Chapel Roan (6:02)

I'm just gonna tell my half of the story of what happened today with a mother and child who were involved with a security guard who is not my personal security. I didn't even see. I didn't even see a woman and a child. Like, I did not. No one came up to me. No one bothered me.

Brett Cooper (6:25)

This is my favorite part of the video. She didn't see them. Nobody came up to her. And yet this happened. Allegedly. She didn't see anybody. There was no harassment. That happened. All right, I'll let her continue.

Chapel Roan (6:34)

I did not ask the security guard to go up and talk to this mother and child. I did not. They did not come up to me. They weren't doing anything. It's unfair for security to just assume someone doesn't have good intentions. I do not hate people who are fans of my music. I do not hate children. Like, that is crazy. I'm sorry to the mother and child that. That someone was assuming something, that you would do something, and that if you felt uncomfortable. That makes me really sad. You did not deserve that.

Brett Cooper (7:08)

Okay. Like, that. That makes me really sad that somebody would assume you of something. And she makes me really sad. I mean, Chapel, even if I wanted to, I really don't think I would believe that you were being genuine here. She's not looking at the camera. It's all so passive. And you might go like, okay, well, Brett, she said she didn't do anything. She said it's not her security guard. Okay, well, there are two points that we need to discuss. Number one, Chapel's track record, which we will get to. And number two, the mother of the girl who also decided to speak out, and she made her own video. Now, we are not going to watch the entire thing because it is almost seven minutes long, but here are a couple of clips.

Mother of the Child (7:39)

A lot of people ask me, like, what actually happened and everything else. And I know that Chappelle has responded saying that it wasn't. That she didn't. It wasn't her security and that she didn't do it. So 100%, this security guard was not a security guard of the hotel. That's what I can say. He looks after artists. So I don't know if it was her personal security guard, but he was with her, so that's. That is all I know. Do. Did she send him to do it again? I don't know. I did try and explain to him the situation that she's a child and she was just very excited to see her an artist and singer that she admires and. And can he not understand that's all she was doing? And I explained to him also that my husband is also very well known and that we're very. She's very used to being around people that are well known, and she would never cross someone's boundaries or overstep a mark. She very much knows the limits not to ever, you know.

Brett Cooper (8:41)

Yeah.

Mother of the Child (8:42)

Be rude or make anyone feel. She understands. She understands very well, and I tried to explain this to him and then he just kept saying, well, if you, you, if, if that's the case, then you should know better. You should know how it is. You should know how it is. So you should teach your. You should teach her to be better. You shouldn't allow her to be like this. And I was, I was shocked. And I did actually say to him at the time, I said, well, if this the case that she doesn't even want people to look at her, she is very welcome to eat breakfast in her room because this here is a public area and I am a paying guest as well as her.

Brett Cooper (9:16)

Okay, pausing here because a few things to say. Number one, obviously this is definitely a he said, she said situation. We will get there, obviously. But number two, I do think that this girl's mother made an excellent point about the world that her daughter has grown up in. You know, the mother that you saw here, she is a singer songwriter, her stepfather has millions upon millions upon millions of fans, is apparently one of the best midfielders in the world. If only I knew what that actually meant. That's just what I read on Google. And then, guys, her father, her biological father, guess who her father is. Jude Law. This is not a child that is screeching and freaking out overseas being a celebrity or doesn't know etiquette when dealing with somebody who is well known or famous. And the last point I'll make here is that I just loved what she said at the end there because if this actually did happen in the way that they perceived it with Chapel and it being her security guard, I mean, if a child walking by and noticing Chapel is threatening enough for her to send her security guard, or if she has in the past set that kind of precedent so that her team automatically does this without her direction, then maybe, maybe you shouldn't be eating in a public place. Maybe you should stay up in your room, order room service, get some sleep, hopefully on your Helix mattress. Because Chapel is. That might make you feel better. Now, as you guys know, I am obsessed with my Helix mattress. I think I said it last time too. But the only person who might love it more than me is my child. My baby. And so if Helix ever makes crib mattresses, maybe then we will finally stop co sleeping. Maybe then he will actually sleep in his crib. But anyway, Helix Sleep makes premium mattresses and bedding customized to fit your personal needs. And there are different options for side stomach and back sleepers, and they conveniently ship right to your door. The helix lineup offers 20 plus unique mattresses to choose from, a variety of mattress toppers and ways to upgrade your mattress with things like premium cooling options. Helix truly for just about everyone and you can take their quiz online to really find your perfect fit. Plus, Helix is the most awarded mattress brand out there and the Happy with Helix guarantee offers a risk free customer first experience designed to ensure that you are totally and completely satisfied with your new mattress. But I'm telling you, I think you will be because mine has been life changing. So if you are ready to make the switch, head on over to helixsleep.com Brett for 20% off site wide Exclusive for listeners and viewers of the Brett cooper show. Again that is helixsleep.com Brett for 20% off site wide make sure you enter our show name after checkout so that they know we sleep.com Brett now obviously what are you gonna do before you fall into your glorious new mattress? Well obviously you are going to pray with Hallow. Now, Easter is rapidly approaching and if you feel like you have not really made the most of this Lenten season, I want you to know that Hallow's program lent pray 40 the return is still going strong and you are welcome to join in. Right now it is a 40 day prayer journey to Easter featuring voices like Jonathan Roumie and Mark Wahlberg, Father Mike Schmitz, who is my favorite sister, Miriam James, Chris, Princess Pratt, and so many more. It is centered on the parable of the prodigal son and it reminds us that we are never too far gone, which is a great message. If you are just now hearing about this, what a perfect time to join. It is never too late. You will find daily prayer and meditations, Friday fasts, honest conversations and powerful Sunday homilies. And so if you are done carrying the weight this season, if you are ready to come home, Pray 40 the Return is waiting for you on Hallow. Get three months free@halloween.com Cooper Again, that's Hallow.com Cooper to get three months free and join Pray 40 the My Day

