Perspektives with Bank: Young Thug Unfiltered: Pain, Growth & Survival

Summary

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The Breakfast Club x Perspectives with Bank: Young Thug Unfiltered – Pain, Growth & Survival

Podcast: The Breakfast Club / Perspectives with Big Bank
Host: Big Bank
Guest: Young Thug (Jeffery "Young Thug" Williams)
Date: September 8, 2025
Episode Theme: Young Thug sits with Big Bank for a deeply personal, unguarded interview, reflecting on pain, betrayal, loyalty, family, and navigating the aftermath of his high-profile legal issues. The conversation is an unfiltered exploration of trauma, street culture, and the hard lessons on growth, forgiveness, and healing.

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Episode Overview

This episode of Perspectives with Bank features a candid and emotionally charged conversation between host Big Bank and Young Thug. Fresh out of one of hip-hop’s most scrutinized trials, Young Thug speaks openly about his upbringing in Atlanta, the pain of betrayal within his inner circle (notably his relationship with Gunna), his experiences with love and loss, and the emotional scars of his criminal case. The episode provides unprecedented insight into the mindset of one of rap’s most influential—and embattled—figures, grappling with survival, accountability, and a longing for unity in Atlanta’s fractured rap community.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Upbringing, Early Trauma, and Mindset

• Survival from the Start: Young Thug discusses his upbringing in Atlanta’s Jon Burr South projects, painting a vivid picture of “11 kids in a five-bedroom” and the ethos: “I wasn’t raised by dwellers. I was raised by men… Always said, keep going, no matter what.” (04:00)
• Earliest Memories: His first memory is of his brother accidentally burning down their project building—a story he recites without shame, viewing hardship as formative and even prideful given his environment. (05:35)
• Pursuit of Love and Connection: Lacking family support, he sought belonging among friends, revealing deep emotional needs beneath his hardened exterior:
  “I started trying to get love from friends… I started seeking love because I wasn’t getting it from certain parts of my family.” (13:31)
• Witnessing Violence: The trauma of witnessing his brother die in front of him as a child forever changed his outlook and relationship with the streets:

  “From that day forward, I always said, I’mma deuce on to the nigga that killed my brother… From that point on, I looked up to steppers.” (14:00–17:25)

2. The Cost of Betrayal & Loyalty in the Streets

• Family and Street Codes: Thug reflects on the complexities of loyalty, using family rifts and harsh living as metaphors for the disappointments and betrayals he’s experienced:

  “My first betrayal was hearing my auntie say she didn’t want my mom’s kids at her house—because we carried roaches. No harsh feelings, but that’s the type of shit I was dealing with as a kid.” (09:14)

• On Gunna and Others “Taking the Plea”:
  Thug speaks in detail about the legal proceedings, public allegations of “snitching,” and how he distinguishes between tactical legal moves and outright betrayal.
  • He emphasizes that only Duke did “right” by him, claiming, “Duke ain’t takin’ the plea if I don’t make him. All Duke plea did was say that Yak was right about telling on him.” (49:17)
• On losing his closest friend:
  “It’s like you having your wife… You pour your all into someone, build with them for 10 years, and then betrayal comes. That’s a pain you can’t just move on from.” (80:07)

3. Pain, Suppression, and Emotional Survival

• Difficulty Processing Pain: Thug repeatedly returns to the theme of not understanding or addressing his own trauma—until now:

  “God just made me so happy I can’t be in touch with my real feelings… I never even woke up until right now talking to you and noticed I was hurt.” (67:10, 153:53)

• Struggling with Healing: He admits to struggling with how to heal or move forward:
  “I don’t know how to heal, Bank. Somebody gotta tell me. I’m just up. That’s why I haven’t moved forward.” (160:27)
• Grief & Suppression:
  Acknowledges the cost of always being “the strong one” and the repeated trauma of betrayal at the street and family level.

4. The Aftermath of His Case: Reflection, Judgment, Regret

• Controversial Phone Calls and Interrogations:
  Thug revisits the details of his jail phone calls and interrogation videos, defending his actions, and the complexities of communicating under surveillance. He distinguishes his own actions from others', highlighting the nuanced, high-pressure decisions made in jail. (25:46–64:53)
• Legal Pressures and Myths:
  Emphasizes the realities of the criminal justice system—legal strategy vs. public perception—clarifying why he didn’t “snitch” and how he sees the court system weaponize phone calls and public info.
• On Gunna’s Plea:
  Thug explains, with frustration and sorrow, how Gunna taking the plea and stating YSL was a gang directly impacted his case:

  “With Gunna taking that plea, was it harmful to me? Yes, 100%... We’re all fighting to say YSL is NOT a gang. What’s the worst thing you can do? Say it IS a gang.” (167:50–172:40)

5. Love, Forgiveness, and the Problem with Moving On

• Still Loving Those Who Betray:
  Thug admits he can’t bring himself to hate Gunna, despite everything:

  “I poured so much into that n***a, I can’t even hate him, bro… I just thought I did in jail.” (87:23)

• The Limits of Forgiveness:
  “I wish he did something lighter so I could forgive him. But this—this was too much.” (167:06)
• Desire for Conversation, Not War:
  Expresses longing, even now, for Gunna to reach out and “explain as a man”—but feels that silence is itself an indictment. (157:08–158:33)

6. Reflections on Atlanta, Leadership, and Responsibility

• Unity vs. Division in Atlanta:
  Responding to criticism that he has “divided the city,” Thug argues he’s always worked for unity:

  “I stopped a lotta beef stuff. Got Wham and Savage on the phone to stop whatever coulda happened… at what point can anybody honestly say I stirred this pot?” (118:22, 120:25)

• Setting a Standard for the Younger Generation:
  Big Bank presses Thug on the need to set an example for Atlanta’s youth—moving beyond street codes and cycles of trauma.
  Thug acknowledges this leadership responsibility, but remains emotionally trapped:

  “Everything I’m talking about comes from trauma… The way a nigga think is untreated, dog. That’s all I’m saying.” (143:05)

• The Future:
  Despite his pain, Thug insists he wants peace for Atlanta, for everyone to “prosper,” and for new generations not to repeat his generation’s mistakes. (191:15)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“I wasn't raised by dwellers. I was raised by men that always said, keep going, no matter what. Go forward, because that's what matters.”
— Young Thug (04:00)

“From that day forward, I always said I’m a deuce on to the nigga that killed my brother. That just shaped my life.”
— Young Thug, on his brother’s death (15:44)

“I started trying to get love from friends. I started seeking love because I wasn’t getting love from certain parts of my family.”
— Young Thug (13:31)

“The crazy part is, bro, I thought I was whole. I thought I was wholesome. …This situation made me realize, damn, I’m actually fucked up.”
— Young Thug (23:54)

“You signing your initials on this one piece of paper could get me a life sentence… all this we built for ten years. How the fuck do you move on?”
— Young Thug, on betrayal (150:34)

“I poured so much into the nigga, I can’t even hate him, bro… I just thought in jail I hated him… My girl made me realize, you don’t hate him, you just mad at him.”
— Young Thug, on Gunna (87:23)

“Right is right, wrong is wrong. I don’t give a fuck what you made. …It’s about manhood, bro. We men, bro.”
— Young Thug (142:13)

“I want everybody in this world to prosper, no matter what wrong you did. …Everybody did something that wasn’t godly.”
— Young Thug, closing thoughts (194:43)

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• Earliest childhood memories, upbringing: 04:00–07:13
• First heartbreak and happy moments: 07:20–08:57
• Loss of brother and trauma: 13:31–17:25
• Thoughts on betrayal, family disputes: 09:14–13:31
• Reflection on jail, leaked phone calls and coping mechanisms: 25:46–67:10
• Gunna, YSL pleas, and legal distinctions: 49:17–104:10, 167:50–175:00
• On love, forgiveness, and not being able to move forward: 80:07, 150:23–160:05
• Unity & leadership in Atlanta rap scene: 118:22–120:25, 191:15–194:29
• Thug’s desire for peace & healing: 194:43–196:44

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Tone & Language

True to the street, the conversation is raw, confessional, and unfiltered. Both men use street language, vivid anecdotes, self-deprecating humor, and deep introspection. The episode balances bravado and vulnerability, with moments of brutal honesty and surprising openness about mental health and emotional struggle.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode stands as one of the most honest accounts of pain, growth, and survival from the heart of Atlanta’s rap scene. Young Thug details the origins of his drive, the trauma and betrayals that have shaped him, and his struggle to process loss and move forward with his life. The conversation with Big Bank is a major cultural moment—illuminating the complexity of street loyalty, the weight of leadership, and the healing required for personal and communal progress.

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Transcript

[Young Thug]

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[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

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[Jacob Schick]

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[Ashley Schick]

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[Young Thug]

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[Ashley Schick]

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[Young Thug]

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[Big Bank]

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[Young Thug]

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[Mandy Money]

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[Big Bank]

It gets no better than this. You are now in tune to Perspectives with Big Bang Bang.

[Young Thug]

Let's get straight to it.

[Big Bank]

Welcome to Perspective with Bank. Today is a very, very special day. I got a very, very special guest, the most talked about person in the world right now. Jeff, what's up with the king?

[Young Thug]

Living life, bro.

[Big Bank]

How you feeling?

[Young Thug]

I'm planning, planning, planning. That's what it's about.

[Big Bank]

Where your mental at though?

[Young Thug]

Mentally, I feel like sometimes you be up, sometimes you be down, but I feel like mentally the game that I'm in. I'm not into sports or, you know, I'm not an actor, none of that. The game I'm in, no matter what, you want all eyes on you. I feel like right now, this moment, no matter how the eyes look, the eyes can look devastating, the eyes can look betrayed. The eyes can look. However, no matter how the eyes look and the game I'm in, you want all eyes on you. No matter how they come. I always pray for that God. I want all eyes on me. I don't matter. No matter how the eyes look. I guess this is just him saying.

[Big Bank]

Hey, it don't matter how they looking.

[Young Thug]

No matter how they looking, no matter how the eyes look, a lot of the eyes gonna be like you. Dead wrong. A lot of the eyes gonna be like you. Right?

[Big Bank]

Hey, before we get into all that though, like, you know what I'm saying, what's going on? And you know, to talk, talk, whatever. That's the reason why I said, I got Jeff. I want to talk. I ain't never seen you no interview, like, speak on John Bur south with little Jeff. You know what I'm saying? Why not?

[Young Thug]

I feel like just not even on no. No supermanly shit or nothing like that. I feel like personally, I wasn't raised by. By like victims or men with. Men with. With like really, really touching feelings or like, know. I'm saying I wasn't raised by those type of men. I was raised by. I was raised like. I wasn't raised by dwellers. I was raised by men that. That always said, keep going no matter what, go forward. Cause you got to understand, My woman got 11 kids. My daddy, he couldn't sit and be in his feelings about certain things because he still got 11 people to feed, plus my mom, plus him, plus his other kids. My dad got 15 people he got to worry about every day. So he have a. He have a chance to sit back and just focus on his feelings and feel certain things. I wasn't raised like that. I was raised by a man who just was like, go forward. Because that's what matters. What matters is not sin and just being stuck in the moment and dwelling on certain things. Like, that ain't what life is about when you're living as a king. It's about going forward. I think I did that so much to the point where I forget to speak about certain things. I'd be forgetting to speak about little Jeff.

[Big Bank]

What's your. What's your earliest memory? That's great. I ain't never had nobody that question. What's your earliest memory? Like, if you could Think of your earliest memory. Like it's the first thing I remember as far as back I can remember. You know what I'm saying?

[Young Thug]

My earliest memory was Joan Bur South. My hood.

[Big Bank]

The hood.

[Young Thug]

I'm from the project. I'm from Joan Bur South. My brother umfum, Free Umfum, my brother, he. He burned the house down playing with matches. Cause you know when you in the project, you got that big ass long metal heater connected to the wall that come in. The little snake looking heater, he playing with matches on that. And it burnt down. The whole building though, ain't even burned down, just our apartment. It burnt down the whole building. That's my first memory.

[Big Bank]

Like real life, you know, coming up. Like, what's, what's the first time you knew, like that was your first. That's your first. What type of memory would you say that is? Good or bad or in between?

[Young Thug]

Bro, we were raised so different. You too, bro. Men like you raised me, even if it's from a distance. I always looked up to real street dudes, real guys who run the street and this and that. I always looked up to this. So, man, like, I don't even look at that like it's bad. I look at that like a fun memory. Like, damn, that's how fucked up we are, bro. That's how we raised. Like that nigga burnt down the house. I don't even look at it like it's bad. I looked at, I looked up to him for that. Like, damn. But he didn't know how to set a fire. Use some now, but then know how to set a fire at four at five years old, he not a set of fire. I'm asking him how the hell you said how you do it. I'm telling you, that's how we raised brother. How this is how we was raised. For real. So I know your first. I know you got some crazy memories.

[Big Bank]

I was just saying when I asked you the question, I was just trying to think of mine, my first one. But I can't. But I often say, what's your first?

[Young Thug]

What's your first happy moment in life? Yeah, my first happy moment was when my mama moved out the projects to a house. When my mom moved into our first house instead of apartments, I was like, damn, bro, we got a house. The house was smaller than apartment. My mama had got a four bedroom house. The apartment was five bedroom.

[Big Bank]

It's saying, not feeling so confined no more like around a bunch of people. Now we got, we got rid of.

[Young Thug]

Some grass, like But I got gray, I got a yard, I got neighbors, like. Like houses. Like, I'm waking up, getting on the school bus in front of my house instead of the project. It was wrecked across the street from the project, though. But so it's just like, you know. But that was like one of my first happy, happy moments. And that I remember, like, as a kid.

[Big Bank]

What's your first saddest moment?

[Young Thug]

I used to go with this girl named Santana in Pool Creek. That's when we moved out of Jon Burr South. I moved out of Joan Bur south when I was like three, four years old. We moved to Poole Creek, which is right around the corner from Jonesboro South. And I started going with the girl that stayed like two apartments down from me. Her name Santana. I was going with her. Like, we probably like five, six years old, like kids. I was going with her and we were sitting on a bench and I. I think I was talking to another girl and she got named. And she hit me with a stick. With a sword, with a real log. Scored me right here, right here. Hit me with a law.

[Big Bank]

Made you sad?

[Young Thug]

Yeah, because it was like, like, dang, she broke up with me. I'm like, damn, I love my girlfriend.

[Big Bank]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What about. What's the first time you feel like you felt betrayed, like, as a kid coming up or whatever?

[Young Thug]

My first betrayal was like. Cause I'm a kid, so I wasn't introduced to the world or like niggas or friends and shit. You know, you like, you confined to just your household and departments you live in. So my first betrayal was probably like, my other family members, like, me hearing my auntie say, you know, she don't want my mom kids at her house. Cause we just too deep. Like, we got roaches and in our house, our clothes got roaches. So we might come to her house and. And some roach you might come out of our. Now she got roaches in the house. And I understand it, you know. No, no harsh feelings, but you know, that type of the. That I am, that's the type of I was dealing with in life as a kid. I was dealing with that. Like, my mama got so many children to the point where her sisters and brothers, like, man, man, hell no, we don't even want to deal with y'. All. No, sir. Too many of y' all there. They wouldn't even know. No, it's just like, she like, man, I got three. A three bedroom apartment. I'm goddamn raising my kids a certain way. Y' all over here, y' all grown to hell. Y' all doing what y' all want to do. And like hell, now, we don't want that over here. I want my kids to grow up, you know, a certain. A different way. So I get it, you know what I'm saying? But that's the type of I was dealing with. Like, that was my first, like, betrayal. Just like he and my auntie say she didn't want us at our house. We got them. We carry roaches.

[Big Bank]

Damn. Hey, we had roaches like, a too, of course.

[Young Thug]

But, hey, my auntie, them did too. But she. She was. She. It was so. They was so small, so she was able to stimulate them. She was able to get rid of certain shit.

[Big Bank]

She just got a little bit.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, she had roaches because she lived in the project. She was clean as a. She ain't had them. A3 kid. All them respectful, cool people, kid. Cool kids, all that. So she can contain, like, what's going on her house. We just so deep. It's just like, y' all finna come over here. We are. We broke ahead. We don't got. We got this smaller. A smaller amount of food stamps than your mama. My mama got a lot of food stamps. Cause she got a lot of kids. My mama, like, man, we got 300amonth worth of food stamps. Y' all come in here, y' all eat all the goddamn food. Cause y' all just deep. Y' all ain't even trying to do no bullshit yet. Y' all eat all the food. Now we. Now my family don't, you know, just like, that type of shit, you know?

[Big Bank]

You know, until recently, like, and a lot of people who watching, they probably been watching me. They see, like, bank different. I feel like I'm different. I know I'm different now. Like, at first, I was. I was trying to trick myself into being different and end up working. You get what I'm saying? So. And I started realizing certain shit. Like, damn, bank, this how you felt about this? Or this what shaped you or this what made you start to think like this and this what made you. You know what I'm saying? Like, so how do you think Lil Jeff impacted Young Thug? A few things.

[Young Thug]

It was a few reasons. A few things. Like, from legit, from me being Little Jeff impacted Young Thug. Like, some of the. That I just spoke on. Like, that made me, like, love people more because I seen, like, some part. Some parts of my family, like, not having the. The gratitude and, like, love that. That I wanted as a kid. Like, I actually love my auntie I actually love my cousin, my cousins from my auntie kids. I actually love them and my mama. We were so deep. My mama always taught us like, love, love, bro. Y' all supposed to be with each other and we'll never go against Defoe. Love, love, you know, so those type of situations impact the impact. Lil Jeff to Young Thug. Just like, I'm telling you, you gotta think we. My mama got a five bedroom apartment. We 11 deep. All 11 of us live in five bedroom. So I'm sleeping in the same bed with four other people. The four youngest kids my mama got sleeping in one bed. Then the middle three sleeping in two beds in their room. They got two different beds in their room in one room, then the other. It's like that. So we were group. We. I grew up off of like, you gotta love one another. We ain't had nothing. We was literally damn near junkies. Like, we ain't had nothing in the world. We do. I'm telling you, when I ain't bomb. Not like, not junkies, but like bones, you know what I'm saying? Like junkie shit.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, yeah.

[Young Thug]

Like we don't got nothing. Like, I wear my sister clothes.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

To school. My sister, then I gotta drop out of school just so I can wear her clothes. And people don't know that I'm wearing her clothes.

[Big Bank]

That's what I'm saying. How them circumstances, like, in what way did that, like, what way? What it make you feel like?

[Young Thug]

It made me feel like I just wanted. It made me feel like my aunties and shit. Like aunties and uncles and stuff. Treating my mama family a certain way. It made me like, want love so bad. That's when I started meeting friends. That's when I started wanting love from like, other people besides my sisters and brothers. I started, like, I started trying to get love from my friends. I started trying to get. I started getting. You know what I'm saying? Like, it just made me just seek love. I started seeking love because I wasn't getting love from like certain parts of my family.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

It shaped me in that way. And then a few more ways. Like I watched my brother die in front of me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I watched my brother die in front of me. Run. Eight, nine years old, little boy, kid.

[Big Bank]

What happened?

[Young Thug]

He got killed. My brother got killed on deal on Deal Avenue. My brother ended up getting some. Doing some gambling. He stopped my other. He stopped uncle from gambling. And then he kind of slapped me from ground like, get the on come from like 1112 years old. Look, he was a kid. He gambling with some grown ass men, though. So he go up there to stop my brother from gambling, and he started gambling. He ended up winning all the money. So when he leave, one of his friend, he'll. One of his friends goddamn call him and tell him, like, bro, don't come back up here. These might. They're gonna take the money back for you if you come back. Cause he took my brother. Like, yeah, I'm gonna go home right there. I'll be right back. Y' all don't stop gambling. I'll be right back. So he walked down the street to the house, and his friend called him. Like, man, don't come back up here. Then they got down, which is which. Some people will look at like, nah, that's. They ain't. No, that's real. But him, he knew my brother. He was my brother best friend. He knew my brother gangster. He's standing on it off top. You tell my brother some gonna do something to him. Don't come back. He going right back. Cause the thing about it, he wasn't even coming back. He had won all the money. He won like 9,000. It's a little kid. He won like 9,000. He. His. His friend knew he wasn't coming back. Like, he, like, made him come back by telling him a finna, like, he gonna rob him. So he go right back up there and shoot a who finna. He go right back up there. Hey, hey, Ty. Who? Who just said who? You just called me and said they gonna rob me. Who? Who you said gonna rob me? The Tyler. What? The man who you said gonna rob me. You just called me, said, one of these might rob me. That's how the. That's how the situation start.

[Big Bank]

He shot a. Your brother?

[Young Thug]

Yeah. He shot two, he shot three. He shot his friend, and then he shot the two that killed him. K. Friend. Well, acting like a. He was acting like a whole, like, not want to tell him who said he was gonna rob him? His friend like, man, bro, you tripping. You tripping. Boom. Shoot him. Oh, then when he shoot him, he started saying, man, didn't say him, bro, he these two. So he started shooting at these. Then he take off running. He had a police siren. He take off running. Them niggas got them started back, shooting back. Shot him in the back while he was running. Ran down the street a little bit and fell on the ground. And just like, you know, he just on the ground gasping like, man, hurry up. Get me in the car. Give me the Car take him to the hospital. He was telling us. I feel like I'm dying. Like, I'm telling you. I feel like I'm dying, bro. I feel everything's slowing down. My heart rate, everything's slowing down. I feel like I'm down. Y' all gotta. You know what I'm saying? I'm right here, bro. Little boy, I'm looking at my mama holding hand. Like, he going and shot my mama like beanie, like, son, you hear me? You hear me? And he just, like, choking up blood. But he, like, you can see trying to. He trying to say something. Like, he let her know. Like, I hear you. He's trying to say something, but he can't talk. So my mama, like, you hear me? Squeeze my hand. I'm holding one of his hand. My mama holding the other hand. She like, if you hear me, squeeze my hand, son, squeeze my hand. Don't go, son. You squeezing our hand. I'm like, he's still. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm looking at this as a kid, bro. Like, so from that day forward, I always said I'm a deuce. On to the. That killed my brother. That just shaped my life. That made me from. Because I played football. I looked up to Michael Vick. I played football. I wanted to rap. I looked on Lil Wayne. I looked at the Michael V. I looked at the hot boys. That just shaped me from all that. From that point on, I looked up to, like, steppers. I looked up to. From my hood, from John Burst out there, handle their business. That just made me a whole different person. That one situation. I was never, like, nine years old. I was a kid.

[Big Bank]

So from that point on, how you like looking back on, like, what changed? Like, what changed in you?

[Young Thug]

Me, from that day, what changed in me was the way I viewed, like, niggas. That wasn't from where I'm from. Cause that's what it boiled down to. Like a John Versace nigga got killed by a DL Avenue nigga. So that just started making me be like, man, you ain't from Jon Versailles, nigga. You know what's happening now? We living that type of life. So that I'm saying, like, the situations I was in shaped me in so many ways. Ain't shaped me one way because it was so many different situations, different scenarios to a point where it shaped me so many different ways. Like me not getting the proper love for my entire family. Family made me seek love from. And women. Me seeing my brother get killed shaped me to how I View in the street how I view like, you know what I'm saying? It's me playing foot. My daddy like moving me away. Like I ain't never wrote the school, but my dad took me to school every day. I had a real father. I never wrote a school bus. That shaped me to being a man, like, but I'm be a man. My dad is there this doing what he doing. He used to do what he do back in the day to hustle to get his money, whatever, whatever. Like, I looked at all that type of like, damn, he, he a real man because he's still trying to do whatever he can do to feed all these kids. And he's still taking time out to like take me to school every day and come get me from school every day because he just wanted me to be that far away from the streets, you know what I'm saying? Like, that shaped me in a different way to being the dad that I am to my kids. That shaped me in a different way, you know, just, just so many different scenarios just shape me. Like every. I look at my mama cry every year on my brother birthday, bro, that died three days for my birthday. His funeral was on my birthday. I think I remember my 10th birthday. A funeral. I'm going to a Funeral on my 10th birthday, bro. My brother who just told me before he left out the house and died, I'm gonna get a hundred dollar for your birthday. I'm looking at that like, nigga, I still wake up right now today. I still want my $100 from my brother. Can't get it. It just, it just certain shit just shaped me certain way, bro. Just, you know what I'm saying?

