Cyclops Cheese

Summary

The Brilliant Idiots: "Cyclops Cheese" (July 25, 2026)
Hosts: Charlamagne Tha God & Andrew Schulz

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Overview

This week’s Brilliant Idiots is a raucous journey through culture and current events, anchored by Charlamagne and Schulz’s signature wild takes and comedic chemistry. In a very 2026 way, the episode combusts around Christopher Nolan’s new film The Odyssey, sparking debates on “wokeness,” celebrity casting, and what makes a movie a classic. The duo riffs on the summer of great live events, the U.S. World Cup craze, rising concert nostalgia, media layoffs, and America’s shifting political landscape. Whether you’re looking for cultural criticism or comic relief, “Cyclops Cheese” is a sprawling, insightful, unfiltered listen.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. World Cup Craze & American Fandom (01:23–06:03)

• Charlamagne and Schulz recap the U.S. hosting the World Cup, poking fun at how Americans only care for soccer during major events and when national pride is at stake.
  • Charlamagne: “How much longer you think we gonna pretend we care about soccer like that in America?” (01:58)
• Discussion on the cyclical nature of soccer hype and cultural FOMO.
  • Andrew: “You get caught up in it, man, it’s the best time of year. No sports we care about happening.” (02:21)

2. Urban versus Suburb Living & Summer in NYC (06:03–07:59)

• Andrew defends city life amid Charlamagne’s attempts to sell him on suburban Jersey. Nostalgia for the light and energy of NYC summers, despite global warming making everywhere “unbearably hot.”
  • Charlamagne: “Nothing like taking a nap in Jersey when you don’t hear nothing but your woods.” (06:13)
  • Andrew: “Leaving the city is like a cardinal sin.” (06:27)

3. Heat Waves & Global Warming Reality (07:06–08:55)

• Reflecting on record-hot Vegas trips and climate change.
  • Charlamagne: “It’s a different level of heat...it’s a hundred and twenty degrees!” (08:10)
  • Andrew: “Bro, door won’t feel like it either way, we got AC.” (07:45)

4. Summer of Live Events, Nostalgia & the Happiness Curve (08:55–14:17)

• Charlamagne is chasing "natural dopamine" through concerts: Young Jeezy, Mary J. Blige, Jay-Z, and more.
  • Emotional reflection: “To think where you were and to see where you are now in life, twenty years later...” (12:40)
  • “Don’t be afraid to get old, y’all. Don’t be afraid.” (13:16)

5. The Odyssey: Wokeness, Casting, and Cinema (15:33–52:02)

Initial Reactions & “Wokeness” Discourse (16:12–20:33)

• Schulz and Charlamagne review Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey, combating the online backlash about its diverse and “woke” casting.
  • Charlamagne: “There’s nothing ‘woke’ about that movie.” (18:47)
  • Schulz: “To think Nolan would just throw something in willy-nilly—disrespectful to his process.” (17:57)
• Deliberations on Travis Scott as a bard, Lupita Nyong’o as Helen of Troy, and Elliot Page’s casting.

Trans Representation & Performance (21:49–23:57)

• Discussion on Elliot Page’s role and public reaction:
  • Charlamagne: “She did a great job in the movie...didn’t even realize that was a trans [actor] until after the fact.” (22:53)
  • Schulz: “They’re just mad that there’s a trans in anything.” (23:21)

Plot, Character Analysis, and Thematic Depth (25:00–47:49)

• In-depth breakdown of Odysseus as an anti-hero, meaning of cyclops scene, Greek culture concepts (Xenia), and redemption arcs:
  • “At some point you just gotta ‘let go and let God.’” (26:05)
  • “Odysseus is not someone that should be looked at as a hero...he still can’t keep still.” (26:42)
  • “He started the sea people… his actions started all that.” (44:04)
• Reflections on movie's practical effects and merits of non-CGI filmmaking.
  • “When it’s not CGI…it just looks more real, adds so much more texture.” (50:02)

Casting, Practical FX & The State of Blockbusters (47:49–54:35)

• Nolan’s signature use of real props lauded:
  • “Trojan horse—they built that. Cyclops was a puppet. No CGI.” (48:47)
  • “CGI is not impressive anymore...it’s cheap.” (50:24)
• Contrast with new Marvel films & lack of emotional build-up:
  • Charlamagne: “After what I saw in Odyssey, I couldn’t wait to see Spider-Man...they should have given us more Spiderman.” (52:02)

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6. The Greatest Filmmakers: Nolan, Spielberg, Tarantino & More (59:00–70:17)

• Extensive and passionate ranking of the greatest directors:
  • Tarantino, Spielberg, Nolan, Scorsese, Kubrick, Cameron all debated—using both “range” and “number of perfect 10s.”
  • “Spielberg has already shown me he can transcend generations… Disclosure Day and Odyssey are the best movies I’ve seen this year.” (63:23)
• Delicious analogies: “That sounds like comparing 80s ball players to 90s ball players. You tryna tell me Moses Malone is better than Michael Jordan?” (60:10)

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7. U.S. Politics, Israel/Palestine Debate & Democratic Party Fractures (80:19–116:41)

Republicans, Woke Rhetoric & DC “Gay Mafia” (80:19–82:25)

• Hunter Biden’s “closeted gay mafia” claim, how talking points migrate from fringe to mainstream.
  • “There’s this talking point... that the Republicans are gay and closeted and that’s why they’re so anti-LGBTQ.” (82:46)

AIPAC, Progressives, & Democratic Party Division (83:55–104:56)

• Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid, Hunter Biden, and Zoran Mamdani as voices of a new left:
  • “Democrats need as much political capital as they can get.” (95:01)
  • “Let Mamdani cook. That’s the problem with Democrats… they call themselves a big tent but want everyone on one message.” (95:01–95:24)
  • Mandani's ICC/Netanyahu “arrest” rhetoric seen as Trumpian political strategy, contrasted with “real issues.”

Israel, Nuance, and Social Media Tribalism (106:37–116:41)

• Introspective dialogue on polarization, online echo chambers, and personal identity in political debates—especially as connected to Israel/Palestine.
  • “They lose you when they stop having nuanced conversations… when they just generalize all Jewish people, all of Israel.” (112:24)
  • “When you have two completely different knowledge sets about what’s happening… it’s like debating history with two people that don’t share the same version of history.” (111:06)

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8. Media Layoffs, Podcasting’s Future & Authenticity in Content (122:58–137:12)

ESPN Layoffs & Corporate Media (122:58–127:44)

• Ryan Clark’s on-air layoff at ESPN used to highlight broader industry insecurity:
  • “That's the game. No job security anymore. Best is to have your own platform.” (127:34)
• Pivot’s likely success after layoffs, return to creator-ownership model.

The Next Big Thing After Podcasting (129:28–137:12)

• Podcasting’s evolution:
  • Charlamagne: “Podcasting talent is the draw—niche audiences, built-in support...you’ll see podcasting talent in other spaces.” (129:44)
  • Schulz: “Days of a star actor opening up a movie just because he's a star are done…movie itself needs to be the draw.” (133:22)
• Anticipate more crossovers from podcasts into broader media, with irl streaming as “the next wave,” especially for younger audiences needing authenticity.
  • “In this day where people are behind their phones…it’s the only way that makes it feel like you’re outside in real life.” (135:19)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “To think where you were and then to see where you are now in life, 20 years later…I started to cry a little.”
  —Charlamagne, emotional at Jeezy concert (12:40)

• “There's nothing woke about that movie…If you're calling it woke, your racism and bigotry is really showing.”
  —Charlamagne (18:47)

• “They’re just mad that there's a trans in anything.”
  —Schulz on anti-wokeness backlash (23:21)

• “At some point, you just gotta let go and let God.”
  —Charlamagne on The Odyssey’s moral (26:05)

• “CGI is not impressive anymore. We could do it on our phones now.”
  —Schulz (50:24)

• “Odysseus is not someone that should ever be looked at as a hero. He still couldn’t keep still.”
  —Charlamagne (26:42)

• “Let Mamdani cook. That's the problem with Democrats...they call themselves a big tent but they want everybody to be on one message.”
  —Charlamagne (95:01)

• “You can't beat that...you just say ‘clip that’ and it clips the part, shoots it right up while you're streaming.”
  —Charlamagne on IRL streaming tech (136:38)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• World Cup, Soccer Hype: 01:23–06:03
• City vs. Suburb, Heat: 06:03–07:59
• Concert Nostalgia & NYC Summer: 08:55–14:17
• The Odyssey (Wokeness, Plot, Analysis, FX): 15:33–54:35
  • Woke discourse: 16:12–20:33
  • Trans discourse: 21:49–23:57
  • Themes & FX: 25:00–47:49
• Top Filmmakers Debate: 59:00–70:17
• Politics: Hunter Biden, Mandani, Israel/AIPAC: 80:19–116:41
• ESPN Layoffs, Media: 122:58–127:44
• Podcasting’s Future/Streaming: 129:28–137:12

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Tone & Language Highlights

• Largely conversational, sarcastic, and candid.
• Back-and-forth “idiot/brilliant” banter remains throughout—no topic sacred.
• Switches between hyperbole, nostalgia, cultural commentary, and sincere emotion—particularly around live music, aging, and the importance of legacy.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

"Cyclops Cheese" is a snapshot of 2026’s fractious, streaming-first media world—where movies (and the discourse around them) spawn new culture wars, and the "old heads" embrace their nostalgia in between debates about global politics and the future of content. Even while diving into heavy topics (race, transphobia, Israel/Palestine), the Idiots never let go of absurdity, humility, and their sense that everything—2026 included—is just a little too ridiculous not to laugh at.

Transcript

[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

brilliant idiot podcast back for another week of brilliant idiotness hezekiah walker what's up my brother man had a great weekend what about you i had a great

[Andrew Schultz]

weekend man we was at hamptons saudi's the hamps and then we went to the world cup final man oh wifey and i went to the world cup final oh that was pretty awesome would

[Charlamagne Tha God]

you had a suite we were yeah

[Andrew Schultz]

we were invited into one of the boxes okay okay anybody in a box

[Charlamagne Tha God]

didn't pay for it i believe that i mean somebody paid for it but

[Andrew Schultz]

somebody paid for it the company but yeah but but yeah it was just an amazing it was amazing event i'm

[Charlamagne Tha God]

not going to lie how much longer you think we're going to pretend we care about soccer like that in america

[Andrew Schultz]

every time it has to do with our national pride ooh so america if you love your country you love anything your country is competing at but we weren't in it we were for a

[Charlamagne Tha God]

little bit i thought it was spain and argentina no we were in the

[Andrew Schultz]

world cup for a little bit it

[Charlamagne Tha God]

seemed like everybody was pretending to care even before that like it was pretending to care about all these different teams

[Andrew Schultz]

you get caught up in it man it's also the best time of year for us because there's no sports we care about happening right it's just baseball it's wnba oh yeah sky man you're

[Charlamagne Tha God]

right no you're right about it wnba

[Andrew Schultz]

man forgot about that one okay you're

[Charlamagne Tha God]

right greatest sport in the world right now i agree wnb fucking eight i agree but yeah people i'm not mad at people pretending to care about soccer i just it's just interesting how it feels like this year was soccer's breakout

[Andrew Schultz]

year in america well yeah because the world cup is happening here you see the impact you see how much other people care about you get fomo for

[Charlamagne Tha God]

not caring i didn't even know it didn't happen here every year what the fuck does it happen i had no idea i just started i had no idea it's the first time it's like

[Andrew Schultz]

you thought the world cup happens every year it should it's every four years

[Charlamagne Tha God]

i know oh shit i didn't know

[Andrew Schultz]

that like the olympics nation yeah now

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that i did not know so you mean to tell me that they play this sport all the time and only compete four years for the championship well

[Andrew Schultz]

there's different championships championships you can get there's like a european one there's a copa america one i'm sure there's an african one there's an asian one but when they all come together it's once out of every four years telling me i didn't know biggest spectacle in sport

[Charlamagne Tha God]

so hold on the fifa it's the

[Andrew Schultz]

super bowl for the world literally every four years once every four years wow

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that's incredible that's different that's different i wonder what's the reason for that why

[Andrew Schultz]

they make it once out of every

[Charlamagne Tha God]

four years i mean there's every there's never a time when i'm out of the country that soccer is not on well it don't matter if it's the especially when i'm like in africa or something like the soccer's always on maybe

[Andrew Schultz]

that's how you keep it special because think about it like in order to win a world cup you can't just run it back the next year it's like the guys that helps you win that one world cup four years later might be old or washed or interested

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that's not fair how do you how do you get a dynasty how do you get a dominant franchise i mean

[Andrew Schultz]

there's no real dynasties i thought that

[Charlamagne Tha God]

one team was the big franchise who france no maybe this is another league

[Andrew Schultz]

manchester no that's different that's premier league i don't know what the yeah that's just like the english like soccer soccer's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

league gotcha yeah oh who the knew well carry on i know the world cares about soccer it's just they love it it's just funny to watch americans this year be like yeah soccer football

[Andrew Schultz]

but we get caught up in it i'm trying to think why did we get so caught up in it even

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the kids like i mean i've noticed this before though kids be wearing soccer jerseys yeah yeah yeah i don't give a fuck you don't and they had like the first halftime show ever in

[Andrew Schultz]

a soccer yeah i mean it is pretty cool that the greatest world cup that's ever happened happened here it's the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

greatest one yeah i mean i don't know i have no idea obviously what made it the greatest one i don't know i'm asking i have no idea

[Andrew Schultz]

just the fact i mean we're just the best at it who america all right as a host nation i don't

[Charlamagne Tha God]

know that shit ain't do nothing but fucking cause a lot of traffic if you ask me we always got traffic i hated it especially in new york and new jersey oh yeah i got to deal with both i got to deal with the congestion in new york city then last weekend dealing with that

[Andrew Schultz]

shit stop living in a different state

[Charlamagne Tha God]

where you work no man for what you get more bang for your buck

[Andrew Schultz]

out there see well now you got

[Charlamagne Tha God]

banged up you'll be out there soon

[Andrew Schultz]

i don't think so you in too

[Charlamagne Tha God]

much movies man you too you getting you getting you in too much movies not to be in jersey soon bro yeah i'm surprised you don't want to move don't worry don't worry i love the city they got two kids now it's going it's going to happen i love the city you're going to want you a big ass house out there sitting on a couple backyard and all

[Andrew Schultz]

that i'm not going to lie when i'm out east it's really nice that's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

what i'm saying lionsgate right there in

[Andrew Schultz]

newark once it's dark at four pm like what i don't i don't want to live in like the suburbs yes you will why what's so nice about

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that you know tell them what you was doing before you walked in here sleeping taking a fucking nap nothing like taking a nap in jersey when you don't hear nothing but your woods yeah okay it's going no i'm not saying

[Andrew Schultz]

there's not beautiful places there for sure but i love the city and you didn't grow up in the city so you don't know the feeling that we have leaving leaving the city is like a cardinal sin but you've given up

[Charlamagne Tha God]

and then lately going to the hamps

[Andrew Schultz]

no that doesn't count it's summer i don't know you allowed to leave for the summer we got rules in new

[Charlamagne Tha God]

york they like new york i thought you the summer is the place summertime is the shit for new york i

[Andrew Schultz]

like new york in the summer okay but this common sentiment about new york in the summer is it's unbearably hot i personally think it's the most electric

[Charlamagne Tha God]

time of year well every every place in america is unbearable every place in the world is unbearably hot when it's hot nowadays like you know so it