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Brett Cooper (13:09)

Return. Now back to the story. Yes, sleeping on a Helix mattress might help her wake up on the right side of the bed. But also, maybe Chapel Roan just shouldn't be famous. Because guess what? What we're dealing with here is kind of the name of the game. And across the board, Chapel's entire MO Just seems to be fighting that on every single level. I mean, she's constantly acting like being rich and successful and famous is some kind of oppression, and she has a right not to be watched and looked at, even though she makes millions of dollars singing her silly little songs and dancing on a stage. Somebody commented and said some people aren't meant to be celebrities, and that's okay. Chapel Roan wants a list, celebrity privileges and money without any of the drawbacks, and it just doesn't work that way. A trade off with fame is dealing with paparazzi and people wanting your picture.

Chapel Roan (13:48)

That's cut.

Brett Cooper (13:49)

Like, literally the bare minimum. You are a famous person. If you do not have that, you're not a famous person. People do not know who you are. That's literally the definition. Chapel, do you want to. Do you want to go back to Missouri? Do you want to go back to singing in parks with 10 people in a crowd? Do you want to be broke and unknown again? Because you are welcome to go back to that. You are welcome to take a step back, become unknown again. The Internet moves at the speed of light. People will forget about you and move on to the next queer pop artist in, like five minutes. You can disappear if this is too oppressive, too anxiety inducing for you. But of course, I don't think that Chapel Ron actually wants any of that. She just likes having something to be angry about. And let me tell you, Chapel Ron is always angry. All right, so sidebar here. I don't know what happened with Chapel and this photographer at the Grammys after party, but based on what I know about Chapel, he probably said, hey, Chapel, can I take your picture? And she lost it on him. Like, that must be the rude encounter they had. Because literally, the bare minimum, especially if the story with the child is true, the bare minimum sets her off. Like, guys, both of those videos are on red carpets. You've shown up Knowing that there is going to be a crowd of people yelling at you, hoping that they catch you in their lens instead of the guy standing next to them. Like, it's literally work. It's not them showing up. Showing up outside of your home. You are literally there to work. Meanwhile, Chapelroan is off on some side quest yelling shut the F up. To some person who I don't even think was speaking to her. Like, if you rewatch that video, you hear shut the F up. I think the guy was speaking to somebody else. He's not directing it at her. She whips around. Not me. Bitch, he wasn't even speaking to you. Where did that come from? Anger management classes. Go find Randy. Fine. Go join him. I think you both need it anyway. Moving on from that. Sorry I had to throw that out there, but like, this is. Again, this is not a one time thing. Just last week she went viral for this interaction with the paparazzi.

Chapel Roan (15:52)

Disregarded as a human.

Brett Cooper (15:53)

This is what it's like. So I'm just trying to go to dinner and I've asked these people several times to get away from me. Please step to the side. Step to the side.

