INTERVIEW: Ray J On Being Painted As A Villain Amid Kardashian Drama, Mario Verzuz, New Relationship

Summary

The Breakfast Club: Ray J on Kardashian Drama, Mario Verzuz, and Family ([November 19, 2025])

Episode Overview

This episode of The Breakfast Club welcomes Ray J for a frank, heartfelt, and often tense conversation, spanning from his role in pop culture and ongoing legal entanglements with the Kardashians, to his mental health, business ventures, and dynamic family ties. Hosts DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha God, and Angela Yee (with guest appearances by Ray J’s niece "Rah Rah" and friend Sheila) challenge and support Ray J in a discussion about the burden of public perception, the realities of viral fame, relationship drama, and generational legacy.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Being “the Villain”: Ray J’s Public Perception and Personal Struggles

• Ray J addresses feeling painted as the “bad guy” due largely to his history with the Kardashian sex tape, and how social media perpetuates this narrative.
  • "You just turn into the bad guy." (10:07, Ray J)
• He discusses how streaming and sharing his life online is both therapeutic and risky, as moments intended for entertainment often spiral into controversy.
  • Ray J credits streamers like Kai Cenat for reshaping creator-audience dynamics (07:06).
• Ray J emphasizes his wish for his family—especially his niece, daughter, and son—to be proud of him, expressing that as he grows, he's striving for better balance and accountability.
  • "We can't crash out in 2026." (09:04, Ray J)
• Mental health is a recurring concern. Ray J is candid about emotional struggles and seeking help from professionals.
  • "Mental health is serious. And shout out to Dr. Cheyenne Bryant." (08:40, Ray J)

2. Leaning Into—or Away From—Controversy

• The hosts probe whether Ray J benefits from “crashing out” or whether the antics are damaging in the long run.
• Ray J admits viral drama works for impressions and business metrics ("It does work for impressions..." (12:49)) but feels support systems are minimal.
• "Crashing out works. So how do you balance that?" (12:02, Ray J)
• Despite success with Raycon and tech deals, Ray J ponders when “enough is enough” regarding online persona versus real life.

3. Verzuz, Musical Legacy, and Relationships with Other Artists

• There’s playful but pointed banter around previous public spats, especially regarding Mario and the Verzuz battle.
  • Ray J apologizes for prior comments about Mario and Wale, admits to past mistakes (14:13–14:29).
  • He explains a recent incident backstage with Mario, wanting an impromptu battle but being redirected by security, reflecting on whether he needs to let go of his anger (16:42–18:34).
• Discussion shifts to Ray J's musical catalogue and self-awareness about his strengths in a potential Verzuz match.
  • "I think that in a Versus live right now, Mario would crush me." (21:15, Ray J)
  • Ray J and his niece Rah Rah share the stage, highlighting his desire to focus on family and positivity.

4. Family, Redemption, and the Pressure of Legacy

• Ray J becomes emotional discussing reconnecting with his sister Brandy, the influence of their mother, and wanting to behave better for the sake of family (21:21–22:15).
• "Every time I get around B and my mom and Sara, I just get real emotional, man." (21:21, Ray J)
• Rah Rah reflects on coming up under Brandy and Ray J, balancing privilege with hard work (73:40–75:54).

5. Romantic Life & Reality TV: Love Cabin and Relationships

• Ray J’s current relationship status is discussed, featuring friend and “Love Cabin” co-star Sheila, who shares her perspective as a close friend and (at times) emotional support (28:08–31:09).
• The complications of public romance and love triangles are played for humor and drama, with Ray J coy about exclusivity and the lines between friendship, showmance, and real relationships.
• "As the host... is a different host. He's a dirtier host than most, but he's very curious and he invites himself into the competition." (33:07, Ray J)

6. Kardashian Sex Tape, Legal Battles, and the Search for Truth

• The most intense and somber segment: Ray J opens up about the ongoing impact of the sex tape scandal, legal threats, and his desire for the “real” story to be known, specifically for the sake of his children (39:45–67:10).
  • "If I was to die today, I think there’s a lot of things that would be misunderstood about my story..." (37:54, Ray J)
• Ray J challenges the hosts and “the culture” to demand real answers from the Kardashian side about how the tape was marketed and released, hinting at deeper truths while refraining from specifics due to legal constraints.
  • "Ask the questions. Demand the answers. And if they don't come back, it's a red flag." (57:00, Ray J)
• The pain and frustration are palpable. Ray J expresses concern for his children’s future perceptions (“I just don't want to disappoint them, bro.” (67:02)).
• Sensitivity to issues of race, reputational inequity in the industry, and feeling unsupported by his community are explored.
  • "If you wasn't black, Ray... you wouldn’t have got those [same perceptions]." (51:31, DJ Envy)

7. Mental Health, Suicidal Thoughts & the Importance of Family Support

• The conversation grows notably emotional as Ray J discusses suicidal ideation tied to public shaming and being misunderstood, repeating his primary drive is his love for his children (65:35–67:21).
  • "I’d rather die for the truth..." (67:21)
• The hosts and Rah Rah rally with words of support and group hugs, emphasizing the Breakfast Club’s underlying care for Ray J as a person, not just a tabloid figure.

8. A Brighter Note: Rah Rah’s Music, Nepotism, and Hard Work

• In the closing segment, Rah Rah discusses her artistic journey, balancing family legacy with individual hard work: “Being in this family... I can be a Nepo baby to the day I die.” (74:37)
• She celebrates recent achievements—business degree, debut film, and music—conveying gratitude and a determination to prove herself.
• The segment closes with the family’s expressed love and mutual support.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Ray J on Public Perception & Mental Health: 05:07 – 12:36
• Streaming Culture & Therapy: 07:06 – 09:02
• Verzuz, Mario Drama, and Career Reflection: 14:13 – 22:50
• Kardashian Sex Tape, Truth and Legal Issues: 37:45 – 67:10
• Emotional Climax: Suicidal Thoughts & Love for Children: 65:35 – 67:21
• Rah Rah and Legacy/Hard Work: 73:40 – 75:54

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Leaning Into the “Villain” Role:
  "You just turn into the bad guy."
  — Ray J, (10:07)

• On Being Unapologetically Real:
  "It's easy to know it when you just watch it... For me, it's not like that. And I think that I have to hold myself responsible to hold some of this stuff in as we grow."
  — Ray J, (09:04)

• On Wanting the Truth Out:
  "If I was to die today, I think there’s a lot of things that would be misunderstood about my story... Before it's done, I just feel like there's a few things that I need to make sure we have understood."
  — Ray J, (37:54)

• On the Harshness of Legacy:
  "Once I say I'm done and I'm on another level... If that's not complete, then I'ma stay turned up until everything is complete."
  — Ray J, (48:09)

• On the Emotional Toll:
  "I just don't want to disappoint them, bro."
  — Ray J, (67:02)

• On Nepo-Baby Privilege (Rah Rah):
  "I can be a Nepo baby to the day I die."
  — Rah Rah, (74:37)

• On The Need for Support/Action:
  "Ask the questions. Demand the answers. And if they don't come back, it's a red flag."
  — Ray J, (57:00)

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Tone & Style

Throughout, the tone ranged from playful (amicable roasting between Ray J and the hosts), to vulnerable and raw (discussions of family, shame, and suicide). There were tense pauses over legal minefields, heartfelt moments of unity and support, and lighter family banter and reminiscence to close the episode.

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Final Takeaways

• Ray J is actively seeking redemption and understanding, both from his circle and the wider public. His narrative is in flux, weighted by past choices and ongoing legal battles, but propelled by a desire for truth for the sake of his children and family.
• The Breakfast Club, while challenging Ray J and keeping the interview honest, ultimately frames him as a complicated, relatable figure—a man struggling for peace in a world that continuously profits on his pain and persona.
• The importance of supportive relationships in the face of viral vilification is underscored—whether it’s through heart-to-hearts with friends, therapy, or the grounding presence of family like Rah Rah.
• Despite the chaos, Ray J and his family express resilience, humor, and ambition, with hope for brighter, more honest days ahead.

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For listeners who missed the episode, this summary captures the emotional highs and lows, Ray J’s core concerns, ongoing public issues, and a strong sense of how the interview unfolded in the authentic voices of those present.

Transcript

[Angela Yee]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Ray J]

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[Ray J]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Angela Yee]

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[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

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[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

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[Ray J]

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[Ray J]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hold up.

[Ray J]

Every day I wake up.

[DJ Envy]

Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club. We are finished or y' all duck. Morning, everybody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lorna Rosa is here. We got a special guest in the building.

[DJ Envy]

Somebody said you're not live no more. Right?

[Ray J]

I'm not live?

[DJ Envy]

No, you gotta be live.

[Ray J]

We gotta be live.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, my God. Hear him say I'm not live reminded me of.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We're not live. Are we live? Are we live?

[DJ Envy]

You always gotta show them that. Are we live?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Are we live?

[Ray J]

Let's go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Are we live? Ladies and gentlemen, Ray J5.

[DJ Envy]

Ray, does she look like your sister.

[Angela Yee]

I've been seeing for years?

[DJ Envy]

Please, come on, man.

[Ray J]

It's officially said it. And I think that, you know, the short hair still makes it even more recognizing.

[DJ Envy]

Well, you know, we call her Brandica.

[Ray J]

I love that.

[DJ Envy]

Cuz she got the short hair.

[Angela Yee]

I've been telling them I need to do. When she do the series, come get me. I don't know what age I could play. I'm a little older now, but I.

[Ray J]

Think you can play the young Brandi.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But welcome, Ray. How are you feeling?

[Ray J]

How you feeling, brother? You good? I'm feeling good.

[DJ Envy]

You got a lot going on.

[Ray J]

A lot going on. Yeah, I want to. I want to make it really. I'm happy that this is my platform now. Thank you for giving me the opportunity.

[DJ Envy]

Yes.

[Ray J]

To. To. To go into the holidays in the Q4 correctly. Okay. With respect and honor and love.

[DJ Envy]

Well, let's start with the legal stuff, but.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Legal stuff.

[Ray J]

Well, I thought y' all didn't want to. I thought that we couldn't.

[DJ Envy]

Why can't we?

[Ray J]

Oh, no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, you mean. Yeah, I was gonna say, first and foremost, I just want to tell. You know, people don't know that, but we really love you, Ray. Like for For. For new listeners. Ray was our first guest ever on the Breakfast.