[Andrew Schultz]

don't fucking matter oh because you're you're on the global warming you all can

[Charlamagne Tha God]

feel it you see it it's everywhere you really believe you really believe in it yes i was in vegas this weekend it made no sense to leave the fucking hotel where are you telling

[Andrew Schultz]

me that the desert was hot no

[Charlamagne Tha God]

no no this is it's a different level of heat no no no no no it's you tell me the ocean

[Taylor]

is

[Charlamagne Tha God]

one hundred and twelve is crazy

[Andrew Schultz]

that's regular nah charlotte that's no it's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

not that's been vegas since we were regular so why has it been record temperatures the last couple of years one hundred twelve is not regular that was

[Taylor]

regular no it's not have vegas witness

[Andrew Schultz]

one hundred eight bro door will feel like it either way we got ac

[Charlamagne Tha God]

man that but that in the hotel it makes no sense if you go

[Andrew Schultz]

to vegas to be outside like the second i get to vegas i enter a hotel i don't think i smell fresh air until i go to the airport i'm with you like has you ever spent outside time in vegas and

[Taylor]

now they connect them and shit like that where you never have to go

[Charlamagne Tha God]

and see the sunlight man i left the hotel well i went to go see young jeezy and mary j see this is retarded man one hundred twenty degrees the highest temperature ever officially recorded in vegas july seventh twenty twenty four the fuck are y' all talking about one hundred twenty that's insane but i left the hotel what the fuck you talking about i left the hotel one

[Andrew Schultz]

time but you don't want us to

[Charlamagne Tha God]

do about it what do you want to do about it and it's over nothing we can do you want me

[Andrew Schultz]

to take out this straw throw it

[Charlamagne Tha God]

in the fucking ocean give it to the turtle let me get it give

[Andrew Schultz]

it to the fuck this up so a turtle don't swallow it i went

[Charlamagne Tha God]

to go see young jeezy this friday and i went to go see mary j blige saturday i told you i'm chasing natural dopamine hits all fucking summer how was it so oh my god but i'm still on a high from jay z right literally i'm still on a dopamine high from watching those three shows to the point that i just

[Andrew Schultz]

don't it's the greatest summer in new york yes yeah a little bit in new york championship knicks playoff run y'

[Charlamagne Tha God]

all can't think of one better jay

[Andrew Schultz]

z yankee stadium world cup final yeah

[Charlamagne Tha God]

yeah yeah and if you and if you if you were blessed enough to go to all of those events yeah

[Andrew Schultz]

and we're not even done yet they got the us open the end of the summer imagine some crazy shit happens

[Charlamagne Tha God]

liberty still playing liberty playing new york liberty still playing don't fuck around don't fuck around don't you don't even have you don't even know don't fuck around

[Andrew Schultz]

you don't even know where that liberty

[Charlamagne Tha God]

play at the barclays center yeah i've been to a game or two dolan

[Andrew Schultz]

sold that oh my god sorry we can't say that i can't say that

[Charlamagne Tha God]

but dolan sold this guy called him queens and said we can't say that

[Andrew Schultz]

yeah he can't that's crazy i can't

[Charlamagne Tha God]

call him if you would have called him a slur or something he'd have rolled with it but he said he said he sold those queens be a bit of fun if he wants to bleep it and fucking act like it was a slur that's crazy it's not

[Andrew Schultz]

as a slur it's like and my honest feeling is this is like i don't want them to assume that they would marry a king because they might

[Charlamagne Tha God]

not do that they marry another queen

[Andrew Schultz]

yeah but queens can't marry like if you're really going off of monarchical sisters

[Charlamagne Tha God]

i thought they rubbed their crowns together isn't that what they do that's the only thing of wnba that's yo they won't even let yo you know the union won't even let her monetize that they won't even let sophie cunningham monetize her point the wnba union was like nah you can't monetize anything that starts

[Andrew Schultz]

in conflict it starts in conflict yeah

[Charlamagne Tha God]

yeah so being that it started because of a conflict being that moment came from a conflict they won't let her monetize it which is crazy to me

[Taylor]

i mean there was a lot of people selling chris giles punching kobe's situation

[Charlamagne Tha God]

wnba nba different rule yeah but the

[Andrew Schultz]

nba didn't sell it yeah the nba

[Charlamagne Tha God]

didn't sell it that's true so the

[Andrew Schultz]

league is putting a kibosh on it

[Charlamagne Tha God]

didn't let and it's not like chris childs monetized it i don't think he didn't make no t shirts and no shit like that nah he didn't make no t shirts but man i went to that concert when i tell you that jeezy and mary j blige concert was amazing jeezy especially to me yeah cause twenty plus years ago we were in the club i'm in columbia south carolina working at hot ten thirty nine we in the club with big t shirts and baggy shorts you know what i mean i remember when jeezy first came to this club called the main event this dude named fats had bought jeezy for a birthday party it was jeezy and big country king and that club holds like three thousand plus people but that night jeezy was new he ain't had trap or die out yet so it's only like a couple hundred people in the club if that right but i remember six months later maybe maybe it was six months i don't care remember time back then when trap or die came out that same fucking club had three thousand people on the inside and another thousand trying to get in holy shit you know what i'm

[Andrew Schultz]

saying one song came out or just

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that whole the whole album the mixtape the trap or die mixtape so to see that and for jeezy to be one of my top seven favorite rappers ever to be in vegas twenty plus years later with it's a black tie experience so everybody got on the tuxes and like that and the girls got on their dresses he's got an orchestra doing like trap or die oh my amazing oh my god oh i had to like i had to like catch myself i started to cry a little

[Andrew Schultz]

you were getting emotional emotional you're getting emotional as you talk about it now no your eyes are watering up because

[Charlamagne Tha God]

it was like yo to think where you were yeah and then to see where you are now in life twenty years later yeah you know what i'm saying and i'm listening to this music that i grew up on and then when he did that one song i used to have nothing now i got a whole lot of everything and i come through stunting and now the whole world going to know my name oh my god man i was two tequilas into it it don't take much for me nowadays we're just getting emotional oh my god you know what i'm saying and they slept it was good that it was hot in there because i was sweating so i had my rag so i could wipe the whole face keep the tears from falling oh it was just amazing it was just incredible

[Andrew Schultz]

man and it's him by himself and mary j blige in a separate mary

[Charlamagne Tha God]

jeezy is at planet hollywood i believe and mary does the mgm so i went to see jeezy on friday night and then went to go see mary at the mgm on saturday totally different experience but just the same type of dopamine hit cause this is music that we grew up on you know what i'm saying and it's just like i'm in the age demo now that is the highest spending demo in america and that is who that's who was at yankee stadium right that forty five and up crowd and that's who was in vegas that forty five and up crowd like that is i think the highest spending demo was forty five to fifty four or forty five to sixty four i can't remember but those are the people who are you know they're working class folks they have some disposable income they can buy concert tickets they can you know travel to vegas if they want to to watch shows and that was just a beautiful time man that's awesome don't be afraid to get old y' all don't be afraid keep trying to cater to them kids if you want to acting like the fucking kids

[Andrew Schultz]

and see what happens yes right no i agree with you on that one

[Charlamagne Tha God]

and then in the middle of that beautiful weekend because my my our guy was out there at sharon as sharon he played allegiant stadium this weekend oh wow yeah he played allegiant stadium saturday

[Andrew Schultz]

so you did that as well well

[Charlamagne Tha God]

no i didn't go to allegiant stadium me and ed was talking tonight and ed was like yo i'm renting a theater to watch the odyssey and i'm like oh shit this is the perfect weekend cause i wanna go see the fuck i wanna go see the fucking odyssey i'm not doing shit but sitting in this hotel till the show tonight right yeah ed is a man of a certain age and he had a show at six o' clock so we went to go see the odyssey at two on the dot perfect time was out there by and you know they start the movie no trailers no nothing so they start the movie two o' clock two hours fifty two minutes we was out before five all right but and it was it made me think it's like damn a guy of that stature has to rent a theater just to enjoy a movie

[Andrew Schultz]

well you're saying otherwise people would notice him and yeah

[Charlamagne Tha God]

yeah yeah and the fact that he's probably playing there that night you know you know what i mean he doesn't have to he doesn't have to but

[Andrew Schultz]

it makes things more convenient it's smarter

[Charlamagne Tha God]

for him to yeah you know i mean because then you know the whole michael jackson law remember we talked about the michael jackson law that if a certain if you're what what are you laughing at taylor we talked about the michael jackson law here on the podcast when you're a celebrity of a certain stature if you go out in public and you cause a scene and there's a riot you can be fined for

[Andrew Schultz]

that is that right you didn't you

[Charlamagne Tha God]

knew this man we had a whole

[Andrew Schultz]

conversation i remember the conversation but i don't know if you're pranking me or not so i'm a little bit hesitant to like lean into it did you

[Charlamagne Tha God]

see the odyssey yeah did you love the odyssey unbelievable talk about it did

[Andrew Schultz]

you not like it

[Charlamagne Tha God]

i'll tell you this when the odyssey was over i stood up and i was just like that was just great i mean there's nothing else that's just a great fucking movie it was just a great film that is what cinema why do i feel like there's a but here there's no but that is what cinema is

[Andrew Schultz]

supposed to be feels like there's a

[Charlamagne Tha God]

but there's no but what butt is it my only butt has nothing to do with the movie which is it's watching the reactions the people on social media that i clearly have not seen the movie because they're calling it a woke film it's nothing it's nothing remote by the way if you're calling it a woke film your racism and bigotry is really showing because it has no wokeness in it whatsoever i don't know

[Andrew Schultz]

if it's racism and bigger she's really showing but like it is the problem with with like the performative wokeness and that becoming something that you're framed as

[Charlamagne Tha God]

but they're only calling it woke because it's a trans in it and some black people well we're gonna get to that i didn't know the person was

[Andrew Schultz]

trans we're gonna get to that great

[Charlamagne Tha God]

job whoever did the surgery yeah yeah

[Andrew Schultz]

but like i think what's happening is like right now people are like disney is doing all this forced diversity and forced wokeness right so now we've been framed to look at things in that way when we were growing up i don't even know if disney made white cartoons all i saw growing up was aladdin mulan like i'm trying to think the lion king but i never was like look at them trying to be woke making a brown cartoon or an

[Charlamagne Tha God]

asian cartoon like but schultz if there's a movie with a cyclops in it a six headed mountain that eats people right shut the fuck up no no

[Andrew Schultz]

wokeness well i'm gonna get actually we're gonna even go back to the wokeness thing in a second how wrong they are about it and like how deliberate decisions were made which is like you're actually like you're showing a disrespect to how thoughtful nolan is with filmmaking to think he would just throw something in willy nilly right so we'll get to a second but i think what's happened is because there have been like these performative woke where we're like let's just make the girl version of this guy movie you know what i mean like okay let's make girl ghostbusters like there has been this effort like which is like kind of low hanging fruit to just be like oh let's just flip it we have this ip that works let's just flip it i think people's brains have gotten a little warped that they think everything that happens to be that is this performance is woke performance when it's not nothing about that movie

[Charlamagne Tha God]

is woke okay so the opening people trans though you put a trans or

[Andrew Schultz]

something we'll get to it but we'll

[Charlamagne Tha God]

get to that that's what it is

[Andrew Schultz]

so so the opening right travis scott

[Charlamagne Tha God]

opens it i did not know that was travis and i kept saying is

[Andrew Schultz]

that fucking travis scott so travis scott opens it right and he's basically he's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

called bard he's a bard he's a

[Andrew Schultz]

bard yeah that's the term right so what a lot of people might not know is that the homer's the odyssey and the iliad were not written down this is oral tradition yeah yeah yeah so poets at the time would share this oral tradition they would go into these you know alleys or there'd be a place where they would talk there'd be like a bar hall and they would tell these great stories and people would sit around and they would listen to these great stories okay so that

[Charlamagne Tha God]

should have been andre three thousand not

[Andrew Schultz]

travis well what is travis he is a modern day poet yeah okay so now are there people who are more known for their storytelling in bar sure this is chris nolan he's a british guy it's probably his kid's favorite rapper is fucking travis so he's like okay

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that's and he worked on the soundtrack

[Andrew Schultz]

so like the idea to me is like in his i imagine his eyes is going poets back in the day would tell these stories let's take a modern day poetry to start the telling of the story and if you notice throughout the movie it's all told through story absolutely so like matt damon is remembering his past with calypso so he's telling the story and then you see it acted out it was even an

[Charlamagne Tha God]

ill line i'll find it go ahead

[Andrew Schultz]

anyway so that's like the first woke thing that i think doesn't make sense he's not like oh how do i get a black guy in here he's like okay let's have a rapper do it because these are the modern day poets and let's maintain that right so that's number two that's number one the lupita nyong' o being helen of troy that was the other issue that's what she was yeah i knew who the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

fuck she was do you know who

[Andrew Schultz]

helen of troy is yes i do

[Charlamagne Tha God]

but i didn't need that because they was telling the story right you know what i'm saying so being that they're telling the story i didn't need to i didn't even think about it like

[Andrew Schultz]

the trojan war was fought over who was it paris stealing helen from whatever

[Charlamagne Tha God]

is she had a twin two in

[Andrew Schultz]

the movie which is like that is i have a problem with that and that's that's not helena troy didn't have

[Charlamagne Tha God]

a twin sister did she yeah and

[Andrew Schultz]

also how how can you be the most beautiful girl in the world if you have an identical twin ooh there's only one most beautiful i mean one

[Charlamagne Tha God]

might keep it hairy which would make you more beautiful back then yeah because

[Andrew Schultz]

we appreciate we appreciate women and we appreciate their bodies you see a hairy one you got to be like

[Chris]

you

[Andrew Schultz]

gotta hit it with the sophie but yeah so okay so you're you're you're helen of troy and everybody's like why are they choosing a black chick this is grease or whatever okay

[Charlamagne Tha God]

none of that shit mattered well i didn't i promise you i didn't think race not

[Andrew Schultz]

one time of course if you go see the movie but also i i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

did not know that was a trans i didn't know it until when i saw everybody complaining about wokeness i'm like

[Andrew Schultz]

what the fuck was wokeness let's get to the trans let's get to the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

transition what's her name first of all

[Andrew Schultz]

elliot page elliot page yeah formerly ellen page and you know who the actress is she was in juno she was in the inception oh yeah that's juno yeah she's oh juno i didn't know that so she worked with see that's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

why you can't transition man because you don't get credit for your past work no holy that's fucking juno yeah yeah yeah i would have loved to turn to my wife and be like maybe

[Andrew Schultz]

she knew you didn't watch inception she's the girl in inception i remember inception remember there's the little girl who builds the worlds leo gets her to build the world yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

[Charlamagne Tha God]

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah see she's an amazing actor can't get credit for that either actor whatever you lose the credit for all of this great work now because people don't remember that was

[Andrew Schultz]

you you don't remember the rest of us are like the rest of us remember vividly you're the only one the rest of us remember vividly and we

[Charlamagne Tha God]

did a fantastic trying to get the

[Andrew Schultz]

fucking gender right that's it she did

[Charlamagne Tha God]

a great job in the movie i don't care about none of that shit she was a great what is it actor in the movie she was a great she was as good he was just good i didn't even realize that was a trans until after the fact

[Andrew Schultz]

i don't think that i don't think it's a trans in the movie that's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

my point they're just mad that a transgender is in this role playing the role of a man that's what people are mad about that's what that's what

[Andrew Schultz]

i saw no they're not mad they're just mad that there's a trans in anything like they don't except performers