Chapel Roan (16:00)

This person I've asked several times to.

Brett Cooper (16:02)

To go away. And they will not. They're hiding their face because they're ashamed because I've asked them. These are all the people that are

Chapel Roan (16:11)

completely disregarding all of my.

Brett Cooper (16:16)

She is being disregarded as a human being. So disregarded that the moment she takes out her phone and starts speaking and filming, everybody quiets down. So disregarded that she can safely stand there and film while her security stands around her and protects her from the three people taking pictures of her, the one person who's a scalper trying to get her autograph. Okay, so here's where I do wanna be empathetic and be fair. Because obviously having paparazzi follow you around, it certainly is not normal. I'm sure it takes a lot of getting used to. I'm sure it is not fun dealing with that every single day. But 99% of the people who are famous, who do handle it with grace. That is the difference. Like the modern paparazzi, they have a job to do. And there is a mutual benefit to all the parties involved. Publicity, relevance, all of that. But apparently our French apple doesn't see it that way. So, like, the point that I'm making here by giving all of these examples is that she has a history here. That is why people are not super quick to believe her apology or believe her series of events where it wasn't really her security guard and she didn't see anybody. Like, people are going, based on what we have seen, we don't have really believe it. Sorry, but we have seen you in action. So we're going to need something better than a half assed barely looking at the camera apology in bed. Like, at this point, normal people are catching onto the shtick. This is what chicks in the office from barstool had to say about the entire thing Chapel was trying to say. She, she's like, I didn't see this mother. I didn't see this daughter. I didn't see any of them. I was just, I just had breakfast at the hotel. No, she was like, no one bothered me. I had no issues in my head. I was like, yeah, no one bothered you because you told your security guards.

Chapel Roan (17:40)

I feel like she own security deserve

Barstool Commentator (17:43)

the benefit of the doubt at point. Saying that you have boundaries isn't like an excuse to be an to everyone.

Brett Cooper (17:48)

Yeah, that is.

Barstool Commentator (17:49)

And it's like whether she told the security, like act like this or not, the way that she acts is kind of like she is empowering her security to like go after these people. Her video apology just seemed like so disingenuous.

Brett Cooper (18:02)

That is the thing that I thought of from the beginning. Chapel might not even know that this happened. But based on the things that she's done in the past, like there's a video of her in an airport just like delicately pointing at somebody filming her and the security guard is like immediately going after them. Like, based on all of that, I would not be surprised if her team is acting without her even having to direct them because they know how seriously she takes these boundaries and how upset she gets when somebody even smiles at her, apparently. So everything that those barstool employees said, completely valid in my mind. But here's the thing. Chapelroan's stans her fans are so rabid and they are about as touchy as she is. Like, look at this comment underneath that video. This person said, oh, brother, wrap up this projectionist commentary. We get it. People hate women with firm boundaries. That man speaking is a red flag. Okay? No, people don't hate women with boundaries. They hate assholes. It is literally that simple because this is the kind of commentary that we are dealing with here. And also when I went to TikTok to see how people were reacting over there, I mean, my jaw hit the floor. I hit the motherload of Chapel Road fans. Just watch this. So she posted another week, another fake outrage against Chapel Roan y' all have lost it over accusations made by a dude you had no idea existed until yesterday. 1690 Salem is calling. All right, I'm so glad that we're all on the same page here that being held accountable for allegedly harassing a child is akin to the Salem Witch Trials. Yeah, that's super, super legit and very reasonable. Now, another guy posted this. Even if she yelled at the little girl, I wouldn't give a fuck. I don't understand why everyone's going to war for this random little girl that didn't write red wine Supernova. Sir. Maybe it's because most normal people in society who do not view children as some sort of crotch goblin understand that the general accepted social standard is to be kind and decent to children, especially when they have done nothing wrong. Again, it is genuinely very simple. Another person commented and said, I have never loved or respected chaperone more than now. A woman putting boundaries is disrespect to so many. We are truly not as woke as we thought we are. Witch hunts are ready for everyone. It doesn't matter who your parents are or how rich you are, you're not entitled. Oh my God, the boundaries. The boundaries. Our entire culture is so obsessed with themselves. Me, myself and I what serves me. I'm protecting my peace. I'm cutting off anything that's interfering with my energy and my moons and Saturn. Whatever the frick they're talking, I'm over it. You don't have to be a selfless person 24 7, but you kind of just have to have some self awareness and some basic freaking decency. That's all we're asking for. Somebody else commented and said, if you don't like Chapel Roan and you repeat the narrative of the hate campaign against her, I know you're a bad person. Because in reality, this woman has done nothing more than always set normal boundaries. You have a lot of internalized misogyny and homophobia. Okay, well, for your information, Nina, the small woman, I would say this. If anyone was rude to a child, it is 2026. Nobody cares that she's a lesbian. This is not about misogyny or homophobia. It is about the fact that allegedly sent a grown man to harass a child. That is not a normal boundary. That is over the top. That is paranoia. That is arrogance. I don't even know what it is, but it is simply not normal. And people on the Internet are not just participating in some kind of coordinated hate campaign. They care about the fact that time and time again she attacks and genuinely seems to resent the fans that gave her the success in the first place.

