Rap Your Age

Summary

The Brilliant Idiots — "Rap Your Age" (May 1, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this episode, Charlamagne Tha God and Andrew Schulz deliver another round of their trademark blend of irreverence and incisiveness. They discuss their personal lives, the state of hip-hop and longevity in music, wild celebrity anecdotes, media manipulation, the intersection of authenticity, influence, and commerce, and react to recent political violence and conspiracies. The episode’s core message is about authenticity—especially in the arts—and how growing and ‘rapping your age’ is a better route to longevity and cultural relevance than trying to chase youth or pander to audiences.

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Personal Moments and Banter

• [02:01] Andrew opens with a story about possibly breaking his nose playing pickleball, riffing with Charla about the risks and eventual acceptance of injuries.
  • “Let it be like that. You got a broke nose, tell people you fucking participate in underground fight clubs or some shit. That'd be fire, you know what I mean?” — Charlamagne (03:32)
• The guys riff about street cred, aging, and masculine rites of passage.

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Reviews & Deep Dives: Movies, Music, and Influence

RZA’s Movie & Wu-Tang Reflections

• [04:23] Both hosts heap praise on RZA for his creativity and vision, especially given the new Quentin Tarantino-presented film RZA directed, wrote, and financed.
  • “Do you understand what RZA did with Wu Tang Clan is virtually impossible… make nine individuals solo stars and take them to various different record labels.” — CThaGod (05:45)
• [07:32] Andrew shares wild ODB stories as told by RZA (using a paper towel as a condom, crashing cars).
  • “Yo, this guy's just like radical freedom. It's free will personified.” — Andrew (09:04)
• Charlamagne draws a parallel between ODB, DMX, radical freedom, and how such unique energies rarely last long.
  • “Earth too fucking boring for ODB. Earth too boring for DMX.” — CThaGod (10:04)

Michael Jackson Film & Cultural Memory

• [14:12] They discuss the recent Michael Jackson biopic, the challenge of depicting his life (notably the choice to omit the abuse allegations), and broader debates about narrative, legacy, and legal restrictions.
  • “You investigated for 17 years, and you diddling kids. You gonna find some diddling, bro. Bro. Michael ain't even in the Epstein Files, son.” — CThaGod (16:33)
  • “I don't think Michael Jackson never touched no kid, bro. I think Michael is a kid.” — CThaGod (17:04)
• Spirited discussion about Michael Jackson's purchasing power, notably his acquisition of the Beatles catalog and even an attempted purchase of Marvel.
  • “Mike was gonna buy Marvel at one point. Do you realize that Mike was going to buy Marvel just so he could play Spider Man?” — CThaGod (22:59)
• [25:00] Jackson’s attempts to play Professor X in X-Men movies, with Janet as Storm, gets revealed by Andrew—leading to both hosts marveling at 90s/2000s entertainment culture.
  • “It is weird, though. He wanted to be the guy who has, like a school for gifted kids.” — Andrew (25:21)

Artistry, Influence, and Authenticity

• [39:28] Charlamagne and Schulz stress the difference between genuine and performative influencing, especially in the age of social media and clip farming.
  • “If your opinion can be bought, good or bad…you're a hoe.” — CThaGod (43:55)
• Discussion broadens into podcasting as a medium, the slow adaptation of advertisers, and how brand safety concerns miss the mark about where audiences really are.
  • “Advertisers still don't get it, bro. They literally still don't quite understand the world of podcasting.” — CThaGod (30:12)

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Industry, Ads and Business Talk

The Evolution of Podcasting and Advertising

• [30:39] Charlamagne recounts the Podcast Festival’s growing cultural impact, the disconnect between established brands and digital media, and how younger executives may push change.
  • “They're like, so there's no music here. Like, all of these people are here just to listen to people talk?” — CThaGod (30:40)
• [34:25] Andrew discusses ‘clip farming’ and the rise of synthetic online hype, manufactured trends, and their inevitable impact on both pop culture and advertising.

Authenticity and Influence

• [39:28] Importance of influencers believing in what they promote.
• [43:55] “If your opinion can be bought... you're a hoe. And literally your word ultimately will not have the value that it once had. These people are tuned into you, and you've gained this audience because they trust you.” — CThaGod

Monetizing Passion

• [48:13] “You want to find people... who actually believe in it. Not the people who are willing to do it for the check.” — Andrew
• [50:12] Teaching and the undervaluation of teachers addressed, with both hosts marveling at America’s failure to pay educators properly.

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Hot Takes and Social Commentary

On Michael Jackson, Allegations, and Media

• Extended riff on media narratives, celebrity legacy, and public willingness to “look past” or debate criminal allegations, focusing on Michael Jackson and media manipulation.
• They also touch on how AI and deepfakes are eroding public trust in everything—from images to news (27:30–28:11).

On Political violence, Assassination Attempts, and the Media Cycle

• [82:00] Andrew and Charlamagne analyze the media and public desensitization after a shooting at the Correspondents’ Dinner, pondering why major events now cycle out of discourse within hours.
  • “It was on Twitter for like a day, and two days later, people were like, yo, Megan Clay broke up.” — Andrew (82:11)
• [84:16] Deep discussion about whether violent political acts stem from mental illness, radicalization, or systemic failures:
  • “What if people have gotten to the point where this administration's policies have hurt them so much that they're fed up and they're just willing to risk it all?” — CThaGod (84:16)
  • Andrew and Chris add layers about conspiracy, manipulation, and mental health in radicalization.
• They stress the need to confront hard realities (“…deal with the reality that some of these policies have hurt people so much that some folks are willing to risk it all.” — CThaGod 98:46) but clarify that description is not justification.
• Assessment of violent rhetoric vs. violent policy and how leadership sets the tone for societal conflict.
• [99:00–103:10] Nuanced debate on where empathy stops being constructive if it turns into justification for violence, ultimately agreeing that “you can only push people so far”—but stressing that violence is not acceptable.

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Hip-Hop, Longevity, and ‘Rapping Your Age’

The 50 Cent vs. Kanye Moment and Its Impact

• [114:20] “Do you think hip hop would be the same today if 50 Cent outsold Kanye in 2007?” — Question from a listener
  • Discussion about the genre’s shift from gangsta rap to more introspective, diverse, and authentic perspectives as a result of Kanye’s ascendance.
  • “That was the moment the music industry shifted… and that's where you get your Drakes, your Kendricks, your Coles.” — CThaGod (114:21)

On Longevity and Growth in Music and Comedy

• [118:34] Jay-Z’s recent New York Times interview is unpacked:
  • “If you're trying to make young music and you know you're not young, it's going to be inauthentic. And people can feel that.” — Jay-Z as cited by CThaGod (119:47)
  • They tie this to other artists (Elton John, Taylor Swift, Drake) and comedy (mentioning the evolution of Chappelle, Andrew’s own career) and the value of evolving with your audience.
  • “I just want everybody to not be afraid to act their age. That's how you have longevity.” — CThaGod (124:44)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “There's never been another RZA. You do realize that, right? ...RZA was so one of a kind. Nobody can even duplicate what he did.” — Charlemagne (06:26)
• “The algorithm gives you what you see based on your interests and you can just make it inescapable...” — Andrew (37:18)
• “If your opinion can be bought, good or bad... you're a hoe. And literally your word ultimately will not have the value that it once had.” — Charlemagne (43:55)
• “Your fans are getting old, too.” — Andrew (124:56)
• “That young shit is only like a four or five year window when you're actually considered young. You might be younger than other people, but young to me is teenager to about 19. After that, you're not really considered young anymore.” — Charlemagne (125:36)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:00 | Broken nose story and embracing middle age | | 04:23 | RZA, Wu-Tang, and film discussion (including Tarantino’s involvement) | | 09:03 | Radical freedom: ODB, DMX, and the cost of living that way | | 14:12 | Michael Jackson biopic, media, allegations, and legacy | | 22:59 | Michael Jackson, Beatles catalog, Marvel, and entertainment business power | | 27:30 | The problem with AI, deepfakes, and public trust | | 30:39 | Podcasting and the disconnect of big brand advertisers | | 34:25 | Clip farming armies and the manufactured nature of online hype | | 39:28 | Authenticity, influence, and performative vs. genuine promotion | | 43:55 | "If your opinion can be bought... you're a hoe." | | 50:12 | Teachers’ pay and undervalued social labor | | 70:48 | On athlete dating culture and being real about monogamy expectations | | 82:00 | Correspondents’ Dinner shooting, media desensitization, conspiracy culture | | 84:16 | On radicalization, political violence, and how policy triggers public desperation | | 98:46 | Acknowledging pain from policy without condoning vigilante violence | | 114:20 | Did Kanye outselling 50 Cent change hip-hop forever? | | 118:34 | Jay-Z on longevity—‘Rap your age’ and grow with your audience |

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Tone and Language

The hosts maintain their signature mix of streetwise humor, blunt honesty, and thoughtful commentary. They're quick to poke fun at themselves and each other, but are also skilled at pivoting to serious subjects (political violence, art, mental health) with depth and self-awareness. The language is unfiltered, playful, sometimes profane, but always feels like an authentic conversation among insiders and sharp observers.

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Conclusion

This episode of The Brilliant Idiots reinforces why the podcast is both “idiotic” and “brilliant.” Through a winding mix of pop culture, personal anecdotes, and cultural criticism, Charlamagne and Andrew land on a resonant message: embracing authenticity, evolving with age, and rapping your age—whether in music, media, or life—leads to true, lasting impact. For those who haven’t listened, this is a must for candid insights into entertainment, influence, and the state of American discourse.

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(Note: This summary omits advertisements, host intros/outros, and non-content sections for clarity.)

Transcript

[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

I'm gonna give it a try. Wish me luck. Me again. I put in the license plate. It gave me an offer.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Unbelievable.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, I accepted the offer. They're picking it up Tuesday from the driveway.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I haven't even left my chair.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's done. The car is gone. I'm holding a check anyway.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

Pickup fees may apply.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yep. Charlemagne.

[Andrew Schultz]

The Guy Andrew show.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We are the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Back for another week of brilliant idiotness. We don't got no pre. No preum.

[Andrew Schultz]

We do. We do. We do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We do. Give me some preum, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'll give you some pre. Come right now, man. Oh, crazy. I don't even know if. If we can start to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What you mean. Okay, okay, okay. We already did the free come. That's over. Hezekiah Walker.

[Andrew Schultz]

What's good, man?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How was your week? Your weekend?

[Andrew Schultz]

I think I broke my nose this morning, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What? Doing what?

[Andrew Schultz]

I was playing break, son.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

God damn. How the that happened, man?

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Would a ball hit you in the face?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no, I felt up a dow. No, I slipped. And then like the racket is tethered to your arm and the racket kind of like I tried to throw the racket away, but it kind of just like stood there and I just. Or just bounced off the ground and smacked me right back in my life.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You think if your nose was smaller, would have. Would it have been more a hit?

[Andrew Schultz]

I've thought about this. It's like, currently it's at capacity, so I don't know where else it can go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

So it's like. I just hope it's not jacked up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It do look up. Like right here.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, it looks up, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, absolutely.

[Andrew Schultz]

Or what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know. It just looks up. I don't know if it was up until you said something. The perception is a.

[Andrew Schultz]

Now you see it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't. I mean. I mean, I saw it at first, but I'm thinking, okay, that could be sunburn or something like that, but damn. Does it hurt?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, it hurts a little. I didn't even know I hit my nose. I thought I hit my forehead because that's what hurt immediately afterwards. And then I started looking. I was like, why is there all this red? I hit it on. This is why I think I'm worried it's broken. I hit it on this side. Yeah, but this side is black and blue.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got to go to the doctor, bro. What the fuck is you. Why are you afraid of the doctor, man? I'm not.

[Andrew Schultz]

I called him. I'm like, yo, let me. Let me come in there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If your nose is broken, shit you can do anyway. What you going to do? Walk around a fucking face mask?

[Andrew Schultz]

That's the other thing. I don't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's nothing you could do.

[Andrew Schultz]

So what do I do? I just let it be like that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let it be like that. You got a broke nose, tell people you fucking participate in underground fight clubs or some shit. That'd be fire, you know what I mean?

[Andrew Schultz]

Street cred.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Some motherfucking street cred out here. Did you see Michael Jackson's movie?

[Andrew Schultz]

Not yet, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Me neither, but I'm going this weekend.

[Andrew Schultz]

I saw Rizzas. You were. You were going hard.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is an instant classic for me. That is already in one.

[Andrew Schultz]

He said it's one of the greatest movies that's ever been made to me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, it's one of my personal favorite movies that I've ever seen in my motherfucking life, number one. First of all, and this is documented, for years, I have been saying I would like to see Quentin Tarantino do a thriller crime drama based on Raekwon's purple Tape.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So I've always felt that there was some type of synergy energy between Quentin Tarantino and the Wu Tang Clan.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So deceit. Quentin Tarantino do this movie that RZA produced, directed, wrote, and funded himself.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

To see Quentin Tarantino present this and see all the little elements of Quentin Tarantino in the movie that RZA wrote. Cause rza's also a fan of Quentin Tarantino. So it was little elements that he put in the movie that, you know, you like. I'll give you an example. Without giving too much away, think about Pulp Fiction. You never saw what was in the briefcase. But the guy on the bus that gives Unique the book opens the briefcase, and you see what was in the briefcase was the book. Later on in the movie, when Unique opens up the book, the book glows. Remember how in Pulp Fiction it was open the briefcase? So it's like little small elements like that you like. Oh, and you had to get Quentin's blessing, of course. Put that in the movie. But for me personally.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Instant classic, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, I watch it. I liked it, man. I mean, I just think Riz is, like, amazing. He came on the pod this week, by the way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I saw it was literally one of

[Andrew Schultz]

the most incredible conversations I've ever had with a human being.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's a mastermind.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you understand what. Do you understand? What RZA did with Wu Tang Clan is virtually impossible.

[Andrew Schultz]

Impossible.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm going to take nine people, convince them to be in a group, Then I'm going to take those nine individuals and make them all solo stars and take them to various different record labels.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's like the Rothschild shit with banking. Like, he did it with rap. Like, also just him planting the seeds that have grown throughout the. Just the music community. There are a lot of people that are, like, eating fruit off of his tree that don't even know that it's his tree.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's never been another rza. You do realize that, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know how some people are so great they can be duplicated by somebody?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

RZA was so one of a kind. Nobody can even duplicate what he.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like Kanye's production style comes from rza.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. The sampling. But he even.