[Charlamagne Tha God]

they don't get mad when they that's the

[Andrew Schultz]

only one where they're not upset about no they're mad that there's a trans in anything and it's like i think that people would be more mad if they made the scene about being a

[Charlamagne Tha God]

trans person that would be ridiculous in

[Andrew Schultz]

that era that would be performing right like that would be weird but but they don't and i just think that like whatever you know that character she he plays the character do you know the character he's playing what are you

[Charlamagne Tha God]

looking up i'm trying to find his life this ill line man look i'll

[Andrew Schultz]

tell you the line just it was

[Charlamagne Tha God]

something about singing it was it was

[Andrew Schultz]

towards the end and what part of the movie was in it was it

[Charlamagne Tha God]

was towards the end after he

[Chris]

after

[Charlamagne Tha God]

he had come after he got back home and they went back out and they were trying to explain about it was like something about the singing of

[Chris]

songs

[Andrew Schultz]

chase the sunset we'll chase the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

sunset west no it was literally about songs because it kind of it kind of just wrapped up the whole film about like about the storytelling of the

[Chris]

film yeah what character i didn't see it what character did elliot page play

[Andrew Schultz]

so in the beginning of the movie do you remember when they were signing up to be in the army and they did a lottery yeah yeah and then robert pattinson's character and then there's like a little boy character and they like switch the sticks yeah yeah yeah and the little boy ends up going yeah instead of robert pattinson yeah so

[Charlamagne Tha God]

weren't they brothers they were brothers right

[Andrew Schultz]

no that kid was the shepherd's family so what basically is robert pattinson's rich family pays the shepherds his shepherds they go fight for robert exactly so i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

think what they're robert's a draft dodger

[Andrew Schultz]

basically exactly and what they're using elliot page's character as is like here's this weak defenseless person that should never have been in war in the first place she's this vulnerable person that's not built for war if you send if the character is not played by someone that has elliot stature you see some gigantic greek monster you don't feel as bad when they get arrowed and shot up but when you see this little twink getting shot up you're like they should have never been there first place some rich family just did this bait and switch and now they're suffering this fate and they were essentially lied to by odysseus or misled by odysseus because remember odysseus doesn't say that he's in the horse no elliot thinks it's an actual gift yeah yeah yeah yeah because he

[Charlamagne Tha God]

needed that was ill he needed them

[Andrew Schultz]

to believe yeah yeah yeah i mean there's so many amazing things about it

[Charlamagne Tha God]

i gotta watch it again i mean what i loved about it is that it showed it showed two things number one you just can't escape god right like at some point you just gotta let go and let god yeah but also and i saw ryan holiday talking about this and i thought this was such a brilliant point odysseus is not somebody that should ever be looked at as a hero and the reason he should never be looked at as a hero is because even after going through everything he went through letting go letting god finally getting back home he still couldn't keep still yep well and he they made it in the movie where he was going out to honor you know the dead the dead but really no he went out and still did

[Andrew Schultz]

more pillaging so yeah so ryan's talking about the odysseus from the book and like christopher nolan basically interprets odysseus in a different way and you get like a much more likable warm odysseus i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

never fell in love with the character though i liked him fair liked him because i felt like even after he made his i don't want to get a movie away but even after he made the turn in the movie where

[Andrew Schultz]

it's three thousand years old yeah you're

[Charlamagne Tha God]

right yeah am i talking about but even after he you know he made the turn and he scrummed the arrow together and he you know did all that i still felt like you're still a bad guy you still made decisions that you knew were going to get other people killed you still pillaged you know different islands and different places like like i don't think you're redeemed well

[Andrew Schultz]

did he pillage any of those places

[Charlamagne Tha God]

yes maybe one year yeah when they show us him doing that one i just assume that's what he does everywhere the shit he did with the cyclops was fucked up bro well that's the

[Andrew Schultz]

idea i hated that shit the cyclops is a weird scene right because like in the book odysseus is a piece of shit in the book like he's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

a piece of shit in the movie

[Andrew Schultz]

nah but like he's a piece of shit who did horrible things that's trying to grapple with it on some like ptsd shit in the movie right and he's trying to grapple with the reality that he created and then once he realizes and accepts the reality he created he can finally move forward and he can be forgiven for his sins and

[Charlamagne Tha God]

sustainable maybe that's what we didn't see in the movie i didn't see him asking for forgiveness well i think you just kind of assume he's redeemed because you know he goes in as a

[Andrew Schultz]

baby forgiveness is the punishment so there's that scene before he leaves calypso where he finally realizes he's ready he's ready and that he was avoiding home because he knows what he created he created the downfall of civilization right that is a completely different interpretation from the book

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that was ill though so like in

[Andrew Schultz]

the movie it's hey i did this i got this cool way to get into troy and then we could take down the trojans and we could win the war right and then upon doing it he realized he breaks zeus's code called zinnia right which is this idea that like you should always give like food and shelter to any stranger and they should always respect you when they come into your home so he takes advantage of he breaks zeus's code it's like breaking the constitution and once one person isn't obeying the constitution the rest of society doesn't obey it and all of society falls apart right yeah and

[Charlamagne Tha God]

he realized basically they stop believing in

[Andrew Schultz]

god exactly well exactly yeah because if you don't fear god like god is what's holding it all together whatever you want to call the code of zeus whatever so what happens is he internally understands that he's broken that code and then every place he goes the code is broken he goes to the cyclops and instead of the cyclops offering him sheep and milk they attack him and he kills the homies right he doesn't welcome you in this is what you're supposed to do he goes to the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

cersei chick but think about the cyclops thing though they were violating they weren't supposed to be there they go into

[Andrew Schultz]

this you're always supposed to welcome a stranger that's zeus's code if a stranger walks into your home you must welcome them and you must treat them as if they are a god because they

[Charlamagne Tha God]

might be one so he thought that the cyclops was violating code no the

[Andrew Schultz]

cyclops violated zeus's code by not welcoming them in because they broke in they

[Charlamagne Tha God]

weren't supposed to be in there broken you start eating my cheese you know what i mean like you didn't i'm cyclops i walk into my place and y' all are just in here yeah you know what i'm saying i mean

[Andrew Schultz]

look so basically the difference between the book is that odysseus was not remorseful in the book odysseus was like i'm a genius and he was so proud of himself in like the epic poem whatever he's so proud of himself of what he did he had this hubris that made him think that he could defy the gods and what he does is in the book it's a little different there's a moment with the cyclops where the cyclops asks him who did this to me and he says nobody like his name is nobody and then when the other cyclops come they go who did this to you and that cybercrime says nobody did this to me and it's his way of tricking the cyclops is into not looking for the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

movie he said his name but right

[Andrew Schultz]

before he leaves he's on the boat he screams the cyclops tell them odysseus did you conquer of lands like nobody could stop me the cyclops tells his dad who's poseidon yo odysseus fuck with me you got to get back at his ass and that's when poseidon sends him around on this fucking insane journey but so the difference of the character is matt damon feels horrible about this he's avoiding going home he actually doesn't want to go home because he knows what he destroyed well no remember he

[Charlamagne Tha God]

got warned what was the guy who got killed that he met in hades it was another it was another agamemnon

[Andrew Schultz]

the guy who was no no i'm

[Charlamagne Tha God]

not getting it i know that's his name because i seen this shit but i just don't know if you pronounce it but yes remember the guy in hades cause he was shocked to see him there and he was like what are you here for and then he told him because basically going home that's agamemnon so he was like you know when i went home he still had to pay he had to deal with the shit that he caused we got athena killed am i making that yeah

[Andrew Schultz]

they killed athena athena was the baby

[Charlamagne Tha God]

then he had to sacrifice him no

[Andrew Schultz]

no no the baby was his kid that he did that before oh that wasn't athena and then he didn't tell

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that number is racist cause i just assumed that him and lupita nyong' o had zendaya nope that wasn't athena no well that baby got killed and lupita's character helena troy didn't get over it

[Andrew Schultz]

helena troy no that was helen troy's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

twin sister i got to watch this shit again but he he he she killed mark gagging on because fucking she killed him because she was upset about that sacrifice but to him yeah that was a noble thing to do making that type of sacrifice yeah and that's

[Andrew Schultz]

that's not even the other odyssey

[Taylor]

what

[Andrew Schultz]

do you mean huh odd to see my dick in your mouth

[Taylor]

okay

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that wasn't fair not in that conversation i mean it is no it was because it was too you're bound to get caught i knew it though i felt like i was walking on landmines that whole fucking time like i knew it

[Andrew Schultz]

okay anyway back to the story but

[Charlamagne Tha God]

he got warned by what's the character name agamemnon agamemnon so agamemnon is the one who put that in his head that going home isn't going to be what you think it is do you

[Andrew Schultz]

watch dune did you watch those movies at all no no okay doesn't matter

[Charlamagne Tha God]

no so that's why he went in as a beggar foreign

[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

what else pisses me off exactly that

[Charlamagne Tha God]

dog waited for him for twenty fucking how long was it twenty years twenty years that dog waited for you for twenty years in the same spot dies you don't shed a fucking tear well that's it that scene was fucked up

[Andrew Schultz]

is it i mean yes it is a real dog but like what is the dog a metaphor for ooh what i don't know what this isn't mulan this is beyonce my boy look metaphor for the dog is a metaphor for his kingdom slowly decaying slowly decaying in

[Charlamagne Tha God]

ruins slowly falling apart interesting i didn't hear like that i mean you bring up a good point i just looked at it as that was a cheap way to let us now know that tom holland's character knows this is odyssey

[Andrew Schultz]

but that's real that's and i think in the book it doesn't i don't think temeculus which is like tom han's character notices it but they do have that beautiful moment and it's like he's just the loyal he's the loyal servant him and then your mayus or whatever his name is which is john leguizamo's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

character yeah listen i enjoyed it you know what i'm saying like i just enjoyed the movie i just thought it was a good fucking movie there's another

[Andrew Schultz]

thing like you know when he's with calypso i'm not kidding you charlize theron's character when he has she has him kidnapped on the island oh yes so the real odysseus didn't even show him fucking her so the real odysseus was knocking down all these hoes and staying until he was tired of them damn so in the lotus flower shit you know like to forget he never takes

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that oh so he know he knocking her down yeah so she was drugging her no y' all worried about the woke shit nah thank you she was drugging him thank you she was drugging him the whole crap no he was knocking down nobody got an issue with it nobody got an issue it's her drugging him and she don't even remember

[Andrew Schultz]

molly in a drink he don't even

[Charlamagne Tha God]

know that's crazy that's fucking crazy yo i enjoyed it i don't know what to tell you i i thoroughly enjoyed

[Andrew Schultz]

it movie was unbelievable nah it was man but the decisions that nolan made were brilliant because he made it better it's better than the real story the real story is not as good and the real story isn't even the real story the real story is the only version some dude wrote down hundreds of years after the real guys were telling

[Chris]

the real story sounds like the bible

[Andrew Schultz]

exactly this is what alex was saying as well so it's like for me having your own interpretation on these events like people are like oh but he wasn't true to the real story and it's like how do you know that that guy was true to the real story he just heard it as well and added his sauce to it i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

read that poem a long time ago and barely remember it but i like this version because it's lessons about ego it's lessons about letting go and letting god it's lessons about you know thinking that you're gonna have some type of homecoming when you go home cause you feel like you've gone and done all of these great things but people look at what you've done in a completely different way like you just i mean i thoroughly enjoy and it made me be like yo at some point you gotta learn how to keep fucking still brother like odyssey odyssey didn't even feel comfortable in his kingdom anymore even after all the events happened that's why he

[Andrew Schultz]

ran so in the book they don't make it like in the movie in the movie they make it like he was exiled because obviously the families of all the people he killed and then he had to go west to you know give his apology to whatever i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

would have liked that better well that

[Andrew Schultz]

is what happened in the sorry that's what happened in the movie in the movie he's exiled right and he left yeah meaning he left for multiple reasons like one you just killed all the suitors so their families are going to be pissed so the only way that his son can maintain the throne is if he pays the punishment he's exiled from the land he goes west to go apologize wouldn't the families want to kill the son i think the agreement was the son didn't do anything the father did don't see i see i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

gotta maybe i missed it i didn't see that spelled out that would have

[Andrew Schultz]

made that wasn't spelled out okay see

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that would have made me feel better if i had a butt it's that it's like there was no consequence for his action actually look like he rides off into the sunset cause what did

[Andrew Schultz]

those what did the suitors do to his wrong nothing nothing right like odysseus is dead it's twenty years the dude hasn't come back like you're the queen we gotta have a kingdom you wait

[Charlamagne Tha God]

twenty years before you try to pop somebody's chick that's kind of noble that's noble you know what i'm saying cause i could have been on it like the first week i waited twenty years

[Andrew Schultz]

even a calendar year is generous you

[Charlamagne Tha God]

see what i mean a calendar year

[Taylor]

they lucky drake wasn't one of the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

suitors you know what i'm saying like think about that think about how you hear about these guys going to jail and like like the guy's best friend or some dude immediately is on the

[Andrew Schultz]

girl immediately you go how many how many soldiers do we have you go to war and you still got a

[Charlamagne Tha God]

phone you see what i'm saying some

[Andrew Schultz]

guy's knocking your chick down while you're

[Charlamagne Tha God]

away at war trying to open the straight i do wish they would have shown me that i wanted i wanted odyssey to actually try to get forgiveness or if they would have told me he was exiled because he couldn't be here no more that would have made sense to me as well well the

[Andrew Schultz]

book is the cautionary tale about like having to constantly travel and never feeling

[Charlamagne Tha God]

okay at home never feeling okay and

[Andrew Schultz]

that's the the flaw of like what nolan made it so that he was aware of his flaws and i think and like he changed certain things because of it whereas i think the book was he is aware of his flaws by the end but he's like i don't know if i could change bro like we gotta stay on this boat and keep traveling i need to explore the world i mean just think about it he ends the war right in the trojan war and then decides to not go back with agamemnon agamemnon's going this way he's like yo let's pop over to fucking edi for a little bit and hang out like yeah i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

didn't like that either i didn't like how he i guess they also didn't show how at some point odyssey you got to listen to something greater than yourself i understand god well he needed

[Andrew Schultz]

to be humbled remember he thought that he could in his mind he outsmarted the gods yeah so the process poseidon humbles him to the point where he goes the only i am not better than them and there's that moment where calypso says to him you can go home you're ready but you have to submit yourself to the gods and poseidon is going to punish the shit out of you but zeus won't let him kill you and that's when he's in the raft in the water yeah yeah and then just ends up on the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

shore i understand odyssey feeling like he was smarter than all the men odysseus yeah odysseus i never thought that he thought he was smarter than the gods

[Andrew Schultz]

yeah that was his whole thing it's like i'm not going to listen to you i can outsmart them i could tell my men what to do we could find a way around it and he's slowly learning that like the men can't listen to what he says he goes listen we could go to this land and chill there but don't eat the cattle because they're apollo's cattle if you eat them you'll all die they're there for a few weeks they got a bonfire going with a fucking barbecue

[Charlamagne Tha God]

no maybe there was no i'm lying there wasn't there were the moments where he started actually listening to people like he listened to his son right yeah

[Andrew Schultz]

i mean he even listened before like he listens to calypso finally yeah yeah you're right and she helps him kind

[Charlamagne Tha God]

of remember the past that's what that's what that's when he that's when he to me that's when his journey began yeah like when he started listening to other people right of course of course you're listening to all of his friends

[Andrew Schultz]

needed to die think about that that's crazy literally everyone around him needed to die he's alone on is for seven years with a chick and then he goes okay i think i want to