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

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[Jacob Schick]

I had this like overwhelming sensation that I had to call her right then and I just hit call, said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick, I'm the CEO of One Tribe foundation and I just wanted to call and let her know, know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling and there is help out there.

[Ashley Schick]

The Good Stuff Podcast Season two takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non profit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join hosts Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission.

[Young Thug]

I was married to a combat army veteran and he actually took his own wife to Surfside. One Tribe saved my life twice.

[Big Bank]

There's a lot of love that flows through this place and it's sincere now.

[Young Thug]

It's a personal mission. Don't have to go to any more funerals.

[Jacob Schick]

You know, I got blown up on a react mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head.

[Young Thug]

Welcome to season two of the Good Stuff.

[Ashley Schick]

Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Young Thug]

Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace.

[Mandy Money]

You discover the depths of your mother's.

[Young Thug]

Illness, the way it has echoed and reverberated throughout your life, impacting your very legacy. Hi, I'm Dani Shapiro and these are just a few of the profound and powerful stories I'll be mining on our.

[Mandy Money]

12Th season of Family Secrets.

[Young Thug]

With over 37 million downloads, we continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. I can't wait to share 10 powerful new episodes with you. Stories of tangled up identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for this new season of Family Secrets.

[Mandy Money]

Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on.

[Young Thug]

The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Big Bank]

A foot washed up, a shoe with.

[Young Thug]

Some bones in it.

[Big Bank]

They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good.

[Young Thug]

From the fire that not a whole lot was salvageable.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

These are the coldest of cold cases. But everything is about to change.

[Young Thug]

Every case that is a cold case.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

That has DNA right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime. A small lab in Texas is cracking the code on DNA using new scientific tools. They're finding clues in evidence so tiny you Might just miss it.

[Young Thug]

He never thought he was going to get caught.

[Ashley Schick]

And I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors, and you'll meet the team behind the scenes at othram, the Houston lab that takes on the most hopeless cases to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Big Bank]

So when you look at. When you look at yourself, like, when you reflect and just look at yourself, how you see yourself right now as a person. Like, if you had to judge you how you see yourself.

[Young Thug]

The crazy part is, bro, I thought I was whole. I thought I was wholesome. I thought I was, like, the perfect man into this situation. This situation at hand right now made me realize, like, damn, bro, I'm actually up. Like, I was just so. God just created me to be so happy to the point where I know how to, like, get beyond problems. I just always was happy. My whole trial, I just was happy. Hell, because it's just like, I ain't got no reason to be happy, but it's just like, God just. I'm just a happy person. I'm just a natural happy person. I could have got a life sentence and went to prison for the rest of my life, and I would. Y' all would have been seeing me in prison on photos. Just happened because I think God just created me. Like, I'd be mad at God sometimes for that. Like, hey, bro, why you created me just, like, so happy to the point where I can't be in touch with my real feelings.

[Big Bank]

But do you think that type goddamn make it a well? Cause I'm gonna keep it real with this line. Like, coming out of jail, and we're like, man, what the is this doing, bro? Like, it's like, you ain't. You want to learn. You ain't learned your lesson. And all this going on, hearing he calls, talking on the phone. Like, what the hell wrong with this? Like, you know, a try, nigga. I know you was in the praying, right?

[Young Thug]

Absolutely.

[Big Bank]

Like, it's like, do you not understand your prayers got answered?

[Young Thug]

Yeah, you understand that. But you also. You also listening to people tell you, like, well, you the wizard. You ain't going to prison. And then you. You gotta understand, man, I was in jail three years, bro. Like, I was praying three whole years. @ some point, I started thinking, like, the prayers ain't working. You gotta understand that, too. Like, I'm going through every day. I'm looking at my best friend. Them do what they do. I'm looking at this. I'm looking at certain shit, and it's making me feel how I'm feeling. Like I ain't never been a to pillow talk. I ain't never been a to talk about nobody else in my life on the phone with nobody else. I've never been that type of nigga. I've been. These last few days, I've been sitting around, like, what the was I thinking? Like, what I was doing?

[Big Bank]

You said you were saying that.

[Young Thug]

I think I was just so up, and I just felt like it was just over. Like, I'm just sitting in jail 24 hours on 23 and 1. I'm in a cell 23 hours. Like, at this point, I'm just like, man, I don't give a fuck. Life ain't. It ain't what I'm thinking. It is Like, I'm just talking now at this point. I'm just talking at this point, I'm just holding conversations with my girl. But the crazy part is, all these conversations that I had on the phone, I also had with the same niggas who I was talking about on the phones. So that's why it don't seem weird between us, me and them. Cause I done held these same conversations with Wayne. I don't hurt he had these same conversations with Savage. How I feel about him, how I feel about Wham, How I feel about this, how I feel about every situation. We talk like me and we brothers. We talk. They tell me how they feel about certain things. So we all align. We won. We what? We here. But you got to understand, like, my standpoint. I'm locked up, nigga. I'm on the phone talking to my girl every day. This the only person I'm talking to on the phone. This is the only person that I can talk to. Like, I can't even talk to my family because they just like, how they is. It ain't good for my case. They can be on the phone. They don't understand certain things. So if I be on the phone with them, they might say the wrong thing on the phone. So now I can't talk to them. Now I can't talk to Bank. I don't want the police to get on bank. Now. I can't talk to Wham. I don't want the police get on him now. I don't want the police get on Savage. I don't want the police to get on Pluto. It's just so much shit in my mind to the point where I'm just like, I'm confining myself. I mean not confined. I'm like trapping myself to just communicate with one person. And then I might go to court and just get body slammed by the motherfucking judge, bro. And then I just gotta come back to the jail. Now I'm on the phone with somebody that I love, whoever it is I'm on the phone with. And they like man, goddamn. Or you know, goddamn. They say this right here been no pulling up on, bro, they need to pull up. Of course. I'm just like, bro, I just got body slammed out of jail. I'm just feeling how I'm feeling, bro. I'm just saying what I'm saying. Like I ain't even tripping on that. I'm just saying what I'm saying. And I done told all these, these.

[Big Bank]

Same things, but looking back on it, how you feel? You just said goddamn like damn, you feel like you were tripping.

[Young Thug]

I feel like I was tripping but I feel like because I ain't never did like that. I ain't never pillow talked with no girl ever in life. I ain't never in my life had no conversation with no girl about no nothing ever until jail. And I've been trying to figure out like why the hell was I even doing that. And then I just had to like think back to when I was in jail. Cause I did a long time in jail so I know how to think right back to when I was in jail right now.

[Big Bank]

So you've been reflecting.

[Young Thug]

Hell yeah. And that's another thing I don't even want to do. That's why I don't even respect the phone call shit coming out. Cause all it do is make me think about when I was in jail, going through fight my fight for my life. All they do is make my girl think about those long ass conversations on the phone. On the phone we praying and we doing and hoping that I can get away from this and come out of it. Like that's the weird part about this that's happening. Like this all this y', all this just like a fun, fun moment in the memes on the Internet and trying to just like torn my existence and just my real, my real life to like just, just to have fun with it but not knowing like, but this traumatizing the hell this got down make me remember when I was in jail. This make me remember those dark ass days and moments I had, bro, this made my girl cry. She ain't even tripping about what we saying on the phone. We said, whatever I say, I say twice. I'm a grown man. I'm a man. Whatever I say, I say twice. And I done said it to every. They know that. So I ain't tripping on that part. I'm tripping on just like, the world not knowing that I'm tripping on the world, just, oh, well, look at this. Oh, hey, y', all, Here go another phone call. It's just like, bro, y' all don't understand what's going on.

[Big Bank]

Let me say this. If you won, you knowing with knowing that you told these people and you was on the side, how would you look at that if you was from the sideline, just listening slime on the phone, on a jail phone, talking to Savage, talking to your girl, just by, like, everything. How would you look at that if. If you didn't know like you said, you know, you don't told the same people this. How would you look at it?

[Young Thug]

It depends. If I was on the sideline and I never been in that situation, like, no jail or fight for my life, I probably would look at it how people looking at it. That ain't never been through shit.

[Big Bank]

Okay?

[Young Thug]

They probably looking at it like, man, you some bullshit. Why the hell you talking about? But if I was a nigga that had experienced certain shit, I would look at it another way. But. And me, personally, me, I'm a smart man. I know how to think. So if I see somebody else going through this, I'm the type of person that'd be like, damn, I want to know what he think. Like, I want to hear what he was feeling. Like, why you do this? Why you. Why you said this shit on these phone calls? Why you were saying this shit on your phone call? Because everything on the phone call came from questions being asked.

[Big Bank]

Are they just putting out your part? How you. Who you think putting them putting up. Putting that shit up?

[Young Thug]

I don't know. You know, I be looking at it like, some of the niggas that's, like, mad that I'm pushing. Grown man business. I'm pushing. We ain't telling nobody. We ain't no wrecks. We ain't doing it. It might be people that's like. That's like, you know, it might be stemming from that.

[Big Bank]

Cause do you think you inviting that energy, though?

[Young Thug]

Yeah, 100% overly. Yeah, overly. But me just knowing how this world is, even if I wasn't inviting the energy, it still happened. It still would happen.

[Big Bank]

You can't just say that.

[Young Thug]

I know it. You can't just. Because you got to think before the world even seen an interrogation video of me or anything. Jail. Cause I had already got leaked. Jail car got leaked when I was in jail.

[Big Bank]

Interrogation shit was already out too, though, right?

[Young Thug]

I'm just saying all this shit was happening while I was in jail, so I can't.

[Big Bank]

I don't think it would be me personally, bro. This is for me to use line. I don't think it would be. It's like right now. Yeah, interrogation came out too. And it was, you know, some in there. We're gonna talk about. There was some in there like, damn, slime. Why you say that? What the hell wrong with you? But at the end of the day, I'm saying wouldn't want to be like, yeah, man, that if it didn't come with. You gotta think, bro, if people's out here in the like, free slime to the death. Like, can't wait till you get out. But then you got out. It was like, he ain't learned. He's still on. He's still the same. He want to go back just off of tweets and dissing and you know what I'm saying that just. They're just like, damn, bro. Like, are you. Bro, you just. You just did some. Don't do. You just got them came home on some. We got them damn near everybody telling ain't supposed to make it back and you back. That's God. So it's like, damn the unit. It's like the universe too. What's making to me. Making it like, yeah, spank him.

[Young Thug]

I think personally, no matter what I came out of jail and did, it still would have came out one day. Me personally, I understand what you're saying because it still came out. When the whole world looked at me as a real nigga. My jail phone call got leaked.

[Big Bank]

They weren't pushing no narrative then, though.

[Young Thug]

It don't fuck the narrative. I'm just saying coming out no matter what. I feel like no matter what, it still would have came out. I know it would have been. You know what I'm saying? I feel like he still would have. No matter what, bro. No matter what, I would have got out of jail and did. It still would have came out just cause it was public record. Cause at the end of the day, when the first shit came out, when the first few jail calls came out, or me and my girl just talking this shit, when those first few jail phones. Jail call came out, nigga, my Team got in touch with the Cub county people and stopped all of it. Like, shut down the whole system. Now you can't go get none of that shit. Okay, so what they tell you? Somebody been had it, they got it back then, and they just waiting to release it. No matter what I would have came out doing, it still would have got released.

[Big Bank]

What about, like.

[Young Thug]

Cause you can't go on the Internet and get it right now. You can't go on Cobb county website and get it. It's been shut down for a year and a half.

[Big Bank]

What about, like, contradicting shit? Like, they say you tweeted that you told y' all to take the oomph. Oomph. Take the plea.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, and.

[Big Bank]

But on the call, you told Savage, I ain't told that nigga that. Like, so that's like, credibility. Like, damn, slime. You said this, but this, you tweeted this. God damn. What one is it?

[Young Thug]

Yeah, I overstand that. And the thing is, just say, I'm in jail fighting for my life. This just for people that don't know the law.

[Big Bank]

Okay?

[Young Thug]

I got co defendants. I got 28 CO defendants. I got 28 on the case with me. We can't have contact. We can't talk to each other. We can't be around each other. When I go to court, they got me on a whole nother place side of the courthouse. They got these on different sides of the courthouse. Nobody is around each other because we co defenders. We get another charge if we talk to each other. We can't talk to each other. So when I'm on the phone, a like, Savage, he know what he know about the law, but it's some things that he don't know about the law. So that's what slowed me down from calling niggas from jail. Cause he on the phone just having a normal conversation with his brother, and he just want to know what's going on. Like, see, I just want to know what's going on, bro. Like, you seen your brother plea? You seen this? You know, he don't know the law. He don't know the side of the law where I got a co defendant, and I can't talk to him. So if I get on the phone in a. On a jail call and tell Savage, yeah, I talked to. I told him to take a plea, that's another charge on me, because I don't supposed to have contact with. So when I'm on a jail call talking to Savage, I got to say, no, hell, I ain't told that Nigga do that. Hell no. Because they. All they gonna do is take that jail call and play it in court. Now I gotta attempt the court charge. So when I'm. When I'm in the jail. When I'm in the jail, I can't say it. And when I'm in the jail, I'm like, hell, I ain't told no. Take no plea. No, I ain't did it because I gotta do that. I'm on trial. I don't supposed to have no contact with him. If I say I told my brother to take the charge, all they gonna say is, how you told your brother that you must talk to your brother. Boom. The lawyer can get in trouble. All type of can happen. I'm on the phone off top. Hell no, I ain't tell that nigga take no charge. No. I mean, I ain't tell him to take the plea, no. But when the case over, can't nothing happen to me by saying that. So when the case over, hey, let me clear this up just for the world to know. Cause I told Savage no. I told Pluto no. Like, I told a few niggas who asked me, like, hey, bro, you told your brother to do that? I'm like, hell no, I ain't telling you to do that. So. So obviously, niggas that I fuck with in the streets, in the. In the world, they looking at it like, all right, your brother did what wrong? You ain't tell your brother to do that. So I gotta clean that up. Cause I really did tell him. After the case.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Young Thug]

After the case. Hey, hell no. I overly told him to take the.

[Big Bank]

Charge, but because it definitely looked like, damn, they took the same plea. So how the hell you gonna just single gun out? You know what I'm saying?

[Young Thug]

You know why? But you was done talking.

[Big Bank]

Nah, go ahead.

[Young Thug]

The reason why I differentiate his plea from day plea is that's like. That's like you telling your son to do something versus you not telling your son nothing, and he do something. I told my brother to take the plea. We had a week and a half conversation talking a week and a half every day in court. My first time seeing the niggas, and we've been in jail, we crying each other all type of. I'm like, bro, get the on this. Been in prison whole life. You think they didn't give a. About going to prison, but that a man, gangster stand on that. Home don't give a damn about no sentence. Home told me every. Every day in court. He told me, hell, no, why you tripping, bro? Boy, I'm rocking you my brother. You my real live brother. Like my mama had your mama and my. We got the same mama. You my brother. If you go to prison forever, I'm going to prison forever. That he's just a freak. That's how you looking at it. Hell, no. I'm crying to the every day, bro. Please, bro. You jack out of prison, bro. You just did 12 and a half years. Get the on, bro, please, bro, I'm on the phone. My mama, my mama crying every day, man. Both of my son, man. Bro, y' all come back to me. I don't give a what happened. Y' all need to come back to me now. I'm telling my brother gone, you gotta get that one, bro. I'm gonna be all right. I'm good. I'm a man. But I'm standing on mine. I'm gonna be all right. I need you to go, bro. That funny crying to me by bro, you understanding what you telling me to do, bro? No, I'm a man that had a life sentence for not telling. He not a rat. No matter how you gonna look at nothing. This did a life, then had a life. Plus 10 prison sentence for not telling. They got this on the phone.

[Big Bank]

Plus 10 for the crime.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, for not telling.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

No, they know he didn't do it.

[Big Bank]

Oh, they know he didn't do it.

[Young Thug]

They know he ain't do it. He got a license. You know how that. That judicial system here, bro. They know they got the nigga who did the murder on the phone two days after he did the murder, talking to somebody on the phone like, man, y' all need to stop playing my money. I just had to step on the other a few days ago playing my money. They got him on a. On a wired phone call saying this. They know who did the murder. They know who committed the murder. When. When we had cameras at the house when the murder got committed. My brother was in the house. In the house sleep when. When this happened. They got cameras from like people, other people houses. And of my brother leaving out the house after the murder. His best friends them was. Was convicted of doing the murder and they was in my mama car. My brother still in. In court every day of his life. Still to this day. Tell told the judge, I don't know them. The judge like, dumbass. We got phone calls with you and them on the phone. We got a phone call with you and them the night of the murder. They just talking about other. Just talking about going to the Club fucking with hoes, all that. And the just like, I'm gonna pull up, I'm come get you. The dodging coming to my house. Cause he know my mom gonna ask for her car. So he like, man, you gotta walk around the corner, get in the car. Like, they on real phone calls on each other. My brother still in this fighting every day saying, I don't know them. They lying on me. The judge just talked it to him just because of that. Like, oh, you. You playing game. They. They offer that immunity. They know he do it. They offer him immunity. Hey, man, you tell exactly what him. Cause they saying one of the N saying you brought the gun to them. One of the N saying, it's three of them. One of the niggas saying unfun did the shooting. One of the niggas saying unfun didn't do the shoe. He just brought us the gun. They like, why y' all didn't just come to the house and get the gun? Cause we was in his mama car, and we. If we would have pulled up in the driveway, his mama would have made us leave her car. So we called Unfu and told him, hey, come around the corner and meet us and bring us the gun. We finna go to the club. They just like, hey, bring my fight. We're gonna go to the club, Bro got them supposed. I don't know if he did it or not. Cause he still ain't told me today. I don't know if he did or not take them to gun. But when he take them the gun, they gone. They ride off and going like they're gonna go to the club and do what they doing. But they. They end up. Well, that's what the court say. I don't know. I don't know the case. The court said that they roll up some Michigan and one of the Mexican book, and they shot him and the Mexican died. I don't know if that's true or not. I'm not saying it's true, but this is what the case was. They saying my brother took the gun to them and then they. And then one of them killed the Mexican. Which we don't know if that's true or not. Cool. Goddamn. They got one of the Mexican that didn't get shot. One of them got killed. And one of them they let run on, run away. The one that ran away said, my brother is about. I think about 5, 7, 5 8. Red is a real Mexican Chinese. The. The Mexican that that was, that didn't get shot. Said the third Guy that walked up was a tall black man with a ski mask on that they said, how you know he black if he had a ski mask on? He said, I seen his hands, his hand was black. So my brother off top, everybody know that ain't him. They know 100 he didn't. That he didn't do the murder. He just got a license. Cause he didn't wouldn't tell. They granted him immunity. I don't then take it. Man. Y' all to wet. I don't know what happened. I don't know nothing about that. I'm telling you bro, just man to man. I can't put no, I can't put no rat on him. I can't. I'm telling you. I seen shot stand up in the. And shot of a 17 years old shot. It was a kid shout stood up in the paint, bro. Shot of got a life sentence.

[Big Bank]

So let me ask you something. Did his plea say the same? Ghana police say like is it the same. Like did he had to agree to the same?

[Young Thug]

Guess what you wouldn't believe, man, I ain't never seen you. Please. I ain't never seen.

[Big Bank]

Bro, please just handle your business. Go home.

[Young Thug]

I told him. Cause he still. He had did 12 years on the murder. And then his lawyer got it got him a new trial. Like, oh he. They fucked up in trial. The lawyer got him a new trial. So now he out of jail waiting to get tried for the murder again. They ain't gonna never try him for the murder again. Cause they know it ain't nothing he doing.

[Big Bank]

He ain't do that.

[Young Thug]

So he wasn't gonna never get tried for it again. They were gonna, they were gonna just like goddamn keep resetting the trial date for the rest of your life. He would never go into court again. That's what the lawyers say. Like it's. They ain't, they ain't gonna do nothing with that case. They can't beat him. So I told him, well, if you do take the plea, make sure they add your murder case in the plea. Make sure they dismiss your murder case in the plea. Cause you still, you still gotta do a new trial.

[Big Bank]

I'm saying they did that.

[Young Thug]

I don't think they did it. I think when he, when they went to them with the plea, I think they were like, the, the plea is out of the murder shit. Don't. We can't do nothing about the murder shit. If they, if they could, they would have. But the state was like, we can't do nothing about the murder shit. Like It's a new trial. Like we. It ain't nothing. We can't get involved in that. That's up to the court. So I guess that's what they like, we can't add that shit enough. So that's when he like, I'm definitely doing a plea then. Now we having a week and a half conversation every day, bro. In court every day. I smack sitting in the cell crying like, bro, please gotta go, bro. My dude don't people I didn't mind E folk ain't function gone. One of us need to go right now. I don't need you right here with me. You just did 12 and a half. I don't need you right here with me, brother. Gonna be three, four years process. I don't need you doing that, bro.

[Big Bank]

So who. Who, who did what's right on that case?

[Young Thug]

Everybody who owned the case did what right? Except the who took the police in the beginning of the case. Except them, the niggas who took the pleas in the case. That's who did. What's wrong? They. They took the plea and agreed that YSL was a gang. They saying that we got a RICO and YSL is a criminal street game. All of us on this trial, all 28 of us. And YSL is not a criminal street game because by the. The book of. The book of gangs, the. The law that got that solidify you as a game. We don't. We don't none of. We don't. We don't come to terms with none of that. So it ain't a game in real life. It's really not a game when it comes to the game.

[Big Bank]

Did some on their own.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, it's just a lot of crimes that happen and they just saying, oh, why sell a game off of all these crimes that happen? What? The law that makes organization again. The law that makes an organization a game. We don't meet none of the criteria, so we not a game. No matter how y' all try to twist it. We not a game. You see what I'm saying? We got every lawyer in this saying, we not a game.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered black women and girls in America. There are several ways we can all do better at protecting black women. My contribution is shining a light on our missing sisters and amplifying their disregarded stories. Stories like Tameka Anderson. As she drove toward Galvez, she was in contact with several people talking on the phone as she made her way to what should have been a routine transaction. But Tameka never bought the car, and she never returned home that day. One podcast, one Mission. Save our Girls. Join the search as we explore the chilling cases of missing and murdered black women and girls. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Big Bank]

A foot washed up, a shoe with.

[Young Thug]

Some bones in it.

[Big Bank]

They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good.

[Young Thug]

From the that not a whole lot was salvageable.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

These are the coldest of cold cases. But everything is about to change.

[Young Thug]

Every case that is a cold case.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

That has DNA right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime. A small lab in Texas is cracking the code on DNA using new scientific tools. They're finding clues in evidence so tiny you might just miss it.

[Young Thug]

He never thought thought he was going to get caught.

[Ashley Schick]

And I just looked at my computer screen, I was just like, ah, gotcha.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors and you'll meet the team behind the scenes at othram, the Houston lab that takes on the most hopeless cases to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mark Lombardo]

What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced.

