Reality TV or Real Trauma? Porsha Williams x K. Michelle — Breaking Down the Drama

Summary

The Breakfast Club — Reality TV or Real Trauma?

Episode: Reality TV or Real Trauma? Porsha Williams x K. Michelle — Breaking Down the Drama
Date: May 19, 2026
Host: Lauren LaRosa (with The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the messy drama unfolding between Porsha Williams and K. Michelle on Season 17 of The Real Housewives of Atlanta (RHOA). Host Lauren LaRosa unpacks the tension, examining whether the clash is “reality TV” or “real trauma,” and explores the lingering effects of rumors, reality TV personas, and the quest for storylines. The discussion is animated with audio clips, expert commentary, and behind-the-scenes perspective, giving listeners insight into both sides and the authenticity (or calculation) at play.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Rise of Drama in RHOA’s Current Season

• Lauren begins by affirming Atlanta’s leading role in the Housewives franchise and Porsha's significance as a “face” of the show.
• She highlights Porsha’s evolution from reality TV star to accomplished entrepreneur, but sets the stage for critique:

  “She's very smart. She is the show. She deserves to be the show... but let's get into it.” (05:31)

K. Michelle’s Return to Reality TV & Past Trauma

• K. Michelle joins RHOA after a tumultuous stint on Love & Hip Hop, bringing baggage from previous viral rumors (including allegations about personal hygiene).
• Early in the season, K. Michelle leans on Porsha for support amidst the new group.

Breaking Down the Oyster Table Incident (S17E07)

• On a Texas cast trip, Porsha makes a joke during dinner referencing “checking” oysters, which K. Michelle perceives as a slight against her, given her history with a widely circulated odor rumor:

  Portia: “That vagina is clean. This one might be a little tense.” (07:41)

• Lauren underscores both the sensitivity of this rumor for K. Michelle and how reality TV often escalates such moments beyond repair:

  “As a woman, that's just not something you want on your name...” (08:14)

K. Michelle’s Emotional Breakdown

• The aftermath: K. Michelle breaks down, expressing feeling unsafe and targeted, while Portia and the group try to comfort her.
  • K. Michelle:

    “Talk about a rumor that a disgruntled ex said eight years ago... The trauma that was caused by the rumor. It really hasn't gotten better... I haven't [healed] and I don't know when I will.” (13:03–14:10)

• The lack of direct communication between K. Michelle and Portia at the table is noted as a catalyst for continued tension.

Social Media Fallout & The Authenticity Debate

• On Twitter, accusations fly:
  • K. Michelle calls Portia a coward.
  • Portia claps back, implying K. Michelle is manufacturing drama for screen time.
• Lauren references an interview with Carlos King in which Portia suggests K. Michelle is choosing to make this a storyline:
  • Portia:

    “I think that's another situation where someone has decided that this is the route they need to take... This is the game she decides to play.” (17:45)
    “If you are in any group... and they don’t have a heart to understand you... It could be for whatever reason, ratings, or want to be right, or just want to see what’s wrong, they are never going to understand.” (18:10)

Portia’s Side: Intent, Apology, and Doubt

• Portia claims she reached out with a sincere apology after rewatching the moment — only for K. Michelle to escalate further online:
  • Portia:

    “We were done. Oh, my God. The next day she's tweeting, doubling down. I was like, okay, I see what I’m dealing with...” (19:34)

• Lauren analyzes how production and editing may fuel misunderstandings and alludes to reality TV's manufactured nature.

Questioning the Need for Storylines

• Both Portia and Lauren repeatedly suggest new cast members “reach” for storylines to justify their presence:
  • Portia (on the Sherri Shepherd Show):

    “A lot of people who haven’t done reality TV before come on being thirsty, you know, but these girls are being spicy...they are already established.” (30:54)

  • Lauren’s analysis:

    “She is doubling down on the girls needing storylines to be in the game.” (32:56)

The Ongoing Ambiguity: Shade, Editing, and Production

• Lauren considers whether Portia was being shady to K. Michelle or someone else (like Kelly Farrell), noting indirect insults are typical for the show and sometimes driven by producers.