[Ray J]

Yes, I was. Before I went crazy on the rant.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right before the rant. I was the first guest guest on the Breakfast ever.

[Ray J]

Yes, I was the first guest ever.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

That's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He was the first viral moment also on the Breakfast Club as well.

[Ray J]

Yeah, yeah. So we got. We.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We love Ray. We talk about Ray all the time and good or bad, we just know what we love.

[Ray J]

Thank you. I would rather you guys always talk good about me, but it's okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But the bad is on you.

[Angela Yee]

But yeah, and the bad also some.

[Ray J]

Of my friends, you guys are my friends. And plus we're all entertainers and you guys have to do what you have to do. Charlamagne knows sometimes I get a little emotional all the time.

[DJ Envy]

Me and Ray had a good heart to heart earlier this year.

[Ray J]

Yeah. And so sometimes because I get emotional, you know, and I'm not a terrible person, but I do sometimes. But because, I mean, we're all in our zone. I'm a journalist as well and so I just feel a little bit like this is my personal people. But you guys have to keep it neutral, you know, throughout, you know, the day because that's the way you supposed to be. So it can be one sided because that's not what journalism is about.

[DJ Envy]

I appreciated the phone call though, because I'm like, you know, there's not people that's gonna be honest and that's the way Ray was feeling.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But he was on My Live first he was like, charlamagne's a piece of Ishi. I hate Charlamagne. I was like, call him.

[DJ Envy]

No, I think this was after that.

[Ray J]

He said, call him. And then so we talked, even we went. I called Charlamagne a lot and there's just times when I feel like, you know, and this is not. I'm not being neutral, but I feel like sometimes y' all can have my back or, you know, in certain instances what I'm going through. Just give it a little more seriousness on my side.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But we do, we protect Ray a lot.

[DJ Envy]

But Ray J got a comedian energy to where you don't know when he being serious or not.

[Angela Yee]

That's how I was the first time we spoke.

[Ray J]

And I am.

[Angela Yee]

It's a serious conversation. But I didn't know. Yeah, when you're being serious. And sometimes I laughed and I put on mute because I didn't want you to feel away. But yeah, you're just laughing because he's funny naturally. But he, he's really serious. And everything's like so heartfelt, so you don't want to laugh.

[Ray J]

But yeah, a lot of people try to hold it in. But I'm serious. I'm serious. Everything that I've been going through has been up and down. And everybody has their up and down days. And I think with the streaming world and shout out to Kai Sonat for kind of like opening up his doors to.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Ray J]

Because he really, like, put us really on in the stream in a different way. And from there, when you're on your streams and you're streaming 24 hours, it's like therapy.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Ray J]

So you go through these therapy sessions with your chat because nothing's bigger than the chat. And then you. I don't. I don't know. Every time it's gonna go this viral when I be saying certain things. So then I watch it the next day and I'm like, oh, man, I gotta stand on that.

[DJ Envy]

But people, I'll tell you what I love, too. I love seeing you on stage with your sister and I love seeing your niece with you. I love when I see your real around you. That's when you look your whole, your whole, your whole.

[Ray J]

And I was so excited when I found out we were coming up here together. I'm like, von, this is everything. Because again, I do want to turn the tides and I do want to, you know, showcase a different side of me because I think we. We've been crashing out to the left too much. And again, everything's entertainment. But, you know, you just want to make sure you kind of like guarantee to everybody that this isn't a liability situation. Or every time I'm in the airport and they like, we praying for you, Ray.

[DJ Envy]

God bless you, man.

[Ray J]

I hope everything's okay. I'm like, dang.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause people don't know when you're crashing out, crashing out, or if you're just entertaining.

[Ray J]

So it's been a lot of. We praying for you, man. God bless you, man. Hope you're gonna be all right.

[DJ Envy]

Cause people think you on drugs. They think you got mental health issues, which we all deal with our own mental health issues at times.

[Ray J]

Yeah. Mental health is serious. And shout out to Dr. Cheyenne Bryant.

[DJ Envy]

Yes.

[Ray J]

Yeah, she's. I mean, we talk a lot and off camera and it's always off camera. But she helps me through certain things. And Dr. Scott, too, out of Cleveland. Pastor Scott helps me through some of. Some of the issues that I'll be going through too. And it helps me, man.

[DJ Envy]

What have you learned? What have you learned about yourself?

[Ray J]

Well, you know, every day when I. You got to watch yourself. It's easy to know it when you just watch it. And I think without adding in the trolling, you know, it's. It's just me just keeping it real. And a lot of times, people can't, I think, keep it this real because there's a lot of different situations that might be in front of them. The job, their workspace, their partners, the people that. Around them that might feel away, that's paying, you know, the bills, whatever it is. You know, there's a lot of things that people go through that keep them away from being this extremely blunt. But for me, it's not like that. And I think that I have to hold myself responsible to hold some of this stuff in as we grow. And as I grow, I'm getting older, and I want my niece to be proud of me, and I want the team to be proud of me, and we can't. We can't crash out in 2026. So.

[DJ Envy]

So when the public paints you as the bad guy for years, what does that do to you mentally? How do you protect your peace, man?

[Ray J]

You just turn into the bad guy.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, okay. Lean into your shadow side.

[Ray J]

Well, you. Well, you not only lean into it, because I think that's the only thing that I think makes sense. You know, it's almost like, you know, if you're doing something that's extremely believable, then it works. But if you're doing something that's not, and it might be really who you really are, people don't understand it. And so sometimes it takes a toll to try to, like, hey, I'm gonna be positive for 2026, right? Ray J is gonna turn the new leaf. He's gonna be a good person, but that's who I am internally, no matter what. So when the character comes out, if it gets over the top and it's. The impressions are up, you know, the Prof. The profits are up, you know what I mean? The numbers are up, then it makes sense, but. But then on the other side, you know, there's a negative side to that, too, with whatever comments people are putting in. I don't read any comments or nothing, but overall, just. I really want my family to be proud of me, and they want me to show a different side of myself, you know what I mean? That I don't really show. And so I'm up for it, and I want to do it for 2026.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause Ray J. Sober now, Last time you were up here, you was playing with the little Lean. But you look thinner. You look clearer. So I'm assuming not anymore with the lean.

[Ray J]

Yes. Yeah. No, not the lean. Certain things are bad. Are bad. And I think you don't even know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Last time you was up here, you know, me and Charlamagne dumped it out and act like it was really there. It wasn't there.

[Ray J]

And that's what. That's where. That's what I'm saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like we dumped it out.

[Ray J]

That's okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't think we love each other?

[Ray J]

No, he said it's okay.

[Angela Yee]

Wait, that is okay that we.

[Ray J]

It's okay now. I was very expensive, so it was.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Just like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Very expensive.

[Ray J]

But no, again, you have to have self control eventually, over time, because if you have the option to make mistakes and just. And it works, the mistakes work, then you find yourself in a weird position because crashing out works. So how do you balance that with, you know, just being level in life? And sometimes for me, it just gets confusing and everything just becomes blank and it all just gets real blurry right now.

[DJ Envy]

Interesting when you say works, though, because, you know, when you think about Raycon Tronics, you built these hundred million dollar businesses. To me, that's working, absolutely. This crashing out is just attention online.

[Ray J]

That's not really working, but it does work. It does work for impressions. It does work for certain scales. When you're doing Snapchat or you're doing Twitter or you're doing Instagram, you're doing Twitch and you're running, you know, 15 ads an hour and you want your CPM to be solid, right? And you're running them at night and late night, and you want those to work as well. So I think it all works if you're looking at it from a really scientific level. And I think a lot of people don't think we look at it like that, but we do. But enough is enough at some point, right? And I don't know when it is. I don't know when enough is enough. Because I'm like, enough's enough now. But I'm like, is it enough? I'm just saying. I'm just saying, is it enough? Wild out two days ago, because when people, when people hire me to do a job and I come and I go, yo, what do you guys want me to do? They're like, do what you do. Not too much, but do what you do. So not too much tells me, okay, you want me to do what Ray J Does. And again, balance, prayer, support, more than anything is what matters. And I feel like throughout this Whole grind there hasn't. Like, the support system for Ray J is very minimal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Ray J]

But it's okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So are you changing a new leaf now?

[DJ Envy]

Because two days ago, I'm not even listening to this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You called Mario gay.

[Ray J]

I called Mario. No. I said I never seen Mario with a woman. But I love Mario, and I'm sure he has women.

[DJ Envy]

And I'm sorry, Mom, he's on Instagram with his pregnant.

[Ray J]

I'm so sorry. Exactly. So I made a mistake.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Also, you said Wale was. You know, you said he liked the hospitality of his show and pretty much called him a sucker.

[Ray J]

I'm sorry. Wale for that as well. And I want to extend my apology to Wale. Mario. He did a great job with Brandi. I appreciate Brandi for having my back. She said I needed to just slow down on all the extracurricular things that I do on the side and I would be able to compete.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you no longer want to battle him in the verses?

[Ray J]

In a verses? Well, they had the main stage. They were headlining the verses. And then we did the beginning of the verses. And all together collectively, it was a successful disaster.

[DJ Envy]

I told Mario that he didn't let you on stage. Cause he was afraid of the smoke.

[Ray J]

I'm telling you because I was on the side of. He was up here.

[DJ Envy]

He was just here.

[Ray J]

So I seen Mario on the side of the stage. I walk up to him. We in Baltimore or no, we in.

[DJ Envy]

D.C. and I'm like, we got Mar. Let's hear Mar. Did we got Mar.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We got.

[Ray J]

Mario said, okay, shout out to Mar. Shout out to Mario. Even if he says something bad, God bless him.

[DJ Envy]

No, he didn't say.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He didn't say that bad.

[Ray J]

He's here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, no.

[Ray J]

Not.

[Angela Yee]

He's here. Like, we had him in the closet just waiting for you.

[DJ Envy]

I'm not scared. I'm not scared.

[Ray J]

Come on, you worry. You got to be King Cooper tomorrow. I just. Today.

[DJ Envy]

Yes.

[Ray J]

Sara's here and you know, Sheila's here, and the whole team is here.

[DJ Envy]

King Cooper.

[Ray J]

Don't hide. Don't hide.

[DJ Envy]

You King Cooper. Okay.

[Ray J]

I hit the homie and said, wow, you have my back for one time, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You had your bag.

[Ray J]

Yes, I said. I said I ain't had your bag. I know you haven't. And DJ Envy, you haven't had it for a few times.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[DJ Envy]

Mario said, you ain't let him on that stage the other night. Cause you knew what was gonna happen at the Wally.

