what? You say you could tell someone, meet me at such and such, whatever, Right? But you got to look at it this way. Within the nine of us, I'm sure all of us have been through something and learned something. And I would say this, sitting next to Bob, he might have said some of the toughest skin I've ever seen any individual have. And the one thing I never said, Bob also used to people up, though. Yeah. But I was gonna. But wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. This what I was gonna say. This is what I was gonna say. But I've never seen Bob really wild out the way you may say it. I'm just saying I. I hear people say the Bob to me, and I say to myself, I like the way he carries himself, and sometimes you gotta pop off. But I'm just saying the skin is deep, and we got that somebody in our group. That is what you're talking about. The. The he gotta hear when he's sitting home with his kid that just don't feel good to the soul. And as brothers, we. We check somebody when we're around someone and say, no, no, no, no, I'm a. You can't do that. You're not gonna do that. And you supposed to do that if he's there or not. But see, that's brotherhood. The issue is not us, though. You know what I mean? It's the people. You know what I'm saying? Everyone has an opinion. You know what I mean? They call it social media, but there's nothing social about it at all. You know what I mean? The thought process about it is when someone says something about you, it's fine, especially if it's true. I don't care. But I'm tired of people lying about us. They lie about us, and we never say nothing. Well, I got a. A messed up knee. I got three screws in it. And. And. And I'm. I'm. I'm getting myself together. Before you go there, I want to give them an example of how we don't say anything. Like, people been talking about our fourth member forever. Oh, y' all did this to him. Y' all kicked him out. He was sick. Y' all ain't give a about him. Y' all don't know the story. And that's okay because we keep that in. But I tell you one thing. We've never done, we've never said anything about him until the latter years to. And to make sure that man, if he's not here, he can have a career. Absolutely stomp on him. You don't do that. So we don't, we don't do that. That's not. I mean, I'm the least social media guy on the planet. Yes, yes. There is no need for, I don't live in that space. So there's no need to go in there and deal with all the craziness because we gonna handle ourselves. So when someone is, is doing that and telling stories, like literally fabricated stories, I feel like it's just felt like time, you know, time to defend the integrity of my group, of my fellows, myself, you know what I mean? And you know, look, I'm not gonna say boys to men, we was the cleanest niggas on planet Earth, you know what I'm saying? We did some stuff, you know what I'm saying? A lot of people, I'm pretty sure we pissed some people off, you know what I mean? Right. But at the end of the day, we were trying to protect our people brand. We were trying to protect it. We didn't have Michael Bivens on over us anymore to protect us. We didn't have Kyl Roundtree. He got murdered, you know what I'm saying? We was trying to figure out all kinds of things managerial. We had Michael Jackson and Prince telling us to know your worth and don't let nobody get over on you, you know, so we, we developed a, A chip. A chip. We started looking at everybody like, oh no, you're not going to do this to us. You're not going to. Going to do this to us. So when they hear our voices because we were so silent because everybody else was doing it for us. Now we're, you know, you understand. Just because we're sitting in the studio and we're working on a project does not mean that we're going to be consorting. That's not what Boys to Men do. When we're in the studio, we work. We don't have time to play games, you know what I'm saying? Because we have a. We have to please these fans, you know, so when someone is saying, you know, that we said something as specific about a friend of ours. We don't need Baby Face. Yes. Who I just talked to two days ago. I just talked to you yesterday. Come on, man. I saw you jump in the comments of the clip too and say maybe what you said, but so why now even address that if you know it's not true? Because I got time. I got a broke, messed up knee. I was sitting on the damn cop. I was sitting. I was sitting on the damn couch. I couldn't get up. I couldn't drive. I was watching cartoons and playing PlayStation. And I saw that shit, and I said, hmm, this will be fun. And guess what? It was. It was very fun. Because I got a chance to let the people who really cared on that page know that it was a lie. Now, you could choose to take it forever, you want. I'm just trying to figure out where it came from. I never said anything derogatory about Chili. If you read the comments, I said, I love those girls. I said, we have history together. I'm just trying to figure out what. What happened. I mean, we heard that Tion said after the. The Pastor Mike thing. I ain't stand for this corny ass, corny ass show. That's what you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, why I love you. We love y'. All. Like the nostalgia. When we walk into the room, they jump into our. I mean, Chili used to jump into our arms. Yeah. It's like, what's good? At the end of the day, we. We just gonna sell some tickets. All right? Because that. Because. Because to be honest with you, this where we are and what we trying to do, we trying to inspire. Absolutely. That's right. Absolutely. And you guys, movie is gonna be a great movie. It's gonna be from your point of view. Your fans are gonna love it. And we just want them to come to this. Absolutely. So they can see us together. Cause we've never done this. Absolutely. You know, and this. This is really our first interview. So the Breakfast Club is really the first interview of us all together. Can I just say to you guys, to boys and men, let me just say