  “Producers know exactly what they be doing... Is this a production thing?” (29:07)

Listeners Called to Weigh In

• Lauren ends by inviting listeners to share if they think “all is fair in reality TV” or whether a deeper loyalty is expected, especially given K. Michelle’s vulnerability and Porsha’s status as her entry point into the cast:

  “Do you feel like Portia owes K. Michelle a sense of loyalty... because she's her friend that kind of held her hand bringing her into this franchise?” (34:19)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Reality TV Shade:

  “That vagina is clean. This one might be a little tense.” (Portia Williams, 07:41)

• On Trauma & Healing:

  “Talk about a rumor that a disgruntled ex said 8 years ago. ... The trauma that was caused by the rumor. It really hasn’t gotten better...and I don’t know when I will [heal].” (K. Michelle, 13:32–14:10)

• On Reality TV Manipulation:

  “If you are talking to somebody and they don’t have a heart to understand you...it could be for whatever reason, ratings or ...just want to see what's wrong, they're never going to understand.” (Portia Williams, 18:10)

• On ‘Thirst’ for Storylines:

  “A lot of people who haven’t done reality TV before come on being thirsty...but these girls are being spicy.” (Portia Williams, 30:54)

• On Portia’s Response to Allegations:

  “She tried to come in hot and I just cooled her down. Ain’t nothing wrong with that.” (Portia Williams, 32:48)

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Episode Timeline & Timestamps

• [02:57] – Lauren LaRosa introduces the RHOA drama and the context of Porsha vs. K. Michelle.
• [07:33] – Oyster dinner clip: Porsha’s comment sparks new controversy.
• [12:30] – K. Michelle breaks down; emotional confrontation with the group.
• [16:52] – Portia comments on the miscarriage rumor and K. Michelle’s motives (Carlos King interview).
• [18:22] – Deeper insights on communication, intent, and storyline pressures.
• [26:58] – Lauren points out previous shade and ambiguous editing.
• [30:41] – Portia on Sherri Shepherd; perspective on new cast “spiciness.”
• [32:56] – Lauren and Portia dissect ‘storyline’ versus authenticity.

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Tone & Style

Lauren is frank, colloquial, and humorous, adopting the insider’s lingo of reality TV fans ("lowriders," "throwing shade," “be a real bitch about it”). She gives equal airtime to both Portia and K. Michelle’s perspectives, pushes for empathy on trauma, but underscores the inherently manipulated nature of reality TV. The episode blends pop culture wit with genuine concern, inviting listeners to be both fans and critical thinkers.

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TL;DR

• Main theme: Is RHOA’s most talked-about feud (Portia vs. K. Michelle) manufactured for TV or rooted in long-standing personal trauma?
• Key Points: The oyster table confrontation, the lasting impact of online rumors, breakdown in direct communication, accusations of storyline fabrication, and the blurry line between entertainment and lived reality.
• Listener Takeaway: There’s no simple villain or victim—reality TV blurs loyalty, authenticity, and self-promotion. Lauren leaves it to the audience to decide: Is this just TV, or does it cross into real-life hurt?

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Do you think all is fair in love, war, and reality TV? Or do friends owe each other something more, even under the Bravo lights? Lauren wants your take—join the conversation!

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[Portia Williams]

What are you checking for?

[Lauren LaRosa]

What is you doing?

[Portia Williams]

What are you checking for?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay, Porsha, I don't let you checking it. Your face ain't right.