[Charlamagne Tha God]

go home and i love i love him coming back to his home as a beggar so smart because he can see from that perspective you know what i mean and he can see how

[Andrew Schultz]

people actually will treat you that's right

[Charlamagne Tha God]

nobody's actually following zeus's law like nobody's actually treating the beggar society has fucking oh man nah nah it was brutal

[Andrew Schultz]

and society is decomposed because of his actions yeah he's the reason he's hearing about the sea people right and these people who are just like lawlessness and just ravishing civilization and deconstructing all of it and what he soon realizes that he was the sea people he started that and his actions started that so he goes and he has to reap

[Taylor]

what he sows just one thing though so with the zeus law the guest must also respect the host home and show gratitude and not abuse their generosity so the guests i don't think that

[Charlamagne Tha God]

cyclops though no they're the suitors oh

[Taylor]

the suitors were kind of breaking zeus

[Andrew Schultz]

law you could make an argument that they were breaking the law but i would also make the argument like we're here suiting you like if you just marry one of us we all go home you got to marry somebody your husband's dead and we had a kingdom

[Charlamagne Tha God]

what if you're suiting without consent well that's what a lot of them were trying to do that's not suiting a lot of them were trying to suit without consent that's not suiting it wasn't until she was open to it that they could really let their nuts hang you know what i mean all before that they was trying to force her to kind of you know to get married to get married yeah yeah i

[Andrew Schultz]

mean not even forced because they respected it you know they were like yo it is what it is like we're gonna i think they were pretty patient for the time yeah yeah yeah yeah do what i mean like this is a time where like raping and pillaging was normal and these guys waited twenty years to get some cheeks like that's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that's pretty good i mean now that i think about it that's my i guess my other only thing tell me you probably if you're gonna have black people in the movie brown not really brown people john leguizamo was you couldn't really tell he was john leguizamo but if you're gonna have black people he was phenomenal dude phenomenal you should just when it comes to extras and shit you should have just had more of them in the room like when they were having the dinners and all of that because there's only one there was only one brother the whole time like that didn't make no sense like if you're going to do it you should have just had some extras like just you know that that's the only i

[Andrew Schultz]

guess i think the argument is like it was more rare it's not that it was completely rare but to have like a i think there were way more black people that existed in the time than people think when they think about greece i also think like the greeks looked way more brown than we

[Chris]

have cast drake yeah he looked like could be ancient greek i think he

[Andrew Schultz]

looked like he could be like sicilian or northern african yeah but like i

[Chris]

think that's what the ancient greeks look

[Andrew Schultz]

like maybe i think the greeks are like i think lighter to be honest with you because if you're you're in like northern greece or you're in ithaca you're it's not exactly but that's like

[Chris]

alexander the great right like he was

[Andrew Schultz]

more european looking because he's macedonian right

[Chris]

yeah guys further the further you go down the peninsula the more yeah arabic

[Andrew Schultz]

or you look or whatever but but that's why i thought the lupita nyong' o thing was kind of fire because imagine you're existing at a time where there's not that many like dark brown people dark black people right yeah yeah and then you have this stunningly beautiful one we're talking about the most beautiful woman in the world to me that would be peak uniqueness at a time like that finding another blonde or brown

[Charlamagne Tha God]

hair that's accepted nah nah nah that's

[Andrew Schultz]

acceptable finding another blonde and brown hair girl you're like all right whatever there's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

a million of these that's the answer

[Andrew Schultz]

you're looking at this girl you're like yo we've never seen one like this

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that's a hell of a statement no no that's a hell of a statement if you got this movie that has got this lily white cast and the most beautiful woman in the movie or you're saying the most beautiful woman in the world is lupita nyongo no you're

[Andrew Schultz]

right right like to me i could get behind it in the same because if you just had a brunette there who's playing it that's hot there could be someone be like yeah she's super hot but like i know another brunette that's hot but if you don't know another girl that looks exactly like that there's a version where you could be like this is the shiniest diamond in

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the world yeah but i'll tell you one thing man it felt good to go just watch a movie and escape i didn't think about i promise you when i went to go look at like reviews you know after you watch a movie you go like watch the youtube videos and stuff just to see little i did not expect to hear anybody complaining about wokeness like they went

[Andrew Schultz]

in there ready to complain about it

[Charlamagne Tha God]

i hey i thought it was great

[Andrew Schultz]

there wasn't anything woke about it nothing

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the other thing i love about christopher nolan is he don't use cgi brother he's using real fucking props like that the trojan horse they built that and you know the scene when those fucking big ass night shit come out of

[Andrew Schultz]

the woods i'mma fuck you up in a second go those are real people

[Charlamagne Tha God]

yeah i know they said they wouldn't cast it seven feet tall people yeah and they went and the woman who was that wasn't even matt damon that

[Andrew Schultz]

was a woman yeah so they had like super small women oh and then these seven dudes and they use some

[Charlamagne Tha God]

camera oh my god you want to

[Andrew Schultz]

know the crazy scene what you know that the the the cyclops was a puppet right no that's not even cgi a puppet like literally like a puppet with strings and they were moving out of yeah so and then that's not even the craziest part you know when they turn them into pigs yes that's practical own practical means real not cgi

[Chris]

huh

[Andrew Schultz]

i know it sounds crazy that's i know it sounds crazy so what they did is they use some camera tricks or whatever but they created these like versions of things where they could be manipulated and like mushed etc by the actress but none of that is cgi yo you want to know fire even crazier the whirlpool nah nah just hear me out the whirlpool jet skis in a circle a bunch of them nah yep and then eventually i'm sure they use some cgi to make the middle of it look crazy but they actually made the water turn by just driving jet skis in a circle wow

[Charlamagne Tha God]

listen man that shit it adds a great touch you know what i'm saying we don't even realize what we're not seeing because we don't see it anymore you know what i'm saying we're so used to seeing the cgi and shit like that like we've become accustomed to it but when you see when it's not cgi it just looks so much real add so much more texture to

[Andrew Schultz]

it man also like cgi is not impressive anymore there was a time when

[Charlamagne Tha God]

we were kids our green screen or

[Andrew Schultz]

green screen because when we were kids right like we would see something that was created with cgi and it would blow our a transformer mashing into a building the building completely falling down like your brain couldn't conceptualize how it could even happen now i could type in my phone transformer hits building fall down and i could have a perfect marvel movie version of that by ai well

[Chris]

that's the cgi is going to be the least of our problems in about two years i mean they're going to be there already is but most movies are going to be full ai i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

mean that's some good ai shit out there i like i like ai when it comes to the animation i've seen some really good ai animation i don't want to see no ai trying to make me believe that it's actual humans but the animation actually looks dope new

[Andrew Schultz]

street fighter movie no way in the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

animation parts really that's good i think that's dope honestly after seeing fucking odyssey and then seeing the doomsday trailer i was just like you're like so what

[Andrew Schultz]

because cgi used to be hard right we would look at it like this is an impossible task now it's cheap

[Charlamagne Tha God]

now it's cheap yeah man and then i watch so much marvel stuff that i even watched the makings of it when you realize like that shit is

[Andrew Schultz]

ass when you watch them don't share

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the makings of marvel no more don't

[Andrew Schultz]

you just see a big green screen and someone holding the their costumes aren't

[Charlamagne Tha God]

even real trash like they got the fucking shit all over nah bro it's like ugh the worst thing they did

[Andrew Schultz]

is drop that trailer the same weekend they thought that they were gonna like take some of the wind out of the sails or whatever and i think it actually hurt them they should have

[Charlamagne Tha God]

just focused on spider man that's it spider man comes out on the thirty first listen you got tom holland in odyssey you got fucking zendaya in odyssey you got the guy that plays punisher what's his name john berthal john berthal he's in odyssey all of these people are in spider man now is not the time to give us doom you should have gave us another spider man trailer highlighting all of them because after what i saw in odyssey i couldn't wait to go see spider man i literally i was like yo we get to go see them again in a couple of weeks that's literally where my mind was at should have gave me more spider man doomsday shit and the

[Andrew Schultz]

graphics aren't impressive anymore bro like you're gonna have to do things outside the graphics like yeah the story has to be good the fight choreography has to be clever but just going hey here's an explosion we could do it on

[Charlamagne Tha God]

our phones now yeah i have i saw the doomsday trailer and i realized something i'm like i have no emotional attachment to doomsday no come on keep

[Andrew Schultz]

talking ow alex keep talking it that

[Charlamagne Tha God]

shit is exciting man but alex think about all the other avengers movies and how we got to them by the time you saw infinity war an in game trailer you had been invested for the last decade plus true it's been what seven eight years since endgame they

[Taylor]

lost their step a little bit but right now this is going to be a continuation of endgame so it's going

[Charlamagne Tha God]

to be i think that's wax to me that feels like some retconning that doesn't need to be you put such a great button on endgame give me something totally new the fact that you got to go back into endgame and add seven more minutes jordan with the wizards

[Andrew Schultz]

it feels weird alex feeling like

[Charlamagne Tha God]

jordan with the wizard it feels weird i don't have like i'm looking at i'm like yo there's no buildup to this we can't just get what's the storyline that's my point doom is the most powerful marvel villain what's the storyline

[Taylor]

ever you have robert downey junior playing dune you know that shit is gonna

[Charlamagne Tha God]

be crazy no there's no character but

[Andrew Schultz]

what's the storyline they're not gonna tell

[Charlamagne Tha God]

you the storyline that's the problem well you better that's the problem going into infinity war we knew what it was and by the way that was the first time we saw thanos in action was infinity war all before it was just little things at the end of

[Taylor]

the movie we had no idea what the storyline for the movie was we just knew that thanos was the enemy

[Charlamagne Tha God]

but that's it listen i'm going to see doomsday they got my money but all i'm simply saying is i have no emotional attachment to it whatsoever like none like there's been no buildup i don't even know how we got here when does it come out i don't remember nineteen december nineteenth all right look

[Andrew Schultz]

they got time to build the story

[Charlamagne Tha God]

no they don't nah they got one movie spider man's coming out no no

[Andrew Schultz]

meaning they have time in the marketing to build the story like you could you could get it going my the point that i'm trying to make is in order to invoke that reaction that you and i both want which is like to feel emotionally connected to this storyline they're going to have to do more in the marketing than simply being like robert dyer jr's playing doom word up because also now we've had some movies that are fire dune is going to come out we're more connected right now if you've watched any of the doom movies you're way more connected to this third doom movie than you are this avengers movie that they had to this is no shade but they had to put together because the other marvel stuff wasn't working that's a fact like we know i don't think that doomsday was in the plans i think the plans were here's the next generation of marvel characters that didn't work out and then they were like uh oh we spent a lot of money on this marvel property we gotta make that money

[Charlamagne Tha God]

back all movies like odyssey continue to show us is that we the consumer want new ip we the consumer want new stories you know even if it's

[Andrew Schultz]

even though it's the oldest story listen

[Charlamagne Tha God]

even though it's the oldest story ever

[Andrew Schultz]

it might not be the best example

[Charlamagne Tha God]

but i'm just saying we we haven't seen well it has been on the big screen before but this generation may have not seen it on the big screen you know what i mean it's also like i saw supergirl did i tell you how trash supergirl told me man oh my god it was disgusting

[Andrew Schultz]

yo but here's the thing about the odyssey i think is so interesting is like and it really made me i was talking about this on flagrant but like it made me think about anything that i'm working on now it's like two things one what is the simplest version of your story like and and the simplest version of your story is probably what's going to make it last you know the test of time which is like three thousand years or whenever this is written it's guy is trying to get back to his wife before other guys her that's relatable guys trying to get back to his wife before other guys her and kill your son that's the oldest was he trying to get back though in this iteration okay you know like to me that is like the simplest version of what this story is and you immediately know what to root for from the beginning of the movie it's very clear now guy trying to get back to his wife before other guys fuck her and kill

[Charlamagne Tha God]

his son our son loving his dad so much and believing his dad was still alive and wanting to go get daddy before other guys fuck mommy that's

[Andrew Schultz]

also true and that's his and that's the son's journey right like the son and the wife got a different journey but like like add the fact that they're trying to fuck your wife and kill your son and you had to go fight in a war you didn't even want to fight in so now you're taken away from them for an unjust reason yeah and you got to get back before they take everything that's you know valuable to you yeah yeah yeah yeah you know and then like this is the the shit i saw from nolan which i thought was great which is like christopher nolan keeps returning to the same heartbreaking truth the greatest tragedy isn't death but losing precious time with the ones you love to war and destruction the greatest tragedy isn't death losing time to the ones you love that's the thing that every single person that i see with older kids that sees me with my daughter goes it goes so fast that's right you have two kids you have one that's out of the house yours are getting out of the house do you ruminate on that do you think about fuck yes all the time what dumb shit did i do that i missed all that

[Charlamagne Tha God]

time too much no you're one hundred

[Chris]

percent right i don't even know what

[Charlamagne Tha God]

happened i don't even know what the fuck happened either chris i remember her coming out the womb yeah and now it's like what the fuck and how

[Andrew Schultz]

relatable is that this man missed eighteen years of his kid's life because he's fighting a war to his fucking boss wants to go fight that he don't give a fuck about yeah yeah yeah

[Charlamagne Tha God]

yeah yeah so much so that when he returned home he didn't even look at that kid as his son he

[Andrew Schultz]

didn't even know who it was he

[Charlamagne Tha God]

wore his ball he was talking to him i didn't understand i didn't i couldn't tell if he was pretending or he really didn't look at him as

[Andrew Schultz]

his son no i think that i think i think he was pretending i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

think he pretend he was pretending yeah it was easy to pretend when you don't know the little motherfucker that's true

[Andrew Schultz]

you know what i'm saying that's true

[Charlamagne Tha God]

yeah but i agree with you nolan is man it made me want to just go on a binge watch he's the go this is too long the

[Andrew Schultz]

dude but like he is probably the greatest filmmaker ever like if we're if we're gonna keep it a buck bro cameron up there too spielberg cameron i think spielberg's had more misses than cameron and nolan not no hate spielberg took

[Charlamagne Tha God]

more swings too he's taking way more

[Andrew Schultz]

swings way more swings and a goat in his own right for sure ooh

[Charlamagne Tha God]

ooh noah's up there i mean i don't know where you rank him but he's up there tell me who's around

[Chris]

him stanley kubeck but what did he

[Charlamagne Tha God]

do here who the fuck is stanley

[Andrew Schultz]

kubeck he did eyes wide shut is

[Chris]

that him he did barry lyndon a great movie he did full metal jacket he did space odyssey two thousand one and space odyssey lolita he did a clockwork r and he did i feel

[Charlamagne Tha God]

you chris but that's the thing that sounds like comparing eighties ball players to doctor strangelove that's like comparing eighties ballplayers to nineties ball yeah i mean i get what you're saying those were great movies in his day you trying to

[Andrew Schultz]

tell me moses malone is better than

[Charlamagne Tha God]

michael jordan you see what i'm saying

[Andrew Schultz]

that's what you gotta say yeah it's

[Taylor]

like i know it's too early but i'm gonna put ryan coogler in there cause he doesn't have a miss yet too early it's too early but he

[Andrew Schultz]

doesn't have miss let me ask you

[Charlamagne Tha God]

let me ask i like coogler's up

[Andrew Schultz]

too early though brilliantly talented brilliantly brilliantly talented ryan coogler if you had to say his best piece of work what would you say it is so far i mean this guy's got a long career black panther one would you put black panther oh sinners sinners i like

