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Matt Rogers
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Tameka D. Mallory
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
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Tameka D. Mallory
Let's get rid of that unpleasant feeling with one word.
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Bowen Yang
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Tameka D. Mallory
No matter what happens, you'll have a.
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Matt Rogers
Dinner plan that everyone loves with Stouffers.
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Bowen Yang
Some chicken enchiladas or a cheesy chicken.
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Matt Rogers
And broccoli pasta bake is always welcome whether it is Plan A or Plan Delicious. Not gonna lie, I eat the lasagna.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Once a week and that's a fact.
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Matt Rogers
When the clock strikes dinner, think Stouffer's.
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Bowen Yang
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Tameka D. Mallory
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Tameka D. Mallory
I'm Tameka D. Mallory, and it's your boy, my son. In general, we are your hosts of tmi.
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Matt Rogers
Tameka and my son's information, truth, motivation and inspiration.
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Tameka D. Mallory
New name, new energy, but same old us. What's going on? My son? Lennon.
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Matt Rogers
Good. Actively black. Muhammad Ali.
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Tameka D. Mallory
I love the actively.
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Matt Rogers
Yes, yes, yes.
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Tameka D. Mallory
That's our thing. And I can't even say anything because you put me on and you was telling me you need to be, and I was like, okay, got to get.
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Matt Rogers
You some actively black.
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Tameka D. Mallory
That's right. I love actively black. That's our people. So the State of the People Power Tour is in progress. And, you know, for people who don't know, the State of the People Power Tour is an effort that came out of the State of the people 24 hour marathon that ran at the same time that Donald Trump was intending to do his, which he did his State of the Union address. We said they gonna be lying and fear mongering and hate throwing. It's so funny because anyway, I'll say they said, that's what we said. That's what they're gonna be doing over here. We are going to be organizing, educating, informing our people and, you know, coming together in community. And I just really have to give a lot of credit to the entire State of the People family because it is certainly a labor of love. A lot of people are involved and working 24 hours a day under the. The guidance of our drill sergeant captain, which is Angela Rye, who has been keeping us going from day to day.
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Matt Rogers
Shout out to Angela.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Absolutely. We have to have her on to talk about, you know, what, what we have been able to accomplish and as a team. And she's really, really committed to keeping us on task, making sure it doesn't fall apart, that people don't like, oh, I'm busy, I got this going on. You know, how we do it always takes somebody to drive the mission. And she definitely is taking on that role. And I know how hard it is because, as you know, I often am in that role. And, you know, it gets to be really difficult. But the State of the People Power Tour is now a tour across the country that really is designed to examine our power. Right. Which we know we have. Right. People locally have been doing work for a long day, never been able to depend on systems. It doesn't matter who's in office, Democrats, Republicans, whoever it is, maybe in their local town, it might be an independent. They still have to have systems in place to ensure that the black community specifically and of course other vulnerable populations. But this is about black folks that they can survive sustainability. And we have never ever been able to rely on the government to do everything that's necessary on a hyper, hyper, hyper local level for our communities. Now you have some people who get in charge and they make things worse, and some people who marginally or incrementally make things better, or at least they don't do much harm to our communities. And that's kind of where we find ourselves. And I respect that. There are people who are just tired of participating in that cycle. So the state of the people power tour is not about who you voting for. It is, it isn't about that now for some people locally, it is for them because they have people that they got, you know, running for office and you know, people who they believe are better for their communities and that's fine. We, we not in any way in charge of that. This tour is not endorsing any particular candidates. This tour is not about that. It is really about building power and being in community with our people, traveling the country, meeting folks who have solutions. Because again, these people have been doing this work, they like, hey, you know, we know this is pretty terrible, everything that's happening in this country. But over here we have farmers market, so we know how to feed one another. We have jobs that we've created, community centers, anti violence programs, ways to govern our own communities. You know, we, we do all that over here. So we going around the country finding our people. Some of them we know, others we're meeting in this process, uplift their work. We have these big platforms, million here, million this one a million people that one a million people. All these different organizations have so many people. So building power is important again being a community. And then you have people, mice who are seriously afraid they may have been impacted or they're in a situation, maybe they're in a job because black folks are in jobs where they're. The diversity, equity and inclusion rollbacks are impacting them. So they've either lost their jobs and there's a lot of black folks that may not be talking about it, but they, they may not be talking about it publicly, but they certainly calling us behind the scenes saying they threatening us. They're changing everything to take out black, take out specific language that's for our communities. You know, these things are happening. You got people who work for the federal government that are being terminated. You got folks who are feeling it and they know. And a lot of times because of the lawsuits, they always telling you don't talk too much about it because it's not much you can say when they're fighting to get you reinstated, to get the federal workers back. So. But there are a lot of people who are afraid. There's some people, none of that's happened too. They just sitting back watching and they're saying, what in the hell is going on? I'm afraid, I'm scared. And we don't want our people to be out there feeling like the movement has somehow gone, you know, black or whatever. Dark. Dark is a better way to describe it. No, we're still active, we're still organizing, we're still meeting, we're still strategizing. And I think, I love this. Angela says that this tour is a love letter to black people. That we still here and we with you and you are with us, and we're in this together. And when I think about the people who have been major players, I mean, there's so many people. I do not even want to get in trouble by naming the folks. But I do suggest that people go to stateoftheppl.com that's state of the ppl.com where you can learn more about those folks who are engaged, people who are organizing. And, you know, many of you have. Have already noticed that there is a meme where you see more and more black people saying, I'm in, I'm in. I'm a participate somehow in this tour. And so it's 10 cities, which is the initial part of the tour. There's more to be done afterwards everywhere. We've already kicked off in Atlanta, also North Carolina, and moving forward to New Orleans, to Birmingham, Alabama, to California, Altadena specifically going to Detroit, Michigan, and, you know, doing some impactful work. And I know they have more places, but again, go do the research, check it out, find out where you can come. Newark, New Jersey, Louisville, Kentucky, which our organization Until Freedom is really engaged in those two cities. And a lot of people, people with all different skills and backgrounds. That's what I love. One thing about trauma, when your community or when we get hit with trauma, the one thing we will do is figure out how to come together. And what I love about the State of the People Power Tour is that you have people working together who are like bonafide grassroots, down to the ground activists. I'm talking about the ones that you see them and they. You will never see them in a room with other people. But then you also have folks who are in the, you know, the. The more considered to be. Let's Be clear, you know, talented tenth, whatever that means. I don't. I take that back. That's not even a thing. But people who may see themselves to be very elite and, and, and. And they're working the black bourgeoisie. Well, I don't know. They don't really like.
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Matt Rogers
Well, they don't like being called it, but I'm saying the grassroots would normally consider them or the black bourgeoisie. I mean, it's pretty much understanding that we need each other.
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Tameka D. Mallory
That's right.
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Matt Rogers
Right. We're at a time in history where all people black, all people in marginalized communities really realize.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Not all people realize, oh, well, I'm.
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Matt Rogers
Just saying the majority people realize the times we're in, you know, and if you, if you've experienced. See what's happening is this. Those who have experienced the luxuries of, you know, being able to benefit from the accommodations made in our constitution and being able to benefit of DEI and be able to go to school based off DEI and be able to get jobs based off those situations, not because they weren't smart enough, because they didn't have opportunities and opportunities were provided for them. And now they're able to create generational wealth or were able to create and seeing those things diminish and just disappear. And those who've never had that are now realizing that they're on the same exact wavelength, and now they have to come together, and we have to come together and create what the agenda for black America is and be united in that. And like you said, it's trauma, unfortunately, we always unite in trauma, you know, and that's why we say we look at situations. A lot of people say, you know, this Trump presidency, you know, even though it's way worse than the last one, it's what it's going to take to make us revolt in a manner that we need to. To come together and create what it is that is necessary for black people. And I think this is one of those steps in which we're going to different states and different towns and we're getting the agenda and find out, what do you believe that we need to be doing? All right. I think that's what's always been an issue. You know, we all have our individual and say, well, me and my people, we need this. And me, what do we all need collectively that we can have? So it doesn't matter who the candidate is.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Right, right.
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Matt Rogers
That we come to and say, hey, this right here is what we need. Black people all around this country said, this is what we need. You know, and when they realize that that's what it is, it's going to take to get our votes and to move us and then we could create our own candidates, right? Because now we have a prototype of what it is. So we actually growing our own candidates, we're growing our own elected fisheries because now we have a blueprint of exactly what we want. We're sending our kids to the schools, we educate them in a manner, we utilize all of our skill sets. Because now you have those that have been in the suites and those have been in the streets and they're getting a little bit of the people from the streets and they're going to teach you how to fight there. And then they telling you the sweets is telling you how you navigate strategies, strategizing. And that's what it's going to take. It's going to take a very nuanced, complex, multi, you know, intersectional movement for us. Because that's what they've done. They've created, they've created someone who has the, the, the will of. They're poor people, right? To the will. He appeals to the fact that they feel like they've been disenfranchised, right? Then he appeals to the white supremacists who want, who have money and money.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Want to be white.
