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- [00:00]
Brett Cooper
We need to talk about the conservatives on Grindr.
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Amir Odom
I don't care. I've always said this. Half this country's bisexual.
- [00:05]
Brett Cooper
My favorite story is that you got a cease and desist from Beyonce.
- [00:07]
Amir Odom
Oh, yes, I did. My hopes for young people is that they take more control of their own narrative in their life. I'm not gonna let anyone stop me from becoming the best version of myself. I know what my ancestors. My ancestors went through. I know what my papa went through. I know there's a big ass. Big ass tree out in your front yard. More than likely have my little cousin swinging from it.
- [00:29]
Brett Cooper
Amir, thanks for coming on the show.
- [00:32]
Amir Odom
It's all right. I'm so glad to be here.
- [00:34]
Brett Cooper
It's very different than my last interview. We were just saying. But that's what I kind of wanted. I wanted to shoot the shit with you. How is your YouTube channel going? You're crushing it.
- [00:42]
Amir Odom
Thank you.
- [00:42]
Brett Cooper
You're amazing.
- [00:43]
Amir Odom
Just. It's insane. We just crossed, I think, 550,000 subscribers, which is just mind blowing to me. It's unreal. I'm just so. Just grateful for the support out there and just to be able to share my opinion. And it's heard and it's respected, and it's very fun.
- [00:59]
Brett Cooper
And I love the fact that you, for people who don't know me, your story. You blew up on YouTube first, right? Like, back in 2020 for your video, like, I'm a black gay man. This is why I don't fear the police. Instagram, Instagram, Instagram. I thought that you made a viral YouTube video too.
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Amir Odom
It was all Instagram. I did make some YouTube videos, but then I just took them down because it was just. Yeah, but mainly went viral on Instagram.
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Brett Cooper
Okay. I thought that it was YouTube. And then you, like, came back to YouTube, but no, you were always huge on Instagram. That's how I found you.
- [01:23]
Amir Odom
Yeah, through Instagram. And then March of 2023, when I posted my problems with the gay community, and 3 days later, it hit 1.5 million views. Crazy 40k subs. And I have not let my foot off the gas since. It's terrifying, but, I mean, it's rewarding. It's fun.
- [01:43]
Brett Cooper
The best thing is, like, texting you. And it'll be, you know, an ungodly hour of the night, or, like, ungodly, you know, hour of the morning and you're up editing the video that you shot the night before. Or you literally do everything yourself.
- [01:55]
Amir Odom
Everything. And I have some that I can, like, go get, but I don't know. It always ends up me just doing it just late at night.
- [02:04]
Brett Cooper
What has that process been like, diving into something that you like? This wasn't a career for you. Before this, you were working in marketing.
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Amir Odom
At a mortgage company.
- [02:13]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. Yeah. It's completely different. And you've had to teach yourself all of this.
- [02:17]
Amir Odom
It's been fun because at the end of the day, I thoroughly enjoy marketing. I love the editing. I don't mind listening to myself and putting the pieces together because it's so much fun just knowing that I'm having a sort of impact on our world.
- [02:30]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
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Amir Odom
Because it is getting a little crazy out there. And in terms of sharing my views on various all topics and generational issues, but specifically black and gay issues, it's rewarding because I know that it's just being received in such a good light. I don't know. As long as I'm enjoying it, I'm always gonna have fun with it. So, like, from the editing to the scripting, to the just cutting on the camera, just talking, every little bit of it is just so much fun.
- [02:53]
Brett Cooper
I love it and I'm so proud of you. I do think since you brought up the blocking gate community, we need to talk. We need to talk about the conservatives on Grindr.
- [03:00]
Amir Odom
Oh, my God.
- [03:01]
Brett Cooper
This is an insane thing that Amir tells me about. And I was like, we finally need to sit down and talk about it. So we go to, like, you know, various events, conferences, whatever. Amir's favorite thing to do is to. Don't you like a Burner Grinder account or something?
- [03:14]
Amir Odom
Well, I got on Grindr just like, look at all the empty profiles of people, like, trying to hook up with.
- [03:17]
Brett Cooper
Other guys at these conservative events.
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Amir Odom
Everyone's gay.
- [03:21]
Brett Cooper
It's dramatic.
- [03:22]
Amir Odom
Every. I promise you, I don't care. I've always said this. Half of this country's bisexual. I don't care exposes. Everybody is bisexual. Like, I don't know how to put it. Like, no one else has that data other than gay men. Like, gay men know out there, there's lots of streets doing things on a down low. You can see that in the apps. Like, you can download any app. You can go to any rich neighborhood, any conservative town, conservative conference. It does not matter. You can go on any gay app. You're going to see blank profiles, a bunch of husbands out there just having fun on the side.
- [03:51]
Brett Cooper
Which just feeds into this whole, you know, hypocritical. I don't know why I said it that way, but the hypocritical nature of so many people in this movement, which I feel like is just on full display right now.
- [04:02]
Amir Odom
Yeah.
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Brett Cooper
And it's like people are free to do whatever they want in their life. And more power to you. You have the freedom as a consenting adult to do whatever you want with your life. But it's ridiculous to spout one thing online and then not only to espout it, but to shame people for something and then you're doing it on the down low.
- [04:18]
Amir Odom
That's the biggest frustration from. I've always said that trans women. Yeah. Trans women have more balls than conservative men.
- [04:26]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
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Amir Odom
Because at least trans women like you, they're trans women. They, you know how they feel, you know what they want, you know what they're doing. Conservative men, you have no idea what they're doing, how they really feel, their inner thoughts. Like it's all just a big mystery. And that's like. It goes into the gay topic of, you know, more people are identifying as gay. And I do think that sometimes gay can be kind of like a social contagion and it's being spread. But for my.
- [04:51]
Brett Cooper
Especially for girls. Yeah, especially for girls.
- [04:54]
Amir Odom
Like, from my perspective, it's just you're also seeing the decline of men cheating on their wives with other men. You're also seeing a decline of people just living their life in the closet. I think it is just a mix of like, some people are like just doing it for clout. I think a lot of the issue why a lot of people are becoming more gay because it's just fine to be gay.
- [05:11]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
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Amir Odom
More people are just okay just admitting that, but at least not on the conservative side because again, all these blank profiles and everybody out there just doing it. It is insane.
- [05:20]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. It's the saying one thing and doing another. Did you see the whole patriarchy Hannah scandal on X?
- [05:24]
Amir Odom
No.
- [05:25]
Brett Cooper
Okay, so this is like not the same thing, but sort of is. So there's this woman and she went by patriarchy Hannah on X. And she was a non account. A non. And she was like super trad. Had this husband, Tony. It was crazy. So, like I was going through her account and I was like, how do people believe that this is real? First of always post about how her husband was this contractor and they had bought an abandoned town somewhere in the middle of the country and they named it tonytown because her husband's name is Tony. So they would joke about tonytown and Tony had this like tiny little Twitter account. But this woman patriarch Hannah was allegedly 37 years old with 14 kids that she had adopted, homeschooled. All of them being a good sibling. Just wait, just wait. Like submitting to her husband Tony, living in Tonytown where they had like moved their whole family. She also said that she had been sex trafficked as a. Had like survived lupus, I think all of this stuff. So that's why they had adopted these 14 kids. So she would post about this all the time. She would be in Twitter spaces at like 3am and there were a few people who called out like, this is kind of odd. Yeah, like you have 14 kids and you have time to be on a Twitter space at like 3am it sounds like Elon bit odd. Yeah, somebody has time, but he's at least not spending time with any of his kids. This lady is like pretending like she's being some like homeschool. So all of this is happening. Meanwhile she's shaming other women for not being as tried as her. And not just. This was not an account that would just post things like, this is what I believe, you know, traditional marriage is. Because there are those accounts. I follow some of those. And it's like, you know, they're frolicking in the fields and their sundresses sourdough, whatever the trad aesthetic. That's fine. This woman would literally be in people's replies and quote, tweeting them, kind of like Pearl esque. But on the other side of the aisle of like literally attacking women and shaming them and saying like, you're not Christian enough, you're not biblical enough. You're like, I'm just, you're my husband must be disgusted of you. All of this stuff. And it created this whole like, veil of shame. But she had also created this entire community. She had a discord. Women would DM her and they would like become friends. And because she had said that she had been sex trafficked, all of this stuff, they would like, they would open up to her, all of this stuff. She never shared a real photo of herself. And she always, she would give people her phone number, but she would never get on FaceTime. And some people would be like, guys, again. Like I was saying, like, this is kind of weird. Like why? Like this doesn't add up. And everybody else in the trad community would be like, oh, you like, you're, you know, jealous of her because she has it all together. Anyway, finally came crashing down. This guy named Ryan Duff or Duffy, I believe on X did a whole expose on Valentine's Day exposing her. She has no kids, she's not married to Tony all fraudulent. She lives with her parents. The photos that she posted of their home was various different pictures from different Zillow listings. The one photo that she did show somebody was from another woman's Facebook page. She lives with her parents and apparently has done different forms of, like, porn. And so she. And she was, like, collecting, like, memberships from people and like, giving all of this advice. And so the entire, like, trad community on right wing Twitter, which just feels so dystopian of me to be like, even saying that this niche community on right wing Twitter broke apart. Like, all hell broke loose because they were like, how could. How could somebody be saying one thing and doing the other?