[Andrew Schultz]

He didn't. And specifically how he sampled.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Speeding things up, pitching things up. And the limitations that they had in producing that made them do that. Like, he was talking about the systems they were using, and it kind of forced them to create these certain sounds like, oh, it was just crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If RZA hadn't had, you know, there was a flood of his house or something, and he lost tons and tons of music. Yeah. If he doesn't lose that next wave of Wu Tang music. We're having a completely different conversation about RZA all the time.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, really?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely. Like, we're having a conversation about RZA the way we have conversations about Dr. Dream. Wow. To me. You know what I mean? Like, that's just how highly I look at rhythm, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

He said the craziest ODB stories too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, the movie is, you know, the character Unique. He said he based off ODB's energy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Mm.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause that was ODB's alias, a song. Unique, right? So he said this character has a lot of ODB energy in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did he tell you the story about

[Andrew Schultz]

when he used a paper towel as a condom?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No. The fuck? Oh, odb.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, I think I've heard that one before. But a long time ago when it.

[Andrew Schultz]

When he. When he took the car. I don't remember, like the story in the. In the movie without giving too much away where like. So ODB is like, he. He asked for a car because he got to go out and get some shit. Also, the way Riza tells stories is like fantastic. But like, none of them had license office, so they just got all these cars.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

New Yorkers, typical New Yorkers, they're in like this.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think this is Staten Island. They're in this like, house, but it's in the woods. It's crazy to think that, like a place in New York City got woods, but I guess Staten island got woods and it's like a half mile driveway. So they're like kind of deep. Obd. ODB asked for a car because he gotta do some drives out, crashes, that comes back, yo, I need another car. Guess another car drives out, crashes, that comes back, yo, I need another car. He's on the bqe. I think I might be converging two stories on the bqe, right? With another buddy of his. And he's driving, flips the car on the bqe. That's what inspired the scene where the car gets flipped. It's upside down. He gets out the car, starts walking on the bqe. His buddy's still in the car. Like, it's just crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And he's just saying. He's just like, yo, this guy's just like radical freedom. It's free will personified. Like, what would you do if you were completely free?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's only. I never met odb, but I feel like there's only three people I've ever met like that in my life that have that energy. I've never. But I see ODB's energy from afar. DMX. Radical fucking freedom. Radical freedom. Him and ODB would have absolutely been probably the best of friends. And you remember Shane Gandy from fucking Buck Wild, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Shane Gandy, Radical Freedom.

[Andrew Schultz]

What is the cost of radical freedom, man?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Short lives.

[Andrew Schultz]

You name three people and no longer with them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I think people like that aren't supposed to be here long. I really feel that way. I really feel that type of energy isn't supposed to be here long. It's actually, man, when you talk about people being from other planets and really just passing through, that type of spirit probably passes through the different dimensions quite frequently.

[Andrew Schultz]

Interesting.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And doesn't stay long in any of them. It's too boring. Earth too fucking boring for odb. Earth too boring for dmx. Earth too boring for a Shane Gandy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Good time. Not a long time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

Come on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But, hey, I watched it. It was so crazy. Salute to my guy, Alex Avant. And Avon has never steered me wrong. By the way, that's Clarence Avon's son, Rest in peace. Clarence Avon. He hit me a couple weeks ago and was like, yo, me, you know, Rhyth and I want you to see this movie. They wanted me to come out somewhere, but I couldn't make it. So they ended up sending me a screening, and I didn't watch it. But you know how somebody is on you, like, texting you? Like, yo.

[Andrew Schultz]

Cause they could tell if you watched.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. Have you seen. Have you watched the movie yet? Like, yo, you should watch the movie. I'm like, all right. I'm on the plane yesterday. I was like, yo, let me watch the movie. Which was ironic because when I finally opened it up for my screen and it was expiring at 11:59 that night. Yeah, yo, I'm watching it on the plane screaming, bro. Because I had the headphones on. So I'm yelling like, yo. Because it takes you through. So there's such a range of emotions.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that last 30 minutes, kind of crazy. Oh, my God, man. It's. I can't even tell y' all the reasons I love this movie until y' all see it.

[Chris]

Without giving too much away, what's the basic plot?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A war veteran. A war veteran who goes to prison when he comes home. But what you realize early in the movie, he's actually in prison because he helps people. Yeah, right. Not because he's some type of criminal, because he ended up helping people in a couple of situations. And there was a guy beating up

[Andrew Schultz]

his wife, and he defended her and fucked up the guy. And so they locked him up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Then he beat up somebody in jail who was a bully. Right. So, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

So he gets let out. He goes back to, like, I guess his hometown in Ohio.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause he has to. For probation.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So he has to go back to Ohio. And then it's just like, there's like

[Andrew Schultz]

a racist gang in Ohio.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't say. Don't tell him everything.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that's this right up in the beginning, you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I guess if you see the trailer, you might see that. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

The trailer is presented by Quintino.

[Chris]

Turn a new page. But he gets.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, he's.

[Andrew Schultz]

Quentin Tarantino presented it. So you can assume there's some white people dropping his face.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Lot of good. I will say that. That's the only thing could have been better. They relied on, like, I. I like. They should have urban dictionary, more racial slurs. Oh, n word. Coon. That leave. That loses its luster after a while.

[Andrew Schultz]

There's really only one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, but then you can be creative, is what I'm saying.

[Andrew Schultz]

But I don't think. I don't think idiots are creative.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. Because it's specific. Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

What it takes to be racist.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know, does not allow for much creativity.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I liked it because it wasn't necessarily. It was political without being political.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That.

[Andrew Schultz]

The only thing for me was, like, how realistic is it that there are these people that are, like, openly racist to this level in a town in

[Charlamagne Tha God]

modern America, but we don't know if it was modern.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's a good point.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't know what time period it takes. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Are there any cell phones in it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, that's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Remember, everybody's on payphones. Even, like, they got the old school sobs. Like, I was even trying to figure out by the video game they was playing, but I'm like. Because on the video game, you see it's Vince Carter playing against Magic Johnson. Okay. I've never seen that game.

[Andrew Schultz]

And the game is a different type of game. So it could exist in whatever time period. Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And it was playing with, like, an old school. It looked like an old school Nintendo

[Andrew Schultz]

Power Glove, but it's a little different.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't know. You don't know what time frame it is.

[Andrew Schultz]

Then I could go. I could suspend disbelief for a different time period.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I asked RZA about that, and RZA said he did that on purpose.

[Andrew Schultz]

Cause he wanted the movie to be timeless.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. He said it was a cinematic decision because he wanted you to like just for example, like there are. You see like certain civil rights and stuff getting rolled back now, right? And you can hear. You'll talk to somebody like a Jim Clyburn who's been around for a long time, and he'll tell you his concern is exactly that, right? Like what happened in this movie. His concern is things like that happening. And so it's just like, you don't know if it was. If this movie happened yesterday. You don't know if this is gonna be the future, Right? You know what I mean?

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, yo, Michael Jackson's kid is in it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, Michael wants us to be back in the box office. Yo, Michael's spirit clearly wants us to be back in movie theaters. Yo, he was. His movie came out last week, broke all type of records. Now Paris Jackson is in a movie this weekend.

[Andrew Schultz]

Michael is invincible.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Michael is invincible.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Inevitable. What they don't say in Avengers of the Game? I am inevitable. I am inevitable. Michael really snapped and won, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Holy shit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It ain't no going back. Trying to fucking, you know, get the time stones and recreate time with Michael. I don't give a fuck.

[Andrew Schultz]

People don't even care about the allegations. They took the allegations out the movie. They edited it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, no. Yes, because. No, they had it in there because of legal reasons.

[Andrew Schultz]

The family was like, listen, you want us to sign off on this shit, you got to take it out. They take it out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it was another reason. It was something. It was the story they wanted to tell. They signed something with the family back in the day that literally said, they can't recreate this in any TV or movie. So with the family of one of the accusers. Yeah, that was it.

[Andrew Schultz]

I heard different, but that's fine.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The story came out like it was. It was. It was the family's name, homie. Look it up. Why were. But they still might show you that in the next movie because they say there's going to be another movie.

[Andrew Schultz]

Where?

[Chris]

Where does it end?

[Andrew Schultz]

88.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It said 88. I haven't seen it either, but they say 88.

[Chris]

That's the victory Tour, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right before. And they. And they literally say at the end of the movie, Michael's story will continue. That's why. I don't understand. Everybody's so mad.

[Chris]

Actually, I think victory was like 84.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, it ends at 88. They said, why weren't allegations?

[Andrew Schultz]

So here's the question. Do the Michael fans want that part of the story?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hold on, let's talk. Let me say this part real quick. Yeah, Michael did not include child sexual abuse allegations, primarily due to a legal settlement clause that barred the depiction of specific accusers, coupled with a production decision to end the film's timeline in 1988. Now, to answer your question, I only want him if they tell me one story, the truth. Tell me how he was investigated by the FBI for 17 years and they didn't find anything.

[Andrew Schultz]

They like his music too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

You think people in the FBI don't like Michael Jackson?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You investigated for 17 years, and you diddling kids. You gonna find some diddling, bro. Bro. Michael ain't even in the Epstein Files, son.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's above it. The Epstein Files was a cover band, you know what I mean? Like, compared to that, like, how many, how many priests from Boston are in the Epstein files? Just because you're not in the files doesn't mean that there isn't some bad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a solid point. That's a solid point. I, I, I want, I don't think, here's my thing. I don't think Michael Jackson never touched no kid, bro. I think Michael is a kid.

[Andrew Schultz]

I feel that way too, when I

[Charlamagne Tha God]

listen to his music. No, I, I think Michael is a kid who never had a childhood. And, you know, you know, let me tell you how fucked up the planet is, and I'm glad we're having this conversation. Yeah, the planet is so fucked up that if somebody is out here actually doing good, if somebody is out here actually doing the right thing, we look at it and be like, oh, that's fucked up. That's foul. He gotta be doing some foul shit.

[Andrew Schultz]

We do feel that way, but we feel that way with all success. It's like the second you have success, people are trying to tear you down. That's just like a natural human.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And he had a different level of success.

[Andrew Schultz]

There's an argument that nobody in history has been as famous one person.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The guy that Chris doesn't believe in,

[Andrew Schultz]

he wasn't famous back then.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Andrew Schultz]

Ooh.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So he got more famous after the fact.

[Andrew Schultz]

Nobody knew him back in the day.

[Chris]

No historical one. Historical reference who at the time, A Jewish writer by the name of Josephus mentioned him once. That's the only contemporary.

[Andrew Schultz]

What you trying to say over there, man?

[Chris]

When we talk about the truth, a

[Charlamagne Tha God]

couple trying to say over there, Michael Jackson is the.

[Andrew Schultz]

You don't think that they was doing propaganda back then too?

[Chris]

You think they erased them?

[Andrew Schultz]

You think that. You don't think they erased propaganda back then too?

[Chris]

Well, you know, would you write about

[Andrew Schultz]

the guy that was calling you out in your. Like, does America, when we write our history books, call ourselves out?

[Chris]

Well, we know the winners write history.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's what I'm saying.

[Chris]

And he was a loser in the moment.

[Andrew Schultz]

Exactly. So why would you write him into it?

[Chris]

It's a fair point.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know why Michael Jackson is the most famous person that ever lived? Because there's nobody on this planet who doesn't believe in Michael Jackson. You know what I'm saying?

[Chris]

Like, Chris, don't even believe in Michael Jackson versus Jordan.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, it's not even close.

[Chris]

I think it is close.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Michael Jordan faint. He meet Michael Jackson. He probably did faint.

[Andrew Schultz]

He probably did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They probably had to cool him off before they did that jam video, Right? Remember they did the jam video when Michael Jordan was playing against Michael Jackson. One on one. Michael Jordan probably had to take a couple deep breaths before he met Michael, bro.

[Chris]

You don't think it's a conversation, Jordan. No, think about the sneakers. Forget about just the players.

[Andrew Schultz]

Chris, Chris, Chris. You don't think that the rest of the NBA fucking Olympic team or whatever it is, the Dream Team. You don't think that they were being stopped in the street in Spain and they were asking them if they were Michael Jordan? Like, they don't know they're from Spain. They just see a tall black guy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They're like, Michael Jordan.

[Andrew Schultz]

Michael Jordan.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Look, it's Michael Jordan.

[Andrew Schultz]

They don't know. Nobody is questioned whether or not they see Michael Jackson.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nobody ever met Michael Jordan fainted. That we know of.

[Andrew Schultz]

They faint watching the movie.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's not even him. Now, I will say this, I will say this. Michael had people getting robbed for his sneakers, but not because of him.

[Andrew Schultz]

Him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But because the sneakers were so fire.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, it was because of him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, the sneakers was fire.

[Andrew Schultz]

If MJ put out a sneaker, people would be robbing him for that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If it was fire.

[Andrew Schultz]

Come on, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If it was fire, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

People sent their kids to his house after the allegation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But they stay like, what are we talking about? They understand purity. They knew that this man was not guilty of what he was being accused of. Let me ask you a question, and let me ask you this. If. If you were really do. Diddling kids, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

I didn't say he was diddly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I'm saying if you were and then you got accused of it, would you still have kids at your house after the fact?

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, of course, yeah. Nah, I mean, Epstein still went to the island after the accusation. After the first one. After he was convicted.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He did, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's when the island popped off. That shit. He didn't have to go to an island before. You know what I mean? Again, I'm not saying it happened.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think Michael touched them.

[Andrew Schultz]

Kids, let me ask you a question. Your parents buy you some Jordans?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right. Reluctantly. Because they're expensive. Yeah, yeah. You get robbed for the Jordans?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

They buying you more Jordans? No, never again.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's because of danger. They think that your life is in danger. That's my point.

[Andrew Schultz]

My point is they sent their kids back to the ranch.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They knew it was no danger.

[Andrew Schultz]

How?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They felt it in their spirit.

[Andrew Schultz]

You would.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know. I don't know. The way my. The way my anxiety is set up, like, you know what I mean? I can think the best, but my anxiety. The way my anxiety is set up will make me always lean into the worst.

[Andrew Schultz]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Mike, I believe you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think. Mike.

[Andrew Schultz]

But my anxiety.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't word up. And I also want to say, if you're going to put this in the movie, you have to show me how he. And it wasn't even a finesse. He learned the business of the music industry and had the resources and the capital to get things done. And he got it done.

[Andrew Schultz]

He bought those white people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He bought the white people. He bought the Beatles catalog and original whites. Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

He bought like British.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

After Learning from Paul McCartney. After Paul McCartney putting him on the game, angsta about what. What he should do. He literally bought the Beatles catalog. It was so valuable that Sony was like, yo, let's create a company, give you half of all Sony's publishing, bro. Like, and he was taking some of that publishing and giving it back to artists. Like that was a different level of power for one human to have.