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Matt Rogers
Well, want to be white supremacists who just want to focus on money. And you know, and they're appealing to everything. They appealing to the lower vibration in every one of these people, right? And that's what America, America is so built on low vibrations that, you know, it seems like the majority, but it's not, you know, just because that's what media and social media teaches us or promotes to us is that's what we need to focus on. The most low vibrational thing we got to focus on if I don't got money, then I ain't got this. If we ain't got sex, if we ain't got this, if we ain't hoarding. All of the resources we need is only us. We like there's a whole world. And they have made us believe. America, America first is such a crazy thing to me because we have a whole world with billions of people in it. And we're sitting there telling people, nah, we're gonna, we're gonna alienate, we just gonna focus on them. That that ideology in itself is a failing ideology, right? Because we supposed to be it's resources is when we travel outside of this country, right, and we visit other countries, we realize how beautiful is how many different nationalities, how many different cultures it is. Why would we want to isolate ourselves to just America? For what? How is that benefit? Why would we not want to trade with other countries and, and build other countries. Countries and, and not have to focus on. We got to have four or five allies because we might have to go to war and don't.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Every week, every week we got like.
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Matt Rogers
It doesn't even make sense. And. But that's what, that's what they have succeeded in doing, right? Because people are disenfranchised and they are purposely disenfranchised. They've created all of these things about the immigrants and this. And they tell you that the reason why you ain't got stuff because the immigrants got it, but they stealing billions of dollars and they make billions of dollars and they're able to spend money, 200 million a day on shit that makes no sense. But you don't have nothing because the immigrant that came here, that didn't have nothing is trying to get a job and they make you focus on him and not focus on people who's really stealing from you. But this is what America is. And I think in this time right now, blacks need to be on, on code, on cue and on point about what it is necessary for us to get to where we need to be.
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Tameka D. Mallory
But it's going to be some people who are going to say, well, well, Ice Cube, he had a plan and he put the forward and people didn't follow or support. And y' all said, I want to remind folks that because I saw somebody tell a lot the other day that I did.
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Matt Rogers
We attacked you and.
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Tameka D. Mallory
No, no, no, no. What I said was timing is everything.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah.
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Tameka D. Mallory
And when you in the middle of a moment where Lucifer is trying to become president in this very second. Right.
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Matt Rogers
You humanizing it's. Well, he met with me about my thing, but he never.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Because he didn't do nothing about what he never was. He met on it and didn't do.
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Matt Rogers
But he's very, he was strategic about that.
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Tameka D. Mallory
But, but, okay, fine, whatever. What I said again, let me repeat myself, is that the time to present the plan is when there was 900,000 people running for the Democratic nomination, Right? That was the time to present the plan so that you could find somebody of those nominees. My thing is this.
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Matt Rogers
Even if, even if it wasn't a Democrat, it wasn't Trump, Right? If you, if you were saying to yourself that you like the Republicans better, they were saying Republicans. It was actually some saying at that.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Time, but remember, they didn't oh, yeah. I think they had a primary, but they decided pretty quickly.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah.
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Tameka D. Mallory
He was going to be the guy saying that. I'm saying that there was a time when there was 900,000 people running. And. And all I'm suggesting is that that was a great time for us to know that you had the plan so we could go force the people to do the stuff that's in the plan. Well, I'm sorry, one last thing. And number two is that some of us might have wanted to see the plan so we could have actually helped to promote it.
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Matt Rogers
Because if it's a plan for black America.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
It should be a bunch of people.
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Tameka D. Mallory
That know about it, that sit around.
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Matt Rogers
There should be hundreds, not thousands of black people that feel like, you gonna.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Go meet with people about your plan. That's for us. Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
I mean, I don't know. It wasn't good. I think it was a good.
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Tameka D. Mallory
It wasn't good thing.
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Matt Rogers
I think it was a good faith. I just think that when you understand organizing and when you're doing something by the people and for the people, then the people got to be involved.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Oh, there's that. So the. Hence the target boycott. From day one, we've been trying to keep everybody informed of everything. Not. It's not easy. Not easy. So for my thought of the day today, so, you know, there's a lot happening with Bully Trump and his co partner, co president Elon. Where is Elon Musk? Have you seen Elon in the last car? I ain't seen Elon.
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Matt Rogers
Elon done got out of dog.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Elon said, y' all messing with my. My Tesla.
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Matt Rogers
He end up Tesla trying to figure it out, man. Said, look, y' all messing up this bread, man.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Okay?
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Matt Rogers
And then.
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Tameka D. Mallory
And I bet you some other people probably called the White House.
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Matt Rogers
I haven't heard from him since Vince. JD Vance was talking about him.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Yeah. I bet you some white folk called down there to the White House and said, y' all have to get this man out of here because he is too much. He's probably you over here to Miata chainsaw. Which I didn't even know that. So that's what I'm saying. So we ain't heard from him, but that doesn't mean he's not still doing this thing. Plus, they done already allegedly, you know, took what they need.
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Matt Rogers
And then he said that Trump was stupid. So I ain't heard from since then, either.
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Tameka D. Mallory
It's just. It's just. Where is he? We should do. Where's Elon Musk? Right. But but he definitely needs to be gone and not. But until it's an announcement that he's absolutely gone, then he's not gone. And Trump said the other day, oh, well I, what do you say? He said, no, he, you know, he's very talented. You know, at some point he was going to have to go back. It ain't been a year.
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Matt Rogers
Somebody got to go back to work.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Yeah, it ain't no joke. Stop talking. We know Three Car Molly. We saw that before.
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Matt Rogers
We from New York City. We know exactly about Three Car.
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Tameka D. Mallory
We know Three Car Molly. So anywho, anywho I was thinking, you know, because we've been saying as it relates to this whole Target situation, which by the way, a bunch of non believers. Oh, you know, everybody. Why not everybody. But there were people. Why Target? Why are you doing this? First of all, trying to get folks to focus on 16 things at one time. It has not ever worked. It is, it's just, we just. And the way that the world moves in the speed of lightning, if you don't have a focus on something, you, you, your, your, your attention deficit disorder can just take you spiraling out of control. So we know what we, we do. Anyway, so with that being said, but as we've been talking and I told you that in a conversation with a meeting that we had with the Target executives, Nina Turner, Jamal Bryant and myself, we asked what is the difference between Target and Delta, Target and Costco. Right. Because those folks have said 10 toes down, we staying with diversity, equity and inclusion. Right now they need to say they're going to do better. Which we can keep this, there's levels to this thing. But they said they're sticking with it. They're not getting rid of their programs. So what is the difference with Target? And it made me and that when I said it on the call. Sure, I believe that. I know. But it becomes more crystal clear to me as I watch Harvard because Harvard is being bullied. Donald Trump says he wants he going to hold $2 billion. Now he's up to another billion. And Harvard said, listen, we, you can go, you can kick rocks, we gonna sue you, we gonna fight you. And we're saying, no, we're not.
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Matt Rogers
Who's the best lawyers in the world?
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Tameka D. Mallory
That's right.
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Matt Rogers
You know, they legal?
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Tameka D. Mallory
That's right. Well some of them, they do produce very, very good lawyers. But there's some great lawyers that are coming from HBCUs and other produce a lot of. They do, they do, they do. Except there's people who've Gone to Harvard for the most part, if they really were there, not just because somebody bought their. Bought their way in, because we saw that, we know how that was going down, but people who really went there and studied, they get something from it and. Absolutely. So you're right. But Harvard said, kick rocks not doing it. Now, the funny thing about it, and by the way, Harvard has a. An endowment. Billions of dollars of an endowment. That's what endowments are for. Something happened. There's a rainy day or a situation, you can still take care of your business and maintain the institution, no matter what's going on. That is a lot of rules and this and voting and boards and whatever, but nonetheless, that's what you have. You have a pocket of money or a bucket of money that is there to sustain you. Right? So they, they, they. They basically like, let's play game. Because we know you, you want to bully us, but if we look the devil in his eye, he'll flee from you.
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Matt Rogers
That's right.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Is that not.