- [08:36]
Amir Odom
That's actually insane.
- [08:37]
Brett Cooper
Yes.
- [08:38]
Amir Odom
And it speaks to so much more of, like you were saying, the hypocrisy of so many people, especially not catered to the right, but a lot of people on the right who, you know, say one thing online but do another thing on the side.
- [08:50]
Brett Cooper
It's everywhere. Like, it's on the left as well. The left is hypocritical in the nation.
- [08:55]
Amir Odom
We've talked about that.
- [08:56]
Brett Cooper
And I think in attacking the left and calling out the left, we probably have ignored some of that on our own side.
- [09:02]
Amir Odom
Yeah.
- [09:02]
Brett Cooper
And so I think there's kind of a reckoning with that, which is the same thing with, like, the Ashley St. Clair Elon pregnancy, which is a whole can of worms and a lot of different topics. But people were very quick to, like, pull up her old tweets where she was saying, I want to just have, like, a husband and two kids and live on a farm and, like, talking about single motherhood and all this stuff.
- [09:18]
Amir Odom
And shaming people for, like, you know, having babies in broken homes and this, that and the third.
- [09:22]
Brett Cooper
And it's, like, unfortunate. And I feel for her because I think she's probably locked in some, like, insane deal with him and she's dealing with, like, postpartum hormones. And I'm sure that she felt, like, stuck, so she did what she had to do. But it's also like, you sort of didn't. You know what you were.
- [09:37]
Amir Odom
She wanted this. She tweeted out talking about how.
- [09:40]
Brett Cooper
Oh, my God, Yes. That she with Greg Price. She tweeted at Greg Price saying, like, I need Elon's info so I can have his baby or something like that.
- [09:47]
Amir Odom
Yes. And then he was like, oh, well, he already has, like, a woman and kids. And she's like, well, she hopped. She was like, well, he hops through women anyways, so you knew what you were getting Into. It's like I wanted to feel bad, but then I can't. Like, you're a grown woman. You knew what you were getting into. You've been. It's apparent you've been plotting this for years. Maybe it didn't turn out how she wanted. Maybe she wanted to get married, get the bag and have the kid at home.
- [10:09]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
- [10:09]
Amir Odom
I don't know why you would think that with a man with 14 children and four baby mamas. I don't know. I was telling you before how Elon is literally the quintessential African American dad. He's like, my father never came back with the milk and he's just gone. He's gone from all this children's lives. And it's so unfortunate.
- [10:27]
Brett Cooper
And the other thing is, like, if you read the second New York Post article, which first of all, everybody was saying like, don't even. Go ahead, go ahead. I know, I know.
- [10:36]
Amir Odom
I want this privacy. I am not trying to shame this woman. Really not. I'm not trying to be shade. I'm not trying to like be mean. But like, you can't sit here and say you want all this privacy, but then like, you're doing like pieces with New York Post. It doesn't make sense.
- [10:50]
Brett Cooper
That's why a lot of people were shaming her at the get go from that first post. And I was, I didn't feel that way at all. I was like, hey, if, you know, people are hounding her and she wants to get it out there, I'm sure there's a lot of pressure, especially with this guy who's like so wealthy and so powerful and is apparently like not returning any calls or doing whatever. Like, what's going on when it took a turn for me was when her PR person made a statement from his personal account. Oh, did you see that?
- [11:13]
Amir Odom
No.
- [11:14]
Brett Cooper
Like in the same like canva layout made a post from his personal account.
- [11:19]
Amir Odom
This is ghetto. It's fitting. African American family. This is. This is it.
- [11:23]
Brett Cooper
Just like it got so weird. And then immediately the New York Post thing came out. And then there was a second New York Post, one where she's like, she feels jilted from not responding. I'm like, just make the Post and just shut it down and walk away.
- [11:34]
Amir Odom
Walk away.
- [11:35]
Brett Cooper
That's the like also with like apologies, like, don't apologize for anything. Like, put out what you believe. Say what you want. Say it with your chest. And then just like walk away. No apologies.
- [11:43]
Amir Odom
Put out what you want. Say with your chest. Or like, just don't Say anything at all. Like Beyonce. She doesn't say. She doesn't say anything.
- [11:49]
Brett Cooper
Do we need to talk about Beyonce? How many country Beyonce tours are? Country?
- [11:54]
Amir Odom
Don't start. It is country enough that I haven't listened to it as much as the other albums.
- [12:00]
Brett Cooper
Okay.
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Amir Odom
How many shows am I going to this year?
- [12:02]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. Or is that what you bought? The Catboy boots you were texting me about?
- [12:05]
Amir Odom
Yeah.
- [12:05]
Brett Cooper
Are you going to wear, like, Daisy Duke shorts or are you going to wear the pants?
- [12:07]
Amir Odom
Oh, yeah. Ass with traps. You know the deal. No, not really. Just my boots and black jeans and a black shirt.
- [12:13]
Brett Cooper
How many did you go to last year?
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Amir Odom
Like, seven. Six. Six. Six shows.
- [12:17]
Brett Cooper
Okay, for people who don't know you're obsessed with Beyonce, could you give me your brief thesis for why you love Beyonce?
- [12:23]
Amir Odom
Why I love Beyonce is merely just because I grew up listening to her music. And that's it. I just grew up listening to her music. There's videotapes of me. I have to find it for you. I'm like, three years old. My mom's like, who's your wife? And I'm like, Beyonce. Like, it's just been a whole life thing. And, like, she has different songs that just mean so many different things. And I can listen to some songs that break down crying like you've seen. I just start crying listening to a lot.
- [12:46]
Brett Cooper
It's incredible. I think at some point you should have a full compilation of, like, baby Amir and then, like, you in the pit at all for concerts, like twerking, doing backflips, and then sobbing.
- [12:56]
Amir Odom
Yeah, I do do that too.
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Brett Cooper
You do. It's like a spectrum of. There's, like, lots of dancing and breakdowns and dancing.
- [13:02]
Amir Odom
This is my favorite artist. It's literally, you go in my car, it's 90. I would say 95% techno and EDM and then 5% just straight Beyonce.
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Brett Cooper
And that's it?
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Amir Odom
Yeah. I mean, that's a tattoo.
- [13:13]
Brett Cooper
Yeah, you have your lemonade tattoo. The best album, my favorite story is that you got a cease and desist from Beyonce.
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Amir Odom
Oof. Yes, I did. From Beyonce and Coachella.
- [13:23]
Brett Cooper
Because that's so impressive.