[Portia Williams]

That vagina is clean. This one might be a little tense.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That vagina is clean. This is odd to me. What are you checking for? Does she always smell oysters? I don't know. Now, before we get into what the conversation is, I do want to give you guys some background info and some background facts because if you guys are not familiar, and this is a part that we talked about on Breakfast Club as well too. K. Michelle, some years ago, there was a big thing. It was a super viral moment, several different moments that were super viral where there were allegations by an ex, someone that she was dating that there was a body odor, that her vagina had an odor. And she was very clear and very not backing down at all about coming out and making sure that she cleared up the rumor wherever it spread to. Because I mean, as a woman, that's just not something you want on your name, a conversation you even want to play with at all. So it was a thing, it happened some years ago, but it was a big thing for her. It was a big conversation and she was very vocal about, you know, at that time and, and even in years following how that situation and, and people having a conversation affected her, like how it hurt her, hurt her feelings, I'm sure, and traumatized her to a bit. As we are seeing play out here on Real Housewives of Atlanta. Now the girls are all on this cash trip. They're in Texas. They're supporting Cynthia Bailey because Cynthia Bailey is doing like a new tequila ven, having this big gala over there in Texas. And during the trip, it's weird because K. Michelle starts off on the strip and she's having a really good time. And a lot of the conversation this, you know, in the beginning of the episode production be doing their thing. They know exactly what they be doing is about the fact that K. Michelle is comfortable and you know, she feels like she's found, you know, even through all of the mess, the goodness in a lot of the ladies. And these are the women that like she watched for some time. And this is where she was looking for in joining a franchise. But boy, does that quickly change once that oyster conversation that we just listened to happens.

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[Lauren LaRosa]

After the oyster conversation happens, K Michelle then has a discussion about not feeling safe at the table and she's breaking down or just within a group and she's breaking down. Now, as she's breaking down, you have all of the women surrounding her. Portia Williams, Cynthia Bailey, you know, all the girls are there trying to figure out what's wrong and Trying to make her feel better. Let's take a listen to that.

[K. Michelle]

Something that they thought that they was going to address with me at dinner.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Who though, Drew?

[K. Michelle]

Portia and Phaedra.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Not Portia.

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[K. Michelle]

Where church fan he be playing with me. That was the first time. Then when I get to curse, being

[Lauren LaRosa]

okay would be crazy.

[K. Michelle]

I am heartbroken. I watch these women who have dealt with things from gossip try to to judge me.

[Portia Williams]

That vagina is clean. I don't know. This one might be a little scent.

[K. Michelle]

Talk about a rumor that a disgruntled ex said:8 years ago. I already know who you contacted, what blogs you called to go read that and want to spread that. I think that is very disheartening and that shows the character of these women. The trauma that was caused by the rumor. It really hasn't gotten better. I can say I'm healed. I'm healed like a lot of people, but I haven't and I don't know when I will. I'm not going to let y' all keep playing in my face. Like I don't hear, like I don't

[Lauren LaRosa]

see leave me be.

[K. Michelle]

Because it keeps building up. And when it get to where it need to get to, I'mma curse all them the out.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Now, you'll notice in this clip, she never directly says to Portia, you said this. Why would you say that? This made me feel this way. You're who I'm talking about. She directs some things at Drew, but she never directly says that to Portia. She then goes and has another conversation very separate. Portia's not there with Shamia and a couple of the other ladies about the fact that, you know, she was talking about Portia, right? So her and Shamia kind of had this like, bonding moment over that. Because as we know, Shamia has went through her own issues with Portia Williams, which has resulted in their relationship being like, non existent to an extent. But I went back today and I was watching some of the interviews that Portia Williams has done in the last, like, couple weeks. One of them being an interview that she did with Carlos King. Because in the midst of all of this, the fire that they started, right? You got K. Michelle on Twitter, Portia Williams on Twitter. K. Michelle's calling Portia Williams a coward and, and saying like, you know, you. You basically, you know what you did. Portia Williams is right at K. Michelle on Twitter, calling her Twitter fingers, you know, saying, like, look, if I'm a coward, you a coward, too. Because if something was going on and it had something to do with me, you should have addressed it right then and there. That's what we do on Real Housewives of Atlanta. So. And then K. Michelle alleges that Portia slept with one of her exes. Like, it's a whole thing. So that's going down. And in the midst of that, Carlos King tweets out a video clip of Portia. And I had seen this interview prior to, but I didn't watch it in full. I hadn't even gotten to this part that he tweeted out. And I'm like, you know, Carlos King is the reality show King. Shout out to Carlos King. He's also here on the Black Effect podcast network. He don't do nothing by chance. So I'm like, let me go and rewatch his interview real quick to see if she directly addresses this, which, again, this was two weeks before this episode even premiered. So there's no way she would have directly stated what was about to happen early. Because these girls sign contracts. You can't tell the storyline. You just have to let it play out. And then at the reunion and following that, we get on into the things. Right? But I go watch the interview, and there's a part of the interview where Portia addresses the whole miscarriage conversation, or lack thereof, with Kay Michelle and what she meant by that. Let's take a listen.

