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Listen to the case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's get to it. Time to do it. I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything and everybody. You know she don't lie about that, right? Lauren came in hot. Hey, y', all, what's up? It's Lauren LaRosa. And this is the latest with Lauren LaRosa. This is your deli dig on all things pop culture, entertainment news, and all of the conversations that shake the room. Baby. Back on the gr. If I'm checking In behind the scenes of the Grind, we are definitely on the roll with the conversations. I told you guys I would be bringing you more sit down conversations. I'm finally back in New York from the Finland at Sea Fitment Forward cruise that I did. And I'm not. I got rest last night. I was like. And I didn't feel guilty about it. I got rest last night. I wasn't up all night preparing for the podcast or any other thing that I do this morning. I woke up a bit earlier though. It was up at 3am Normally, you know, I get a little hour or two more. But yeah, like, I. I'm in a very centered space and I want you guys to be able to like, really experience the cruise with me. So you know where that centered space is coming from. One of the conversations that I had while on the cruise was with Crystal Renee Hazlett, you know, from Zatima. She's also done work with Tyler Perry Studios and still does, I believe. I mean, outside of just the show. But she was like styling behind the scenes at point. But you know her because she is also on Black Effect. She's one of our podcast cousins. She has the podcast. Keep it positive, sweetie. And baby, her podcast audience, I told y' all in one of the last episodes they are, they show up for her. So my low riders, we got to take a lesson out their book when we get ready to do our live sit downs. All of that is coming. Live podcasts are coming. But I wanted you guys to hear some of the conversation. So I put together a few of my favorite clips from the conversation because it was just so impactful and everybody needs a little bit of this. Let's get into it. So we talk a bit about just the journey through all of the things, figuring out life after TMZ Breakfast Club, and we just have fun with the audience. Then we had a conversation about showing up and looks and how you show up. Because Crystal Renee Hazard, let me tell y' all something about my girl, okay? She is pieces. I saw a post of her on Instagram the other day. Baby, big Bottega baddie. Okay? The Bottega, like the designer brand stuff is I don't feel like you always have to be in designer to be stylish, but y' all know I'm a fashion girly, so I do love my brands, but she puts together the pieces whether they're super design or super expensive or not. But oh my gosh, she had this bag on her Instagram the other day. So we talk a bit about it and have a little bit of fun. And we also getting. And then we also get into the whole mean girl conversation. We talk about whether these empowerment brunches and cruises, like, are they really effective or not? And of course, we talk about just everything ascension wise and things that you guys have been seeing from me over the last year. She brought up, you know, everything that has happened here on the show, including the live HR meeting that wasn't supposed to happen on air. Let's take a listen. My girl, Lauren Lorasa. Let's go. Hey, y'. All. Oh, wow. They love you. Like, hey, Lauren. Like, oh, hey guys. I love it. How are you? I'm good. I'm blessed. I'm really inspired by you. Thank you. No, they're real. This challenge, these women here are amazing. I'm serious. You know, I'm new in the podcast space. We're podcast cousins. We are podcast cousins. Yes. Black Effect podcast network. And I'm like, all these people are here and they're excited and I'm like, girl, you. You doing this. Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm just the call away. You got my number, so. Oh, I'll call you. Call me. I'll call you. I love it. Well, I'm so excited to be here. We kicked off yesterday with Monica and the karaoke, and y' all sounded so good. Y' all really did. What has been your favorite moment so far? You know what? I had a great time yesterday. Like, a real good time. Probably had too much fun, but when I was walking on the cruise, like, when we were about to, like, get through all the check ins and stuff, I was like, this is so fly. It's so many black women. And like, we just here, we about to get on this boat and just, like, do stuff that we be doing. And you know what else? Cause y' all know we be doing the things. Okay, we be doing the things, right? But that's been my favorite part, though. Just walking in and seeing all of us. And then Donye was doing a hot girl walk and y' all was singing and just I thought Keisha Cole was here. And it was just y'. All. And I'm like, yo, we really, really do be, like, so full of love. Cause you can get so wrapped up in all the other stuff, especially my job. So just seeing that has been like such. I'm like, so inspired by Heather, by you, by, like everybody that's like, here and just doing the things that we do. Yeah, there's so many women that I've Ran into that I've seen on Instagram that I follow that I'm inspired by, like, oh, my goodness. And they also cute. Everybody got like. They fly. They taller person. And they're so sweet. Like, everybody's so kind. Energy. I love it. All right, before we take a deep dive in, I'm gonna break the ice with a little rapid fire. Okay. It's gonna help us get to know you a little bit. Okay, you ready? All right. In the perfect world. Heels, sneakers or slides. Heels. Group chat. Voice note queen or I'll text you later. Energy child. My voice knows to be podcast voice notes. That is. So do they have, like, where you can actually fast, like, make speed them up now? They do. Oh, so not. They be speeding through my voice notes. I be so serious, and it