- [13:25]
Amir Odom
Long story short, ran this fan page website, and we would take her live audio performances and recreate them and make them into live albums. But she wasn't doing it, so somebody had to. It was going fine. Obviously it was going fine. But then we beat her to the punch with Homecoming, the album that's on Spotify right now. And, yeah, we made it a year before and we got hit with a Cease and desist. Like, hey, seize all operations. Like, I appreciate you being a fan, but, like, this needs to stop. And so we stopped it. And then a year later, she came out with the Identical album, which I.
- [13:58]
Brett Cooper
Feel like when you got that letter, it was like, does she know who I am?
- [14:00]
Amir Odom
Yes. I was like, okay, Ms. Carter, when.
- [14:03]
Brett Cooper
Did she call you out? At the concert last summer.
- [14:05]
Amir Odom
That was Louisville. Yeah.
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Brett Cooper
Big moment.
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Amir Odom
Sobbing, sobbing. All my friends, they've been on like 50, 60 plus shows.
- [14:12]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
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Amir Odom
So, yeah, it's my favorite artist. I just love her so much.
- [14:15]
Brett Cooper
I love it. It's like the best part of the emir lore.
- [14:19]
Amir Odom
Yeah. That and Jamal.
- [14:20]
Brett Cooper
I know you haven't brought Jamal out today. I thought you would with the Elon thing.
- [14:23]
Amir Odom
No, Jamal's gonna come out at some point.
- [14:25]
Brett Cooper
I know. Well, going back to Elon thing and the fatherlessness, the other thing that stuck out about the Ashley Sinclair was that while she was pregnant. And this makes me feel for her. But also I'm like, if you were. Because I think they were actually in a relationship. I don't think this was an ivf. Like, I think that there was based.
- [14:42]
Amir Odom
On dating and together and based on.
- [14:45]
Brett Cooper
The, like, 1 of 5 New York Post articles that, you know, came out that I read. They, like, met through Babylon Bee. The night they met, he had like slid into her DMs. They were talking. Look at that face.
- [14:55]
Amir Odom
I'm just like, ew, he's old.
- [14:57]
Brett Cooper
No offense to anybody who's in their 50s, but like sliding into a somebody. Yeah. 25 year old. DMs. 24 at the time, I think.
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Amir Odom
At your age.
- [15:06]
Brett Cooper
Yes. But I mean, have you seen. What is his name? Is my husband here? Alex. Bill Belichick. Is that his name? Belichick? That is the former coach of the Patriots. Boom. God, I know. Sports, sports. That's like the famous, like Tom Brady era coach. Have you seen. He's like 70 years old. Have you seen his girlfriend?
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Amir Odom
No. Do I want to?
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Brett Cooper
Yes. It's like a former, I think like NFL cheerleader or something like that.
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Amir Odom
She'd get in the bag. I ain't mad at it.
- [15:31]
Brett Cooper
I know. So again, it's like, it's weird thinking about. But also people go for it. This is like a tale as old as time.
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Amir Odom
Yeah. Hugh Hefner, Playboy, all that kind of stuff.
- [15:40]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. So do it. Go after your bag, whatever. Just know what you're getting into. And this is not a man that is going to prioritize a nuclear family. He's never said that. As something he prioritized. He wants to sow his seeds, so the crops.
- [15:52]
Amir Odom
That's why I can't feel bad. Because how. At least maybe with the Bill. His name Bill.
- [15:56]
Brett Cooper
I'm pulling up a picture. Don't worry.
- [15:57]
Amir Odom
The Bill dude, I don't know his backstory, but maybe that is what he wanted. Whereas with. Oh, my gosh.
- [16:04]
Brett Cooper
Yes, sir.
- [16:05]
Amir Odom
And she's bad.
- [16:06]
Brett Cooper
I know. She's like, I got that chick done.
- [16:10]
Amir Odom
And maybe with Bill probably clear that that's what he wanted.
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Brett Cooper
Yeah.
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Amir Odom
But Elon is so public facing. It was clear that you weren't gonna get a stable man.
- [16:18]
Brett Cooper
No. He's trying to repopulate Mars, obviously.
- [16:21]
Amir Odom
So I cannot feel bad.
- [16:22]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
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Amir Odom
Even you thought it was gonna be a relationship. And, like, why would you trust this man?
- [16:27]
Brett Cooper
Like, there was a whole. His first divorce, which, by the way, he married a woman, Justine Winter. She still goes by Musk. So. Justine Musk. They have five kids together. One I believe passed away at, like, two weeks old, which I think really fractured their relationship, which is really tragic story. But they were like college lovers. That was a weird way to say that. But, like, they fell in love with in college, got married. They had a very, very public divorce. She wrote an entire op ed about their divorce. And like, apparently the famous line is that she was like, crying or something, and she was like, I'm your wife. I'm not your employee. And he said, if you were my employee, I would fire you. And they got a divorce. So that's one part of it. And then Grimes, which, like, Grimes, they got married. I think they got married or they were engaged or something. There was some more commitment to him.
- [17:16]
Amir Odom
That seemed like the most stable that it was that he'd had.
- [17:18]
Brett Cooper
Yes. Or at least, like, going into it seemed so at the get go. But throughout Ashley's pregnanc, Grimes has been tweeting Elon. They've gone through this whole custody battle. She's had to deal with the same thing. Has had to publicly tweet at Elon, saying, elon, let me see my son. This is, like, not appropriate. You're not responding to any calls. Her mother got involved. Grimes mother was. Yes. On Twitter, like, you think Diane is crazy. Grimes mother was like, I'm in it.
- [17:47]
Amir Odom
This blows my mind.
- [17:48]
Brett Cooper
Like, two months before Ashley gave birth.
- [17:49]
Amir Odom
If Musk was anybody else, I feel like conservatives in the right would be, like, shaming them nonstop. Yes, None.
- [17:55]
Brett Cooper
And so that's why the response was to Ashley's post. And I understand that it was very nuanced. I'M not gonna, like, comment on something and be like. Like, this is like, you knew you were getting into whatever. And a child is a blessing regardless. And I hope that the child is healthy.
- [18:07]
Amir Odom
Well, nothing but for the best. But for that child.
- [18:09]
Brett Cooper
Yes. And I hope that everything is resolved for her sake and for the child's sake. I hope that everything is great. I hope that they get the privacy that the child deserves and that her other co, Ashley, has another child with, I think, her ex husband. So for both of those children, all I want is the best. I think that's what most people online want. But it was this weird thing where it was like, some people, it was very clear that they were just saying, hey, I'm glad you're okay. I had no idea that you were going through this. I hope you had a healthy pregnancy, you know, hope you're doing well, hope the baby's okay. Congratulations. But then there were other people who were basically just like, crawling up Elon's ass.
- [18:36]
Amir Odom
Yeah.
- [18:36]
Brett Cooper
Because they didn't want to, like, they won't criticize him. And I think that you can. You. You should be able to pull out somebody's accomplishments and say, obviously, we both drive Teslas. It's like, you are an amazing innovator. You have changed the course of mankind. Seriously. You are intimately involved in our political system in a great way. In my opinion, Doge is like the best thing that Trump is doing and has. I mean, it's like the libertarian's dream. It's like it's brought everybody together, truly. And that is incredible. But you should be able to separate that and be like, okay, those things are great. But also we can criticize him for being like, this is not traditional. This is not healthy.
- [19:12]
Amir Odom
I wish more people could do that.
- [19:14]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
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Amir Odom
Kind of separate, not so much the art from the artist, but just realize how much good Elon has done. Like, you can be upset at some of the things that he's doing in his personal life.
- [19:22]
Brett Cooper
Sure.
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Amir Odom
But it reminds me of all the leftists that are just so angry at anyone driving a Tesla, doing all these crimes to cybertrucks. But it's like, at the end of the day, you gotta get credit. Credit where credit's due.
- [19:31]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
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Amir Odom
Is Elon the best person? No. However, when it comes to, I don't know, North Carolina having no Internet, who's going in there giving them all Internet?
- [19:41]
Brett Cooper
It's amazing. It's incredible.
- [19:43]
Amir Odom
LA fires who's going in there and giving all of LA free WI fi.