[Ray J]

Yeah, Ray J, you said I didn't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let him on stage.

[DJ Envy]

Ray J wanted to do the verses right there.

[Ray J]

You could ask Ray J what happened backstage. I was like, yo, let's do it. Let's make it happen. He was like, n. Shrink me.

[DJ Envy]

Just.

[Ray J]

Just. I don't care what you do. Just, let's just make it happen. I'm like, I didn't even know he was gonna be there. I said, I bet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got you.

[Ray J]

They didn't let him on stage. It wasn't me.

[DJ Envy]

That's not Ray J's story. Ray J's story was I wanted to do the verses right then there. So Mario was like, nah, out of.

[Ray J]

All people, you trust Ray D's story. Damn. You told him, Mario, that's not okay. I saw Mario behind the stage, and when they said, mario's here, I'm like, no way. This is a coincidence. It's perfect for us to do what we gotta do.

[Angela Yee]

You didn't know he was gonna be there?

[Ray J]

I didn't know. Cause somebody. Well, my management said Wale wanted Ray J to come out for a homecoming event or whatever. And I'm like, I'm doing the DMV Baltimore subathon. Anyway, let's go up there. I didn't talk to Wale or none of them, so I didn't know really who invited me. I ended up backstage. They said, mario's upstairs. I said, let's go find him. We went up. I said, mario, what's up? He said, what's up, Ray J? I said, what's up? I said, it's time. I said, you about to get on stage, and then I need to battle you with my song. I said, bro, even if I lose, I. We gotta do it. He said, and I promise you, give me five minutes to think about it. And I go, five minutes to think about it. So then he goes down, and then I go down 10 minutes later, and he's performing. So he didn't give me the five minutes. He just, like, kind of shaded me on that end. And so I was standing on the side of the stage waiting for Mike, and they started directing me off, like, traffic, like, with the car, like, ray J, come on. This way. Go that way. Now get the hell out of here. And I was just like, yo, it was crazy.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, so they kicked you out?

[Ray J]

They didn't kick me out, but they kind of just told me to get off because they. They was like, we don't want no problems here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But what Ray J, was it. Was it this Ray J, or was it. It was this Ray.

[Ray J]

It was this Ray J. My eyes was really wide, and I was ready to get on stage. They go, we don't want those problems here. Come on. And I just was like, all right, I'm done.

[Angela Yee]

Did Mario ever look over and see you, like, you know how like you on a stage, but you could see.

[Ray J]

He didn't want no problems at that point. Because I knew that dc, which is one of my favorite cities in the world, I love dc. Shout out to Kathy Hughes. Shout out to DC I wanted it so bad, but they. They didn't. They didn't let it happen. So I respect it. I was a little mad, but I think after that night, I started to go, you know what? Maybe I'm a little mad too much. Maybe I need to switch up from the Casamigos to maybe Tito's.

[DJ Envy]

How many songs Amigos we love that you got? I say three and a possible Ray J.

[Ray J]

It just depends on where you are. Like, I think that the verses for no Limit and Cash Money should have been in New Orleans.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Ray J]

It would have been a whole nother thing.

[Angela Yee]

So where does Ray J's versus take place?

[Ray J]

Ray J's verses?

[Angela Yee]

Like, if you have the perfect set of music.

[Ray J]

In Baltimore.

[Angela Yee]

In Baltimore. Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Ray J]

In his hometown.

[DJ Envy]

In Mario's hometown.

[Ray J]

Because I love Mario and I love Baltimore.

[DJ Envy]

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

[Ray J]

You know, I think doing it in LA wouldn't be fair because now I'm doing songs that Mario might not have even heard. And they still lit and they still platinum, you know?

[Angela Yee]

What song do you lead with? Like, what's your number one?

[Ray J]

The song that I lead with is One Wish.

[DJ Envy]

No, out the gate.

[Ray J]

No, because I got. I got a new gospel version.

[DJ Envy]

That's dope. You should be allowed to do one wish three times, three different ways, which means you're supposed to get three wishes. So. So it should be more than one wish. So one wish. Then you do a one wish rah rah.

[Ray J]

Why you laugh like that?

[DJ Envy]

Then you can do one wish. Afro beats kill em.

[Ray J]

I think one wish five times, then sexy. Can I. I said, this is what I said. I said, let me love you is not bigger than one wish.

[DJ Envy]

You should let me love you.

[Angela Yee]

I don't know, Ray J.

[DJ Envy]

One Wish.

[Angela Yee]

I love One Wish. I'd love to see you perform it. But I do think, what's the metric? Let me love you is bigger.

[DJ Envy]

But you can look it up. You can see what you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well.

[Ray J]

But then also. Also take into account I'm 1,000% independent. Like, there's no. Like, there's no Koch distribution on this one. There's no epic distribution on this one. This is just straight sanctuary and Ray J. 3% like, deal within 97% US forever.

[DJ Envy]

Sexy can I, Sexy can I Sexy.

[Ray J]

Can I Is bigger than let me.

[DJ Envy]

Love you to me Hit it first is a possibility.

[Ray J]

Hit it first is not okay, you.

[DJ Envy]

Can do hit it first.

[Ray J]

Well, hit it first Never really. That's a big record.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

People know that record.

[Ray J]

That's crazy. Cause it never really saw the light of day.

[DJ Envy]

And I want you to know that those two right there said that Mario would wash you in a verse. I don't know why they not keeping that same energy right now.

[Ray J]

And I think so, but honestly.

[Angela Yee]

But I don't think that you would stand.

[Ray J]

I think so too. You're right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think he got five joints. I think Mario got five.

[Ray J]

Mario can sing live as hell.

[DJ Envy]

Your niece said one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Mario only got one joint.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I didn't say nothing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let me love you Just a friend Braid my hair the joint with Gucci.

[Ray J]

I love you, Rah Rah. And I love that Brandy supported me, too, but she also said Ray got to, you know, do right in order to compete. Because Mario is a serial singer, right?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ray J]

He's a serial singer. And. And I respect that. And I think that in a verse is live right now. Mario would crush me.

[DJ Envy]

I'm glad. I'm glad you and your sister got back on the. I love being pa. How did that happen?

[Ray J]

We always been on the same page. I think just publicly, it was just, you know, she brought me out at the concert, but I was just. Every time I get around B and my mom and Sara, I just get real emotional, man.

[DJ Envy]

And you straighten up. You don't act like you act anywhere else with them, I'm sure.

[Ray J]

Yeah. Nah. And I think that it's just enough is enough. And I'm so happy that Rah Rah's here today because it just. It makes me do better no matter what, because I know my mom is watching and my dad and Brandi and so, like, I'm like. I'm really a comedian. We really are in, like, this Richard Pryor, like, red fox format of comedy where it's uncut. Right. And if everybody took it like that, I think it'd be better. But for the seriousness of what it is, I just. I don't want to let them down moving forward, and I just wanna do right.

[Angela Yee]

What is Brandi sing?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was gonna ask how come you didn't come out during the show. How come he didn't sing during the show? Cause everybody was expecting One Wish.

[Ray J]

Well, Brandi and Monica wanted me to do. You know, they wanted to get my idea. And I just said for the first one, just let me just come out and go up and down. Just for me to just say hi. Cause I don't wanna. I don't wanna get hype.

[DJ Envy]

You could shut it down.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You could have did One Wish.

[DJ Envy]

Wait a minute.

[Ray J]

Well, I just didn't wanna do anything wrong.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sexy cannot One Wish.

[Angela Yee]

So you got back to that point of you been coming out with her and you just didn't want to mess it up.

[Ray J]

Yeah, like, I just. Just wanted to just. Just make it. Just make it peaceful, you know? And shout out to Usher's mom too, because I seen her. We all took a picture of my mom, Usher's mom, Brandi, and. And she was like, I want to talk to you too. Because it seemed like she had something on her mind to tell me. But it never happened. But I hope it does because I was curious on what she was going to say. But I'm just, you know, I'm in a listening mode and I'm in. I'm in. I'm not in healing mode, but I just. I want to do the right thing.

[DJ Envy]

What did One Music Fest. Did one Music Fest make you want to get back on stage.

[Angela Yee]

And why they didn't give you a stage?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. Why weren't you on a stage at One Music Fest?

[Ray J]

No, I was.

[DJ Envy]

You started on stage?

[Ray J]

I was on stage with rsvp.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, okay. Gotcha.

[Ray J]

Okay. Rsvp. I told them all to come down. Now. I had on a Balenciaga sweat jumpsuit. It was hot. So I. I pulled it down. And then it became like a dress or whatever, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yep.

[Ray J]

And then I had the boots from Teemu. I just got them a couple days before. It was like 12.99 dope. And I just don't know what else happened. I thought I did a good job.

[Angela Yee]

I think you served your core audience.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Served your core audience.

[DJ Envy]

Do you think he did a good job, Niece?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I love my uncle.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, she did.

[Ray J]

She probably didn't see the whole thing.

[DJ Envy]

I didn't see the whole thing either. I just saw clips. To me, it seemed very on brand. It was super Ray to me. I was like, ray is before. Ray is one of the greatest entertainers walking the face of the earth. He was out there entertaining.

[Ray J]

I felt that way, but it didn't look that way. It looked a little different.

[DJ Envy]

Did it make you want to get in shape and get you, you know, like.

[Ray J]

Well, everybody keeps saying I'm the only, like, person with a belly and a six pack.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what they kept saying. Yes, they did.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Ray J]

So. Because you know what? I hold my kids like this. I don't hold them like this. So my belly's out, and then it naturally just kind of. But if I just sucked it in, everything will be good. But I think that. Yeah, but I do want to go to the gym.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Have you heard his new record?

[DJ Envy]

Strippable Stripper Pole.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Stripper bow.

[Ray J]

Stripper bow is lit.

[DJ Envy]

No, that's crazy.

[Angela Yee]

No, but I.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The record is a dope record.

[DJ Envy]

Play it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But coming from Ray J sounds a little crazy.

[Coca-Cola Narrator]

Why?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because he throws a lot of bitches out there. A lot of. My bitch at this house, my bitch at that house. But the record is dope.

[Angela Yee]

In front of your niece.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, the record.

[Ray J]

My niece is lit. She's grown, okay?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The record is dope. She looking at you like, I'm old enough.

[Angela Yee]

I just want to be respectful. You just.

