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How you doing, brother? I feel great, man. Y' all look good in here. Oh, thank you. Before we dive into to anything, I do have a question, because they were making fun of me, Right. What's up? I was speaking to a pastor, and we were talking about the celebration of Halloween. Okay. And we used to go all out as a family. We used to do these videos and, you know, make it fun and. Right. We used to decorate the house. And the pastor said, I don't know if it's a good idea to go that far into it. She said, I'm not going to tell you. Don't trick or treat, but what you're doing might be a little too far. I got you. What's your thoughts on it? So there's a whole bunch of different camps on this, especially as people are actually coming out of that holiday. My thing is this is a season where the origins of it are very dark, demonic, let's say evil. There are specific things, though, that happen in our culture that I believe can be redeemed. So I have little kids that actually like dressing up, and if they dress up, not on Halloween, it's not a bad thing. It's like, oh, look at him. He looks like a little. A little princess, or anything like that. So what me and my family do is we use this opportunity to reach people with what we believe, with faith. We use this moment to bless people, to. To give to them, to. Actually, this is a time for people to actually meet their neighbors. Do you know how many people live in their neighborhood and never talk to their neighbors? Never actually. You drive by them, you look at their Christmas lights, but you never talk to them. So we use this as a moment to actually meet our neighbors. We invite them to church. We bless them with the best candy. We actually talk to them and use it because all things can actually work together for good. I definitely think that there are some evil things that happen in this season also. I think to the pure, all things are pure, and there is something good that can come out of every situation. Also, at the church, we do fall festivals, and we bring kids to the church. And we. We take something that culture uses sometime to glorify something else, and we try to figure out a way where we can put hope, love, joy, peace in the middle of it. And so I just would encourage everybody to use this as a moment to come together and not divine, you know, so interesting. I don't think nobody's thinking about Halloween as something evil. It's. It's community, it's joy, like you said, it's the giving of the candy. It's a bonding thing with the family and the neighbors. Like, I don't think nobody's looking at it. Like, now there are some evil stuff. Come on now. Hold on, wait a minute. I mean, first off, all of the come. Why he gonna do that? Come on, man, don't do it like that. People dress up one day and when people do this all year round. Yeah, yeah. One day of people pretending. No, no, no, no. I think. I think that horror movies are evil too. I think some. A lot of the origins of them are a lot of the killing, a lot of the evil spirits, a lot of the ghost stuff, a lot of demonic activity, the seances, the Ouija board. I mean, I could go on and on and on. I do believe that stuff is demonic and does is spiritual from darkness. What about hip hop, when you playing the records about people killing each other? I think a lot of that is evil origin as well. But you know what? Let's be honest. But you know what? You gonna stop playing those records? Envy Charlemagne, he grew up. Job was witness, and so he wasn't able to celebrate a bunch of, you know, a bunch of holidays. So I got living out his little boy. I think it's different. So you don't even look at it as a, you know, I got you. I'm asking. But. But one. Somebody. Somebody would say that it's more diving into demonic ways and worshiping the demons. Worshiping. You don't think that. You don't think. You don't think that music does that. You worship it? Satan was. What was Satan? The minister of music? Yes, sir. Oh, okay. But do you worship it? You worship music? Yes, I do, actually. I love hip hop. I think that worship is a little different than. Hold on. Worship is a definite bowing down to something. Okay? So let's be. Let's be very clear about that. And music is a conduit of worship. So I would encourage everybody. Whatever you're listening to, there is something that can get into your heart, your spirit, your mind, your soul that will make you do things that is not what you would really want to do. It begins to show your allegiance and to make idols of different things. And so that's why music is so powerful. And I will say, I agree with you that the origins of a lot of the music that is out and that we listen to is from evil nature. Music is way more powerful than Halloween. Oh, completely. It's not even close. But that's why you have to have strong will. If you. If you have your own, you know what I'm saying? You got strong will, then you won't be affected. I will say that. I will say that a strong will will get you so far. But there are things that are more powerful than a will. There. There are decisions that you can make to partner with certain things that are stronger than your decision. No, I don't want to do that. How many people have said, I ain't going back to that dude, and he called you at night time and you end up in his bed. Hold on, let me just say. I'm just. I'm just trying to say. What I'm saying is, how many times did we say, we're not going to eat the donut and we're sitting there with a box of Krispy Kremes? How many times have we said, so? Strong will is not always enough. I really believe that you have to not just have strong will. You actually have to have disciplines, practices, things that are accountable around you, because if you don't, you will end up. I think everybody listening and everybody in this room has done stuff. We had a strong will that we were not going to do. Yeah, for sure. And. And that's why I think that we really have to. To. To put our faith in something that's stronger than our strong will and have a foundation that'll never change. And for me, that's Jesus Christ. See, Charlemagne is the type of person, you know, you give up cigarettes and he'd be like, but you're still drinking soda, though. But, you know, can I be comfortable with what I want to be comfortable with? I'm not judging. I'm just saying. But also, too, what he. What he failed to mention is, I don't think you can. I don't think you can do a little bit of evil. What do you mean? So if you think something is wrong, you can't do a little bit of it. I got you. You understand what I'm saying? I hear you. So either you're gonna stop doing it all together, or you're still sinning. I'm just not Diving into the huge thing that I used to do before and do these huge videos and decorations and productions. I'm not doing that. If my kids wanted to dress up and trick or treat with their friends, I'm cool with. But I'm not opening up my negativity in my house. We gotta celebrate this. This is progression though, and not perfection. And I think that everybody has to do that. Cause there will be the Charlemagne's of this world that always try to pick out what you not doing. Yes, I felt that you need an amen right there, huh? But I feel like that that's not the way that people change. People don't fall into their vices all of a sudden. They fall in progressively. It's watching something, it's