- [19:47]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. He's a humanitarian on so many levels. And is, I think, in my opinion, is using science the way it should be used. I'm not a big fan. Like, the neuralink stuff freaks me out. But in terms of using the things that he has created that are moving humankind and technology forward and that he's the first person there. He always beats the government. He is incredibly, incredibly generous with what he offers for free. Like, that's incredible. And so I think it's fine. It's good to say that. But you also, because of that, you don't need to like excuse his behavior as a father or say that it's like fine. Or those like the, you know, patriarchy bros or whatever you want to call them on X who are like, this is what a real man does. This like, doesn't commit to a woman. And so's the seed.
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Amir Odom
I'm like, that is disgusting.
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Brett Cooper
They're like, it's Genghis Khan.
- [20:29]
Amir Odom
Was Genghis Khan a good person that screams you're gay. That's what that screams when you overhear like, oh, that's what a real man does. Leave with woman. Because you probably want to be with other men. Like, you're literally just.
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Brett Cooper
Is this the new theory? Is Elon gay?
- [20:41]
Amir Odom
Oof.
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Brett Cooper
That's a mirror. That's going to be my headline.
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Amir Odom
I mean, giving nights mostly to kids through ivf.
- [20:45]
Brett Cooper
But I also. There's probably more considering that. Okay. Based on the New York Post article that he wanted his name taken off the birth certificate.
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Amir Odom
Oh.
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Brett Cooper
So I think there are other ones.
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Amir Odom
I can't with this baby daddy drama. Baby daddy drama, Baby mama drama. I just wish more people just acted sane. Took care of their own lives, took care of their own mental health, took care of their families and just progressed to a better world instead of profound instead. And he says he wants to professor a better world and repopulate the earth. But how are you gonna do that having 13 kids and all these broken ass homes.
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Brett Cooper
Yeah. And money does not equate to a stable family. Money does not replace a father.
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Amir Odom
You can easily have, you know, a mom and a dad, but not a mother and father in the home.
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Brett Cooper
Yeah.
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Amir Odom
Hello.
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Brett Cooper
We turned out okay.
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Amir Odom
Yeah. We bond on our family trauma.
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- [23:28]
Amir Odom
Like a Joan Rivers, if you're familiar with her. Yes. Like a black Joan Rivers that was just like catty and messy, but, like, super popular.
- [23:35]
Brett Cooper
Yes. And her show, she always had the craziest things on it. And she all like, her favorite line was like, allegedly there are things on. Because she would say insane stuff that was like, not confirmed at all, but there.
- [23:46]
Amir Odom
You don't want to get sued.
- [23:47]
Brett Cooper
I know there are like 10 minute compilations of her on YouTube. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly.
- [23:54]
Amir Odom
Allegedly.
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Brett Cooper
So that's Wendy Williams. She was put under a conservatorship and is locked in a. It's not a rehab place. It's like a brain.
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Amir Odom
A bougie jail.
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Brett Cooper
Yes. In New York City. She has not left for over 30 days, has not seen the sun. She had this business manager, I think, and I don't remember if it was her former one or there was a new person, but somebody was making purchases from her account on her behalf. Then they were like, someone was taking.
- [24:23]
Amir Odom
The money and spending everything.
- [24:24]
Brett Cooper
Yes. And she also. Some context that my good friend Candace phoned over to me is that because she knows everything about all of this Liberty gossip somehow, was that Wendy had gone through a divorce. It was apparently, like, very traumatic. And she had kind of. Her life had evolved into drugs and alcoholism, and she was doing a lot of reckless spending. So apparently she was spending a lot. And then there was some other spending that was not accounted for.
- [24:48]
Amir Odom
Right.
- [24:48]
Brett Cooper
And Wells Fargo, with the help of this new business manager that she had been assigned to, said, this isn't normal. And they, including Wells Fargo, allegedly put her in this conservatorship because of the way that she was spending her own money.
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Amir Odom
That's the part where my little ears, like, conspiracy ears go up. I don't know how that is allegedly real. I know it's real, but I don't know how that happened. They have the power.
- [25:12]
Brett Cooper
They have the power. That's why so many conservatives have been freaked out for so long. Rightfully so. Like bank of America, you know, they.
- [25:17]
Amir Odom
Do have the power to do something.
- [25:19]
Brett Cooper
Oh, my gosh, yes. Remember the truckers in Canada? They, like, shut down the accounts.
- [25:23]
Amir Odom
See, I get that, but, like, aren't you allowed to go broke?
- [25:26]
Brett Cooper
So that's why it doesn't make sense.
- [25:27]
Amir Odom
Exactly. So I'm like, did she sign something? Was there a paper? Whether it just, like, she liked our manager.
- [25:32]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. The business control.
- [25:34]
Amir Odom
If something happens to me mentally, like, you can go ahead and, like, take care.
- [25:38]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
- [25:38]
Amir Odom
Like, I. If we're seeing so many celebrities that go broke, like, how did this one celebrity not go broke? What was signed, what was happened, what.
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Brett Cooper
Was done, and how did they get put in the conservatorship? The other thing is that allegedly, her son. Her son is apparently involved in this, and she's now called out her son.
- [25:53]
Amir Odom
Her son spending like a hundred thousand dollars on a boat.
- [25:57]
Brett Cooper
Yes.
- [25:57]
Amir Odom
And for the birthday. And.
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Brett Cooper
And that ticking off part of the Wells Fargo stuff.
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Amir Odom
Yeah, but apparently they were just together because Wendy was able to get out and go see her dad, like, 94th birthday or something.
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Brett Cooper
Yeah, but that was like, prove. That was before 30 days ago, because she said that she hadn't been outside for 30 days, but. And then the other thing Is that. I don't know if it was her PR person or, like a family member or whatever, but they leaked the story that she was in, like, a comatose state, that she was, like, mentally not there, and that she, like, Alzheimer's something, was basically dying. And all of these, like, very unflattering photos of her.
- [26:28]
Amir Odom
I do remember the weird photos and her, like, stumbling and stuff like that.
- [26:32]
Brett Cooper
Yes. And so everybody was like, oh, my gosh, Wendy. Now it makes sense what's going on. But then she popped up last week doing an interview through her bougie prison. She was on the phone with this guy, which, by the way, I would kill to do an interview like this. I just think it would be hysterical. She's standing up at the window, slapping on the window, being like, I'm in.
- [26:49]
Amir Odom
Here crying and everything.
- [26:50]
Brett Cooper
Yes. And. But then the best part of that interview, they're, like, talking about the conservatorship that she wants to get out all of this stuff. And then he asks her, like, random questions about celebrities because she hasn't been able to, like, comment on celebrities in so long. And he asks her about JLo and she just basically, for like. Like 30 seconds, just goes so hard on JLO for all of her awful marriages.
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Amir Odom
That sounds like something Wendy would do.
- [27:08]
Brett Cooper
I know, it's great. So she's back. So she's. I listened to that and I was like, oh, she's all there. She's like, crazy as usual.
- [27:13]
Amir Odom
Like, Wendy, she's a queen of just throwing shade. I mean, hence, allegedly.
- [27:17]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
- [27:17]
Amir Odom
The queen of throwing shade. The queen of being messy. I used to watch her a little bit because it'd always be on, like when I come home from school now, seeing the conservatorship and stuff, all this stuff like that. It is concerning because one half is like, how did that happen? Other half is like, how do I make sure that doesn't happen to me?
- [27:31]
Brett Cooper
And so, yes, in so many of those conservatorships, it seems like they go in one way and exit another. Britney Spears. Britney had issues beforehand. Never really came back from the shaved head.
- [27:43]
Amir Odom
No.
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Brett Cooper
But part of the conservatorship, there's a difference between a guardianship and a conservatorship. I would know this, unfortunately, due to my family and the fact that I'm involved in a guardianship. Not mine. I am somebody's. But with a guardianship, you can't make somebody. You can't force somebody to take meds. You can't force them to do, you know, any kind of medical treatment. You are just there to be a support system. You can have access to their medical records. If they are an adult, you're there to basically, like, provide the safe boundaries that they need.