[Carlos King]

The miscarriage comment. Yeah, I'm sure you saw the comments. It seemed to be pretty split whether or not you intentionally meant it to harm her or it was just something that, you know, you said off the top of your dome. You are somebody who is an ambassador for the March of Dimes. You are somebody. Again, going back to season six where you talked about having a miscarriage, Right. And you cried about the fact that you were there for a week and Cordell didn't only show them one time.

[Portia Williams]

Right.

[Carlos King]

Like, this is something that you have, you know, dealt with.

[Portia Williams]

Right.

[Carlos King]

What would you like to say? Because K. Michelle did do tweets, even after the episode aired where we saw the episode end and it seemed like y' all hugged it all. Everything is good.

[Portia Williams]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

But then the tweets started to happen afterwards where she sort of is doubling down on. She doesn't trust you. What do you have to say about that?

[Portia Williams]

I think that's another situation where someone has decided that this is the route they need to take. I don't think this is the route that K. Michelle needs to take or has to take. I think it's the wrong road. But at the end of the day, if you have been watching the show and then you are finally on the show, you decide this is how you're gonna enter. This is how I'll make my mark. Then it is what it is. This is the game she decides to play.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But then they get into a conversation about storylines and girls coming into the franchise and needing the storyline. Let's take a listen to that.

[Portia Williams]