doing something, it's then participating all the time and it's becoming it. No, this is all of a sudden because on Friday he was telling us how he forgot his costume, he was supposed to be damed out, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden today you're like my past. But I said it clearly. I said. And then in the next break, shout out to everybody who celebrated Halloween this week. But this the thing. The transition is messy production. I'm not doing the production and opening up my house today, Envy. I am still go. I still go out with my kids. Don't let them. Do not let him or anybody else. Anybody else. It's him. Okay, It's. It's just. But this is what I'm saying. Hey, bro, the truth of the matter is all transitions and have tension. When you're trying to make a change, especially when you have been something else, you have to realize that people won't understand your transition. Because a lot of times that transition is supposed to happen in the dark. It's supposed to have a dark room. You have to develop into that thing. And because you guys do everything in front of everybody and somebody can pull up what you said last week or last year or last month and like you not that, hey, forget all of that. For everybody that's listening in this room right now, and that's in here, progression is messy. Would you tell Bruce Jenner the same thing? In my mind? Because I was thinking that when he started saying transition, I was thinking. And again and again, what I'm going to tell you is progression. And changing into who God has created you to be is a messy process. And sometimes you go back and forth. Sometimes you're trying to figure it out, sometimes you're trying to fill out what's real to you. And what you actually have to do. So I celebrate you in making the progression step, if that's what you feel like you need to. I do have another question, though. You know, we did a deep dive into it this week, and that's what I'm asking. So when you speak to somebody that's like a medium, right. And they're saying that they can see the afterlife or in between, what's your thoughts on things like that? Does that come from a positive place or is it a negative place or. We don't know. The supernatural is very real. Absolutely. Let me be very clear. The supernatural is very real. But the Bible is very clear too, that the same people that were inspired and empowered by God to actually make change, we can use Moses and we can use Elijah who are calling down fire. There were people in that time that were actually empowered by evil forces or by the devil. And so I definitely believe that when somebody is channeling a different spirit or talking to the future, my question is, where's the source? Is the Source God the God of the universe? The God who created all things, the one who loves everybody? Or is the source something that is evil, demonic, perverted, twisted? And so I definitely believe all of it's real. And I definitely believe that you can hear and see those things through people because there's too many signs of that everywhere. But the truth is, check the source. Would you. Would you talk to a medium? Not to find out anything. I would talk to him to pray for him. Okay. Because I already have access to God and everybody has access to God through Jesus. So the truth of the matter is, a lot of times these mediums, these sources, these people are cop outs for actually talking to the head person. A lot of people won't go to God because they think that he's ashamed of them or he hates them, or it's going to be like, what religion did. And God is a loving father that's waiting for his children to come home. And it's like, why would you go talk to your uncle when you could come talk to your dad? Yeah. And mediums actually talk to the spirit guides around you. I don't think it's God. And again, why would you go talk to an assistant when you could talk to the CEO? And a lot of people choose cheap cop outs because they feel like that they have to present themselves a certain way. But I, I just tell people, like, I don't need anybody to tell me what God's already told me. That's why even prophets in the B, they're Supposed to bring edification and confirmation to what God's already talked to you about. Well, I. I don't disagree with you, Pastor Mike Todd, but I hear a lot of people feel that way about Jesus. And what I mean by that is they say Jesus is God's Son. So why do I have to talk through the Son to talk to my Father? Because the Bible says that Jesus is the only way, the truth and the life. The only way that you can come to him is through. The only way you can come to the Father is through the Son, because he knew that we would not be able to understand his ways. The Bible says his ways are not our ways. Thoughts is not our thoughts. He's higher. So I'm going to take myself the Trinity. Now we getting into a deep theological thing, but we get into the Trinity, and it's the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit all in one. And he said, I got to give my children something they can relate to. So I'm going to. I'm going to wrap myself in humanity. I'm going to put on humanity, and I'm going to come to the earth. And when I come to the earth, I'm going to live this life sinless for 33 years. But I'm not going to do it without temptation. I'm going to let all the temptations that they would experience come. And because everything that is redeemed has to have a sacrifice, I'm going to become the sacrificial lamb for everybody. And all they got to do is believe that this was done for them, and they'll have access back to the Father. And what ends up happening in that is all it is, is an acknowledgment that God did this for us. And when you understand that, you really understand the love of God. Like most people, you know, people going through all kinds of stuff right now, and most people just don't know they're loved like they were loved even before their parents had them. The Bible says, before you were in your mother's womb, I knew you. I chose you. I called you. So, like, even all the crazy, bad stuff that happens in this earth, because we're in a fallen world right now, there's still somebody who loves you enough to help you, redeem you, send good people into your life, give you different opportunities. And so for me, man, I know who I was before I met God for real. Like, I knew I was a liar, addicted to pornography, a manipulator. I had very evil things in my heart. And then I realized I Was loved by God. And he had a plan for my life. And he took all my gifts and my talents and all that other stuff, and I could use it for him. And it changed my life. And I want as many people to know that. And I don't care what you think about me. I don't care if you clown me. I don't care if you. I know the truth. That one day we all going to find out. And I'm passionate about it because I don't want nobody to get to the great judgment and be like, nobody told me. Like, I'm gonna be the dude that's like, yo, at least I tried to tell you. Like, there's a different way to do this. And God really loves you, man. And so that's my. I. I didn't come here to preach, but I guess I just did. You know what I'm saying? I need to receive a word. But Jesus was 33. 