[Ray J]

She's grown. Don't have Brandy mad at us. No, I mean, come on. Rah. Rah's lit. But the record is dope.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But why do you go that way in your record? Cause, you know, you said you want to get back with your wife and have your family together, but then in that record, you.

[Ray J]

I got a. In this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A penthouse. And I got a. In this house. I got a here. I got a here.

[Ray J]

You guys are just.

[Angela Yee]

That's a valid question, right?

[DJ Envy]

The record.

[Ray J]

Wait, let me. Let me. Let me. Let me tell you guys, you guys have gotten. You guys have gotten. You guys are the greatest of all time. I mean, you guys.

[DJ Envy]

Radio hall of fame.

[Ray J]

Yes, I know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hold on, hold on, you guys.

[Ray J]

It's going crazy in the club, bro.

[DJ Envy]

You play it on the speakers.

[Ray J]

Yeah, I can't do it. The speakers.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, I saw the video.

[Ray J]

DJ Envy. I'mma get the gold. Let's go. Got so hot I'm sweating in the snow.

[DJ Envy]

Michelob.

[Ray J]

I love the Michelob Ultra. Yeah. On my tippy toes, I just hit and go. Let's go.

[DJ Envy]

The fact you don't have T Pain on this is crazy. Yeah, that's cuz T Pain is all over Twitch now. You have T Pain on this?

[Ray J]

I hit Pain.

[DJ Envy]

That art.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Yeah.

[Ray J]

Yo, Hit Maker said he gonna do the remix with Pain and Ross and. And he got this idea, so for the remix, it'll go crazy. Shout out to Truth. And then I have a clean version coming, too.

[Angela Yee]

What's the clean.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The record is the clean version, just.

[Ray J]

Without all of the curse words. Yeah, because at first when you mute it, it just don't have. It's no song. You gonna play an Envy with the Queen? I like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I like the record. The record is dope. It's a club record. I heard the record. I'm like, the record is dope.

[DJ Envy]

You still have sex with Scribbles?

[Ray J]

I do, yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Ray J]

I do. I do here and there. But I'm not. I'm really not a sexaholic at all, though. Yeah, I just. I'm very focused right now. So Sheila tell you, like, shout out to Sheila on the Love Cabin. We got the show on Zeus that's going crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They got mad questions for Sheila in the chat that.

[DJ Envy]

What questions y' all got for Sheila?

[Angela Yee]

Is that the same person?

[DJ Envy]

We still got a lot to get.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

To with Ray Jill, so.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Wait, please.

[Angela Yee]

Sheila, you gotta come. I gotta understand.

[Ray J]

And then we gotta make sure we get. We gotta make sure we get Sarah up here too.

[Angela Yee]

Yes, for sure.

[Ray J]

We're after this, like in another. In another. In another. Yeah, in another segment.

[DJ Envy]

You're welcome.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This segment, not this segment.

[Ray J]

Yeah, we love you. And what's crazy is that I saw you make.

[DJ Envy]

I saw on Shade Room, you had this young lady crying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She was crying.

[DJ Envy]

I'm not gonna lie. It was a part of me. I was like, that's kind of player. Just a little bit.

[Ray J]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They made it cry?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, just a little bit. Just the way. Is this the way? Because I. Once again, I can't tell when Ray J being serious or he's just entertaining up.

[Ray J]

Well, it was just all about the chat. It wasn't about me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, she wasn't. Not with her crying.

[Angela Yee]

So y' all are in.

[Ray J]

Are you gonna.

[Angela Yee]

What is.

[Ray J]

You know, if you do, you do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But to the mic. To the mic. Sheila.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, come a little closer.

[DJ Envy]

Sheila's on Love Cabin.

[Ray J]

Yeah. Shout out to Zeus and shout out to Lemmy. Shout out to the Zeus network. They've been. They've powered us up, man, to go even further, even with Tronics, and I'm looking forward to it. Shout out to Lemmy. He sees a new vision for Eventronics and what we're doing as a whole in reality. So.

[DJ Envy]

So. So, Sheila, you're holding Ray J down till he goes back to his family. How does that feel?

[Ray J]

That is crazy.

[Sheila]

You know what? Let me say this. Ray J and I are really good friends, you know?

[Ray J]

You're looking good today, Sheila.

[Sheila]

Thank you so much. I may cry, I may not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But are y' all more than friends or y'.

[Ray J]

All.

[Sheila]

We're really good friends.

[DJ Envy]

What are you crying? What were you crying over?

[Sheila]

You can do what you want with that information.

[Ray J]

Sheila was crying because she couldn't be on the. On the front desk. And the back desk was where her office was with. With Clark, and they were doing their streams.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I thought you was.

[DJ Envy]

But I saw you say that you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wanted to go back to your family.

[Ray J]

But that wasn't what she was crying for.

[Sheila]

They clip things.

[Ray J]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what she was crying for, Cuz? I was like, yo, I'm on the front desk. You have to do this desk, and you can work your way up to the front desk. But right now, this is my chat. You have your chat. Clark has his chat.

[DJ Envy]

Got you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She's like, you scared you're going to fall for him? And then he, you know, you get connected and he leaves for. Go. Goes back to his family.

[Sheila]

No, not necessarily. You know, that wasn't my first time I cried. That was, like, probably my fourth time crying.

[Ray J]

Well, because she. Well.

[Sheila]

Like, yeah, within the week.

[Ray J]

I respect everybody that cried. Some people. And I don't. I don't know. People's water base. Right. But some people cry more than others. So she cries a lot.

[Angela Yee]

Okay.

[Ray J]

Just even when she's happy or sad. Right.

[Sheila]

I mean, I'm a cancer, y'.

[Ray J]

All.

[DJ Envy]

Me too.

[Angela Yee]

I can't feel things.

[Sheila]

You're a cancer. You cry as much as me?

[DJ Envy]

No, I'm more like. I do, but not a lot.

[Sheila]

But you understand, like, I'm kind.

[Ray J]

Like, I don't see you as a cry.

[Sheila]

June. Cancer.

[DJ Envy]

What number? Doing what?

[Sheila]

June 26th.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, yeah, I'm 29th. Okay.

[Sheila]

Okay.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Right, Right.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Sheila]

So. So you kind of understand where I'm coming from. Right?

[Angela Yee]

So the first time you cried, it was about the debt or the last time we saw it was the desk. What were the other issues that we.

[Sheila]

I honestly cry about anything. Like, if. If he tells me he doesn't like my. My hair, I'll cry. Like, it's just.

[Ray J]

But I love your hair.

[Sheila]

No, I know.

[Ray J]

I'm just making it nice. I love your hair now, and I love your hair yesterday. So.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So where do you want it to go?

[Ray J]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because, Pete, that's what the chat is asking. Like, where do you want this relationship to go? Do you want it to be serious? You want to be serious?

[Angela Yee]

This is a relationship.

[Sheila]

Yeah, for sure. This is a relationship. This is a great. This is a really good friendship. It's a good. It's a start to.

[DJ Envy]

Ray said we go together because once.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You bump uglies, it goes to another world.

[Sheila]

We're really good friends, Ray.

[DJ Envy]

Right?

[Ray J]

Absolutely. But Love Cabin is going crazy. In all new episodes Sunday on Zeus.

[DJ Envy]

Why do you have her on your knees, though?

[Ray J]

This is the first time they ever been. Well, they actually got into a spat before when they didn't know each other, and they haven't worked it out yet.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, Rah rah.

[Ray J]

Said she don't like her, but we're gonna work it out. Listen, hold on. We're gonna. We're gonna. They had. They got into an argument about what? At a club when I wasn't there. And so they didn't know each other.

[DJ Envy]

And Sheila walked up like she was family. Like, oh, what's up, Rah Rah?

[Ray J]

Well, no, it was something she didn't know that was my niece. And so they had got into it, and I'm like, yo, that's my niece. And so I want everything to be at peace. I'm turning a new leaf.

[DJ Envy]

I got all money on Rah Rah.

[Ray J]

Well, rah rah's my little. Yeah, we wouldn't even do that because that's my little niece. And I love her so much, and I love everything that she's doing with her career and me.

[DJ Envy]

But you gotta listen to your family. When your family say they don't like somebody, is it the energy? Is it our energy?

[Ray J]

I just think we all gotta sit down after this. After the breakfast. We didn't know each other well. After the breakfast Club. I think we're all gonna go and have lunch. Breakfast.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She said she got more press.

[Angela Yee]

So you'd expect this to go somewhere then if she. Because I thought the show was like, you're helping other people find love. You find the love too.

[Ray J]

No, no, no. This is about. This is about Love Cabin. The Love Cabin. You don't know how it's gonna it the end. Like, the last, like, 12 episodes are gonna go crazy.

[DJ Envy]

You're not supposed to get high off your own supply. If she is a. If she is a star and she's beautiful. Testing the product, right?

[Ray J]

Well, Ray J, as the host on this show, is a different host. He's a dirtier host than most, but he's very curious and he invites himself into the competition.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So he's trying your product.

[Sheila]

Exactly.

[Ray J]

This is a different hosting gig.

[Angela Yee]

Okay.

[Sheila]

He's trying to find love as well.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But are you fine with that? That he's finding. Tasting his products?

[DJ Envy]

Sheila, you're not the only one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is it you?

[Ray J]

Well, if you watched the last episode, I was kissing Athena, which was.

[Sheila]

Athena kissed you?

[Ray J]

She kissed me. Which was.

[Sheila]

You didn't.

[Ray J]

Amazing.

[Sheila]

Athena kissed you.

[Angela Yee]

She said get it right.

[DJ Envy]

So it's okay that you're not the only one? Sheila, you fine with that?

[Sheila]

What do you. What do you mean? Like, that I'm not the only one?

[DJ Envy]

Yes.

[Sheila]

In regards to.

[DJ Envy]

In regards to where Ray J puts his penis.

[Sheila]

Well, like I said, Ray and I were really good friends, and whatever he decides to do with his penis is up.

[Ray J]

Well, my Rah Rah's here, so my niece is here, so we got to keep penis out.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Ray J]

Just got to keep. Just say no, no, no. But I'm saying. But still, uncle. And penis is a lot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She's back there laughing, so she just.

[Ray J]

Don'T want to do that. Like, let's do just loving. I'm about to tell RA to start questions over there. Brandy's watching.

[DJ Envy]

It's a L. I'm sorry. Brandy's watching everybody.