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Matt Rogers
That's the word.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Is that not the word? Okay, Columbia pretty much has said they was going to do whatever Trump wanted. Right. They announced, we hear you. We gonna get rid of this and that and do we gonna do this to the students and put these rules. And I mean, they, they went along with a bunch of stuff that was crazy and embarrassing when Harvard said, we gonna fight back and created whoever created the Big Ten, which is a bunch of educational institutions that are joining forces to fight that. Now Columbia has sort of started to walk back some of what they've agreed to. Columbia is like, yeah, actually, we're really not gonna let the federal government tell us take away all of our autonomy. That's their statement, quote, unquote. Right? It took the courage of one to stand up. And now that courage has become contagious. One became contagious. Now other people are like, oh, okay, yeah, I could stand up, too. I'm going to speak out too. I'm going to join the fight. And my thought of the day is that we have to, no matter what the naysayers be. People on your. On your team, your family members, your friends, people to the left and right of you are telling you, this ain't gonna work. Why y' all in Target? What about John and this company and that company? Yeah, them companies, they also need to be on the list. But it takes you to be able to show one. Just one, Just one. Since we as black women especially, like to go to your store and. And we walk around for four, five hours and we became besties with you because Michelle Obama said y' all was Target. Somebody reminded me of that the other day. Michelle Obama said y' all was Tarjay. And we love it. We don't. We. We love you and we up in there spending money and you got the audacity, first of all to say you gonna roll something back and didn't even meet with the business owners or the people, the community or anything you want to meet. Now maybe you should have met before, but you would have had to respect your consumer base and respect the people who actually are helping to keep your company in one of the top, whatever number they are of those big box brands. So for me, it just reminds me and it underscores that we are on the right issues that if you are a company who has decided that you want to stand with those or at least try to somehow seem like you're on the same page with this administration's racism, bigotry and oppression, suppression of people, we have the right to say we only need to argue with you. Let's just take out those stuff. A little bit of you don't need. You didn't even need it. You didn't even need it. So simple thought of the day is it takes the courage of one and it takes the sometimes a precise battle to be able to spread to others. To one, alert them we're not playing.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah.
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Tameka D. Mallory
And two, show us the power of what we can do when we come together. Listen, man, boycott Target.
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Matt Rogers
Boycott Target because Target has boycotted us. I mean, you know what I'm saying? We just, we just following suit, man. You don't want us. You know what I'm saying? We. We get it, man. You made. You said, look, I'm breaking up with you. And we said we going to go.
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Tameka D. Mallory
No, they said we breaking up. But we still got some stuff for you. But it just. We can't tell everybody.
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Matt Rogers
They just want to have sex with you.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Oh, they don't want to go with.
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Matt Rogers
Son. See, they don't want to go with you no more. But they want to call you a little booty call here.
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Tameka D. Mallory
No, my son, forget it.
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Matt Rogers
You can't get none of this.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Oh my God.
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Matt Rogers
Now you realize and you got that we had that. Good, good. And you like damn, man, what we gonna do?
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Tameka D. Mallory
Yeah, yeah.
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Bowen Yang
Thank you.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Thank you for Ain't no more booty call.
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Matt Rogers
Now you listen. You don't broke up.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Oh my God.
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Matt Rogers
You gonna break up with us in the daytime and try to get a little bit at night time. It ain't gonna work, man. So we, we on you, we own.
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Tameka D. Mallory
This is terrible. Moving right along. Do you have the TMI for today? Are people still doing too much?
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Matt Rogers
People are doing way, way too much. I don't know if this is too much, right, because you know Trump's tariffs, were they up to like 245 against China.
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Tameka D. Mallory
And so we, I mean, this is like not even making sense. I mean, listen, the word what, where does the formula come from?
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Matt Rogers
We're in a tariff war with a country, a nation that we have allowed to outsource most of our things with in hopes that now people in America say, you know what, we just going to build all the things that they got and we're gonna find out. But now what we're doing is we, we're eliminating the fact that we have import export companies that are going to be disenfranchised. We have certain trucking businesses that they can go to those docks to get through. All of these places that have built their industries off the import, export, building business, mainly going to China are going to close down. So only thing you're doing is actually sacrificing, you're interchanging them, so it's not going to build anything and you're going to end the relationship with the country. But that's not even a thing right now. China has said. Okay, so we at war. So what I'm gonna do is let y' all know, the consumer, the consumer. Five thousand dollar bags y' all paying for, they made right here in this little Factory for about 30, $40. And if you want them, we can ship them to you personally. Since this what y' all want to do, we gonna let you know the back is made in China. It ain't made in whatever you think it is. And we got them right here. They charging you 5000, 10,000. We got them for about $50 hundred dollars. Man, they charging 50 hundred. And they on every site letting you know this. Oh, this the game y' all want to play. They playing dirty. So are they doing too much by exposing? Because I think that people are stupid anyway. Yeah, y' all love to spend more money because it was saying cost more money, it's more valuable. So they let y' all know that they be playing y' all. And some people gonna be like, I'm not buying. And it's the same bag. This is, this is how we have been conditioned to just do. It's the same bag. If somebody put the same exact bag and they tell you, this bag right here is 500 and this one is 50,000. Some people gonna say I want that 50,000. $50,000 bag and you gonna buy. And so I'm just saying to myself, is it even gonna work? Because we so materialistic and we want to have what's called high level fashion anyway that high end, high end and high level whatever it is, high end fashion anyway that people gonna still want to pay $5,000 for the 30 bag. So are they doing too much? Are they wasting their time? Is it gonna make sense? Are we gonna fall for. Are we gonna. Because listen to me, China, I let me get about 1020s back because I know I can sell them here. I could, I could.
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Tameka D. Mallory
No, but you can't sell them because the logo is not going to be on them. See, that's the thing. The reason why the bags cost more money is because the people like Hermes is one that, that China put this information out about Hermes puts the. First of all, this is so crazy, which when I was watching the video, I said who? They said China ships the product to Europe. Europe puts the stamp and the serial number and all the hardware on it that comes from this from, from Hermes and Hermes and then they sent it over here to America. So when they send it over here, they send it from Europe. So you think you can use some European stuff and really they don't rip that made it. That's what China said.
- [31:54]
Matt Rogers
Now then they go over here and they put it made in Europe and then they ship it here.
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Tameka D. Mallory
They don't say made in Europe. I think it might still say made in China. Or maybe it doesn't say it at all because I'm gonna imagine they paid them a little more to take everything off of it. I have to look because I am a victim. I'm not a victim. It's by choice. It's by choice. It's by choice. But I'm not a person that says I'm not willing to buy this $500 thing. I'd rather the 50,000. I have all of it. I got something. I don't have nothing, 50,000. But I have all of it. I have high end stuff, you know, quote unquote with the logo. And I have things that I value that are very good quality, that come from different people and especially black folks that cost something that is much more reasonable. So I'm across the spectrum, just to be clear. However, I am one of those people who have purchased things that are very expensive and it came from this brand and that brand. So I'm just saying that when Target When China puts this information out, it does make you sit back and be like, this is very interesting. They sent it to Europe and then Europe says it to us. Yeah, because you don't really care. You away a little bit of name brand, but that ain't your thing.
- [33:07]
Matt Rogers
It's not a thing because I realized somebody is jerking you, somebody is skimming the skin.
- [33:12]
Tameka D. Mallory
It's funny. That was funny.
- [33:14]
Matt Rogers
When you, when you start selling clothes and you get into like fashion, you start realizing that as you go downtown and people is buying 20 and 30 jeans, they bring it up town, they selling for 200. So if that's just happening in that, in the, the micro, I know what these people is making and how they doing. So listen, might be tiamat, but might not be.
- [33:37]
Tameka D. Mallory
There's that. It might not be tmi. Maybe. I think it's it. I think people need to know so.
- [33:43]
Matt Rogers
We can make it up.
- [33:44]
Tameka D. Mallory
Because there are people out here that kill over this stuff and die over it. Work their whole life. Won't buy nothing else before they get whatever this thing is that has a symbol of status. So. But that. That was you. That was a good one. Yeah, it was very hilarious. Now speaking of where folks are getting products and stuff, man, I tell you, they trying to kill us. This lady that is coming up right now. Our next guest is about to talk about something that's really serious. Like our health is at risk for people's greed, for people's lack of care. And again, a lot of stuff that we're getting from other places around the world. They really don't care if it's killing black women and killing black people. And so we're about to learn a little bit more about that. And like I said, it's really personal for me because I'm one of the individuals who. Who needs, needs the service that this woman is coming up to talk about.
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Bowen Yang
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Tameka D. Mallory
Did you know that parents rank financial.
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Khadijah Doso
Literacy as the number one most difficult.
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Bowen Yang
Life skill to teach?
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Tameka D. Mallory
Meet Greenlight, the debit card and money app for families. With Greenlight, you can send money to kids quickly, set up Chores automate allowance and keep an eye on what your kids are spending with real time notifications. Kids learn to earn, save and spend wisely. And parents can rest easy knowing their kids are learning about money with guardrails in place. Try Greenlight Risk free today@greenlight.com iheart so this conversation that we're about to have is so serious. I don't even know if we've ever talked about anything on this show that's more serious than that than this because my health is at risk. I love me some braids. Got to have some braids. This is part of my lifestyle and even when I have my bundles in my head, there's braids underneath. So there are literally braids in my hair. Probably 355. Day 50. What is it? 365. About 360 days of the year I have braids in My head. I just want everybody to understand because I only got about five days of all through a whole year of taking it out, maybe a night of letting it just be free. But I keep my hair done. So, I mean, I'm trying to figure out what's going on. So we have this sister who is here with us today, Khadijah Doso, who is the CEO and founder of Doso Beauty. And that is a company that is the first clinically tested, non toxic, hypoallergenic braiding hair and organic hair care brand on the market. The first. That's what I'm talking. A young, beautiful woman who. You have been recognized by Forbes, 30, under 30, Refinery 29, and you name it. I think you also won the competition with what's his name? Pharrell. Yeah. So you're like, making headway, making headlines. $1.8 million in sales, and your company just started in 2024. No, we.