33. I'm gonna go ahead. I'm 33. Look at you. That's what's up. You and your Jesus year. You and your Jesus year. That's what's up. You know, he died at 33, you know. No, no, no. But the thing about that is. Stop that. And that's crazy. Every day you now die like, boy, this is the thing. I'm gonna. I'm gonna say this. Something in you is going to die so that a greater version of you can live. There you go. Okay, thank you. There you go. Okay, can we stay on this for a second? And I'm gonna tell you the reason I want to stay on this for a second, because I've been having this conversation a lot lately, and I've always felt like this my whole life. I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I believe Jesus was a messenger. He was sent here to show us the best example of what we can be. The thing I have a problem with is us as humans. Yeah. We act like we have unlimited sins because of the sacrifice that Jesus made. Why don't we strive to be the best versions of ourselves the way that Jesus did, as opposed to just sinning, sinning, sinning, sinning. And then we can just pray it away. Yeah. So I think the truth of the matter is people don't understand the cost of what Christ did for everybody. Because if you understood the cost, you wouldn't treat it so cheap. Exactly. The truth of the matter is it's a fictional story for most people. What Jesus did, being scourged and beaten and laid on a cross. And while he's on a cross. He looks over at a thief and literally says, today, if you believe in me, you'll be in paradise. And two guys had a decision to make. And one of them's like, nah, I'm good. And the other one was like, yo, I believe. Like, he's literally getting killed, and he's still trying to show his love for somebody who was a sinner who did the crime. And so a lot of people, they don't understand how much it costs. And just like in our society today, nobody understands what tax evasion really cost you until you locked up for 15 years. Like, I mean, it's the huge human nature to, like, you don't know what cheating on your spouse cost until you have to see your kids on. On visits. That's right. Like, that are supervised. You're right. Yeah, we. We try to romanticize how much things cost, but really it cost a lot more. And so that's why there's a scripture in Galatians that talks about, so now that we've received this beautiful grace, do we keep going on in sin? And it says, of course not. He was like, we. We don't keep doing the thing that he rescued us from. We gotta change in our conduct, in our act and our love. And that's why the fruit of the spirit should be love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self control. That's what we're actually supposed to be displaying. But it's hard to display that when you think that what happened was a fairy tale or was something back in the day. It's just an historic fact instead of the greatest act of love that we've ever seen. Yeah. When they say the best apology is change behavior, I believe the best form of repentance is change behavior. You talking big. You talking big right there. Because repent is not a church word. It just means to turn. That's what repent means. And so a lot of people say, sorry, but they don't turn. A lot of people repent in their heart, but they didn't turn. You gone to the altar, you pray, lord, if you save me out of this, I promise I'll never smoke that, and I'll never shoot that, and I'll never do that. And as soon as you get saved, you right back in the same. So you didn't repent. You just said, I'm sorry. But it's. It's not until you start going a different direction that there's actual repentance. And that's why where what you're saying the change behavior, that's really the modification we all have to make to actually line up with, I think, the plan and the will of God for all of our lives. What would you say to, like, the younger generations, right? Like, you know, recently I saw the NLE Chapel, sat down with all these men. Kirk Franklin on his show, right? And he. He's read the Bible, according to him. That's what he said. He said he read the Bible, but he. Some things, you know, you got questions about. You're confused, right? And he was saying, like, if Jesus was the son of God, right? And God is our father and Jesus our father, like, that's confusing a little bit to him. I understood what he was saying, you know, but the only response that somebody gave him was to read the Bible again. But it's like, yo, in that moment, I felt like that was perfect to teach, you know what I'm saying? Like, because even me at 33, I've been reading the Bible since I was 25. And there are questions that I have, but I'm also just afraid, right, to question God. And I know we're not supposed to be afraid to question some things, but questioning God, I was raised like, no, you don't do that. But isn't it supposed to be like, you don't question his timing? You don't question, like, when he does things for you. But I. We're not. No, you need questions. You got a question. How do you find out something if you don't know, right? I've gone on a spiritual journey. Shout out to NLE Chopper for reading the Bible. You can come hang with me any day. Because what he needs is community, right? He needs somebody to wrestle with those things with him, not in front of a camera. Like, let me be very clear, because as soon as a camera comes on, everybody feels like they gotta kinda show that they know, you know what I'm saying? And so that's why I think even probably in that interview, I haven't seen the whole thing of what you're talking about. But whoever was in there probably didn't say what they believe because the camera's on. And maybe they're still wrestling with it too. Like, I just want to be. I want everybody to embrace the process of becoming this notion that you can be 42 years old and know everything. That's ridiculous. It's the dumbest thing in the world, the fact that you could be 23 or 24. However, an elite chopper is or be 70. This life is a continued journey of humility, teaching and learning. And I pray that Nle has an experience with God that would be undeniable. So the thing about me, and I'll just tell my personal testimony, there's still things as a pastor of a church that I'm like, God, I'm confused. Like, I need. I need. And most pastors wouldn't say that, because if you say that, then it's like, why am I listening to you? There's a lot of stuff I do know, though. And the truth of the matter is, anybody that says they know everything, like, any father that tells me he knows how to parent his kids fully, he's a liar. Any. Any CEO that tells you I know exactly what to do in business, they're a liar in every other trade. You respect the fact that somebody doesn't know everything and is willing to learn. But when it becomes to a pastor or a leader in the faith, it's like, they need to know everything. Only Jesus. Only Jesus. I don't think it's about y' all needing to know everything. I think they want to make sure your actions line up with what you're preaching. Well, the truth of the matter is that has to be how we live. Like, that has to be how we live, because it's so. We don't see that all the time. And the truth of the matter, you don't see fathers being who they're supposed to be in marriages, and you don't. I mean, name me one vocation that everybody in that vocation is doing it right. And so I pray for those people, and I pray for them like, I could be one of them. So that's the thing where grace and mercy and love comes in. Because, like, I rock with people who messed up and they did eight things right and two things