[Angela Yee]

How do you choose?

[Ray J]

My mom is watching.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Sorry, Mom.

[Ray J]

Charlamagne. That was a liar.

[Angela Yee]

Have you met his mom, too? Have you met Ray J's mom?

[DJ Envy]

No, and she. And you shouldn't. Ray, that's. That's doing too much.

[Ray J]

Why is that?

[DJ Envy]

Why do you say that?

[Angela Yee]

You met Brandon.

[DJ Envy]

You can't. Can't. Come on.

[Sheila]

I mean, it might be a little soon, but.

[Ray J]

Well, I think that. No, I think they can meet on this because she's one of the stars of Love Cabin. So we're on an extreme Love Cabin promo tour.

[DJ Envy]

I know business, you see passing like business.

[Ray J]

Well, yeah. Like right now, we've got an opportunity to be on one of the biggest shows in the whole wide world to promote Love Cabin with Sheila and I.

[Angela Yee]

And.

[Ray J]

And this is a great moment for us for love gathering. Sheila, like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So how did you feel when he got up?

[Ray J]

Sheila.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sheila. I'm sorry, Sheila.

[Ray J]

I like Shiloh too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How did you feel when he was. When he professed his love and said he wants to get back with his family when you were there and together?

[Sheila]

Oh, honestly, I wasn't there at the time. When he said that on the stream, I was sleeping, but I support him whatever he, you know.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, I like that. Shiloh. That's what's up.

[Ray J]

Sheila.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, it is. Sheila.

[Ray J]

Sheila.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sheila.

[Ray J]

Because she spells her name with a S H. I thought I was saying it right. Think about it. Oh, Sheila, I wanna love you too.

[Angela Yee]

I have a question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you were in the bed in the back when he was on the stream that day.

[Sheila]

I went to sleep because, you know, I was. I cried all night.

[DJ Envy]

So I want Ray back with Princess too, because that's when I saw Rey at his most stable, when Rey was with Princess. That's the Ray I.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, Princess has to want him back as well, too.

[Angela Yee]

I was about to ask, how does Princess love feel about Sheila?

[Ray J]

And I think Princess is in a place where she has her nail shop. She's been super focused on work and really just trying to build her business. And so I haven't really got a chance to talk too much about it. But I know that I'm there for the kids and for her financially and for love as well.

[DJ Envy]

Rah, rah. That's what you want, right? Back with Princess?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I want both of them to be very happy. I love them both.

[DJ Envy]

See, Ray.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ray says she wants both of them to be happy.

[Ray J]

You go to the nail shop a lot? You. You and Princess have y. Princess. Wow. From Prela Nail shop. Umbrella Beauty bar.

[DJ Envy]

Okay. Sheila, can we talk to Ray about some pressing issues for sure, please?

[Sheila]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

All right. But I'm not trying to tell you to move. Just.

[Angela Yee]

You said the back desk.

[DJ Envy]

The back. Yeah.

[Ray J]

So I think that's going to go back.

[Sheila]

Go to the back?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, I think you go to the back there. Thank you.

[Ray J]

No, you about to cry. No, don't you cry. No. Remember.

[Sheila]

Does anyone have tissues?

[Ray J]

We all got to advance to different.

[DJ Envy]

I don't need Ray J telling me.

[Ray J]

I would not do that.

[DJ Envy]

Told me I wasn't.

[Ray J]

I would never do that.

[DJ Envy]

Like, it was crazy.

[Ray J]

In your early career, you've grown into a Mega. And you keep it low key.

[Sheila]

And you got my name right, Sheila.

[Ray J]

That's right. Your Mega Mobile.

[DJ Envy]

I am not. I'm not. No. Thank you, Sheila. I love that you. Appreciate you. That's a nice bag and everything. Did we buy you that?

[Sheila]

No.

[DJ Envy]

Okay, thank you.

[Ray J]

But what did I buy you? Everything else.

[DJ Envy]

Ray, you got a tight. I just want you to know that I was watching the stripper pole video. Scrippable. You got.

[Ray J]

Yeah. Everything else I got for her now, but I got more to give.

[DJ Envy]

Let's talk about part of. Part of turning the corner for Ray.

[Ray J]

I love you.

[DJ Envy]

Rabbi is putting everything behind you with this Kardashian sex tape now. Oh, my goodness. When you look back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't bring this up.

[DJ Envy]

No, listen, when you look back at everything with the Kardashians, the tapes and the public back and forth, the legal threats what do you feel people still misunderstand about your side of the story?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yeah.

[Ray J]

Well, I haven't talked to my lawyers enough to know if legally I can go into. Into. Into it all the way yet. But I just. I have a daughter. I have a son, and I love my daughter so much and I love my son and my niece. And just. If I was to die today, I think there's a lot of things that would be misunderstood about my story and about just the overall life that I lived. And I don't know if it's called legacy or just your biography, you know, from life to death. And before it's done, I just feel like there's a few things that I need to make sure we have understood from an overall. An overall situation. And again, this isn't me. This is. This is something that's been going on every year for 20 years, like to this year. Not on my side, on the other side. And so I'm not bringing this back up 20 years later. I'm not like sparking this back up to get some money. It's not about that. It's just about the truth. And it's not even about me wanting the truth now. This is about the other side every year doing something to me and not. And it's been happening every year of my life. I'm talking about in 2025. It's a lot of things that people don't know and it's happening now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you know, the sad thing about it is I feel like we forget about that tape, right? And we think about all the other things that you do. The show, the electronics and the thing. I don't think we talk about that as much.

[Ray J]

Nobody knows about the show. Nobody talk about the electronics. Nobody talks about.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, those are things I think we should highlight more because you did amazing things in that space that we don't.

[Ray J]

Talk about, but we all know, like when you're dealing with tech and when you're dealing with partners, the discreetness of success and money. And what you do is. Is something that you gotta keep disciplined. Right? You have to discipline yourself not to expose these businesses and the numbers and. Cause you can't gloat about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You feel like that tape holds you back. Like, we seen Kim do a collab with Nike. We seen Kim do a collab with the NBA. Do you feel like it holds you back from doing things?

[Ray J]

Do you feel like that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know.

[Ray J]

You know?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I don't know. Cause the reason I say I don't know is there's other things to Ray J than just that tape.

[Ray J]

Like we'll see. And that's why I've been coloring. I've been coloring outside the line. That's building businesses. That doesn't have anything to do with public perception. If we run a business and we making 80 or 90 million a year, there's no reason for me to say that with my partners in the board wanting to keep a very solid, low key business and to keep the holiday.

[Angela Yee]

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[Podcast Trailer Narrator]

A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught, the answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zieman and this is Monster Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York since the Son of Sam. Available now listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts.

[Coca-Cola Narrator]

Hey there, Dr. Jesse Mills here. I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and I want to tell you about my new podcast called the Mailroom. And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking but aren't. Because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken A bone? Depends which bone. Well, that's true. Every week, we're breaking down the unique world of men's health, from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility and things that happen in the bedroom. You mean sleep? Yeah, something like that. Jordan. We'll talk science without the jargon and get you real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about. It's going to be fun, whether you're 27, 97, or somewhere in between. Men's Health is about more than six packs and supplements. It's about energy, confidence, and connection. We don't just want you to live longer. We want you to live better. So check out the mailroom on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

[DJ Envy]

What up, y'? All? It's your boy, Kev onstage. I want to tell you about my new podcast called Not My Best Moment, where I talk to artists, athletes, entertainers, creators, friends, people I admire who've had massive success about their massive failures. What did they mess up on? What is their heartbreak, and what did they learn from it?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I got judged. Oh.

[Ray J]

The judges were like, you're trash. I don't know how you got on the show.

[DJ Envy]

Boo.

[Angela Yee]

Somebody had tomatoes.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I'm kidding.

[Angela Yee]

But if they had tomatoes, they would.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Have thrown the tomatoes.

[DJ Envy]

Let's be honest. We've all had those moments we'd rather forget. We bumped our head, we made a mistake, the deal fell through. We're embarrassed. We failed. But this podcast is about that and how we made it through.

[Ray J]

So when they sat me down, they were kind of like, got into the small talk, and they were just like, so what do you got? What ideas? And I was like, oh, no.

[DJ Envy]

What? Check out Not My Best moment with me, Kev on Stage on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the.

[Ray J]

Host of the On Purpose podcast.

[DJ Envy]

Recently, I had the honor of sitting down with the iconic Kris Jenner.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

You never quite know what or where.

[Angela Yee]

Life is going to lead you and.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Where it's gonna be the best lesson you ever learned and not get distracted by the noise. This is a lot of noise.

[Ray J]

Even if one of your children has been through something really difficult with their partner or an ex partner, you still love them as part of the unit and the family.

[Angela Yee]

These are, in most cases, the fathers of my grandchildren.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I love these men. And that love doesn't go away when we experience really challenging times with them. Compassion is key into really feeling what somebody might be going through. Even though you don't agree with them, if you once love them, then love is love.

[DJ Envy]

Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or.

[Ray J]

Wherever you get your podcasts things discreet. So if we made $500 million, we couldn't. We can't. We can't do that. We can't talk about money because first off, is not relatable. Nobody can relate to numbers knowing that the EBITDA numbers could be 1% or it could be 10% or 70%. Right. So I can make 100 million. My EBIT is 1%. That's. I didn't make anything. I made 100 million. And so I think just keeping that kind of side of the business quiet is always showing good discipline to your partners. If you want to do business with people in that kind of. In that kind of space. And we all know that. That's why when people say, oh, y' all making money. Charlamagne, you gotta. You like, man, I don't know what you're talking about, but I think. But exactly.

[Angela Yee]

But I think what exactly trying to say is that people don't take a lot of. Not even that we don't know you're successful, but people don't take certain things serious. And there's been. We're trying to figure out if you think it's because the way you've been painted following the sex tape, because even if you're successful, there is kind of this conversation about the big empire she's been able to build. And then. And then you on the other side and the way that people perceive you.

[Ray J]

Well, I talked to a big. A big journalist, has one of the biggest news shows of all time. I sent him information just like I sent you, just so you guys can see what this is. You saw the impact of what happened after, right? And I'm not going to speak on that. But what he said was, up until what I've. What you sent me, I thought you were a narcissist, Ray J. I thought you were. And he said, and I'm gonna keep it real. A piece of. You did this to a girl who, who was trying to just live her life. You. She overcame you, she became successful. You made a little bit of money, you embarrassed yourself, you embarrassed your. Your sister, you embarrassed your mom, you embarrassed your family. That's how I thought about you up until now. What you showed me that. And that's mainstream America. Yeah, but listen, it's more than that, though, because that's mainstream America, we know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You, so we know the different side.