be a lot happening. Then I'll come back with the. Oh, my God, I'm sorry. I got cut off in the last one, man. These whole time in the speed. I did not know that. Okay, listen, I must be a girl. Even on Instagram, I'm like, times two. Get me through it. Okay? Dolce Girl get up has been my, my, my thing. But for real, I like future a lot. I be. I put on, like, when I want to or Lil Baby. What's the one that's like, what's the song? What's the name of the song? It's. It's so many of them. But no, there's one song that I always listen to by Lil B. It'd be like, how are you gonna tell us we're never gonna look. Shoot. What is it? It's like he say something like, we don't want so like, we never gonna feel like, I don't know. I'll figure it out later. But it's this little baby song, and I play that all the time. He talked about pushing the button in the Maybach too, I think. Okay, same song. But yeah, little baby future, but Dolce Girl get up. Huh? I like that one, too. So girl get up. Dolce has been my theme song recently. And then at one part where she be like, what's the agenda when the it girl black come on. That one. That little part right there. I put it on all my songs and all of that. Cause I be feeling that, like, yeah, y' all be trying to really play with us when we out here doing it up. That's so true. That is so true. What's up, everyone? My name is Dr. J. Barnett, and I am the host of just healed with Dr. J podcast. Listen, one thing that I remember about my childhood is being able to rem remember my phone number. Because it was like the theme at that time. You got to remember your phone number in case you get somewhere and you can't get in touch with anybody. You need to be able to remember your phone number. 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Hear how they got it on the sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer. No doubt, no question of his life. And that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, a story gripped the UK evoking horror and disbelief. The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain. A nurse named Lucy Letby. Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox and in the new podcast Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong. Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you you get your podcasts. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. Our Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr have both been assassinated and black America was out of breaking point. Rioting and protest broke out on an unprecedented scale in Atlanta, Georgia. At Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King Sr. And a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Are you the friend who arrives early or fashionably late? So late. But you came early today. Fashionably early. I came early cause I was here for my last obligation. So I was like, all right, let me not go find any bars because might not make it back on time. The little baby song is called all in. There we go. All in. Yes, that song. Sorry, I had to get that out. I'm glad it came to you. All right, here we go. Something people think is glamorous about your career, but it's actually chaotic. Child. Sitting in them interviews and talking to people. Everybody's like, oh, my God, who's your favorite interview? Who's your favorite person to talk to? And I'm like, it's a blessing. It's not. I mean, maybe not chaotic, but it's just like you don't ever know what you're getting. And you come into an interview is literally especially because we. It's four of us, so it's like playing spades. It's like, yeah. So it's like, you know, you. You know what? Everybody's like rolling the room. And Jess did this video and it was so on point. You know, Charlotte's gonna go into like, the mental health stuff and like the really deep things and envy going, okay, so take us back to the beginning. Jess gonna be funny and she gonna. Asking you, like, how did that even come into your head, girl? But it'll. It gives the interview character and color. And then I come in with the, like, the news and the media stuff and like, the whatever was trending and things they probably don't want to talk about. But you just don't know what you're going to get from a person. And it can be a little nerve wracking. Even though we make it look so easy. Yes. I always am like, oh, I'm about to ask this. And when I ask this, you know what I'm saying? All right. Yeah. Oh, no. I mean, you don't have a choice. Yeah. No. Oh, my goodness. No. I still get nervous when I do interviews. Put it on your hoe. He's there. Put it on. Yes. Go, Solomon. Hurt you. Yeah. But my friend Jayvon, Jayvon James, who like, styles me and does creative direction and stuff for me, he always tells me, you saving these outfits, girl. Every day is your day. He always tells me to stop saving outfits. So I see you can't show up here. Not right. No. As soon as I saw you, I said, I approve. You see how we be doing? That's what I was talking about. Like, us doing the things we be doing. There's been a lot of woohoos this whole time since I've been here. I see you, girl. Yup. Yes. I love that. I just love us. Can we give it a hug? Oh, my goodness. I love it. Now, Lauren, you've been thriving in the media space for years, but most recently now you have this new position on the Breakfast Club that we've all listened to for years, watched as well. So I want to know when you got the news that this was actually your permanent position and you were on this show, how did you prepare mentally? Or were you already ready to walk into that space? Didn't really come like that. How did it go? Take it through there. Where are we going, Tyler? So y' all do that. All right. Okay. No, but so. So let's go back to when I first got the yes just to have. It was supposed to be one day. Remember they were doing a rotating seat. They didn't know me from a can of paint. And I was doing everything I could just