- [28:12]
Amir Odom
Like a godparent.
- [28:13]
Brett Cooper
Yes.
- [28:14]
Amir Odom
But, like, legally.
- [28:14]
Brett Cooper
Yes.
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Amir Odom
Like, make sure they're good, they're safe to go.
- [28:17]
Brett Cooper
Like, yeah. If they need things, doctors call you, whatever. You can advise and you can, like, push. And if you need to, like, push the state to make things happen, you can. But you don't have full authority over this individual's life. With a conservatorship, they can make Wendy take drugs. They can say, yes. They're like, you cannot leave this facility. We will medicate you like this with Britney Spears. That's why there's this huge conspiracy, which feels real to me, that she was medicated to the point of, like, no return. The antipsychotics, like, they will ruin your body.
- [28:44]
Amir Odom
It seems like a conspiracy, but just go on her Instagram.
- [28:48]
Brett Cooper
And then there's this whole argument of, like, should she have been like, there's a lot of people, especially on the right, who were very against Britney getting out of her conservatorship. And they were like, so many things happen after the fact. But it was like, was that because she got out?
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Amir Odom
Yes.
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Brett Cooper
It's just crazy.
- [29:02]
Amir Odom
Yeah.
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Brett Cooper
I don't think many people know the effects of antipsychotics. I mean, it is, like, the most intense drugs, and why would they. But it's like, the most intense drug that you can take. I've watched my brother was tweeting about this recently because a lot of people were talking about SSRIs. You know, RFK Jr. Wants to expose SSRIs, wants to do exercise on them, which I think is very, very healthy. And antipsychotics are, like, a step up, obviously, from that huge leap up. It's a very difficult thing to watch when somebody relies on those meds, but you know how disastrous they can be. Like, my brother has had, like, full body paralysis from these meds. He has lost the ability to, like, speak and write and whatever because of the side effects. I mean, it's like, in every single one.
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Amir Odom
Not even just that, but you add on all those layers of all the side effects and what the drugs can do, but, like, not leaving the house and, like, being in a jail.
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Brett Cooper
Yeah.
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Amir Odom
That alone. Covid. Hello? Yeah, Covid. Drove so many people crazy being stuck at home. Okay, now compound that with all the drugs, you're bad.
- [29:59]
Brett Cooper
And usually. And it's very rare that you only take Antipsychotics, usually it is a cocktail of other things.
- [30:03]
Amir Odom
Oh, cocktail. And it's just 10 to 20 pills.
- [30:06]
Brett Cooper
And there are no lifestyle changes. That was something I was talking with Alex about.
- [30:10]
Amir Odom
That's the thing that frustrates me with the whole antidepressants, SSRIs. It's like, you shouldn't be taking that as, okay, this is what's gonna fix me forever. You should be doing. If you are on that, it simply should be taking those. But in conjunction of, like, changing your lifestyle habits.
- [30:25]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. And that should be the medical industry's responsibility to encourage that. And I think that's the main point of what RFK is doing in regards to SSRIs is like, this should not be step one. There should be other conversations that happen prior to that about your lifestyle, about the things that you're doing.
- [30:41]
Amir Odom
It's covering a symptom.
- [30:42]
Brett Cooper
Yeah, exactly.
- [30:43]
Amir Odom
Someone takes tums for heartburn instead of figuring out what's giving them heartburn.
- [30:46]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. I mean, you see videos of women after they give birth in hospitals and, like, the food that they're given, which is disgusting. And I think about the food. You know, my brother. I don't know if I. I think I talked about this recently on a live. Somebody had asked me about Reid, that's my brother. And I was talking about him because he had been in the hospital for three years straight, and part of it was, like, on the tail end of COVID and he. So we couldn't see him and we didn't have access to him, but, like, thinking about the foods that he ate and, like, there were no lifestyle changes. He was in a hospital for three years with these incredibly, incredibly high powered drugs with awful side effects and no lifestyle changes. And now that he's out, it's like.
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Amir Odom
And that hospital food does not look the most nutritious.
- [31:31]
Brett Cooper
No. Well, it's not. It's like, I look at it, I'm like, you spent three years and nothing changed. It was like, that was prime opportunity in a confined. And I hate saying that, but a confined, controlled environment of like, this would be a great opportunity to encourage change, Almost force it in a way, because you're there.
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Amir Odom
Might as well.
- [31:50]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. And it's just a missed opportunity for sure. Okay. Talking about insane families, though, I need to go back to Elon Musk for a second. Do you know about his dad?
- [31:58]
Amir Odom
No.
- [31:59]
Brett Cooper
His mother is very cool. Maye Musk?
- [32:01]
Amir Odom
Yes.
- [32:01]
Brett Cooper
He's former model. Fantastic. Very supportive of him. Beautiful. Seems very supportive of all the baby mamas. Like Siobhan, who's the most recent? Actually, not most recent because of Ashley, but like second to last. Yes. Like, she posts pictures of the kids and May is like, oh, so sweet. Whatever. Like my angels. Whatever. So that's cute. The dad. So he and May get a divorce, marries another woman who has a daughter named Jana. I believe that's how you pronounce it. He gets in a relationship with his former stepdaughter. They have two children together. Elon Musk. Yes.
- [32:36]
Amir Odom
Who has children with who?
- [32:37]
Brett Cooper
Elon Musk's father has two children with his stepdaughter. And he's a South. He's a South African politician. It makes sense when you put it all together. Like this man was never.
- [32:49]
Amir Odom
Did they get married and stuff?
- [32:50]
Brett Cooper
I actually don't know. Should I look it up?
- [32:52]
Amir Odom
Like, is this like a whole. Like, this sounds nasty.
- [32:55]
Brett Cooper
It is like Woody. Woody Allen.
- [32:58]
Amir Odom
Why can't people just. Just leave other people alone?
- [33:01]
Brett Cooper
Well, they are leaving each other. They're keeping in the family.
- [33:05]
Amir Odom
What, in the 1500s. I'm so over this. And all these.
- [33:08]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. He was 45 and oh, oh my gosh. Wait, no, this is even crazier. He was 45. He married 25 year old Heidi, raised her daughter Jana from the age of four.
- [33:21]
Amir Odom
That's what I was thinking.
- [33:22]
Brett Cooper
Raised it. And then in 2012, in 2014, reconnected years later.
- [33:28]
Amir Odom
Oh no.
- [33:29]
Brett Cooper
And sparked a romantic relationship after he helped her, quote, get over a breakup.
- [33:33]
Amir Odom
No. This is the case for the FBI.
- [33:34]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. Errol Musk raised Jana Bezedenhout from the age of four.
- [33:40]
Amir Odom
You know what it's like.
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Brett Cooper
Don't. So now my. I mean, I think I already had this opinion. Looking at Elon Musk, it's like if you're getting asked out by him, if he's saying I want to, like, apparently he like slides into girls DMs and it's like, want to have a kid? Like, want to help me? Want to revive you? Like, you know that you're not getting the king of the nuclear family, not an engaged father, scale back even more. The evidence is all there.
- [34:01]
Amir Odom
What pisses me off is that by all means, like, you can have your own viewpoints, whatever. Like we treat each other with respect, it's fine. But there's so many people that find issue with me being a gay male that's literally minding my business with my husband, my dog, working, traveling, not bothering anybody. And straight people are out to here wilding, acting off, fool, having 13 kids, five baby mamas, repopulating the earth, creating broken homes. It's like, why am I the issue? I'm not bothering anybody. I'm not doing anything to nobody. I'm minding my. Are some gays a problem? Yes. We'll get into that. The whole, like, lgbt.
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Brett Cooper
That's why it's not about the sexuality. It is about the individual and the insane choices they make across the board. We should be able to say, this is insane behavior. This is unhealthy, this is inappropriate. Don't do that around kids. A lot of straight choices just call.
- [34:51]
Amir Odom
Out the insane behavior to get on me just for being a gay male. It's, like, actually wild when these sheer amount of straights acting up a plum fool.