[Ray J]

Mainstream. We're talking about American Idol, we're talking about Dancing with the Stars, we're talking about Marvel, we're talking about anything that rose into an A list format of business that's not there. So what do I do? We color outside the lines and we become successful in other areas.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, but Ray is more than that. Like, when they look at you, sometimes they see your highlights. Right? We know you from differently. Right? But if you look at Ray's highlights outside of that sex tape, they might see you pushing your wife into the pool. They might see you drunk online, saying some wild shit.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Ray J]

Shout out to Princess. No, I didn't see what happened.

[Angela Yee]

She tripped. She fell into the.

[Ray J]

That's not okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But there's other things outside of that sex tape that would make Ray look bad, not just that sex date.

[Ray J]

Don't go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying?

[Angela Yee]

That was not a good moment.

[Ray J]

It wasn't. And again, I've done over 5,000 hours of reality TV.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Correct.

[Ray J]

And we've built successful businesses with Viacom. We built successful businesses with Zeus.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Correct.

[Ray J]

Now we have Zeus Power and Tronics, which is about to be another level. Shout out to Lemmy and shout out to the infrastructure that they have there with him being a scientist and things move forward. It still doesn't take away from my daughter and my son knowing everything. And everything is being complete as far as who I really am in my story. And I don't. And I don't. I can't. I don't know if we went really deep with this, and I'm in trouble because I know legally I can't really speak until we figure this out, but it does reflect on. On how I interact and how I project myself to people. Because once I'm. Once I say I'm done and I'm on another level and I'm, you know, a different person. I need everything to be complete with that, because if that's not complete, then I'm gonna stay turned up until everything is complete.

[DJ Envy]

I do want to say one thing. With the sex tape, and mainstream America should know this, that sex tape could not be sold and distributed without everybody's. I think, bottom line, point blank, period.

[Ray J]

I don't think everybody knows.

[DJ Envy]

I don't think everybody knows.

[Ray J]

See, that's the. See, and that's what I'm saying. When I see y' all talk about it, y' all kindly go. I think everybody knows that everybody knows something. Everybody feels something. Let it be known Ask the questions. Ask the questions. Ask them real. Ask them real questions.

[DJ Envy]

That is a. Everybody's. Everybody had to give their consent in order for that tape.

[Ray J]

But if y' all are. If y' all are with the culture, let me ask the real question.

[Angela Yee]

Okay. Let me ask you a couple questions, and you just answer.

[Ray J]

Can I text you that question asked? Yes.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Yeah.

[Ray J]

In the meantime, I'm text Charlemagne in the meantime.

[Angela Yee]

Right? So we're gonna. You're gonna text us that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it's good. It's good.

[Ray J]

No, because this is the question to ask.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm with you a thousand percent.

[Angela Yee]

Okay.

[Ray J]

This is one question or two questions to ask. And if the culture can get that cleared, then we. We can all be clear, and I can move on with my life, and I can love my daughter and son, and I'll be worried about them fighting for, like, my image and what. Who I really am. Like, that. It really hurts me. That's the only thing that makes me cry and makes me, like, feel bad is that kids. I don't want my kids to have to deal with what I'm dealing with.

[Angela Yee]

Have you had a conversation?

[Ray J]

I know they're young, but they're too young. Okay, but they're almost there. That's what's scaring me, is that I told myself before, they actually see it and get it, I have to do my job. If not, I can't. I can't live here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I get you. Can you pull it off the sites? Is it possible?

[DJ Envy]

It's not about.

[Ray J]

It's not about pulling all the slides. My phone is. Give me one of your phones. I'm just show him in a text. I'm gonna just show him what I'm about to say.

[DJ Envy]

Do you think the public narrative would have been different for you, Ray, if you had the same level of PR machinery that the Kardashians got.

[Ray J]

Man, it hurts to talk about it, bro. I don't want to get emotional, because I just want to do. I want to be a good person. Well, if he doesn't say I'm. And when I say I want to be a good person, I'm already a good person. It's just.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or if he wasn't black.

[Ray J]

Exactly. But you see, you don't go that hard for me.

[DJ Envy]

But if you wasn't black, Ray, because you got a lot of props from. For your penis in that video. If you wasn't black, you wouldn't have got those.

[Angela Yee]

I thought we said we weren't doing that word with his niece here.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, I'm Sorry.

[Angela Yee]

So, Ray J, can you talk about what's in the actual doc? Because people were surprised, too, that there were two tapes that y' all shot.

[Ray J]

Okay, hold on.

[Angela Yee]

Try to talk to the mic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's doing something I hold in my paws.

[DJ Envy]

This how the tape started. That's exactly what Chris Jenner said. Chris, you hold the money.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Send it to Lauren. You don't ask that. Or maybe you can.

[Ray J]

Lauren, you don't ask that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You.

[Ray J]

You are a good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know what it's gonna be. All right, See, I know he can't ask it.

[Ray J]

That's. Listen, now. Now for the. Now for the culture. Now for the culture. Demand those two questions being asked as the culture. And then I could sit back, and I can just chill. And I. And.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

And.

[Ray J]

And there's no there there, like, now.

[Angela Yee]

Okay, so let's. Let's start.

[Ray J]

So now, listen.

[Angela Yee]

Steve Hurst.

[Ray J]

Like, Lauren is asking the questions, not me. Shout out to my lawyers.

[DJ Envy]

Steve Hersh is the Vivid president of Vivid.

[Angela Yee]

Yes. Right.

[DJ Envy]

And I'm gonna tell you how I know that. I used to work for Wendy Williams. That's how I know these things.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah. So Vivid is the porn company at. The tape came out on. Steve Hirsch is or was the president of Vivid. Correct, Correct. Who introduced you to Steve Hirsch?

[Ray J]

That's the question I want you to ask the other side. That's not the question for me. That's the question that. No, no, this is serious. On the dead homies.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The other side will never come up here.

[Ray J]

No, no, no. It's not about the other side coming up.

[DJ Envy]

Dead homies.

[Ray J]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

Because, you know, we had this conversation.

[Ray J]

What if they're dead? So they're fine.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Angela Yee]

Okay.

[Ray J]

Shout out to them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's the second question?

[Angela Yee]

So who is.

[Ray J]

No, I'm saying you have to. You have to demand that as a culture. From the other side. Okay, can I ask what. I'm talking about? Nobody's doing that. They're just. You just letting it. We just. We just letting it fly by.

[Angela Yee]

When you were having conversations with Steve Hirsch, who from the other side was also in the conversation?

[Ray J]

Who introduced me to him?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Question the mom.

[Angela Yee]

Okay, so second question.

[DJ Envy]

Race team is like, stop.

[Ray J]

I can't. He's not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He not answering.

[DJ Envy]

It's too much. If it's too much, we don't want him getting no legal trouble.

[Ray J]

Yeah, no. Okay, okay. Here's what's crazy. Spiral or Spiral or whatever that nigga's name is. He gonna hit y' all with the too right after this. Yeah, Y' all gonna get hit. And everybody got hit. And that's where you go. Red flags. That's where it should be. Red flags in every. Every aspect.

[DJ Envy]

But he's talking to the mic, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's the other question, Laura?

[Angela Yee]

So the second question is, who is the person that put the sex tape together?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's not gonna answer. He's not gonna answer. He said he wants us.

[Ray J]

These are not for me.

[Angela Yee]

In the document.

[Ray J]

These are not for me. These are for you to demand it from the other side as my friend.

[DJ Envy]

Gotcha. Yes.

[Ray J]

DJ Envy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, sir.

[Ray J]

You said you have my back. I do. Find these questions out. Lauren, you're a big journalist. You come from TMZ and every other place that's at the top of the spot. Demand that question be answered. Charlemagne, I want you to, too. I don't know how to say it like I said it about them, but you are the one that could be like, we demand it as a culture. Because at the end of the day, this could be some civil rights shit. Like, if you really think about it. But you're not thinking about it like that. And nobody really is because money talks and bullshit runs the marathon and nobody wants to fuck up the check. Y'. All. Y' all already got your bag. But when you getting lawsuit after lawsuit and cease and desist, y', all. They pressing. What? Why is it worth it? You gotta fall back as a unit, as an iHeart board. Like, I might even call Paul and tell him I'm dying out here.

[DJ Envy]

Who is Paul?

[Ray J]

Paul Covino.

[DJ Envy]

Who the hell is that?

[Ray J]

Don't do that. I love you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know who Paul is.

[DJ Envy]

Okay, Who's Paul Covino?

[Angela Yee]

Did you. I am.

[Ray J]

Google it real quick.

[Angela Yee]

Did you see the statement that Spiro dropped? Oh, the. A film producer. No, he said that's who came up for me.

[Ray J]

Paul's the big dog at iheart.

[DJ Envy]

No, no, he's not.

[Angela Yee]

The film producer came up for me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bob.

[DJ Envy]

No, don't say that, David.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, no. Hold on.

[Ray J]

Yeah, you guys are playing with me.

[Angela Yee]

So Paul Cravino, according to LinkedIn, I heard media, he's a division president. What division y' all don't know is oh in la? Cause he's listed in la. I don't know.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, it must be la.

[Angela Yee]

I just got in, so I wouldn't know.

[Ray J]

He's Bob's number two.

[Angela Yee]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Ray J]

Are we good with that?

[DJ Envy]

Also, listen.

[Ray J]

Okay, wait.

[DJ Envy]

You said before that you were painted as the villain. How does a black man fight a machine this big when you're dealing with the legal team, reality show Empire, the global brand of the Kardashians. How do you fight that and protect your reputation at the same time?

[Ray J]

Support.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Said he can't.

[DJ Envy]

Are you listening to me? Support?

[Ray J]

Yes, Support. Ask the questions, demand the answers. And if they don't come back, it's a red flag. If they do come back, whether it's under oath or not, and it's wrong, that's when you guys do your job, right? But I guess all of this is under the table because we don't matter. Obviously this is some kind of like, joke and some kind of 25 year span, I don't give a fuck. This is not me. If I could talk more, I'm not doing this. This is not me. This is what I'm going through right now legally with them, that's making it public. And now I'm getting suits saying I'm doing this and doing that outside of arbitration, outside of everything else that's supposed to be. I can't say anything else.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did you sign an NDA where you can't talk?

