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Podcast Host 1
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Podcast Host 2
Guys, I hate to inform you, but we might just have another Rachel Zegler on our hands. I mean, the mouth movements, the less than PR trained red carpet answers, a just utter disdain for men and the people who love the projects that they're making. She has it all and she is Supergirl. Now, obviously, we need to talk about what's going on with her. But what I really want to talk about is Hollywood's terrible track record of blaming their audiences for their failures. James Gunn's new Supergirl movie, a follow up to Superman from last summer. They kind of have some crazy crossover action there. It is hitting theaters this week, I believe, on the 26th. And they have a lead actress problem. And the actress in question is Millie Alcock. She is from House of the Dragon. She was also in Sirens, which I believe came out in 2024. Maybe. I watched it last year. It was fabulous. I think that she is a really good actress, but that is what she is really known for. And this new film is Based on a 2021 comic by the same name. And if you know, Superman was raised on hope and positivity and American values and positivity by those two Kansas farmers. And Supergirl is the exact opposite. She survived the destruction of her planet. She's emotionally scarred, she's hardened. And she's a drunk. She's a drunk.
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Interviewee / Actress
Weird.
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Podcast Host 2
Weird. And honestly, guys, I watched the trailer when all of this started to blow up online. I think it looks cool. I really don't know much about it. You guys know I'm not the biggest superhero person. I did watch Superman, though. I have no qualms about what I'm seeing in the trailer. It is supposedly like Mad Max meets Superman, but with a female heroine trying to save her dog. I don't know. You guys. Let me know in the comments whether you are excited about this or whether there is a problem that I am missing. But that is not what I am here to talk about today. Now, when this was announced, what I will say is that people were not so sure about her casting, mainly because of her looks compared to other actresses who have played Supergirl in the past. I think you can correct me if I'm wrong. Oh, so you think I'm ugly? But Millie, Millie Alcock, she took that to mean that people were upset because she was a woman. And this is where things started to go south online. So in a Vanity Fair interview from earlier this year, she said this, the author wrote, has the famously fickle Game of Thrones fandom prepared Alcock for the inevitable backlash that she'll face? Question mark, quote, it definitely made me aware that simply existing as a woman in that space is something that people comment on. We've become very comfortable having this weird ownership of women's bodies. I really can't stop them. I can only be myself. What does that even mean? Like, we are decades into this feminism nonsense and I still don't get it. But the thing is, I don't think they really know what they're saying either. Like, we have this. This weird ownership. You're not the first person who said it. You're like the 10 millionth. And we still don't know what it means. Existing in what space as a woman? Hollywood. Existing as a woman in a female led superhero movie. I do not even know if you can explain it to me. That would be great. And the other thing that I want to say that feels like common sense. It's like Captain Obvious here. But obviously, if you are in Hollywood, people are going to comment on you. They are going to comment on you if you are an actress and they are paying to watch you in a movie or a TV show in a franchise that they love. Like, that's kind of the whole gig. And even removing the audience aspect of it. As an actor, you literally live and die for approval. If people don't like you, you don't get jobs. It's not just based on talent or merit alone. You have to walk into a room, captivate them. You are literally auditioning, desperate to make people like you. It's Hollywood, baby. And so you're living and dying for that. You don't work if people don't love you. And yet at the same time, because you get rejected 99% of the time that you audition, you also have to let that roll off your back and let it not impact you in the slightest. It's like this twisted dichotomy, like, no wonder people in Hollywood go insane. But that simply is the fact of the matter when you are in that industry. So why are all of these people getting so wound up about the audiences anyway? Moving on from that after she made that comment in Vanity Fair. People obviously picked up on it. They started talking about it. They were commenting on her because she was existing in this space as a woman. And so from there, the next time that she was interviewed, she responded and she took it a step further. So this was in a piece for Variety, again, promoting Supergirl. She responded to the criticism and she said, I didn't even say men. I said people, she says. And they got so angry. I was like, you're proving my point. You're proving my point. And then this. Because obviously, obviously this happens. This is where it got political. They went on in the article and said, alcock even understands sort of where these base urges originate. With the world as unstable and terrifying as it is now, governments don't have anyone's best interests at heart. And people turn to online forums to find that guidance. It just creates an unhealthy relationship with a person who will eventually and inevitably disappoint their fans. And then this was the kicker quote, I guess women know that this is just how it's always been, unfortunately. And it's from a lot of people whose profiles have no photo, who are burner accounts or somebody's name, and then dad of four, Christian, which is hilarious to me, but I mean, whose opinion do you really care about? If you're pissing off the right kind of people, then you're doing okay. All right, so let me just get this whole thing straight. You make a vague comment, a vague feminist comment, seemingly attacking the audience for your new movie about them making it hard for you to, quote, unquote, exist or whatever. Obviously they are confused by that vague comment, accusatory comment. They take offense to it, they talk about it online, and then you choose to double down and make it worse. And you say that it actually is about the terrifying world that we live in, it's because of the government. And then you double down even more and you rip into the wrong kinds of fans, AKA the Christian dads of four. Now, I am not saying that all of these men are so, so peachy and wonderful. Obviously, there are people who have Bible verses in their bio and leave the most awful, atrocious comments and DMs. That is gross. This blanket statement saying that you are, you know, it's totally fine to piss off the right kinds of people. Obviously, that is going to piss off a lot of people. Like, I'm sorry. So, like, the right kinds of people to you are Christian dads, The most likely millennial dads, the men who grew up on Marvel and dc who are most likely your franchise's most loyal fan base and target audience. Those are the people that are the right fans to piss off. It's just dumb. 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And then the red carpets started happening. The red carpets for this movie started happening during the Pride month and people looked at these videos of her doing press and they were like, yep, this is how you kill a movie. Just watch.