- [34:58]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
- [34:58]
Amir Odom
I'm sorry. It's just, it.
- [34:59]
Brett Cooper
Well, I feel like you also end up in a unique position and you can talk about this of, like, you know, you are a gay conservative, and there are a lot of conservatives who do not, you know, respect you and your lifestyle choices, whatever you're doing, even though you are minding your own business, doing you, doing your husband. Sorry. But you also don't identify with lgbtq.
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Amir Odom
No.
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Brett Cooper
Because they're also insane.
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Amir Odom
They're insane. And I remember when I almost came out the closet, when I was outed out the closet and after sent to conversion therapy, the whole nine, I flew out the closet. Like, I thought I had to be what I was saying, what gay was on TV and what I thought it was supposed to be like, I have to don't like Grindr. I have to, like, love all the drag queens and act super flamboyant this, that, and the third, when it's okay to just be yourself. Now there's so many other gay people out there who don't realize that they can just. Just exist like a straight person. You can just be yourself and it's fine. And it's frustrating now where you were seeing the rise of people just, like, not caring about gay people. And now, like, the hate is going up because of the TQ plus and it just tacked on to the whole LGBTQ plus community. And now hearing everybody a bad rap, being tagged along with, like, all these, like, trans kids and drag queens in schools. I have nothing to do with that. Nothing at all. I'm minding my business. A lot of gays are. A lot of the lgbt, which is sexuality, and then a tq, which is identity. You're telling me they're separate, then separate them. Why am I being tagged along about this? And it is interesting being, like, having my viewpoints, but also Being gay. And then at the end of the day, I'm always pissing off somebody.
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Brett Cooper
Which is why you're so great, because you don't care. And the other thing that's wonderful about you and your content is that regardless of the hate that you get, you always approach things and you've been a great influence on me. And I think you're always somebody who I like go back to and I like tap into that. Because you are kind of lodged in the middle of all of this stuff is that you approach everything with genuine empathy and looking to understand rather than change minds.
- [36:57]
Amir Odom
Yeah, that's my biggest thing, is I want to make sure I'm meeting people where they're at. I'm not gonna act like I wasn't there. I'm not gonna act like I wasn't in the streets marching with blm crying. As delusional as that was like, I get it out there crying. I thought my life was a danger. Being a black male. My anxiety was at all time high because I really thought I was going to get shot and killed by police. I'm more likely to get struck by lightning than shot by a cop. And like, in terms of being gay, like, I always thought that I had to be the stereotype with being gay. It's sure, I may still have my lisp and my hands fly, my limp is wrists flying everywhere. I get it. But you don't have to jump into this whole, like, gay community. And I don't care what hate is, throw my way. I'm always keeping in mind that we are in a better place. And there's so many people that act like we're not. And it's so frustrating on both ends. From the hot button issues in America, black and gay, on the black side of things. It's like I know what my answers my ancestors went through. I know what my papa went through. I know there's a big ass, big ass tree out in your front yard. More than likely have Michael little cousin swinging from it. Let's be real. I'm not living in that life right now. I'm just. I'm genuinely not. There's so many bones underneath us of like my ancestors out here on this plantation. And to think that I'm going to sit here and bitch and moan about how bad America is and how racist it is, that's so disrespectful to them. When I'm their dream. I get paid to talk to a fucking camera. They couldn't even speak. Like that's ludicrous. And then on the flip side of being gay, my uncle died in the AIDS epidemic in the 80s. Like, he went through all that horrible stuff. You couldn't even be out. And that's why I say, yeah, being gay is rising. But also, I'm not getting killed for being gay. And that was a thing back then. Like, that was a thing of, like, gay people actually marrying lesbians. And they were living their separate lives, but they were a straight couple together.
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Brett Cooper
Yeah, no, those are coming back.
- [38:47]
Amir Odom
I mean, we. I'm.
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Brett Cooper
That's like a whole. There was this couple that went viral like two months ago, and it's this gay man and a lesbian woman. And they're like, yeah, we're getting married. And they are. They said they're soulmates, but they're also attracted to each other.
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Amir Odom
I see how I'm making a video now, reacting to Michael Knowles and being surrounded by the lgbtq. And he said that if you are gay, maybe you still should get married. Like, no. But yeah, I'm always just gonna keep. Keep it being real and keep being like, coming from a place of empathy. Cause I was once there. I get it. It's frustrating. But it's also frustrating to know the sheer amount of pain and turmoil that people who literally me, black and gay, went through and act like I'm still going through all that heart and crime. It's just not happening.
- [39:36]
Brett Cooper
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Amir Odom
I think it's a lack of confidence and also wanting to join the club because I feel like every generation has their own thing.
- [41:07]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
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Amir Odom
Like the goth, the emo scene, like the MySpace scene. Like in 2006. 7. Now we're seeing like, like being non binary and pansexual. And it's like, it's like a, a club almost.
- [41:20]
Brett Cooper
People put on these identities. Like it's a costume.
- [41:22]
Amir Odom
Yeah. Literally.
- [41:23]
Brett Cooper
Well, they like a lot of people. Literally.
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Amir Odom
And it's like you. You immediately join. You immediately get to be a minority immediately.
- [41:31]
Brett Cooper
It's special.
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Amir Odom
Yeah, it's special. I'm part of a club. I'm.
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Brett Cooper
But I do wonder if that comes from a place of. I just did a whole episode about like Gen Z loneliness. And millennials and Gen Zs are especially. Gen Z are historically isolated, historically lonely. And every generation has been lonely. But it's like with COVID with the insurgents of technology and the fact that we were literally raised online. It's just very different. And all of our social norms are completely disrupted by this like technological.
- [41:58]
Amir Odom
It's totally being revolution when you find your group community. It's lgbt. I just said it. LGBTQ community.
- [42:06]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
- [42:06]
Amir Odom
And people want to join that and be a part of a community because they're so lonely. And that's why so many people. Diving to the non binary is the easiest thing to do without doing anything. You can be non binary and still be a straight woman.
- [42:18]
Brett Cooper
Except I have a friend, old friend of mine from la who went so far as to get top surgery, left bottom microdose testosterone to physically be. This is hard. I know. And it's just like heartbreaking at that point.
- [42:31]
Amir Odom
That's where like I do understand, like body dysmorphia is real.
- [42:35]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
- [42:35]
Amir Odom
But how common it's becoming is very concerning. Especially with the rise of people detransitioning.
- [42:41]
Brett Cooper
Yes. And with it being the immediate solution, rather than going back to the SSRIs of like, it's the band aid solution, but it is a band aid solution. You can't come back from gender affirming therapy.
- [42:52]
Amir Odom
That's crazy affirming.
- [42:55]
Brett Cooper
What's the point of therapy?
- [42:56]
Amir Odom
To talk through something. You're not talking through anything. You're guiding me down. How do you affirm gen like that doesn't.
- [43:02]
Brett Cooper
That sounds crazy because up until just a couple of years ago, this was in the DDSM as a psychological condition is something that you would work through, obviously. Because if you are like 20 years ago, if somebody came into a therapist's office and said, I want to cut off my body parts, I want to cut off my dingalong and my boobs and whatever, that would be like, oh my gosh, let's handle this and let's figure out what is the root cause here and let's help you, because that's not healthy. Nor is that, you know, you can't have a fulfilled, good, healthy life if you're walking through hating yourself and wanting to cut off your body parts.
- [43:37]
Amir Odom
These kids are just gay.
- [43:38]
Brett Cooper
They might be gay, but they're also kids going through through puberty.
- [43:41]
Amir Odom
No one liked puberty.
- [43:42]
Brett Cooper
That's why the amount of kids who transition, transition, the majority of them are girls.
- [43:47]
Amir Odom
Then when you put a puberty block. Puberty, I mean, I don't know. I would assume puberty for girls is way worse than puberty for guys.