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Khadijah Doso
We started in 2018.
- [39:37]
Tameka D. Mallory
Oh, in 2018. Okay. But 2024 is when you began to get the recognition.
- [39:41]
Khadijah Doso
Yeah, a lot of recognition. And I mean, in these past two months, we've jumped by 800 of sales.
- [39:48]
Matt Rogers
Okay.
- [39:48]
Tameka D. Mallory
So there. So all. It's a lot happening, which you were saying, the political dynamics are shifting people's focus towards black businesses. Then, of course, health is a thing. And I love knowing that you guys started in 2018, because what that consistently underscores for our young people and for other people who think that this is the social media, it pops up and just happens. Era. It doesn't. People are building things for years before we see the finished product and before you actually get the credit. So you're saying that for six years you were moving around and doing stuff, but you begin to get a focus and the recognition in terms of headlines and whatnot. In 20. So it took you six years. Yeah, 2024.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah.
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Khadijah Doso
Yeah. It's definitely been a culmination of time.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Okay. Just, you know, because we. We deal with people every day.
- [40:43]
Matt Rogers
Tomorrow you're supposed to be rich.
- [40:44]
Khadijah Doso
Yeah.
- [40:45]
Matt Rogers
Like, they're like, no, I just did it. Why? Ain't got the money? Because you ain't put the work in.
- [40:50]
Khadijah Doso
Yeah.
- [40:50]
Matt Rogers
You got to struggle before you could really strive. You don't understand.
- [40:53]
Tameka D. Mallory
They don't understand that that was a bar, Mike. So you gotta struggle before you can strive.
- [40:58]
Matt Rogers
There you go.
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Tameka D. Mallory
But I don't want to always struggle.
- [41:02]
Matt Rogers
But the thing is, you. You're building a house like you're building something. There's a foundation. Right. Before you build this foundation, it's mud is this and that you have to make it solid so that they just. It don't blow away. It's like the little piggies houses, man. You know, three. All of them had different houses. When, you know, when they built to that brick though, it's gonna last long. So you just gotta understand what it is that you're doing. So that's why I'm saying we appreciate you. Because this is. This is the lessons that our kids need to understand that there is a process that it takes time. Because most of they just go on the Internet and they see people go viral one day and somebody's viral and like, yo, I was popping, I didn't even know I woke up and I was viral and now knows. But there are a lot of us who had to do this brick by brick, who had to put the work in, you know, and there's a story behind it. And the thing I. The thing that I always tell people is those closest to the problem are closest to the solution. Right. So when you. You created this out of something, a reaction that you had to synthetic hair. Explain how that happened.
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Khadijah Doso
Yeah, so I was living here in New York and I got my hair braided in Brooklyn and I had a severe allergic creation. I mean, there's something called dermatitis bumps. Those are little tiny bumps that you like. Ooh, it's pulling or. So it was actually the braiding hair. I call myself being precautious by getting a clean therapy like pre cleansed hair, pre treated hair. But the hair is still super toxic. Most people don't know this, but braiding hair includes lead, mercury, and a bunch of other carcinogens that literally cause us cancer.
- [42:43]
Matt Rogers
Whoa.
- [42:44]
Tameka D. Mallory
Damn. What is vocs? What is that?
- [42:47]
Khadijah Doso
So those are different compounded ingredients that help that they basically help us to cause cancer, you know. So those different compounds and ingredients, they are mixed together, especially when you put other chemicals together. And the basis of the Kanekalon fiber, when they started to create it in 1950, something, it was built together so it can last longer. It can be shiny, it can take to color, it can be flame retardant, heat resistant. So basically it's toxic chemicals.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Toxic chemicals. Okay, so Johnson and Johnson. I think about our brother, attorney Benjamin Crump, who is suing Johnson and Johnson because clearly the baby powder, the talcum and other things were not good for us. I think Revlon is one of the other companies as well. So we know that there's a history of these toxins specifically harming black folks, which sometimes I wonder like how. Why is it everything. It just impacts worse in the movies. I don't understand. Yeah, I mean, so how, why is it that the. And I'm not saying that there haven't been white folks, white women who also use talcum powder and they got, you know, what do we get? Cysts and things like that, cancer causing cysts? I'm not saying that, but we know the numbers are not the same. And I just try to understand why is it, do you know, maybe you don't, maybe this is off topic, but do you understand, like what is it that the products are specifically bad for us as black people?
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Khadijah Doso
I think for me, honestly, you really got to take a look at the ownership of the actual industry. So most people don't know, but like almost 89% of all ethnic hair care products are owned by white and Korean men.
- [44:44]
Tameka D. Mallory
Do you think that they research what might harm their own people and make sure that it's not as prevalent in the product? And they don't care about the rest of the folks.
- [44:52]
Khadijah Doso
I think they care about time, I think they care about the speed, how much money they can make off of it. But as far as health is concerned, I think that's the last part on.
- [45:01]
Tameka D. Mallory
Their list, no matter what we think about it.
- [45:04]
Matt Rogers
Not to say, but who is really getting braids? You know what I'm saying?
- [45:07]
Tameka D. Mallory
So the white girls are using, but I was talking about talcum powder. So I'm, I was on Johnson and Johnson kind of, you know, just thinking about like Johnson and Johnson and Revlon. The. There is a specific impact for black women with those products, black people with those products. And a lot of times black men are impacted too, because black men can get cysts and you know, cancer causes cysts but never talk about it. And that's, that's why the death rates are so stark. Because most of the men are not taking care of themselves properly and not getting the proper checkups and all of that. So by the time they're gone, the research and the process of treatment and all of that is too late. You know, so it's a, there's a lot of disparities there. But I was specifically thinking about why some of those products, all the toxins harm us the most. But to your point, all of them, back to your point, across the board, they're thinking about how to get these products make the most that they can. So they want to spread it as much as they can, which means you need to put synthetic things. Let's go back to. I learned a little bit From New Jack City and juice. Not juice. Wisdom of Belly and all of that. That when people making drugs, they put products in it that makes it look the same, but it's. It's. What is it? Lower quality that stretches it out. Like, we know. We saw them cook it up. You know, baking powder. Baking soda was a part of that. Right. And that. So that.
- [46:35]
Matt Rogers
That.
- [46:36]
Tameka D. Mallory
So we know. And fentanyl is now something that is being used to stretch drugs, and it's killing people. So this is a problem. Like, what is the FDA involved here? Is it? No.
- [46:47]
Khadijah Doso
So that's the thing. Like, the other part is that there's no FDA regulation about. Around cosmetics, especially the ethnic hair care products that are around there. So there. People can. Like, I had the allergic reaction again. It said clean therapy. It said that it was pre cleansed. But that's just marketing.
- [47:05]
Tameka D. Mallory
They.
- [47:05]
Khadijah Doso
Anybody can. Can mock up a. A PDF on Canva and say, oh, I'm gonna print this out and put it on the packaging. Anybody can. There's no regulation.
- [47:13]
Tameka D. Mallory
So the braiding hair that we use. In my head. Itching right now. Yeah, I feel like I'm scratching. I wasn't even itching. And now stop itching.
- [47:20]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [47:20]
Tameka D. Mallory
So you're saying that there's no body? No. And by the way, we. Have you ever seen Painkillers?
- [47:27]
Khadijah Doso
No. No.
- [47:28]
Tameka D. Mallory
Okay, so you have to watch Painkillers. You have to watch Painkillers on Netflix, y' all. We've been telling you about it, but you find out at the end of this documentary that the guy from the FDA who was continuously denying the Percocet family. My Lying. My son. Their application over some year. No, no. Because he knew that it was addictive and harmful. And he was like, nah, this is not good for people. Yeah, they met him somewhere. It was. And this is a documentary painkiller. So it's supposed to be true. Information here. They met him somewhere at a conference or invited him to come and kind of see up close and personal what they do. There was a meeting in the hotel room. The next thing you know, he. A year later, he approves their patent and then quits the FDA and goes to work for family. Stop.
- [48:28]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [48:29]
Tameka D. Mallory
What?
- [48:29]
Khadijah Doso
They pay him.
- [48:30]
Matt Rogers
They paid him a lot of money.
- [48:32]
Tameka D. Mallory
The Sackler family. The Sackler family?
- [48:36]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [48:36]
Khadijah Doso
That's crazy.
- [48:37]
Matt Rogers
They paid.
- [48:38]
Tameka D. Mallory
Okay.