[Big Bank]

He said, you are a number, a.

[Young Thug]

New York state number, and we own you.

[Mark Lombardo]

Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months.

[Big Bank]

The first night was overwhelming and you don't know who's next to you and we didn't know what to expect from the the morning nobody tells you anything.

[Mark Lombardo]

Listen to shock incarceration on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Honey German]

Hola, it's Honey German and my podcast Gracias. Come Again is back. This season we're going even deeper into the world of music and entertainment with raw and honest conversations with some of your favorite Latin artists and celebrities. You didn't have to audition.

[Big Bank]

No, I didn't audition. I have an audition in Nicoba 24 Ibiz.

[Honey German]

Oh, wow. That's a real G talk right there.

[Big Bank]

Oh, yeah.

[Honey German]

We've got some of the biggest actors, musicians, content creators and culture shifters sharing their real stories of failure and success. You were destined to be a star. We talk all about what's viral and trending with a little bit of chisme, a lot of laughs, and those amazing vivas you've come to expect. And of course, we'll explore deeper topics dealing with identity struggles and all the issues affecting our Latin community. You feel like you get a little whitewashed because you have to do the code switching?

[Big Bank]

I won't say whitewashed because at the end of the day, you know, I'm me.

[Young Thug]

Yeah.

[Big Bank]

But the whole pretending and co, you know, it takes a toll on you.

[Honey German]

Listen to the new season of Grass has come again as part of Michael Tura podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Big Bank]

So who you look at in that shit that took the plea that you let. Oh, I can see how he took the. Please, nobody. Duke, okay? Nobody else. All right? Because.

[Young Thug]

And I ain't like saying, oh, he didn't goddamn do us wrong or he didn't do this. One thing I know is he ain't taking the plea. If I don't make him take the plea, he ain't stunting that plea.

[Big Bank]

So why Duke ain't wrong? I just want to know, like, why?

[Young Thug]

Because Duke plea was from Duke. All Duke said in his plea, he didn't say why. I said it was a gang. And none of that. All Duke plea did was said that Yak was right about telling on him about what they talk about. Duke plea was just what Yak already had told the police about him. You see what I'm saying?

[Big Bank]

Hold on. So hold on, hold on, hold on. You said Duke just agreed to what Yak said?

[Young Thug]

Yes, Duke Yak.

[Big Bank]

You saying Yak threw Duke up on the bus? He just said the telling the truth, homie.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, because if he say that he not then yet got to take the stand on him because Yak plea agreement said he got to take the stand if Dukes go to trial. That was a part of his plea.

[Big Bank]

What I'm saying on that case. So, yeah, say ain't nobody. He. He was on Big Face. He said nobody ain't go to jail for what he.

[Young Thug]

He said.

[Big Bank]

He just was in there running him mouth and what's the name? Interrogation room. So how you. What you mean testify.

[Young Thug]

When him and Duke caught their case? Duke was Going to trial, what kind.

[Big Bank]

Of case it was.

[Young Thug]

Goddamn. They got caught in a, in a car. They had no license. They had two guns on them. Okay. And they went on high speed chase. They took Georgia State Patrol on high speed chase. So when they get locked up, this is what their charges is. They'll death by receiving stolen, stolen property. Which is the guns. And I think it was one of the guns. Oh, I don't know. I know they had theft, receiving and then no license. Cause they were driving. They was in the car.

[Big Bank]

Stop playing.

[Young Thug]

That's what, that's what they told.

[Big Bank]

On a gun and some license. Stop playing.

[Young Thug]

That was the original charge. Oh, when the police came. Yeah, when the police came and talked to Yak, Yak told him what actually was happening.

[Big Bank]

What was happening.

[Young Thug]

Like he told them Duke got jumped on at Magic City by, By some ops. By some. By the opposite. And he came to Magic City to get Duke. And they were going to retaliate. Go, go, go commit murder. Go. Possibly commit murder. They're going to retaliate against the people that just jumped on Duke. That's what yet told him.

[Big Bank]

Hold up. So let's slow down.

[Young Thug]

They get, they, they on the way to the op hood. This is what it. I don't know. I went down this way. The police saying they got caught with.

[Big Bank]

Some guns and no license. And he turned that into what?

[Young Thug]

He told them what really was happening. Cause the police just like, why these two, they ride past the state patrol. It's two young niggas where he hoodies and ski masks and all that old shit. Ride past state patrol. State patrol get behind them. They go on the high speed chase. They go on the high speed chase. They wreck the car. They get out the car, run. Well, one of them get out the car and run. One of them stay in the car. That automatically make it fishy to me.

[Big Bank]

Who stayed in the car?

[Young Thug]

I think Yak stayed in the car.

[Big Bank]

But two, he went to people who ran. Yeah, stayed in the car.

[Young Thug]

That's what I heard.

[Big Bank]

Okay.

[Young Thug]

Yak stay in the car when they crash, dude get out and run, okay. And toss. One of the guns got away. Nah, he got caught. He ain't gonna get caught. Okay, yet. Goddamn. Some people told me that yet ran too. But some people told me that yet didn't run, yet stayed in the car. So if me and you go on a high speed chase, right, and we both know what we doing, we know what we going to do. If the state is right, we know what we going to do. The police get behind Us, we go on the high speed chase, crash the car. We get out the car, we running. Man, if I get out this car and run and bank stay in this car, the only thing on my mind is bank finna tell on me. Even if you ain't finna tell on me, I'm going to think in my mind, bank finna tell the police it's him, like. Cause what you stand in the car for?

[Big Bank]

He must know. He must got out, basically. Like, he must got out. He must know something. I don't know, we supposed to run, basically. What you saying?

[Young Thug]

Like, like, if you don't run when the police is chasing you, you the one driving. You take them on a high speed chase. If you don't get out and run and you get out and let Duke run, you Finn, you got something. You finna tell the police? Not even if you finna tell. You finna tell the police. Hey, I don't know, officer. We just. I'm an Uber. We was just riding this nigga. I don't know what the hell he got going on. He just hopped out of ranch. You finna say something like, I don't understand why you not finna run. Yeah. Which is not bad. And that ain't really bad to me. Because if you could spend 12, you can spend them. If. If me and you go on high speed chasing, I hop out and run and you don't, all you can say is, man, I know that young nigga from the hood. I don't even really know her name, man, that young nigga told me to drop him off at a girl. How? Man, I was on the way home off and dropped the nigga off at a girl out, man, when goddamn y' all got behind me. But I know I can't go to jail, buddy. Y', all, they got a gun. But I know I can't go to jail. So I just went on high speed chase. It's ways you could flip it and make it good. Like, all right, cool. I see. I understand why you sat in the car. If you can flip it, you can flip it. So I ain't gonna say he sat in the car. Cause he was gonna tell. But I'm gonna say he it's weird that you sat in the car. Like, so what? All right, if you sat in the car.

[Big Bank]

All right, fast forward to what the facts.

[Young Thug]

You say he Duke got jumped on that magic city.

[Big Bank]

Okay.

[Young Thug]

Call yet this, this, this supposedly. I don't know.

[Big Bank]

Allegedly.

[Young Thug]

Allegedly. Yeah. Duke got a jumped on that magic by some opposites. He called yet come get him from Magic. Him and Yak get in the car and on the way to the ops hood they go. They on the way to the op hood to retaliate, to go handle their business. Like niggas just jumped on even to go handle their business. They ride past the police next to the office hood. They on the op street. When they ride past the police, the police get behind them and turn the lights on. They go on the high speed chase, they crash, they get out and run. They get caught. They in jail for driving no license and firearm in the car. This is what, this the charges. The police come question Duke. Duke don't tell Duke, like, man, suck my dick. No, no, no, the police go question yet because, yeah, I think yet was in some more trouble too. So the police go question Yak. So I guess that's his way of being like, but I gotta, I gotta try to get myself out of trouble. I gotta, I got. Well, I'm in deep trouble. Like, even though Duke got this little bit ass case, I got the same liberty ass case, but I got more shit. I'm on probation. I just got out of jail. He yet got a deeper rap sheet.

[Big Bank]

So I thought he said he took the charge though. I thought Yak took the charge. He said, he said, goddamn, didn't nobody go to jail but him. Like, he don't want this time.

[Young Thug]

And Duke and Duke went to jail, bro.

[Big Bank]

No, I'm saying like convicted. Basically, like, Duke got some problems.

[Young Thug]

Duke got convicted, he got probation, six month probation. That thing got a year of probation.

[Big Bank]

So Shota went to the fed though, so he had to take the gun charge.

[Young Thug]

No, he went to the fed because that was like his fifth sixth time getting caught with guns. So, you know your fifth sixth time getting caught with guns. Now the fed's involved. Now the Fed like, hey, man, they need to keep getting caught with gun. Now the feds snatch you. Now the feds give you the gun charge, so you can't take the gun charge. The Fed gave you the charge. The feds gave you the charge you didn't take. You running around saying you took the gun charges for Duke. Now you didn't in your interview, in your interview, you slit, you said the gun was my gun, but I gave it to Duke. Everybody know in a court of law, if you say, hey, this my brick, but I gave this to a bank. Whoever is in possession of this brick, that's who brick it is. That's a fact. Whoever in possession of this gun, that's who gun it is. I Don't give a. You can tell the police a million times. This your gun? Duke get caught with his gun. This is Duke gun. I promise you that. That's how they go. So the fed snatched him. And, and when the fed snatched him, his charge in the feds was the gun charge.

[Big Bank]

It's because he had more than one.

[Young Thug]

But like, yeah, the feds ever own him. Like we own him. He can't get. He can't get caught with gun. He done beat murder charge, all type of, you know, he. He done beat murder charge, all that. So the fed already on him. He get caught with a tapestry stand.

[Big Bank]

Why I'm saying, oh, so Duke didn't go to trial. That's why he.

[Young Thug]

No, the thing about it is, I don't know if it's true or not, but Yak told Duke, man, just take the little probation shit. And I feel like he told Duke that because he didn't want his interview to come out. Cause if Duke go to trial, you gotta take the stand. It's a part of your plea. So you tell Duke, man, take the probation. Shit, ain't nothing but a year of probation. Take that shit. And then you trippin' goin' forward with your life, man. So Duke take the probation. Thinking like, my brother took the charge, I'm taking probation for even being around it. They just, they just charging dude with it. So they give a year probation. Duke take the probation. Word in the street is Yak told Duke to take the probation. I don't know how true that is or not, but a lot of people that say it yet told Duke to take that probation. A lot of people, reliable sources said that yet told Duke to take the probation. I feel like he told Duke to take the probation because if he didn't, he was gonna have to take the stand on him.

[Big Bank]

And he ain't wanna take stand cause he already gotta go to jail. So you saying he would have took the stand if the fed wouldn't have picked it up?

[Young Thug]

Basically, yes. If Duke. No, it don't matter if the fed pick it up or not. If Duke go to try, if Duke don't take the plea, Yak gotta get on the stand and Duke trial, That's his plea. His plea was this and this. You get outta jail, you do this, you do this. But if Duke go to trial, when Duke go, when, when Martinez want to go to trial, you must take the stand and speak truthfully about what you told us in this interview. That's his plea. If Duke go to trial, he got to get on the stand. That's. That's Yak plea.

[Big Bank]

And if he took it and. And she got on trial, what they would have did that would the case up or something? Who hurt the case? Like, if he.

[Young Thug]

If, if he would have. If he would have. If dude would have went to trial yet would have had to take the stand, dude, we would have got fried. What the hell you mean? In the goddamn interrogation. Duke yet told exactly what happened. Oh, yeah, so. Hey, man, I ain't even play with y' all in here, man. I'm just tell y' all the truth. It will happen. That's what he say in the interview in the interrogation. Man, I ain't gonna play with y' all for. I don't even. Man, whatever. I can do this goddamn try to let this get. Make this light on me, bro. Like, they like, man, what's going on? Goddamn. Obviously the DA is already on. The DA is already wondering like, why the hell y' all on the high speed chase right here next to the opposite. They don't know that Duke got jumped on at the club, though. This under wraps. This is low. We keeping it low. Just street, you know, keep that low going. Going on. Goddamn. So when Yak tell them Duke got jumped on that magic. We was on the way to goddamn go straight up hood. That's why in the interrogation room, he was saying like, they were like, oh, so you. You on Duke finna go kill. He like, I ain't gonna shoot. I was driving. How I'm gonna drive and shoot. Duke gonna do the. Duke gonna shoot. He say all this shit in the interrogation. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what this. The interrogation room. He said. He's saying this shit and his. And he took a plea. And his plea was if Duke go to. When Duke go to trial, you got to take the stand.

[Big Bank]

So what's the difference between Duke in interrogation room and that interrogation room? You in interrogation room? What's the difference?

[Young Thug]

Duke never was in the interrogation room.

[Big Bank]

I mean, I do yet.

[Young Thug]

The difference with me and yet situation is yet in the interrogation room telling that Duke did the crime. Yeah, no bullshit. No funny shit at that. Ain't no harsh feeling. I ain't mad at nobody. None of that.

[Big Bank]

I want to know what the difference is. I want to know your perspective on what's the difference between him being in interrogation room talking and you being interrogation room talking.

[Young Thug]

The difference is he told that Duke was locked up for these crimes. He told about the. He told the police what dude did. Like you. You told on dude, that's the difference between his and mine. I didn't tell him Roscoe. I try to free Roscoe. I'm saying Roscoe didn't shoot at the bus. Yeah, we be serving these when they come to Atlanta. He ain't shoot at this bus. They ain't beefing. Yeah, that's what I'm telling the police. Yeah, any street nigga in the world gonna understand that. Any street nigga in the world not gonna say, oh, I read it. Oh, I did what wrong?

[Big Bank]

No, nigga, but what about the who? Feel like you don't supposed to mention other name in front of the police, though.

[Young Thug]

The police mentioned the names. I just gave them my stories. Okay, the police mentioned their name. I ain't bring no name up. In the interrogation, the police mentioned these names. I throw on guap name up. But I brought goo up name up to talk about my dealings with Guap. Like, I'm signed to Gucci. I'm not signed to Bird. Yeah, that's why go up name came up. You know what I'm saying? I ain't bringing no name up. You acting like I'm in this saying, oh, big bank, black. A who? The police don't know, superstar. The police know every one of these. You act like I'm bringing the name up there. I ain't saying you. I'm just saying. I ain't saying you. I'm saying like the world. Y' all acting like I'm goddamn bringing up a name, putting a on the police radar, man. I'm talking about full blown superstars. I'm talking about signing. I'm signing. What the could I do to say to get go up in trouble by saying I'm signed? I was signed to him. Like, what the can I say about to get Birdman in trouble saying that Birdman and Wayne got a problem. Not Roscoe and Wayne.

[Big Bank]

But can a niggas can a. Can a take that ass. You giving them. You. You pushing it off on Bird. Like that's a motive. I check that motive.

[Young Thug]

No, because the work at that point, it was already already on fire. You gotta understand, Wayne had already said they fought over my money. This was on the Internet. He already said a wear a dress, man. You don't listen to no music. He already had done did all this. He did. So this already in the public. This in. In the public eye. I'm not sitting here telling them nothing, giving them something to go with, a store to go with. I'm in this saying, man, y'. All. What you talking about, like, what the problem is with Bird and Wayne. You know what they saying the problem is? They saying that Birdman, they paid them. Like, what the is you talking about? Yeah, like, you know that. Even though I feel like, personally, I shouldn't even be saying that. Cause y' all already know that.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

So why. Why do I got to sit in here and reiterate that? But, you know, you're just a young. You just in this like you fly, flaming evolution. Yeah, but the difference is I'm telling these nigga, my partner ain't committed the crime that he in jail for. And a nigga like that telling the police that Duke committed the crime that he in jail for. That's the difference. Me asking you, do you understand the difference?

[Big Bank]

I understand the difference, but like I said, shalom. I told you this. Like, you know, looking at it from the sides, like, why would you tell that lady take your number?

[Young Thug]

I told. If you look at the whole interview, and I'm gonna put the. Not the audio. I'm gonna put the video out so you can see the actual video, too. I told the lady to take my number on some flirtation shit. Like, we just flirt when we first come in the room. I was flirting with her. Off top, all this shit on video. When we come in the room, I'm flirting with her. When we sitting down talking. She's sitting at the table. I'm talking to her. I'm flirting with this bitch. Not mean to call no bitch. I'm flirting with this lady, like. And at the end of the video, when. When everybody getting up and leaving out the room, I'm still talking to her. Cause she getting up late. Like, she's still, like, getting her together and getting up like, well, all right, goddamn good time to you. And I'm like, man, you don't know anything. Get my number, baby. I made promises, you know, I'm just flirting with the lady. Obviously, the world gonna look at how they want to look at it.

[Big Bank]

But that's the wrong to say, son. Just looking back on, don't you feel like that's the wrong to say?

[Young Thug]

I feel like that's the wrong to say. If I was saying it for the reason. If I was saying it for another reason. Saying, hearing it, Hearing it, you hearing it.

[Big Bank]

What that shit sound like? Damn.

[Young Thug]

Honestly, Right. I understand what it sound like.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

Cause I'm mad at niggas for saying shit like that to the police. But the difference is. The difference about me is what in that interrogation did I tell the police for you to Think that I'm saying, if y' all want to know anything else, get my number. I didn't tell them nothing for me to even say, if you want to know anything else, get my number and don't tell nobody. What the fuck did I tell them in the interview for them to even for a fan or a nigga who looking at the interviews. What did I say in the interview for you to even look at this interview and say. And not say, he playing game. He's a playing game. He talking. He tell them shit. Like, yet you told. They said, who killed nothing. You said, Shannon and Wooten.

[Big Bank]

You did.

[Young Thug]

Yes. So at the end of your. When you say, when the police say, well, all right, man, you got anything else you want to say? He say, hey, and I'm locked up. Y' all got me locked up. Y' all gotta let me get out so I can get. So I can goddamn get around. And then I can say I can have something else to tell y'. All. That's a difference than me saying it because I didn't tell them in my interrogation video. I made this talking with him. Y' all blood? Hell nah, man. We fake bloods. We just say that in music. Crazy. Nobody know real blood. Wayne and I think we're real bloods. We. We just talking in music. I didn't tell you. I didn't tell them nothing to get nobody in trouble. So why would you look at the end of that interview when I said, take my number, I made promises, baby, don't tell nobody. Why would you look at that part of the interview and say, damn, boy, he was finna get him his number so he can get him information. What information did I get him anyway? The first you get what I'm saying.

[Big Bank]

I get exactly what you said.

[Young Thug]

If I'm spinning the police and at the end of my conversation, I say, get my number. If y' all want to know something.

[Big Bank]

What make y' all your smartest nigga.

[Young Thug]

Gonna be like, bitch ass nigga. You ain't telling them that.

[Big Bank]

What make y' all young niggas feel like y' all can spin the police, though?

[Young Thug]

Just come understand that, though.

[Big Bank]

I don't understand that, man, but them bitches is smart, bro.

[Young Thug]

Bro, it's just like movies just coming up in the game when you're a real nigga, bro. I feel like I'm a real man. I feel like I honor and I love every nigga who. Who I love.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

So I'm willing to do anything to help a nigga that I love and Sometimes you can make the wrong thing. You can do the wrong thing. Trying to help a nigga that you love.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, bye.

[Young Thug]

And when I say do the wrong thing, I ain't doing that wrong in an interview. The only thing I did well, I feel like I did wrong was even.

[Big Bank]

Talking to me, doing the interview.

[Young Thug]

Fact, right? But I'm doing the interview out of pure, pure trying. I'm purely trying to save my man's.

[Big Bank]

When I first seen this on the Internet, I was like, oh, man. But I was like, man.

[Young Thug]

Cause they mention it.

[Big Bank]

Cause I ain't even watch it. I just seen two hour interrogation video Young Thug. I didn't watch it. Sly like, man, you got. I mean, I mean, little man, like, you gotta listen to it, man. He just listened to it from before you jump out there. Please just listen to it for me. Please, please, please. I listen. I said, oh, I'm listening. Like, yeah, you're not playing game. But why the fuck is you hitting us, man? Bro?

[Young Thug]

Cause we just yelling. And I'm thinking, my man's Roscoe already locked up for shooting that Lil Wayne tour bus. I know that. I know Roscoe got a trial coming up. I know that too.

[Big Bank]

So basically you saying ain't no way you would tell him because you ain't even in trouble.

[Young Thug]

I'm not even in trouble. Soon as they come in, they say you ain't in trouble. We ain't talking about nothing that's dealing with you. None of that. We just got some conversations that we want to have with you. What's clicking my mind? This is my turn to help my man. This is my chance. We just young niggas, bro. We high. Hell, we on drugs. We like. I'm just thinking in my mind, but this is my opportunity to help my mans.

[Big Bank]

He ain't supposed to be in there eating no hot wings.

[Young Thug]

Who me? I ate blondie sandwich.

[Big Bank]

For real.

[Young Thug]

They get niggas who tell that type of food. They get niggas like me who ain't finna tell them nothing. They give me the blondie sandwich. I ain't get em nothing.

[Big Bank]

They gave you baloney sandwich.

[Young Thug]

Give me blown this. I ain't eat it. I'm like, man, that man, I. I think I opened that up and ate the cookies or somebody. I ain't eat this. I probably did eat this. And I was so burnt, I don't.

[Big Bank]

Know what I'm saying.

[Young Thug]

Like, I was burnt, but I didn't get the luxuries because I ain't get them. Then they would have felt like giving me some something because I asked them in there like, man, y' all didn't give me that belt. Like, God damn, bro. Like a millionaire, bro. I'm doing what I'm doing. Like y' all gonna try me. Like, he would have blown it like something. Y' all gave it a chili wing, hot cup, whatever. You know what I'm saying? God damn. Give me what y'. All. Y' all give me what y' all got in the gas. I know why y' all ain't gonna give me what y' all gave him. I ain't getting you nothing. You don't get any return. You don't get me doing that. But deny my partner involvement with that two Bush. Deny me being in a, being a blood, being in the game. Denying Birdman having something to do with the shoot with Lil Wayne to a bushel. Deny me being signed the bird man. You don't get nothing but denial for me. You don't get nothing but denial for me. Everything I did in the interview was on purpose.

[Big Bank]

Man, that's great.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered black women and girls in America. There are several ways we can all do better at protecting, protecting black women. My contribution is shining a light on our missing sisters and amplifying their disregarded stories. Stories like Tamika Anderson. As she drove toward Galvez, she was in contact with several people talking on the phone as she made her way to what should have been a routine transaction. But Tamika never bought the car and she never returned home that day. One podcast, one mission. Save our girls. Join the search as we explore the chilling cases of missing and murdered black women and girls. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mark Lombardo]

What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on Earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced.

[Big Bank]

He said, you are a number, a.

[Young Thug]

New York state number, and we own you.

[Mark Lombardo]

Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, discipline, physical training, hard labor and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months.

[Big Bank]

The first night was overwhelming and you don't know who's next to you? And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything.

[Mark Lombardo]

Listen to shock incarceration on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jacob Schick]

I had this like overwhelming sensation that I had to call her right then and I just hit call, said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick. I'm the CEO of One Tribe foundation. And I just wanted to go on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling and there is help out there.

[Ashley Schick]

The Good Stuff podcast season two takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non profit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is the national suicide prevention Month, so join hosts Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission.

[Young Thug]

I was married to a combat army veteran and he actually took his own life to suicide. One Tribe saved my life twice.

[Big Bank]

There's a lot of love that flows through this place and it's sincere now.