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Interviewee / Actress
Many fans have embraced Supergo as a queer icon. What do you think is about care that inspires that kind of connection? I think I've. I played a few characters that might have a potential queer through life. I have many queer friends. So honestly, I'm kind of honored. I'm honored that that's happening. But I think because she doesn't live inside the binary of what we think a woman should be, that that is what makes her so special and so exciting and so new and yeah, I kind of thought that as well. I was like, she wouldn't.
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Podcast Host 2
It's so frustrating. I know that this is like a dead horse that we have beaten so much, but simply because a woman does not fit into the confines of a Stereotypical woman, like whatever they perceive as being this, like, feminine, soft, trad wife, whatever a picture of a woman is that they think audiences perceive because it's not what they view as a woman. It's what they think audiences think of women. Because a woman does not fit into that box. She must be queer. She must be trans. What? What if? Crazy idea. What if there are a million different types of women? What if there are women that are, you know, softer spoken, who are more trad, whatever that means in 2026, who are more feminine? Just like there are women who are badass fighters, like Gina Carano, who also, might I add, is also one of the most soft spoken, sweetest, feminine, gentle souls possible. Two things can be true at once. Simply because woman does not fit into the box does not suddenly mean that she is a gay, queer icon. It's like the JoJo Siwa situation all over again, where people started projecting onto her, saying to her when she was, like, 15 years old that she's a queer icon. She leans into it because she doesn't piss people off. I mean, it is just so twisted. Let men be men. There's a million different types of men. Let women be women. It does not have to be so binary. Which, again, is so ironic because they don't want to fit into the binary. I mean, it's like it makes me want to rip my hair out. Anyway, that was just a bit of a rant, a little bit of an aside. Moving on, because it does get worse. Because on another red carpet, it truly was like she followed the exact Rachel Zegler Snow White script. Just watching online about Kara's queerness in the comics, was that something that you explored when you were preparing for the role?
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Interviewee / Actress
It wasn't.
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Podcast Host 2
Why are you so excited every time they ask you about being queer? Oh, my God. Is it that she's actually having a good time, or is she like, stop asking me this question because she knows that they're baiting her. We're gonna get into that later. I shouldn't jump ahead, but it's seriously, like, are you this excited about every question or just this responding in the way that she did with that maniacal laughter? It did exhaust me. I just have to say so I cannot imagine how she feels right now. She's at Mud Water. Anyway. Just kidding. All right, here we go.
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Interviewee / Actress
But in honor of Pride Month, as I'm getting all these questions, I don't know. I think that what makes this film so beautiful is that it's not centered around a man. It's not centered around love it, if anything. But we'll see. I don't really.
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Podcast Host 2
I don't really know, but
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Interviewee / Actress
I don't know. I don't know. She'd probably go both ways.
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Podcast Host 2
There is such an arc in that question. She starts off by being like, oh, it's so amazing. And then by the end, she's like, I don't know. I don't know. It's not centered around a man at all. Just like Rachel Zegler saying, It's not 1937 anymore. She's not going to be saved by the stalker prince by the stalker. She's going to be a leader in her own right. Oh, my God, it is just so predictable at this point. And also not to be offensive, but also kind of to be offensive. Maybe it's more out of a place of concern, but are all of these actresses on drugs? Like, that's how it feels. What is it with the faces, the eyes? Like, remember Rachel Zegler on the Met Gala red carpet?