wrong. Because the Bible tells us. He's like, hey, those of you who are godly, I need you to restore those people lovingly, lest you be one to fall in temptation and fall yourself. And that's my heart behind it. And I think that more people need to wrestle with those questions with the same people not on podcaster or video chats or streams. They need to go sit in a room with somebody and find out, because there are answers there. But the thing that changed me is my experience. Yeah. So everybody's trying to do it here. And it has to happen here in the heart. It has to happen out of the heart flow the issues of life. And most people will stay close enough to God to get an understanding, but not close enough to have an experience. And there's one thing that you cannot take away from anybody is their own experience. When you heard a song and it made you cry, it don't matter if everybody else says that song is whack to you. You had an experience. And y' all can say this, but every time I feel like this when I play that song. Do you understand what I'm saying? There have been times where I've been in my room, lonely, depressed, and I felt God come and speak to me and give me hope and give me encouragement. And a tear fell down my eye as an eight on an enneagram. I barely ever cried. Like that type of stuff. I had experiences when I was about to go cheat and when I was about to and God said, turn around now. Like, hold on, wait. Like, turn around now, Turn around now. I knew that wasn't me because me wanted to go. Like, I had experiences when God told me that he would use my voice to help millions of people find him, but I wouldn't have to cop out and be whack. And I could be myself, who he called me to be, like, I. Nobody can steal that from me. And so the truth of the matter is, it may not make sense to everybody in their head, but what does? Everybody uses WI fi right now and doesn't know how it works. Don't even know where it come from. Don't even know where it come from. I'm not saying. I mean the average person uses WI fi every day, knows how to connect, but has no idea how it works. Nobody knows how the microwave works. Nobody knows how their car works, but they use it. Why then when it comes to you can look at the world and see God in everything. Why do you have to understand every single thing to believe it? There's so much evidence all around the fact that a man and a woman can come together and have sex and that baby, do you know how many things would have to go perfectly right for it to come out? With your eyes and their nose and their skin complexion and look like your granddaddy. This is the majestic, amazing, awe inspiring God we serve. It's just too good. It's just. And then my other question is, what else you gonna believe in? Where else should we go? Like the disciples said, like, there are other options, but none of them have this much proof. And so for me, anybody listening right now, I just encourage you to go on a journey. I encourage you to question. I think the generation before did not question because of fear of being rebellious. And that fear of being rebellious meant sin, not trying to find an understanding. But the Bible says in all you're getting, get an understanding, like. And so I think that there are things that you can go after and God is so loving that he'll show you himself. You know, it's so interesting, even when I heard Annalee Chopper say that, I've always innately felt that way. Right. If God is my Father, then Jesus would be my brother. And you look at scriptures like Romans 8, 29 that said for those God foreknew, he also predestined form to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. Brothers and sisters. Yeah. And then you. I think it was John 20:17. Yes. Jesus tells Mary Magdalene to go to my brothers and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your father, to my God and your God. So I've always said, if I'm one of God's children, then Jesus must have been my brother. Yeah, yeah. That's how I've always felt. Yeah. And so that's where you have to go deeper. And I'm grateful to have this conversation with you. You got my cell phone number, I got yours. Like, let's talk. Because it's a theological understanding of the Trinity, of God being all three in one. And most people don't understand that. They don't understand. That's where you get confused. And we can walk through that. And I did a series on our, our church Transformation Church called the Upgrade, and it talks about the Holy Spirit. I basically gave the analogy that if you went into a beautiful hotel and you pay for the basic room, and the person said to you, it's like, hey, for free you can have the Upgrade. Would you take it? And everybody would like, I'll give you the. Well, that's the same thing in the Christian faith is that many people stop at just Jesus saving them. But Jesus says before he leaves to be crucified, he tells the disciples, hey, it's better for me that I do go. Because when I go, then another expression of me gets to show up called the Holy Spirit. And when the Holy Spirit comes, he's the one that's going to lead you into all truth. Truth. He's the one that's going to guide you. He's going to be the Paraclete, Parabole, which means he or the Paraclete, the one that walk alongside of you to help you in your daily life. And that's where the different forms of God begin to show up for believers. And so I'll walk you through it. Brother. But the Trinity is how God is all God, but he becomes man to be able to be the sacrifice for all of us so that we can be able to get back to the Father and see, that is confusing. But that's why you have to teach and you have to also be open to learning as well. And I am. And I feel like Choppa was and Ellie Choppa is. It's just that nobody was there to really give him that because he's like, yo, I think Jonathan told me, just read the Scripture, read the Bible again. But reading don't mean reading, don't mean you comprehend it. That's true. I need somebody give me some understanding. So that's what I'm saying, the understanding of it. Number one, if I was to come here and explain to you a geometry problem, we would not get it in this session. And people are asking complex questions without basic concepts, Right? So it's very difficult for. In a sound bite for somebody to give. Do you understand what I'm saying? And so that's where I would just say that if those people are really on and if anybody is really on a truth, be willing to go on the journey for longer than three minutes, for sure. Because either Jesus is our brother or God is our grandfather. And I know God don't want to be called granddad. And so all I'm saying is let's go on the journey together for understanding. Because those who seek wisdom, those who seek it will actually find it. And that is where I think a lot of people just don't have a Seek more beyond the quick viral moment. And we gotta go. The great things in life, everybody knows, are the things that you actually put actual intention, time, effort and energy into. For sure. Yeah. Now, let's talk about this we outside this tour. Yeah, we Outside talk about this tour. 17 cities, so myself, transformation worship, which is a collective of artists from our church in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Shout out to Transformation Nation and Ty Tribit, kiara Shear, Jonathan McReynolds. I mean, when I tell you the level of singing, the level of anointing, the level of just church, that happens every night. We just finished our first week, and y', all, it's crazy. It's absolutely nuts. If you want to see what heaven's gonna look like before you get there, you gotta pull up to the We Outside tour. We're actually gonna be here in Brooklyn on, I believe, the 16th. The 16th will be at the Paramount Theater. And I'm telling you, tickets are going crazy, people are enjoying, and it's just A night of encouragement. Kingdom, people coming together and we want everybody to come out. It's beautiful. Absolutely. This is what people need, man. How did the different acts come together? How was Ty Tribut chosen? How were you chosen? How was Kikisha? So this, this is Ty Tribut's tour. Okay, so Tyler hit me up. 