[Young Thug]

It's a personal mission. Don't want to have to go to any more funerals.

[Jacob Schick]

You know, I got blown up on a react mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury injury because I landed on my head.

[Young Thug]

Welcome to season two of the Good Stuff.

[Ashley Schick]

Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Honey German]

Hola, it's honey German and my podcast, Gracias, Come Again is back. This season we're going even deeper into the world of music and entertainment with raw and honest conversations with some of your favorite Latin artists and celebrities. You didn't have to audition.

[Big Bank]

No, I didn't audition. I haven't auditioned in Nicoba 25 years.

[Honey German]

Oh, wow. That's a real G talk right there.

[Big Bank]

Oh, yeah.

[Honey German]

We've got some of the biggest actors, musicians, content creators and culture shifters sharing their real stories of failure and success. You were destined to be a star. We talk all about what's viral and trending with a little bit of cheesem, a lot of laughs and those amazing vias you've come to expect. And of course, we'll exclude explore deeper topics dealing with identity struggles and all the issues affecting our Latin community. You feel like you get a little whitewashed because you have to do the code switching.

[Big Bank]

I won't say whitewashed because at the end of the day, you know, I'm me.

[Young Thug]

Yeah.

[Big Bank]

But the whole pretending and co you know, it takes a toll on you.

[Honey German]

Listen to the new season of Gracias. Come again as part of Michael Tura Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Big Bank]

So let me ask you something, though. Now let me tell you something, matter of fact, because I've been saying, hearing all this, and you know what I'm saying, a lot of this valid, you know what I'm saying? You did do whatever, whatever, however, but that this is how I feel. Slime me to you. I know you said this probably would have came out or whatever, this would happen, that would happen, this would happen. But what I'm saying is, even in there, I don't feel like you realize what you was going through. And then when you got out, I don't feel like you was focused, bro, the way you should have been. Like, I don't feel like. I feel like you taking your blessing for granted. That's just how I feel. Like, I ain't here to condemn or goddamn protect. I ain't here to do nothing but get your perspective and feel. Feel your energy, bro. So what I'm telling you, and I'm hoping you feel mine, I'm saying I feel like you probably got out of jail and truly went, which the narrative I went with, what was it?

[Young Thug]

Truly humble under God.

[Big Bank]

Yes, sir. I don't feel like you came home humble, bro. Enough. And I don't know, I'm just saying I'm from the sideline. I talked to you when you first got out, first day you got out, you want to live and call me on through all, like, what I say, but all that, get home and get.

[Young Thug]

Get to it.

[Big Bank]

Nothing else. I don't feel like you did. I feel like came home playing again.

[Young Thug]

I don't need me personally, I don't know. I don't know, Bank. I just. To be honest, bro, I don't know. Oh, no. I think the crazy part is I. I thought I came home on fire. I thought I came home just like popping that and just living life and getting back to life and enjoying like. But you still got to understand these two, Bank. My whole life, I poured into people. I built foundations. I built niggas up my whole life. Any nigga you can name, I play a part, a major part in their success.

[Big Bank]

I witnessed that.

[Young Thug]

And I feel like you got to look at it from. You got to step in my shoe, Bank. I gotta get out of jail and rebuild. I gotta get out of jail and rebuild this shit. I can't get out of jail and just hit the ground running. That's what dumb do. That's what a do. They go past what. What. What the they did wrong, and they just keep going.

[Big Bank]

Rebuilding doesn't mean what, like rebuilding your mental.

[Young Thug]

Rebuilding my mental. Rebuilding my financial stability. Rebuilding my organization. Rebuilding my. The Rebuilding. Like the way the world looked at me, the way the world perceived me. Because you got to think I get out of jail. I spent my last 10 years every day with my friends. And we build and we showing the world, this is how you supposed to be. This how brothers is the hood. This is how we're supposed to do it. This is what we're doing. So I get out of jail now. I don't got them friends no more. So I just get out of jail. I'm used to being with them. My last 10 years, I've been with them every day. So I get out of jail now I gotta learn how to not be with them. And not because they dead or they went to prison or they did it because. Because they did. They betrayed me. I can't just get out of jail. Just going forward, bro, Like I thought I was, though. But this situation at hand just let me know, like, damn, you ain't going forward. You wasn't going forward. But then I look at it like, damn, why I ain't going forward? And not going forward like success? Because I don't look at them nigga like they success.

[Big Bank]

I ain't moving on.

[Young Thug]

Why I ain't moving on? And I think, like, cause I gotta rebuild.

[Big Bank]

So do you think watching a nigga look as if they like gonna. You think watching gonna look as if though he ain't hurting about this or moving on. That hurting you even more. You don't like the word hurt. I see how you looked at that. But a gotta know when they hurt, bro. Cause the only thing you're explaining is. Is you talking about betrayal. Those words bring heartbreak.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, but, bro, we. We gangsters, bro. We made we, man, bro. We bosses, bro.

[Big Bank]

You know I cried on the Internet by day. Give a. I ain't that gangster. I know our heart is fragile. Cause look, and I said this and I just seen. No, you know I don't listen to all them jail calls, too. Yeah, man, what the hell that talking about today? But I said. I listened to that. And you said something like. Cause I had already told Lil. I said, bro, the reason why slime. And it just me. I could be tripping. Reason why slime ain't with Gunner. Cause he already done put the word out and stamped it to niggas. And he gotta stand with these niggas not saying it's right or wrong. It's like, how the hell I'm finna make these up? Their friendship or whatever. They camaraderie with the. And then I come home, I feel. And then. I ain't never told you this. I talked to Gonna when he first got out of jail. I was trying to get an interview with him. You like, man, I ain't worried about none of these saying, I know my brother in that box up. I was just in that up. Any mind ain't right. Whatever. I don't give a if he telling these me. If it ain't, fuck me when he get out of jail. They're my brother. You know what I'm saying? I love that nigga. I know he love me. He knowing I wouldn't have did that shit. I triple action them folk. Is this gonna affect my brother? That's what he told me. I took it from face back. That's what he told me.

[Young Thug]

That ain't the truth.

[Big Bank]

All right, I'm just telling you. I'm on the outside looking at him. I'm just telling you what he said. That's what he said.

[Young Thug]

He said, oh, I ain't saying that the truth. When he said. I'm saying, oh, yeah.

[Big Bank]

That's what he said. He like, I'm just waiting on his work.

[Young Thug]

I don't know. Cause his lawyer could have told him. His lawyer could have fed him some bullshit. My lawyer is just a real one, Brian, a real man. He gonna tell you, hey, this what we got strength at in this trial. This what we lack at. This what you fucked up at in this trial. This is what you got. They asked. So that's part of the reason why I took my plea. Cause he like, you gonna win the case 100%. You gonna get acquitted. But you can't get acquitted with. For the. That they found in your house. It's in your house, the house in your name, everything. Like, even though it ain't your shit, they still gotta. The law tell the jury you must charge the owner of the house with these items if it's in his house. So Brian always told me, like, this is where you gonna get convicted at. This is what I feel like you could get convicted at. He said, you still can win it for sure. I think you're gonna win it. But I gotta tell. I can't tell you. I can't be no bullshit like the other nigga lawyer. I gotta tell you, hey, this is where you strong at. You strong at every corner of this case except this one. The they found in your house. You not strong in it no matter what. Nine times out of ten you can. You will get convicted of this.

[Big Bank]

Now I'm thinking about you saying, like, you had to rebuild. You had to move on the. From 10 years. You had your partner that been with you 10 years. And then every day. But I used to you and Gunna every day, every day. Like every day. Like to the max. Like you and Duke day, every day. But it was a different every day with you and Gunna. What I'm saying is that shit like a marriage almost. You dig what I'm saying?

[Young Thug]

So it's like you having your wife, bro. And this ain't even just your wife. She came in with you. She came into the relationship, bossed up millionaire doing this shit, doing this shit. She came a bomb. She came with nothing. You made her a millionaire. You found dated her. You built her with all honesty like you built her just on some honest. Not even on. No, I'm gonna build this project. It's just like, damn. But I look at the little like my little brother. I love it. I'm finna try my better helping do something. I ain't even know this rap. When he first came around me, I just was just like on some like, man, everybody with me, I'm taking them with me. We going. I'm gonna figure it out. If he don't rap, I'm gonna. Whatever the Whatever. Whatever we put on this Internet. And the fans say what? The fans commit him. The fans put on him. That's what I'm gonna make him go with. If we get on the Internet, he only got to be a rapper. If the fans say, but then he got this drippy as a. But I'm gonna make sure you. You first as a. Every time they see you, like, we just. I'm just don't do whatever I can do to help my.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

Or my girl. Like, whatever I'm doing whatever it takes. You know what I'm saying? So.

[Big Bank]

So have you. Have you ever actually sat down and thought to yourself, how do I really feel about this? Not. Not how Well, I take it back to this. How do Jeff feel about this? Before I saw my brother get killed. How would he feel about this?

[Young Thug]

About what?

[Big Bank]

About Ghana, period. Just all the way. Like, how do you.

[Young Thug]

Like, if I'm trying to get you to tap into.

[Big Bank]

Like, how do you really, really feel? I know how you. You know how we know how we supposed to feel about that.

[Young Thug]

Crawl me.

[Big Bank]

That's how we supposed to feel.

[Young Thug]

How you really feel?

[Big Bank]

Yeah. How you really feel about this? Like I really, really feel.

[Young Thug]

I feel like true word King Troop. This is why King Spider come from King Truth is the big homie who you might get. King True. Our big homie.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

I honor true words to the T. No matter what, I'm with him to the T. He not a. He not a boy. A bad man. He a real man. To me what I identify as a man. I honor his words. He told me before he died. He didn't tell me on his dime bed. He just told me before he died. Gunner is my son. Take him with you, though. Get him out of the hood. Get him out of Shady Park. Take. Take that boy with you. That my son. And then just so happened, he just ended up dying. And I honor his word. I honor his word, bro. I took the nigga with me everywhere, bruh. This. This my man's bro. Whatever you will. All the bullshit that I knew about you, all the shit you did, the shit that on the. On sitting on the porch talking about your cousin damn near telling on the goddamn to the crime stopper people, all this. I knew all this shit later on, but I knew this shit. And I just found a way to love you. You know what I'm saying? I knew it. And I just love you. Cause I just honor true word. And I feel like whatever. I don't know what Truth told you, but I know he told you something good. And I feel like you just didn't honor the word. You ain't on that, bro. You ain't even on the brotherhood. We ain't even talking about Truth. We just my brotherhood. We from the street, bro. You know how hard it is for us to become successful. Men make millions of dollars. If a nigga take me from where I'm at sleeping on my mama motherfucking couch to making millions of dollars, I'm dying before I go against him, no matter what. I'm going to die before I go against him, no matter what.

[Big Bank]

I don't think he feel, you know, like I say. I ain't here to goddamn protect or condemn nobody. I don't feel like he feel like.

[Young Thug]

He crossed you, though. Me personally, as a man, me knowing him, he's smarter than he look. A smart man. He let his silence make you think other. Make you think other things about him. He a smart man. He's strategic. I taught him how to be. The thing about it is, when it comes down to being real, I don't. The. The strategicness go away from me when it comes to being a man, like, standing on man business. A man I don't know how to. I know how to be strategic, but I don't. I forget to be strategic when it comes to that. I'm gonna say the truth. I'm gonna pour it out, what it's supposed to be. Life to him is just all about being strategic. It ain't about nothing about being a real man or, like, coming to grips with what's going on or just like. Just like. Just like knowing, like, I did that. You know what I'm saying? It's gonna always be some strategic behind it.

[Big Bank]

So you, like. It just came out the blue, you know? Usually when if you. The way the nigga you describing, you, the. Ben saw that, though. So you saying this just came out of blue with that case?

[Young Thug]

Nah, but the crazy part is, bro, he already did some.

[Big Bank]

That.

[Young Thug]

That's a violation. But, like, well, nobody really know about it but me and goddamn Cash. Xo, my brother, he already did some. That was a violation. That. That I supposed to cut him off of. He already did some. While I was supposed to cut him off, I just found a new way to love him. And I try to be how y' all live. I try to look at him from a different light and be like, maybe he understand. Maybe he knows I know he knew, though. Maybe he ain't know. The only reason why I knew he knew is because he denied it instead of saying, damn, Brian, he know a that don't know gonna say damn. I ain't even know that a that know what he doing. What he gonna say, Hell, no, I denied it. Like hell not, right? Hell no. Like, that's just how. That's just how the circle of life. That's how I go. You gotta understand, bro. I had a man with me every day since 2000, late 2015. I had a man with me every day, bro. I made that man his. I'm. I made him a millionaire. Like, I. I bought his first apartment that he lived in. I bought it with my money. I made him put his money up, keep your money. I bought it with my money because I had some. A little extras. I bought that. I went half and half with you to buy your mama house. Your mama first house, get her out of the hood. I did that. Me, I told you to go down there to the country town and get your daddy. No matter what your differences is with your daddy. I told you that. I know for a fact, me personally, I Know your dad don't look at you like a real nigga. I know that this is my man's. Your dad is my og. He don't look at you like that. I made you go get your dad. I made you reunite with your family and do the right thing. I just poured my all into him, bro. I gave this more time than my children, bro. I gave him more time than my kids. I gave him more time than my old lady. Like, I poured my life into these people, bro. Like, every second I went half on your mama house and bought your mama house, bro. Cause you didn't have the money. I went half with you. I bought your brother his first truck and let you present it to him. Like you bought it your brother on the Internet, man.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

Like you don't even know what's going on. Like you don't even know, bro. Relax this, that nobody don't know but we, man. So I don't be can to speak on that type of we. Mean, I ain't do it for that reason. I did it because I just honor my brothers, my. My friendships and brotherhood. I honor that. I love you, bro.

[Big Bank]

So, man, that's cool. So you still love him, bro.

[Young Thug]

I poured so much into the. I can't even hate him, bro. I thought in jail, I thought I hated him when he took the pleas and when they did that, I thought I hated these. My girl made me realize, like, but you don't hate him. You just mad at him. Yeah, you don't hate him, bro.

[Big Bank]

You hate him. You stop talking about why you hate a.

[Young Thug]

You on a whole nother type of time.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You stop talking about him like.

[Young Thug]

Well, I don't wish no ill. No ill will on him. No ill feelings at all. Stop.

[Big Bank]

The man album, though, that hit the whip.

[Young Thug]

Because I was just angry, okay? But it seemed like nobody understanding why I'm angry. Like all the I did for the bro. Like, what are you talking about, bro? I put my whole label, my whole behind it, boy. Man, like, you think Key. Key Dad. You think key. I respect you as a man. You think he'd respect you for what you did, bro? You to my rip, Key, bro. You know Key ain't gonna respect you for what you did to me, bro. You know that. You know Keen ain't gonna respect that. You know ain't no real man gonna respect that. You did that, bro. Stand on it. You did that. Everybody tonight. Why he said and why he quiet? What can you say? What can you say? If you was gonna. What can you Say if you was him, knowing everything you know about this, what can you say, Bank? If you was him, just think of something. You think you can say if you was in gun shoes, what would happen?

[Big Bank]

I can't really put myself in this shoe. I'm just saying.

[Young Thug]

No, but sometimes, guess what, bro?

[Big Bank]

That's what I think he should say. If everything you saying is valid, I think he should call you and have a conversation. But would you take a conversation? Cause you gotta think. Don't think.

[Young Thug]

I don't think. I take the conversation.

[Big Bank]

All right, so what. What can I say?

[Young Thug]

I know that I ain't even talking about what can you say to me or not.

[Big Bank]

He might want to say something, but.

[Young Thug]

He know trying to want no conversation.

[Big Bank]

So what can I say?

[Young Thug]

I feel like you portrayed a certain image as soon as you got out of jail. Cause nobody know you did what you did in the courtroom. So as soon as you got out of jail, you portrayed. Soon you get out of jail for.

[Big Bank]

Like a couple hours. Yeah, yeah.

[Young Thug]

Like you got out portraying a certain thing, a certain image. Woo, woo. You saying E words. You saying goddamn this and that. You saying this when you first get out of jail, you saying all this shit. Then the video come out. Then it's just like. But this what the world gotta start doing, bank, including you. We gotta start putting ourselves in people's shoes. That's why I said, if you were him, knowing everything that you know, what would you say?

[Big Bank]

I probably would do the same thing, not say shit. Because I'm knowing my man. I don't wanna say nothing to the Internet or to nobody else. I know that nigga don't wanna hear this shit.

[Young Thug]

Nah. But you gotta understand, the way you put it is almost like. It's almost like you. This interview is almost gonna be you telling him what he can go with. We ain't talking about that. We talking about none of that. Nah. Cause you gotta think, like. You gotta think. If he's sitting around saying, like, damn.

[Big Bank]

What he can go with his move, his next move.

[Young Thug]

We ain't talking about that. It's cool. I tell him his next move. Cause I'm just a like that. Like, I don't want to see no down. I tell a move, bro, do this, you fucked up. But you can do this right here. You can do this.

[Big Bank]

Okay, okay. All right.

[Young Thug]

We just saying, man, to me.

[Big Bank]

Let me say this. When you just sat there and said you wouldn't take the conversation, that would make me say that. But all right. If you said you took the conversation, then I would have said what I say.

[Young Thug]

I ain't talking about what you'll say to me. What you'll say about what you did. Okay, just say, Just say you'll say it to me. Hold up.

[Big Bank]

What he said to me.

[Young Thug]

I told you what he said to me earlier. That's what he said. The truth.

[Big Bank]

You asked me what he said it already. I just told you.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, you know, I ain't never heard it.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I just told. He said, goddamn, bro, all these on the Internet saying whatever they saying that I know my brother in that boxing in the right head space. I know that love me. He know I love him. If I would, I swear I would have never did nothing. I feel like it hurt this man. I was like waiting he get on.

[Young Thug]

He gonna have to say me, I understand all that. I feel like me being a man and we just talking about feelings and just putting it on the line.

[Big Bank]

And he probably gonna be mad at me for telling you he said that.

[Young Thug]

But he said I'm just. What I'm saying is, I understand that I. I would think that he would say something like that. Obviously, if you did some shit, some bullshit to your big brother, that's one of the things you can say, right? But I got down. But IFO did it, EFO tricked me, you know what I'm saying? That's something you can say. That's any. If you would have did what's wrong. If you would have did what gunna did, you would have said the exact same thing. Bro, they my brother, bro. Like, bro. I'm just Wayne goddamn, bro. You folk trick me. We ain't talking about none of that. None of that, Cap. We talking about man to man. What. Why did you do what you did? Cause I'm here. Cause I'm here right now in this interview telling you why I did what I did. Cause I'm a man. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If I'm right, I'm right. I'm standing on business as a man. I'm speaking what. What this, what I did.

[Big Bank]

You said this, why I did, why he did it.

[Young Thug]

Basically, he can't. That's what I'm trying to make you say. What the. Can he say why you did that? What can you say besides some fuck shit? What can you say that'll make anybody in the world be like, I understand. What can you say, nigga, I created you, nigga. Well, God created you, but I help. I was a part of your journey. I've Been with you the last 10 years. I spent more time with you than my girl, bro. I was around you more than I would my fucking girlfriend, bro. With my kids. I done had them phone call with my baby mama, saying, man, you be with these nigga one of your motherfucking children, bruh. You supposed to be smart enough. And I know you smart enough. You supposed to be a man enough. You supposed to be smart enough to say, I'm not going to do that. I know all this. That nigga sacrifice. I'm not doing it.

[Big Bank]

In your mind, you taking this nigga, you.

[Young Thug]

That's what it is. What else can it be? Obviously, you gonna say, well, I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. And goddamn, I'mma just. I'mma just keep telling the world, man. And my brother, I love him.

[Big Bank]

So you saying his whole campaign is a PR stunt?

[Young Thug]

Not even to like, bash him in that brokai. Really? I'm really.

[Big Bank]

But that what you said.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, I ain't trying to. I'm just saying, like, I ain't trying to bash my name. But it's like you can't say nothing to make a man or what we identify as a man, a real man. A real. That's that stand on morals and principles. It ain't nothing you can say. But the victim, like brother E. Folk trick me. Well, I got down. They're my brother no matter what. And my brother, no matter. How you gonna say that to a nigga. You just. What are you talking about? We all in this trial pushing YSL is not a game. This is the narrative. What's the worst betrayal you can do from. In a. In a trial where we saying YSL is not a game. What's the worst you could do? Say it's a fucking game? Yeah, nigga, them folk called you second in charge before. Called you CEO. Second man in charge.

[Big Bank]

Hold up, let me say this though. What about the. Who actually started YSL too? Didn't they take they plea before gone?

[Young Thug]

No, he the first plea.

[Big Bank]

For real.

[Young Thug]

Gonna took the first. He know that. You know that.

[Big Bank]

I didn't know that.

[Young Thug]

Gonna took the first plea already telling them no. Gunner took the. They had already told back in the day on crimes and that they was involved in RICO.

[Big Bank]

No, no, see, see, look.

[Young Thug]

The RICO came in 2022. I'm thinking the RICO came March 9, 2022, man.

[Big Bank]

What's the little dude?

[Young Thug]

I mean, May knife from your hood.

[Big Bank]

Dk and who is another one too Slug. Yeah, yeah. I'm thinking that them two already Saying like. Like just say, Vincent and me, Shy and Cuz start a game, right?

[Young Thug]

Yes.

[Big Bank]

And we. We all identify as the three founders, right? And we signed up and the two founders saying, yeah, it's a game. But bank saying it's not. How is Thug wrong for just being an artist? By saying it is, too. That's what I'm thinking happened.

[Young Thug]

Nah, that ain't what happened. That ain't what happened. Bank. The first plea took was gonna plea ever. Ever. The first plea took was gonna. Autumn took. Please. After gonna. Everybody took the plea after gonna. I can't even be as mad at them as I can be as him. I can. I should. Because y' all still grown man. No matter what they say. Y' all grown man just like me. When he said why there was a game, the smartest thing for me to do is say, yeah, it is a game. It one of the. One of the nigga who they saying is a founder of it. He's not even the founder. One of the niggas who they saying as a founder that came on out and took a plea and said, it's a game. You'll be a idiot to sit in here saying that. It's not a game when you got a who these folk not labeled. As the second man in charge, I.

[Big Bank]

Thought happened, but the other way around.

[Young Thug]

No, he took the plea first. Ghana took the plea first. Ghana took the plea first. Then them started taking the plea. When we started going to court, Gunna didn't never make it in the courtroom. Remember, the first day of court was December, November 17, or December 17. One of them days where the first time we wasn't on zoom. The first time we went into an actual courtroom, all 28 of us.

[Big Bank]

But watching that from the street. But that like some dj. Another one. Every day, another one.

[Young Thug]

But the crazy part is another one get wet. Bank. Even if them was them, some anyway, but some too. But even if them just look at it from their point of view, like dk, Slug, automate. I still don't respect them. Cause you just not me, y'. All not me. Should no make you do nothing that you're supposed to do but just look at them. Okay, Gonna take a plea. He the head in charge according to.

[Big Bank]

The D. A. Yeah.

[Young Thug]

Thug is boss man. John got it. What they saying got. I'm not no. John got it now. I'm a real man, man. Solid. I build foundations, buy help. I'm not portraying no gangster. No, none of that. It just so happened. We just street and we. And we don't stood on our business, so they label us gangsters. I don't push none of that. I push real, man. They saying that I'm the founder of this and this is the head man in charge. He. He the second boss when this trial started. They not saying DK is the one of the owners. Mundo wanted to own the slug. One of the owners. They're not saying none of that. They saying thug is the owner and Gunner is a second man in charge.