to, like, get a shot at the seat. Cause I knew I wanted to quit my job. And I was like. Cause I'm. My background is in marketing. So I'm like, okay, this is a rollout. So I'm gonna quit my job and I'm gonna tell the world that I quit my job on the Breakfast Club. That's how I had it in my mind. So when I finally got the yes, the guest host, they're like, oh, we'll give you a day. Because they didn't know me. So they didn't know if I would come in there and my chemistry wouldn't work with the guys, like, whatever. And when I got the call and they were like, okay, you can do the day. Actually, you can do two days. That I was like. I was like, okay, this is the thing. All right, fast forward. We get through all the process or whatever. And I started to see the need. Like, when I was there, before there was any real conversation, I just started to feel like I could add value even if I wasn't going to be on camera. Because at that point, I think we had all knew, like, okay, Jess is going to be the third seat. And for me, I was just like, man, I gotta pay rent. I know I can add value whether I'm on camera or not. I'm open. So I started seeing, like, okay, production wise, here's like, some things that I could add to this part of the show, to this part of the show, to this, to that. And one day we were talking after the show, and Charlemagne was like, do you think we could kind of center ourselves more, like, in the news space, kind of like TMZ does? I said, 100%. And he was like, how do you think we could do it? I was like, well, you need me. And then. And then I was like, and after that, it's easy because y' all have the culture, like, working at tmz. I was there for eight years. It's like, TMZ is really great at what they do, whether you love them or hate them or love how they do it, or hey, how they do it. And they lead conversation, so they're always relevant. But the Breakfast Club is like, that's where the heart is at. Like, that's home. You know what I mean? You trust them, you want to hear from them. You care about them, you care about their lives. And when I got in that room and I saw that from the inside, because I've been a fan of the show forever, so I knew that. But being in there, I'm like, oh, this is like, really what culture is like. When people talk about the culture, I'm like, oh, this is really it. It's the fact that people come here and they feel safe and, like, the conversations are safe. They hard and tough sometimes. They're funny, but they're safe. So I was telling him, I'm like, man, there's nowhere. When you look around right now, who else can marry news? Possibly being first and leading conversation with actual culture and trust? There's nobody doing that. You Guys could be big. Like, not be. You guys are. I remember saying to him, like, do you not know who you are? Like, you're, like, on list. Like, Howard Stern could. Y' all do a tmz? Y' all could run circles with your eyes closed around a tmz. You just need to figure out what the landscape is and how you insert what you're already doing with what I know how to do. That was the first conversation we had about it. And then it took some time. I was doing a lot of things for, like, no money. Like, for a long time. Probably for, like, months and months and months. And to be honest, I didn't even start getting paid until I came to, like, when Jess went on maternity leave. That is what made it, like, a real thing. Not because she wasn't there, but because she said, hey, Lauren can come in and let her come in here. Because they were trying to figure out what they were going to do. Up until that point, we were trying to figure out how we want to be able to be paid to be behind the scenes, because money was just like, you know, right now, people aren't paying. People in entertainment. Teams are shrinking. So when she did that, and they were like, okay, cool. Like, let's make it a thing. They were like, well, we gotta find a way to pair. So at that point, when I came back, I was being paid finally. You know what I mean? So, like, that was like. And that was, like, a moment. Like, I remember I was in the car with my mom, and I was listening to the show, and I heard Jesse, and I was like, she talking about, yeah, yeah, when I was listening to the show. And then Charlamagne texted me and said, hey, I don't know if you'd be interested, but Justin said she would. Like, you can come in and be here while she's out, if you're open to it. And I was like, okay, cool. But I'm in the car, my mom taking her to, like, a checkup. My mom started crying. I'm like, what are you crying for? She's like, no, this is just such a good thing. Because I was trying to figure out a lot of stuff at that point. Like, I had moved into an apartment. I didn't even know I was gonna pay the rent. I didn't care, because I was like, something's gonna work itself out where I'm going to work it out. And then that happened. So that kind of like. So it's kind of. There's been so many iterations of, like, here's A job, but it didn't really happen, like, just with that one call. Right. So I hope that answered the question. No, it did, and thank you for giving us the insight on that, because you touched on so many key points. One, working for no money, being in a position where you needed the money but was willing to do it for free until they decide to pay you, showing your value. I think a lot of times we miss that moment. Like, I just want to get here and forget the steps to get you there. And I want to say something, too. Like, when people talk about, like, doing things for free, it's like, okay, I'm gonna do it until they pay me. I didn't think that I was going to be paid. I didn't think I was going to have a job there. Like, I knew that they didn't have at the time. From what I was being told, there just wasn't a role for me. They hired what they had already needed. I was like, this is the best of the best. And if I can come in here every day and learn and be around this until whatever else happens, I'm gonna do that. As long as y' all tell me I'm cool to come, I'm gonna come. I didn't do it thinking, like, oh, eventually one day they gonna pay me. I'm get a job. I'm like, yo, I'm literally sitting with the best in the industry I want to be in. Y' all think I'm not gonna come in here every day and ask questions. You know what I mean? I'm just grateful to be in a space of learning. Yes. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. The FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal. Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the US Government is onto him, but the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast? I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question of his life. And that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, a story gripped the UK evoking horror and disbelief. The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child Killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby. Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong. Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 1969. Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis, and at Morehouse College, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the board of trustees, including Martin Luther King Senior. It's the true story of protest and rebellion in black American history that you'll never forget. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. Listen to the a building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What do you do when the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me, is where culture meets the soul, a place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of life, celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folk. And we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss that changes you. Purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down. Faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if you can hear me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, okay, I'll just preface this conversation with saying that I get asked about this a lot and I don't ever mind talking about it because I feel like all of y' all that watched it were able to learn something from it and be able to see yourself in it. And that's why I never mind talking about it. Even though me and Jess are, in a way, different spaces for sure. So I'll say that first, we love her too. Of course we do. But, you know, I think if I'm being real, it was like I understood. Like, I was able to sit that day and have the conversation the way that we did. And even throughout the process, the little moments was happening. It was going viral, and I was like, you know, acting like I didn't know what was happening. I was having. For me, it was like, if I were in her place, how would I feel? And I'd actually been in her place, not to that extent. When my mom got sick when I was working at tmz, my mom was battling cancer. She's good now. But when I. Thank you. But when I was working at tmz, I remember I had to take leave from work to be with my mom. I got to provocate, even think day to day. Like, literally. So I was like, yo, I'm like, trying to Skype in tmz, live in the hospital and all that. And I'm like, I can't do it anymore. Like, I'm not myself right now. I need to just be with her and go through this. They hired another girl. They hired another black girl. Not only did they hire her, they sat her right where I would sit, and they would give her all. And, you know, they right as hell. So they. They don't even. Like, they, like. Because, you know, like, white people that, like, be around black people, and it's like the white. White people, they're like, like, yeah. So they're very. Like, sometimes they can. I think people in those spaces can be kind of tone deaf to what they're doing, image wise. Right? So you have people that are really upset. Call me, like, why would they sit her? Like, they just popped one black girl out, popped another one in, right? And it was causing, like, she was there and she was being put in positions to do things. Things and like, whatever. And she wasn't comfortable. But I had already talked to her a bit before I stepped out, so we had a little bit of a rapport. But I remember the fans of the show, they were making it at tnt. They were making it such a thing with me and her. Her name is Cashe McLay. She works in Indianapolis now, Tennessee. She's somewhere now. She's a Beyonce reporter for USA Today, though she's doing very well after TMZ. But I remember reaching out to her and just being like, look, even when I come back into my. My role or if I don't ever come back, I want you to understand that, like, I have no issue with. Business is business you know what I'm saying? And I know it's not you. I know that there are things happening around you that you might not be aware of. Even if you're aware, there's nothing you can do. You're just showing up every day to work. So fast forward into the Breakfast Club situation. I'm like, okay, God, now I see why you had me in that situation a few years ago. Because now I'm able to be here and be like, okay, you're showing up every day to work. You're not really in control of what's happening, but you can't act like you don't know what's happening. Right? So I had to have a certain empathy for Jess and just understanding that, like, that was also my first time being that up close and pregnant. Not. Not pregnant. Not yet. Back in. No, not yet. No, that was my first time being that up close and personal with someone who was pregnant and then just recently had a baby. And going back, I never experienced that. That close. So I'm like, oh, like, when people talk about all of the things that happen, like, I'm like, oh, that's a real thing. And I'm watching it happen. So as a woman, I'm like, bro, it's no way that even though I know she's upset and she don't want me here