[Andrew Schultz]

Paul McCartney was so humbled by that experience. He married a woman with one leg. Damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did you know no man married a one legged woman? What do you say? I'm gonna take over hip hop. Somehow or another, I'm a fucking take over hip hop. Somehow or another find me a one legged woman so I can take over hip hop. That's what that was, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think she beat him in a divorce too. She got like hundreds of millions from. In a divorce.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Andrew Schultz]

Isn't that crazy?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's crazy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Think she'd get like 75% or something?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So she had a leg up on him in his divorce. How the fuck did that happen? What the fuck happened?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, bro, he married a woman with one leg.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's crazy.

[Andrew Schultz]

And didn't make her sign a prenup. He's probably like, she ain't running anywhere, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She ain't going no motherfucking. Going no motherfucking where. You can't beat me in no divorce if you can only stand five toes down. You gonna need all 10. You gonna need all 10 to fucking take me out if I'm Paul McCartney with hundreds and hundreds of millions of dol. Are you out your mind? What? Hell no. Listen, show me that in the movie. Yo. Show me how much of a businessman Mike was. Mike was gonna buy Marvel at one point. Do you realize that Mike was going to buy Marvel just so he could play Spider Man? We could easily go into Universal and buy.

[Andrew Schultz]

We would own Jaws, ET Close Encounters, you know, all the classics from Universal own all that stuff that will allow us to do a Universal. I mean, a channel. Part of the Marvel channel can be

[Charlamagne Tha God]

not only the Marvel characters, but Marvel

[Andrew Schultz]

films like the catalog. We could do anything we want, from restaurants to retail theme parks. Dude. He did. Can I say this? Yeah. I can say this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

He didn't want to play Spider man in the movie. No. I'm being dead serious right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is. And I. I can't say who I heard this from, but he wanted to play Professor X and he came in and I think auditioned as Professor X and Janet wanted to play Storm.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Andrew Schultz]

And then the studio had. You can't say no when Michael fucking Jackson and Janet want to play characters in a movie.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Andrew Schultz]

So I think they had to indulge it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen.

[Chris]

I mean, look at that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Michael Jackson attempted to purchase Marvel comics in the 1990s, a move confirmed by Stan Lee. Michael was a huge fan of the comics, and he sought to buy the struggling company primarily to fulfill his ambition of playing Spider man in a live action movie. The deal did not come to fruition, however, and the attempt was shut down. There's actually a look to see if he. There's a phone call.

[Andrew Schultz]

Look to see if he tried to play Professor X. Michael Jackson wanted to play.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Where you got that from?

[Andrew Schultz]

I can bleep it, but I can't tell you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I believe. Listen, I believe you. That would have been fired. Oh, yeah. During casting For X Men 2000, Michael Jackson asked Bryan Singer if he could play as Professor X, which made the producer, Lauren Sheller Donner, respond. Do you know Xavier is an older white guy? Oh, yeah. Michael Jackson auditioned to be X Men Professor X Rolling Storm.

[Andrew Schultz]

And Janet wants to be Storm. It is weird, though. He wanted to be the guy who has, like a school for gifted kids.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I knew it was going. I knew it. They were adults, though.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no, the adults are the teach. I knew.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I knew it was going somewhere.

[Andrew Schultz]

Just saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I knew it was going somewhere.

[Andrew Schultz]

I didn't make this up, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I knew it was going to be.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is a true thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hold on.

[Andrew Schultz]

What you looking up now?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I'm just looking up the Beatles publishing thing because I want. By the way, we had this conversation on here long before fucking this movie. Yeah. In 1985, Michael Jackson purchased the ATV music publishing catalog for.

[Andrew Schultz]

So they didn't include it in this movie. It didn't include.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Should have been right in 85. They should have had that in there.

[Andrew Schultz]

It should have.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Acquiring the rights to over 250 Beatles songs, Jackson bought the catalog against the advice of Paul McCart, who had previously advised him to invest in publishing, leading to a rift in their friendship. The catalog served as a massive financial asset, later merging with Sony to become Sony atv. You know how much power that is, bro? Put allegations on this guy, man. This guy got too much. Are you pointing to me? No, not you.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, point that way. Fuck.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Put allegations on this guy. He got too much power. We got to slow him to fire 100%, y'.

[Chris]

All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All of that whole. Bill Cosby was trying to buy NBC. No, Michael Jackson was trying to do. He had it.

[Andrew Schultz]

He had it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then he was using that capital to go buy fucking Marvel, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Matter of fact, if you don't. If you are successful and don't have allegations, something, you might not be that successful or they might got something on you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I've been hearing that, man. I don't like that. I don't like that rhetoric.

[Andrew Schultz]

Don't you dare start me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, don't you starve me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't like the red. I don't like.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't like texting me this week. Don't you dare start me. You texted me this. This exact rhetoric. They got. Yo, what they got on your boy? You got caught by an AI image and he's like, yo, what they got on your boy?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You are.

[Andrew Schultz]

This rhetoric. What are you talking about? He said, what they got on your boy? You're not going to say who my boy is, but it's an AI image, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're right. You're right. You're right.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's an AI image. Incredibly famous person.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I couldn't believe. I was like, yo, what they got on your boy?

[Andrew Schultz]

Doing something you would never imagine him doing. And it's so clearly an AI image.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jose was like, you sure it's not AI?

[Andrew Schultz]

And then Charlotte, what do you say?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't even go back and look, I was like, you know what? You're probably fucking right. As soon as he said it, it just dawned on me, like, you know what? That is probably AI. It wasn't. Even though. We need to go back and look at the picture. That's why I don't want to live in this world full of AI shit, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

I know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, my God.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that's how they desensitize us to everything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. You don't believe nothing if you got to question everything.

[Andrew Schultz]

Exactly. And then when you do see something that is true, you already seen so many things that are fake that you're like, that are insane, that you're like, ah, it is, it is. It's just. You just move right on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's why the great disconnect is coming. I'm telling you. I feel it, I see it. I was a. This weekend, I was everywhere. I. I had to.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, how is that the. What's it called? The festival?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Podcast Festival was incredible. I feel like this was. This was the best year yet. Like, we've always, you know, it's always a couple thousand people there, but this was the best year yet.

[Andrew Schultz]

This felt the most hype from the way you guys. Like, this felt like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Exactly. The dots connected culturally and corporately.

[Andrew Schultz]

I also saw, like, a lot of creators talking about it. Like, not people who were there, but, like, people not. Sorry. Not people who are doing shows and people who. They're watching it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. And 100. I felt the same way. It was like, oh, okay, fine. The dots connected culturally.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? And by the way, the last four years have been amazing, but it. It almost felt like. It feels like we're in this podcast. Right. And what I mean by that, we've been doing this for 13, 14 years now. Best, I guess the best kept secret. But then when it starts to get out, people are like, yo. You know, Charlamagne and Andrew do a podcast. So it felt like that this year, we've been doing this for the last four years, same place, same time in Atlanta. But this year it was just like, yo. And then people just. Last year was like the first year, people just was like randomly pulling up, like. Like, not just. I'm talking about, like, people who want to see the show, but like, you know, like, I guess influencers and celebrities and stuff like that. And this year was the same thing, you know, What? I mean, like, Cheryl Underwood just popped up for no reason.

[Andrew Schultz]

So Duval in there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Duvall just popped up. You know what I mean? Who else? Clarissa, Shields and Papoose just popped up.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? Like, it was just. It was a good. Who else came? Michael Bivens from New Edition.

[Andrew Schultz]

Wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just.

[Chris]

Oh, really?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He just. He was in the crowd. He was sitting in the audience just enjoying it. He was just like, yo, I just wanted to see it.

[Andrew Schultz]

He was like, people listen to podcasts.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Exactly. He was just like, yo, I keep hearing about Black Effect and podcast. He was like, I just. I wanted to see and feel what a podcast festival was.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And he was like, I get it. I see it now. I'll tell you one thing, though. Advertisers still don't get it, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Just let them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not even joking. There was about 15 representatives from various companies at the podcast festival. No need to name who they are, but I'm talking about major retailers, big brands. Big, big brands. Big brands. They literally still don't quite understand the world of podcasting.

[Andrew Schultz]

What you mean by that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Meaning that they're like, so there's no music here. Like, all of these people are here just to listen to people talk? Yeah, yeah. That is the habit podcast have. And it was interesting because I went from the podcast festival to Orlando for my daughter's cheerleading competition. Then I had to go to Miami for the possible conference. And the possible conference is basically a big conference for advertisers and media. And me and Bob Pittman was on a panel. You know, Bob has a podcast called Math and Magic. So I was a guest on his podcast. And it was the same thing, having that conversation with advertisers, like, stop worrying about brand safety, you know, and just look at these podcasts. See the audience these podcasts are garnering. And put your product in front of these people. Stop thinking, you know more than the audience. Don't tell the audience that what they like isn't safe.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think it's an age thing, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Talk to me.

[Andrew Schultz]

I just think that, like, eventually the execs retire, and then the new younger generation that consumes the content of the generation come in and they start making those decisions. And then the scrappier businesses that are already online, they have to be more competitive. Like, Nike don't got to be competitive. It's Nike. You know, Walmart doesn't have to be competitive. It's Walmart. But like, the young, scrappy businesses, they have to go where the people are. So they hit the Internet first, they'll hit the podcast, they'll hit YouTube shows, they'll do all that kind of stuff. But once the, like, elite. Elite execs from these institutions retirement, and you have a kid who's been working there for 15 years, but he's 35 now or he's 40, he's been listening to podcasts for the last 10 years. He knows that's where he's been going into these meetings and pitching them and never been able to actually, like, stamp what he believes is the future.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I still think Nike and Walmart and those brands like that, they are established brands that are usually grandfathered in. But I do think. Thank you, Tonya. But I do think that they still have to be competitive in the sense that they have to meet people where they are.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, you're right. 100%. I'm just saying, like, those brands are managed by a guy who's probably in his 60s, and he's making, like, the highest level decisions.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. He's like, put it on the View.

[Andrew Schultz]

And it's like in his mind, that's what works. And then when you tell him, no, no, no. There's this dude Charla, and this dude Schultz, and they basically try to get each other to admit that they suck dick for two hours every week.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But they got a loyal audience of 4 million people a month are tuning into their podcast. 13 years.

[Andrew Schultz]

Because they're not even understanding what else is going on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, again, this is. But I. I promise you, in the next five years, you just see it happen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Less second, less.

[Andrew Schultz]

Two years, you see it happen. It's already happened.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's happening.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let's be very clear.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, it's happening.

[Andrew Schultz]

Think about all the actors that in this promo run for their movies have come on podcast.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

All the TV stars, all of a sudden, they completely avoided podcasts. Like the people that. They might have done traditional radio, but that's where it stopped.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

They'll go on the View, they'll do these little, like, junkets. Now. All of them are coming on podcasts to promote their films because they know where the people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. And if you're one of those big brands and you're still just promoting on the traditional platforms, you realize you're not getting the bang for your buck.

[Andrew Schultz]

Not. Not at all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're not getting the bang for your buck. So. And by the way, I think you should do a little bit of it all. I think you should spend a little bit of it on traditional. I think you should spend a little Bit of it on digital, spend a little bit of it on podcasts. Like, spread it around. Like you gotta meet people where they are. There's audiences everywhere. That's my only point. Like, everything is so fragmented. But fragmented nowadays is literally this place over here might have tens of millions and you may have never heard of them. Spend a little bit of money everywhere.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know where we're not far off from.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What?

[Andrew Schultz]

And like, I don't think the general public is like, aware of this shit. They're starting to become a little bit more. But like these like clip farming armies.

[Chris]

Oh yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, I think we're not far off from big brands going instead of advertising on places, I'm going to hire a clip farm army to just make generic content that's kind of about the products or the product is kind of included in. Not like a guy with a face of the camera, but like you see a Coca Cola being drank in a famous movie from back in the day. And what the clip farming armies do is they can trick the algorithm and trick people into thinking something's hotter than it is because they're inescapable. And then once something's inescapable, you assume it's hot. And if it actually is good, then it can rise to the top. And like, you saw this happen in music with the bots. Like, you take a great artist and then you bought the song and you go from a number three hit to a number one hit. You can't do it with a trash artist. Yeah, but I wonder, like, because the average person on the Internet right now that has like a real job and real responsibilities and kids and shit, they're not looking at the content they're seeing being like, oh, this is all clip farm shit. To make me think that this is a big thing. When that is the majority of the Internet right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think they notice it now.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, maybe they do, but like my, my, my mom or my wife or something like that who's just not chronically online. Chronically online, people like us see these trends. If you're not chronically online, you just see a person pop up six or seven times on your phone. You're like, oh, I guess they pop it back in the day. That's how it used to be. Now a lot of it is manufactured,

[Chris]

but you're saying it's like a hard branded thing or a soft branded.

[Andrew Schultz]

Soft branded.

[Chris]

Like, so you don't really feel it.

[Andrew Schultz]

You don't even. It doesn't even come from like. Like, this is something I saw that Was crazy. When HBO was promoting their newest Game of Thrones thing, they just had editors make Game of Thrones edits from past shit. Game of Thrones that was out 10 years ago, and it just galvanized the interest. They took these, like, iconic. Yeah, you go, oh, I love this world.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, there's a new Game of Thrones world I could be in. That sounds good. That is, you could argue, more effective. Seeing four or five of those is more effective than having the new lead character in the show go, hey, come watch my show.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, Schultz, what you're saying is so true. Because I was thinking about this with music, right? If you're an artist who has catalog, if you start feeding me little pieces of nostalgia, it just makes me want to experience whatever it is you're giving me. So now I'm like, I do want a new Jay Z album. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's where I think, like, that's what Drake should be doing. Even with Iceman, right? Like, don't get, like, the hype is there, but yo, this guy is. If you've been around for more than a decade, the last year or so when everybody was like, yo, I miss Drake, I miss Drake, start feeding them little bits of nostalgia. You be like, yeah, you'll remember that summer.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that is going to be happening. That's probably already happening. And, like, we might notice it when it comes up through certain, like, Instagram pages, which are like, more direct. You go, okay, this page really loves Drake, you know, huge fan for decades, blah, blah. That's direct. Like, you could see the chain. The way where it's really subversive is when the account got nothing to do with it. It could be a made up account, but it's pumping stuff out and now you don't see stuff from the people you follow. The algorithm gives you what you see based on your interests and you can just make it inescapable. And I think you're gonna see that with movies. Watch, watch. Once they start production on like a new fucking or. It already happened with Dune, right? They announced the trailer for Dune leading up to the trailer for Dune. You saw all these edits of the past two Doom movies and how sick they were, these awesome scenes. And you start going, oh, shit, Doom was fire. Then they dropped the trailer for Dune 3 and you're like, I gotta see it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Shit. Marvel's putting out Endgame again. They're rereleasing Endgame with new scenes.