[Big Bank]

They said, I ain't had a thug. And. No, no, I mean, not my bad. I thought they said they ain't had Ghana and, like, none. Like, nothing against him.

[Young Thug]

Ghana was in Ghana. Didn't have no case while we had nine terabytes. Now, my paper, that is, bro. Nine terabytes of discovery. That's over 300 million pieces of paper front and back. 300 million pieces of paper. That's how much evidence they had. 300 million pieces of paper. I think it was nine terabytes, two terabytes. Whatever it is, whatever that is, it was terabytes. That equaled up to 300 million pieces of paper. I remember RJ, remember the lawyers arguing it in court. I remember the lawyer saying, like, yana, they gotta take some of this shit, the evidence that we not gonna use, and just get this shit out of the way. Cause y' all just packing us with evidence, and we just got a little time to, like, go through the evidence. It's so much paperwork. Y' all might be coming to court trying to convict him on this. These five pictures, but you got 16 million pictures. I remember just going to court arguing about that type of shit with the lawyers, like. Like, judge, we. We trying to dumb this shit down. Some of the shit they know they not using. So we need to know what they really using so we can focus on it so it can be a fair trial. It need to be fair. So I'm saying that to say out of all that paperwork, bro gonna name went on one piece of paper out of 300 million pieces of paper.

[Big Bank]

He know that?

[Young Thug]

Yes.

[Big Bank]

Hold up. Let me. Let me. Let me. I get this line. Let me. Let me. Let me play devil advocate right now, okay? And I ain't trying to protect or defend or offend nobody. I'm just gonna keep saying that. What I'm saying is.

[Young Thug]

All right.

[Big Bank]

Y' all ain't talking, right? Y' all ain't talking.

[Young Thug]

Yeah. Sorry, man.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

Why we locked up?

[Big Bank]

Yeah. No. Okay.

[Young Thug]

I caught a few times trying to talk to him, but they were just giving me the Run around. That's what I started figuring out then, like, all right, I don't get it.

[Big Bank]

Your girl, his girl, his mama. You know what I'm saying? The women in your ear, like, they done got you in some. Basically you ain't on no paperwork. So basically he. It's just like when called his case and went to jail all that time for nothing. That's how he would probably feeling like, I ain't gonna go to jail for nothing.

[Young Thug]

I understand it.

[Big Bank]

Okay. I'm just saying, like, are you putting that in perspective?

[Young Thug]

I overly.

[Big Bank]

Because you got. You got people that's watching this don't give a no name about no street code, no nothing.

[Young Thug]

I know, but we talking about street, okay? Yeah, yeah. We're not talking about none of that. So you can talk about no white boys who went to college. We talking about street.

[Big Bank]

You consider gun as a street? Yes.

[Young Thug]

You were portraying a street. Okay, you talking about no telling in your song. You talking about street. You talking about stepping on. You talking about all type of. In your music. You standing on street business. You do everything street do. That's a fact. You are portraying a street. If you're not a street, don't portray it. You portraying a street. Street aneurysms. You portray every one of them. That's a fact. I look at you like a street. You my little brother, I love you today. I look at you like a street, though. I don't look at you like a dork or no lame or none of that. I look at you like a fly. You just kicking your pimping and doing this, doing this and that. Well, I definitely look at you like a street.

[Big Bank]

Okay, look, let me say this. And this is the last thing I'm gonna say. Cause I don't want to sound like I'm trying to fend. No, but can you look at it like, bro, you got it. You had to be in a fucked up mindset if you played guilty, knowing.

[Young Thug]

You wasn't guilty overly. That's one of the things why I always. That's. That's why I'm at the point now where I'm like, I feel like my back against the wall and people ain't heard me out. So now I understand his point of view. Like, damn. That's why I say, like, I would love to hear what he got to say because then I can actually judge him.

[Big Bank]

Say it. Say it publicly. Don't tell.

[Young Thug]

You publicly said, YSL is a criminal street game and it must end. You publicly said, yes, ma'. Am. When they said I know three or more code offenders on this case. Well, three or more code offenders on this indictment, which is the 28 niggas. I know three or more niggas that committed these crimes. Murder, attempted murder, aggravated assault, damage to property, shooting at houses, petty car thefts, armed robberies. You said, I know three or more people on this indictment that have committed these crimes publicly. They asked you that in the courtroom. You said, yes, ma'. Am. First of all, you don't know nobody on this case. All 28. They from John Verse, South Cleveland Avenue and other places like that. He from the south side. He don't know nobody on this case. Guess what's so weird? Out of all 28 people on this case, all you know is three. Me, Gunna and Duke. That's the only you know on this case, Gunner. So when you said, yes, I know three or more that committed these crimes, who the is you talking about me gonna do? Cause we only you know anyway. I ain't. I know you could have been talking about anybody school. But just so happen how the dice roll. You don't know nothing but three. So who the you could like if he would have went to trial? The state, if his was getting used in trial, which it was. If unless I got all the case, his. His plea agreement was gonna get used in trial. I know they saying like, oh, he had to get.

[Big Bank]

I thought an effort plea don't mean that.

[Young Thug]

Yes, he had to get on. He ain't had to get on the stand. You know, they pushing all those narratives. He ain't had to get on the stand. He wasn't gonna testify against nobody. Yes, he was. If you look at the end of his plea, that shit say this, this plea agreement could be presented in trial. And if any questions come up about this plea, however they wrote it, if anything come about this plea, you must come testify truthfully about what you said in this plea. No, look, everyone they please said that except mine. Everybody said that except mine. And look, nine, every one of them who took a plea in the beginning of that trial, please said that. Duke please said the same thing. Oh, you ain't got to get on the stand. Duke had to get on the stand the week we. The week the case was over with. Duke was getting on the stand that week. The week all this went on and took our pleas at the end of the trial. Duke was getting on the stand that week. Dude was outside the courtroom, sitting on a bench, waiting to get called in and get on the stand.

[Big Bank]

So how Duke did what right now?

[Young Thug]

Because he didn't say YSL was a game. He only said when y' all put Duke on the stand. Duke can't send nobody to prison. Duke plea only saying that a nigga told on him. Okay, I'm right. Well, nobody on that case but Duke and Yak. Only thing Duke police said was this nigga Yak told on me. And I'm just agreeing to it. Because if I don't agree, I'mma have to go to trial and Yak going to get on the stand on me. So he gotta take the plea. The thing I don't respect about Yak is before we knew yet told when Duke took the plea, I was pushing the narrative. Like that Duke did what wrong? Like, damn. But my best friend, why do you do that? I'm pushing that shit every day in trial. Every day. Jackson right here with me, bro. Every day. Yeah, my little brother. I love this to deal, bro. I got this mama house. The house this nigga mama living in right now. I paid for this house, bro. You sitting right here with me every day, bro. Fade to face in this trial. Me you understanding the last three on this trial. And look, we don't. I mean, me, you, Shannon, Lil Queen Laroquet, we. We done got down to five. Deep city. You know how he is in this, man. Back against the wall. That and we rocking the left. We gone. That we rocking. You sending this every day with me. Two years straight after them folks took their plea. And you let me paint this narrative to you, Shannon, and you agreeing with the narrative that Duke told on you. We stand back in the back of this courtroom when we on trial. Every day I'm coming back in the courtroom. We coming back from in the courtroom. When you go. When we leave out the courtroom, we go in these little cells behind the courtroom. We sending these cells, I'm in these cells. We just talking like men, like brothers. Damn, boy. That nigga Duke, bro. I can't believe Duke, bro. I kind of can get it with you. I mean, with Gunnar. Cause he done betrayed me before. So I kind of get he can betray. He'll betray me. But I'm looking at Duke like Duke, my best friend. Duke been with me the last 20 years. Like you my best friend. I'm from John Bur style. You from John Barrow. Duke, my man's Duke, name tattooed on me. Duke, my man's gonna too. Yeah, too D. My boy. I need my boys. You send in this every day. And we in this. In this cell, crying to each other and talking like, damn, boy, nigga really Betrayed her. He left with bro Duke. Now come dup plea sound crazy. Dude, please. Saying yes, I got jumped on that magic city. Yes. Me and yet went to go retaliate and commit murder on the opposite. Yes. So I'm Jack still on the trial with me. So I'm looking at like, dude, you took that plea and said that you did that. I'm sitting in this every day with Yak. Every day I'm sitting in. Yeah. Every day I'm like. But they only fought, dude. Just cross you like that, bro. They Duke just got you sitting in prison, bro. You going to prison yet. But dude, they got you sent to prison, bro. Damn, dude, they sitting in the in here with me every day saying, man, that man the bro we gotta goddamn when we get out of this, we make it out this situation, bro, we gotta go forward and it's just us. We hang with nothing. We ain't with these brother told on me. Brother did that, bro. Damn. Every day. We did this every day for about just under two years, bro. We're gonna try every day. The whole time. When them took the plea, the whole time from that day before, we just sit in this stage, they're going through it every day like, damn, buddy did that knowing damn well the whole time. You told on Duke. Duke took the plea because you told on him. And if Duke didn't take the plea, you would had to get on the stand on Duke. Because that was your plea. Your plea agreement was if Duke go to trial, you got to get on the stand and testify that you and Duke was going to go kill these. Cause they jumped on dude. You got to get on the stand and say that. Cause you said that in your police. Sir, if you get on the stand and you say something different than that, they gonna treat you like Montoon. You're going to prison. You gotta get on.

[Big Bank]

That's why motto in prison.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, because he said this in his plea agreement. Yes, Thor. When Nut died, we pulled up on Thor. He gave us money to lay low. We did this and did that. He said it in the plea. But one thing I do respect about Motone is when he was doing his plea, you know, you negotiating back and forth with the state. So when Moonton was doing his plea, he was telling them to take that out. Like hell. No, that ain't what happened. When Nut got killed, we didn't pull up at Thug Condo and he gave us some money to lay low. That ain't what happened. Thug didn't pay us to kill Nut. No, he was saying, take all that shit out the plea. Like, hell no. But the state tricked him. Like, we ain't taking it out to plea, but you can agree to it now. And when you get on the stand, you can speak your truth. So he like, y' all sure? Cause he know if I get on the stand and say something opposite of what I'm saying in this, I can go to jail. So are y' all sure that I ain't gonna go to jail if I get on the stand and speak my truth? They put. They just wrapped him in the bag. They just wrapped him up. Wrapped him up like a gift. Yeah, you. You can get on this stand and say whatever you gotta say, but you gotta say this in his plea. So that's why he was on the stand. That's why. Nah, like, that's why the judge, like. So when you said this in this plea, you saying that that ain't really what happened. And Mutant was like, no, that ain't really what happened. And I told them that they need to change this in my plea, but they said they can't change it in the plea. I gotta just say it when I'm on the stand.

[Big Bank]

So how would it goddamn be able to do what he did? Like, go up there and just like.

[Young Thug]

Because he wasn't. He told in the beginning. So he. All his telling led to him not being on the indictment. All his telling led to him not being in trouble with us. He not on the case. When the case started, it was 28 of us. Woo. One, nine. One of them. So it ain't no matter what he get in the courtroom and say, he can't go to jail. Cause he's not a part of the indictment. He's not a part of the case. Unindicted co conspirator. He not on the case. So he can get in the courtroom and say, yeah, I killed Nut. I killed this nigga. I did this. I did that. Can't nothing happen to him because he already signed his. He's already signed his immunity. When you sign an immunity, you can say whatever you want to say on the stand. Yeah. And that can't get you though, right? No, can't nothing happen to you when you say what you want to say. That's the point of immunity. When you sign this paper, you gonna tell the truth and nothing can happen to you. You can't be locked. You can't get in trouble for saying whatever you want to say.

[Big Bank]

What made them get him that?

[Young Thug]

Cause they thought he was gonna get on the stand and say what he said in his interviews, okay, they thought he was gonna get on the stand and say, yeah.

[Big Bank]

So they banking the whole case on Woody.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, he was the lead. He was the lead. Them folk was in shambles. When that nigga acting like, acting like he wasn't gonna testify. Remember the first time he got in there on the stand, he like, goddamn, man, I ain't testifying. The judge like, you sure? He's like, yeah, I ain't testifying. Take me to jail. I sit in jail. But when you, when you don't, when they order you to get on the stand and you don't get on the stand, it's two things can happen. You can get locked up until the judge want to let you out. You can get locked up for 21 days, or you can get locked up for the duration of the trial. Whatever trial you involved in, you can get locked up. So normally trials be five days. So if a get on the stand in a normal trial and don't. They don't agree, he'll go to jail for five days. Cause you got to get out of jail once the trial is over. But this case, he wanted to do it, right? He like, but this gonna be another two years. I gotta sit in jail two years. He wanted to do it. He wanted to be like, man, I ain't doing it. That's why the first time he came in, he like, man ain't testifying that I ain't testifying. I lied. So he, he got locked up. He locked up for like four, five days.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and more murdered black women and girls in America. There are several ways we can all do better at protecting black women. My contribution is shining a light on our missing sisters and amplifying their disregarded stories. Stories like Tameka Anderson. As she drove toward Galvez, she was in contact with several people talking on the phone as she made her way to what should have been a routine transaction. But Tameka never bought the car and she never returned home that day. One podcast, one mission. Save our girls. Join the search as we explore the chilling cases of missing and murdered black women and girls. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Big Bank]

A foot washed up, A shoe with.

[Young Thug]

Some bones in it.

[Big Bank]

They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the that.

[Young Thug]

Not a whole lot was salvageable These.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

Are the coldest of cold cases. But everything is about to change.

[Young Thug]

Every case that is a cold case.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

That has DNA right now in a.

[Young Thug]

Backlog will be identified in our lifetime.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

A small lab in Texas is cracking the code on DNA Using new scientific tools. They're finding clues in evidence so tiny you might just miss it.

[Young Thug]

He never thought thought he was going to get caught.

[Ashley Schick]

And I just looked at my computer screen, I was just like, ah, gotcha.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors and you'll meet the team behind the scenes at othram, the Houston lab that takes on the most hopeless cases to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jacob Schick]

I had this like overwhelming sensation that I had to call her right then and I just hit call, said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick. I'm the CEO of One Tribe foundation. And I just wanted to go on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling and there is help out there.

[Ashley Schick]

The Good Stuff podcast season two takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non profit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is national Suicide Prevention Month, so join hosts Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission.

[Young Thug]

I was married to a combat army veteran and he actually took his own life to suicide. One Tribe saved my life twice.

[Big Bank]

There's a lot of love that flows through this place and it's sincere.

[Young Thug]

Now it's a personal mission. Don't have to go to any more funerals.

[Jacob Schick]

You know, I got blown up on a react mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on on my head.

[Young Thug]

Welcome to season two of the Good Stuff.

[Ashley Schick]

Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mark Lombardo]

What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced.

[Big Bank]

He said, you are a number, a.

[Young Thug]

New York state number and we own you.

[Mark Lombardo]

Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months.

[Big Bank]

The first night, it was overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you, and we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything.

[Mark Lombardo]

Listen to shock incarceration on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Big Bank]

I ain't never really heard you say no bullshit about Woody, though.

[Young Thug]

Nah. Because not even to speak on, like, a certain community. Woody, like, take medicine. Woody, like, you know what I'm saying? He. He throw it off a little bit. He. He off a little bit. So I always look at anything he do like a kid, like. Like my son, like he gonna do. He don't got the. The functioning brain that we got who to take real medicine. So I ain't even sound like he.

[Big Bank]

Got a lot of sense to me.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, but that just come with, like, you just learning what to say when you going through life. You just learning things when you going through life. You know what I'm saying? I told the craziest niggas in the world are always the ones who you think got the sense of, like, boy, that ain't crazy, man. That nigga take real medicine. He overly did. What's wrong?

[Big Bank]

Definitely don't respect what he did. But I respect what he doing, though. You can tell he different.

[Young Thug]

That's what I respect. Like, yeah, you can see I don't even be judging at him because, like, I be seeing him doing his little shit on the Internet where he's just, like, talking to kids or he just trying to do things. He go to the couch, trying to talk to. He's just trying, like, all right, I don't respect niggas, like, right? I don't respect certain niggas. Cause you'll get out of jail and still be doing the same thing if you. That's why I say if you tell, just go on and make you some gospel music go on to do. Just get out the way. That's what keep you awake. That's what keep you away from certain shit. Just get out the way, bro. I don't respect no rat, but I respect. If you tell. You can't portray no street nigga. You got to get out of it. You got to get out the way. Once you do that.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[Young Thug]

You not running around acting like no gangster. You're not doing none of that no more. You ain't doing none of that. All that shit is dead, man. You told it's dead.

[Big Bank]

I think he for real about trying to change his life.

[Young Thug]

I understand it, but it's just like. I think so too. Cause he got. He got the. He crazy enough to the point where he don't gotta change. And he still won't be at fault because he really crazy. He really throw it off. But the fact that you crazy and you still trying to change is like. All right, say less.

[Big Bank]

Why you let Roscoe get on there and stir that pot, though?

[Young Thug]

You gotta think, bro. I can't talk to certain niggas, but it's just like with Roscoe. That's my man. He just love me. You know how that go. Like, he love. He love all us. Everybody who's on this. He love all them. He just upset, too. He's just mad. He love all these, bro. He just the same way I was in that interrogation room, trying my best to get him out of trouble or trying my best to make. Paint a picture of him like, man, hell, no. Shot a real shot. I ain't do that. Yeah, he just doing the same on the Internet with me. Like, he just looking at. He know me. He like, man, hell, no. Shot ain't none of that. Shot ain't no right shout a man shot a gangster. I'm telling you, he know he a man. Not even against the shot a man. I respect it. It's just the same I was trying to do with him in the terrorist room. He's just doing the same thing with me. Like, he just trying to take off for me. You know, that's how I go, bro. When you're a man in the real heart, with a real heart, bro, you're standing on real business. And. And everything just ain't no a chess move to you, bro. You gonna have faults, you gonna have hiccups, you're gonna have certain. Cause you're just a real person.

[Big Bank]

I just don't like to see the city in the climate that it's in. It's like, too divided, bro. And then they trying to say, like, you the head leader of dividing. Dividing the whole city. Like, all your beats divide this shit. This nigga Thug, this. This. This. Like, how you speak on that?

[Young Thug]

See, the thing. The thing that made me not say the nasseralo is because when I first got locked up, the narrative that the. That the DA was pushing was he divided the city. He made all these people beef, which is a complete lie. I made niggas get together. I stopped a lot of beefing. I stopped a lot of niggas from getting beef. I only had one beef my whole life, and it wasn't even my fault. I stopped a lot of niggas from beefing. I got Wham and Savage on the phone to stop whatever could have happened with them. I got on the phone, hey, bro, we brothers. That we ain't talking about no Internet and what's going on in the world. We talking about real life. Both of them gonna get on. Can get on your platform and say the same thing. Yes. That got both of us on the phone and told us, man, y' all acting like a bro. We ain't beefing, bro. That's Atlanta, bro. Everybody in this rap game, everybody in the industry, all over the world look at Atlanta, like the hometown of who stick together. So that's what I'm on. Everybody ask Wham. Ask Savage. I got them on the phone to stop their beef. And we and other. I got a lot of on the phone to talk about a lot of. I got got damn. Lil Key and Ola run on the phone. Hey, bro, me and Guac big homies in this man. In this rap game, man. We got them. We. We real, man. We big homes of the rap community. Like, we ain't doing that. Ola run, you up on the Gucci, Key, you up on the meat. Y' all ain't doing that. No. When nine Vicious saying ooze, divert like they finna get into. Hey, man, y' all didn't call me. We ain't doing it. How did. What. In what aspect? What in my entire career that's been up on a fucking microscope. At what point in my career can you or anybody in this world honestly say he stirred this pot?

[Big Bank]

They can say, I'm glad you had that. They can say, the shit you were telling Baby about P is like trying to break up a family.

[Young Thug]

No, but from my point of view, the family was. It was never a family from my point of view. Just being real. I told Baby in Allure inside the strip club, don't sign that deal with P. After I told Pete to sign them, because I thought people just gonna do the right thing. When I told Peter, sign Little Baby, I end up finding out all the. About the Migos, what he did with Amigos and, like, how, like, the ownership and all that. I found out all that. Then I tell Will, like, hell, no, don't sign with people. Hell no. Hell, no, don't sign with him in the. Inside the club. In the strip club. Well, we in this be throwing ones and looking at females. I mean, this having a heart to heart with Little One with Wham. My little brother. Hey, hell no. I don't sign with him. Hell no. Not even saying P no bad or none of that. But it's just like you ain't he my type of man. What I view as a man, he got some aspects that I view as a man, you know, I'm saying he take care of his family, he do what he need to do reports as far as his close family, his real family. He take care of his real family, take care of his kid. He a father to his sons and his daughter. He a dad. I look at. I respect that part. But like, I respect his business part too, because I'm a businessman. But I just do business different. So I don't do. I wouldn't do business like him. Like I went signed Wham and. Cause we knew P before he signed Wham. So we all was family. Like. Like I know your son. Like, they my little brother. You think I would ever in my life consider lil1 my little brother, if I sign him and take 100% of his masters, 100% of certain shit, like any percent. You think I would do that? It's my little brother. Me personally.

[Big Bank]

This shit business though. This shit business though.

[Young Thug]

I know, but you probably get something. I understand that. But a lot of shit is fair. Because Pete Mastermind in his music game, he knows rappers don't get rich off of music. Rappers get rich off of their shows. They endorsement. They don't get rich off strings. We get rich off shows, endorsements and masters. Rappers get the last money. Rappers get them. Rappers to be okay with the master money. Like Swiss Beat, Missy Elliott, Timberland. They got rich at an older age. They got rich off of their masters. They was able to sell they masters, you see what I'm saying, And get a bankroll. We know that. P know that.

[Big Bank]

But we watched P pouring the baby like a motherfucker.

[Young Thug]

No, he didn't. Cause you gotta understand, Wham took off as soon as he started. He ain't even get a chance to spend no real money on baby. Wham took off off top. His first song, the first song he put out with Tripp, like the third.

[Big Bank]

Song then we had. Because me and Wayne went on tour. That left them. We was on a little tour, a little run.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, but he was already doing freestyle.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, he did that. What the name of that song was, huh? Not my. For my dog Freestyle Money is option.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Bank]

And then she had Marlowe, Marlo and then that goddamn what's the name?

[Young Thug]

But freestyle was out without when all that was out, freestyle was out, too. Freestyle was just his biggest song at that point.

[Big Bank]

It was, yeah.