right now, if I can step in, she's having a tough day. If I can step in. And she says it to this day like, you were so hard to be mad. Cause you were coming every day so refreshed. And I'm like, well, one of us had to. Because, like, I knew that it wasn't us personally. And I knew that I wasn't her problem. I was actually her partner in that. But she just wasn't at the place where that was something she wanted to. You know what I mean? And I couldn't force that. And I also felt like, too. Like it was above us. I just was getting the brunt of it. Because I was a physical representation of what. What needed to happen from a bigger standpoint, way above our behavior. That wasn't happening. So as I took all that into mind, you know, when everything happened, I was just like, look, I'm not going to win in this by making this a me versus you thing. So what I can do is, like, I have to come in here and be honest about how I felt. Because, I mean, the world is seeing it. There's nothing I can do now. And everything's out there on the table. So, you know, let's do it. But for me, it was important that in doing that, it was like, this is how I feel, and this is why I want. Oh, sorry. This is how I feel, and this is why I don't f with it. But, like, at the end of the day, that's why I go to the bar before this. Yep. But at the end of the day, I was. There's going to be other women that are going to go through some real tough times with somebody else. And even if we walk away from this not liking each other at all, and it's not that, but in my mind, I was like, even if that's the case, if we never decide to be friends in real life, I want to show people that, like, you can have an issue, but, like, we don't have to allow it to, like, you know what I mean? Like, at the end of the day, you gonna go through some things that only. Only I will understand. I'm gonna go through something that only you will understand because we're. We're both here in this space. We look like each other. We both, like. I remember sitting down and talking to her the first time we met in real life, and she was telling me, ooh, just like me. And I'm like, yeah, girl, just because I be reporting doesn't mean she like, oh, so you really from around? Yes. Like, but I think that women don't get to see that often because normally it is only room for one of us. So y' all not care in real life? See, like, okay, the conversation I'm really doing for one of us, it's there, but it's like, how long are we gonna sit in that? Like. Cause for real. For real, what Jess does and what she's great at is what she does and what she's great at. What I do and what I'm great at is what I do and what I'm great at. And when you marry the two, and people have began to see that, like, now we have the comedic relief. We have the news, we have the mental health. We have the issue. Like, we all bring this big, you know, mixture into the pot, and it. And it works. But in real life, I was like, man, I worked really hard to get here. I can't let this situation control and change everything I worked for. It cannot. Like, I have so many other places to go. I love that. Thank you for that. And I think so many women can say something. A lot of things in what you just said, but I love how you showed we can have conflict resolution there's going to be conflicts. It's inevitable. But there's a way that we can. And then you realize we're actually more alike than not. And a lot of times I think people that we have situations with, the conflicts with, once we actually sit down with that person, we see so many different similarities. And we're like, wow, I actually see myself in you. And you know what else too? Coming on this cruise, I was like, man, I know Heather. So I know it's going to be like real. Cuz sometimes you come to these faith and everything is like, oh my God, I'm in apartment. We're all in white. And it's like not even hiding. It's for real. If I walk past you on the street, you know what I mean? But being here in this space and cuz I know Heather and what she be on, I'm like, no, she going to curate this where it's like, if that is your personality, she going to break you down before we get back to where we going on Monday, right? And that's why we decided to come here. But that was my, my energy too with that. I'm like, yo, we can do all the other. The mean girl stuff and all of that, but at the end of the day, it's like, we got to learn that, like, it's us or it's nothing. They cutting platforms, they taking black people out of media. They. They're shutting our voices down. They don't want people like me and Jess. People got mad at me because I said, I love the fact that you got two. We real black girls, like, and not because of our skin tone, because light skin, dark skin. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about, like, we really, from around, we talk how we talk. We come from certain things. We eat certain things. Our nails, our hair, our lashes, the edges is laid like we doing all of that on this mainstream media platform and you don't see that. So imagine if, like we're showing that and now you see it more. And so now we don't all got to be in white smiling and don't really care for each other. We know how to work it with us. Exactly. I don't know why. It's the white. It's so white. It's so white. The white got y'. All. Cause y' all know what I'm talking about. Maybe hookah there and grits and shrimp and y' all know exactly what I'm talking about. You actually funny too. That is so good. At the end of the day. I always tell you guys, y' all could be anywhere with anybody my low riders having this conversation. But y' all choose to be right here with me and I appreciate you guys for that. I hope you guys have enjoyed this episode. Make sure you check out Crystal's podcast again. She is also on the Black Effect Podcast Network. It's called Keep It Positive, Sweetie. 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