Justin sits down with Allison Skidmore, Chief Customer Officer at Optimizely, the world's first operating system for marketing teams.

Allison brings a rich perspective shaped by stints at Adobe, Stackla, Gigya, and SAP across Asia Pacific before landing in the US to lead customer success at Optimizely. This episode explores how AI is fundamentally reshaping the marketer's daily workflow, what great onboarding looks like in an AI-native world, and what the CCO role must become as organizations race to stay ahead.

Episode Notes & Key Topics

1. Allison's Career Journey

Started in SEM at a Sydney agency later acquired by Adobe, rode the wave of digital marketing's early SaaS transition.
Spent six years at Adobe running customer success across Asia Pacific, building offshore teams and subscription services models.
Moved through Stackla and Gigya (acquired by SAP nine months in), then scaled the CS role across all SAP lines of business in APAC.
Joined Optimizely two years ago after reconnecting with CEO Alex Atzberger, bringing global enterprise CS experience to a fast-growing martech platform.

2. What Stays the Same in Customer Success

The sales-to-CS handover friction is timeless: it never goes away regardless of company size or stage.
Digital-first customer engagement (email, offshore teams, automation) has been a constant scaling challenge for decades.
The shift from time-and-materials professional services to subscription models remains a dominant trend.
Tech advancements create the inflection points: AI is today's example.

3. AI and the Marketer's Day-in-the-Life

Allison paints a vivid picture: by 10 AM, an AI-enabled marketer has completed a full week's worth of work.
Optimizely's Opal AI product is provisioned across the entire team, enabling agent building, workflow automation, and access to tools like Claude and Gemini.
The opportunity is not just efficiency, it's the ability to pull forward backlogged work and shrink implementation timelines (e.g., from 12 months to 3).
The companies moving fastest are the ones blocking calendar time to train their teams on prompting and agent-building, not just giving access.

4. Reimagining Onboarding and the Customer Journey

Allison's framework: great onboarding is the seamless alignment of three channels, human-to-human touchpoints, email marketing, and in-product experience.
Customers now expect to self-serve answers (just like asking AI instead of calling a mechanic), human-heavy onboarding alone no longer cuts it.
Consistency is the key: the message the customer gets in the product, in their inbox, and from their CSM should be identical, no basic repeats, no skipped steps.

5. The Evolving Role of the CCO

The C-suite fundamentals don't change: stay curious, solve problems, skate to where the puck is going.
Today, the puck is AI. If you can't build an agent, you can't expect your team to.
Allison is actively realigning roles, KPIs, and commissions around AI-native execution.
The CCO who can't leverage AI to scale themselves and reimagine their business will become extinct, just like Blockbuster.
Lego is the positive model: reinvention again and again.

6. What's Top of Mind for 2026

AI continues to dominate, but the customer journey evolution is a close second.
Consumers are shifting from Google to ChatGPT and similar tools, which means brands must optimize for GEO (Generative Engine Optimization), not just SEO.
Personalization is entering a new era: every touchpoint, not just the website.