[Young Thug]

All that came out around the same time. All that probably came out the same year. I'm saying that to say he didn't have to spend money on wham. He spent money on wham just so he can have leverage to take a certain part of the cake and say, I spent money he didn't have. All my business, man. I'm telling you, bro, man to man. I tell people his face. Just man to man. No problem with you, no ill feeling, no nothing. I just tell you, man to man, face to face. You didn't have to spend no money on wham. I spent a lot of money on Gunner. Because it took Gunner a few years to blow. I put that nigga on song. Me, Travis Scott, and Gucci. All type of Gucci. Gucci don't want to phone like who the hell the brother is. I'm like, they gone. They're my new artist. I'm goddamn Travis Scott. Don't know who this is. They don't know him. Like, I put a lot of push behind. It took him four, five years to blow. Wham. Blew. First year rapping. How did you spend any money? I know the real business. I ain't going about for what. Cause you gotta understand, most of us just regular street. So we looking at it like, damn, buddy. But he going back to back road rest. But he doing it, man. That 3,500 a day, man, that's in 3,500. You don't made 50 million off of Migos. And wham, of course you supposed to buy wham a Rolls Royce truck. It's. It's money. Of course, I bought gonna a road rest truck off of my money. Not no money I made off him. I ain't never make a dollar off Gunner. Ask him. Never. This is my little brother, and I spent millions on the nigga. We just was still getting money. I'm still getting money, so I ain't never tripping. I ain't never get to the point where I was like, damn, I need the money. I was just still getting money. God was just still blessing me with money. So I ain't even never have a chance to be fucked up and try to get some money from Gunner. I never did that. I always helped him. He always put his money up and had to come to me to get money. Always. I never made a dollar off of this nigga, bro. And in my paperwork, I don't even remember my deal with him. I think my deal say something like 50 master 50 of all money that come in, all revenue. My. My deal was gonna. I probably got a 50% of everything that ever came out. Cause I had a bullshit manager at the time. I had a fucked up manager at the time when I made. I created my. My label. So my manager was one of them type of niggas like P. Like money hungry motherfucker. Like the nigga Manny the nigga from New York. He was one of them that was just like a money hungry, which. Which not bad. I respect him. He made me a lot of money too. But he the one who structured my deals. Like my paperwork. When you sign with me, he the one who structured this. So I signed Gunner back then when he had. When it was. When my label was on about. On his structure.

[Big Bank]

That's just your way of doing B. Cause you doing business out your heart. Other nigga doing business.

[Young Thug]

I understand that. I ain't tripping on the business. He signed Migos from Gucci. That's business. You don't know them none of that. You and Wham. Big homie is best friends. Wham is your little brother before Wham was rapping. Wham. Little bro like been coming around. You been doing certain shit. Been at your studio, been doing shit. Just gambling. Before he was rapping like this real family, this little bro. I'm telling you, him and Wayne was like. Like brothers. All this was brothers. Well, me and Wayne with brother and people. Wayne with brother. You know what I'm saying? I never really looked at people like a brother. I always looked at him like a businessman. Like, what's up, my boy? Like, you know what I'm saying? I ain't never look at him like. Like family. Cause we. We in business. We. Damn. That competition not to me because I fuck with your artist. I did songs with Migos when I was lit and they went. I did song with Wham before he made music. I paid for Wham first studio session. Not no fucking P. I paid for that. I paid for his first song. I did the first feature with him. Me, when he was just a regular young street gambling. I seen that. I'm telling you, this. This all facts. This ain't nothing peeking. Get on here and twist and lie and say, this ain't nothing way I can say. Lie and say, this is all facts. You didn't have to spend no money on Wham. You didn't. You didn't have to spend no money, bro. Just me knowing the business. Me being a boss man, a CEO in this business you ain't got to spend no money on. He blew too fast. If anything, you probably spent goddamn half a million. And that was just because you wanted to, not because you were trying to make him blow. That Young blew up so fab, bro. You ain't had time to spend no money. That bro, that was doing show that, bruh. I've been rapping since 2006. Self. Little boy. I blew up 2015. We spent a lot of this trying to blow. Wham. Blew up first year rapping. At what point could you spend money? How? How?

[Big Bank]

I don't know they business.

[Young Thug]

So I'm just saying.

[Big Bank]

Telling it to me.

[Young Thug]

I ain't saying they business. I'm just saying, like, say, I don't know that business. I don't know the musical business. I know it. I'm a CEO. He ain't had to spend no money on Wham. He spent money on Wham. But I feel like he did it strategically. I did. I feel like he did it. So niggas like you and niggas like us, that's real. That's regular niggas. That's street. Niggas can feel like, shout out to yo niggas blow.

[Big Bank]

Cause he already had a label, already had a machine, so it like, damn, they just put shot in the machine. He blew up.

[Young Thug]

But you really.

[Big Bank]

We can say he blew up fast because he had the machine too off the rip.

[Young Thug]

I think he had the street machine before that.

[Big Bank]

I think almost he did have that.

[Young Thug]

I'm telling you, that. Been getting 10,000, 15,000 likes on his pitch when he was a regular person.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. I agree with that. Yeah.

[Young Thug]

I be. I be wanting to give P the cooking because I respect some of the bending he do. Some of the he did. I respect it. I be wanting to give him the cookie. But I'm just a man, bro. I'm a real. No, I ain't saying he don't.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Young Thug]

I ain't saying that he don't.

[Big Bank]

I'm just putting that out there. Cause I know, like, this shit crazy. I just. Fuck all that. How do we get the city back to.

[Young Thug]

I feel like the best time I.

[Big Bank]

Say y' all nigga had, man, when goddamn, you know. Cause by the time y' all nigga really hit that summer, it was goddamn you, Rudy. It was you, Rudy.

[Young Thug]

Prom.

[Big Bank]

Goddamn, baby. God damn. Who else with y'?

[Young Thug]

All?

[Big Bank]

It was just like. It was looking like Atlanta. What that video was atl. They sent me the song to get on the song atl song with Marlo and goddamn.

[Young Thug]

Yeah.

[Big Bank]

Wham. That was looking like. Yeah, the young got it. They got to see they got it like. Like, you know, because that was right after. Who had your future? Let's say future and. And you know, your era future you rich home and all that. But it was like you were bringing. Cause you right there with me. I mean, like I'm bringing a new era. That's the baby, the goddamn Marlo, the Ralo, just all that problem child, everybody like that.

[Young Thug]

We.

[Big Bank]

We united. Like how we even get back for the city to be that. That's what I want to know.

[Young Thug]

What I want you to what. What I want you to think about is who. Who united all them together.

[Big Bank]

So how we do it then, slime? How we do that now? Like, how we do that?

[Young Thug]

I think.

[Big Bank]

At least to the point the way it don't be no. No, because. Yeah, because all this is going on, all this talking ain't gonna do number build egos and bump into each other. Hey, man, you gotta stand on the ego. That's why I don't like I don't. You gonna never see me condemn a on these podcasts, bro. Because I already know how this go. Niggas ready to go out bad behind their ego and they name. So I, I. When I first came to see I ain't gonna want to do nanny on. You know what I'm saying? But now it's like, I ain't on that, bro. I'm trying to. Cause I already know bruise like, how the hell y' all beat these folk? And thank you folk happy y' all beat them.

[Young Thug]

I know they ain't, bro.

[Big Bank]

That's what I'm saying. Whoever the energy, whatever. Nobody like you can't bring that energy back, bro. Niggas can't do that shit. Niggas ass gonna like when that boy fell out that motorcycle. They first they put the. The young Woody when he fell out of the motorcycle, they put it. They just put out the what's name. At first him laying on the ground. I prayed for that young like, man, I hope he ain't got shot. I hope he. I hope ain't nobody shot this boy. Cause it's finna be some man going to jail for good facts. For good. Like out there ain't gonna be no more of that maybe.

[Young Thug]

And it gonna be them other people better rallies.

[Big Bank]

Yeah. So what the. I know, man. I don't know, man. I don't know if I'm too old, bro. I'm 47. I ain't I can't go sitting there. So I'll be trying to tell these damn you, 47. Yeah, yeah. You know, I'm just saying, bro. I ain't trying my lesson, bro.

[Young Thug]

I was. I was at the thing I don't like about what Ralo said is, why is you painting that picture knowing that I'm the reason a lot of cooled each other and the DA just painted the same picture. That's police to me, bro. You can't get on the Internet and say you really divided the city. How. How the hell did I divide the city? I thrown the city together. I was at us with Lucha, no. Yeah, for sure.

[Big Bank]

So that's divine though, no. Cause if a nigga don't with you, niggas ain't with you.

[Young Thug]

No, that's not divine, bro, because you got to know the. You got to know the background. You got to know what's happening behind. Behind the media. You gotta have. When me and. When me and Lucy was at us and in a height. In the. In a. In a hype of the beef, ask Lucha what I did with him at the Hyper. Brother don't got nothing to do with me or you. Let make a song. I don't want no smart with you, bro. I tweeted it go on Twitter. It's on my Twitter still.

[Big Bank]

Back then consider this trolling.

[Young Thug]

No, it's not.

[Big Bank]

I said it could be considered as troll.

[Young Thug]

Man. If a get on the Internet and say you're a sister, you're a punk. I your hoe. If a nigga on the Internet and say all that and I get on the Internet and, and. And. And go up onto his. If I. If I reply to him on the Internet and say my. I don't want no beef with you. No, none of that. Let's do a song. Bro, that's not trolling.

[Big Bank]

I'm saying. I ain't saying it was trolling.

[Young Thug]

I'm saying it can be considered.

[Big Bank]

It could be considered.

[Young Thug]

Yeah. But as Luchi yourself, and I bet you he gonna say it went trolling.

[Big Bank]

Oh, you saying. Cause you know he knew he can't take it. I'm talking about the people for sure.

[Young Thug]

I ain't talking to people. We talking about us real life.

[Big Bank]

Saying he know like you already had him reached out to him before you even put that up. You said to him. And in public.

[Young Thug]

I said in public at the Hyper. I'm not known for that. Thor known for standing his ground. A nigga say something about man n you what I'm on that. You know I'm on that. What? I'm not known for that, nigga. I stopped from doing that and said, bro, let's do a song. I did him on Instagram too. We DM'd on Instagram. I'm like, lame, man. Let do a song. I don't want to be with you, bro. It's gonna doing a song. It's gonna be bigger than beefing. I'm telling you. I could bring you up to my level. I'm telling you. I DM him this. But you know, we in the hype of the beef.

[Big Bank]

But don't nobody know that, though.

[Young Thug]

I know that, but I think I don't care to express it neither, because I'm a real man and I don't do for certain reasons. I do it because what I feel like this me. You know what I'm saying?

[Big Bank]

You know what I'm saying?

[Young Thug]

Now we get to the point where I'm doing an interview with you now. I'm telling the world. Like, that's what I'm saying.

[Big Bank]

I'm making the point when you said, how could Rallo do that? I'm still. I'm showing you how he could.

[Young Thug]

No, because I don't have conversation with him too. Oh, I don't have conversation with Ralo too many times before he read it. I don't have too many conversations with this boy. I wasn't even tripping on him writing because ain't got nothing to do with me. I'm mad that you did what wrong? Cause I look at you like a real. But it don't got nothing to do with me, so I ain't tripping. I ain't gonna with you. But I ain't got. Hey, that don't got nothing to do with me, so I ain't tripping. You see what I'm saying?

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered black women and girls in America. There are several ways we can all do better at protecting black women. My contribution is shining a light on our missing sisters and amplifying their disregarded stories.

[Young Thug]

Stories.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

Stories. Like Tamika Anderson. As she drove toward Galvez, she was in contact with several people talking on the phone as she made her way to what should have been a routine transaction. But Tamika never bought the car and she never returned home that day. One podcast, one mission. Save our girls. Join the search as we explore the chilling cases of missing and murdered black women and girls. Listen to Hunting for answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jacob Schick]

I had this like overwhelming sensation that I had to call her right then and I just hit call, said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick. I'm the CEO of One Tribe foundation. And I just wanted to call and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling and there is help out there.

[Ashley Schick]

The Good Stuff podcast Season two takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a nonprofit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join hosts Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission.

[Young Thug]

I was married to a combat army veteran and he actually took is a marked desert site. One Tribe saved my life twice.

[Big Bank]

There's a lot of love that flows through this place and it's sincere now.

[Young Thug]

It's a personal mission. Don't want to have to go to any more funerals.

[Jacob Schick]

You know, I got blown up on a react mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head.

[Young Thug]

Welcome to season two of the Good Stuff.

[Ashley Schick]

Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mandy Money]

Hey sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance bro tell you how to manage your money again? Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part. When you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem. A year from now when you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan. Starting with your little local credit union. Shopping around online looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100 can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt and it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it and in fact make it even worse. For more judgment free money advice, listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Honey German]

Hola, it's Honey German. And my podcast, Gracias Come Again is back. This season we're going even deeper into the world of music and entertainment with raw and honest conversations with some of your favorite Latin artists and celebrities. You didn't have to audition.

[Big Bank]

No, I didn't audition. I have an audition in Nicoba. 25 happy years.

[Honey German]

Oh, wow. That's a real G talk right there.

[Big Bank]

Oh, yeah.

[Honey German]

We've got some of the biggest actors, musicians, content creators and culture shifters sharing their real stories of failure and success. You were destined to be a star. We talk all about what's viral and trending with a little bit of chisme, a lot of laughs, and those amazing vivas you've come to expect. And of course, we'll explore deeper topics that dealing with identity struggles and all the issues affecting our Latin community. You feel like you get a little whitewashed because you have to do the code switching.

[Big Bank]

I won't say whitewashed because at the end of the day, you know, I'm me.

[Young Thug]

Yeah.

[Big Bank]

But the whole pretending and co, you know, it takes a toll on you.

[Honey German]

Listen to the new season of Grass has come again as part of Michael Tura podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Big Bank]

But a came out the same. Who said that? Like how what's the name did he said that man such ain't tell on me. That's what Roscoe said, right?

[Young Thug]

Yeah.

[Big Bank]

Cleaning Listerine. Yeah, Roscoe said the Sean who saying told on Ralo came and said the same. Like, bro, they. They must trying to put some together, bro. Like basically you tell on me. So.

[Young Thug]

But no, that ain't. Basically ain't telling me.

[Big Bank]

What are you saying?

[Young Thug]

He.

[Big Bank]

He didn't tell Ronald.

[Young Thug]

If I say why would he be.

[Big Bank]

On the phone with the. Then he got a. Then he got dog food cake. Why would he be on the phone with Ralo? I'm just asking. I'm playing. Why would he be on the phone? Ralo acting like you ain't telling me. If I you can't call me if you told on me.

[Young Thug]

This the difference. This the difference. You got a man who ain't really got nothing going on in the world, so he damn near gotta go for certain. He damn near. Cause Ralo is the nigga in their hood. He don't. He the nigga who getting the money he getting in they hood. He then there gotta take care of you. Even though he you locked up for some. For some. That that could possibly have something to do with him or some like that. He the nigga like you. You damn. That got to just go with him. You don't got no other help. That's one. That's. That's number one.

[Big Bank]

But that's. But that. That ain't. That ain't the main facts though. That just. That could be.

[Young Thug]

I'm just saying that could be.

[Big Bank]

Could be.

[Young Thug]

When it comes to certain niggas.

[Big Bank]

Okay, yeah, like.

[Young Thug]

And then we gonna speak on the real facts. We ain't gonna speak on what something could be. The real facts is you have paperwork where you're saying, yes, he say this. Yes, he said this. Yes, he do this. Yes, he. You got paperwork on you.

[Big Bank]

He got a big ass book that ain't in that book.

[Young Thug]

What a paperwork, bro, that got so much sealed. And listen, bro, I don't even care to do all this type of. In the interview. We just. We can fast forward man to man. Yeah, Ralo. No, I don't even give a about who he told on. I know 100% he was going to take the stand on me and Lucha. I know that's a fact. On my freedom. On my freedom. That's a fact right here. On my freedom. Fact. He agreed to get on my. Get on the stand on my case. Whatever he knew about me and Lucha beef. If he knew something. I don't he know that he was in jail then that whole time we beefing. He just. You just squealing, bro. You just in a bit. You just trying to get out of jail. You lot up on some punk ass pet ass weed. Sit down. Sit down like you did all this extra. All this extra talk, bruh. We. I know for a fact you are gonna take the stand on my case and Lucci case.

[Big Bank]

All right. We've been fast forward this shit. How do we stop giving a fuck about what goes on in real street is millionaires? Like how do we stop giving a about this street? That's all I'm saying.

[Young Thug]

Like I think we got better than a.

[Big Bank]

But how do we stop giving out. Cuz to some people the we talking about is ignorant.

[Young Thug]

To some people.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, to some people. But not where we from. We try to uphold some though.

[Young Thug]

Ain't anybody upholding. It's about manhood, bro. We man bro. We ain't going to do. I ain't going. We ain't going to do that. No, I'm asking.

[Big Bank]

But I'm still having a conversation with you though.

[Young Thug]

Wait, I don't get that.

[Big Bank]

We make a trillion dollars but still, those lines.

[Young Thug]

Would you look at Elon Musk like. But you ain't. If Elon Musk a young girl is, you gonna look at it like, man that got down man made billions, but mine a whole nother place. No, right is right. Wrong is wrong. I don't give a what you made. Right is right. Wrong is wrong.

[Big Bank]

Well, try to be rational about this, bro.

[Young Thug]

I swear to God, bro. I don't got no problem, Rallo. I. I'm one of the first in the city they fought with that did some. That did any type of. With Rala. Me and Ralo had real smoke. I got on the phone, Rallo, when he was in jail, like, hey, what's up, nigga? You good? I'm praying you get out, bro. Then you get out push up on me like, I'm all for helping somebody, bro. I'm telling you, bro, this is how I get this what make me happy. Helping A is what make me happy, not even being getting millions.

[Big Bank]

But y' all leading the game, though, bro. Like, we what Leading the game. Like, you one of the biggest in the game, bro.

[Young Thug]

I understand.

[Big Bank]

So it's like, you gotta. You gotta kind of set a precedent for the young. You know what I'm saying? Like, all right, cool. That. That cool. That what we know, bro.

[Young Thug]

This.

[Big Bank]

All this you talking about come from trauma. You saying it, man, but it come from trauma.

[Young Thug]

You just said.

[Big Bank]

I said you was just a kid, didn't know nothing till your brother got killed. That you up in front of your face like, damn, that then. Then murder came to your mind. Then this shit came to mind. Then the way a living all this shit that is untreated.

[Young Thug]

Some. Untreated, bro.

[Big Bank]

The way a think is untreated, dog. That's all I'm saying. I ain't saying that a. Nobody wrong nobody. No. Everything that we all went through and going through is a trick bag.

[Young Thug]

I'm already knowing that. That's why I don't go against. I don't go against, bro. I try my best to put my. My best foot forward, bro. I always do, bro. You know how much I could talk to you about right now, bro? You gonna say, damn, but E. As I don't care to talk about that. Cause we just move forward. I'm happy. I'm running around living my life. Why I think I'm happy. I'm running around living my life, bro. I'm doing what I'm doing.

[Big Bank]

You got everything you want, but you ain't happy, bro. Cause a happy don't Even give like you passionate about this. You talking about, bro. And you so far removed from it, not to say a supposed to turn into something else. Like, bro, I'm out the game. No straight, no scars. But I ain't.

[Young Thug]

I'm still bank, but I'm something else. Yeah, but you gotta think what?

[Big Bank]

You can't even entertain it, bro. Can't even send me certain on Instagram.

[Young Thug]

I don't entertain certain. I don't care about this. I ain't never been. This is the smallest I ever been in the world, bro, to like me being a real bro. I don't do none of this. I don't pillow talk. I don't do none of that, bro. I'm a real man, bro. I'm playing.

[Big Bank]

But you get what I'm saying though, right?

[Young Thug]

Of course. I'm just. This is my first time ever even going through like this. I'm telling you, bro, I don't deal with this type of shit.

[Big Bank]

I'm glad you speaking on it though. Like it's all. It's always five sides to a story, bro. You know what I'm saying? But. But I'm a. I don't even see no Crash, bro.

[Young Thug]

I ain't gonna do nothing look like Crash.

[Big Bank]

That's the course though.

[Young Thug]

I got. No, it ain't. I got looking like it. It looked like it, but not for you.

[Big Bank]

I'm just saying, for the whole thing.

[Young Thug]

You can't say who wanna crash Crash. That's what I'm saying. Crashing gonna have to be a nigga wanting to do something to me. I'm not. Listen, I don't respect certain shit that n do, but I respect life and I respect the air that we breathe, Earth. I respect everything that we got. My son live with me, man. I take my son to school every morning, bro. Ain't nothing being that my son going to school in a double law every day. No, nothing. Beat that, bro. My son a real scientist, a genius, smart as a bro. Don't then beat that. My every. All my kids are with me the whole summer. Except one of my kids. All my kids are with me the whole summer running around doing family. We got houses everywhere we go. I'm telling you, I'll be, bro. Did the first time ever even like understanding what's going on in the world like real life. I was just so happy and just so blind to like betrayal and niggas doing whole. That I would never do. I'm just now getting to that point in my life, bro. I'm telling you, man. You gotta understand why it's like, hard for me to just go forward and just like, attract the masses of. By doing certain hard and impossibly two different things, though. I know that hard it was.

[Big Bank]

It was hard for you to goddamn become a millionaire.

[Young Thug]

But it wasn't impossible. That's a fact.

[Big Bank]

So hard and impossible, two different things. You can do it like that. I'm saying, like, how do a first step gotta, like, run? I ain't coming trying to be no therapist today. But I'm saying first step, nigga gotta acknowledge what he really going through. I what I had to do, bro. I had the knowledge like, damn, man, everybody gonna think, how you think you cut different. I had to tell myself that every person is cut different. That's why we got different fingerprint, different goddamn how they. When they. When they identify it. We all got different bro to be identified. So we ain't gonna think. Don't think alike. But you taking like you said early on, my mama raised us to love, love, love. So I always trying to find people to love. Like you had a whole bunch of that. Never had loyalty for each other and trying to put them in one crew. How the hell they gonna be Lord loyal to each other. That needs mobile niece movie. But you love everybody ain't gonna work Nico to jail. And they like, bro, you ain't even over there them. Am I right or wrong? You just said it in the first beginning. Like, I've just always been looking for friends to love. Look for this person love. Look for this person love. But the hardest way to get a zipped up in the end. Because your reaction off of using your heart gonna make you seem like a. Cause you speaking from your heart. I haven't been through that. I ain't gonna say if that's what you going through, but I haven't been through that. Like, thinking like, I'm so passionate about how I what I stand on. Like, how y' all don't get it, but some nigga don't get it. Now I don't get it right? You saying I don't get a slap. You get it, bro.

[Young Thug]

Just. You gotta. That's why. Just like, you gotta understand, like, bro, I did so much, bro. Just like I raidy, bro. I raid to like, honored life be men. I raised a to be a man, bro. Like, I can't go for what you saying because I know I played a part in raising them, and I ain't never did no whole to them. None of these will ever be able to get on your podcast and say I did. No, but I still raised you still, nigga, I was grown when you met me. But you still raised me in certain ways. I'm telling you certain ways. I look up to you and you ain't never got no money together, nigga. I raised some of these nigga, and we got money together. That make it even deeper. We stand on certain morals and principle, bro. When I speak on umphone to Ghana or Pluto or Wham. When I speak on him before this situation, when I speak on him, guess what I say to them. Oh, yeah, you know, Shout out. Got a license shota sitting on that bump right now for not telling. We instill that shit in each other, bro. You, bro, how fuck is you gonna like, just man to man. How the hell can you go against the grain? And that's why I look at like you could guess what. I respect you. Cause you don't. You don't take sides. You don't do certain things. You. You tell us what's right and what's wrong. Cause you're an older street, you're og. You tell us what's right and what's wrong. I live all these morals with who, who, who, who came in the game with me, bro. I teach all these. All these do sucking toward me, bro. Everyone, anybody you can name who we've been talking about in here. These talk to holes about me do all type of. I still love them. I still just. I love y'. All that, man. That's just how he is when it comes to girls. It's all right. I love them. That's just how he is. That's how he is.

[Big Bank]

But I'm saying a gonna carry that forever and they gonna try to heal. Like, that's all I'm saying. Now. I get what you said. I get what you're saying. How you feel? That's your perspective. We don't perspective. So you give me your perspective on how you feel and how you was ready the you stand on. But how do a move forward? Cause they can't like that. You can see that consuming the where the music is.

[Young Thug]

You just played me some hard ass.