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Interviewee / Actress
Weird.
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Podcast Host 2
Weird. What is happening now? This in every single interview? Or maybe, maybe, maybe it's not the drugs. Maybe it's not alcohol. Maybe it is just the face of young feminist arrogance, and that's what we're dealing with here. It's Hollywood, baby. Now, all jokes aside, to be truly real here, there is a part of me as I'm watching all of these videos and I'm seeing this discourse unfold online, there's a part of me that really feels for her the same way that I did sort of feel bad for Rachel, because this young woman, she is young. She is 22 years old. I think she has grown up in the midst of this weird, progressive Internet ecosystem. Plus, with the addition of being in young Hollywood, she desperately wants to make it. When I was reading all of these interviews with her, the Vanity Fair one, the Variety one, she was talking about how she was so scared that she was never gonna work again after the last TV show she did because she didn't work for two years. She desperately wants to please people. She doesn't want to piss off the actual wrong people, which are the overlords in Hollywood. And it's very similar to Rachel Zegler that way. Also on top of that, you know Rachel, even though she did say those things on the red carpet and she looked totally insufferable and crazy, she was being led by Disney. Disney told her what to say. They greenlit the film. She was in the film just talking to people about what she was reading in the script and what they were filming. Millie is being led by psycho lib James Gunn. And also like that is just all both of these young women know. Whereas just to give you kind of a contrast here, somebody like Rachel Bronson, who is also in the DC universe. I loved her. And Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, I think she's fabulous. She has been around in this industry long enough to know how to respond to these baiting questions that could divide an audience. And she knows how paramount it is to not divide an audience. Just watch. This is on the same red carpet. I feel like it's girl power. So that's why girls bring a different vibe, don't they? Yeah, but there's also, I mean there's so many men, young men, teenagers here. It's so awesome. It feels like there's something in it for everybody.
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Podcast Host 1
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Podcast Host 2
I love her face in that moment. She was like, it's really just girl power, isn't? She's like, yeah, there's so many wonderful men here. Like, I just love her for that. She was saying, I see your question and I am not going to fall into that trap because I know what happens when actresses fall into it. Like that is a masterclass in PR. It was simple. She was, you know, the three Ps, pleasant, positive and pivot. She pivoted from the question. That is the equation for dealing with this ridiculousness. Somebody reposted the video and said, see how Rachel is able to catch that comment about girl power and flip it back on its head about how Supergirl can be watched and loved by all genders. That is a move by somebody who has been doing these interviews for a very long time and knows how to expertly counter tough questions last minute. She knows that there are people out there who hate women. And instead of feeding into that hate, Rachel walks a delicate line of just supporting the movie for a vast audience. Now, the one part I would disagree on is I don't think she was doing that because she didn't want to feed into the online anti woman hate. I think that she just did not want to feed into any kind of division and she didn't want to give that journalist the clip that would go viral and could be used against her, even if she was answering a seemingly innocent, totally fine question. And truly here, the journalists are the one to blame for baiting all of these actresses with these simply nonsensical questions. And a lot of commenters were pointing this out, which I think was totally fair. And I loved seeing that because they were not just blaming the actresses for this. Somebody said, you know, I almost feel bad for her. She's asked a question where she can't say, no, there's really none of that in the character's history. And she can't be in any way dismissive of the question, so she has to give this non answer. Again, you can't be like, no, there's no queerness in that. Then. Then everybody in the film would be hung out to dry by that crowd. You like, literally can't win. Somebody else commented and said a clumsy response. But let's be real here, the problem isn't her. Here it is the very obviously gay journalists that endlessly ask dumb actors about how gay their character movies is, putting these virtue signaling addicted retards in an inescapable for them situation where they don't dare say anything that may suggest the character slash film isn't the gayest film ever. Pandering to these activist journalists is the entire reason movies like this do not romances. Because they don't want to piss them off by having a strong strapping man fall in love with Supergirl, whatever happens. But Hollywood never seems to learn that even talking to these people costs them money. It is anti publicity. They need to blacklist every single woke journalist. Do not answer their questions. Hell don't even do interviews anymore. Just make promotional TikTok shorts instead. Sell the movie you made, not the one these gay journals want you to pretend they are. That is the best line in that entire comment. Sell the movie you made, not the ones these gay journals want you to pretend they are. And you know, sometimes to be fair, they did make the movie that the gay journalists want them to make, but in other cases they don't and you're just twisting yourself up and down to try to appease everybody when truthfully not every