- [48:38]
Khadijah Doso
Yeah.
- [48:39]
Tameka D. Mallory
So the FDA don't even mean a thing. Okay, but. But you're telling me there is no governing body.
- [48:44]
Khadijah Doso
There is no governing body.
- [48:46]
Tameka D. Mallory
We in trouble.
- [48:46]
Khadijah Doso
So, like, that's why it was important for us to get our clinical trials because I wanted to make sure that okay, my manufacturer wasn't just telling me okay, this is non toxic and hypoallergenic. I needed clinical trials to both say that we are clinically tested, non toxic and also hyperallergenic.
- [49:03]
Tameka D. Mallory
Wow.
- [49:04]
Matt Rogers
So what exact chemicals are there that causes like these cancers that causes reactions?
- [49:11]
Bowen Yang
For some of us, personal finances aren't just personal, they include a lot more people than ourselves, loved ones, neighbors, the communities we call home, and the causes we hold in our hearts. At Thrivent, we help plan your financial picture with the bigger picture in mind. Because even though our business is helping guide your finances, our ambition is to make it mean so much more. Thrivent Where Money Means more Connect with us@thrivent.com Millions of people have turned to Claude, the AI assistant from Anthropic because it just feels different. Where other AIs often sound a little robotic, Claude has been designed with special research that informs its character, meaning that Claude just gets it when it comes to empathy and emotional intelligence. That's why Clawd has become the if you know, you know choice for dating advice, career coaching, gathering your thoughts for those important life decisions, and more. Give Claude a try for free at Claude.com that's C-L-A-U--E.com and let us know how you feel the difference in the.
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- [51:25]
Khadijah Doso
Mercury and a bunch of again other carcinogens. The biggest part about lead and mercury as we know like if lead and mercury are in any of the food items too much that we have, we consume it can cause us to have really, really, like, bad health concerns. But those are just two of them. There's a bunch of PBBs and other VOCs like Tamika mentioned that literally cause cancer. They also help to induce other thyroid reactions as well, too. Some people that have fibroids as well, too, they see flare ups. I have so many friends, quite a few friends who are, you know, they have all of these different, you know, feminine issues that are, you know, going on with their womb and with cysts and actually makes it bad worse. Right? Because the thing about braids is it's not like you're taking it on and taking it off. I'm keeping this in for weeks at a time. My pores are open, right? So what. Whatever chemical I'm sweating, it's open.
- [52:27]
Matt Rogers
It's even coloring or whatever.
- [52:30]
Khadijah Doso
Yes, Color.
- [52:31]
Tameka D. Mallory
Yes. It's colored, too. Yeah, exactly.
- [52:33]
Khadijah Doso
So it's color. It's seasonal.
- [52:35]
Tameka D. Mallory
Hair come from that we use for our braid in here. Please don't tell me. Me, don't answer.
- [52:39]
Khadijah Doso
You know. You know where it comes.
- [52:40]
Tameka D. Mallory
I saw something somewhere. It's like. It's like, terrible.
- [52:43]
Khadijah Doso
Yeah, yeah. So mostly, most of where everything else in this country comes from is exactly where the braiding hair comes from. So most of the braiding hair is made in China but sold by Korean people. So, like, there's this, like, whole. I don't even know if y' all. If y' all dig or peep and understand the Asian.
- [53:05]
Tameka D. Mallory
Hermes. I mean, Hermes, they don't. The Chinese is spilling everything. They telling you everything.
- [53:13]
Khadijah Doso
They said, actually, you can get this from us for $20. It's not 2,000.
- [53:17]
Tameka D. Mallory
That's what they said.
- [53:18]
Khadijah Doso
Yeah.
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Tameka D. Mallory
So it showed you where it's being made.
- [53:21]
Khadijah Doso
Okay. The bird kid sitting across from each other like this. It's crazy. So the Asian empire is just like a crazy conglomerate. Like, so you got Chinese people, they own restaurants and. And all those things. We have Korean people, right, who are notoriously known for opening up beauty supply stores. They have trade agreements with China where they can. If my manufacturer is selling it to me for a dollar, they're going to sell it to them for a penny. So I'm paying, you know, a hundred percent more than what they're going to sell it to their fellow Asian brethren.
- [53:57]
Matt Rogers
And people talking about, we shouldn't be doing business with each other. And listen, we don't. We ain't got time. We don't got time to do.
- [54:05]
Khadijah Doso
No.
- [54:06]
Tameka D. Mallory
They don't say, I'm help you, because.
- [54:07]
Matt Rogers
My goal is this. If you ain't got this right. We're going to fix it.
- [54:10]
Tameka D. Mallory
Yeah, that's right.
- [54:11]
Matt Rogers
We gonna fix whatever you ain't got. Right. I'm gonna fix it. I'm bringing my money. So look, okay, you messed up this time. But look, this is what. And once you show the need that you want to be better. Yeah, I'm gonna invest in that.
- [54:19]
Khadijah Doso
Exactly.
- [54:20]
Matt Rogers
And that's what we have to do as black people, because that's what they do. And I don't know anybody who does not think that every other ethnic group does. That is crazy.
- [54:28]
Tameka D. Mallory
Yeah.
- [54:28]
Matt Rogers
Just because they see each other as brother and sister. It's like, if my little brother is doing something, because why am I not going to invest in him? Especially when I know he got the skill set and the will to do it. I'm gonna bet on him more than. I'm gonna make sure you get rich. I'm. I'm making sure that I'm creating generational wealth and. And black people, the only people that don't want it and tell you, oh, I ain't just doing it because you black. I am.
- [54:51]
Khadijah Doso
Right.
- [54:52]
Matt Rogers
I'm gonna do it because you're black. And I don't want you to be confused. Yeah, you black. You doing something, and I need it to you.
- [54:58]
Tameka D. Mallory
No, I believe in it.
- [55:00]
Matt Rogers
That's the reality of the situation. And we have. And we don't have to be ashamed to say that.
- [55:04]
Khadijah Doso
Well, I think the other thing that's interesting and I saw something earlier today. It was about nepotism, Right. Like, in the sense of not just like, familial, but cultural nepotism. Like, there's nothing wrong with putting other black people.
- [55:17]
Tameka D. Mallory
I'm for nepotism. No, I'm all for. That's why.
- [55:22]
Matt Rogers
I want to make sure.
- [55:23]
Tameka D. Mallory
That LeBron said, and I got opportunity, and when my son want to play ball, you could play.
- [55:29]
Khadijah Doso
And I got you.
- [55:30]
Matt Rogers
Yes.
- [55:31]
Tameka D. Mallory
But you need to be good when you get there.
- [55:33]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. And if you're not, then. But I'm gonna give you the opportunity.
- [55:36]
Tameka D. Mallory
I'm gonna give you the opportunity.
- [55:37]
Matt Rogers
Because even the thing is this, Right. Because people try to tell Braun he wasn't good. Right.
- [55:41]
Tameka D. Mallory
Oh, right.
- [55:42]
Matt Rogers
It started out he was having. He was going through the things, and he created his son.
- [55:47]
Tameka D. Mallory
It was in his head.
- [55:47]
Matt Rogers
No, you're gonna be able to mess up a little bit. We ain't just throwing you up. Because I control list. I'm the face of this, and I say, my son gonna get some. Okay. We're gonna sit him down to the other league, and we're gonna let you get, but don't worry about it. You're gonna get. Look, you listen. They gonna talk crazy about you. That's what come with the game. But you're gonna have every opportunity. Now, if you this up, it's on you, because I'm giving you every. And next thing you know, he was going 40 and 30, and they like, oh, Ron, nah, don't say that. Because that's what you're supposed to do to your son.
- [56:14]
Tameka D. Mallory
That's it.
- [56:15]
Matt Rogers
That's what we supposed to do to our kids. We gotta let them. I'm a soccer dad, so my son goes out there, he might have a bad quarter, a bad game, and I'm like, don't worry about it. And I'm near every game. So the coach know that I'm there for my son. Y' all gonna make sure that he get all the opportunities. I'm gonna scream at the top of my lung. I'm a curse of the ref. I'm going to make him feel so comfortable to be able to be 100 of himself. And that's what we supposed to do as parents.
- [56:40]
Tameka D. Mallory
Yeah, we supposed to. Right? I mean, so since we support you, right, Tell us some more about your products.
- [56:47]
Khadijah Doso
Yeah.
- [56:48]
Tameka D. Mallory
You know, so now you. You have this product here that. And do people believe in you? How. Where do you think the click happened for folks starting to support and respect your work?