[Andrew Schultz]

I Promise you, before that comes out, you will see the Internet populated, if they're smart, by tons of great fucking Avengers.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They're doing that now.

[Andrew Schultz]

And here's the crazy thing. You could. What's called astroturbit. So you could get the clip farmers to do it. And then once people see that there's views in it, they'll organically do it for free. Other people, because they'd be like, oh, this is trending right now. Let me get this hit. Let me get this out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's a man. Listen, it is a very, very interesting time. Another conversation we had at Possible. They were asking me what do I think an influencer is? And I said, an influencer is somebody who's not giving me performative. Influencing, meaning genuinely cares about the. Genuinely care about the thing that they're talking about. It don't matter if you have 5 million followers. If I know. Hi, guys. This right here is Poland Spring. You know, like. Like, if you're doing that, that's not gonna sell me, but it might be a guy that got 3,000 followers who's actually on there fucking up some Poland Spring. I mean, drinking that shit, Deep Throat in the motherfucking bottle, hitting that shit with the basket weave. I'm like, I need to try some of that motherfucking water.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? R. Call this guy for head, one of the two. Either way, what he's promoting has got me. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, to me, an influencer is somebody who actually cares about what it is they're talking about. Originally, nobody asked me to promote that movie.

[Andrew Schultz]

You love it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They sent it to me. They kept asking me to watch it. I watched it. I loved it. I wanted to share that with people. I wanted people to feel what I felt. I don't want to be alone in my feelings. Not when it comes to art.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's a lot of things I don't give a fuck about. I don't need you to like something for me to like it. But this was so good. I want to talk about it. Yeah, just like when you got a good book or you see a good TV show or you experience good food, I want. I want you to experience this, too.

[Andrew Schultz]

When I was at Cinemacon for Street Fighter, we did an event where we. I think they basically brought a bunch of people who were not only just like, not movie critics, but like, movie Internet connoisseurs or people that really loved either the game or whatever. But, like, I guess you could call Them influencers. But like, that's what they were passionate about and they brought them all into this room. We set up some stuff and we talked about the movie a little bit. And then they got to like ask questions, take pictures, etc. But like, that's a perfect example of what you're talking about.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like instead of, instead of holding the event for all the executives at some company, they held an event for the people that are actually gonna be the ones talking about the film.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right. That's right, bro. That's even the move with books. Like, you know, on social media you got all of these different people on TikTok who they actually have a thing called BookTok or you have like, you know, book influences. Just send them your product, send them the book they want to read. They're book connoisseurs. If they like it, they will talk about it also.

[Andrew Schultz]

They're so at this stage of the Internet, like they're not always included in these events. The View is going to get a copy of everybody's book. It's almost like run of the mill right now. It's like that's the traditional thing you do you want to go on the View or like. That's right, the morning show or whatever the fuck.

[Chris]

Used to be Oprah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oprah, like, whatever it is, it's like you're doing it. So these people that are trying to make a career for themselves online and carrying content to be included in a massive event, you know what that probably means?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yeah, you said used to be Oprah. Oprah still boomer.

[Andrew Schultz]

Of course.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Book club was just part of that big ass Amazon deal.

[Chris]

She did well because I think she realized the value in it and went back to it. But I think that's also why publishing companies are struggling a lot right now in terms of marketing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Chris]

The book is. Because it used to be there are five TV shows and Oprah's at the top of the list. And you know, it goes down and if you hit those, you're going to have hopefully a bestseller and you cultivate those relationships. Now they're 10,000 people out there. None of one by themselves has the concentrated power.

[Andrew Schultz]

But they each have.

[Chris]

But they each have a following and they're emerging every day and they're changing and there might be different people for different genres. And how does a publicity department with two people in it really stay on the pulse of that? It's a real challenge.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And also, I'm only gonna trust you with books if you're an avid Reader, you know what I'm saying? Like, the reason I wanted to have a book in print. Cause people, they know I'm an avid reader. And I recommend.

[Andrew Schultz]

Feels authentic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I recommend a lot of books. And the books that I even partner with are books that mean something to me that I think are going to, you know, bring something to the ecosystem. Arsenio Hall, a guy who I've always told y' all is one of my entertainment inspirations, would love to do his memoir, right? Like my Don Staley, the head coach of the University of South Carolina Gamecocks who has transformed this beloved program that my wife, you know, my wife went to school here. She was a student athlete at the school as a cheerleader. Like, yes, I would love to do her story. Right, Jess? Hilarious is out right now. That's my co host on Breakfast Club. But she has a great story about co parenting with her husband. That's something that could actually help people who are in these co parenting situations. So when I talk about these books, I can talk about these books with passion. You know what I mean? I can feel comfortable out there standing by these books. People feel that. People feel that. And that brings me to a larger point. You influencers out there, if your opinion can be bought, good or bad, if somebody can pay you to say something, or if somebody can pay you to not say something, you're a hoe. You're a hoe. And literally your word ultimately will not have the value that it once had. These people are tuned into you, and you've gained this audience because they trust you.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But when they realize, like, oh, man, this person just gets paid to promote that, they trust you less.

[Andrew Schultz]

Less.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When they realize that you might be getting paid to be quiet about some

[Andrew Schultz]

things, they trust you less.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They definitely trust you less. You know who you pay to be quiet? Horse your side. Chicks. That's who you pay to be quiet. You know what I'm saying? You can't pay me to be quiet. You're gonna pay me to be quiet about something.

[Andrew Schultz]

You can fuck girls for free.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you see what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

They're gonna talk about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They're gonna talk about us. I gotta pay you to be quiet. Now, if they can pay you for your opinion or pay you not to have an opinion, you're a whore. And eventually the audience will lose trust in you. Yeah, all you got is your word. Can't nobody pay me to do anything. You know what? If I'm standing by something, I'm standing by it because I truly Believe it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If I'm talking about something, I'm talking about it. Cause I actually like it or I used it, and I think it can benefit people.

[Andrew Schultz]

So people could pay you to talk about the shit you like?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No. You know what I think they should do? I'm glad you brought that up.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. They do do that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Reward people. Like, for example, if I, you know, like, say a book came out and there was just somebody that was one of the book talks or whatever, and they were just like, really, really promoting this project, I'm gonna reward them in some way. I might invite them to a meet and greet or. You know what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

I meant more like you're gonna. The book imprint is gonna make money off of these books you put out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that doesn't change the fact that you love these books.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, not at all.

[Andrew Schultz]

You wouldn't put a book on your imprint that you didn't love.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Schultz]

As you would make money.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Schultz]

My point is, like, just making money off of a thing doesn't mean that you don't believe in it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, no, no, no, no. I think that's two different things. I get what you say.

[Andrew Schultz]

And you should be able to make money off the things you believe in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Schultz]

Passionate about. And other people are able to make money.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

100%. 100%. You wouldn't establish. You wouldn't establish whatever it is you're establishing if you didn't believe in it. Right. I think so. I don't think you should do things just to try to make money.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I mean? I'm just speaking of these influences who are getting paid. You see that in politics. Like. Like all of that shit is crashing and burning. You see that in the music industry. All that shit is crashing and burning because people know, like, bro, you just get paid to. To tell us to vote for this person. You get paid to tell us about it.

[Andrew Schultz]

You might get paid or it's like, this is where the tricky thing is. There are people who are ideologues. Right. There are people who truly believe their. Yeah, right. So. But, you know, it's like those. What was that blog? I forget what the blog was. It was a Mike feminist blog back in the day. And it's like, it felt like the ETH blog was just, hey, men suck. Go out there and find it. And then. Because that's what they were selling. Now, they might believe that men suck and men need retribution for their actions, but at the same time, that was the product. So now you're looking for It. Even if it's not there, and that's. Now you start to like, fall under the. You fall under the definition of grift, I think, even though you do believe it. But if you're looking for it more than it's actually there, because you know, you can monetize. You can monetize that anger, that disorder, disgust, that frustration, and you're not willing to pivot when you actually don't think it's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

That to me is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, you're absolutely right.

[Andrew Schultz]

Inauthentic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And that's ex. That's the word I was looking for. Because what's going to. What people are going to gravitate towards to now, what they've always gravitated towards, but they're going to continue to gravitate towards to. It is authenticity.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And as soon as they smell like you're not authentic, they like, eh. You know what I mean? I would rather you not like the direction I'm going in anymore, but as long as I'm still being authentic. Like, for example, me, when I talk about mental health, I started talking about mental health. Cause I've actually. You were going through it, you know what I'm saying? And people like, I don't like that Charlamagne, cool. But that's me. That's who I am. So whoever I lose during that time frame. Hey, they weren't supposed to go on this particular journey with me.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's like me with paddle.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Padal.

[Andrew Schultz]

Paddle.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's paddle.

[Andrew Schultz]

Paddle. Why are they so fancy with it? They don't understand how the Spanish words are actually pronounced.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But why, why, why, like getting paddled. Why don't you get so kinky?

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, I've always been kinky. You know that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

But I just love. I just love paddle. And it's great.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And people think you're getting paid to do paddle.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, sure. No, they think I'm talking about pickleball. They don't even know what the fucking sport is. They're like, what the hell is this fucking thing? But I don't care because I'm obsessed with it. And I'm playing it three, four times a week. And it's this thing that gives me so much joy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And if you get endorsement deals from it. Oh, fuck. Yeah. You're already pro, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, if you. I am pro, technically.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Shout out neuro gum. I'm pro shadow neuro gum. You guys are the best. But that was their pitch on me. They're like, hey, we can make you a professional paddle athlete. And I go, yes. They're like, we can pay you. And I go, oh, also, yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See what I'm saying? But you're getting paid to do something you love.

[Andrew Schultz]

You want to find people you want. Like if I was a brand, I'm looking for the people who actually believe in it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Not the people are willing to do it for the check.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Because you don't even need to tell them to do much.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But those are the things you should get paid for. Like, I don't. People be like, you make so much money off it to help. How the fuck do you make money off mental health?

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, there's a whole industry where.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm sure there is, but I'm not in it.

[Andrew Schultz]

The pharmaceutical companies make a lot of money off.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I definitely don't. I'm definitely not selling zannies.

[Andrew Schultz]

Therapists make a good amount of money,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

but they're supposed to.

[Andrew Schultz]

But also, that's the thing with the therapist is like, I don't know. I don't know if you could pay me enough to just sit there and listen to people tell you how they want to kill themselves all day. Like, it's a gift. They deserve to get something.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's a gift. You're like, but you're a doctor. Doctor. There are, there are. They are doctors. So it's a gift.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. No, I, I am very supportive of them having a good life and making money. I think that they save people's lives. So I'm, I'm okay with that. Should we go, hey, they shouldn't make any money. You're just trying to help people. It's like, okay, I guess. But no, I don't. Then they'll get another job and those people won't get helped.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, I agree. Those people like that should be rewarded the most.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm saying, like, like teachers and, oh, hell, like, like doctors are supposed to make money. Like teachers should be making seven figure salaries if you ask me. High six figure, if you ask me. I don't deal with your little punk ass kids all mother.

[Andrew Schultz]

Bro. It's, it is the trickiest thing because there's not a person on the planet that doesn't think that teachers should get paid more. But somehow they don't. So it's like, you know what I mean? Like, where are we? Like, what's off here?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

If you ask any person on the street, like, hey, do you think teachers should make more money? The answer probably unanimously would be like, yeah, be nice if they made a little more money.

[Chris]

The problem is it's always tied into property taxes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Chris]

And nobody wants to pay more tax property tax than they already are tied into something else. Well, that's. That's the new conversation.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm just saying, to me it seems like a no brainer because there's unanimous support, right? Like I've yet to meet an American. At least that you go, hey, do you think teachers could make a little more money? They went, fuck no. They get the summer off.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, it's wild that we don't take care of teachers more, bro. Hey, think about. Yo, do you know how. Think about how crazy this is that you take your child someplace and drop them off with this person for hours at a time during the day?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. And most of them don't them. And I think that there should be some sort of like, reward.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Man, I'm not rewarding you for what you're supposed to do. You're not supposed to no kids.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, maybe we need to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right, Mark, this. Did this money, Mark.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no, not need to have sex with them. Maybe we need to pay him more. Maybe we need to reward them for not doing it. So then those teachers go, oh, all the other teachers that don't fuck the kids are getting bonuses, baby. I should not do that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think you should reward teachers because they're teachers. They're educating our kids every day. You know what I'm saying? They're taking care of our kids well being every day. These teachers are responsible for our kids. Mental, emotional, even physical well being every single day. Y' all think of this teacher we had in fourth grade. Man, I will never forget this one.

[Andrew Schultz]

What you mean by physical well being?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause there's some teachers that could be fucking you up to my point that I'm about to make this teacher. I wanna say her name. I don't know if she's dead or. She probably gotta be dead by now. Cause this was when I was in fourth grade. This woman used to fuck us up at Whitesville Elementary School in Moncks Corner, South Carolina. And anybody who had this fourth grade teacher, if I say her name, I know y' all know who I'm talking about. This woman used to be like, literally dragging kids across the classroom, hitting on em. And I'm like, yo, what the F. In our mind, that was normal back then. She wasn't supposed to be doing that.

[Andrew Schultz]

She wasn't. No, but she did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She did. That shouldn't be a teacher.

[Andrew Schultz]

But yeah, I agree with you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And what was. And by the way, it didn't matter what she was being paid she was just evil.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know what? When teachers were able to beat the students, I don't think they. Them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, this was different. This wasn't no paddling. This wasn't regular pat. This woman was abusive to us.

[Andrew Schultz]

I know. I'm just saying. I don't. I never heard about these controversies back in the day when you could paddle the kids.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah. I wasn't getting. I didn't start getting paddled till middle school.

[Andrew Schultz]

I never got hit in school by a teacher.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Really?

[Andrew Schultz]

Never?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, no, I never got hit by a teacher. You get hit by the principal?

[Andrew Schultz]

I never got hit by a principal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, no. I used to get worn the fuck out.