single audience member is going to like your film. And that's totally fine. But at least be honest about it and don't pander for the sake of pandering. But Hollywood is never going to stop doing that because they don't see the issue. Instead they will continue to do what they always do when their movies flop or audiences get mad. They will blame the quote unquote Christian dads, the fans, the normal moviegoers who just don't show up. And they have a long track record of doing this. Whether it is the filmmaker behind the Marvel movie the Eternals, which by the way was the lowest rated MCU film of all time. She deflected. She said, you know, maybe, maybe my film was just ahead of its time and then said that it's not about us, the filmmakers, it is about them. And I say that lovingly because they have a level of comfort with how their entertainment and their world, their beloved Marvel or their beloved indie filmmaker functions. That is the order of logic in their world that is being disturbed. In this case. We truly stepped out of the box that I think the world puts us in. We met in the middle because of our shared interests and by truly doing that, it made a lot of people uncomfortable on Both sides. But there are also people who are more comfortable with the order of their world being disturbed. And then they look at our love child and go, oh, this touches different sides of me. I like that. So I completely understand the divisiveness. Like I just. That is so bleh, bleh. I literally cannot take the condescending arrogance. Like, I say that lovingly. They look at our love child and they understand it. Ah, gross. Like, stop it, Hollywood. You are being so perverse. But the point of me saying all of that nonsense is to give the example that they always blame the audience. So, you know, have her doing that. You had Leslie Hedlund call part of the Star wars audience racist and fascist. Like, the list goes on and on and on. But probably the most brazen of these examples, and I have talked about a lot of them in all my videos on YouTube. But the most brazen was an anonymous Disney executive that talked to Matt Baloney from puck back in 2024 and he said this. This was after they had back to back failures with Star wars and Marvel. And he said, and I quote, everyone says it's the movie stupid. Which is an easy thing for people to say. More appealing movies are a great way to jump the political issues. But more and more our audience or the segment of the audience that has been politicized, saying they haven't been politicized. It's everybody else that hates us. They're the ones who've been politicized. Okay. Equate the perceived messaging in a film as a quality issue. They won't say that they find female empowerment distasteful in the Marvels or Star wars, the latest trilogy starring Daisy Ridley. But they will say that they don't like those movies because they are bad. So make better movies becomes code for make movies that conform to the regressive gender stereotypes or put men front and center of the narrative. So he is literally blaming audiences for this failure. He's saying, you are too regressive. You don't get what we're trying to do here with our, you know, female leads. All the things we're doing, the reason why back to back, all of these films have failed are because of you, because you've been politicized. And now I do think that he has a fair point in that sometimes, especially people on this like, right wing ecosystem will say, see political messaging in a film and automatically say that it's bad and unwatchable. I think sometimes maybe they take it a little too far. Like there are movies that I enjoy that very obviously are made by people who hate me and hate my values. But they have great performances, the script is good. I think what is most important here is talking about the films people are responding to, where the political messaging overtakes the storytelling. Where you have political messaging that is so sloppily crammed in just to pander to one side of the aisle to make them happy, to pander to the gay journalists. That most often is what people are responding to because that is a quality issue. Obviously, every piece of art, every film should have a point of view. Most of the time, because of Hollywood, it will not be my point of view. But if it is told through a great script and amazing characters and, you know, great performances, it's not so abrasive to me. And I can understand it because I'm a normal person that understands that people have different political views as me, have different values. And that's okay because I'm still appreciating a great story and I can walk away going, okay, I understand what they were trying to say. Probably don't agree, but that was a great film. A lot of times that doesn't even happen anymore because they're just cramming it in and it is such grab. But no, no. Anonymous executive from Disney. It can't be that. It's not that people are tired of these vapidly political watered down franchises and lazy reboots. It's not that audiences can clearly tell when you have not had a locked script, when you were reworking the script a thousand times, even on set, it was bad to begin with. No, no, it could not be that. It's that we're not ready for your female superheroes. It's that we are just not ready for girl power. Oh, my God, give me a break. It's Hollywood, baby. I feel like I've said this three times in this episode, but it is just so predictable. It's crazy that however many decades into this nonsense, we are still doing this. I guess the summary here of this story is that shocker journalists, classic are the problem and probably gleefully allow these untrained young actors to step on social media landmines and Hollywood simply cannot fathom that that could be an issue. Just like they can't fathom that maybe some audience members might simply not like their casting choices. Might not like the movies. No, it's the audience. Great. What's. What's new, guys?