When I watched K. Michelle, her punishment was too hard for what she called the crime. I said, okay. I picked up my phone and I text her. Cause that's how I am. Ask Candy, ask anybody. Ask Charay if you do. You know, I'm a text right away as I'm watching the show. And I said, hey, I just want you to know I'm watching a show and I see that you still didn't feel or you were still upset with, you know, me speaking to you about the situation. I said, I want you to know I am sincere and that I never would have wanted to offend you about that. When I spoke with Shamia, she never told me any detail. You never told me anything of a detail of your bottom. You know, I never would have done that. And I just want you to know from my heart, even though I saw her call me all them names, I was like, fuck all that. Let me make her as a woman understand that at the root of it, I never would have made fun of you. She said, okay, I truly appreciate that, et cetera. And you know, I appreciate you reiterating that you didn't know or blah, blah. So I said, okay, cool, put the phone down. We were done. Oh, my God. The next day she's tweeting saying, oh, well, you know what? If you was to die, what did you. Doubling down. I was like, okay, I see what I'm dealing with. I see what I'm dealing with. And listen, I don't want to go too hard on K. Michelle. I just say this in general as a person. In any space, you could be at work, it could be a family member, it could be a friend. If you are in any group and you are talking to somebody and they don't have a heart to understand you, they don't want to understand you. It could be for whatever reason, ratings or wannabe want to be right or just want to see what's wrong, they're never going to understand. They're never going to actually say out loud, oh, I understand. Because they're too busy trying to do something else, whatever that else may be. So I said, okay, cool. So at this point, you know, I know what else happens in the season, and although she's funny and she's adorable, I don't know how it's going to go over. I don't think that what was happening with her and Drew is going to go over as well as maybe she thinks it will. I don't. And I think, if I'm being honest, I think that when she looks back at this first season, she'll probably be like, oh, I probably chose the wrong team, and I probably should have gone about things in a more authentic way.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So as I'm watching this, I'm like, oh, so she could talk about the miscarriage thing. Because at the point of that interview, that had already happened. And so did another firestorm on Twitter that had went down from K. Michelle and Portia Williams. Right? And it seems like in the moment, while watching that in real time, because these girls are experiencing this in real time, like they're living it, but as we're watching it as it airs, they're also reliving it again. But I think, you know, from what it sounds like, Portia was caught off guard because as she was rewatching it in real time, she shot K. Michelle attacks and tried to, you know, clear up everything, apologize, move forward in good faith. Like, she's trying to be a real bitch about it. Like, excuse my French, but if I'm being honest, she's confronting what the mix up was. Because even in that episode, K. Michelle never said anything to Portia about feeling how she felt about the statement. But they cleared it up. You know, according to Portia, they moved on. K. Michelle has not commented on, you know, that background information that Portia Williams gave on that moment. But the second part, where she's talking about storylines and girls, you know, coming in and having to, you know, figure out the storyline and all these things, I'm like, oh, Portia was kind of giving us a little clue about what we were about to see moving forward in these episodes or what she's alleging, K. Michelle's pattern of behavior is going to be for what we're going to see coming up next. And now that we've seen what came up next, and you go back and listen to this, I'm like, okay, so Portia feels like K. Michelle thinks that this is what she has to do to create a storyline for herself on the show. Lean into things that are not really things. Now I'll admit, again, the miscarriage moment. I can understand why from everything, from all the information I have right now, I can understand why Portia would have been a little bit like, wait, what? I didn't even mean it that way. I can also understand the sensitivity on K. Michelle's side because it's something that is happening to her and she's been very vocal about, you know, the changes that she's had to physically make to her body to literally keep herself alive. These are very traumatic experiences. And Portia, you know, has had a miscarriage before and has talked about it. These things are very traumatic experiences. So I understand both sides. But it's easy to give Portia a benefit of a doubt in this situation because it was never addressed in when she did address it, they moved on. She explained. Boom. Now they're here, right?

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Help.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Somebody, please.

[George Odano]

But there's so much more to me than that. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian. And recently I've become quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful solutions.

[Psychology of Your 20s Host]

Psych.

[George Odano]

I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant and recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to man. If I'm calling you, even if you're on your phone, let it ring twice. One ring is too scary. Cream of chicken soup.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Egg cream.

[Psychology of Your 20s Host]

Cream of chicken soup.

[George Odano]

This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from a Hypocrite as part of the Mike Kultura Podcast Network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lauren LaRosa]

The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection.

[Debbie Brown]

This Mental Health Awareness Month Month Tune into the podcast Deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey of healing, self discovery and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well being, and the practices that help you find clarity, peace and self mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming lonelier, we're not

[Lauren LaRosa]

becoming more social and connected, we're becoming

[K. Michelle]

more individualized, but we actually need people in connection.

[Debbie Brown]

If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you. To hear more, listen to Deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Psychology of Your 20s Host]

May is Mental Health Awareness Month and your twenties they can feel like a lot on the psychology of your 20s podcast we unpack the anxiety, the overthinking, the heartbreak, the identity crisis, all of it that comes with being in your 20s. Because if you've ever thought, is anybody else feeling this way? They definitely are.

[Psychology of Your 20s Guest 1]

I feel like my 20s was a process of checking off everything that I was not good at to get to what I was good at. Oftentimes we take everything a little bit too seriously and we get lost in things that we later on decide weren't even important to us to begin with.