[Andrew Schultz]

Really?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, man. Mr. Barnett, he just died recently. God bless the dead. Mr. Barnes, I think. I don't know if Mr. Barnes is alive.

[Andrew Schultz]

Did you have a teacher that you would have let hit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What you mean a woman?

[Andrew Schultz]

No. That you like?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, a teacher not let hit. A teacher that I wanted to hit as a little horny ass young man. Yeah, of course.

[Andrew Schultz]

Me too. She taught sex ed.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What? Really?

[Andrew Schultz]

And I was like, man, I had a couple.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Boy, I remember my second grade, second grade teacher. You can bleep it, bleep her name. But bad man.

[Andrew Schultz]

But second grade, what the hell?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen, you gotta think. We're in second grade.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So is the teacher. Yeah, back then, them women didn't have etiquette around the kids. So she be sitting at her desk, boy, with her legs open. And you can see the panties, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

You just came out of one of them. Not too long, bro. I saw one at the bar we used to go to, like, the bar in New York on the Upper west side. There was a bar that we would go. You could go if you're underage. And we were all like, seniors. So you're like, what, 17, 18? I don't know how old you are, but I saw one at the bar, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Still got it.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, like, I was. I wish he had it back then, I'm saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But she still got it now at the bar?

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, I don't know. I didn't see her at the bar recently. I saw her when I was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

But now we're at the bar and it's like, what's the vibes? And she didn't get us kicked out the bar. Like, the responsible thing to do as a teacher would be like, yo, you got to get out of here. You guys aren't old enough.

[Chris]

Teacher in high school or middle school?

[Andrew Schultz]

Teacher in high school.

[Chris]

Interesting.

[Andrew Schultz]

She was our teacher currently that year oh, very interesting. So she's not kicking us out the bar. So it was like, you know, I mean, what do you do?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't go for it. That's New York, though. But so 17, sadly, is legal in New York.

[Andrew Schultz]

No way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ask Seinfeld.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why did. Why didn't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Remember when Seinfeld was walking around?

[Andrew Schultz]

Didn't he marry that girl or something?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think he married her. But he was like 38 with the 17 year old.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why didn't Russell Brand move to New York? Oh, no, I think it was legal. That motherfucker is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What was the point of sharing it?

[Andrew Schultz]

Me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No Russell Brand, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, he got it. He got to be getting. I thought you were upset at me for bringing it up. No, he got to be getting ahead of something. Something, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I mean, not really because he said in the UK it's legal. So he's.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's holding on to that Bible for dear life. Did you see Piers Morgan ask him what verse? And he was just sifting through the pages for two minutes straight, not knowing. Even Trump was like, I like all of them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I mean?

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, if you're gonna lie about the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bible, if you're gonna lie on the

[Andrew Schultz]

Bible while you're holding it, like, at least be prepared.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know.

[Andrew Schultz]

And he could have just read any verse, man. Just read any verse is better than sifting through the page.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I think? I think somebody told R. They got a role for him, but he got to go out here and clean up his image. And if he can clean up his image, he'll get the role. That's what I think this was because there was no need for this shit, bro. And here's the thing, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think he's taking advantage of the most forgiving people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's the most forgiving people? Christians. Yeah. Are they?

[Andrew Schultz]

I think. Are they? I think historically, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not when it comes to shit like this.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause Christians don't run Hollywood. What the fuck?

[Andrew Schultz]

But I don't know if he's. I think he knows he's out of Hollywood. I don't think there's a chance for Hollywood.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what was the point?

[Andrew Schultz]

I think he's got it. He likes. He likes attention. He likes to be, you know, a person who makes money and he has a lifestyle that he wants to upkeep.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I don't even understand the conversation. Like. Like, if you're. If you're. How old he said he was? He said he was 30 when he had. And he had sex with a 16 year old. 16 year old. Like for me, it's like that makes you look even stranger because it's not about the law in that situation. It's like, how are you 30, attracted to. What do you see in a 16 year old that would make you want to have sex with her? You can't use the law as that type of an excuse. My daughter's 17, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I mean? I know what a 16, 17 year old girl looks. They're kids. There's nothing about me as a grown man that's like, oh, yeah, I want to sleep with her. So it's just like, what are you doing, Russell? Is this right here? This is the quote?

[Andrew Schultz]

Nah, this is him sifting through it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Such a good actor too, man. Get him to the Greek is phenomenal. Yeah, I watched that shit too.

[Andrew Schultz]

He was really talented.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I watched that shit two weeks ago, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Can I go back to asking you

[Charlamagne Tha God]

a question about your Bible? Yes, if you want to. Thank you. That was that the one you took into court? Yeah, the very one.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What was your thinking of taking it

[Andrew Schultz]

into court and what you were seeing?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Looking at some passages, what were the relevant passages for you? All right.

[Andrew Schultz]

Thank you for asking me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Thank you. That didn't hurt, did I? A little bit.

[Andrew Schultz]

It was this from Isaiah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're right. Bear did say, you know, be chilled.

[Andrew Schultz]

Sometimes I lose the chill, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's brief.

[Andrew Schultz]

Is this skill of griddick.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, it is a lot to

[Andrew Schultz]

choose in the old gallery, but remember, you just said it's a hired spot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is from Isaiah. Gotta go for a proverb.

[Andrew Schultz]

Excuse me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He has no idea what the he's doing.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, shout out Pierce, though, for just letting him sit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, that's good. That's some good interviewing right there. Let him stew in that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Exactly. The split screen's so good. He really does look like that pigeon lady from Home Alone too, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bro, that's me looking at any menu in a restaurant. I'm so indecisive, trying to figure out what the I want. Bro, only look at Pierce Beers is

[Andrew Schultz]

like, you stay on them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Russell look like he wanted to look up what's good here.

[Andrew Schultz]

The verse that I was looking at that day was not this. I can't actually. I can't actually find the verse that I had that day, but this is good enough.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is from Isaiah 12. I'm gonna be honest with you. I never watched that whole thing. That wasn't as bad as I thought. It was, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Really?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause it seems honest, I couldn't find the verse that I was looking at that day.

[Chris]

Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that was the Bible he brought to court. So you think he would have it,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

have it marked or something like that?

[Andrew Schultz]

Raleigh,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

all right, man. I'm still tripping off the verse 16 that he put out there. Okay. Like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, that was wild. Chapter 16, you know what I'm saying? That was wild.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's just you feel like, you know when someone goes to jail and then becomes religious for the food?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, don't you feel like a little bit like, all right, did you really find God? Or there circumstances where this was advantageous for you? And that's what this is like. Wreaking of a little bit and. Or what is he.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What is he fighting though? What's the demon like? What is going on here, man? Women keep getting older, you know, he's

[Andrew Schultz]

like, lord, help me. These women keep getting older as I get older. What's going on here, Lord? Help me, Lord.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's pay some bills now.

[Andrew Schultz]

He had to start reading a book where a woman becomes a woman at 13. He's like, I'm in the Old Testament, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Man, imagine looking for a new. Imagine looking for a scripture to try to justify your sin, man. You know what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, God said at 13. What you want me to do? I'm a believer. I'm a believer.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh my God, man. Let's pay some bills, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

This week, first of all, Tampa. Thank you guys so much for the shows last weekend. Tampa's a amazing city. This weekend I'll be in Denver. We just added another show. We had a fifth show Sunday and I think that sold out already. So we added a six one Sunday as well. So go grab those. And then May 8th I'll be in Los Angeles for at the Greek Theater with Jelly Roll, a bunch of other great comics for the Netflix is a joke fest. Then Salt Lake City is sold out. But I think we're going to be adding shows. So, you know, look at my Instagram story. I'll announce right there. We got Virgin Beach June 5th and 6th and we got Halifax, Nova Scotia August 8th. And on my Instagram I'll be announcing some more stuff that we're going to be adding, man. So thank you very much.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My church announcements man. Jess Hilarious book is available everywhere. You buy books now. Tell deaf do we parent. If you are a parent who is co parenting, you know, with your baby mother, baby father, this is a good book for you because just explores her relationship with her baby father, Rome, and just takes you on the journey of how they, you know, got to the point where they became healthy co parents. And it's dope because they started off as young parents as well, you know what I mean? So it's, it's a.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is the same, this is the same guy she's with.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, she's married now to a brother named Chris.

[Andrew Schultz]

Got it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But Rome is her first baby father

[Andrew Schultz]

and they still are co parenting.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They're still healthy co parenting. Their oldest son, Ash. I think ash is 14 now, maybe 15.

[Andrew Schultz]

Got it. Great.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

13, 14, 15. One of the three I can't salute. I can't remember. But yes, just hilarious book is available everywhere. You buy books now. Arsenio Hall's book is still out there, man. People love Arsenio Hall's book, bro. I mean, and what I like about it, why could they not watching other comics pay homage to Arsenio hall, you know what I mean? Like watching the videos that they're doing. Godfrey did a real dope video Dean Edwards did a real dope video, man. So. So salute to y'. All. But both of those books are available everywhere. You buy books now. And we have a. A big announcement coming soon, man, with Breakfast Club and Netflix. Can't wait to talk about that. Probably. Probably next week.

[Andrew Schultz]

Can you give us a little teaser?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just stay tuned, man. Just stay tuned. Okay. What did you think about? I don't even want to talk about that. You give a fuck about that? I don't even about this.

[Andrew Schultz]

Which one? Which one?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The first one.

[Andrew Schultz]

I could care less.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I could care less, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm married.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I do want it. Oh, you know what I do want to talk about in regards to that situation? Paul Pierce's comments. Did you hear Paul Pierce?

[Andrew Schultz]

No. What did Paul say?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let me. Let me pull up Paul Pierce's comments. The reason I want to pull up Paul Pierce's comments because I. Earlier this week on.

[Chris]

We set the context of what the convo is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. This is what Paul Pierce said. Well, I'm going tell you the truth about NBA players or even people in the limelight, like movie stars or football players.

[Andrew Schultz]

A lot of these hoes is seasonal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hoes.

[Andrew Schultz]

And I ain't saying that's Megan, but a lot of these chicks be seasonal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It be cats that be talking to chicks during the season. Then after the season, won't talk to them all summer.

[Andrew Schultz]

They go live where they live.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then when the season start back

[Andrew Schultz]

up, they back in rotation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It could have just been seasonal for her.

[Andrew Schultz]

So they're buying houses together and introducing the family.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm cracking. I can buy this house, sell it. I'm still living the dream. Like, he's still living the dream. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's so hurtful.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, but I'm just. It's not me saying this. This is not me.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm telling you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who else is saying it?

[Andrew Schultz]

Like this is. I'm telling you to react.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Women need male homeboys. Women need male homeboys for conversations just like that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Talk to me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause those are the type of conversations I have with my homegirls, especially my homegirls who are in the industry. You know what I'm saying? Who might be dealing with dudes in the industry. Like, I either do one of two things. I either give them those type of warnings, or I say, man, leave me out of it. You know what I mean? Like, when they be like, yo, what's up with such and such? I got homegirls that are asking me about other guys that are in the industry. I don't want nothing to do with that the reason? I don't want nothing to do with that. Cause if that person breaks your heart,

[Andrew Schultz]

it's not on me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It ain't on me. You know what I'm saying? If that's something that you're looking to pursue, you pursue that on your own. And if it grows into something great. You know what I mean? But if he. If y' all just have a little fun with each other and y' all fucking keep it moving, that's cool, too. I don't want no parts of it. But that is why women need male homeboys to have those kinds of conversations with him. And you gotta listen to Paul Pierce. Paul Pierce lived it. He was an NBA motherfucking player. You know what I mean? One of the best to ever do it. So if he's telling you how NBA players move, why wouldn't you listen?

[Andrew Schultz]

It's really hard, people giving Paul shit for this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, no, no, no. I just was looking at it. Cause when we got on the air Monday, I just couldn't believe that this was such a topic of conversation. And I was just like, yo, this is why women need male homeboys. Because I would have warned one of my homegirls about dating the NBA player.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think I know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Especially if you're already in the industry and have dated athletes before, you should absolutely know how they could.

[Andrew Schultz]

The assumption should be, like. The assumption should be. This is the thing I don't get sometimes about women is, like, they'll say things like, all guys cheat. Right? All guys. Not even NBA. Like, all guys. And then you. You start dating the most cheatable guy, which is professional athlete. On the road five days a week.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Out there, girls DMing them constantly. And then they cheat. And people are like, I can't believe they cheated. And it's just like. But you believed it before.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. What happens? Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And the craziest thing about this, if you watch what she put on her Instagram, clearly they had a conversation. And the conversation was, I can't be monogamous, y'. All. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I can't be monogamous. Now people can say, well, he should have said that from the start. Sometimes, man, you and a person having some fun together, and then things start to get a little heavy and you gotta dip it in the bud.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, eh, that's chill.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And when they were like, what? He bought a house number one. They buy a house number one. I don't even think that. I don't think that that's true. I Don't think he bought her a

[Andrew Schultz]

house, even if it was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think he bought a house. You know what I'm saying? And whatever. But my thing is this. What is that to a guy that's made $400 million?

[Andrew Schultz]

What's a house?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, what is that?

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay? To them, it's nothing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It is nothing for him to spend a couple of dollars on another property that's even buying a car is nothing for him.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's a regular guy taking you on vacation. Him buying a house is a regular guy taking you on vacation. If a guy takes you on vacation, that don't mean he's gonna be faithful.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Vacation where everybody acts their wage, guys, okay? Everybody acts their wage. I've seen some wild things in my day, you know, you dealing with a Dominican, and you get her a Michael Kors bag and a limo. She love you. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, oh, my God. That's like a.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's my boo.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But for me, that's nothing. Not me.

[Andrew Schultz]

You got a whole other family in doctor.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

You got a whole other family in doctor.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

You don't need Michael Korsband.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying? That's a pair of chunkless women need male homeboys. And I'm gonna tell you something else. They even take it out of women. So y' all can't twist this as misogynistic. I got homeboys in the industry I can tell y' all about. I'm not gonna do it, but I can tell y' all about a situation in particular I'm not gonna name. I got a homeboy, younger, dealing with what? Was dealing with an industry woman that was older. Like, older. Like in her 40s, you know, at the time. Yo, yo, what you think, my brother? Have some fun.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let's have some fun.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause that's all she doing.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm telling you right now. Don't get your nose open over her, okay? Cause she's here for a good time, not a long time.

[Andrew Schultz]

She's old. She's old.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't get your nose all open over her. I'm telling you, all right? Look at her history. Look at what she just got out of. This is just gonna be. You're here for some fun, and she's here for some fun.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's okay, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And that's okay. And guess what happened. Exactly what I said was gonna happen, okay?