[Charlamagne Tha God]

black panther sinners is way better all right would you i feel you on

[Andrew Schultz]

that one i believe so would you would you put black panther or sinners up against

[Taylor]

say this is the last one because i just told you before

[Andrew Schultz]

no no up against interstellar or dark

[Charlamagne Tha God]

knight but that's not fair cougar's gonna get there that's what i'm saying he's young he's gonna get there like like

[Taylor]

like like i would put sinners over

[Andrew Schultz]

odyssey yeah yeah i'm sure there's people that that would like he's nice sinners over i i wouldn't but he's nice cooler's nice what i'm saying is it's unfair because he's too young you're say filmmaking is decades long

[Taylor]

like i think the cinematography on sinners were better i think the story of odyssey is better but you take okay okay okay used

[Charlamagne Tha God]

ip the sinners look better yes but is it a better story movie odyssey

[Taylor]

that's not his story but sinners original

[Charlamagne Tha God]

original

[Andrew Schultz]

original robert robert rodriguez might feel

[Chris]

differently you guys don't have scorsese in

[Charlamagne Tha God]

this conversation scorsese's in there he's up there but he can't fuck with no

[Chris]

nolan yes he can what are you

[Andrew Schultz]

talking now scorsese's nasty nasty with story

[Charlamagne Tha God]

yeah and not nolan's nasty with story too but the way nolan look i got tarantino up there that's the one

[Andrew Schultz]

that nobody so here's the thing so here's the thing tarantino okay all right this is all right this everything gets different if you gotta go top three or four movies if if you gotta if you gotta go we're judging people by their top three okay now spielberg it's hard to say it's not spielberg if you just go top three or even tarantino if you just go top

[Charlamagne Tha God]

three cause tarantino you i'm taking pulp fiction got him i'm taking kill bill one one and probably reservoir dog bro what about

[Andrew Schultz]

the the django man oh yeah django i mean yeah yeah jackie brown i don't know if you guys

[Charlamagne Tha God]

with jackie brown jackie brown fire was crazy nolan just spielberg it's not even

[Andrew Schultz]

close spielberg is not even close schindler's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

saving private ryan et et spielberg's the

[Chris]

goat i mean come on jaws yo

[Andrew Schultz]

spielberg if again if we're just going

[Chris]

to the lost ark not all movies

[Taylor]

he just named aren't but i know

[Charlamagne Tha God]

what you about to say i know what you about to say but i'll tell you why i'm a fuck you up yes they are disclosure day was

[Andrew Schultz]

fire i didn't see it y' all

[Charlamagne Tha God]

ain't see it yet disclosure day was fire so steve spielberg has already showed me he can transcend generations like disclosure day and odyssey are the best movies i've seen this year all right hold

[Chris]

on period spielberg's got some of the absolute all time classics disclosure day is

[Andrew Schultz]

one spielberg if we go top three what are your top three spielbergs saving private ryan gotta be in it that's no question right i mean jaws is

[Chris]

one of the greatest movies of all time you guys can't imagine jaws was

[Charlamagne Tha God]

fire back in the day you guys don't understand i remember my dad my dad took me to see jaws in the theater i remember jaws three d in the theater bro that's f me what when you sitting in the movie theater and that big ass fucking shark is coming out that fucking screen jaws

[Chris]

was fire bro also like close encounters of the third kind you guys don't understand how big a movie that was man yeah that was a monster schindler's list yeah that's an all time epic saving private ryan saving private ryan all time epic might be yeah like et

[Andrew Schultz]

now et is a fucking banger bro yo et movie nobody puts together nah

[Chris]

et is you don't understand no you

[Andrew Schultz]

guys don't understand you're talking about classics

[Charlamagne Tha God]

versus if i had to do a top ten movies of all time my whole life i probably i can get each other in there bro et was

[Andrew Schultz]

fire bro redemption who did that who did who did shawshank redemption chris i

[Chris]

don't know let's see my phone is dead it was directed by frank darabont

[Charlamagne Tha God]

yes man i'm looking at this as chad gpt who the top ten filmmakers one big swing chatgpt said number ten is christopher nolan number nine is federico fellini i don't even know who that

[Chris]

is great new wave director what'd he do he did a bunch of he's italian they're like all very influential italian movies from like the fifties and sixties

[Charlamagne Tha God]

okay eight is ingmar berman ingmar bergman i don't know who that is also great director sure seven orson welles six francis ford coppola five scorsese four spielberg three stanley kubrick two akira kurosawa and number one alfred hitchcock nah nah come on stop they got alfred they didn't

[Andrew Schultz]

even put tarantino on that list tarantino's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

not even on the list which is crazy to me tarantino's not even on

[Chris]

the list tarantino's a little gimmicky no

[Charlamagne Tha God]

stop no he's not yes he is why is he gimmicky what's gimmicky about him he got a very significant style

[Chris]

he got one style man look at the range we just showed you with

[Charlamagne Tha God]

spielberg look at that range but tarantino's movies have range though he can go from django to pulp fiction it's literally a movie about slave but it's got

[Chris]

the same energy it's got the same pacing it's got the same point of

[Charlamagne Tha God]

view i can say that about nolan

[Andrew Schultz]

yeah you can say that yeah exactly

[Chris]

but i'm not talking about nolan i'm talking about spielberg but i'm saying most

[Charlamagne Tha God]

great directors have that like most great directors have that same signature style which

[Chris]

is great but what i'm saying is that's what but looking at these lists that's what sets spielberg apart the range between jaws and schindler's list think about that there couldn't be two movies more

[Charlamagne Tha God]

different you know another private ryan right in the middle you know another great spielberg movie i love that people minority report remember minority report minority report was fire it was fire but i don't

[Andrew Schultz]

know if range means you're better yes

[Chris]

when all your range hits it does

[Andrew Schultz]

yeah that's what i'm saying like if you got range and this is not spielberg but if you got range and everything's at eight it doesn't mean you're the greatest you gotta have you gotta

[Chris]

if that was a bunch of nines and tens i just that's what i'm

[Andrew Schultz]

saying if you got to be at ten to be in a conversation and if everybody else is also a ten and you have range that might separate

[Charlamagne Tha God]

yeah but nolan got like five tens bro spielberg definitely got five tens nolan got like five tens i'm not like is a ten count nolan's misses let's

[Andrew Schultz]

do that tenant tenant is the only one really i didn't i didn't really with the bomb movie which one was that the albert einstein the oh oppenheimer oppenheimer oh you like oppenheimer yo you can't oh wow i say that was the greatest wow yes you did so

[Charlamagne Tha God]

remember no remember i had remember i

[Andrew Schultz]

had like i was going through my breathing because we were trying to get pregnant i had that like anxiety induced asphyxiation i couldn't breathe so the whole time i couldn't breathe i was like this is horrible i like i want to i think i'm thinking of the

[Taylor]

jet movie with the tom cruise that is fire you thought that was the

[Andrew Schultz]

greatest movie top gun top gun and maverick nolan did top gun no no no oh no but maverick was incredible

[Charlamagne Tha God]

but oppenheimer some people say that's like nolan's best work i think i think dark knight is his best one i

[Andrew Schultz]

think they decided oppenheimer was his best work before they saw it and i think it was like who is they you already know who they is dominicans

[Taylor]

yeah i think it's dark knight and

[Charlamagne Tha God]

inception is this interstellar's pretty interstellar interstellar

[Taylor]

is pretty fire but i like inception

[Andrew Schultz]

interstellar one of the greatest movies yo i did i tell you about this movie i saw no i think i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

told you last week inception's a ten interstellar's a ten project hail mary did

[Andrew Schultz]

i talk about that last week or

[Charlamagne Tha God]

two weeks ago it's new no this

[Andrew Schultz]

is the ryan gosling space movie i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

think i saw that oh my god this movie's fucking incredible it's out now

[Andrew Schultz]

it was out already it made hundreds of millions of dollars i was like how's this movie making all this fucking money what's it called it's called project project hail mary i seen this shit no unbelievable really it's by the same dude who wrote the book the martian ooh andy weir he also wrote this wrote this book so they just made a movie about this one i was like how is there an audience for this i didn't get it i didn't realize it was based on the novel and it is so good i gotta

[Charlamagne Tha God]

watch it i gotta watch it but nolan got five tens spielberg definitely got five tens if you got five tens as a filmmaker bro you got we got to put you in elite category these guys are elite elite and we're

[Andrew Schultz]

talking about five undisputable is that the word indisputable indisputable indisputable tense we're not talking about like yeah yeah you know like some people that was my favorite but there's this is five indisputable tens

[Chris]

to be clear i would put tarantino in that i think tarantino is fantastic yes but the note is similar so when it's like in the world cup okay you guys have the same record now we got to go to goal scored okay you guys are tying that we got to go to whatever you know like at some point you got to keep breaking it down and then

[Charlamagne Tha God]

i feel like nolan's the same way

[Andrew Schultz]

though nolan has a similar tone yeah

[Charlamagne Tha God]

very much so i think he has

[Andrew Schultz]

a similar tone very much so all

[Charlamagne Tha God]

right let's pay some bills man cause

[Taylor]

he always does like the time jumping

[Andrew Schultz]

around stuff right messes with time messes

[Taylor]

with

[Charlamagne Tha God]

same actors same actresses a lot

[Andrew Schultz]

of times yo you know what i think that's about man what is that i wonder yeah i don't have a

[Charlamagne Tha God]

problem with that every great director did that like when you find these people that are like amused to you that's who you think about like think about spike lee and denzel think about scorsese

[Chris]

and i think that became scorsese's achilles heel i got tired of seeing like de niro and pacino and the irishman trying to make them look forty five when they're seventy five i was like just go find some fresh actors man

[Andrew Schultz]

so i think it's different for different directors but i think i think tarantino again i don't know enough this is me completely guessing i think nolan thinks he's so nice anybody could do it so i think that he's placing people in not that he's like they're going to bring something that i can't even believe is he i think he knows exactly what the movie is going to look like before it even begins and i think he's like all right who can who's not gonna fuck this up you know what i mean where i think there's some directors that are going i need like there's no way you could predict what jim carrey's gonna do you can't you can't predict it right he's like such an anomaly or like and there's other robert will robert robin williams or whatever like i'm using comedy but i'm sure there's other denzel for example like but i think with the nolan it's like he already has the movie in his head and he's like who do i know is going to deliver and if they deliver it's going to be the best thing does that make sense the difference at the same

[Taylor]

time isn't that a little bit of

[Andrew Schultz]

a crutch that the fact that he

[Taylor]

just went with every single a list

[Andrew Schultz]

actor so check it i think tarantino's the opposite i think tarantino likes to take a washed ass actor and go y' all thought john travolta is done

[Charlamagne Tha God]

let me show you something let me

[Andrew Schultz]

show you how nice i am but let me show you how nice i am that if i put him in my shit you're going to go this is the greatest actor of our but

[Charlamagne Tha God]

i don't think nolan just went and grabbed a bunch of a listers like he worked with damon before everybody in that movie he worked with yeah everybody and from what i was told he wanted christian bale to play odessen odyssean oh really i mean i read that i don't know if that's true or not i didn't see him say that

[Andrew Schultz]

but nobody says no bro he calls you there's a funny story but it

[Charlamagne Tha God]

was a reason bale couldn't do it

[Andrew Schultz]

though nobody said no bro but i

[Taylor]

just i would have been really impressed that's why that's part of the reason why i like game of thrones so much cause they don't take the big actors they can't afford it now you really focus on the story this was

[Charlamagne Tha God]

just like i didn't feel like that in this though i promise you when those guys popped up on the screen for a brief second you're like oh that's such and such and then you

[Andrew Schultz]

lose it i'm out of it but

[Taylor]

i think you lost it because there was just so many of them i

[Andrew Schultz]

don't think so every single actor and

[Taylor]

actress in there was top top a

[Charlamagne Tha God]

list every single one first of all let's be clear i'm black you didn't know most i didn't even know most okay i knew matt damon i knew charlie what's her name you got it you know what i'm saying i knew her i knew robert patterson and i

[Taylor]

say punisher okay and you knew the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

wife that was charlie darrow that wasn't charlie oh charlie darrow was the one who was piping on the island yeah i don't know who the fuck the wife is who's the wife what's her name anne hathaway exactly oh shit that

[Andrew Schultz]

was anne hathaway yeah wow she's a genius bro she's nice she's not smart

[Charlamagne Tha God]

enough to make us know who she

[Andrew Schultz]

is yet well you were not allowed to cause she's the white woman that's right that's right you know who lupita

[Charlamagne Tha God]

nyong' o was i did i didn't know who that she's mexican though we tend to forget that what you mean

[Chris]

that's true she's mexican her family immigrated to mexico from kentucky she's mexican i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

believe get the fuck yeah lupita nyongo's mexican i remember there was even a little controversy at one point because she was stressing that like that she's mexican

[Andrew Schultz]

her first language is whatever dialect she spoke from her family in kenya look it up i remember and spanish that's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

fine y' all didn't know that yeah

[Chris]

she was born in mexico city was raised in kenya from the age of

[Andrew Schultz]

three oh she's kenya come on bro she's she's world she's world cup mexican she's world cup mexican she could play for the team mexico but she didn't

[Charlamagne Tha God]

really spend no time there let's pay some bills man and talk about america other favorite me mexicans are on madani

[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

hezekiah walker

[Andrew Schultz]

you got church announcements yes sir i will be this weekend i'll be in brea california man thank you guys so much sorry for the inconvenience we switched those shows from last weekend to this weekend we had to move because filming switched on that movie so i'm so apologetic for the the inconvenience that that may have caused any of you guys you know but i really appreciate you guys thank you guys so much i'll see you there thursday friday saturday yeah we added two more shows also on thursday so try to make some more room for people who want to come out to to see the show and then halifax nova scotia august eighth we'll do that and then very soon i will be announcing a bunch more shows for the fall and you can go to my website right now and you can like sign up there's this thing where i can basically like text you guys and we'll give you the first chance to get all of the tickets to the shows so theandrewshells dot com right now you can go sign up to that and we'll just i want to make it so that you guys can get the tickets and i know there's a lot of these circumstances where when the clubs or these theaters or whatever it is release it you know you guys might find out when i talk about on a podcast or i post about it but other people have already gotten there so this will give you guys a window where you're the first persons to actually first people to actually be able to buy the tickets so theatershults dot com for all of

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that thank you yes man my church announcement illuminati my comic book is now out in the full graphic oh you know i dropped a five series comic book last year called illuminati it told the story of lily you know who's an aspiring musician who went out to la to bury her sister jackie jackie was a rising pop star who died from a drug overdose but lily feels like there's more to jackie's death than people are you know leading onto so she goes on this investigation that causes her to end up discovering that dark underbelly of the music industry okay lily uncovers a centuries old conspiracy that grants fame and fortune at a terrible price they want york okay and yes the illuminati is real and lily is about to learn that the hard way so that's what this book is about illuminati yes i'm playing in your face playing right in your face this book may or may not be based on a true story okay but it did very well when it came out as a comic book man so it came out last tuesday as a graphic novel so you can go get it on barnes and noble you can go get it at barnes and nobles go get it at amazon you can go to awastudios dot com i know it's sold out on amazon sold out on barnes and nobles but you could still get it on awastudio dot com comma but it's available everywhere you buy books comic book stores all of that good stuff man illuminati yes playing in your face okay it says right here the black illuminati will be revealed all right stop making your youtube conspiracy theory videos and actually go pick up this book and read it and say charlamagne is playing in our face again illuminati available everywhere now now shotzi yes sir did you see hunter biden say that everybody in washington that's republican is gay