[Psychology of Your 20s Guest 2]

There was a large chunk of my twenties that I like was just so wanting to like be out of that phase, out of my skin. And I just like really regret not living in the present more each week

[Psychology of Your 20s Host]

we break down the science behind what you're going through and give you real tools to navigate it. Your 20s aren't about having it all figured out. They're about understanding yourself just a little bit better. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So it seems like this is happening again, but this time when this happens with the whole vagina situation. You know, I saw like the the episode prior where Kelly mentions that Portia Williams Punani or her hot pocket smells like Cheetos. It was real quick. You had to catch it and all the girls were screaming when she said it. But let's take a listen to that. This is the episode prior to episode seven. This is episode six at the very end. Let's take a listen.

[Portia Williams]

You should be able to read a better than that. Let me tell you about a you.

[George Odano]

Okay?

[Portia Williams]

You tried to scissor me Are you insane? I tried to scissor you. Okay, all right.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay.

[Portia Williams]

I don't want to sit you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And that right there is where episode seven picks up at. So we're thrown right into that. Right? So I can understand, number one, why people are covering it the way that they're covering it as blanket. Why would Portia say that? Because. And Portia's comments about the oysters, the vagina, whatever, is easy to, like, infer that she's talking to Kelly, but she doesn't say it directly to her. And they're directly having these back and forths on the show up until this point. Now, granted, the girls throw indirect shade all day long. You know, that they are not. Portia is not absent or absolved of doing that. But in my mind, as I'm watching it, literally, even after seeing the prior episode, the first thing I thought of was like, wait, is she being funny to K. Michelle? Because every. That conversation was like a. It was a. It was a thing. It was here. It was big. There were a lot of people talking about it. So I, you know, was just like, oh, I know the producers don't have her playing with K. Michelle like that. Like, no, no, no, no, no. And the reason why I say the producers is because in my mind, I'm like. And again, I'm reiterating what I said on Breakfast Club, but I'm able to explain a bit better here. It's two things for me. It's either on one side, Portia really wasn't even talking to Kate Michelle, and it was just something that she threw in conversation, whether she was being shady or she was just having a good time because, you know, Portia's dating girls. And there's a lot of things you can point to that have led up to that moment where Portia would be talking about oosters and vagina. Or you got your story. Producers behind the scenes on reality tv. And K. Michelle said in one of her tweets, I'm not trying to hear nothing y' all talking about, because the way that things are produced by these girls behind the scenes, I ain't buying it. Right? So K. Michelle believes that this is a produced up moment that is a part of this big plot. Portia has not come out and clarified any of who she was talking to or why. Again, a lot of times they cannot, because we have more episodes to go on the show. But Portia was on Sherri shepherd prior to. And I know that this was prior to her seeing the episode air on Bravo. So seeing how it was edited to air to fans because Sherri Shepherd's show is no longer recording live. So all of this was pre taped some weeks ago. Right. And so that means she would have lived it in real time, felt however she felt about it, and then went and spoke on this prior to watching how it was aired on Bravo. Let's take a listen to Porshawn. Sherri Shepherd.

[Portia Williams]

Yes, yes. And but you know, it get like that sometimes. You're not gonna like everybody on the cast. You know, Drew is absolutely amazing. Star K. Michelle has joined the show and shook it up like she shake them tables.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Portia Williams]

And you know, one thing about it, I think that a lot of people who haven't done reality TV before come on and they're being thirsty, you know, but these girls are being spicy.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Are new girls.

[Portia Williams]

They're not thirsty, they're spicy. Cause they're already established. They already. That girl, Pinky's that girl. She's a business entrepreneur, has done everything and made millions and millions. And then you have Michelle, who's established singer, country singer, groundbreaker. So I'm glad that we have some real heavy hitters now on the show.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, you got the heavy hitters and it's interesting cause they did. Let me know.