this and I'll shut up. But I'm glad that you guys are telling your story. Because in a world that we're living in now with social media, and everybody can get on here and say what they want, ruin people's lives, ruin your reputation, they can do a number of things. It is important. No, you can't fight the whole world. No, we'll never be able to change. Sometimes people view, no matter whether it's the truth or not. But when it comes from the horse's mouth and it's written in stone, it can't be erased. Tell the story so nothing else. At the end of the day, with your legacy, anybody Want to believe whatever they want to believe. That's all. It's all well and fine, but it has come from the horse's mouth directly and is written. Amen, Johnny. But, yeah, so. So the answer, yes, we're working on the biopic. Bib is definitely going to put his input into it and work it out. Mike McCary is going to have his input. You know what I'm saying? Because it's everybody's story. It's everybody. It's everybody's story. But the stuff that Juan and everybody was touching on, man, and people that were saying, they corny, they cornball. Look, I'm like, Nathan, Nathan. Like, I. None of that. Hey, hey, he don't Internet. He don't. He Internet. He don't social media at all, bro. I live in the real world. Yeah? Nothing on there has nothing to do with me. I. I don't know none of those people. I tell my son, if you might just open the front door and just let everybody walk in your house. How many fights you get into on tour when people try to play out? Because people always try to play an R B artist. Like, they always think of R B artist is soft bubblegum. How many times you got to throw somebody around, move some furniture? You know what? They. They. They police. They police. Or they police you, they hold you back. They try to talk me like, yo, bro, it ain't worth it. You know what I'm saying? You know, So I mean, it's not a lot, but it can get to the mic, mate. Oh, it's not a lot. But I mean, you know, man, some people. What's the difference between R B and some other genre? The greatest day that I saw. I don't know why. Because we speak peace, people think we can't throw no joints. Don't let the bow ties fool you. You know what I'm saying? It's one of those things where it's like, we. We. We never had this braggadocious bravado, like, you know, we walk around like tough guys because we ain't have to. Because we sing love songs, right? Why you mad at us? We sing love songs. That's all we do. Please don't. Don't get it twisted. Like, stop. And it's just. I mean, it's the same. I think. I think it's the same vibe with New Edition, though. Cause people was, like, calling them, you know, popcorn. But, you know, Orchard park ain't popcorn. Orchard park ain't Popcorn. I've been there. I've been there like When I see Johnny and Bobby go at people and call people, like, what you say about me? I'm like, I love that. N N. They used to play with Johnny too. I got issues. And Johnny, listen, I'll talk about God in a minute, but I'll kick your ass in the next. And then I'll turn around. I'mma ask him for forgiveness. Knock it off. Leave us alone. Let us sing our love song. I do have one. I do have one last question, man. If the, if the. And this for both. If the early 90s version of y' all could see this reunion now, could see this tour now, what you think they would think it's long overdue, you know? Yeah, I think it would have been different. It would have been. I think it would have actually catapulted both groups to another stage because of the synergy and because of the importance of it. But again, we, We. We live in a God's time. And the bottom line is it was supposed to happen now. Yeah, we're wiser now at this moment. We're older, we're wiser. We understand not just each other, but we understand each other's places in our lives. We know that by osmosis, we're connected. Yeah. And. And again, we're a branch of. That. We're a branch of the tree. You know what I'm saying? And again, let's. Let's get it twisted. We will always pay homage to these guys, you know what I'm saying? And thankful for what these guys have done for us. And this is our way of telling that story in an entertaining way for two and a half, three hours. Like Ron said, we're gonna give you guys our story and have the best time ever. And have the best time ever. I know. I can't wait. Get your tickets. If you haven't got your tickets yet, don't be trying to buy me because you can't dance. And I have an announcement. Hell no, I'm not giving away no free tickets. I did that two tours and every time I did that showing up and I'm spending all this money, some show up, some money giving away. Listen, this is. No, It's a no comp tour. No, I'm not giving away, no buying tickets. I'm done. Tickets. If you haven't got your tickets. And. And I can't wait. What do tickets go on sale? Do we know when the pre sale was? Yesterday. Talking to your mic. Main thing is Friday. Presale was Tuesday, but the main thing is Friday. Friday. He said Friday. Go on sale Friday, get you it. They're talking about 30 cities. I'm sure it's gonna be more than that, because they're gonna have to ask. It's gonna sell out so fast. I'm just happy grown folks got something to do, man. It's gonna be a great day, man. New edition. Boys to man. Thank y' all for joining us. Don't forget. That's what I meant. Why Tony? Why? Why did y' all decide to get Tony? We needed a queen. And I thought that, honestly, she was, to me, I thought was a great, great part. It could be a great part of this. This, the whole movie. Because it's about. When you're doing a show like this, you want catalog, you want everything to be able to fit perfectly. And I think that she just fits for these. For the first choice. Yes. She was my first choice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That conference call was different, but she's there. Yeah, yeah. So y' all made the call to her personally? Oh, yeah, I did. You did? 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