[Andrew Schultz]

yeah i didn't see him say everybody but he basically said there's a undercover gay mafia i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

don't like him taking doctor umar's talking points and using them for himself man this feels very you know elvis presley doing rock and roll after he heard jimi hendrix do it nami you know

[Andrew Schultz]

a white boy is popping when charlamagne hates him you know a white boy is popping when charlamagne is cutting his

[Charlamagne Tha God]

legs let's listen to it tell me tell me you haven't heard this before

[Andrew Schultz]

listen everybody knows there is like this

[Charlamagne Tha God]

closeted gay mafia largely republican that exists in washington dc and everybody knows every single one of them who who's gay and so it's in in what i believe the the only reason that that is relevant is because i believe that internal conflict creates so much vitriol inside

[Andrew Schultz]

a person that they take it out on the rest of the world and

[Charlamagne Tha God]

they do and so what they do is their whole lives they've been closeted until you have this like black ball inside yourself this blackened heart by the fact that you can't be who you want to be and so you take

[Andrew Schultz]

it out on everybody else and these

[Charlamagne Tha God]

men largely men have done exactly that and everybody knows who they are everybody yeah the fact that he would wait until lindsey graham passed away to start talking like this is so disrespectful have that conversation while he's rest in peace you know what i'm saying like you don't think that's disrespectful yo it is

[Andrew Schultz]

also funny that he's like

[Charlamagne Tha God]

call somebody gay and say there's black balls in

[Andrew Schultz]

them no no but that's also funny no like they can't be gay they can't be gay and an asshole no

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that's how you become gay by being

[Andrew Schultz]

in an asshole no that's that is true but what he's trying to say is the reason that they have these politics that are horrible that he disagrees with is because they're closeted and won't accept themselves and they're putting that hate out on the world he can't conceptualize that there are gay people that also might believe all these things politically the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

thing about hunter biden is he's not saying anything and there's this thing going on amongst liberals right now a lot of talking points that people have been saying for the last decade plus a lot of the more mainstream ones are starting to adopt and they're like that like how many times have we heard there's gay by the way not just republican but definitely republican that the republicans are gay and closeted and that's why they're so anti lgbtq this has been a talking point amongst us forever so now to see somebody like hunter biden go out there and use that talking point the other day i saw joanne reed saying i don't want to misquote joy let me pull joy up hold on joanne reed gives maine democrats permission to not vote if party replaces graham plantner with a moderate okay after graham plantner suspended his main senate campaign on wednesday telling voters they have her permission to not vote if leadership opts to replace the progressive candidate with a more moderate option progressives picked platner so you

[Andrew Schultz]

need to replace him with somebody who

[Charlamagne Tha God]

is ideologically the same because that is

[Andrew Schultz]

what was decided the people of maine the vote the democratic voters of maine

[Charlamagne Tha God]

said we want a progressive they did

[Andrew Schultz]

not say they want an apac moderate so the democratic party in maine ought

[Charlamagne Tha God]

to pick someone who is ideologically the same or ideologically similar as platner if

[Andrew Schultz]

you don't and the dnc shoves an

[Charlamagne Tha God]

apac candidate down your throat you have

[Andrew Schultz]

my permission and i vote for them

[Charlamagne Tha God]

because the democratic party needs to learn that it is not vote blue no matter who it matters who they sometimes need to lose in order to learn sometimes when you lose you learn when you hear stuff like joanne reid when you hear stuff like hunter biden i just feel like that is where people people have been having those conversations it feels like a lot of these conversations

[Chris]

are late well i don't know i see them separately i mean i don't know why joy anne reid no disrespect is saying that you know support of aipac is the biggest fundamental issue for people in maine i don't believe that to be true right like no i

[Charlamagne Tha God]

believe that aipac yeah yeah that's maine

[Andrew Schultz]

it's a big issue you're missing it

[Charlamagne Tha God]

again chris you're missing it just like you missed the trans stuff last time it's a big issue bro remember how republicans were harping on the trans issue and that became like a real sticking point remember that democrats are doing that now with aipac they're like yo if a candidate feels like if a candidate is supported by aipac we're not supporting

[Chris]

all right then walk me through it cause i don't understand why it's just

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that simple because they feel like genocide

[Andrew Schultz]

in gaza i don't think it's about the war in gaza i think it's about like autonomy over your country's decisions in foreign policy and the feeling i think that probably a lot of people have is that apec candidates are gonna push them to do things that are not in the best interests of america but are the best interests in israel and i think a lot of americans are probably pushing back against that idea why are we involved in this why are we continuing to support this why

[Charlamagne Tha God]

are we beholden to another country exactly

[Andrew Schultz]

so i think that specifically is a pushback i don't know if maine i don't know how much the people in maine are caring about specifically what is happening in israel gaza but they might be looking at other circumstances and being like oh are we influenced to go into iran are we influenced to continue this war what are we doing and how much money are we spending and why is that money not going to

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the american people it's really just that simple and what joanne reid is talking about in regards to maine that is how people feel all across the country that's why right now the best communicator in the democratic party is zoran mandani not only is zoran mandani saying all the things that need to be said he's actually establishing a track record in new york city of getting things done and that shit he did with netanyahu last week listen you don't have to be a democrat and adopt that rhetoric but boy let him cook because that shit is impactful because on the campaign trail he was saying he wanted to get netanyahu locked up because he said netanyahu is a war criminal who has a restaurant out there from what's the organization international what is it chris chris icc icc chris is shrugging his shoulders because chris for whatever reason doesn't understand politics this is good politics chris it's a good stunt it's a good strategy it riles people up it gets the

[Andrew Schultz]

people going it is a political stunt

[Charlamagne Tha God]

who is the guy that constantly is talking about locking up his political opponents you don't want to learn nothing from trump because y' all hate him so bad but the reality is he says things that are sticky that get the people going and i said this before mandani adopted a lot of trump's rhetoric

[Andrew Schultz]

i did a piece about this i think he's the left trump in a lot of ways he does much more

[Chris]

articulate i fuck with mandani i like him a lot this was too performative

[Andrew Schultz]

for me benjamin netanyahu is a war criminal the architect of a horrific genocide against the palestinian people he is responsible for the killing of more than seventy three thousand people for the maiming of tens of thousands of children as those who survive undergo amputation without anesthesia for the targeting of neonatal hospitals and maternity care centers denying newborns even the chance to live for the countless people he starved as he blocked food and humanitarian aid from reaching them for the gunning down of hundreds of aid workers and journalists and just last month the un confirmed that palestinian children continued to be deliberately targeted and killed by israeli armed forces more than eight months after the so called ceasefire the list goes on and on all as we as americans pay for the bombs that do the killing there is a reason the international criminal court issued a warrant for his arrest as human beings we have spent generations building a shared understanding that there are crimes so grave they offend all of humanity anyone with their eyes with their heart with their conscience should recognize the devastation he has wrought and understand that he belongs before a court of

[Chris]

law what was the defining moment of mandani when he ran for office what was his defining moment affordability no what

[Charlamagne Tha God]

do you mean oh when he was on the debate stage focus on new

[Chris]

york stage and what'd he say i'm gonna focus on new york are you gonna go to israel and what'd he

[Andrew Schultz]

say yeah i'm focus on new york

[Chris]

he was the one guy that stood up i'm the fucking mayor of new york city what the fuck am i gonna go to israel for but this

[Charlamagne Tha God]

was rooted in new york he said if netanyahu comes to new york it's

[Chris]

not the job of a mayor to

[Charlamagne Tha God]

arrest yo he's trying to keep the best new york stomach going let him

[Andrew Schultz]

cook yo y' all not letting him

[Charlamagne Tha God]

cook let him cook if bibi netanyahu

[Chris]

is conspicuous criminal i'm just saying turn

[Charlamagne Tha God]

down the heat a little why if there's an arrest warrant for bibi netanyahu

[Andrew Schultz]

we're having two different conversations why not say charlamagne is having the marketing conversation that's all it is and charlamagne has has long spoken about how bad the democrats are with marketing and messaging right so this to him is a magnificent and brilliant marketing and messaging move especially if the party and the constituents want to feel like there are candidates that are brave enough to push back against

[Charlamagne Tha God]

it against the establishment the biggest and

[Andrew Schultz]

the establishment and this is this is an example of pushing back with is it is it is it a what's it called a bullet that's not a real bullet what is that called you can't even do it yeah i know what is that called where it's like a rubber bullet it's not even a rubber bullet it's just a fake bullet like is it i don't know is it is it an empty threat yes it's an empty threat and he's acknowledging that the threat is empty but the messaging meets the constituents and they get riled up about it and they really like it and they're supported by it

[Chris]

okay so i think what i'm really saying is i'll concede all that you

[Andrew Schultz]

know it's build a wall right yes

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that's all it is yes a new

[Chris]

leader okay so let me build a wall immigration was a very effective marketing campaign let's call it messaging for trump because i think people really wanted that and he tapped into something my concern is the democratic left whatever you want to call it is about to eat itself alive if israel continues to be the defining issue for the party right i feel the defining issues for the party right now is trump is literally dismantling democracy in this country day by day step by step it's happening at an incredibly fast pace the job is get him out of here and then you figure that stuff out and i know that might sound very cold when you're talking about people who are getting slaughtered killed by bombs paid for by us dollars i understand all that i think the future of the country is at stake and everybody should be united

[Charlamagne Tha God]

so let's take out that helps to

[Andrew Schultz]

get him out here let me say one thing let's assume that that is true like no pushback right obviously egregious overstepping the corruption to another level not i mean not even including like another fucking potentially endless war like everything only sixty seven billion again zero pushback to what you're saying thing but the question that we have to answer right now is is what you're feeling yeah what the average person is feeling right and what they're upset about yeah and i would gamble yeah that mamdani is more aware of what his constituents care about yes than what you are even if you are more right in what is best for the country country so the

[Chris]

only path for what i'm calling for is basically trojan horse we're throwing israel under the bus it's done it's not

[Charlamagne Tha God]

throwing israel under the bus we're not throwing under the bus it's throwing bibi netanyahu under the bus we're going to

[Chris]

israel it's over whatever relationship has existed

[Charlamagne Tha God]

has banned and this is what they feel they're throwing bibi netanyahu under the bus who's a corrupt leader and they're throwing aipac under the bus who they feel is organization who funds all of these candidates who don't have the best interests of the people i can't argue with that so that's what he what he's doing by highlighting this it makes donald trump then have to come to the defense of bibi netanyahu so you're coming to the defense so this is a rope a dope yes you're coming to the defense of an international war criminal who's responsible for all these babies being killed in gaza so i'm saying i'm going to arrest that international war criminal if he steps foot in new york city or at least i'm going to see if i can which he knows he can't and now this administration has to come to the defense of these people that we know that they're

[Andrew Schultz]

beholden to it's actually brilliant it's chess now does it eventually lead to your intended goal potentially maybe i think so maybe not but in terms of marketing and understanding what the base wants and not only what his base wants but potentially what the republican base is frustrated with the republicans for right now you cause a fracture within that base right so to me it seems like a smart political strategy i think what i

[Taylor]

was just going to say i started this agreeing with chris where just like i didn't really like that move but after hearing it put that way now i understand it better yeah the reason why i dislike it because like he has been the hey i'm focusing on the issues guy like they're trying to throw him off and he's like oh what about iran what about this and he's like no the issue is new york and i'm getting shit done and he's been doing that he's getting stuff done he's showing you the work like ignore the noise because this is hoopla this is shit that you can't even do you know you can't even do that so why invite this noise to distract you from just focusing on new

[Charlamagne Tha God]

york because he's looking at the bigger it's political capital i get it november's right around the corner you need to democrats need as much political capital as

[Andrew Schultz]

they can get and the reality is that like he has limitations in terms of how high he can ascend in the united states of america simply because he wasn't born here so can he be president no but can he gain enough political capital where he is the face of the party then he can insert people in these positions of power that he might not have but now his ideas get to permeate through those

[Charlamagne Tha God]

figures there was a point where i didn't think zoran mandani could be effective all around the country and i still i still am leery about that especially when it comes to where i'm from in the south you know what i'm saying i'm born and raised south carolina right i don't know if zoram mandani can connect with those older black voters in the south i'm not sure he can but i know that those young voters that you want to rile up around the country for the midterms you're going to need his voice and if he keeps doing stuff like this let him talk to that audience that's the problem with democrats they call themselves a big tent but they want everybody to be on one message no if everybody's a big tent let this group talk to this group and let that group talk to this group and this group y' all go down there and talk to this group there shouldn't be a fake shit should be like the nba right now it should be multiple people that represent this one party so mamdani's

[Andrew Schultz]

credit when asked about this he said that he would work with people within the party that he disagreed with like even on issues which i thought was like a smart political statement i don't know if his supporters will support that eventually he's going to be in a position where he's supporting a candidate that might be pro israel or something like that but it's for the benefit of the democratic party and we'll see if he's willing to do that because they agree on other issues you got to

[Charlamagne Tha God]

show you're willing to fight these people

[Andrew Schultz]

in your own party but well but also if you actually want the big tent which i think has been an issue probably for liberalism or democrats in general which is like there's certain things that we cannot accept and if you do this we cannot allow you to be in it and you might even say like is also the problem of the republican party it's like it's too big a tent it's just like hey you agree we should lower taxes you're a serial killer all right bro you you think taxes should be lower right like they'll accept anybody and the democrats will accept too few there's two like a too myopic view so you know what ends up happening i don't know who knows but like that's going to take some real political capital to get people in your party to trust that you are making a decision even if it goes against kind of what they

[Charlamagne Tha God]

believe but that's why zoran is effective yeah he bucks the system let him

[Taylor]

buck and he's gaining the trust of everybody because he's like hey i'm running i'm going to do this this and this checking each one of these things

[Andrew Schultz]

off what are the things that you feel like he's checked off for you

[Taylor]

that like reese rent yep daycare in new york city daycare what's it called

[Andrew Schultz]

did they do the daycare though yeah

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that was like one of the first

[Taylor]

things he got back that's in effect oh they did affordable housing they're building more they're targeting shitty landlords like the like the slum lords and stuff like that yep the supermarkets whatever that i don't know that's not going to affect me that much but the fact that he ran on it and he's actually putting it into effect when they said hey you're not going to be able to do this first one's going to be opened up i believe later this

[Chris]

year so it's like you also balance

[Andrew Schultz]

the budget yeah but not really as

[Chris]

much as any of those but come

[Charlamagne Tha God]

on yo you helped them win yo cut it out cut it the fuck

[Andrew Schultz]

out i helped everybody win can i get some credit though yeah but my thing is how often do we get

[Taylor]

politicians that run on stuff and actually do it so the fact that he's doing it he's actually getting the trust

[Andrew Schultz]

of people i'm not saying he's not i'm saying what is the effective thing

[Charlamagne Tha God]

for you i think he's got a lot of things done in new york and i think he's the most effective messenger fantastic in the democratic party especially to a group of people who were completely soured on the party you got a whole swap of people that's like

[Andrew Schultz]

fuck the democrats but they were soured

[Charlamagne Tha God]

on the party that are democrats but

[Andrew Schultz]

they were soured on the party because the party refused to acknowledge what the people wanted and they kept stuffing in candidates that the people didn't want that's right and that's how you sour a party when this is a democracy at the end of the day you have to listen to the people let mondani

[Charlamagne Tha God]

cook i don't need mondani to be like josh shapiro i don't need joshua pirro to be like gavin newsom i don't need gavin newsom to be like jasmine i don't need any of them to be alike i just need all of them to energize with whoever they energize i want them to get behind