[Andrew Schultz]

I think we just gotta have different standards. Like, if you care about Monogamy. You shouldn't be dating an athlete. Athlete. Simple as that. And then if you go into it going, this guy's not going to be faithful. And then he is. Imagine how good you feel.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then a younger athlete. This guy got too much testosterone.

[Andrew Schultz]

Is he younger than. Is Clay younger than Meg?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I'm saying he's. He's older than Meg, but he's still a younger athlete. He's not even 40 yet.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He still got so much testosterone.

[Andrew Schultz]

Honestly, a retired athlete might be more dangerous.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Chris]

Because all the energy. They don't know what to do.

[Andrew Schultz]

They got all the energy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Andrew Schultz]

And they're not getting the same praise they used to get. So now they're like, I need my praise.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn. Even if it's a private workout, Shaq

[Andrew Schultz]

is out there djing to replicate Game seven.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I mean?

[Andrew Schultz]

He literally said that. He's like, it's the closest thing that gets me to game seven. He's DJing. Shaq, one of the greatest basketball players ever played in history, just spinning records to replicate Game seven.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My God.

[Chris]

All the entertainment jobs, athlete, actor, rapper, what have you. Which one is the least likely to be for the least.

[Andrew Schultz]

Is athlete.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Athlete. Definitely over actors.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause athletes on the road all the time. There's still some stability with actors, you know what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

You could be there. You know what I mean? Like, unless you're gonna. Doug Christie it. Like, his wife would be on the road with him every single weekend at the hotel. And I think he was a virgin before they got married. And that's like a fucking unicorn, you know? Like, it's. Nah, dude. If you're dating an athlete, forget it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Athletes. Athletes on the road all the time. City.

[Chris]

But they're more public than an actor.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not really. We don't know what athletes do there all the time.

[Andrew Schultz]

If you date a football player, you getting cheated on, bro.

[Chris]

More than NBA.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Because people don't even know who he is. He wears a helmet all day, so he's got all the money, all the anonymity, and he's so. He might even think he's. He's single.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I agree with that to a certain extent. The fact that people don't know who they are is what slows down the amount of vagina they probably get. It's worse than NBA players because they got so many options. Because you see them, you know, they face.

[Andrew Schultz]

Guys don't need that many options to cheat, my brother.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, not to cheat, but I'm just saying it's tougher for NBA players. Wilt Chamberlain don't get to those numbers. If he's a football player.

[Andrew Schultz]

100% you're not going to get to the numbers. But Arnold smashed his nanny or the housekeeper. So it's not like Arnold is a

[Charlamagne Tha God]

different breed too though.

[Andrew Schultz]

What does that mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because he was a level of superstar actor that a lot of people don't get to. That's the Terminator. That's as high as it goes. And he was a sex symbol. Walking around with the briefs on, little meat out, you know what I mean? Diesel is a motherfucker. Oiled up like women had him up on their wall like they wanted.

[Andrew Schultz]

Arnold, bro, we need to interview that,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that, that maid, you know the maid,

[Andrew Schultz]

Cuz that must have been a fever dream for her. Arnold's on top of her, pumping away with his accent. Yes, she could have never imagined that would be.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And he never had a one night stand. He left it in, you know, Arnold never had a one night stand, right? You always told him, I'll be back, I'll be back. Dad joke for the win. Dad joke for the fucking win. That's what Jay Z was talking about when he said you don't act young. You know what I'm saying? You act your age. That was the dad joke for the win.

[Andrew Schultz]

Nah, he smashed her. He fired her. And she was like, I'll be back. Damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She came back, yo, she came back. Back with a vengeance. Yo, the nanny is crazy. She wasn't even the maid. The. She wasn't even pretty.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, we haven't seen her. I can't say yes, I thought.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, that's her right there. What do you mean?

[Andrew Schultz]

Ah, she, she got some.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, he did that just for the conquest, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

With all due respect. With all due respect. This is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

With all due respect.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's why we gotta just. You gotta throw that out there. Cause he got a seed that's running around who's like in movies and that kind of stuff. Really? He's swimming. Look at him.

[Chris]

Yeah, the guy's a bodybuilder.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's a bodybuilder.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, that's the kid now.

[Andrew Schultz]

Exactly. So we talk about.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow, I thought that was a young Arnold. That's crazy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Hell, it is, Charla. It is. It is a young Arnold. It's exactly, it's exactly. It is a young Arnold.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I didn't real. I'm like, oh, he looks more like

[Andrew Schultz]

Arnold than his other kids.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How old is he now?

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't know. But he's out there in the world, he's doing great things.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what, man? God works in mysterious ways.

[Andrew Schultz]

He does.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? God works.

[Andrew Schultz]

God does.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is the vessel that God chose the nanny to be. The vessel that gave you a young Arnold bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, his other kid is a successful actor.

[Chris]

White Lotus.

[Andrew Schultz]

White Lotus. He was jerking off another guy in that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I blame the son, I'm not gonna lie.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, the other, the other. He was jerking off his brother. His brother jerked him off in the thing. Great actor, crazy scene.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can we talk about that for a second? Not the jerking off of the brother, the Arnold thing, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes, please. I'd love to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[Andrew Schultz]

Patrick Schwartz.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Patrick Schwartz.

[Andrew Schultz]

I just call him Schwartz.

[Chris]

Yo.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'd never seen him. I never. Yo, that's a good looking man, yo.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's a good looking man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow. He's in Hollywood.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's a Kennedy, right?

[Chris]

Maria Shriver's mother. So. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, he got some Kennedy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How was Maria's mother?

[Andrew Schultz]

Cause that's. That was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hold on. Who's the nanny's kid?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no, Maria is. He likes Maria's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Shut the up.

[Andrew Schultz]

Arnold. Love and Maria.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's the nanny's kid? Who's the. Is that maid's kid? The maid's kid. So Patrick is the mage kid?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, Patrick's Maria Shriver and Arnold's kid.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

And the other kid is named. What's his name?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay. Patrick comes from Great Stockton. That's great. I mean, that's a great breed, bro. That's great.

[Andrew Schultz]

Joseph Baina.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So that's not. Oh, so y'. All. That's not the guy. Y' all showed me the body. But the bodybuilder was Patrick.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, the guy we just showed you. The guy who looks more white.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

Is with Maria, though. The bodybuilder is with Mrs. Bayam. Wow. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, so let's talk about that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Whatever energy is over you. Yeah, it's over you telling you that you gotta talk to this nanny.

[Andrew Schultz]

Made.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Made. What if.

[Andrew Schultz]

What if.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What if John Connor comes from the future or just. Just something comes from the future, like in the movie? Came from the future and said, you have to breathe with this maid right now in order to create this, you know, young bodybuilder. Like. Like what energy took over him that not just made him have sex with this woman, but they conceived a child. That don't feel like an accident universally.

[Andrew Schultz]

That kid right there could father the child that saves the human race.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

And what we're sitting here right now shitting all over Arnold for saving humanity, and we won't even know we might be dead before that happens.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, I'm really thinking about this because it's like, bro, you know you're not supposed to cheat. No. But I'm just trying to figure out what energy came over him to where the universe wanted that to happen. And then that child comes into the world. Because everything happens for a reason, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

Has Arnold not had an incredibly successful track record? Is a man like that not incredibly disciplined? We're talking about a guy that probably watched every grain of rice that went into his body. Do you think that he is not capable of discipline? Of course he is. It makes way more sense to me that a guy came from the future, came back to him, and said, in order to save the human race, I'm gonna need you to knock up that nanny.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

And make a literal clone of you. Look, a clone of you. That he might save the world, or his kid might save the world, or his kid's kid might save the world. And here we are, the peanut gallery, criticizing this man for saving humanity. We apologize.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know if we need to apologize. I'm just saying this is what brilliantness is for, looking at things from other perspective. Is cheating wrong? Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Is human race dying wrong? Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But he had a baby with the maid, and the baby turned out to be another him have a baby. There's something that overcame him.

[Andrew Schultz]

I agree.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The spirit of that child or something. And was like, I got to come into this world through this. This vessel. That's the border. That was the border, bro. That was the border.

[Andrew Schultz]

And you know what? Arnold is an immigrant, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, snuck another one in. Yo. He snuck another one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on. Yo. A Mex Australian.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's Austrian.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No. What? Oh, he's not Australian.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's Australian. He's Austrian.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's Austrian.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. I understand, I understand, I understand. I thought he was a Mexican Australian. I never heard of any of that, bro. I never heard of that ever in my life. A Mex Australian would have been crazy. I did not know that. Correspondent Dinner shootout.

[Andrew Schultz]

What did Boosie say? The devil works hard.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Devil works hard.

[Andrew Schultz]

But God works harder.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

God works harder.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What do you think of the correspondent, Dennis getting Shot up, man. Well, did he get shot up?

[Andrew Schultz]

I. I don't even.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I. I don't even know. Cuz they. They announced at first that they killed the guy.

[Andrew Schultz]

What shocks me the most is how quickly people got over it. That was in the. The, like, the conversation for a day. It was on Twitter for like a day, and two days later, people were like, yo, Megan Clay broke up. Do you know what I mean? Like, how the. Does that trend?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, you're right. You're right. All right.

[Chris]

People involved in it got over it pretty quick.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Quickly.

[Andrew Schultz]

Ooh, what does that mean? What does that mean? Well, I mean, we got a little conspiracy going.

[Chris]

I'm just looking at what happened. I'm just watching the video.

[Andrew Schultz]

You think Erica Kirk did it?

[Chris]

No, but I think normally if you're the president and there's an assassin in the building, they get you out of the building. You don't watch from backstage, you see what's going on. And then I think when you have a press conference, an hour later, we

[Andrew Schultz]

are living in bizarro world, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why didn't.

[Chris]

I'm trying to be very aware of that, too, to be honest.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why didn't the Secret Service shoot the guy?

[Chris]

Well, they tried to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think they hit him once.

[Chris]

No, it was friendly fire. That hit the other Secret Service.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, they said they hit another Secret Service.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, I thought they hit him once.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I thought he was dead. Remember, they announced he was dead.

[Chris]

He said he was dead at first. What happens is he comes running in, they shot at him. They miss, but they hit another guy, a Secret Service across the lobby or whatever it was. The guy trips and falls. So now the speculation is not that it necessarily matters that much, but he never actually fired his weapon. Because if you remember, I forget who the administration official was like. Well, sometimes evidence disappears, which isn't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Chris]

Right. The guy had a shotgun that was going to fire buckshot. It would be sprayed all over the wall.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He had a shotgun? Yeah.

[Chris]

So he. He was armed.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That motherfucker was fast. Did you see the video when he ran it? That was quick.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like they tried to sign him the Bengals.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm telling you, that look like quicksilver running in there. I didn't. You know, I understand everybody questioning and every. Questioning everything nowadays. Right? Like, we just talked about that earlier. We talk about it damn near every podcast. You don't know what's real and what's not real anymore. The reason I don't like everybody rushing to say that this was fake is because it causes you not to have conversations that you should be having.

[Andrew Schultz]

I like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Meaning if you read his manifesto, right, at some point you should say to yourself, man, what if this wasn't fake? What if people have gotten to the point where this administration's policies have hurt them so much that they're fed up and they're just willing to risk it all? What if people are so fed up with government, period, that they're willing to risk it all? We saw it with Luis Mangioni, right? That's the name.

[Andrew Schultz]

Clearly, that is the case.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. What's his name? What's this guy's name?

[Chris]

Luigi.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Luigi Mangione. Like, we saw it with things like that. So there are some people in this society who have been hurt so bad by government, who have been hurt so bad by this administration's policies that they're willing to risk it all. Not saying it's right, no.

[Andrew Schultz]

But I also think there's, like, a mental health thing here, too, which is like a big.

[Chris]

A big mental health. Whether he was put up to it, whether he did it himself, the guy

[Andrew Schultz]

was clear the question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He was. I don't know. I mean, I don't.

[Andrew Schultz]

Look, the question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you think Luigi. Luigi was mentally ill?

[Chris]

Yeah, maybe a little less so.

[Andrew Schultz]

But I mean, look, in order to. When you do this, it's essentially a suicide mission, right? Like, so trying to assassinate anybody is. You're willing to kill yourself. Right. So I think there is an amount of mental illness that exists there. If you want to get into, like, conspiracy land, the question is, is basically like, has he been. Did somebody find him on some forum looking really upset and angry and hating Trump? And somebody. Did some organization. Who knows what that organization might be? Did they continue to amplify his anger and continue to push him and nurture him? And, like, I'm sure that this happens on a regular basis. I'm sure that we're not the only country where these things kind of happen. And we might be doing this in other countries as well.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

So it's like. Like, if that's the question, and then you want to know what that body is and what that entity is, that to me, is a conspiracy.

[Chris]

You know, Lee Harvey Oswald was probably mentally ill, Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, aren't all of them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But once again, you.

[Andrew Schultz]

But then who is the person that's feeding the.

[Chris]

Who's he a patsy for? He was famously called a patsy. Right. So in this case, is it an inside job? Did the government itself put this guy up? Is it an outside government? Is it. Is he rad? I mean, the official story is he was radicalized, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

By whom?

[Chris]

The leftist media and politicians. And they're to blame for this.

[Andrew Schultz]

So, okay, right, but then is it another country? Is another country that wants us to do something? Is it another country that is upset with the things we are doing? Right. Like, you can look at this a million different ways, and you can see how radicalized people are by the Internet. But I think you need to be a little crazy to get radicalized to the point of death. Like, this is a suicide mission. So you're basically getting radicalized to the point where you're like, my life doesn't matter anymore, and I'm gonna risk it for this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you think Unique in One, One Spoon of Chocolate was mentally ill?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, I didn't get that from him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But what drove him to do what he ultimately ended up doing? The system that he was in?

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, no, I think that, like, I don't. Without giving away too much of the movie, like, you know, there were some heinous things that happened.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The system that he was in, they were. The system that he was in was heinous. See, what we're doing is we're not even taking reality into consideration, by the way. We don't know what's real and what's not real. None of us in here could potentially be wrong. But if you.

[Andrew Schultz]

Look, I just want to be careful that we don't make it seem like you're justifying the action. I know you're not justifying it, but

[Charlamagne Tha God]

they already got that headline going. But I'm not. I'm just giving people another perspective. The manifesto. The guy says, I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist, and traitor and to coat my hands with his crimes. He said, I am a citizen of the United States of America. What my representatives do reflects on me, and I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes. I would still go through most everyone here to get to the targets if it were absolutely necessary, on the basis that most people chose to attend a speech by a pedophile, rapist, and traitor and are thus complicit. But I really hope it doesn't come to that.