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Brett Cooper (22:08)

app and hates the people that are just trying to do their jobs which help keeps her relevant. She's literally biting the hand that feeds her every single day. And contrary to what her fans might say online, the paparazzi that follow her around that you saw in that video, they are nothing. They are mild and subdued and kind and decent compared to what somebody like Britney Spears dealt with back in the day. It's nothing like what Taylor Swift deals with today. It's nothing like what Justin Bieber endorsed, especially when there is allegedly a certain somebody who is behind the paparazzi who is hounding him, desperately trying to catch him in a bad light. That is not what is happening with Chapel. But regardless, somebody posted this and said celebrities such as Britney Spears and Amy Winehouse needed somebody like Chapel so badly. It's good to see a woman putting those actually horrendous people in their place. They've run too many celebrities into and now all of this is fair. That is true about the old paparazzi. But let's be real and come down to earth for a second because it is not Chapel Roan who has suddenly changed paparazzi and changed Liberty culture. And on that note, somebody replied and said, imagine thinking Chapelroan doing the most was gonna help Britney Spears. At the height of paparazzi and tabloid media, Britney had to suffer so that Chapel Roan could even complain about having just three paparazzi on her. Like thank you literally took the words right out of my mouth. The people who actually put that old paparazzi, the tabloid media in their place are people like Britney Spears, like Halle Berry and Jennifer G. Who actually both passed legislation to help protect themselves and protect the privacy of their children. They actually did something. But chaperone, taking selfies and yelling at the four people, if at all, taking pictures of you is not the same. Now, I do wanna be fair, because you might have seen this online. I wanna paint the entire picture for you because I did see a lot of comments saying, you know, she was at her wit's end. These people had been following her around in Paris. They had been harassing her. This was justified. You know, even with the little girl, she had been on edge this entire week. And then they posted these videos as evidence. Evidence for what was happening in Paris before she got to Brazil. They posted this. Just watch last yesterday. Terrible, terrible territory. She's a good lady, but she's terrible. Yes. I mean, guys, that one was dead silent. It's like she had already bullied that paparazzi. They were not gonna crack a peep in front of her. All right, but we have two more. You look amazing, Chapelle. We love you. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you, boss. Oh, Chapelle, Hello. You look beautiful. Just don't get the slippers.

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Brett Cooper (24:54)

I mean, guys, please tell me, where was the harassment? Where was this invasive? Where was it bullying? Where was it overwhelming? This is like the most mild case of paparazzi that I have ever seen. Now, in line with all of this, as both of these kind of scandals and these viral videos were going crazy, the singer Boy George, who was one of the first, first queer pop pioneer, sorry, JoJo Siwa, he came before you. He commented on this entire scandal with some advice for Chapel, and he was way nicer than how I'm feeling. I will say he said, it's probably not helpful, but I have been doing this fame thing for a while, and you learn slowly and painfully that you don't get a free pass once you turn yourself into a bird of paradise. I watched Chapel Rowan filming the paps in Paris, and I laughed because I've kicked off at them many times. The trick is to own your fame. Yes, it is annoying at times, but so is being ignored and told that you are a. Has been. Life is always now and I think Chapel looks great. But cheer up, girl the world is at your feet Stop kicking it it takes so much more time to say no to a picture or a signature Boundaries are boring Break them with the magic of kindness Break them with the magic of kindness. I also loved the line, the world is at your feet Stop kicking It Chapel Roan, you won Best New Artist at the Grammys last year. You sell out every single show. Festivals book you, and they have to move you to the main stage because of the tens of thousands of people who travel across the country or the world to see you. With all due respect, genuinely, you were a nobody 24 months ago, and now you should realize that. Have the privilege to send a security guard to allegedly go after a child that looked at you wrong. That's not somebody disregarding your humanity or whatever it was you said to the paparazzi. That is privilege and elitism point blank. Now, you might be expecting this coming from me, but obviously the first person who I thought of when I was going through the story when I read that line about, you know, the world being at your feet from Boy George, it was Taylor Swift. Because Taylor Swift. Sorry. Not to be like a fangirl or anything. Taylor Swift is hounded everywhere she goes. Who has to deal with. With thousands of fans showing up to her friends, private weddings, who pose in front of her New York City apartment, hoping to catch a glimpse of her through the window. That is what she deals with on a daily basis. And yet this is how she chooses to respond.