[Chris]

somebody eventually yeah do you think they'll

[Andrew Schultz]

all be able to do that of course they will well that's i don't know i think this is going to

[Chris]

be an end suppose josh shapiro's the nominee in twenty eight and he takes let's call it a kamala esque approach

[Charlamagne Tha God]

to israel where he's not taking no kamala es well he can't go no no no this is the thing let's talk about that josh shapiro was one of the first people taking bibi netanyahu to task josh shapiro was one of the first people calling bb netanyahu out go check the record i personally believe

[Andrew Schultz]

benjamin netanyahu is one of the worst leaders of all time and has steered israel in a wrong direction and made israel less safe and made their future less bright because of his leadership like

[Charlamagne Tha God]

he's all he's never rocked with bibi netanyahu so if you actually listen to the candidate if he becomes the candidate if you actually listen to him in the nuance and go back and look at his track record you'll see he's always called bibi netanyahu out the question

[Andrew Schultz]

is is that an enough no because

[Charlamagne Tha God]

they're going to say he's so pro israel which he i mean why he's

[Andrew Schultz]

jewish but but that so that's and

[Charlamagne Tha God]

what's wrong with being pro israel i think there's a difference between being pro israeli current government bibi netanyahu and being pro israel well i'm pro america but

[Andrew Schultz]

i'm not pro trump right so the question is does the party recognize that difference and i i think that the people that are in control and are empowered in the party like i think if you ask mamdani if he's pro israel he says no like straight up like i think he views it as

[Chris]

a they've asked him that actually yeah

[Andrew Schultz]

and he says i don't remember he

[Taylor]

says he believes in equal state two

[Andrew Schultz]

equal states no no he says i don't believe in any state that does not have equality for its citizens and he doesn't view israel as having equal rights for its citizens citizens so that's his elegant way of saying no i mean he speaks in like a way depends on how he advocates for a

[Chris]

state with equal rights stating that he cannot support any nation whether it is israel or saudi arabia that legally privileges a specific religion exactly what's wrong with

[Andrew Schultz]

that well there's nothing wrong with his statement but what he's basically saying is that as long as there aren't equal rights i won't support it and now you're going to get into the minutia of equal rights which is if you're jewish you have the right to return to israel but let's say you're a christian and all of your family comes from the land of israel you don't have the right to return as a christian so that might be a separation of rights because it exists as a jewish state i think if you ask zoron honestly do do you believe in a jewish state that is israel i think if i think in his most honest moment he would be like not in the current structure of the government if the government did reflect complete you know equal rights for everybody then sure but then it wouldn't be a jewish state probably again i don't want to speak for him but i imagine so there there you go now you're going to have the the party is going to have some trickiness and then that's where will zoron get behind somebody who is like yo i believe in supporting the state and i believe given weapons i also believe in all these other progressive values for america that zoran agrees with will he step over that line that might be a red line for

[Charlamagne Tha God]

him what does shapiro say about netanyahu pull that up chris because i mean you know it's a fine time to start talking about guys like this because they are going to be the ones that are in the running okay so

[Andrew Schultz]

yeah who do you think it is

[Charlamagne Tha God]

i don't know who the actual candidate's gonna be but i mean shapiro's definitely gonna be one of the one of the candidates when the primary happens shapiro

[Chris]

has explicitly called netianu if i'm saying his name correctly i'm probably not a quote horrible leader who is steering israel in a dangerous direction he regularly criticizes bibi's rhetoric particularly slamming his denial of the starvation crisis in gaza as abhorrent and wrong but the question he was

[Charlamagne Tha God]

saying that before october seventh the question

[Andrew Schultz]

is is that enough i don't you're right i don't think that that will satisfy the appetite you're right i think that i think that there was a time where it would simply speaking out against the leadership and then the actions of the government i feel like it has shifted even further now where it's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

just like now you got to threaten to get him arrested if he steps on american soil because he's an international

[Chris]

war criminal and this year march i guess shapiro went on a podcast tour where according to the hill he's leaning into his support of israel quote for those who begin by suggesting that israel doesn't have the right to exist as a jewish state i think that is a recipe for permanent war shapiro said

[Charlamagne Tha God]

he's a jewish man what do you want like i don't that's the wildest thing to me why wouldn't you expect a jewish man to rep for his homeland here's the you cannot like the government and the leadership but still rep

[Chris]

for your homeland i get it i'm guilty of the same thing the reason i'll give him because it's common sense

[Andrew Schultz]

to me sure but that might not be enough for the party and what

[Chris]

the party wants that's kind of my

[Charlamagne Tha God]

bigger question the concern is so let mandani cook and try to get the mandanis of the world on your side because when the mandanis of the world endorse you and say this is our guy he's already done that heavy lifting for you so you don't have to

[Andrew Schultz]

here's an example chris come on that

[Charlamagne Tha God]

shouldn't be an aha moment come on

[Andrew Schultz]

here's an example there was this there was this kennedy nepo baby that was running that was like tiktok popular his name was jack schlossberger barely tiktok popular no he was really popular at one point yeah and he was like he was a progressive darling on tiktok and there was this girl that like interviewed him and now to be fair not a good candidate never had a real job like never had any you know purpose to be only there because he's a kennedy he's only there because he's a kennedy and because he was making tiktok and like the young progressives got behind him because they were like this guy's a progressive and he's a candidate it's like all worlds are working perfectly and you know in his mind he's like okay i've never had a job and like this is my destiny i should do what my family did or whatever and he got interviewed by a girl i think her name is crackhead barbie or something like that oh yeah i remember her and she was like brooklyn right i think she is like say free palestine jack or something like that she's literally in like a powdered wig she's in the same thing and he goes wild i can't say that campaign nose dives i think he was the front runner at one point campaign nose dives loses the election and i think that for the progressive especially in new york i don't know what it's like in maine but especially in new york that has seemingly turned into an issue where if you are not on the right side of it they will not support you so and he and his thing wasn't his like i believe in giving defensive weapons he wasn't even like yes everything they're doing he said all the things he said bb's bad he said all this shit but we should give defensive weapons and that was they were calling him genocide jack yes

[Chris]

something smells a little something smells a little dangerous to me right now dangerous in what way and maybe again this is the genetic if chris can smell

[Andrew Schultz]

it you know

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that was a lob

[Chris]

by the way that's a lob but i don't like that i don't like this kind of all or nothing say it say it say it you know

[Charlamagne Tha God]

i agree get in line with the

[Chris]

party if you don't say it you're out of here we can't support you

[Charlamagne Tha God]

it's the same lack of nuance that has been destroying things for the last decade i agree with that i don't

[Andrew Schultz]

like it but this is the achilles heel of the party yes right and

[Chris]

this is the well it's the same on the right it's just trump for

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the last ten years and if you

[Andrew Schultz]

don't say it well i would say

[Chris]

and you're saying cracks along the same fault line which is of course israel which then again the jew in me is like why has israel become the fault line that connects these two things on opposite ends of the spectrum right now you could say in response to that false cuz they're fucking bombing babies

[Andrew Schultz]

i don't think they've done themselves exactly

[Charlamagne Tha God]

what it is i don't think they've

[Andrew Schultz]

done themselves any favorite universe right like you're seeing footage in four k that like if you see it's very difficult to get behind you're also seeing like policy decisions from our government that don't seem to be prioritizing like american citizens and i think you saw this like even with the us aid stuff right like initially this idea there was a visceral reaction from a lot of americans and it was handled poorly and all that stuff but this idea that like wait how much money is going abroad to these random causes yeah and then the way that it was done and it just with an ax and not really understanding of course but there's always

[Chris]

been and i don't want to diminish how people feel about it because obviously it's a very real and serious situation but there've always been these causes internationally that a particular moment capture let's say the far left's kind of passions and intentions when i was a kid it was central sandinista nicaragua you know all these places that joseph kony right we had put money into the coups there we had propped up dictatorships sure and there was energy around it but it was never anywhere and maybe this is because of social media maybe the landscape's changed this is a different type of energy and it's inflexible and yes there's something that doesn't feel all the way but again this could just be me being you know i don't know i have some internal stuff i gotta work

[Andrew Schultz]

on you're gonna have a greater sensitivity to it sure given your experience and the experience of like your family sure just like you guys are gonna have a greater sensitivity to things that might appear to be oppressive or racist towards black people that some white person be like why do you even think it would happen that's got nothing to do with like the way that you guys might see and this is not to create an even correlation but this is just like an understanding it's like like the way that you guys might interpret a dei thing right is going to be so different than some white guy who's just like yeah it's just let everybody get the job like we can't whereas you guys might go whoa versus dei then they're never going to hire us and this is their way of just getting it back to all white boys in power in positions of authority right like so there's going to be certain sensitivities that people have given the things that impact them and it's look

[Chris]

i've been in a couple of events recently where they weren't rallies they weren't aren't pro palestinian events but just kind of spontaneously or you know they start free palestine chants and i'm kind of

[Charlamagne Tha God]

like it's a hot button issue looking

[Chris]

around like do i need you know i might need to get out of here my wife is like relax man

[Charlamagne Tha God]

like well that's relaxed i know karate

[Andrew Schultz]

that's what you gonna do now relax i know karate i didn't say that

[Chris]

we're gonna let that stand but shame

[Andrew Schultz]

on you it's kung fu okay karate's the japanese shame on you but yeah i think i think the yeah yeah i think there's probably a lot of people that share your sentiment chris of course what do i know and this is the tricky thing because even as we sit here and i'm like trying to navigate this conversation you're dealing with at least as if i've witnessed which is like like two completely different knowledge sets on the internet sure and both do not exist within the same reality

[Charlamagne Tha God]

and some aren't even real some are bots that are going to take this conversation and flip it bounce it one

[Andrew Schultz]

hundred percent and everybody put out something else that we didn't even say every one of the countries that views us as their opposition or we view them as our opposition is inflaming this controversy and this conversation the worst possible way here because it benefits them that we're more divided it but like even as i'm trying to navigate this i'm i'm it's so it's fruitless in a lot of ways because when you have two completely different knowledge sets about what's happening it's like it's like debating history with two people that don't share the same version of history oh absolutely you know what i mean and so it's like you want to have a like a an open discourse about it but simply presenting something in a way like for you you heard free palestine in your brain you're like does that mean they want to kill me right i'm sure there's people who hear the term free palestine they're like hey we just want them what's the opposite of free pals enslaved palestine nobody wants people to be enslaved so why is this term so terrifying to you right like why are

[Charlamagne Tha God]

you why are you i think it's

[Chris]

also interesting because i'm someone who is very much against aipac and a very much you know so politically i'm even aligned with the sentiment i think it's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the energy i think they lose you when they stop having nuanced conversations chris right when they just generalize all jewish people in all of israel sure

[Andrew Schultz]

it's not even generalized conversation it's like people get lost when they're not even having the same conversation and i'm telling you trust me and it's been like absolutely demoralizing the last year having conversations with people because i genuinely really enjoy doing it but when i have conversations with people on different sides of the aisle that i genuinely respect and find intelligent i go wow you guys are in two different worlds like there's no way there's no way even having this discourse publicly would be able to work because you wouldn't convince any of your people

[Chris]

are retreating back to this very primal and look to be clear i said on both sides yeah i said what i said about free palestine some of my most absolutely frustrating conversations have been with other jews who i considered rational smart nuanced people who are talking like fucking cavemen to me you know like i have a friend who's arguing about like well it's not technically genocide because in order for it to be genocide you know thirteen point four percent of the of the populace and i'm like

[Charlamagne Tha God]

like do you hear what you're like

[Chris]

trying to parse this in percentages it's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

tens of thousands of innocent the fact

[Chris]

that you're even taking the stance means that it's horribly wrong we don't gotta

[Charlamagne Tha God]

get in the language yeah it's like

[Chris]

crazy that you're even trying this argument

[Charlamagne Tha God]

with me thousands of babies being killed like that should be like that's it

[Chris]

he's like yeah but technically the amount of percentage of jews killed on october seventh represents just like i can't i can't listen to this shit like again

[Andrew Schultz]

this is this is one of these things where it's like i promise you even this very podcast there will be excerpts people will hear exactly they will clip it to their advantage and people will monetize it and people do reaction

[Chris]

videos this was a nuanced conversation it always is on the brilliant nuanced conversation

[Charlamagne Tha God]

we're all we're the most nuanced people

[Andrew Schultz]

out here and that's why we're clipped of the most yes because we're actually willing to have conversations with people we might disagree with like like zoron is a perfect example unbelievably skilled like so skilled beautifully articulate and his ability to communicate do i disagree on certain like economic decisions that he's making you know for example like do i think freezing the rent actually hurts more people yes but do i agree with him on the sentiment that like rent is crushing people and we need to do something to help it i think the only thing that will actually help it in the long term is building more units

[Charlamagne Tha God]

doing it they're doing that too though

[Andrew Schultz]

well they're they're technically doing it but in order to actually do it you're gonna have to raise money i mean i don't want to get into build

[Chris]

me some middle class while you're at

[Andrew Schultz]

it no no of course of course i guess what i'm saying like again in order to actually erect these structures it's going to be difficult require a lot of government money which can require more taxes and if you want to do it in the private sector you don't have incentive structure for it if you're going to keep the rents low again i don't want to bore people with the details of this but like i've asked all my buddies in real estate like why don't we just build more units like this is the greatest city in the world why can't we just get those up because to me my fear is if you freeze rents for half the city well what kind of pressure does that put on the free market rents these are frozen nobody's leaving those so these over here are gonna go way higher that's basic economics even a dumb guy like me can

[Charlamagne Tha God]

understand that you know another thing i was thinking though like there really isn't too many places to build in new york and i i forgot what building it was recently that they were building something on it buckled that's the one in midtown yeah that that is that is the other problem with new york city you know what i'm saying i

[Andrew Schultz]

mean just to i guess to button that point is like like i agree i agree with him on the ethos of it and i felt this way about bernie too it's like i agree with where your heart is on this issue how we actually solve the issue the prescription for that pain maybe we have disagreements on how to get there but at least your heart is in

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the right place but you know what i like about it some people's heart ain't even in the right place so it's like exactly but you know what i like about him not only did he talk it he's at least trying to walk it yeah you don't have to agree with the direction he's walking in but boy he's in there at least trying he's doing something we don't know if that shit going to work or not but he's trying look we see motherfuckers tell us they gonna do something get in and don't even try you're like yo what happened to that

[Andrew Schultz]

yeah yeah i heard like there was another one that like i heard come about and like it was the pied a terre tax did you guys hear about that so it's like people that have i'm not trying to get you people have a second home in new york they're not new yorkers that got a second home but someone from outside new york they got a second home in new york york and i think it was like there was going to be a tax levied against it for any apartment that was worth more than i think fifty million five million bucks or something like that and i was like that's a really interesting idea because there are probably all these people that have a second or third home in new york that now that home can't be rented by people who really need to create more we need to create more units and here's an example of it's just going empty and like at least you know benefit the city in some way but here's the thing it's like a five million dollars home how many middle class or poor or working class people can't afford to buy a

[Charlamagne Tha God]

random five million dollars home that's how

[Chris]

you make it so they don't buy it in the first place because the big problem with new york chris real

[Andrew Schultz]

quick just just to for that point so they don't buy it and what i know

[Chris]

in russia and china and all these countries stash who are liquid in those countries yeah yeah those are unstable countries it's so much safer to put it in american real estate and half the money is corrupt anyway so hey is it five million for that apartment sure i'll pay that ten fifteen yeah yeah it's artificially inflated the entire market so it's it's a way to try to to do what to make it slightly less attractive to those guys maybe they'll go put that but what