[Andrew Schultz]

I hate to break it to you, buddy, but you got a lot more people on your list that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

That's your litmus test. You got a lot more to take out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying? But we live in a world where if you look at that manifesto. Right. You look at that manifesto, he clearly gave you a reason as to why he thought what he was doing was the right thing to do.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Nobody's questioning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So why do we dismiss the. As just fake? And I also want y' all to think about something else. Has anybody been arrested for the Epstein crimes yet?

[Andrew Schultz]

No. I mean, maybe like, not in America.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not in America. So who.

[Andrew Schultz]

The one woman.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The one woman. And Jeffrey. I think that. So let's think about it like this. If we lived in a country where we saw actual justice served, meaning that the pedophiles and the rapists that are in the Epstein files were actually, you know, charged, and we saw the trial, do you think he would be resort to wanting to take matters in his own hands?

[Andrew Schultz]

I think that maybe he wouldn't. But I think that there are other people that would for different things, like they would.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And those are probably the people that are actually mentally ill. But rational thinking people would probably be like, you know what? Justice is being served. The law is doing their job. There's no reason for me to try to play vigilante.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. A rational person would not do it. My point is, just because you're frustrated about things doesn't mean that you can go around killing people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But we're lying to ourselves if we act like that isn't always. That isn't sometimes the case.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, sometimes there are.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Vigilante justice does exist.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, it does.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But not saying it's right.

[Andrew Schultz]

As a civil society, we should push back against that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I am with you 100%. I'm just. I just think that we.

[Andrew Schultz]

You have been the victim of vigilante justice 100%.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's why I think we shouldn't have. We shouldn't just dismiss all reasons why people do these things. I think we like to say that they're fake to make ourselves feel better. I think we like to say that these people are mentally ill or they've been pushed up to do it to make ourselves feel better. Because we don't want to think that. Man, this. This country is really unraveling, bro, in a real way.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't think that's why I. I mean, you could be right, but I don't think that's why. I think the reason why. I mean, fake is a different thing, but, like, I don't think there is any justification for it right there. There are outlets for your frustration. You should definitely protest. You should definitely speak out against things. You should galvanize the people to make this Types of change. And that has been been effective throughout history in the United States of America. God bless. We've been able to do that. But when you bring it to, hey, I don't like the way this is going, I'm going to start killing people. Somebody might not like the thing you're doing, and then they'll feel just in killing it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When we reward.

[Andrew Schultz]

When we reward the act. And I think the reason why we assume it's crazy is because we understand that there is this social contract where we all take part in, which is, I don't like something, but I'm not gonna go take justice in my own hands.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's crazy? People like him are our president for the rhetoric that he spews. I mean, that is politically violent. This guy posted a video years ago. I saw this on cnn. He post, oh, no. Charles Blow actually posted this on his Instagram page. Trump posted a video once where he was. I guess it was AI. Where he was beating up cnn. So it was like a person, but it had cnn. He was beating the person.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, who do you think. Who do you think is crazy?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The President, I think, wow. Because he was the leader. He's the leader of the free world. He should know better.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, so you just have higher standards for him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. I think that if you're. Especially when they say things like, you know, you have to tone down the violent political rhetoric. When they say that to people like myself or they say that to people like Jimmy Kimmel or whoever, you got to start at the top.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, I hear what you're saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because our. Our rhetoric isn't violent. I'm not calling for nobody to get shot. I'm not calling for nobody to get beat up. But the president has. So if you see somebody getting ready

[Andrew Schultz]

to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of him, would you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Seriously, the president just was making fun of Robin Mueller last month.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Literally said, I'm glad he's dead.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, it's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good. That's. That's. But that's my point.

[Andrew Schultz]

That stuff is also insane and I think deserves criticism. Racism.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But.

[Andrew Schultz]

And like, I think the justification that you go. I think you could make more of a justification through violence when it comes to, like, what's happening with foreign wars. Right. Because now it's like these decisions are leading to the deaths of, you know, hundreds of thousands of people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This guy said he was going to wipe a whole civilization off the map.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right, Right. But there, I mean, there are directly correlated deaths. Like, you even look at what's happening in Like Ukraine, Russia right now, which we've kind of just like forgotten, but we're talking about. Jesus, I don't know, maybe over a million people have died in that fucking war. Some insane statistic that we're not even kind of considering or even thinking about. So, like, you could look at that and be like, what the fuck is going on? Like, why are these people engaging in this and supporting it? And over a million people, I might be getting that statistic wrong, are dead. Like, that's insanity. You start to go, that's insane. I get that. Right. 100. But there's no way you want to live in a world where we don't think the people that try to. Exactly. Political violence are crazy. You don't want to live in a world where we go, those people actually make sense. Because where does that stop?

[Chris]

It's a downhill slope.

[Andrew Schultz]

Exactly.

[Chris]

But the problem is we're also living in a world where there's a chaos agent in charge.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Chris]

Who's constantly lighting fires.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. Two things can be true and two things can be wrong.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The question is, I just wanna make

[Chris]

sure you're not a chaos agent. And, you know, know, are you creating an environment where these sort of things.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Chris, don't do that. Don't. Don't ask answers.

[Chris]

What do you mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, but don't. A chaos agent creates chaos.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But so don't say if you're a chaos agent. Are you? No. You're doing the CNN thing right now.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, but now what they're going to

[Chris]

say down on CNN right now they're

[Andrew Schultz]

going to say is, like, which came first, the chicken or the egg? Right. Because, like, now you guys are making the same argument that he's making. Make it right.

[Chris]

Everybody's claiming the other people are.

[Andrew Schultz]

Exactly. So it's like the administration, but the administration is. I mean, like, there being, like, issues between Democrats and Republicans preceded all of this. And the fact that there have been, like, assassination attempts on presidents preceded all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But to me, that's.

[Chris]

That's the evidence right now. Ronald Reagan was a Republican. I mean, that's the last assassination attempt that I really remember.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No mama had, like. Well, I guess it's between attempts and things that they thought.

[Chris]

Well, that felt real in the way that depending on who you talk to, these Trump ones feel real in a way that was different from Obama or any of the other presidents. People rallied around him on both sides when he was shot outside of the same hotel where the Correspondent Dinner took place. And a lot of that was because how he reacted to it and how he handled the situation. Right. Both in the moment and in the aftermath, there was still a sense on his part to bring people together, as I remember it, and a certain decorum, let's call it, if that's the right word. You don't think so?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not wrong. But there's another angle. A lot of people rallied around it because the Ellisons own CNN now. And so cnn, a lot of those people are falling in line at cnn. Okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think what he's referencing is.

[Chris]

I'm saying both sides, you know, but Democrats hate it.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, you're referencing the rhetoric of Reagan specifically, not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, you talking about Reagan.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no, I think. Yeah. That's why you guys are just.

[Chris]

The situation was people transcended the politics at the moment, and they were like,

[Andrew Schultz]

yo, our leader, this is getting too

[Chris]

crazy by a mentally ill person. No question. In his case. Right? That's not happening now because of the environment that's been created by Trump itself, to answer that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Chris]

Like, I'll be clear. Like Trump created. Not that he created to the point where these things are being staged. As a lot of people. I will phrase that as a question because I honestly don't fucking know. And that's part of the problem right now.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right. I think that the conversation that people would have would be like, this is not the first time the political violence has existed in the United States of America. Unfortunately, it's existed for centuries in the United States.

[Chris]

Abraham Lincoln was fascinating, of course.

[Andrew Schultz]

Of course. So it's like, yes, there has been this, like, you know, discourse. And then there are crazy people or there are people who are, you know, inspired by organizations, whatever the fuck it is. No matter how far down, like, the rabbit hole you want to go, but both sides are going to feel victimized in it, right? Like, the people who get shot at are going to go, you guys created the environment where people hate me so much. They shot at. And then the people who. Not are supportive of the shooting, but the people who hate the people in charge are going to go, you created this chaos that makes people want to do these things. And they're both just going to yell at each other. At a certain point in time, we have to go, okay, guys, we don't want people to get killed here. It's like, it's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's.

[Andrew Schultz]

You look at, like, gang, you know what I mean? It's like, oh, you killed my fucking grandfather three decades ago. And it's like, okay, well, then you killed my uncle.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Three days.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's like, okay, do we just do this until nobody's around anymore, or is there a certain point in time where, like, there's a different way we could settle on?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Different. I don't think you're wrong, Schultz, but I also think that, you know, once again, we gotta look at all perspectives. Right? Because it's not just violent rhetoric that's happening. It's violent policies that are happening.

[Chris]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You understand what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

Those can be wrong, too, by the way. Like, it doesn't mean that those aren't

[Chris]

gangs on equal footing. Oh, these are from the west side, the east side. The President sets the tone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Chris]

The President sets the policy. The President sets the agenda.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do we ever think, Chris, do we think about Doge and the hundreds of thousands of jobs that Doge got rid of last year? All of these federal workers still haven't found work. People have lost houses. People have had loved ones that have died because they don't have health care. Even when you think about, am I a person that believes there needs to be border security? 100%, of course. Think about the brutality of how some of this border policies have gone down.

[Andrew Schultz]

Of course, of course. But the question is, are you saying that it's justified because of it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I'm just. No, no, no.

[Andrew Schultz]

So it's like, so you. So that's how it's going to be consumed. Like, I don't think you're justifying it, but if I was somebody who doesn't know you, I would go, oh, he's saying that he deserved this and he made people radicalized through his.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think we have to deal with the reality that some of these policies have hurt people so much that some folks are willing to risk it at all.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, now. Now you're justifying it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not justifying it. No, you are. It's just a reality.

[Andrew Schultz]

But now you're justifying it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's just a reality that you have to deal with. I am. I. You feel like I'm justifying it, Miles.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, I think you can extrapolate out that, like, was Osama justified? Not justified? Was like, Timothy McVeigh, all, all these other, like, political. You were making the argument that people make about bin Laden, which is, well, if America wasn't doing this shit in the Middle east, and bin Laden wouldn't have done it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, I'm just saying that is the argument that they would make.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I just think that we would be remiss to not take a step back and not just have Conversations about violent rhetoric. Let's talk about violent policies that people have been watching over the last year and a half and how a lot of people have been hurt by those policies. And some of those people are willing to risk it all because to your point earlier, they don't have nothing else to lose, at least in their mind.

[Andrew Schultz]

Sure, sure. But I guess what I'm saying is we still go. It's wrong to do that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying, like, you still have to deal with the reality.

[Andrew Schultz]

But you and I both know from knowing people that are crazy that it actually doesn't take that much to get certain crazy people to do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can you be driven crazy? You lose your house, your grandma dies because, you know you couldn't afford health care. Your grandma been living here her whole life. She gets deported to some country or your wife or somebody that you love deported back to a country you've never been to. Can you. Can you be driven crazy?

[Andrew Schultz]

I think you can be radicalized for sure. I think there's a lot of proof for that. Sure. But again, it's like, I'm not saying it's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm just telling you, let's get the reality of it instead of just dismissing everything. It's like, oh, this is fake.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let me present a different scenario and you tell me if you feel justified. The border is open during Biden, and there are, you know, hundreds of millions of people that are coming in the border. There are certain people who have businesses that now can no longer compete because their labor prices that are way cheaper. Their business is closed. They can no longer be on health care. Their grandma dies. They're seeing their dad die. They're seeing their business fall apart. They have to sell their home. They can't sell their home. Their home gets foreclosed. Now they're not able to put their kid in the school that they were able to put in. And now their family is homeless and they're living. They get so radicalized, then they try to kill Biden. Or would you go Biden if you didn't do that? Violent policy, Then it's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't agree with it, but I understand. I don't agree with it. Same thing. The UnitedHealthcare CEO is the most is the best example. I don't agree with that at all.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I can understand how a person is radicalized to get to that point. I don't understand why we have to start dealing with the reality of that. Because if we don't Deal with the reality of that. That goes back to what Tupac said back in the 90s when he gave that whole analogy of. Of people looking outside of this house. They're starving. They don't have no food, can't afford to put food on the table. Their kids are starving. So at first they're asking. They're like, yo, we hungry, please let us in. We hungry, please let us in. Then they start singing, we hungry, please let us in. He said at some point, they gonch kick down the door and start blasting, depending how dire the situation gets. I'm standing outside trying to sing my way in, you know what I'm saying? We are hungry, please let us in. We are hungry, please let us in. After about a week, that song is going to change the we hungry, we need some food. After two, three weeks, it's like, you know, give me all the food.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right door.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

After a year, then you just like. You know what I'm saying? I'm picking the lock. Coming through the door blasting, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you hungry? You reached your level. You don't want any more. We asked 10 years ago. Is that right? No, Know. But if we don't deal with the reality of being able to understand, you

[Andrew Schultz]

can only push people so far. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. You can only push people so far. And I agree with you. Right? Like, you know, there's some person that unfortunately, I'm sure that they're like, kid, like, got cyber bullied and they took their own life, and it's like that dad is probably incredibly furious. Does he go and find Mark Zuckerberg and exact justice on him? And would you understand it if he did?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He. I mean, somebody might try to do

[Andrew Schultz]

that, but I guess. But again, again, once we start living that world where if you went through something incredibly painful, grueling, and awful, and then your actions are quote, unquote justified based on that pain, we stop living.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not justified.

[Andrew Schultz]

Got it, Got it. Understood.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Understood. Schultz, we're here. But that's what I'm trying to explain to people. We're here.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's John Q.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, we're here now, and we're having the wrong conversations. We're saying we gotta stop the rhetoric. If we stop the rhetoric, then these things will stop happening. Happening. No, there's an inequality that exists in

[Andrew Schultz]

this world, so maybe, yeah, yeah, maybe

[Charlamagne Tha God]

it's pushing people to this.

[Andrew Schultz]

I. Listen, I agree with you on that. It's like you can only push people so far before they Rebel. Yeah, right. And, like, people are being pushed. You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What was Eat the Rich?

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, it's. Yeah, but that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, it's similar.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm talking about, like a French Revolution type, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, that was the French Revival.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, no, no, no, no. But, like, this is the people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cake.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, it's like, well, let him eat cake.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Gotcha.

[Andrew Schultz]

There's no food. It's like, we'll let him have cake. And it's like, you're so detached from reality. There's these people with so much wealth and people are struggling to have jobs, and eventually you just push people to the point, like. And I've said this on a spot a bunch. It's like, it's actually in the wealthy people of this country's best interests that poor people are not struggling because they will be the first people to exact that revenge however they do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's all I'm saying.