[Big Bank]

Now, why that ain't that the is a thinking about.

[Young Thug]

Cause I just don't got my twin, bro. I don't got me friends, bro. I'm just up, right? I'm up, bro. The who I be with every day.

[Big Bank]

I don't got them no more, bro.

[Young Thug]

I'm up, bro.

[Big Bank]

Damn, bro.

[Young Thug]

I don't know. I don't know what to do, bro. Like. And I ain't lose no to a tragic or now I lost a to betrayal. Bro, you signing that one piece of paper. Signing your initials on this one piece of paper could get me a life sentence. My how you like what? Come on bro. I get a license. All this piece of paper you signed bro just cause you trying to get home fast? Are you just trying to get to a hole? Are you just doing a certain thing, bro? And you already done betrayed a before, bro.

[Big Bank]

Damn.

[Young Thug]

A piece of paper? You gonna let a piece of paper in all this? We men bro. We brought us. Ain't no in the world making me go again Gonna no bruh. What? Yeah. You've been around me 10 years knowing you told on our other bro. You told don't do why you told on Duke, bruh. When them was shooting at you little wood. I. I helped you hide. You ain't had nothing to do with none.

[Big Bank]

He said I helped you hide.

[Young Thug]

I gave you money to put your family and your baby mama and your and they mamas and sister them in hotels and do this just to help you. I know you ain't had nothing doing none of that. The police know you ain't had nothing to do none of this.

[Big Bank]

But the in the street didn't know though.

[Young Thug]

It don't matter. That is up. It's a war at this point. At this point it's a war. Hide your kids, hide your wife, go to war. Cause you've been standing on it. This whole beef started because of you. The whole started because of Lil Wooten. How the you gonna tell this started cause of you.

[Big Bank]

Damn.

[Young Thug]

The whole case, bro. This shit because of you my boy. The whole case cause of Wooten. Some sucker shit this nigga did to nut them some sucker shit. We just being real niggas and your brothers and standing behind you. Fuck that. You did some suck ass shit. But why D Nigga, I fuck with you now you got Shannon, Yak, me, Duke and everybody else who's who got them on our side. You got all this all us going through shit because of your own action that you did on your own time. And you fold it. You told you did the worst. I'd rather you tell the ops where I live than tell the police. We go to prison forever. Nigga, I'd rather die than go to prison. You better off telling the ops where I'm at, bro. However. What the you mean move forward man? You want me to get out of jail like these ass and just go forward and don't speak on. Just go forward and live my life? Just Woody do. Yeah, I got blessed. They let me out of jail. I can't. I don't know.

[Big Bank]

Two years transport to be healing. Bro, you in there talking how the.

[Young Thug]

I'm a heel in the midst of the fire. How I'm a heel in fire.

[Big Bank]

Damn.

[Young Thug]

Tell me how.

[Big Bank]

Basically what you you saying? You. You trying to block out a lot of you suppressing that what they call it.

[Young Thug]

They're trying to go for it.

[Big Bank]

Still trying to be young thug at the same time trying to hold up an image.

[Young Thug]

Basically being a real. I ain't holding no image.

[Big Bank]

No, I'm just saying image up.

[Young Thug]

This ain't no image. This real life.

[Big Bank]

I'm saying that you ain't hurt, though.

[Young Thug]

Oh, the image. I'm not being hurt. I don't even. I ain't even the image.

[Big Bank]

Cause a be hurt.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, but I ain't never even woke up until right now talking to you and noticed that I would hurt. I ain't never even knew that. I just thought I was just running around just living life like this. God just made me a happy person. I'm just happy. I think I'm happy. That's why I just told you earlier when you said, why you ain't just doing what you supposed to do when you got out of jail? What I know you to do, bro? Why you ain't just being Michael Jackson? Oh, I thought I would. I thought I went happy. Hell, I'm just chilling. I still just wake up some days and get in my feelings about certain shit. Cause I feel like Garner, you my brother. I love you to death, nigga. Why you ain't gave me an explanation? You not to get in touch with me, nigga, my daddy put me in your group text. I don't even want you to have my number. My daddy put us in a group text. I called my members like, hey, who the hell number this is? He got them, made some phone calls, he come back, that's gone to them. I'm. I tell my dad, man, what the would you put me on text with it for, bro? What the you got going on?

[Big Bank]

Because he knowing too hurt, bro. I think, I think, I think. Goddamn.

[Young Thug]

But guess what? Garner didn't take advantage of that. I wouldn't even probably care to hear the anyway. Cause I feel like once you. Once you break a rule from your manhood, once you rat or once you turn gay. And I don't got nothing against gay people. It's gay people that work for me. But when I look at you a certain way, if I look at you. If I meet you and you gay, it's like, okay. If I meet you and you portraying that you a man and you not gay, I don't got nothing against gay people. You know what I'm saying? If you portraying a certain thing, you deceive him, right?

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

I can't look at you the same. I ain't mad at you for being gay. So what? Everybody, whoever gay, they gay. So what, nigga? I don't got no problem with gay people. Gay people work for me right now. I'm damn near around gay people every day because they work for me. I don't got no problem with them. I don't even. I don't hate that I even brought this. I don't want you to take it out. But I hate I even brought it up because I only want the. The lgtp. I only want that community to even think that I'm against them. I'm overly with y'. All.

[Big Bank]

I'm saying, DL Bro, that what you speaking on.

[Young Thug]

Like, if I look at you like a man and we together, girls together, and we doing certain. And. And I look at you in a man like. Like, boy, that. And then I find out you gay. It ain't really nothing you can say to me. Yeah, I'mma just look at you like, you broke a man code. You broke a code that men with backbone stand up to. You broke that code. You can talk, you can say whatever you want to say. You broke a man code. I don't look at you the same, but in real life, I don't even want to hear what you got to say, but you still supposed to be a real nigga to say. I'm finna say it. I don't give a fuck he want to hear it or not. I'm finna say it to make sure he know. And that's why I'm doing this interview.

[Big Bank]

He might not be one anyone. I'm just speaking stir the pot.

[Young Thug]

That ain't staring about telling. Saying, get on the Internet and saying how you feel about betraying your brother. How the is that staring apart how you ain't getting on the Internet saying, oh, this did this. This did it, didn't do and bring other. You ain't doing all that. You get on the Internet and saying, even if you're not on the Internet, my dad put us in text message, so you can't even get do no interview in the future. In the near future. You can't do no interview and say, I ain't got his number. I Ain't got in touch with him. You overly got my number, Overly. That just further my conspiracy.

[Big Bank]

You saying even after all the shit, all the jails you been taking, you still supposed to submit?

[Young Thug]

Cause you know you wrong. It ain't even about submitting. It's about speaking. Your piece did what it is, bro. Yeah, so basically I don't like bro. Imagine a nigga, bruh, we fighting to say YSL is not a game. Me and bank, best friend in my mans. We done made all the millions in the world together. I gave you the meetings. We ain't make them together. I gave them to you. You get on and you take a plea and say duct tape is a game and it must end. Just be. Just be a man. You don't think that you owe the explanation. No matter what Thor saying thugs say bank or rat all day. Bank a rat. He a rat, nigga. I can say that all day. And you can't say nothing about that. Cause you did. But that's gonna stop you from giving me an explanation as a man. So maybe he need to get in touch with his feelings as a man. Bro, you post a tech, you post a bro. This what I did. Did what I was thinking, if you rocking with it rock if you're not it, how can you just get. How can you just do what you did to me and then just go live your life like ain't nothing happened? Like, how can you do it, bro? I can't do that. I feel like I ain't do nothing in the world wrong in my interrogation. And I still can't go just go by living my life without addressing it. I still gotta address it.

[Big Bank]

Cause you know it's wrong for even.

[Young Thug]

Being in there as a man. I gotta explain this to niggas that I love that look at me like a gangster. That look at me like a man.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

It's in this world that's gonna be like, what the is you doing?

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

Practice what you preach.

[Big Bank]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Young Thug]

That's why I'm speaking on it. Cause I'm a man and I got real feelings. And I care.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

And I'm gonna make it right. How the imma just go forward. How that mean to me? You never felt the way I felt about you. About me. You never did. I die before I go again that even today still I die before I go against him. The only thing I'm ever say, you're a rat. You're a rat, bro. You're a fault. You did what wrong? You betrayed me, man. Being a part of his demise or anything like that. I'm never doing that. I love the mama. That mama like my mama. I bought his mama first piece of jewelry. Obviously, he presented it like he bought it. I did that. She probably never know that.

[Big Bank]

We can talk about that all night. And I tell you, I'm gonna just bring it back to Bro. This got you up. You said that, right? And you. You agree, right? You just. We just unlocked it, right?

[Young Thug]

All right.

[Big Bank]

How do you heal, bro? How do you. How do you move forward, period?

[Young Thug]

No, Bank, I ain't. That's why I'm talking to, like, you. Whatever I talked to og. You gotta put me down. I don't know. You gotta put me. Somebody tell me what I can do. Like, bro, I'm just telling you. Play with the stick. I'm telling you. My girl.

[Big Bank]

How you heal then? See, I heal.

[Young Thug]

I healed it like that with soap and water. So one ain't gonna hear this, right?

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

Guess what? You more in touch with your feelings. Cause you're an older man.

[Big Bank]

You more.

[Young Thug]

You more in touch with how life is. You done been my age before. I ain't been your age. So you could tell me if you know, tell me ways I can heal. I don't know. I'm telling you my perspective. I'm telling you why I'm up. I'm telling you why I can't go forward. Why not? Why I can't go forward. I can go forward. I'm telling you why I haven't went forward.

[Big Bank]

First step is knowing what you just said. First step is knowing.

[Young Thug]

I ain't never know till today.

[Big Bank]

First of knowing. The second step is goddamn knowing that you know. God, I don't know. You just gotta, man. You got it, bro. Whatever, man. Like, everybody, man, just gotta move forward with their life, man. Make sure this don't turn into nothing else. That's all I'm saying. Whoever on the Internet, talking to Internet, you and Ghana. I feel like y' all need to have a conversation. That's just how I feel.

[Young Thug]

So have you ever been. Have you ever been betrayed by one of your friends?

[Big Bank]

Yes.

[Young Thug]

So bad to where you can't talk to him no more? Don't lie. Yes.

[Big Bank]

But I still. If a. If a. If a. If I see a mama or something, tell my brother I say I love him. Cause I do.

[Young Thug]

I understand it.

[Big Bank]

Can't turn my heart off.

[Young Thug]

That's enough.

[Big Bank]

I ain't finna say nothing about you. Ain't finna name me. Cause I already know what it gonna lead to. We keep Going back and forth. And that gonna lead to something else.

[Young Thug]

That's another thing I don't respect. A ain't contact my mama when you did what's wrong in that courtroom. You ain't get out of jail and run to my mama immediately. You ran to your mama, who I take care of. You ain't run to my mama, who you ain't never did nothing in the world for nothing. You ain't pull up on my mama and say, hey, I know, bro. Going through some here, bro. Help me help bro sent money that these. Sent money to help me pay for my lawyer. Wham. Send the money, all that. That's why Wham hurt like these. They talked to him. I ain't talking to them. These hell conversation with when I'm told the man, hell no. What never. Don't never do that. But if Y' all get 100 years on that bump, we gonna take care of your mama and your family forever. And know Wham mean what he say he stayed on his business home a real one. D held conversations with Wham. And Wham told you what? No, sir. No, you can't do that. What? That's the worst. No, I ain't pull up on my mama, bro. I didn't talk hell conversation with my mama. And go. My mama said, man, 40. Cause she's an old lady, so she don't even care about. Care about no ranting, doing all that. She's an old ad lady. My mama get on the phone and she say, like, man, them. They can't pull it on me. Ain't none of them. They came to see me, guess what? Wham. Then pulled up, gave my mama bags. Gunchos Pluto that gave my mama dunchos cash. Exo cash. And I pulled up several times, gave him a dunno. That probably gave him over 3, 400,000, boy. Like gaffers. 50, 60, under 120. Whatever he have on him, he'll just pull up on my mama Jetta hug and kiss him. And whatever he got on, he just get to here. It might be 36, 000 here, Mom. Dude, bro, you ain't even put up on my mama. And that's why I say you don't. You're not a man. Because you ain't even never told your mama all the shit I done did for her. Your mama think you the real. Your mama think you taking care of. You never even told your mama, man, Sly did this. Cause guess what? You not a man to me. You living your life according to your. Your rap career. The only regret I have is ever in my life messing with them, ever. I probably had better judgment with who I take with me, bro, why do you need a whole up, but I can't function right? I'm telling you, bro, I'm up, bro. Like, ain't even about none of this interrogation, all that. That petty. I ain't never tripping on that. When I got on the phone with you the other day, what I said, hey, bro, I did what wrong? And you said, you ain't do nothing wrong. The only thing you did wrong was even talking to them before sending somebody to jail or telling on somebody. You ain't do none of that. Cause that's what I care about. I care about that. I'm a man. I honor who I love. I respect. I honor that. I honor that. You ain't even told your mama and your dad and your brother, them that I was the one who helped you do all the shit for them. You did not saying you wouldn't have did it, but you wasn't able to do it at the moment you needed to be done. I did it. You ain't never tell them that. I fought with Weekend. I look at that nigga like a big bro to a certain extent. We ain't never just, like, hung out, hung out like that. But I fought with Cash. Cash, my brother. This nigga a part of my management team, Sal. A part of my management team. I paid money for your album to go number one. You ain't. You're not bigger than no Weekend. I paid money for your album to go number one. The thing I don't respect about El is she tell you that she on the phone with you in jail saying, man, take your plea gone. The. Ain't none of y' all real. Ain't none of y' all gonna just.

[Big Bank]

Say, damn, you can't say that.

[Young Thug]

She said, who can't?

[Big Bank]

You can't just say.

[Young Thug]

He said he told some. Some of our friends that it was part of the reason he took his plea. It was like, man, bro, you got to focus on your career. You gotta. You gotta. I'm telling you. And she said. He was saying it. She was saying it. She was saying it to the. To the degree of like. She was also. She knows she lying. She know how to play the game. You know, she came up on the Pluto. She know how to play the game, but she was telling him, like, if you want to help Slide, you need to get out so you can help slime. What made. What made me know that that was some Cap is when you got out of jail, you didn't help Slime at all. When you got out of jail, you didn't help Slime at all. Savage sent money to Thug. Wham. Sent money to Thug. Pluto sent money to Thug. Cash sent money to Thug. Drake sent crazy bankroll to Thug. Gunner didn't send no bankroll to Thug. Garner didn't pull up on Thug Mama. Garner didn't pull up on Thug Family. Gunner didn't pull up on Dolly. Gunner didn't pull up on nobody. That has nothing to do with Thug. So it's no way possible, you think that Elle was serious when she said you gotta get out so you can help Thug Man? You ain't get out and do nothing to help me at all. You do an interview and say I'm providing how. What the fuck you providing at? What you talking about? Why you ain't pulled up on my mama? Gave them nothing. I'm so solid, right? That nigga signed to me right now. I'm so solid. I still ain't never took a dollar from him right now. And he's signing me ever. I still ain't took a dollar like I ever. I still ain't collecting none of my money that he owed me right now to this day. Never still ask him. Never. Man, that shit might be goddamn floating in the wind somewhere. I ain't even stunned looking for it. I feel like that's not godly. That's not a godly gift. I feel like the devil get gifts too. I feel like that. That ain't a God gift. That ain't a gift. God want that. Want me to have. I don't want it. I don't want that. It. I. I'd rather die. And then the lawyers figure that out. Oh, this. He made either 3,4 million off of Gunna music. Get this to the kid. I. That I ain't, bro. I'm so up about that, Brian. I'm so much of a real nigga. I still can't even be no fuck. I still can't even go not. That ain't even been a. I can't even be a businessman with the. After he did what he did, I still ain't never did nothing to him.

[Big Bank]

You really want to forgive?

[Young Thug]

No, I don't.

[Big Bank]

No.

[Young Thug]

I don't swim. I wish he did something lighter so I could forgive him. I don't. Yeah, but I don't cry many nights about this. This ain't about no Wham Pluto Savage, man. Every one of them. When it come down to how I feel in real life not saying them on no. When it come down to me making a man. Cause I'm. I didn't raise these to a certain extent. You think I care about what they feel? I can't. Hell no. I'm a man. No. What he did, I would never do. That piece of paper you signed could have sent me to prison for the rest of my life. With Gunner taking that plea, was it harmful to me? Yes, 100%.

[Big Bank]

You out because.

[Young Thug]

Just because.

[Big Bank]

God.

[Young Thug]

That's what I'm saying. I'm saying it was harmful. But the way my lawyer and the rest of the. That's what. That stayed a part of the case. The way we, our lawyers worded it. Because you gotta think we going in, we going into trial saying that YSL is not a game. Now you got gunna and the rest of these seven take a plea and say YSL is a game. Except Duke. Everybody else who took a police at YSL is a game. Now my lawyer. Now we happen to meet all the lawyers having a roundtable. Me now all the. All the lawyers saying, why? I said, ain't no game. This. These are the points we're gonna hit. This is what we're gonna do. Why I said, not a game. This is what we're going to.

[Big Bank]

All.

[Young Thug]

All lawyers are lying. 100 all they had. This is what we doing. Huddle, break. Now this. Take a plea and say it is game. Now the seven take a pleas head of this game. Now they going back into the draw to the drawing board. Now the lawyer going to the drawing board like, well, now we talking to the jurors. First we telling the jurors why sale ain't a game. Now we going back to the jury say, well, some people might say it's a game, but we ain't a part of that part of it. We a part of the record label part.

[Big Bank]

Hold up. So let me. Let me ask you something. One more thing about this. So did y' all see. Gonna plea before he took it. Before we knew. Did y' all know?

[Young Thug]

My. The lawyers did.

[Big Bank]

They ain't tell y'.

[Young Thug]

All. My. My lawyer told me. I'm saying, like my lawyer said, I think Sergio Kitchen is going to take a plea today. I said, you think so? He said, yes.

[Big Bank]

So I didn't get a chance to.

[Young Thug]

Get his lawyer and be like, hey.

[Big Bank]

Man, no, no, no, man, let's stay on track.

[Young Thug]

Of course we did all that. His lawyer, my lawyer, My lawyer was the head honcho of the lawyers. He telling everything that happened in that trial came from Brian. Everything. He told every lawyer what to do, what to get up there and stay. Matt Sharp is top tier. Brian told that everything to say to help Shannon. Everything. Them talk to each other every day, obviously. Max Shark mastermind. And he know how to protect him and Brian in the same office. Brian gave that rooms in his office. Brian owned his whole building. This office space. He got 10, 15 rooms, man. Max Sharp, five of these rooms. Your L like buddy in a huddle three years straight, everybody on one accord until that happened. When he took the plea, the who got off the case was out of the huddle. All the rest of the lawyers who still was on the case was still in the huddle. But we had to change the plan. Hey, we gonna run to the right now. We got to change the plan. Hey, we're gonna run to the left and we're gonna say, some people did run to the right, but we ran to the left code. It was open. We. You gotta think. Do it hurt the case. You gotta. You got jurors sending it saying, we don't know none of these. We know young thug and gonna average. We know these two people. These are superstars. Rest of these is nothing. We know these. These is the head honchos. This is what the state's saying. The state don't even gotta say it. We the two richest on the case.

[Big Bank]

The. The.

[Young Thug]

The jurors gonna think that anyway. The state don't even gotta say it. They would have been better off not even paying that narrative cut. The jury's already thinking that they was painting the narrative so bad to the point where it made the jurors like, man, now you just talk. It might not be like that. It might not be like that. You better off not even speaking on that and just letting the jurors come up with that they self. They were gonna come up with it theyself anyway. If I'm looking at 26 niggas in a room, 28 niggas in a room, and two of these nigga millionaires, okay? These are two bosses. That's what I'm thinking anyway. But when you take your plea now, it's like we go from YSL not being a gang to. Well, my YSL is a gang to certain people, but not to Ms. Williams. Ms. Williams is all about music. What you mean, did it hurt the case? I heard somebody do an interview, and they asked one of the lawyers, Mr. Weinstein, goddamn salute to him. I love him. They asked Mr. Weinstein. They're gonna hurt. They're Gonna hurt the case. And he was just speaking from what happened after the pleas. We was in this courtroom tanning Tanny, the state ass apart. They couldn't beat us in. No. No way, shape or form. No way. They wouldn't beating us. So that's why we say what they. What them taking the plea didn't harm the case. We saying that overall, it ended up not harming the case. But right at that moment when you take the plea, yes, that harms the case. We saying that it's not a game. You taking the plea as the second man in charge. You taking the plea as the second man in charge. And you said it did harm the case. I mean, and you saying that it is a game that harms the case. Why would a interviewer. Why would anybody doing the interview even ask that question? Did it harm the case? Nigga off. What the fuck you mean?

[Big Bank]

Yes, I guess the question should be, did it harm the outcome?

[Young Thug]

It ended up not harming the case because of the masterminding of the rest of the lawyers as the court case, as the trial went on.

[Big Bank]

So basically, in your mind, you feel like this nigga got out of jail. Feeling like, man, this nigga, he gone overly.

[Young Thug]

I feel like all them took a plea in the beginning. Cause they thought we were gone. They thought n. What the hell? What the other reason is you went from a real nigga, a stepper, a real live street nigga, respected street nigga, to a rat. Cause you thinking they look. Damn, man. All right, Twin, I'm gonna hit you back. I love you, bro. Doing the interview, he just. He didn't even know nothing about that. He's just speaking like. We just talking man to man. That's why. That's why I asked you questions. Like, bank what? Man to man, I understand the. The light and the. The political. I understand the political behind everything. But just man to man, man, brother to brother, big homie to little homie, if you go into jail and you plea out before the trial even start, what the are you thinking, boy? This. Oh, man. You don't remember them Zoom calls that was all over the Internet? The Zoom calls? When we was going to court, them first few times on Zoom, before we made it to the courtroom, we was on Zoom. We was doing Going for Buns. And, man, you don't remember me asking that on the Zoom. We don't even pull the talk. I broke the law. I'm on the Zoom. I said, gonna you look at me on the Zoom? I say, you good. Chin up. You good. He say.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

Or some. I forgot what he said, but he just. The energy was yet down. Not even on a bush. No function in that. Like the energy with that down.

[Big Bank]

Yeah.

[Young Thug]

So it just automatically made me start thinking, like, little bro, you good. I'm not saying that, you know, rat. And then at that point, I'm just like, what you going through? You good? And that's why. Cause I'm a big brother to these. So that's why I do, like, head up when we only calls when we in this courtroom, man, head up, chin up. That if we go to prison for the rest of our life, whoop. They do. We go to prison and we fight to get out this. If we beat these folk, who they do we beat them? We go forward. That's that how I go.