[Ray J]

Cause this is your life? No, no. I just don't know if this is a. Okay right now because it just happened. So I have to call my lawyers because.

[Angela Yee]

But even in the settlement that y' all did, there weren't things on both sides where, like, you also can't do and say things because the stream is what kicked it off.

[Ray J]

The stream.

[Angela Yee]

Well, the stream took it to a different. It brought it to these documents that we.

[Ray J]

No, it didn't. I was already there. It was just an arbitration.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, so y' all had already been.

[Ray J]

It was already at a high level where I felt like I was a slave and I was. I was a nigger.

[DJ Envy]

No, your niece is too funny, man. When you hit that hard. Er.

[Ray J]

But it was. But, but Charlemagne Charlamagne, that's not. That's not okay. Because it was. It was emotional.

[DJ Envy]

I know.

[Ray J]

But now we watered it down and instead of it being so powerful.

[DJ Envy]

Yes, that was powerful. No, no, no. It was powerful.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's move on.

[DJ Envy]

It was powerful. It was powerful.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But at this point, Ray, I feel like if there's no NDA, you should do a documentary and be able to tell your own story. Because they can't sue you if it's facts.

[Ray J]

They can't sue me, period. These isn't facts. These, this is life. This is me, like, telling you that it's white and you're saying it's black. And they're like, well, it's blacker. Than white right now, just because we don't want to get in trouble. We're in cease and deceases because we see the pipe. The paper is white, but they're saying it's black with a cease and desist. And I don't want to fuck with their lawyers. That's what's happening. When are you guys going to come in and ask the questions for me? And if you can't, I understand that. I've had companies, I've been pressed by my board, I've created companies and had the board not want me there right off. Companies we created. I get it. And I'm not gonna.

[DJ Envy]

Like, like this is a good conversation. You start, I'll tell you. Do you think the industry owes you an apology for letting one family's version of events dominate the news cycle for.

[Ray J]

All these years once it's all said and done and they got the truth? Like, if they get the truth, then I think that they'll. They'll. They'll actually shed a tear for me and don't feel sorry for me.

[Angela Yee]

What happens when we ask these questions and we don't get responses and you can't talk?

[Ray J]

You know, as a journalist, you can wind the tapes on Joke Joe Joe Cordone or whatever. They've already said what they didn't do. Ask them again. Ask them again and tell them to stand on it. Stand on it for the culture. One time. Answer these two questions. They owe it to the world. They owe it to their fans. They owe it to their family. They owe it to their kids. They owe it to my kids. They owe it to my. My sister. They owe it to my mom. Answer those two questions.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm see what the.

[Ray J]

Last thing with the chat, and I guarantee you, you guys won't do it. Because once you start, that call is going to happen and that car's gonna shut it down. That's what hurts me the most. What they're saying is, now I tell you what my chat is doing, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now, they said you guys agreed to do a tape, y' all both got paid, and now you're changing your mind. That's what it.

[Ray J]

That's what they said to them. And that's what's sad, because there's so much more to the story. I'm not changing anything, man. I'm the one being sued. I'm the one being pressed. If I could tell you everything, which I want to, I would, but I need to talk to my lawyers. All I want to do is say everything I Talked to Chris Cuomo, and I want to. I want to do a one on one because he's been. He understands it. I don't know if I can or not, but if I can, I'm going to do it after this. Or with Charlamagne and DJ Envy and Lauren. Just hilarious. Just is too hilarious for this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's move on, because you can't discuss what's going on.

[DJ Envy]

What's the biggest.

[Ray J]

I'm in trouble already, bro. Like, this is bad.

[DJ Envy]

If you look at how the Kardashians handle media versus how you've handled media, what's the biggest lesson you've learned about controlling your own narrative?

[Ray J]

I don't give a fuck. That's controlling the narrative. When I. How I am now, it exudes what anybody can do, and it seems like it's a crash out, but it's a voice where I'm speaking my voice, and every day is getting heard, and that's it. Whether it's a crash out or not. You look at all these other dudes that's been involved in that other situation, they're done. They're going through it. They don't work. They're mentally messed up. They're. They're. Whether you got a $2 billion budget or you got a 200,000, everybody's done. They're going crazy, suicidal.

[DJ Envy]

Mm.

[Ray J]

I've been that way. All because y' all didn't listen. All because y' all didn't listen and y' all didn't help me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's why we don't know that you need help until you tell us.

[Ray J]

Right? Like, I'm. Just.

[Angela Yee]

See you post things publicly.

[Ray J]

Like, I've. I've cried out. I've cried to you. I've cried to you, DJ envy. You won't give me your number. No, I. I found you on Instagram. I did. And you said, call Charlemagne. I ain't in it. I said, dang, right? Where do you go from there when the culture won't help you?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Ray J]

When nobody wants to ask the question. And again, everybody has a family. We can't jeopardize our food on our plate for our family. But my. My. My plate, whether it's a big plate, is supposed to be way bigger. Because if I'm able to sustain this and survive this and drop companies and sell companies and come back and crash out and survive that too, and still be in here, like, I don't give a. Then I should be. Where should I really be?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Ray J]

Where should I really be?

[DJ Envy]

The culture says you did this to yourself because you have a type, and Dr. Umar doesn't approve of your type.

[Ray J]

Dr. Umar is like, see that? Me and Dr. Umar had an argument. He know that he. He likes Suki. Yes, but Suki's with me.

[DJ Envy]

Okay. Okay.

[Ray J]

So he can't like Suki. So he tried to press me, And I said, Dr. Umar, don't do that, because you big. But you not big. You're not that big. I'll take you on.

[Angela Yee]

You still with Suki?

[Ray J]

I'm always with Suki.

[DJ Envy]

Don't cry, Sheila. Sheila, do not cry, Sheila. Sheila, don't cry, Sheila. Sheila, don't cry. Don't cry, Sheila.

[Ray J]

Okay, And I told Suki boyfriend that two days ago.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, oh, so this is, like, recently still.

[Ray J]

I told Suki boyfriend two days ago, stand down. Don't you ever put your hands on Suki. And we good. Other than that, y' all live your.

[Angela Yee]

Life, and you still paying out, like, monthly. You hitting her off with the. What was it, 75k or something?

[Ray J]

That ain't nothing.

[Angela Yee]

Okay, my bad.

[Ray J]

I need y' all to help me, but past the other thing. All right, so let's go to another subject. All right? We're done with the other thing. You guys depressed me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm sorry.

[Ray J]

And y' all hit me in the heart.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I'm sorry.

[Ray J]

Because all I think about is my daughter and my son. I get it. And what they got to go through in life, man. Think about it.

[Coca-Cola Narrator]

No.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. Being a father. How does that shift your. How does that shift how you think about the public narrative around you and also your past?

[Ray J]

Suicidal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Ray J]

Yeah, it's. It's unconventional, like, because I love my daughter so much. How would she ever think of me like that?

[Coca-Cola Narrator]

Right?

[Ray J]

Like, it kills me. I'm talking about some of this I be doing online. I just be like. I be just crashing out because ain't nowhere else to go. And so it's just my daughter, my son, I think can handle it, but I just want my daughter to be okay, man, and. And her to know that that's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That.

[Ray J]

Whatever you hearing. Because y' all the same age as them, as y' all grow up. So eventually y' all gonna have this bad. I rather the truth for a dollar than a billion dollars for a lie, bro. Keep your money.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You.

[Ray J]

They owe me money. Keep that. Just tell the truth for one buck, and I could start over. And if people don't care, it doesn't matter about what people don't care. We're all living right now. It's about when we die, bro, Everybody living is like, why are they doing this? I don't give a fuck about none of that. All I care about is my daughter and my son. And when I think about that, I'mma crash crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Are you talking to somebody besides Dr. Cheyenne Bryant? Are you talking to a therapist on a regular basis? Because when you talk about suicidal thoughts, I wonder if Ray is good.

[Ray J]

I don't know, man. And I just. I'm not playing, bro. It hurts me every day. I don't care how much money I made, how much money I got. I got a daughter, and I love her. And I got a son. I love him. And I just don't want to disappoint them, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You do know life will be better with you here with them and not. Not here.

[Ray J]

You do know, bro, if I rather die for the truth, if I gotta die for them to know the truth, and I'd rather be exited out so they can live a good life. That's on the dead. That's on the dead, homies.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You want to walk your daughter down?

[Ray J]

I'm keeping it real, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to take your son to his games like you want to be.

[Ray J]

Don't do that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I know what you talk about, but you do.

[Ray J]

They help me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like they help me. I will call you every day when you start talking like this.

[Ray J]

Don't call me. Ask the questions. Don't call me serious. Don't call me. Ask the questions.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I am going to call you.

[Ray J]

Ask the questions. Don't call me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ask the questions.

[Ray J]

Demand the questions. Demand the answers. Demand the answers, DJ Envy.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Demand them.

[Angela Yee]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Even if we don't get the answers, we still want you here regardless.

[Ray J]

That's just so political, people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ask the answer. Ask the questions.

[Ray J]

But I want you. If it's gonna be political, then I'm gonna hit the strip club and I'm gonna be political.

[DJ Envy]

See, we want you here, man. You don't want nobody swearing on you, because you know what I'm saying. Would you want somebody swearing on you?

[Ray J]

Ask the question, Charlemagne.

[DJ Envy]

I got you. That's easy. That's easy.

[Ray J]

I just.

[Angela Yee]

Okay, let's get to something more uplifting, positive in Ray J's life. So you talked about.

[Ray J]

I don't know how to go anywhere past this, Yo.

[Angela Yee]

Well, you got. You said you need. You said you need.

[DJ Envy]

Give Ray J a hug, man. Give Ray a hug, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Give Ray a hug, man.

[Ray J]

I can, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on, man. You got a. Come on, bro.

[DJ Envy]

Give me a hug, man. Give your brother hug. We gonna ask the question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We love you.

[DJ Envy]

We love you. Envy. Been wanting the hug, Ray, since he started talking about that sex tape. If you start thinking about that sex tape he want to put a hands on, he want to hug Ranger.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, shut up, man. I'm just going to hook my brother. Shut up, bro. We got love here, man. We love him. Jokes is jokes.

[DJ Envy]

We going to ask the question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We going to ask the questions, right?

[Ray J]

All right, well, so ask the questions. Ask him right now.