[Portia Williams]

We don't.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You know, they're spicy. But you know, it is very spicy because I know that the fellow housewife, Kelly Farrell. Oh yeah, she's been throwing accusations that you've been sleeping with married men. Now is that spicy or is that a major issue?

[Portia Williams]

I mean, she is just like dragging tea from like four years ago. Like, you know, one thing I can say again, going back to some of the new girls, going back to Angela Oakley who has joined the show. This show is about showing black women who are established who have a wonderful life, fulfilled life in themselves so they don't have to focus on other people. If they end up focusing on you, they gonna read you. Right. But not they not making me their storyline. Those women, you know, you pay attention to them. They got it going on. You know, they got businesses, they got husbands, they got things. And I just think it's very unfortunate when some of the girls come on the show and they have to kind of search and reach. And she's always reaching for other reasons. But you know, just.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Is that reaching?

[Portia Williams]

Just reaching. And she can't quite get it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You can't quite get the version.

[Portia Williams]

Quite interesting. Who even handed her the peach, you know? Cause it's like, I don't know. But listen, Kelly, sometimes she's cool, sometimes she's not. I think that if you can dish it out, you should be able to receive it back to you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Portia Williams]

And you should be able to move on. I think it is very clear. She tried to come in hot and I just cooled her down. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Again, she is doubling down on the girls needing storylines to be in the game. Still giving K Michelle her props, but talking about the storylines, and that's my thing. It's like we're trying to decipher here, like, what is a storyline for either one of the girls for Portia Williams or for K. Michelle and what is not. And I feel like this is my feeling. This is not fact. My feeling in this is as I'm watching all of this unfold and Portia is responding to K. Michelle's tweets. Why not just say, girl, that wasn't even meant for you? That makes everybody point to. Okay. She probably throwing that back at Kelly. Okay. You know Portia dating girls now, so we know where she at with it. You know what I mean? Like, why not just say that now? She could also just be leaving that out because, you know, she's drumming up. We got some more episodes to watch, but we just gotta. I guess we just gotta wait and see. But I wanna know how you guys feel like in this world of reality tv. Do you feel like all is fair in reality TV and war? Or do you feel like Portia owes K. Michelle a sense of loyalty to a certain extent and peace to a certain extent because she's her friend that kind of held her hand bringing her into this franchise? I wanna know how you guys feel. Get at me all over social. I'm Lauren LaRosa. L O R E N L O R O S A and I tell you guys, you know, every single episode, y' all could be anywhere. Talking about all these things with everybody, literally everybody is talking about this right now, but y' all are right here with me having a conversation about it. My lowriders. I appreciate you guys and I'll catch you in my next episode.

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[Robert Smigel]

another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy not quite on Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier this week. My guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an acapella band with their between songs. Banter.

[George Odano]

Where does your group perform?

[Robert Smigel]

We do some retirement home. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Psychology of Your 20s Host]

Your twenties can be so exciting, but they can also be really overwhelming, confusing and honestly, just kind of lonely. May is Mental Health Awareness Month and the psychology of your twenties is breaking down the science behind the biggest roadblocks we face.

[Psychology of Your 20s Guest 1]

I was six years into my career, the 80 hour weeks and just the first one in, the last one out and I ended up burning out.

[Psychology of Your 20s Guest 2]

There was a large chunk of my twenties that I like was just so wanting to like be out of that phase, out of my skin and I just like really regret not living in the present more.

[Psychology of Your 20s Host]

You don't need to have everything figured out right now. You just need to understand yourself a little bit better. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Why are we all so obsessed with

[Psychology of Your 20s Guest 1]

romance on the Radio 831 podcast? Join us Sanjana Bhasker Tyler McCall as we unpack all the trending tropes, buzzy adaptations, booktok drama and celebrity love stories with hot takes and sharp guests. Each episode digs into what these stories reveal about desire, fantasy, identity and how we love.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Now Listen to the Radio 831 podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.