- [43:54]
Brett Cooper
Well, I'm sure it's like they're bad in different ways, but again, nobody likes it. But for girls, I think that there is this like your body's changing. Some develop sooner than you. I remember being this weird, ugly duckling and I matured faster, but I was like a, a green bean. And I had this awful like bowl cut with bangs. And I looked so ugly and was so weird, but I was like tall and suddenly I was like developing and it was. Everything was so weird and I was like, I just want to cover up and this is so awful and it's so uncomfortable. And I was like sort of getting attention from guys, but also not. And there were girls of my age that were like voluptuous and like engaging their sexuality and everything is confusing, especially with the growth of social media. And you see these 15 year olds that are made up to the nines grown. Not even just like pageant queens of, you know, whatever. When you kind of do. That was a caricature. Literally. Look, grown are getting boob jobs before they're 18. All of this stuff, it's completely destroyed childhood. Because at 15, you were silly child. Puberty is supposed to be awkward. It is supposed to be uncomfortable. It is an awful time. And we have taken these kids who are obviously uncomfortable in their bodies.
- [45:00]
Amir Odom
Yeah.
- [45:01]
Brett Cooper
And it's like, oh, you're trans.
- [45:02]
Amir Odom
You can pause it. You're fine.
- [45:03]
Brett Cooper
Yeah, you can pause it or you can pause it.
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Amir Odom
Yeah, whatever. That's the sad part is all these kids being taken advantage of rather than.
- [45:10]
Brett Cooper
Holding their hands through it and going, you're going through what every other human being on earth has gone through.
- [45:14]
Amir Odom
And I feel so bad. I feel so bad for all. Like, again, like, the young gays. Because even for me, when I found out, I realized that I was gay in physically, I was like, damn, am I supposed to be a girl? So I knew girls like dudes. I was like, oh, maybe I am supposed to be a girl. And that to me, it's almost like these parents that are transiting their kids. That's the real homophobia. Because instead of saying, hey, maybe you're just gay. Let's wait till you're an adult to make some changes. You see a flamboyant boy or a boy that's gay, actually, you're a girl. Let's just go ahead and completely change. You let the kid.
- [45:50]
Brett Cooper
And they also want to be part of the community and the club in the cloud. You get, like, the celebrities. Yeah, the celebrities who are like, oh, all my daughter. You know, I have two trans daughters and all their friends are which celebrities.
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Amir Odom
That have all the trans kids.
- [46:02]
Brett Cooper
Is that Celine? Oh, no. Charlize Theron. Is that one? No, no, no, no.
- [46:07]
Amir Odom
Brad Pitt's kids that are trans.
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Brett Cooper
No, actually. Well, that is actually a great example. Okay, so Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, their daughter Shiloh, dress up, major tomboy, dressed up as a boy. For years, every transition, everybody always wondered. She reminded me of, like, myself. Like, she had this, like, bowl cut. She would wear, like, big baggy cargo pants, whatever. Randomly, like a year and a half ago, maybe she showed up at a premiere with Angelina in a full dress looking absolutely stunning. And they let her grow up. They let her grow up. They let her grow through it. Dress how you want.
- [46:37]
Amir Odom
I feel like if that was. Take that. What was happening, put that in today's time frame, maybe would have been tranced. Yeah. Or like, put on puberty blockers, but instead just let the child be, like, just explore through life and boom.
- [46:47]
Brett Cooper
The person that I was thinking of, I don't remember. I know who you are thinking of with, like where all of their kids are trans. But the one that I was thinking of is the red headed woman from Sex and the City and she has I think like two trans kids. And then she was up speaking after Trump was elected, she was like, I like these trans. You're attacking them, whatever. Like holding onto this microphone, crying.
- [47:04]
Amir Odom
She's like, Dwayne Wade.
- [47:05]
Brett Cooper
They're all like, yes. Dwayne Wade used to be Alex's favorite basketball player and now he's like burning all of his Dwayne Wade jerseys. There's this family on YouTube, I think that they might be in the UK and it's this dad.
- [47:16]
Amir Odom
I know, I know what you're talking about.
- [47:18]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. Dad. And the little tiny boy.
- [47:20]
Amir Odom
A little weird. Not even a little weird. It's.
- [47:23]
Brett Cooper
And you've watched it over like four years.
- [47:25]
Amir Odom
It's been documented from like the age of I think two.
- [47:30]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
- [47:30]
Amir Odom
Obviously because the boy had a bigger sister and just following what the big sister is doing.
- [47:34]
Brett Cooper
Y.
- [47:35]
Amir Odom
Which is fine, whatever. You're a little boy and like you have a son and the son has an older sister. Like playing with the heels or getting dressed up, whatever. It's at home. But to put that on TikTok.
- [47:43]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. Make a YouTube vlogs and make yourself the center of it. That's the way. I mean all of it is weird. Like putting your kids online. Whatever. But the dad is like that money. Yes. And loves the attention and you know, all of the like thunderous applause. It's disgusting, dad. And you're so. You're like, I wish my father been like you. You're so inclu. Whatever. And it's like you are literally groomed.
- [48:03]
Amir Odom
Down the pathway of transitioning instead of just living. It's almost like if I had to choose between like a non binary and a trans. It's like almost choose non binary.
- [48:12]
Brett Cooper
Okay. With all of this stuff going on in the world and you talk about it on your channel all the time, but what are your hopes for young people right now with all of this freaking insanity?
- [48:21]
Amir Odom
My hopes for young people is that they take more control of their own narrative in their life and they don't allow themselves to be led. By all means, I'm very appreciative of support. I'm sure you are too. And I'm grateful that people trust me and you know, watch my channel, come for me for news, whatever it may be, but that they even fact check me, that they're thinking for themselves and that they're not allowing themselves to be led by any mainstream media, corporation, institution, influencer, it doesn't matter. I want everybody to think for themselves, get the news for themselves, and at the end of the day, really understand why they feel the way they feel. Don't regurgitate some talking point because you heard it online. Don't say, I feel this way because Brett thinks this way, because Amir thinks this way. Feel that way for yourself. If it's on par with me, sure. Like, that's great. I love that.
- [49:10]
Brett Cooper
Or let it be like a launching pad is always what I say, like. Or a touchstone.
- [49:14]
Amir Odom
Yeah. Like, let it motivate you, inspire you. But understand and know why you feel or think a certain way. Because for so many years I grew up, it drove me to the brink of depression, of being just told, you're black, you have to act a certain way. You're gay, you have to act a certain way. And that wasn't me. And it's still a problem now in today's age of, oh, you're not black enough, you don't have your black card, you're a coon. Uncle Tom is that. And the third, none of that matters. Literally. Just. I just want more people just be themselves and understand that they're allowed to do that. Whether it doesn't matter your race or sexuality, but specifically for black people out there, gay people out there, you don't have to subscribe to the narrative of, oh, you have to be a Democrat. Oh, you have to be part of the LGBTQ community. You can just be you.
- [50:00]
Brett Cooper
How do you get the confidence to block out a lot of that and block out that pressure and the noise from people that want to box you in?
- [50:09]
Amir Odom
Because I know at the end of the day, people are going to talk crap about you until the day you die. It does not matter where you're at in life, people are going to talk crap about you. Adding to that, it's like there's this element of, like, I don't know. When it came to the point of me taking my own life, I had to sit there in that moment and really think, how am I going to sit here and not be who I want to be, not be my authentic self, not, you know, express my views just because someone else doesn't want me to? When there's clear examples of people out there in life doing exactly what they want to do. If someone could be super rich and come crashing down and be super poor, if someone super poor can get their life together and become super rich, not necessarily that money matters, but that just Shows me that you really can be anything you want to be in this world. And so the confidence just comes from just knowing that it doesn't matter. I don't know how to put it. It really does not matter what anyone else thinks about you as long as you're not hurting anybody.
- [51:04]
Brett Cooper
Yeah.
- [51:05]
Amir Odom
Like, causing physical harm to yourself or others or not. Like, and you're staying in your lane and you have tunnel vision. You're focusing on your goals and dreams. That's what matters the most to me. And I'm not gonna let anyone stop me from becoming the best version of myself, because I am the poster child of every statistic of, you know, a typical black person of, like, no father, poor, homeless, the whole nine. My life could have gone in one direction if I subscribed to the narratives and didn't believe in myself and didn't push towards my actual dreams and goals. But if everybody just did that.