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First time being on tour with this team and usually I'm preaching places and traveling, all the other stuff, but it's been really fun, man, to just get up there and praise the God that transformed my life and, and bring other people along with me. And so if you want to turn up, you gotta come out. All y' all are invited personally. Y and you saying for sure, Jess, but I'm telling you, on the 16th, I'mma have a seat with your name on it. I' the one that's going calm, okay? Like I'm the only one. They don't go out nowhere. Bring your six kids, Envy. That's not true. I got six. I can go. I got six seats. I got you. I'll pay for them, cuz that's seven. That's actually eight because he got a wife. Okay, so that's eight. It's on me. If everybody wants to come, I will make sure you are there. Taken care of. I want people to experience this because a lot of times people actually don't think you can have fun. You can actually have excitement, you can actually have joy in that type of context. But I'm telling you, as soon as you come up, as soon as you come in, it's a whole different level now. We're doing it at the Paramount here in Brooklyn. Drinks? Yeah, the last place that we did. Now watch this, watch this, watch this. This is a live nation thing. Charlemagne's messy, but this is a live nation thing. At least one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a live nation thing. And this is the thing that I need everybody to know. Some of these venues have Contracts that they have to sell alcohol and do all these different things. And so at our last spot in Atlanta, I think they. They had drinks and everything. And the people who participated. Participated and who didn't. Didn't. Temptation is going to be everywhere. Yeah. So if you got to say hallelujah with the drink in your hand, God bless you. But that's not what we're promoting. We. But we're not saying for anybody to not come, because that's something that you do. Question. When Jesus did turn the water to wine, what happened to the wine? I never. Nobody ever talked about that part. They drunk it. What are you talking about? Nobody ever talks about. Yeah, I think they probably. I think it was swimming it. I think it was gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to ask you, pastor, you're one of the few pastors who really speak the language of culture. Right. Where's the line between relevance and reverence for you? Yeah. So the line is that the conviction. I. I really have a relationship with God where he will correct me and convict me. And I have a relationship with people who have the sit down and shut up card in my life. And most people, when they get to certain levels, nobody can tell them nothing. But I have a wife. Shout out to my wife, Natalie, who is the greatest gift that God ever gave me. I met my wife when I was 15 years old, and we've been together for 23 years. Married 15, four kids later. And she's the only woman that sees me fully. And when I say fully, she sees my insecurities. She sees my fault, she sees my lack, she sees my successes. And God gave her. Me to me to be a mirror. She don't care about none of this. She don't care about anything. She cares that I am a man of God and I do what I say. And so first off, if I'm coming home, laying next to that every night, that's a line. Hey, Mike, that was too far. For real. Hey, you shouldn't have said that. Oh, dang. I thought that, like. So I have people like that in my life, and that's just. She's the main one, but I have several others. And so I approach everything with reverence. I think that sometimes people get confused, though, the way people present something with being irreverent just because it's different. And one of the things that I know for me is, like, I would be this way if I was an Amazon truck driver. I would like clothes. I would listen to music. I would do different. And God doesn't bless who you pretend to be. Be. That's right. He blesses who you really are. Yes. And so for me, it's like God's changed me every part of my life throughout this journey and he's continuing to change me. That's why I lead a church called Transformation Church. I will not be the same this time next year. Something in me will have changed. And prayerfully, something in you would have changed. And that's why a lot of time we take snapshots of people in their life and we keep them there, there. But please make sure you running a movie on me because I'm going to keep changing you. You. I mean, three years ago I was 275 pounds. Stop lying. I am not playing with you, Jeff. I'll give you pull up a picture of me. £275. I was hiding it in them 3x4x supreme. I was. I was fly. You couldn't tell. But then God convicted me. He said, how you gonna tell these people to live right? And you are going to commit sin every day with your fork gluttony. Nobody talks about it. Nobody talks about thing about the donuts. That was you. That was me. Because the truth of the matter is I was sinning. Not with a woman. I was sinning with a donut. And every. Hey, listen, I'm telling you, I'm telling you people craziest man. I get what you say. Hey, laughing about again. It's funny. But the truth of the matter is people are out here judging other people for lying and committing adultery and they doing it all while committing sin like food was meant for. For us to be nourished to fulfill God's plan not to become something. To give us peace when we need to go to him for peace. Yeah. And so again that conviction came to me and God was like, I don't want you to say nothing until you get your life in order. And so I turned my garage into a gym. I hired a personal trainer. Me and my wife work out every day together and I've lost 60 pounds. My wife finer than she ever been in her whole life. God, I thank you. And what I'm saying is. But it came because I got convicted. And again, we all miss the mark. Everybody misses the mark and falls short of the glory of God. But we all got to keep trying to lying. You know what? Yes, I was 275. That's okay. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, but. Yeah. And I'm not like. Like it was under there big enough. It was under there. It was under there. He not big as. But he big enough. Hey, God doesn't bless who you pretend to be. He blesses who you really are. I do not cuss, though. But I. But I. He does it. He don't smoke, he don't drink. So where you going? Over there, beautiful. Hey, listen, don't judge her. Listen, you can cuss around me. Thank you. You're still. You shouldn't. Why? I'm gonna tell your mama. Why? What would your mama say? This is religion. Same thing you said, but. Oh, speak on that. This is religion. What's happening right now is religion. Religion says that I. I'm doing something because of who's around. I'm doing something because of how it makes me look. I'm doing something because of how I want you to view me. If that's not who you really are, it can never change. And so for me, I tell people all the time, if you cuss, cuss around me, something in me, though my prayer is we spend enough time together would allow you to see that that's not the type of language that you have to use to get your point across, right? But if that's what you choose, I would still rather be connected to you and have access to you and love you and be able to be an answer to your problems, then to be disconnected because you cuss right now. I draw the line at coke, at coke and coke. I don't do none of that. I'm saying, don't do that around me. Some stuff you can't do around me. I mean, there are tons of things you can't do around me just for the reasons of what I'm trying to live. But the truth of the matter is, sometimes we use those things and we act like that's a God thing and it's actually your personal thing that's real. Like, stop putting everything on and say, like, I don't like when you cuss around me. Like, hey, but certain things of respect, though, like, you ain't gonna cuss around your mama. You are certainly respectful. Some people do, depending on who your mama is. And what I'm saying is, if you don't do it around your mama, but you do it around everybody else, you're a faker. And what happens, that could be a respecting cause you, of course, represent. What I'm saying is you're disintegrated. You are learning and practicing being different people. And there are too many people. Why depression is on high, why people are dealing with anxiety because they forget who they have to show up as. So every room I walk into, I show up as myself. I don't have to change. I live a whole life. Most people, depending on who walks in, the bishop walks in, the CEO walks in. Oh, a celebrity walks in, they are trying to figure out who do I need to be right now. So if you curse in front of your friends, you should curse in front of your mama or you a faker. Yes. Well, this is the thing that sounds good. This is the thing with my. But yes. So that's. You know what I'm saying? You better fake her. Say it. So the truth of the matter is because there's a reason why she doesn't want you to talk like that. And you're choosing to go beyond that. Cause I'm gonna live my own life. It's your own personal convictions. I'm just saying that I'd rather you be the same way so that God could actually change you instead of him having to find which version of you you gonna be today. Is it conditioning or conviction? And what I mean by that is, as Jess said, we're all conditioned to not talk like that in front of our parents. Parents for the most part. Is it conditioning or conviction? Like cuz I don't cross in front of my mom just cuz I know she ain't going for it right again. I think it could actually be the. It's conditioning like you know that for especially in a black household, like there are certain things you don't do here. But wait till y' all kids start doing it. Do you let your kids cuss in front of you? God damn. I mean, oh my God, not you. What'd you say? No, no, I don't. Do you let your kids cuss in front of you? Hell no. Do you let your kids cuss in front of you? No. But I have asked my 17 year old, when she was younger, 16, I said, do you curse? And she was like, yes. So all of you, can I just be as your brother? Yes. You're living in a state of delusion. Watch, watch, watch. Because you literally are doing the same thing your parents did to you. You've been conditioned and you know your kids are doing the same thing you're doing. But for respect purposes, you would rather not teach them how to have a stronger vocabulary or teach them a reason why they cuss or do it. You would rather it just be a secret from you and just don't do it around me. But then you could go on online and see them cussing out People and. And listen, all of y' all are like, it's a respect thing. And it's like, all we're doing is keeping the cycle going. We're not changing language, we're not increasing vocabulary. We're not giving reasons or even understanding reasons why they're doing it. All we're doing is creating a barrier for them to be inauthentic around us. Us. And so most parents are not the people their kids go to when they're in need because there's all of these micro fake things that we put up around ourselves. So when I'm really struggling, I'm not coming to you because I can't be real, cuz I'm pissed that these people did this. And I need to cuss to whoever I'm talking to right now. And I can't cuss to my parents because it's disrespectful. So I got hurt and I'm pissed and I'm mad and I can't do this. And we condition them to do that. So all I'm saying to you is, is like, it's delusional. She might curse around her mom. I don't know. But I'm. I'm just saying. I'm saying these are the cycles. Yeah. Mine, though, they ask permission if it's something where they're like, permission to curse and then they. They curse. Yeah, but it's a form of respect in my point. Just like my kids don't say bruh to me. My son is not gonna be like, bruh. Right. He say that to his friends. Yeah, you gotta check that. That's their dialect. But because he doesn't call me bruh and calls his friend bruh, that don't mean he's being fake. That just. No, no, no. Respect. The same way when I speak to my dad or I speak to somebody older, I say, yes, sir, yes, ma'. Am. But I don't call Jess ma'. Am. Right. Okay. So it's a different level of respect. So let me ask this question not to say that you're a fake person. What I'm saying is I think that again, these are the conversations that we have to have in culture that we are creating what we hate. Like, these are the type of things that. That I wish when I was struggling with certain things, I felt comfortable enough to go to my parents. And it's all of these small. I mean, I'm getting schooled by people who don't know nothing and don't love me. Because if I do tell My parents, what's really going on. I'mma get my tail whooped. And it's a form of. And again, I don't know if the black community is ready to have these conversations, because a lot of times, like, we perpetuate what actually causes the trauma in our families. And I'm just saying that if your kids cuss and it's a respect thing, you know, they cussing at somebody else's mama sometimes, they might not cuss to you, and you're saying that, but that police officer that told them something and they didn't like, you get the F off me. And da, da, da. That's somebody else's mama. I'm just saying we are conditioning our people, and I would rather know where my kids are and having those conversations. And again, this is deeper because it comes down to how you want to raise your own family. So I'm not. Do you understand what I'm saying? But I do think that it came from you cussing in front of me and a lot of people. Those are the things that we do that are religious. Like, we say that's bad, but then cussing at our wife is not, Not. Yeah. What? Hold like, whoa, wait a minute. You cussed in front of me? Not even at me, but you will cuss. The person who loves you, picks up your stanky draws and has forgiven you six times, you cuss them out in front of your kids. I do. I, I, I, I