Taylor Swift (26:54)

I know that anytime I walk out my apartment, there is a camera on me, but I may not see it. This is so, so industry, like Hollywood centric, to talk about the different levels of paparazzi in New York. They're nice. They know I don't want to talk. They know I really don't want to hold a press conference. So they don't, like, ask me intrusive questions or try to provoke me or try to make me upset, which I really appreciate. They just take their pictures and then they say thank you and they go on their way on their bikes. There's something very honest about it. It's very, very New York of them to just do their job. We're not here to be best friends. I really don't want you to say something mean. Please, I'm just going to the grocery store. You're welcome to be across the street with your long lens. Cause, because God knows you're going to.

Brett Cooper (27:37)

It's easy for her to handle because she's chosen to make it easy. She has accepted it. She realizes that it is business and she's savvy. Like, the number one thing you should know about Taylor Swift is that she is a savvy businesswoman. She knows what she needs to do to stay relevant in the public eye. She knows the dance that she has to dance As a celebrity, she knows how to feed and be kind to the fans. That made her who she is, that literally made her into a billionaire. And when she's over it, because obviously it gets annoying sometimes, you want your privacy. She decides to not curse or chew people out, whether it is a child or somebody with the camera. She does not send her security to allegedly go after anybody. She retreats. She does not go down to have breakfast in the hotel lobby. She orders up room service. She has ways that she stays out of the public eye, that we do not see or hear about her for months. I have no idea what she's doing right now. I have no idea if she is in New York City, in Tribeca, if she is in Kansas City. She has her ways. And she does this so well, and she handles it with so much grace. Because in my opinion, at the end of the day, Taylor Swift loves what she does. And possibly more importantly, Taylor Swift loves being Taylor Swift. Just think about this clip. This is one of the most iconic Taylor Swift clips of all time, for good reason.

Taylor Swift (28:40)

I get tired a lot, but I

Brett Cooper (28:42)

never get tired of it.

Taylor Swift (28:44)

Because for me, I remember when I was a little kid and I used to sit there and think about how lucky I would be if someday people cared about the words that I wrote or how lucky I would be if someday I was just walking through the mall and saw some little girl walking by with my face on her shirt. And when you spend so much time daydreaming about things like that, when that actually happens, you don't ever complain about it. You know, it's like when I go to a restaurant, Yeah, I know that a line is probably gonna form in front of the table, but didn't I always used to wish for that? Yeah, I did. So it's like, I never want to be the girl who wanted something so bad her whole life, just wanted one thing and then gets it and complains about it. I'm not gonna be that girl.

Brett Cooper (29:30)

And you know, that clip is from God 15 years ago. And aside from that small blip in time when she was dating Joe Alwyn and he hated being famous and resented that, and she was dealing with the Kanye stuff and her reputation era, and everybody was hounding her and angry at her. She has lived that, honestly. Those are new clips that were in that video. Her walking out and seeing fans, her hugging fans at her ginormous tour, stopping and taking pictures of the people when she's leaving a restaurant. She makes this a normal practice. And obviously, yes, a lot of it is business. But again, I do think that she genuinely has gratitude and has a love for what she does and who she is. I'm thinking about her, I'm thinking about this clip and I'm like, oh my God, like chapel round. Would it kill you to have a little bit of gratitude, like just a semblance of kindness and humility towards the people who love you and the four photographers who are outside your hotel trying to keep you relevant in the media? I get it's annoying, but it's for photographers because this act that you put on it is tiresome and outside of your hardcore fandom that honestly is a little unstable and going crazy. The world sees through it. So take your half assed apology right back to Missouri. We aren't accepting it.

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