[Andrew Schultz]

does that do for the people who actually are suffering under the rent crap crisis in new york you're right because

[Chris]

the distance between whatever the market rate

[Andrew Schultz]

can i tell you what what it actually does in actuality what it does what so i have a friend of mine he's very very successful guy and he spends an exorbitant amount of money per month in rent right once he heard about that pierre terror tax he literally told his landlord you're going to have to take thirty percent off of my rent price and then he goes what are you talking about he goes nobody's going to afford this because there's about to be one hundred two hundred units that enter the market right here at luxury level levels so all so what it's doing is it's saving the wealthiest people in the city money the wealthiest people who choose to rent that are in new york city because they're luxury places now if he did it for everything under above five hundred thousand dollars all of a sudden you would have all these middle class units and even working class units that would open up because now a guy who lives in san francisco most of the year wouldn't keep an apartment in new york that he's only in three weekends as an investment property that's no one's there there then those went out to the market so to that point i would be like well that's an interesting thing that's really going to create what we would call liquidity in the market yeah

[Taylor]

i think you're kind of focusing on the wrong thing because if you're trying to hey let's tax the rich but we have no way of taxing them because they find ways to get around the tax it's like hey this is something that's only going to affect rich people and it will bring more money into the city it's not about opening

[Andrew Schultz]

these apartments so if it's not about opening the apartments but finding a way to levy attacks against wealthy people then that's totally fine yeah i think what i saw the marketing as is finding a way to open more units so what it does is effectively is it taxes those people right and the the wealthy people if they're willing to pay it they pay the tax if they're not willing to pay it all it does is create luxury condos that are cheaper for the wealthiest people still whoever

[Taylor]

buys them eventually will have to pay that tax so even if it goes

[Andrew Schultz]

to somebody else only if it's a

[Taylor]

pity care like if it's their second

[Andrew Schultz]

home only if it's their second home okay and only if it's their second home and you don't live in new york city so this is a per example of like i agree with the ethos behind it like i i like it and i actually that is a there's a compelling thing there and they're trying they're trying to figure things out and i give credit in that regard but the prescription for the problem i don't know if it ends up helping the middle class people and the working class people that are really being crushed by rent here because that's not a joke like they are let's see what

[Charlamagne Tha God]

happens yeah that's all we can do let's do some asking idiots man you have one more one more what man yeah y' all ain't got no bip in a minute bro i'm glad y' all got that bip just now yo mars man come on sean no bip's an acronym brilliant idiot politics that's all you just gave him some bip little

[Andrew Schultz]

bip he got a little bip you

[Charlamagne Tha God]

know like that little bip you gotta do it better man what do you mean that's not a bip filling out

[Taylor]

the blue it gotta be in the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

discussion we ain't fed the fucking political blogs or whatever the fuck you call them shit in a minute political clippers this episode is brought to you by facebook so you were scrolling on marketplace

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

ryan clark and ryan clark cam they bart scott but they also fired like one hundred fifty people behind the scenes the crazy thing about the espn thing and i've been saying this all week the way it was done to ryan seemed a bit strange right because he found out during the broadcast but i was told yes but i was told it was because it was about the

[Andrew Schultz]

leak that's okay so like that's super fucked up yes but i think the reason they did it is cause it

[Charlamagne Tha God]

was about the leak yeah that's what they said and so they pulled him to the side to let him know hey this is what's gonna happen blah blah blah cause they didn't want him to to see it i guess to

[Andrew Schultz]

that i would also say like tell him in the morning like what do

[Charlamagne Tha God]

you where would it leaked already he

[Andrew Schultz]

found out live on air no i'm saying tell him before he came to

[Charlamagne Tha God]

work oh yeah yeah yeah for sure

[Andrew Schultz]

for sure it felt like you didn't know it was gonna happen like to me it's still disrespectful and they leaked

[Charlamagne Tha God]

it to like outkick and shit like that like cause you know they wanted that conservative audience to jump on them like it was it was it was silly but here's the beautiful thing the pivot is popping you know what i mean cam newton funky friday cam newton four one cam's only been to espn for two years they went and grabbed cam cause cam was so hot doing what he was doing outside of fucking

[Andrew Schultz]

espn i didn't even know cam newton was on espn i thought he was doing his platform that's what i see

[Charlamagne Tha God]

most of the stuff exactly you see most of cam's stuff on his own platforms if i was ryan me channing and fred we together every day doing an hour of sports and putting it out and i'm still putting out my regular pivot episode every week where we're sitting down doing an interview but me channing and fred every day once a day doing an hour of sports y' all can do it on zoom i don't know if they all live in the same area i don't know what it is but they can get together and do an hour of sports and put it out as a podcast every day the pivot will take off even

[Andrew Schultz]

more i think the bigger question though is that has been kind of avoided by the firings is why is espn firing so many people every cause everybody's trying to save money well but yes but like the conversation is like ryan was fired or what did he do to get fired and was he beefing with this was it because he said that et cetera if fired one hundred

[Charlamagne Tha God]

fifty people behind the scenes i know

[Andrew Schultz]

i know i know what i'm saying is if i was a pr agency i would want people pushing this story about why certain people got fired so they're not talking about what may or may not be happening economically at the company that they gotta fire one hundred

[Charlamagne Tha God]

fifty people but espn does this like every year it feels like so if

[Andrew Schultz]

it's a common thing it's a common thing i i didn't know that they have that many did you know that

[Taylor]

no i didn't know i don't know

[Charlamagne Tha God]

i think it might have been one of the largest of late but espn has a heavy layoff rate got it yeah yeah yeah they have a heavy layoff rate it is so then it's

[Andrew Schultz]

nothing so if they do have a heavy layoff rate then it's not even a really big story right because this is just what they do i think

[Charlamagne Tha God]

it's the way it happened to ryan the fact that he was on air

[Andrew Schultz]

no that is that is that's the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

story they told him on air he doesn't finish the show i think that's the reason that you know ryan's situation took off and you know hold on i'll read you this i can read the statement that we got hold on cause they gave it to the breakfast

[Andrew Schultz]

you should have made people come to work to get fired that's not saying

[Chris]

that that's kind of unprofessional why would

[Andrew Schultz]

you have him don't make someone come to work to get fired most jobs

[Charlamagne Tha God]

do this is why like hr has

[Taylor]

to fire you in person this is

[Charlamagne Tha God]

one this was handled with the least amount of respect and dignity do it

[Andrew Schultz]

bro what you making him go to work for exactly he just really makes

[Charlamagne Tha God]

sense this is the statement we got got from breakfast club exclusive that we broke this earlier this week this was handled with the least amount of respect and dignity for a man who's worked as hard for a network as he has and been one of the faces head of espn burke magnus had it leaked the outkick as you know who celebrated and rallied conservatives the poor on support to control the narrative blindsided him while he was on air a company like disney broke the news to that outlet and then told ryan as he was on tv during break yet they were posting his takes from all day still on social media while this was happening to get views yeah it's not a money thing they still have to pay him we know why it is not because of his work ryan just won two emmys this year to total four and three years for them and to be let go during the show he won an emmy for and built and was on the top twenty five media powerhouses in every list that exists for being the most impactful some bullshit

[Andrew Schultz]

he gonna be fine though nah but

[Taylor]

that's another thing that goes on in corporate america that people aren't talking about all the major companies they do that a lot like they'll just they'll over hire and they'll pay a lot for their employees so people want to work there like the amazons like the metas and all these places but then they'll just go and just fire thousands of

[Charlamagne Tha God]

people that's the game and ryan still

[Taylor]

won't get paid fucked up way for a lot of people like there's no

[Charlamagne Tha God]

job security anymore that's why the best job security especially when you're in media is to have your own platform yeah have your own platform okay not everybody

[Taylor]

not everybody's front facing well shout out

[Charlamagne Tha God]

to the pippa for being front facing ryan has been front facing you know what i'm saying ryan can go anywhere and have a conversation and he got his own platform ryan will be fine and he's still getting paid by espn he gonna be fine all right let's do some asking idiots germanlizzald what's the next big thing after podcasting nothing just nothing nah that's not true i think i mean i think podcasting is just gonna continue to evolve like i think there's so many different ways to still do podcasts like i think that you know now you see a lot more genres other than just political podcasts coming out daily right and i think that the next thing you gonna see is some it's gonna be live like it's gonna be people doing their podcast live daily it's people doing that now breakfast breakfast we're not really a podcast we're a radio show but yeah but we're we've made a podcast i think the next thing that's gonna come from podcasting is you're gonna see a lot of this podcast talent get into other verticals meaning that you know what you saw with theo vaughn doing like busboy or like you know andrews in movies and stuff but i'm talking about actual ip created because of the actual podcast and the you know the podcast talent i think you're gonna going to see a lot more of that i just think you're going to see podcasting continue to grow and evolve because the talent in the podcast space is the talent it's the talent that has these niche audiences right that these built in audiences that support what they do and you're just going to see that podcasting talent just be in other spaces that's what i think

[Andrew Schultz]

i think you see television and film have an explosion yeah starring podcast

[Charlamagne Tha God]

talent say again starring podcast sure i

[Andrew Schultz]

think so i think not just podcast talent but i think like i think the i think that like i think that this the big movie studios are now going to race after every youtuber that's got a following oh yeah and i think they're going to cut checks and get them to throw stuff out there i think that they're going to so they're going to look at ip differently ip won't be like oh here's this comic book or here's this whatever it's novel it's going to be like oh here's this connection between creator and audience that's right and i think they're going to let them cook in that regard i think from that you're going to see a lot new ip that starts to come out i e the obsessions of the back rooms and i see you're going to you're going to see that proliferate you know film and i think you're going to see movies like when you go to the movie theater become more epic adventures so it's gonna be odyssey it's gonna be an avatar when you put a film in theaters it's gonna be something that warrants being in a movie theater that's right if you've got a little fun little rom com that's gonna stream if you have an experience that people in it it well yeah it has to be big it doesn't have to be a formula one movie it doesn't have to be big like that but it has to warrant the experience of going does it though house i think so cuz

[Charlamagne Tha God]

obsession kind of shattered that myth well

[Andrew Schultz]

that might warrant it but because obsession

[Charlamagne Tha God]

based off what you saying you go get these youtube stars who have this connection with their audience so so so

[Andrew Schultz]

for me for example like deep connectivity and like years of longing and waiting yeah equate to successfulness movie so if you have a super popular video game for example i'm wearing a street fighter but it's like okay people waiting decades to see this we hope they go out and see it in a theater that feels warranted if this is a brand new story that you thought of and you're a writer that nobody knows and you have nobody's heard of you but you're really talented you make your movie and you put it on apple you make a movie you put on netflix you make a movie and put it on amazon people can go find it if you're an author and you've sold twenty million copies of your book and now they're gonna make a movie about it put that shit in the theater you got twenty million people dying to see what this fucking looks like i think that's how cinema and tv

[Charlamagne Tha God]

change and i'm gonna tell you something else man you know everybody's been looking to see how like these you know all of these podcasts being on netflix was gonna impact the podcasting space edison media research put out the top fifty podcasts for quarter two in america and i found this very interesting the bill simmons podcast surged seventeen positions to break into the top twenty five for the first time and you know bill has been on netflix since january and bill not only comes on netflix he comes on live as well and bill i thought his strategy was good too because he comes on like he would come on after all the big sporting events so like big nfl playoff game he'd come on talk about the patriots you know big nba game he come on and talk about the nba finals all of that has helped his actual audio podcast grow breakfast club we're number eleven we've always been like top twenty but we've never been as high as eleven

[Andrew Schultz]

so it's helping you one hundred percent

[Charlamagne Tha God]

because breakfast club is listed under the podcast podcast department category at netflix yeah people go search the podcast for the audio as well yeah and it's helped everything grow so yeah man podcasting you say what's the next big thing after podcasting podcasting is still becoming the next

[Andrew Schultz]

big thing yeah yeah it's in its infancy for sure and it will change and affect things different way but in terms of like in terms of tv film this is what i would say or specifically in terms of film i think the days of a star actor opening up a movie just because he's a star actor are done oh i agree the movie itself needs to be something that draws people either through existing ip through a novel that it's based on a video game like that needs to be the draw or the director who's built up a track record of amazing quality movies you want to know

[Charlamagne Tha God]

how retarded i am tell me i had no idea all those a listers in the odyssey but you know i wanted to go see it because it was christopher nolan and i'm in fucking vegas and my man had the i'm like i'm gonna go see the odyssey and word of mouth because in one of my group chats on friday my dude rob salute to rob markman rob markman was like yo the odyssey was fire enough said that's it i'm a movie guy anyway i'm going to see the odyssey i didn't look to see who was starring in that as i'm watching it i'm like oh this person in there oh this but i went because it was christopher nolan and somebody told me christopher nolan just put out another fire movie yeah i'm there yeah

[Taylor]

i'm there yeah i think in the digital space irl streaming i think that's the absolute thing because it started with the kids and now adults are seeing how much money that's in this irl streaming and now adults are starting to do it and it's i don't want

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the adults doing kids shit though but

[Taylor]

that's the thing it's going to become its thing where it's like hey maybe you can not have to crash out in order to watch people but in this day where people are behind their phones or not getting out in real life that's the only way that makes it feel like you're outside in real life talking to people watching other people live their life it's like reality tv but realer and in this time where we're moving away from everything fake everything ai that's the realest it gets yeah

[Andrew Schultz]

i think that like i think you're right yeah i think you're right and and this is this is always the case like this is just the newest iteration of like the reality show yeah so like reality shows became popular because of how cookie cutter sitcoms were so it's like all these sitcoms start feeling the same what happens when you just have people being with each other real world what the all these other reality shows holy and then now that those reality shows are so popular people are acting on those shows right so like they know what to do i'm gonna be the villain i'm gonna be the hero i'm gonna be the nice guy i'm gonna be the dick so now we don't trust that so we need something that feels more authentic and now maybe streaming is that but yeah a lot of money in it it's funny it's funny i would never watch a stream i love watching the clips i watch clips from adrian broner and dean the great yeah all the time i find them so hilarious and but would i ever sit down and watch a stream no but i'm also i don't even know when they scream yeah exactly

[Charlamagne Tha God]

it's not for me i just get

[Andrew Schultz]

the clips but it almost feels like the stream is a vehicle to make clips yeah and if you're filming for twelve hours straight you're gonna get ten clips for thirty seconds each that are

[Charlamagne Tha God]

funny bro kick got it now the kicker twitch one of them got it now all you got to do is say clip that and as when you're alive all you gotta do is say clip that and it'll clip whatever part

[Andrew Schultz]

you didn't know that yeah it basically clips the last thirty seconds and just

[Charlamagne Tha God]

throws it i don't even know i don't know what time frame it is you just say clip that it clips apart shoots it right up as you're screaming like you can't beat that but

[Taylor]

yeah there's a lot of kids at home there's a lot of people at times and so i'm telling you these people are streaming all the time and they have thousands of people watching them at any moment in time yeah it's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

truman show cowabunga no no no no

[Andrew Schultz]

i gotta go

[Charlamagne Tha God]

all right well taylor said fuck it taylor said we got to get the fuck out i love that i love that as always if you listen to this podcast you think we're smart you think we're intelligent you think we're brilliant you're absolutely right but if you listen to this podcast and think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit you're right too it's the brilliant idiots podcast thank you for listening