don't disagree with you, but I feel like we're kind of conflating two issues. And what I mean by that is when my kids, when my daughter should be. Be 18 next year, she curs in front of me. I don't, I don't care. At that point, you're just talking about in the season that you're raising her. Absolutely. I get it. And I also think that. Dang, I think I lost mother point. Oh, I did lose mother point. It's all right. But that, that is in the season that you're. I do believe the Bible says train a child in the way they should go so when they get old, they won't depart from it. It's not just what you say, though. It is what you do. You're training them both ways. So if you're teaching your children or teaching anybody, hey, you can do this. Just don't do it around me. Is that really what we're trying to teach them? You know what I'm saying? I'm just teaching them that everything. There's a season for everything. You turn 18. You an adult now. You can have that conversation. The other thing I was gonna say is I don't think. Oh, that's. That was what I was talking about. I don't think cursing is a barrier that keeps children from wanting to be open with you. I think that you just want to establish a level of trust to where they feel like they can talk to you about anything. I don't think them having to curse keeps that. I think the way that some parents act when their kids say things they hear their parents say does create barriers. I'm gonna just leave it at that. I counsel and work with a lot of people that do not have healthy relationships with their parents. If you act like this over a curse word, imagine how you act if I tell you, I'm having sex or I'm a lesbian or I tried these drugs or Over. Over. Damn. I get it. No, I'm not talking to you. Yeah. And so I'm. I'm just saying from the other side of helping a lot of people's kids who are adults that are 33 and 35 and 42 and at grave sites, forgiving their parents because of how they didn't have interaction with them. I'm just saying, like, I would. Yeah. I would do it a little different. Yeah. I want to ask you. Mike passed to Todd about this. They said, Pastor Michael Todd slammed for distracting outfit during sermon on faith. And they said you had on what was considered feminine preaching attire. You had a dress on. You don't have no dress on. I was gonna ask. When clips of your sermons go viral, sometimes, I guess, for the wrong reasons. How do you handle being misinterpreted? What's feminine about this? You tell me, bro. It's black slacks, wide leg. That's in trend. It's a black shirt, and it's a cropped leather top. Yeah. And it's. And it's got Chelsea boots on that are yellow. So the truth. They didn't know you had that shape. They used to do 275. And the thing is, nobody said anything to me when my belly was literally folding over my belt. I was more holy then. Like, But. But. But. Because I got fit and healthy, and I can wear a larger medium now. It's feminine. Yeah. It's the culture we live in. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, the truth of the matter is, to play ball at this level, there's going to be opinions and pressure. How do you take people serious with that? They forget your word, but they look at you. That's what I was thinking. I'm like, well, dad, the first thing I thought was like, I want to go hear what you're about. Talking. Talking about. Yeah, bro, that's literally. I'm like, I want to go hear the word. And, and again, that's part of the reason why I have critics. And anybody that decides to do anything other than stay in the house will have critics. And it's part of the process that God allows me to endure to be more like him. I. I pray for all those people. Yeah. Now that's the hard part. The hard part is seeing Christman666 say something about me and, and having to be like God. I thank you, Father. Whatever made him post that comment or say that, I thank you. That you would heal his heart and give him the ability to have grace and capacity for other people. Like, that's hard, but that's what the Bible tells us to do. That's like, love your enemy. Pray for them. Pray for those who despitefully use you. These people don't know me. And the truth of the matter, the reason I wore that is because my wife told me she liked it. Yeah. Like, literally that morning, my wife was like, I like that one. It was between this one and this one. And she's like, I like that one. So the crazy thing is, like, those are just things to distract you. Right? And for me, I have to stay focused and I have too much to do in this world and to be put off by that. Is it wrong to be inspired by, you know, the word of another preacher? Because a lot of people, right, they think if they go to church and they hear one, one person say this and preach their sermon this way or whatever, whatever, and then they go and they see somebody else say it, then it's stealing. No, you know what I'm saying? Like bars and a rap song. You know, if that's the. If that's the case, then we stealing from Paul, John, we're stealing from David. We're still. No. The gospel is meant to be shared. And the only reason that people try to corner the market on something is because they're insecure that they'll ever get anything else. The truth of the matter is that protection of, like, I said it like this, I said it like that. Like, if the whole goal is that the gospel of Jesus Christ be proclaimed so that everybody would know about him. If you don't know how to talk a certain way, please use my words and tell them. If that helped you help them with it. Like, this is the kingdom of God. And again, because the kingdom in a lot of areas has been turned into an organization instead of an organism. Like, then people are like, now it's my. You know, my property and my this. And I said it like this. And it's like, yo, I tell young preachers all the time, take my stuff. Yeah. Preach it exactly how I preached it. We had people do it all the time. I send people my notes, like, yeah, what are you talking about? Like, this is the inspired word of God. Like, there are certain lines, like, if I put it in a book and say it a certain way, and the company I'm partnering with has a contract that it has to be said. You can't take that. But, like, my messages and, like, how I said it, like, just. My only thing is, do it better. Yeah. Now would you like them to credit you? At least I got this, right? Yeah, that would be awesome. But I mean, how many of us wear clothes that was inspired by somebody you saw on Instagram and we don't credit them? It's like, oh, that fit is crazy. I'm a. And so, yeah, like, everybody wants to be recognized. Everybody wants credit. But for me, I know it's gonna happen because of the level that God has raised my platform to. For whatever reason that somebody's gonna take that stuff. And my prayer is that it helps them the way it helped you. Yeah. I saw them accuse you of taking some. Some passage, sermon, word for word. I didn't listen to it, but I'm like, it's the word. It's the word, bro. And if somebody's breaking something down in a way that makes me understand, like, y' all just said, a lot of this stuff is confusing. A lot of this stuff is we gotta figure it out. So if somebody gets a revelation or gets understanding or it's like, oh, it's like, yes, copy paste. Like, tell some other people. And this is the other thing that everybody has to remember. How you say it will be different because