- [57:00]
Khadijah Doso
So I think it was so funny enough I conducted my clinical trials last year, well before. And Princeton reached out to me directly. They found our brand. They were like, hey, we could help to test your hair to make sure it's hypoallergenic. I was always putting pressure on my manufacturer to be like, yo, like, we got to make sure we get testing, testing, testing for regulation. And so I decided to do that way ahead of when the consumer report just got released two months ago. Once the consumer report got released, people kind of were like, oh, well, I don't have an allergic reaction, so it doesn't matter. Now, since that got released and it showed the breakdown of all of the top 10 brands that has black women in a chokehold and has had us in a chokehold, like expressions like shake and go. Like, all of those brands, the exposure was there. So now people are like, no, I need to find an alternative. I have to find an alternative. So that was the really big peak for me. But the preparation is why we're able to do what we do and why we were able to grow by 800%. Right. Because I have the supply chain. I have the background. A lot of the other non toxic braiding hair brands, they're all sold out of stock and they can't restock for months at a time. But I've already have great trade agreements with UPS with my manufacturer to be able to produce and purchase orders once a week and to get here quick.
- [58:26]
Tameka D. Mallory
So what is, what is the going to be a pushback? What are the hair braiders saying? So like my, the person who braids my hair, certain hair you she won't use. Yeah, right. Now I don't she, I hope she know maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. She says pre cleaned and she definitely tries to use quality of everything and all of that but she, I'm sure she could be educated as well on how we can do better. Yeah, right. So I'm sure I'm. As soon as I call, she gonna say what. Let me write it down, let me see what you're talking about. Right. So I, I get that but I'm sure there is, there, there, there has been and there always will be an excuse that we love white folk or anybody else folk stuff. Yeah, we love it. We got to have.
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Khadijah Doso
Yeah.
- [59:09]
Tameka D. Mallory
So we'll say no, no, no, it doesn't work because it's, it splits and it doesn't do the thing. Right. And whatever is there. Have you heard some of that or you think like your product is just ready and there's no issue?
- [59:21]
Khadijah Doso
No, no, no. There is a lot. There's a ton of braiders who I find myself having to educate and I've even created a community called the Braid Corner to give them more education about it because they would rather go purchase expressions because they've been using expressions for 20 years rather than trying a non toxic braiding hair brand that not only is this hair that they braiding in.
- [59:43]
Tameka D. Mallory
Your hair causing you touching it all day.
- [59:46]
Khadijah Doso
Touching it all day. So you are now susceptible to those same things times ten because you're, you're playing in the product all day long. Right. So for, for a lot of the braiders, right, what they do is they send their customers to come to us to purchase the hair directly. But we have a program where you only need to buy 12 in order to get 30 off. So it's not like it's super hard for you to do it. We're on other platforms where you can pay for your hair and your products that you need in that 60 terms without having, you don't have to have stellar credit and you know, have a crazy trade line agreement because People don't.
- [60:21]
Tameka D. Mallory
Want a lot of hair sitting around when they're working in a suite or they, like, because my. My braid, every time I leave, she like, you want to take the leftover? And I'm like, no, ma' am. No, not at all.
- [60:31]
Khadijah Doso
And again, it's a business acumen thing. So, like, I went to Hampton for undergrad and study business. The more and more I am speaking with braiders and I'm speaking with salons. A lot of them just don't have the best business practices and understanding that every single product that you pay for is a part of your cost of goods sold. And so when you do throw that extra piece of hair away, you are literally throwing money away. Right. So I think it's more so about educating people. And then also right now, they're putting the onus back onto the actual customers or the clients to get the hair.
- [61:04]
Tameka D. Mallory
So that hair in your head is your hair? Of course. Yes. Yes. Okay, well, I'm gonna have to try your hair. So is there a new. A different type of technique or something that braiders need to be aware of when it comes to your hair to help them loop it around better, easier, whatever.
- [61:22]
Khadijah Doso
No, I mean, you can use our braiding hair just like you would. You can hot water, set it.
- [61:26]
Tameka D. Mallory
Oh, talk about hot water. Tell me about the dipping process, because we thought. I thought that was really, you know, making it good. Yeah, but you're telling me that's problematic too. Yeah, it is.
- [61:36]
Khadijah Doso
Especially with the toxic braiding hair because you're emitting all of the. You ever see the water and it's super cloudy, That's a bunch of those chemicals coming off of the hair into the hot water. And so you can hot water set our braiding hair. You won't see white foam and all this stuff bubbling around because it's pre cleansed and pre treated already. Our hair is super soft. It's lightweight. You felt my hair already, and it's really, like, it's super, super soft. A little, a lot. A little goes a long way. That's what I'll also say is, like, our bundles are actually thicker and bigger than the regular braiding hair that's in the market. So really, if you want to get, like, medium knotless, you can use two, three bundle packs of our braiding hair. We also do have different lengths and colors too. So I thought it was super important for us to have a shorter length for, you know, some of the kids as well as, like, sometimes you just don't want a bunch of long braids you know, the. The Knotless Bob was a thing that has been trending. Right. So, like, getting a shorter length and then we do have our 28 inches, which is our three bundle packs, and we have our 32 inches. So I have our 32 inches because I wanted it longer.
- [62:43]
Tameka D. Mallory
What's the price point difference?
- [62:45]
Khadijah Doso
So our three bundle pack is $30. Right now in our single pack, packs are 13.
- [62:51]
Tameka D. Mallory
Okay.
- [62:51]
Khadijah Doso
So that's why it just makes sense to get two, three bundle packs and you're good to go.
- [62:55]
Tameka D. Mallory
Good. What you. What you got, Mike? Oh, you're gonna ask? I just want.
- [63:00]
Matt Rogers
So being a black entrepreneur and working and having to sell, you know, your products online and in different spaces, how is DEI affecting you? Do you feel like it's affecting you? Do you feel like it's necessary? What do you think?
- [63:14]
Khadijah Doso
Yeah, I think that I've been able to be the product of 20 plus accelerator programs that were created and curated for black entrepreneurs. So me being a part of those programs, just like you mentioned earlier, Pharrell Williams, Black Ambition. I was the HBCU grand prize winner. If there was not funding being poured into the foundation like Black Ambition, then there would not be opportunity for me to have money and capital to start and grow my business. Right. So for me, right now, I think I'm on the other end of it, not looking to receive a bunch of grants to get started because we are doing well as far as revenue is concerned. But now it's like me pouring back into our community. Right. And so giving back to the community, employing other people that are within our community in my retail store and my actual braiding salon in Philly, like, being able to do those things. And so I think that the other part that the D and I issue, I feel like. And I come from corporate too, so I worked at a really big management consulting firm, and I was a part of the DEI program because, again, I'm an HBCU grad and recruit.
- [64:24]
Tameka D. Mallory
Oh, you mean to tell me that you, as a black person, were in a DEI program? Because, you know, if you let the Internet tell it, black people didn't get nothing from it. It was just all white women and that's it.
- [64:36]
Khadijah Doso
Yeah. No. So me as a black woman was a part of a really, really good program that filtered in from HBCU students. Right. So they go to the Hamptons, the Howard the Morehouses, and they pick the best of the best there to start. And so.
- [64:52]
Tameka D. Mallory
And that was dei.
- [64:53]
Khadijah Doso
That was dei.
- [64:55]
Tameka D. Mallory
Okay. Just making sure.
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Khadijah Doso
Dei.
- [64:56]
Tameka D. Mallory
Yep. But we've been Trying to tell people that we gotta choose one thing or the other. We saying that it didn't benefit black folks, but then we're saying we gotta support the black businesses that are being impacted by it. Either either it was was impacting or was it wasn't, you know.
- [65:13]
Khadijah Doso
Exactly. And it was though, right? Because I think the other part is it we just talked about it, right? Nepotism in a sense.
- [65:19]
Tameka D. Mallory
Right.
- [65:20]
Khadijah Doso
But in a good way, right? Like, hey, if we are disadvantaged people and it's just like when you apply for a grant, if you are from a disadvantaged community, a marginalized community, it's a part of it.
- [65:32]
Tameka D. Mallory
You check that box off.
- [65:34]
Khadijah Doso
That means that I do need a leg up in order to get and have some sort of equal way for our other counterparts who all their dads are partners at the firm and they didn't even really have to apply. So yes, we need those programs. I think it's super important for all of the larger companies and firms to still have all of those recruitment programs. And the former job that I actually left, they actually just announced that they were stopping their DEI recruitment programs. So now I'm interested to see what consulting is going to look like. Because if it's all going to be whitewashed or I'm only recruited from all of the top schools that like have all the legs up, there's no diversity in thought. And in those rooms and all of the other really cool things that y' all need to provide to these clients that y' all are making billions off of, you're not going to have the opportunity to have those people in the rooms now.
- [66:29]
Tameka D. Mallory
Well, honey, let the church.
- [66:30]
Matt Rogers
You said it.