- [51:41]
Brett Cooper
I also think something that you've done that I think a lot of people can learn from and I hope they see in you kind of touches on what you just said. But keeping your head down and focusing on the things that are important to you and your goals, that inherently allows you to block out a lot of the noise. If you're focused on your work and what you care about in the world and making yourself a better person and breaking through stereotypes, being the person that breaks the patterns in your family, which is always been my number one goal. Like, I always thought about, like, I'm not gonna be, you know, just another, like, notch in the belt. I'm not gonna do what my family's done. It makes it very easy not to care.
- [52:15]
Amir Odom
Yeah. And reminding to yourself, like, it's called going through it for a reason. Like, you're going through it. You're not stuck there. You're going to survive. Like, whatever season you're in is just a season. It's temporary, and your life is going to get better. You just have to have your mindset on this goal that you have for yourself of being great and pursuing whatever it is that you have in life that you want to pursue. But you're not going to be that if you're constantly surrounding yourself around negativity, constantly thinking and believing the gaslighting that may be coming your way from various family or friends. You have to instill in yourself that trust and that power that you can achieve the things you want to achieve. And you have to block out other people in the process. Like, you can't be distracted with other people's Mindset. You can't be distracted. What so so is going to think about you. It's so sad. There's so many people living a broken life because they're not doing the things they want to do and they're not being vocal about themselves. That's why I feel like there's so many midlife crisis. I'm not going to have a midlife crisis crisis. I'm living my life. I'm looking forward to being 45. Everyone's like, oh, your best life is in your 20s. That's disgusting. Like, how is your best life in your 20s? That. Are you just setting the rest of your life up for failure? No, I'm excited for 40 if I'm excited for 50, because I know life is still going to be amazing. But if you fall down this rat race in this trap of caring so much about what other people think, you don't want to disappoint your family, you don't want to disappoint your friends. You're never gonna be fulfilled. And I don't want that for anyone out there.
- [53:46]
Brett Cooper
Well, that's why your content is so great, because it's not just about politics and about cultural issues. I was actually asked that. I was doing something with the New York Times yesterday, and she was really honing in on. She was like, I just feel like you don't like you're political, but you're not political. I was like, because I don't care about the political wins. You talk about, you know, making people better and inspiring them. I was like, well, that's really what it's about me.
- [54:08]
Amir Odom
You're so political. I'm really not. Like, it's just talking about life and culture and wanting the best for everybody out there.
- [54:14]
Brett Cooper
That's why people respond to you and why you're gonna keep growing.
- [54:17]
Amir Odom
And you too. Hello. Because, like, a lot of people, how do we meet? That's the most funniest thing.
- [54:22]
Brett Cooper
Oh, yes. It's funny that we're ending it. We should have started with this. So I was alone and sad at UCLA and had no friends because I just told them I wasn't voting for Bernie or Biden. And in the primaries, I was like, I'm actually going the other direction. And I had gotten in contact with Prageru in Los Angeles, and my mom had found you on Instagram and was like this. You need to be friends with Amir Odom. This is like the greatest guy. She loved all of your slime.
- [54:48]
Amir Odom
2019, 2020.
- [54:49]
Brett Cooper
It was beginning of 2020, and you flew out to LA for the premiere of Will Witt's environmental documentary for Prageru, and the reason I went was to meet you.
- [55:00]
Amir Odom
Insane.
- [55:00]
Brett Cooper
Yeah. I had a little, like, orange sundress. I was like, I'm gonna go meet Amir, and we have that picture.
- [55:04]
Amir Odom
That is so crazy to me.
- [55:05]
Brett Cooper
Yes. And, yeah, we became friends ever since. I remember, like, DMing you and being like, I really like your work. And then, yeah, we stayed in touch, and then Daily Wire moved me out to Nashville, and I knew that you were living in Franklin at the time, but I wasn't exactly sure. And so I DM you. We went to North Italia.
- [55:20]
Amir Odom
And, like, just seeing the work that you've put in and how hard you've worked. Oh, my. I can get emotional. It's just so crazy. I'm just so proud of you. Like, what you've built for yourself, what you've done, what you've accomplished, and how consistent you've been throughout all this. Even back to 20, you're the same damn Brett. Like, super loving, super kind, super sweet. And if anything, you're just so much stronger and resilient and just. I'm just proud of you.
- [55:48]
Brett Cooper
That's the. Well, that means so much coming from you. And I would say the same to you on an even bigger level, because you've literally done it by yourself from day one, which is just so impressive. You're going to keep growing. But I was going to say, I think that that one thing that is a unique value to what we do is that at least my perspective. I feel like I make myself better every single time I get behind the camera and talk about a new story, because it's like, I'm not gonna sit here and be so hypocritical and tell people, oh, I think this is how you should live your life. If I'm not evaluating that on a daily basis, it's like, the stories that both of us cover and the research we do, it makes me smarter, makes me more interested about the world. It's my favorite thing.
- [56:27]
Amir Odom
It's so much fun about this.
- [56:28]
Brett Cooper
It's like, I feel like I'm a much better person than I was three years ago.
- [56:31]
Amir Odom
A Beyonce Ly because it relates to everything. She has a song called Bigger. She has a song called Bigger. In the song, she's, like, talking about how I'm not just preaching. I'm taking my own advice. Like, I'm going through all of this, too, and you're so on par. Every time I turn on that camera, every time I make a piece of content. My main goal is to leave someone better. This is it. And in turn, I feel better. Yeah, I'm just.
- [56:54]
Brett Cooper
Because, you know, if you turn on the camera and you are not being 100% you, or if you're lying about something, I mean, you feel like.
- [57:01]
Amir Odom
You feel, like, real.
- [57:02]
Brett Cooper
You feel disgusting. I know.
- [57:03]
Amir Odom
I don't know how people do it.
- [57:04]
Brett Cooper
The reasons why it was so important to me to, you know, make this big career switch, because it was like, if I'm talking to people constantly about swinging for the fences and taking big risks in their lives and fighting for what you believe in and, you know, betting on yourself. And I'm sitting here and I'm telling young people, like, take that risk. Do the thing that scares you. It's like, I was looking around me and I was like, oh, my God. I have to like, it's my turn. It's cool that the. That you guys hold us accountable in an awesome way.
- [57:34]
Amir Odom
It is. And I'm so grateful for the support and the love.
- [57:36]
Brett Cooper
Everybody go follow Amir and subscribe to his channel. Maybe we can get you to 600.
- [57:41]
Amir Odom
Oh, my gosh.
- [57:41]
Brett Cooper
Very soon.
- [57:43]
Amir Odom
I'm so excited.
- [57:44]
Brett Cooper
Thank you for coming.
- [57:44]
Amir Odom
Thank you for having me.
- [57:45]
Brett Cooper
This is so much fun.
- [57:46]
Amir Odom
We need to do it again.
- [57:47]
Brett Cooper
This is great. We can just start a daytime show. We're gonna replace Wendy Williams.
- [57:51]
Amir Odom
I'm down. Boom.
- [57:53]
Brett Cooper
Bye, guys.
- [57:56]
Amir Odom
Are we really doing an episode like this?
- [57:58]
Brett Cooper
I need to self promote.
- [57:59]
Amir Odom
Okay.
- [58:00]
Brett Cooper
Alex told me I don't promote myself enough.
- [58:02]
Amir Odom
That sounds like some shit he'd say.
- [58:04]
Brett Cooper
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- [58:08]
Amir Odom
And our awesome hoodie, it'll make you feel straight.
- [58:12]
Brett Cooper
There you go. This is the second Bread Cooper merch promo you've been required to be in.
- [58:17]
Amir Odom
I love it. I feel, like, very macho. I like the green, too. Green's my favorite color color.
- [58:22]
Brett Cooper
Well, you can keep it, please. Hope you guys like the merch.
- [58:26]
Amir Odom
Cooper Trooper.