you have different oil than them. Like, there's a different thing on your life than what they have on their life. I think I heard Sarah Jake say it a couple days ago that. That, like, you can take the recipe, you can take. You can take the plans, but when we do it, because that oil difference, it's different process. I went through different sermon. And so. And so that's. Oh, she is a beast. Her and Torre are doing an amazing job in Dallas. And again, it's Kingdom. So I. I went to their installation service. I didn't Preach at my church and went there because people need to see. This is not about one thing, this is about the kingdom of God. And so yeah, man, I, I for everybody. Psa. If you hear Pastor Mike preach something or something and you feel like it could help your Bible study or your youth group or your big church or little church, you can use that, man, Help people get to Jesus. There you go. Absolutely. I got one more question. I think, I think that sermon by Sarah Jake was called get out of your way. I think that's what it was. That was last week. Get out of your way. But what's one area in your life where God is still stretching you? Jesus still stretching me? Yeah. What area is he not stretching me? Man? I think the, the one thing that you got to realize about this walk with Christ is it's never over until we get to heaven. And a lot of people are looking for a season where it doesn't feel like growth. Cuz growth actually is hard. Like it's readjusting. It's all those. So I would say an area that God's still stretching me in is the area of communication with the people I love. Like I know how to communicate really well to masses of people, but the nuance of communicating in the languages that the people I love need. Specifically my wife. Me and my wife, we believe in theology and therapy, so we go to therapy and we do intensives every year. This year we've done two already. And December 8th, I'll be back again. And these are like four, five days straight, three hours a day therapy. And because we gotta figure out how we work and then figure out how to change the things that don't work. And I can realize and admit that some of my conversations with my wife and people that are around me could have more compassion and have more empathy in them and, and that's an area that God's stretching me. Like he's saying, yeah, you said it, but you could be more skillful. And for me that's such a dig for even me. I live transparent. So I'm saying it out loud and y' all can tell it's real because for somebody who communicates all the time and has a pretty high success rate of getting my points across, it's like I have to take more time to think about how I'm saying something, not just what I want you to hear me say. And I'm trying to figure that out for my whole bro. And I can tell you not lying because you sweating right on your nose. You hear me? Like it's real for me. And the reason that I'm so honest about it is because, again, God doesn't bless who you pretend to be. He blesses who you really are. And so my goal is to become more skillful at communicating my heart and not just getting it said, but thinking about how the people I love feel on the other side of what I say. Because the truth of the matter is what I say is temporary. How it makes you feel lasts a lot longer. And I need to make sure that I'm not. I'm not damaging the most precious thing in my life. Yeah. And so. Yeah, that's Nat. I love you. All right. Pastor Mike Todd. Man, we outside, y'. All. Hey, man, you gotta close this out with a. You had a book that dropped in February, too. Oh, man. Yo, I got a movie. No, no. Y' all missing everything. Y' all late. Let me tell y' all what about to happen. That's right. Catch us up. Let me catch you up. We got a brand new movie about to come out called Relationship Goals, the movie with Amazon starring Kelly Rowland and Method Man. Okay. It's based off my book that I came up here and met y'. All. Yeah, bro, we just finished it. It's coming out February 4th. I'm coming back to do a whole thing with that. But they just announced the. The release date. I couldn't talk about it until now, and so. But I wrote a. Thankfully, a New York Times bestselling book called Relationship how to Win at Marriage, Dating, and Sex. I wrote that in 2020. That same year, Devon Franklin called me and was like, have you ever thought about this being a movie? I said, you know, I'm a man of crazy faith. I had already written it out. I had already. Before he called me the characters, the names, the everything. And it's so crazy. It's happening. Amazon paid me to do the movie Dope. And it comes out on February 4th, right before Valentine's. It's gonna be solid. Congratulations. Thank you so much, man. And so that's happening. We outside tour. And then Transformation Worship just dropped a new album called Faith in the Fire. It's on all streaming platforms. It's got some really good music on it. And so I want you to go check that out. And so, yeah, we. We outside. So God didn't lay it on your heart to let me audition you. You could actually be in Relationship Goals, too. Thank you. Okay. All right. So you heard it here first. I think you make sure all your stars are back baptized before all the stars Weren't baptized on this one. So, you know. Hey, listen, man. It's progression, not perfect. We need to hang out, Jess. Yeah. Cause we gotta. You gotta meet my wife. We gotta. Yeah, we gotta. Absolutely. Then you can be my husband. Because, you know, he is a crazy man of faith, too. I mean, a crazy faith, too. I got you. So. Yeah, let's do it. Love that. He's Mexican, Mike. Like, he not right, but he more. He's more black than Mexican. Half. He's half and half. You can't just say he's half. But he'll speak Spanish, so he more black. Okay. He don't know Spanish. He says he don't. All right. We praying. Father, I thank you for this day. I thank you for the opportunity to share with my brothers and sister. I thank you for all the things that you're doing in each of our lives and all the lives of the listeners today. God, I thank you that we all go on a journey of progression. Faith is something that we actually know is real, but it's something we all have to discover. And so I thank you that you would allow everybody that's in this room and that's listening to have an experience with you that would be undeniable. I thank you, Father, as people are getting furloughed right now and going through situations that are literally unimaginable in America. I thank you, Father God, that you would be peace that passes their understanding. Make ways out of no way way. Do things that no man could do. Father God, with man, it's impossible with. But with God, it is possible today. Father God, I'm thanking you that all things are working together for the good of those who are called and that love you. And Father, if somebody does not know you, if somebody has been far from you, Father, thank you that your love, even through this interview, is drawing them back home. I thank you for transformation happening in people's lives. And I thank you that people would get to know the way, the truth and the life. Jesus. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen. It's love, man. Yes, absolutely. Thank you. Every time. All right. Appreciate y', all, man. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Every day I wake up. 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