- [66:31]
Tameka D. Mallory
Let the church say amen. Amen. And we appreciate you. You are extremely knowledgeable, beautiful. Your product I'm going to start using and talking about, can't wait to put it on my socials and tell the sisters we leaving the other people and we going to a black woman. There's nothing wrong with that. And I don't have space, but I will find space to stay. Stockpile my braiding hair so I can bring it with me whenever I go to get my hair braided. And you know, Khadijah, I, I listening to you speaking on the diversity. He was the one who said we have to ask about diversity. And I was like, well, maybe she doesn't want to talk about that. But to know that you actually have history and personal experience makes it so much better. Because you said something that is so key. You said, because I was a part of programs that were Created in the name of diversity, equity, and inclusion. I was able to get funding so that I could build, and now I am taking what I was able to accomplish and helping other people. That has always been the reason why diversity and equity and inclusion was established. That was why some of these companies were forced to do it, because people called them out on not having it. And yes, it's been infiltrated by white women in this group. And that we get. That always happens.
- [67:56]
Khadijah Doso
Yeah.
- [67:56]
Tameka D. Mallory
They wearing cornrows.
- [67:57]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [67:58]
Tameka D. Mallory
Trying to act like Kim Kardashian at some point started it. Okay. So we know. We know. We know that it's always infiltrated. What we should be asking for and what we should be demanding is that you don't change. You don't take back diversity, equity, and inclusion. You make it better.
- [68:18]
Khadijah Doso
Yes.
- [68:18]
Tameka D. Mallory
You make it stronger. You add more elements to it to ensure that it impacts the most vulnerable populations. But some of us are so crazy, and we. We get caught up in. I don't even know, whatever. Whatever they learned on the podcast somewhere that, you know, YouTube that we don't need it. We don't need it. So now what you. Because you said there's nothing I want to correct that you said. You said, we don't know. We interested to see what's gonna look like. It's gonna look like how it looked before. And how it looked before was white men.
- [68:48]
Khadijah Doso
Yeah.
- [68:49]
Tameka D. Mallory
Were the leaders and made all. Had all the money. And the white women were their assistants. Yeah. And black people worked in the kitchen, worked in, you know, driver maybe. And had these little jobs, which is why they want immigrants to be moved. Because if you have immigrants who are filling up some of those spaces of doing a lot of the. The hard work, the labor work, and then you have more black people becoming more educated and entrepreneurs, now you got to deal with us on a level. And the immigrants are becoming a larger population. They are growing. They're having more children. So now you gotta. You. What happens is white folks are being called to the table. That you can't have all of this pie for yourself.
- [69:34]
Khadijah Doso
Yeah.
- [69:34]
Tameka D. Mallory
So they said we got to readjust this thing so we can make America great again. Don't play with us like we don't know what's going on. We should be fighting for not just diversity, equity, and inclusion. We want plus plus plus.
- [69:49]
Khadijah Doso
Yeah.
- [69:49]
Tameka D. Mallory
So there's that. Yeah. Okay. I don't have anything else to say. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
- [69:54]
Matt Rogers
Yes. That was definitely a TED Talk. Thank you for being here, Khadijah. Keep being Great. We appreciate you.
- [70:00]
Khadijah Doso
Thank you. I appreciate y' all for having me.
- [70:02]
Tameka D. Mallory
Thank you so much. Anything that we left out that you need to say, how do people get it? Where do they go?
- [70:06]
Khadijah Doso
Yes. So you guys can purchase our products directly on dosobeauty.com. the S D O S S O B E A U T Y. We are a top seller on Amazon as well, too. You can find us on socials at Doso Beauty. And then if you're in Philly, stop by our store. We have the Doso Beauty experience, which is the luxury hair braiding salon and also retail store as well, too.
- [70:28]
Tameka D. Mallory
Well, there's that. We need some product.
- [70:31]
Khadijah Doso
I got some stuff. I got something for you too. Okay, it's not braiding.
- [70:34]
Matt Rogers
Listen, cuz, I don't get no braids.
- [70:35]
Khadijah Doso
But listen, I got got some stuff for you. I got some stuff for you.
- [70:38]
Tameka D. Mallory
All right, now my song's like whatever they say.
- [70:42]
Khadijah Doso
And then I got some of our top selling Whip shay, butter whip shade.
- [70:46]
Matt Rogers
Look at this.
- [70:48]
Tameka D. Mallory
People won't let.
- [70:49]
Khadijah Doso
My customers will not let me stop making it. They're like, this is correct.
- [70:53]
Matt Rogers
I haven't had skin skinning. That's right.
- [70:55]
Tameka D. Mallory
So it's for the skin, skin, hair.
- [70:57]
Khadijah Doso
Body, face like me that. I got some for you too. I got something in the other room for you. I got some of our hair look as well, too.
- [71:06]
Tameka D. Mallory
Hair oil got little. Okay, we got stuff, y' all. We love gifts up here.
- [71:11]
Matt Rogers
See, now they bringing gifts. This what I'm talking about. You can come anytime.
- [71:16]
Khadijah Doso
Y' all gave me the space. I got to give y' all something.
- [71:18]
Tameka D. Mallory
We appreciate it. Welcome to come back. You're welcome to use our social media.
- [71:23]
Matt Rogers
You're welcome to bring more gifts. That's right.
- [71:26]
Tameka D. Mallory
If you need to post something. If you're doing a promo, when we say we want to help, what we mean is that how whatever resource we have, we want to offer it it to you. So don't be hesitant to say, hey, can you guys post this thing or can you talk about it? Because I want to be able to say this is DOSO in my head.
- [71:43]
Khadijah Doso
Yes. Okay, I got you. Yeah, no, I will definitely.
- [71:46]
Tameka D. Mallory
And I paid for stuff. I don't need free products. Thank you.
- [71:48]
Khadijah Doso
This is.
- [71:49]
Tameka D. Mallory
Thank you for the first.
- [71:50]
Matt Rogers
I'm broke, so you know what I'm saying? I might.
- [71:52]
Tameka D. Mallory
Don't claim.
- [71:53]
Matt Rogers
Give me half. Well, I'm poor.
- [71:56]
Tameka D. Mallory
No, don't claim. You under resource.
- [71:59]
Matt Rogers
There you go. I'm under resourced, so I might need a discount. About 50. No, I'm just We got you.
- [72:04]
Tameka D. Mallory
Thank you.
- [72:05]
Khadijah Doso
I appreciate y' all. Thank you. I appreciate it. All right, awesome. So now you get a bag and.
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Tameka D. Mallory
You get a bag. Everybody gets a bag.
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Matt Rogers
Everybody gets a bag. Everybody gets a bag.
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Matt Rogers
That's a lot. It's a lot. Especially when you. But the way you about your hair. I ain't never seen nobody. And you got braids in right now, so that is crazy. But good thing she gave you a few bundles. And we gonna invest, right?
- [75:06]
Tameka D. Mallory
Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm in.
- [75:08]
Matt Rogers
Got to invest because it's about health. You know what I'm saying? You want to look right, but it got to be healthy. No, I didn't even understand. I mean, not understand. I didn't even realize the way that she was saying that cancerous chemicals are inside here. How they get transferred and the sweating and the pause and even the people that's braiding, like that was. That was a deep, really deep conversation. We just don't understand how our health is being impacted by everything. Like, right. It's. At some point you. I see where you get this germaphobe. Because once they start telling you this and now you're going to be like, no, you can't do this hit like, like, they don't. They don't. Oh, my God. I don't even know what they did with you because that's a whole nother thing that you gonna be super, super crazy about now. It's here. We got to find out. You're gonna be reading the ingredients and I.
- [75:55]
Tameka D. Mallory
She said that you can't even read the ingredients.
- [75:57]
Matt Rogers
Oh, the car. Genesis. What is it?
- [75:59]
Bowen Yang
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Tameka D. Mallory
She said that they can put anything on the label and there's nobody that's actually verifying the stuff because the f.
- [76:06]
Matt Rogers
You gotta actually get tested. She said you gotta to get your stuff tested to see.
- [76:10]
Tameka D. Mallory
Well, I trust her. Ms. Do Do. So Khadija of Doso Beauty.
- [76:17]
Matt Rogers
Yes, man. Got me a little skin cream. You know what I'm saying?
- [76:21]
Tameka D. Mallory
You got yourself.
- [76:23]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, got me some stuff, man. You know, she come bear and give. She with me, man. So. Well, that brings me to my. I don't get it today. And it's. It's pretty much on target with a lot of the stuff we've been talking about today. You know, we are in very serious times. And I just don't understand why people don't realize that right when we look at Trump and shout out to Jolly, you know, last week's show and he was talking about how serious and it's not a game, it's not fear mongering, how this is really happening, happening, right? And I'm, I'm a person that likes to study history, and I've been looking at fascism and I've been looking at dictatorship, and I've been looking at how these authoritarian governments were actually established, right? So. Because when people were saying that to me, I'm like, what the is fashion? What is. Like, what do you mean? What is dictate? What does it mean? And then you look at the Hitler regime, you look at the Nazis and what they did and how they had a very clear strategy that Trump is sharing, right? They made people lose faith in government, right? They said, this government is not doing this for you, and I can do it. And he made you feel like he was the person that was able to save you. He focused on the Germans and said, look, this is what the Jews are doing, right? And we need to fight back. They're doing this to you. These people are invading our country. These people are doing these. These people are the enemy. And I'm, I'm fighting for the little guy and I'm gonna make Germany great. Like, these are the same phrases that he used, you know, and what starts happening is those who don't feel like they're impacted or think it's just fear mongering is this government, it's the regular thing, you know, whatever. They just, they're black people that just, like, this is nothing happening. They're just kidnapping people off the streets. Like, two days ago, I'm watching a little girl in handcuffs, right? As ICE comes to, to elementary schools, they're, they're literally arresting people with no charges and, and shipping them to El Salvador to pretty much concentrate wherever.