[Big Bank]

But can a feel like. Well, it was still left on the case. And you took your plea.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, but my plea didn't say. My plea couldn't harm nobody. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, my plea. My plea. I ain't say YSL with no gang in my plea. I ain't say nothing in my plea. That's why I didn't do the plea. The state offered me a plea, and they wanted me to say YSL was a gang. I'm the owner of ysl, the gang. And YSL must end in the state's plea. They say all this in their plea. I told them I'm not doing that. So they wanted me to tell about nut getting killed. I don't know nothing about that. They want to tell me. Don't want me to tell about Chamele drinks. The other from their side getting killed. The three, four more from their side getting killed. Even they were talking about who got killed from their side. They weren't even involved in the case. They just wanted me to tell on that. Like you gonna tell them all this. We know you know about all this. I'm telling them. I swear to God. All my freedom. I don't know about none of this. I'm in the clouds. I really don't know about this. Guess what that state end up saying. We going back and forth. We, we, we, we, we. We. We just talking about the plea. The agreement. The plea agreement. Weeks and weeks. We never can come to agreement. Guess what the DA say. Finally, Willis say, well, you don't got to speak on none of this shit. You don't got to tell on nobody getting killed. You don't got to tell about none of that. I take all this out of the plea. But you must say YSL is a gang and you the owner of ysl. Man, I'm not doing it. Beat it. I'm a man. YSL not a game to me. Beat it. Can't. I don't give a. No freedom in the world can make me do that. No. Guess what? Brian say I ain't gonna do the plea. Fuck it, let's go on finish trial. Say less. The next day he come to me with a plan. He say, you ever heard of a goddamn non negotiated plea? I'm like, nah, what's that? He like, well, you don't gotta deal with the da. You deal directly with the judge. That means you get up in front of the judge and you say, you guilty of these crimes. I say I'm not guilty of that. I'm not in the game. I'm not guilty of YCL being a game, the rico. I'm not guessing that, Brian. So I wouldn't get. I don't want to get up in the courtroom and say I'm guilty of that. That's not true. I don't want to get out of jail that bad, bruh. That's not true. Let's go on, go to, let's finish this trial. And he want to do the plea anyway. Brian like, man, we gonna beat the sleaze all day motherfucking ass. I'm just telling you, you can't get convicted of this cause it was in your house. So that's why when we did the non negotiated plea, Brian, when we were talking to the judge, Brian was talking about the charges that I had. Brian like, hey, we plead none, no low to this charge. We plead not give to this charge. We plead not get to this charge. We plead not get to these charges. We'll plead guilty to these charges. Cause these are the, these are the, this the shit that they found in his house. I'm on probation for the shit they found in my house the day we went to jail. I'm not on probation for nothing that the DA was trying to say I was guilty of. I'm only on probation for what they found in my house. That's first of all in my plea. My plea was non negotiated. I went straight to the judge, hey, you, Honor, I'm guilty of these crimes, but I'm guilty of having these controlled substance in my house. I'm guilty of having these pills in my house. I'm guilty of having this weed in my house. I'm guilty of having these guns in my house. I'm guilty of having this serve in my house. That's what I'm guilty of, rico, being in a violence, criminal street game. Why I say all that? I'm not guilty of none of that. I ain't doing that. Guess what the judge said, I agree. I'm going to find you guilty of this shit that I found at your house. So my plea was a plea that I was going to end up with anyway. Cause if I would have beat the case, I still would have got found guilty of the shit that they found in my house.

[Big Bank]

You think you got more time? You think you got some jail time if you went like, went all the way through it?

[Young Thug]

Nah, because she ended up. Cause, yeah, I mean, Shana had got found guilty of one of his charges, having a firearm as a convicted felon. So he probably went to jail 10 years for that. Off top. 10 years. And it was a switch. 10 years off top. He got acquitted for everything else, all the murders and shit. He got acquitted, but he got found guilty for that one charge. Cause they gotta find him guilty even if the jurors won't. Even if the jurors want to goddamn to say that he innocent. They can't.

[Big Bank]

So Shannon kept aside all the way out too.

[Young Thug]

Yeah, that gentle law. But when, when, when he got found. When they say you. You acquitted for everything but you guilty of this gun charge, we are we in our mind thinking like, damn, he's gonna go to prison for the gun. Get what the judge say, you've been through enough. I'm gonna let you out. So I feel like now if I would have stayed in the trial, I would have got found guilty of the. That they found in my house. Because it ain't no law that tell the jurors they can. They can get around it. It ain't no way to get around it. So the jury's like, ain't nobody claiming in this, like, we gotta find them guilty for this. There's no way around it even if they want to. You see what I'm saying? They can't let me off the hook for it. I gotta get found guilty of that. So why the When I not take a plea and get out of jail today or some. I know nine times ten I'm getting. I'm get found guilty for anyway at the end of the trial. I would have got found gets for the shit in my house. I would have beat everything else. I would have got found guilty for the shit in my house. And she didn't send Shannon to prison, so she probably wouldn't have sent me to prison. She probably would have said the same thing. Like, all right, I'm gonna give you probation for this shit in your house and go on live your life cool. I still would the same shit I'm on probation for now. I still would have been on probation for at the end of the trial. Cause it was no loops for the jurors to find me innocent. To find me innocent for that. 100%. You can find guilt for that. They can't find you. They can't say you ain't guilty of it. But it's like them not being real. It's like the jury's just not being real. Like, well, it ain't nowhere around this. This ass. It's guilty of this. It ain't nothing around it. No. No law that. That makes me overstep that he guilty.

[Big Bank]

So what's your temperature with Lucha right now?

[Young Thug]

Ain't no temperature with him, man. Bro, I pray that get everything he deserved everything. I told that even in the midst of our beef, I told that nigga, bruh. I said some bullshit in it, too. But I was speaking really from the heart, real, bruh. I respect everything you do for your mom and your kids. I respect all that shit. If not, I would have been did something to your ass. That's what I tweeted. I said, if I ain't respect. If I ain't respect what you did for your mom and your kids and how you look out for your family, I would have been dead something to your ass. I'm just a real nigga. I respect how nigga treat their family like. But I respect it. He was an active dad in his fam. In his children's life. Still right now, since he been out. I still be watching him now since he. Since he got out. He's still an active father. I respect that, man. I don't want no harm. I don't want to do nothing to you, bro. You're a real man to me. Why the fuck would I want to kill a nigga that I think is like me? You're a real man to me, bro. But leave me alone, too, though. Like, stop. Don't fuck with me neither. If. If we. If it had to go a certain way, then we got to go a certain way. So. But that was my way of trying to just tell like, hey, Brian on it. I ain't on that, bro. I'm living life. I'm doing, bro. I'm doing in this world for real, bro, bro. And the. He tweeted me a million times. He ain't nothing like Tupac, You're a rat. I mean, you're. You're a goddamn punk. You gay. You drop. You wore a dress. You did this, you did that. He replied. He tweeted me probably 20 times in a row every day. Just. Just jugging agony every day. I tweeted him one time after he tweeted me 20 times. I said, if I ain't respect what you did for your mom and your children and how you looked out for your family, I would have been this onto your ass. If you read that tweet from me, what you would say, what you'll tell Lucha, man, leave that alone, bro. Right?

[Big Bank]

Yeah. I say he trolling.

[Young Thug]

Hell, no. That ain't trolling.

[Big Bank]

I say you don't want. He don't. He don't. He trolled him, but he don't want to do none of you. I say that right. He told me he don't want to do nothing to you.

[Young Thug]

I ain't.

[Big Bank]

I really want me with that tweet. Yeah.

[Young Thug]

Cause me or him don't got nothing to do with it. In real life, me and him don't got nothing to do with none of the beefs on both sides. Me and him don't got nothing to do with it. He just loved Nuts so much. He just asserted himself in the.

[Big Bank]

But I thought they were saying about a girl, though.

[Young Thug]

Hell no. Oh, that was trolling. When he said he my girl and all this other. She was trolling. We were trolling.

[Big Bank]

I'm saying that's what thinking like, yeah.

[Young Thug]

No, sir, this is behind nut Woody broken nut car and stole his jury. And I'm saying all this. Cause it's our public record. We already said all this, understand? Him and the DA done said this, understand. He broke a nut car and stole nut jury. He didn't know it was nut car. He seen a peanut chain, he said, oh, this nut. This nut chain. He called nut and say, hey, bro, he ain't put it on himself. He just said, man, some young nigga broken your car. They brought the jury to me. And nothing like I bring the jury. I ain't tripping nothing, player. I ain't tripping nothing. Bring the jury to me. He brain the jury to nut your jury nut back. I mean, getting his jury back and got down, going on by the business. Nut, I ain't tripping. Nut like I got all my back. I ain't tripping. But you got who would nut who like, man. And he fought niggas that played let's Take It Down. So the whole time, man, on the Phone every day, trying to stop the from beefing. Like, man, bro, we ain't on it, bro. We don't. Bro not getting money. I'm getting money. Like we were hanging out. I turned on to Bird. I brought around Bird. Cause I know Nut best friend. The. Who they call Birdman from. From Pink City. I know him from being Nut friend. I don't know. I ain't never seen him, though I seen him. I probably seen him two times in my life. But I know him. And Nut used to call himself Bird and Slim. So when I got on and I met Bird, get what I told Bird in Miami, man, you got to meet the. From the hood, from the city. They call themselves Bird and Slim. You got to meet the like, bro, I'm 100, the most genuine you could think of. I'm telling you, it's a real fact. I wish nothing living so he can say the same thing. I turn him on a Bird. The pictures. When you see Nut on a boat with Bird, I'm here, I'm there. I took the picture. I got nothing. Phone and took this picture, man. Take the picture with the. But I know y' all look up at the. I told Bird, man, Nut is supposed to be Slim, so you gotta wait. The other Bird who used to be with Nut, he was in prison still. He was in jail doing some time, doing a bed. So I told Birdman, like, man, you gotta meet the Birdman from Atlanta who call himself Birdman. He'll ball in the tattoos in here. He really think he Bird. I'm like, he in prison right now, but you gotta meet him too. Like, I turned Bird on the neck. I had bloody J around. Birdman trying to do deals. I turned bloody J on the Rocco. I've been lit in this town. I made lock in, man. Bloody J. Them started off beefing about them. Saying that Boo was a rat bootle. Boo told on Mo. We ain't never seen that paperwork. Still today. They typed us. You right. They typed up some paperwork one time. And it was fake paperwork. The only reason why we knew the fake the paperwork fake. Cause they misspelled words. Ain't no D A office misspelling no word, dumbass. They misspelled prosecution and all type of shit.

[Big Bank]

You saying they made some fake paper.

[Young Thug]

But you had some fake paperwork saying that Boo told on. On, on. Mo told me this. I seen Boo get on the phone with Mo myself. I seen Boo on the phone with him myself. Witnessed it right there. Boo said, man, e folks about you said I told on you Mo Yo, Mo said, man, I ain't told no that. I ain't told nobody that I with you, Boo. Man, every time I see you, we there like, hey. And I ain't told nobody that. I ain't say nothing about it. But, Mo, you told me your damn self that that Boo told on you. Man, these act. All this cap I made, even get on the phone.

[Big Bank]

Some paperwork, though. That count different. See some papers.

[Young Thug]

What when you see paperwork. Believe that you when you see paperwork. This paperwork.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, yeah. This paper don't give well how they spelled it.

[Young Thug]

I'm just saying. Hell no.

[Big Bank]

When a see it.

[Young Thug]

No, cuz you got to everybody make human mistakes, though. No. We got to know theatrical. Hell no. Well, when. When a prosecutor typing up, you can get a new trial for that. If they misspell some words in this paperwork, you can get a new trial. The you mean. No, folks ain't making no mistake like that. I promise you that. Look at our paperwork. I bet you whatever you think you want to be, ain't no misspelled word in that. These the real low. Any mistakes, you can get a new trial, anything. Folks are making no mistakes. You crazy. Especially on no certain word. They are prosecutors. Big bank is. Is big facts. How the I' ma go for some paperwork and big bank spell fat big facts wrong. Big fat what? How the hell the prosecutor gonna spell prosecution wrong? What are you talking about? Beat it. What are you talking about? And they had more than one misspelled word. They had like 4, 5 misspelled word on the first piece on the first sheet. The State of Georgia versus this. That was wrong. That spelling was wrong. Like, man, y' all done made 15 goddamn misspelled word on the first piece of paper. Beat it, man. This ain't real. That ain't real. But even if it is, God bless the dead Boo. Dad, so what? Even if it is. Even when I figured out. Cause Mo told me himself that Boo told. So even when I seen Mo. When I heard Mo on the phone with Boo and Mo denied saying that. Taboo. I ain't even tell Boo. Mo told me that. I ain't tell Boo, man. He kept. He told me you did. I ain't say none of that. Comment is not no messing. I ain't doing it. When he. When I heard Motel Boo to my face on the phone from jail, Boo said, what's up, my boy? What's going on? He like, what's up, my boy? What's up? He's like, man, I'm trying to see what the hell going on in these street, bro, you know I with your game, bro. You need somebody got down. You saying I told on you, bro, that said, man, hell no. Well, you know I fought with your game. Every time we see each other, we got them Greek like players. But you know I ain't saying no like that, man, don't let any goddamn. I heard him say this. I had my own mouth. And I ain't trying to stir no up within a crew, man. All the man. I respect all gangsters. All real, all they do what they supposed to do. I see motecarie family from jail. I respect the boy. I don't even know the phone a few times. Even throughout the beef, I've been on the phone with him. Hey, bro, man got into that. Keep that away from me. I'm trying to do what I need to do with this rap. But I made it out of Cleveland Avenue. I got six kids and I'm doing, I'm doing. That's why I was with like bloody J, like ola player. I was with them. I was with Big Nut. I had. I got five, six videos with Birdman with Nut in them. With greeting like I shot ain't no Holding My blood with Dej Loaf in their hood. I saw that in Pink City in their projects where they hang it right now. I shot that video there. The video, me, Birdman and goddamn Ralph. Look at the video. We played it in court when nut daddy got on the stand. Cause the DA done tricked him to lie about some shit. When nut daddy got on the stand and saying, yo, my son and Nut and Thor been got down. Fell out back in November of 2014. Cause he got killed 2015, January 10, 2015. His daddy get on the stand listening to what the DA telling him to say. Cause they get to prep him before he get on the stand. He get on the stand and say without even knowing the truth. And I get it. You're a dad that lost his son.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, yeah, I get it.

[Young Thug]

I ain't. I'm never. That's why I ain't never said, fuck that nigga Daddy. I said him none of that. I don't say none of that. I get it.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Young Thug]

I need gonna do whatever to get some justice for their son, my son.

[Big Bank]

Their family got a right to feel however they feel.

[Young Thug]

I'm never going against that family now.

[Big Bank]

For sure.

[Young Thug]

Never.

[Big Bank]

Right.

[Young Thug]

I understood that.

[Big Bank]

That's real. Yeah.

[Young Thug]

When Nut died, my house got bust. The D, they, they, they. They typed up a fake search warrant and bust my house. They got My phones, they. They so they so up. The DA did you did some. The judicial system so up. They see me and nut text message in my phone the day he died. The day before he died. Where you at, nutty man? Right here. Right here. The puffin. Go get me a haircut. Goddamn. I see I. I pull up on you later on. I say left. Look, the day Woody got jumped on in the club, I tested, man, what the hell going on, bro? I thought we said we squatted, bro. I thought you, me and you got on the phone like brothers. Like men. He said, bro, we ain't a part of none of that. We telling them, stop that shit. We still let that shit go. But y' all tripping and shame about them. Like, y' all. Nigga really ain't smoke about nothing. Nigga, I got text message talking to that moments before he died. Same day. They know it. They didn't. They just didn't say. Like, obviously, that's the state. They trying to. They trying to do their case. They doing what they supposed to do. Like, I ain't even mad at them. Like, you, you. You my opposition at this point. You trying to do what you do to sin is me. I'm trying to do what I'm doing to not get sentenced. I ain't tripping. But, bro, we got text messages of me and nut testing. I don't know goddamn well. Me and the man were cool. Y' all know that.

[Big Bank]

What you wanna. What you got? I ain't care my flights, man. We do this all night. What you want to say to the city before we get out of here?

[Young Thug]

Listen, man, I tried my best. I tried my best to make this city one unity. I try my best anybody from this city, including Rallo P. All y'. All. I don't got no smoke with y'. All. I don't want no gangster to go on with y'. All. I ain't got time like we are. The street is already over with. Once you do a certain. Once you tell the street over it. Like, don't. You can't kick the street. And I ain't saying that to Bash. No. Like, why would I want some smoke with a that already been told on somebody that work that you don't work with the police. I'm just saying, just real.

[Big Bank]

But still, bro, like, listen, I don't.

[Young Thug]

Want no smoke with y'. All. Even now, even if y' all didn't tell. I'm just bigger and better than what we doing. I'm bigger and better than this. I don't want no smoke with no. I don't got no problem with y', all, man. Peace, love and blessings. I hope everybody live their life and live and rejoice. I hope everybody in this world prosper and get what they need to get everybody. I don't got no. No hard feeling with no. Even on this case. Even the. That I'm mad at. I'm forever mad at. I still don't want you to fail. Obviously, I've been in my feelings. And I'd have been on jail calls and saying, like, man, I'm gonna drop the same day. I want to do the same that I want. I just want mad. I'm out of jail. I beat this nigga. I understand the chance God gave me. I understand the chance that the judge gave me. I understand all that. And now I'm sorry to my fans and everybody that I love that I even took that for granted. But I hope now that you understand why I couldn't just go forward. Why I took it for granted. If you think I took it for granted. I want you to understand through this conversation why I feel, how I feel.

[Big Bank]

I'm gonna tell you, though, Shalon, after this. Cause you realize that you fucked up, traumatized all this shit. All this shit that everybody that don't know that we walking around with everybody's undiagnosed of mental illness. For real. If you from the streets, you up. I don't give a who you is. Cause ain't never heartbreaking betrayals in this. So you saying basically, you finna move not. I know it's gonna be hard to move forward from some of that. You finna try your best to heal and move forward from all the negative.

[Young Thug]

Absolutely.

[Big Bank]

Absolutely. Cause we gotta hold you accountable like slime. You just said this, man. You. You some bro. If a don't. Cause it ain't just for the people, for everybody else. It's for YouTube or your family too, whoever. Like getting second chances. You don't got like nine chances. We all got like nine chance. I've been out, in and out of, in and out of. Could have been in, could have this, could have that. And God working on our city, man. We need. We need to put the energy back in this to ain't gotta be friends, ain't gotta be. But like you just said, I don't want to see no harm to nobody. I ain't against no. Ain't in your way. Don't get in my way. That's how I look at. Cause we looking crazy right now.

[Young Thug]

Absolutely. But I Don't want to make it like, on the forefront of us looking crazy.

[Big Bank]

It's everybody.

[Young Thug]

I'm just letting you. I'm just letting. I'm letting the people. I'm letting the people that's not from Atlanta know, okay, the people that's the fans of everybody. Wallow fans, P. Fans. Wham fans. Pluto fans, my fans, Gunner fans yet fans, Duke fans, everybody. I'm letting everybody that's not a part of Atlanta that don't know the inside scoop, that don't know what's going on.

[Big Bank]

I'm gonna be the head. We just all ingredients. None of us shouldn't be no more ingredients. Everybody who. Only anybody who want to come on the talk, come on. But no ingredient. Don't be an ingredient, bro. To the. To the. To. To the devil Gumbo.

[Young Thug]

I wanted everybody in this world to prosper. This is my honest God opinion. I want everybody in this world to prosper. No matter what you did, no matter what you did wrong. Because everybody did wrong. Everybody then did bad. You know, everybody did something bad. Everybody did something that wasn't godly. When you're a street and you're against them, I don't give a damn if it come down to you selling drugs, that's bad. You sold somebody drugs, they could die from that. Everybody did bad. So I'm not really tripping. I'm just telling you just a few of my opines, like how I feel about certain and why. I feel like your best question to me was why the hell you ain't do what you need to do when you got a cause I understood the blessing that I got. I understood the judge talking to me and looking me face to face saying, nigga, you the one bruh, she gonna blame.

[Big Bank]

Yeah, you go back in, though.

[Young Thug]

I'm already knowing. But I ain't gonna give no reason to. Yeah, can't you know what I'm saying? I'm going forward with my life, bro. Like, I ain't tripping, bro. I just feel like at this point, I just. I ain't never spoke on it. Cause I was just a man. Like, I'm just on some like, man, we going that I'm a man. Y' all need some rat. Y' all need to do what wrong. I was just living. Living in that dream. But now just having a conversation with you and talking and just like feeling it, like, it just feel like I gotta just go on. I gotta move on, but I just want it gonna. You gonna do yet. You all my fans, Rallo P. Wham. Pluto. Everybody wheezing. I want cash. Everybody who I love, who I honor. I want all them to know this is my side. This how I feel. This why I'm high. I am. This why I streamed so much on them. That's why I'm. I feel betrayed, I feel hurt. I feel. Whatever you call it, I just feel it.

[Big Bank]

Nah, this would be it, bro. I appreciate you for even calling me. Let me be a part of. You know what I'm saying? Witness a part of your pain and your journey and the way you. Your perspective and you know what I'm saying? I just hope you got them. Allow us to be a part of goddamn your healing journey, bro. For real. Cause the up Just gotta get this right, King.

[Young Thug]

I'm trying. My bad, bro. You think, you know, I should let people be just witness the healing, all that too. But you think that's good. Like. Like, obviously I just spoke my pain and what I've. What I feel about my whole situation in my life to the world, which is. It just took me a lot to do, but I did it. You think I should let people in on my healing process, too?

[Big Bank]

Yeah. Yeah. Ain't no other way. Like, because. Because, bro, one thing about it, bro, I don't know you locked up, bro, but my partner passed away, bro. Like, it wouldn't work without other people got down helping me and talking to me and pushing me through that want to work, bro. Like, that's the worst I ever felt in my life. I was already on a transition side. Like, just. Anyway, just when y' all need to caught the case, I'm like, oh, they snatching ass up. That kind of did something to me. Like, I ain't trying to go sit in that a bunch of lying on me. So I just straight told God, if I ain't, if I ain't, if I ain't. If they ain't got me for nothing that I already did. I ain't doing nothing else. And that's what I've been on ever since. You know what I'm saying? And I don't take personal like I used to. Just like this. Take everything first. I'm taking that person. That's the first thing, bro. Get that book, bro. Full agreement, dog. And just listen to it on your phone whenever you. Whenever you ride to the studio. Full agreement gonna show you. But you can't take personally. Have you ever heard.

[Young Thug]

Read the fifth agreement.

[Big Bank]

Nah, read the fifth one. You ready for already, too. Yeah, okay. But see, you got that the truth, bro.

[Young Thug]

Well, definitely.

[Big Bank]

Nah, but you got you gotta allow people to goddamn be a part, bro. Because you see the growth and be a part of it because you allow us to see all the other.

[Young Thug]

That's fact.

[Big Bank]

Appreciate you bro. Hey y' all go tap into the Big Fat Network, man. Follow us on Big Fat Network. Appreciate y' all pulling up. Shout out Jay. Shout out stream.

[Young Thug]

Jaden String was him.

[Big Bank]

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Short on time, but big on true crime. On a recent episode of the podcast Hunting for Answers, I highlighted the story of 19 year old Lachey Dungey. But she never knocked on that door. She never made it inside. And that text message would be the the last time anyone would ever hear from her. Listen to Hunting for Answers from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mandy Money]

Do we really need another podcast with a condescending finance bro trying to tell us how to spend our own money? No thank you. Instead, check out Brown Ambition. Each week I your host Mandy Money gives you real talk, real advice with a heavy dose of I feel useless. Like on Fridays when I take your questions for the baqa. Whether you're trying to invest for your future, navigate a toxic workplace, I got you. Listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Young Thug]

Every case that is a cold case that has DNA right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

On the new podcast America's Crime Lab. Every case has a story to tell and the DNA holds the truth.

[Young Thug]

He never thought he was going to get caught and I just looked at.

[Ashley Schick]

My computer screen, I was just like, ah, gotcha.

[Young Thug]

This technology's already solving so many cases.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

Listen to America's Crime Lab on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Young Thug]

I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you when you think about emotion regul regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Complex problem solving takes effort. Listen to the Psychology podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.