[DJ Envy]

Ray. Ray. Serious, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, he's serious. Ask the questions. Ask the questions to the public.

[Angela Yee]

Hey, no, not to the public, too. It's to.

[Ray J]

Nothing's bigger than the program. So we have to figure out if. How is that gonna work for the program? We all have boards. We all have people that's gonna figure it out. We're all bosses, but we have boards. So we're not saying nobody's the boss of nobody, but the board is bigger than the boss.

[DJ Envy]

You're just saying you want the question asked.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Ray J]

I'm not gonna ask.

[DJ Envy]

We gonna ask the question because I know what the end goal is. The end goal question.

[Ray J]

Not. You don't have to ask it here.

[DJ Envy]

But here's the thing.

[Ray J]

Ask it somewhere else. Demand it. Create the. I think create the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The.

[Ray J]

The. Like, the. The protest.

[DJ Envy]

But, Ray, I think something bigger than even asking the question. What you want is simply for them to say, we were all in this together.

[Ray J]

No, I want it to just be very simple. I wasn't the one that was that orchestrated. I was just a tool, bro. I didn't do nothing. I never had none of that. I never had none of this sex tapes in my hand ever in life. They never been in my hand.

[DJ Envy]

Never a tool.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Stop it, man. You can't take anything serious, man.

[DJ Envy]

He just said that. He's a te With a tool. I respect. I get what he's saying. The chat going crazy.

[Angela Yee]

The chat was like different conversations.

[Ray J]

Rah rah. Don't want me to do no more.

[DJ Envy]

Listen to your niece. Okay, can we.

[Ray J]

Can we bring her up here and talk about her music?

[DJ Envy]

No, not after you talking about your tune.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on, now. We going to clear. We going to change. We going to change.

[DJ Envy]

That is not the segue. Ray, Ray, Ray. That is not okay.

[Angela Yee]

Can we get another chair up here for her in the mic?

[DJ Envy]

This is. See, y'.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All.

[DJ Envy]

Y' all don't understand the toll this takes on a spiritual hygiene. That's a great book for you to read.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We're gonna play Rah Rah song today, too.

[Ray J]

No, she's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How you feeling?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Rah Rah. Conversation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Welcome to the breakfast club.

[DJ Envy]

Rah rah.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Oh, my God.

[Angela Yee]

Welcome.

[DJ Envy]

I'm really glad you here, though, because Ray needs this kind of real, real family force around him, you know?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

No, never.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How you feeling? Right?

[DJ Envy]

The only other time I'm gonna tell.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

You, y' all be asking some real, real deep questions.

[DJ Envy]

When I see Ray with his family, when I see Ray with people like Billy, that's when I'm like, okay, Ray is in good hands.

[Ray J]

Shout out to Billy J.

[DJ Envy]

People that actually care about it.

[Ray J]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

You know what I mean?

[Ray J]

I get emotional when I'm up here with my niece. I can't do it.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Yeah, he's the greatest uncle on Earth and the greatest dad, too.

[DJ Envy]

What do you think people misunderstand about him?

[Ray J]

Answer that. Just. Just let's talk about. But just. Let's talk about. No, don't bother her like that. Just have her. No, let's have her talk about. Let's have her talk about her music and. Bro, don't have her talk about this, please. Bro, I can't have her up here. I don't care. What's going on with your music? How's your music going? It don't matter, man.

[DJ Envy]

I think you need to hear that, right?

[Ray J]

I don't care. I love my. I love my little niece. Let's not bring her into this, okay?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right.

[Ray J]

Let's just talk about her music and stuff. Bro, he's amazing. We know. Do it, bro. On the dad homies, bro.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

And the greatest father.

[Ray J]

I love it.

[DJ Envy]

Just.

[Ray J]

Let's not do this to her.

[DJ Envy]

I love it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love it.

[DJ Envy]

Do you feel pressure being Brandy's daughter and pursuing a singing career?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

That's big. That's some big shoes.

[Angela Yee]

But you sang, though.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

No. Y' all know, it's a lot. And there's a lot coming from my uncle, too. You know, I think I get my little personality from him, too.

[DJ Envy]

I'm.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I'm real hyper, real energetic like him and, you know, singing.

[Ray J]

Mom.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Mom. He's like that too, though. The whole family is. But, yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot.

[Ray J]

I love you, Sarah.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I love you.

[DJ Envy]

Did they want you to pursue a singer career when you first told him? Like, I. I sing.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

At first, my grandma didn't as much until she heard my voice. She really wanted me to be an attorney, like a lawyer, because I'm really good at arguing. But no, I went to school for business. I got my degree and everything, so.

[Angela Yee]

It's.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

It's. You know, I'm trying to do both. I want my master's, so I'm taking a year off, though.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

And then I might go back next year. But, yeah, no, I have my. My degree and in the studio and, you know, the new movies coming out, so I'm really excited.

[Angela Yee]

It's called Christmas every Day.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Every day? Yes. Me and my mom play Sisters, which is kind of weird.

[Ray J]

Yeah.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

It's my first movie ever. I didn't know I would like acting like that.

[Ray J]

So it was.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

It was great to get that opportunity.

[Ray J]

Wow.

[Angela Yee]

That's fire. And then so on. So acting debut, and then you guys are talking about doing a joint project musically, you and Brandy, right?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Wow.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Compression.

[Angela Yee]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's dope.

[Ray J]

Go ahead.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Oh, well, obviously, she's very involved in, like, what I do musically. She's vocal produced along with Troy Taylor.

[Ray J]

He.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

He didn't. Mom did. They vocal produce me for this whole upcoming project that I'm putting out. But, yeah, they pushed me a lot, both of them, and it's really crazy. You know, people would pay a lot of money to have her in the studio. I'm like, get out. You know, like, leave me alone. But, you know, I'm so grateful. It's a lot of pressure. It's a lot. She pushes me a lot.

[DJ Envy]

So what does success look like for you?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I think I'm already successful being in this family. I can be a Nepo baby to the day I die.

[Sheila]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

I like that.

[Ray J]

You know what I mean?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I love it. I love watching, you know, you know, mom and Uncle Ray J and even my grandma just working in my. And my granddad, you know, working. It's like, yeah, I'm just here just sitting pretty. I can do it all day. But, you know, I love to work. I really love to work. That's why I got my degree. I went to college, all of it. I love working. And with all this stuff coming up, I'm excited. But, you know, I. I think just being around everybody and just, you know, feeling everything, I just feel like I'm already successful. I have beautiful friends, beautiful family, you know, beautiful cousins. So, you know, I'm good. I think I'm good over here. Life is great.

[DJ Envy]

There's no problem. All you gotta do is create the type of art you want to make. Yeah, you can make the kind of moves you want to make. Like, there's no.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

And I'm so blessed because a lot of people don't have that open door, you know, it's really hard to put your foot in. And I had it. So I'm so, like, I'm so grateful. I'm so blessed. And I never want people to think that I'm, like, taking advantage of it. That's why, like, when you hear music or even the movie, like, I was in acting lessons for a month straight. I was in, you know, I did vocal lessons. I know how to play piano, ukulele. I was in dance.

[Angela Yee]

Like, I've.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I've been in dance competitions. You get what I'm saying? Like, I just know that my foot was already in the door. So, like, I just wanted to work 10 times harder because it's like, it's already there. Okay, so you go to college. Well, get straight A's, and then you're in the highest honors. You know what I mean? So it's like something in me. It's like I had it. But don't let people think, you know, like, you know, you already got it. So just know I work a little harder. Just a little bit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But look at raised face. Look at our proud man. Look at the proud. I love it.

[Angela Yee]

What's it like being on tour with your mom in my.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Oh, it's exhausting. No, it's so fun. It's fun. It's great to see her. She deserves it. She really, really deserves this.

[DJ Envy]

And the thing I think is ill about you is, like, I can see both versions, right? I can see, like, Brandi is very polished, very media trained. Then you got your uncle, who's very outspoken, says what the hell he wants. I can see both in you. But you know how to control it. I can see it like, you're not gonna ever get to this unless you want.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I might.

[DJ Envy]

Okay, but you want to. Your mother won't put you in a.

[Ray J]

Headlock if you ever.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Oh, very much so. My mom gets like that, too. Come on, now. Mom's very real. You know, she is. She's quote, unquote, media. Okay. But no, she's just her. And, like, so is my uncle. I just. I just feel like we just don't put up a facade. Like, we're very real. You know what I mean? So if my uncle feels a certain way, if Brandy feels a certain way, if I feel a certain way, even Sonia. So he'll be, you know, talking, you know, what she wants to talk about. You know what I mean? So it's like we're just real. And I don't think in this family, I don't think we're media trained, like, you know, What?

[DJ Envy]

I mean, how did we not get the Norwoods reality show?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

We did have a reality.

[Angela Yee]

They did.

[DJ Envy]

The whole family.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, yeah, it was a while ago. It was like 2000.

[DJ Envy]

I don't remember the whole family having.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I was like nine.

[Ray J]

All right, all right.

[DJ Envy]

I was.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I wasn't in it, but. No, they had. They had. They had two. Two seasons, right?

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, it was Brandy and Ray J. Family business, right?

[DJ Envy]

Oh, yeah. Got you. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, thank y' all for joining us.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, man, we really appreciate it. But listen, by the way, when you see people like Ray J's niece, you understand his plight. That's right. So. So, so take that then. Factor in his kids and you'll understand the fight he's. He's waging right now.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Just takes care of everything, everybody.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Takes care of a lot. A lot of people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Thank you for holding. Unk down. Rah Rah.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Of course. Always my favorite person on earth.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ray J. We love you, brother. All right. It's the Sheila we see back there, too.

[DJ Envy]

Nah.

[Ray J]

What?

[DJ Envy]

You can't. Sheila, she back to crying. But, you know, it's a different Breakfast Club front desk every day. I wake up. Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club.

[Podcast Trailer Narrator]

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[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

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[Ray J]

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[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

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[Angela Yee]

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[Ray J]

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[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Adult we get paid more than the men. We call the shots. In what way is that degrading? That's us taking hold of our life.

[Ray J]

Listen to Gentle world on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded. I felt it rip through me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

In season two of Rip Current, we ask who tried to kill Judy Berry and why?

[Ray J]

They were climbing trees and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She received death threats before the bombing. She received more stress after the bombing.

[Ray J]

I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Episodes of rip current season two are available now. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.

[Ray J]

Or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Angela Yee]

This is an iHeart podcast.