- [78:39]
Tameka D. Mallory
They got some places here where they're keeping them and detaining them and they.
- [78:42]
Matt Rogers
They have no charge. Like, people don't understand, understand how serious this is when, when you can look, when the President is looking at the Constitution and telling the Supreme Court, I don't have to follow you, right? And they made a decision that they're not even going to follow the law. There's no checks and balances. That is supreme rule. That means that the people have no say over how the government is being ran. This is exactly what Hitler did. He, he completely disenfranchised. He eliminated, did anything that would give a check and balance of what he was doing. And this is what Trump is doing. So as we look at this situation, I remember in the movie origin that Ava DuVernay.
- [79:22]
Tameka D. Mallory
Yeah.
- [79:23]
Matt Rogers
I think she released. Did she direct the movie?
- [79:25]
Tameka D. Mallory
Yeah, no, it's her movie. It's her film. It's her film.
- [79:28]
Matt Rogers
And it was, it was, it broke down how racism and cast go hand in hand, right? And how in the cast system is what they did to villainize and enslave and commit genocide against the Jewish people in Germany. And there's one scene where they're in the bathroom and there's a couple, you know, the man is a German, I think he might have been a soldier. And the woman is a Jewish woman.
- [80:01]
Tameka D. Mallory
Who could pass?
- [80:02]
Matt Rogers
Who could pass.
- [80:03]
Tameka D. Mallory
I remember this one.
- [80:04]
Matt Rogers
And she's in the bathroom and people are walking in to the bathroom saying, hey, are they rounding up Jewish people? I think they round up Jewish people and their people are. Just.
- [80:13]
Tameka D. Mallory
Because the women are like in there, they like doing it, getting themselves freshening up. It's a party.
- [80:19]
Matt Rogers
But this young lady, she was aware because she had been paying attention. I think because a man was a German, I think he was a German soldier and he was pretty much trying to protect her and made her aware what's going on. So when she heard that she was, she was looking around like, what? But there were so many people who were just oblivious. Like, this is not really. And then later on you see these same people in concentration camps. And I think it was to tell you how we are not really identifying the seriousness of this moment. Right? I think that people are just. And then you have these social media bots and you have people that say, oh, you people are just fear mongering. There's nothing. No, there is something going on when people can be kidnapped. When, when, when a president can sit in the White House with the president.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Of another country that commits human rights abuses.
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Matt Rogers
Human rights abuses, and then tells you, hey, we. Nobody's gonna send him back. He's not going back.
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Tameka D. Mallory
And even though the courts are saying.
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Matt Rogers
He has to come back, he's looking at like, hey, there's nothing I could do. And they just playing this game in front of the American people's face. Like, I don't care about what y' all think. Think. I don't care about this man and his family. I don't care that we sent the wrong man to a foreign country as a criminal that wasn't a criminal.
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Tameka D. Mallory
I don't care that they have improved. There's been no due process to prove.
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Matt Rogers
No level of due process. The fact that you can, you can look at somebody and say they have a tattoo and you can call them a criminal based off that is crazy to me. It's. It's just unrealistic to me. And the fact that we are not taking this serious enough and we're watching the fall of democracy, that any sense, the pseudo democracy, pseudo democracy, any sense of what democracy looks like, it's actually falling by the waistline. And there are people who are just saying, ain't nothing happening to me. It's just. It's just regular. And that's what they supposed. That's what they want you to think. They want you to think it's just regular and everything. You know, you've been sold for cheap. Today they just announced how now people are going to have to start paying back these loans and they're going to start garnishing wages, you know, because now the. The school loans.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Oh, you got some people, some of your friends that love that. They don't want nobody else to have nothing they didn't get.
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Matt Rogers
But that's crazy. You. So that means it. The. The mind state for me is that you're willing to burn down the country and burn down everything because one or two things you don't like, right, you're gonna get. You would give the reins to somebody that said, I'm gonna. I'm going to go in and slaughter everybody. Because you don't like that the pipes in the building is not good. And super. Then super didn't fix the pipes. So you said, we're gonna burn the building down. Like, it just doesn't make sense. Why would we not.
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Tameka D. Mallory
But it's not even burning the building down because they're not trying to really burn the building down. They're just trying to strip it so that they can take over the building and have a hierarchy that you might be able to live in the basement.
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Matt Rogers
I'm talking about our people.
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Tameka D. Mallory
No, I know, but I'm saying they're not even. They think that they are part of. Oh, they're burning it down. We're gonna have to recreate and rebuild. That's not what's happening. What they're doing is burning you out of your apartment. And maybe you could stay in the basement if you're willing to clean the building because they're moving in with their strategies and what they call making America great again. And I will say this, and really, you've said so much. That's so powerful, mice. So powerful. And it just makes me so proud to really see how much, like, you get it right. But a lot of times people like the bully because either they were bullied or they were. They were a bully. But that was on the college campus, maybe, or the high school, school yard maybe in elementary school. Now we're talking about a nation that you like. You attracted to Donald Trump being this bully because you feel like this is what. What makes you feel better about whoever knocked you over your head when you were a child. And this is real serious stuff. And I. I laugh all the time that black people still gonna do our boots on the ground dance. We gonna learn how to do it. I'm still trying to learn how to do it. And we, we, we, you know, we gonna still find ways to have joy. And I don't want to take that away from anybody, but it's really not funny. It's really not funny. Because those women that were in that bathroom, most of them were not Jewish. They were. They were. Most of those women were actually German. There was only probably one or two. In this particular woman, she was ended up being killed in a firing squad with her children and her German husband who tried to protect her. And so she's in there and she hears them talking, and she never reveals herself, but she knows that, oh, shit, something is happening. But those women were out there dancing and partying, and they were in the bathroom freshening up. They were in their version of the boots on the ground dance. They was in there doing one, two step. You know, we having a good time. So while everybody is saying, hey, you, are they rounding up the Jews? Are they getting ready to put people in concentration camps and kill? They said, get up on that. We in here just enjoying ourselves. And when we look around, what they do to one, they will do to the other. Because when they say they hate a group of people, they don't say it, but they show it. They don't like the immigrants. Don't you worry. It's coming around the corner for you. It's coming around the corner right now. They are not even telling you the numbers in terms of the black folks who have been fired from their federal jobs. They not even telling you the numbers. And we have been disproportionately impacted by the loss of weight work. If you don't believe me, just ask the heads of all the labor unions who are now trying to fight and sue and doing lawsuits, the legal defense fund and others who are pushing back to try to get these folks back to work. I mean, boots on the ground, if you want. And I'm not telling you not to do it because I'm a learning.
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Matt Rogers
Your ass gonna be on the ground.
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Tameka D. Mallory
But just know, just know it's gonna.
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Matt Rogers
Be some boots in your ass. In your ass.
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Tameka D. Mallory
They got it in our hair. They trying to kill us. We better pay attention.
- [86:34]
Matt Rogers
You better figure it out.
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Tameka D. Mallory
And we. And okay, let me be quiet because I was. Was about to say a conspiracy theory that might get me in trouble. But I tell you what, we better be careful what people are trading back over here from all around the world once they get mad because we don't know. We already. They. They put it. The toxins is going in our hair. And that is not something that we. I don't want to spread a conspiracy on that, but I'm just telling you, while we pissing people off, it just.
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Matt Rogers
In war, there's no way way that you can be successful when you don't have allies, when you made your allies your enemies, right? When, when people don't trust you, it's just unreal. When, when no country trusts you because you haven't proven, you have proven that you're untrustworthy, that you will say anything and do something different, right? When people see that, then there's no trust in you. So what happens is all of these people that our enemies start joining against you and they trying to figure out how do we eliminate you, you. And when they talk about you, we talking about us because we live here. So I don't know how much y' all understand where we are, the situation that we're in, but you better start paying attention.
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Tameka D. Mallory
I know that's right.
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Matt Rogers
And with that said, it's the end of another episode. We appreciate y' all. TMI is the number one podcast in the world. At TMI, show PC on YouTube at TMI underscore show on Instagram. I'm not gonna always be right. Tamika D. Marry is not gonna always be wrong, but we will both always, and I mean always, be authentic.
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Tameka D. Mallory
Peace.
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Matt Rogers
That's how we own it.
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Matt Rogers
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