[Andrew Schultz]

That being said, we hope that those aren't the measures taken. Taken because there can be people equally upset about a type of music. Right. Heavy metal music radicalized my kid. And then he did something like that. So now I'm gonna go shoot this. This, like, John Lennon gets shot in the street. You know what I mean? Like, there are crazy people that do these things. And it's like, while they're incredibly real circumstances. Before talking to this guy. Yes, we've read his manifesto. Like, yes, we've read this. And it's like, we can understand these things and these. Absolutely. But, like, I know from personal situations, people who deal with mental illness are incredibly radicalized by things because it feeds the anxiety that they already have. Right. So it's like they think that, you know, they're dealing with this unbelievable anxiety. And then they all start thinking, okay, God is talking to me, or these certain. Certain people are influencing me. And then their behavior is kind of out of whack with society. It's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, we have to find a way to. We have to find a way to take care of people.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because we should all be asking ourselves, why do these things keep happening? They're not happening because of rhetoric, guys. I don't believe that. I don't believe they're happening because of rhetoric. Because the reality is, who on the left is. Who's saying that kind of rhetoric? Like, they keep using, oh, you call them a fascist or you call them Hitler. Like, that don't have anything to do with it, bro. Bro. It's the things that you're ignoring. Like the Epstein files. The guy said it in the manifesto. If there's this whole big document out there that is literally unearthing this huge pedophile child sexual abuse ring.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And nobody.

[Andrew Schultz]

I get it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is being held accountable for it. It's just like in New Jack City when that dude was like, man, y' all ain't that old. Man, y' all ain't gonna do shit. I'm gonna take this shit into my own hands. That's what I see from this situation. So you're watching a person who feels like America's justice system isn't working. So I'm gonna be fucking Batman. Well, clearly I'm gonna be fucking Daredevil.

[Andrew Schultz]

Clearly it isn't working. Clearly it is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's all I'm saying. So it's like, I feel like we. Not we, but I feel like sometimes the media does everything to avoid the hard conversation. Because if. Because all the news networks. You have to ignore that manifesto. Because if you bring up that manifesto, then you gotta start talking about what Epstein. None of them want to talk about Epstein.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why don't they? Why don't they?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Shit. At this point, everybody's. This administration got they thumb on the scale. Cbs, cnn, you know, fox. Not gonna do it. Ms. Now. I don't even know what the fuck they got going on over there. Well, the only person having those conversations is still this. The YouTube podcast space.

[Andrew Schultz]

Interesting.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's all I'm saying. Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. What else we got? What else we got? You want to do some asking idiots?

[Andrew Schultz]

Let's do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

Let's do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, sir. Ask an idiot. Instagram, bigfellow_ Meek says, when is the next guest on Idiots? We need Donnell back.

[Andrew Schultz]

Lol. Shout out Donnell. Man, I saw Donnell the other night. Night at the Cellar.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I. I don't know how Schultz feels, but, you know, we got guests on Breakfast Club all the time. Y' all got guests on Flagrant all the time. When I come here to do Idiots, I just want to kick it with my guy. And you know what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

It's a tough thing. Like, Donnell is, I will say, unique in that he has, like, history on the show.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

So if we have people, it's probably just people who fit into that. But it's not exactly like an interview show. It's just us kind of here waxing poetic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got to know, you got to be a brilliant idiot yourself. Like, like, there's certain people I do like. Like you said. Donnell, Don L. Glasses Malone.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, glasses.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I like glasses. I always like glasses. Zori. Back in the day, Zori hall was a good brilliant idiots guest. I don't know if Zori will do brilliant idiots at this point in her career.

[Andrew Schultz]

Nah, we get her back, huh?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's my girl. I love Zuri. I talk to Zuri all time. I was talking to her yesterday.

[Andrew Schultz]

I love Ryan Davis when he came on. Ryan is a brilliant idiot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ryan was good.

[Andrew Schultz]

He has the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ryan was good. But yeah, so you never know. Who knows? Andrew the outlaw. Andrew, have you ever bombed and what was the most memorable one?

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, yes, so many times, man. Oh, my God. Let me think of, like a really good one. Like a really good, good bomb. I mean, I've told you a million times about when I got punched. I had a bottle thrown at me on stage. I had a lit candle thrown at me while I was on stage stage. And I saw the candle light go out as it was approaching. So, like the wind from the throw made it go out. I'm trying to think of like a really good, like a really good painful bomb. Circle back on me on that. I'm gonna. I'm gonna think about that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Brown underscore butter two with one of the ultimate, greatest brilliant idiot questions I've seen in a long time time locked in a room with Dennis Robin or Mike Tyson? Both coked up on bluechew in their prime. Woo.

[Andrew Schultz]

Who comes faster?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm taking Dennis. I think I got a better chance fighting Dennis. Nah, Mike in his prime. I think I got a better chance

[Andrew Schultz]

with Dennis losing to both. The question is like, nah, I didn't say he losing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It says locked in a room with Dennis Robin or Mike Tyson. Both coked up on blue chewing prime. I think I could take Dennis.

[Andrew Schultz]

We're talking about sexually or what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, you gotta understand, you're not asking me what I'm gonna do to him to get up out that room.

[Andrew Schultz]

What is he gonna do to you, is the question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, nah, nah. See, I've watched, first of all, Salute to Lil Dicky Dave. He has an episode, I think it's called pause, okay, where he gets out of a prison race rape through. Great episode, great episode. By offering to give consensual head. And then he goes down there. And he bites that off.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, he bites it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He bites it off. I mean rips. I mean bites the head off, spits it out. You see the big dickhead fly across the goddamn room shot. That's when I love that show so much. Not because of just of that episode,

[Chris]

but his podcast with Benny Blanco.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, it's really interesting.

[Chris]

Really good. I've gotten into it over the last. Really.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, so they're committed. Like they actually pod.

[Chris]

They're doing it and at first it seems just too loose too all over the place.

[Andrew Schultz]

But they dialed it in.

[Chris]

It's dialed in and they're getting a good mix of guests and the people are opening up. It's a good show, really.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, I mean, I've seen clips of it. I've never watched it, but yeah, I'm going in there with Dennis.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And that's how, that's how I don't even. I don't know if I would try that with Dennis. That's actually more of a mic move. Yeah, Me and Dennis gotta go head up scrapping first, like, you know what I'm saying? Cause he's taller than, so I don't have to hit him in the face. All of this is open baby kidney shots, ribs, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to the gut with it. All of the dick. Like, I feel like I can drop him with some body shots and get him the fuck up off me.

[Andrew Schultz]

I love that confidence, you know what I'm saying? I love that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And trying to fight with a hard dick. You blue chewed the fuck up and coke, it's a crazy combination.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, but you're gonna need to get something out of that dick, man. Cause here's the thing. Who do you think lasts longer in sex? Like, Mike is known for first round knockouts. So I feel like. Exactly. So if you're in there with Dennis, he's going to take you for hours.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If he wants, I'mma grab on his dick and swing. He's 6, 10. Yeah, I'm 5 6. Yeah, I'll latch onto that and start doing pull ups. I will not let go. You remember on that Friday movie when Cat Williams had that goddamn wrench or whatever it was and he locked it onto Terry Crews ball?

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's how I would latch onto his dick with both of my hands. Okay. And you got. Now you got to make decisions. Now you got to make decisions because I'm not letting go. Hit me all you want. I'm not letting the go.

[Andrew Schultz]

I know a great Bomb story. It's not even that great story. There's no, like, ending. That's fun. But I was in Columbus, Ohio, and I was bombing so bad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why did dick make you think about that? Why did me swinging on somebody's dick make you think about that?

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm trying to think. I don't know. The pain.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, the pain. And I remember I was just bombing so bad that at a certain point, I. I was just. I was bombing for so long that I just got bored because it was like, now we all bored.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know, like, I wasn't even trying to win them over. And I actually. I put the stool on the stage, and then I got. And I stood up on the stool. So I just. I did. I stood on it with my feet. So now I'm standing on the stage and then on top of the stool.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Stool.

[Andrew Schultz]

And I probably did, like, the last, like, 20 minutes just standing on the stool.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Andrew Schultz]

Just anything to keep, like, sound easy, to be honest. Well, I think there was, like, physical aspect. I think in my head, I was like, I need to. I need a challenge, right? And I'm not winning this one, so I need a different physical challenge. But. Oh, man, that was a. That was one where you, like. You think about that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What did you learn from that experience?

[Andrew Schultz]

I learned that eating, like, a. An ice cream cookie sandwich after at the hotel. Oh, that. That. That almost takes it away, man. Like, I. You know, like the spunk meer or something like that. It's like a chocolate chip cookie ice cream sandwich. And I remember I took down one of those, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's why you're a successful comic. You know, how many comics would went to cocaine? You went to a D. Ice cream sugar.

[Chris]

That's it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Some sugar. You know what I'm saying? Not booger sugar. Just some nice regular sugar to hit you.

[Andrew Schultz]

I got halfway through that sandwich, bro,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

and I was like, I'll get them next.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm pretty good at comedy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

I got good balance.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying? Quay Mercy says, what is the gayest thing you thought about today? Swinging on Dennis Robin's dick? Yeah, you know, biting it. RH the Great says, do you think hip hop would be the same today if 50 Cent outsold Kanye in 2007? Fantastic question. The reason that is a fantastic question is because I feel like, like, that was the moment the music industry shifted away from hardcore gangster street rap and decided to try to find more people who fit the Kanye aesthetic. And that's where you get your Drakes, your Kendricks, your Coles, your wale, your cuddies, you know, all of those individuals like that who literally essentially were the sound of. Since then, really like the game hasn't shifted back to street culture rap? Not really. For the most part.

[Andrew Schultz]

I would say with the girls a little bit explain like sexy, you know, then like there's been gorilla. Like there's been a little bit more to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think that's. I think that's Nikki and car Cardi though.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's like downstream from Nikki.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I give. I give Nikki and Cardi that.

[Chris]

But I don't see Nikki like Memphis in Chicago, you know, like that whole

[Andrew Schultz]

scene, the drill scene.

[Chris]

Yeah, that. That seems pretty gangster, but it is.

[Andrew Schultz]

But it's not mainstream exactly.

[Chris]

There's nothing it hasn't hit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They didn't have to. They didn't have the success of a DMX, a Snoop, a 50 Cent, a Jeezy like TI has anybody insane just

[Chris]

from a sphere sales straight.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not a street rapper, not a future.

[Andrew Schultz]

When you said has anyone, did you mean has any genre of rap or has anybody street?

[Chris]

I really meant across the board. Not even.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, Drake, Kendrick.

[Chris]

I don't think he hasn't sold as many. It's impossible to sell.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's a different type of sale.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Different type of sale.

[Andrew Schultz]

But you could make the argument that more people are consuming their music than we're consuming.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Musically, you'd rather have a career like Drake than dmx.

[Chris]

Sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Musically you'd rather have a career like dmx.

[Chris]

Sold more records, I'm sure.

[Andrew Schultz]

Sure. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But like physical copies.

[Andrew Schultz]

But it's like actual hours of the music consumed. I think these artists are just because of the access. Like, it's not even close.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, it's not even close. It's not even close. The careers that a Kendrick have had, a Cole have had, Drake have had. These guys have been consistently hot for a decade plus, you know what I'm saying? Like they weren't a few albums and then longer and. Yeah, it's not even. Yeah, it's not even close.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, that's another thing like longevity and music music, especially in what's popular pop music is usually a few year window for something new, cool and rebellious.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

And I'm putting rap in the pop category as it became like the foremost genre of music consumed in the world. To be able to do that over one decade is incredibly impressive. To be able to do that over two decades. I don't know like how many rock bands.

[Chris]

Oh, I can tell You. I put together a spreadsheet on this one.

[Andrew Schultz]

Tell me, please. Like, that's a.

[Chris]

So the artist that I calculated had the greatest longevity of all time is Elton John. And then Stevie Wonder is up there. I mean, Stevie Wonder was first, like in 1962. 63. And he had a very strong run into the late 80s.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Beast. Patti LaBelle.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think my.

[Chris]

I don't think she.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Her hit been around for a long time.

[Chris]

Number one.

[Andrew Schultz]

I might. I might be make. Sorry. Go Miles. What? Rolling stones.

[Chris]

Stones. 63 to about 83.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, but I mean, they toured up until. Oh, you can't count touring. You have to count.

[Chris]

I'm talking number one hit.

[Andrew Schultz]

That is the impressive thing. Seems to be the guy and Ellen did something with M even later in this band.

[Chris]

Well, but. But he wasn't on the original song. He did that at the Grammy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're right.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right. But yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

I'm trying to find this spreadsheet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I actually put this let's end on this. Cause that's a good note. That's a segue into this.

[Andrew Schultz]

Tell me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause this is longevity. Right. I thought this was good. Jay Z did an interview with the New York Times. Listen to what he said. Remember, hip hop was about the gift of discovery. That was the. When you went to school, you couldn't have the person that was already good. You have to say, yo, I got the new tape of somebody you never heard of. And it actually told the story of you. That's why hip hop became so big, because everyone wanted to feel those feelings. I tell people all the time, never fight against the future. Future's coming. Artists, they were trying to recreate something that was already done, but they're not connected to it like that. They're not living it and breathing it. They were fighting against gravity as opposed to telling their story. We needed that other side. We needed to hear about what happens when you have four successful albums. What happens? What is that feeling like, how do you make the next one? How did you get in the studio? How are your kids? Like what. How do you interact with them as this hip hop dad? But if you trying to make young music and you're not, you know, know you're not young, it's going to be inauthentic. And people could feel that. You could smell it. You know how Elton John continues to have number ones decade after decade after decade? By leaning into whoever he is in that moment.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not by trying to recreate something that he made 20 years ago or going into the studio and, you know Trying to do the sound that all the young people are doing. Let me lean in to who I am in this moment. When you're having these conversations about longevity, that's what this is. The people who will be around in any industry are the people who are not afraid to grow, evolve and give you themselves on that journey. Who give you a piece of themselves every moment of that journey. I'm not the same as I was when I was. I'm not the same as I was when I was in my 30s. I'm not the same as I was when I was in my 40s. Name, name them. I guarantee you if you watch Go watch Chappelle Killing me Softly and watch Chappelle now. It's not the same person. Things he talks about are different. Andrew, you, you couldn't make the, you couldn't make the life. Couldn't do it 10 years ago.

[Andrew Schultz]

Obviously not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, you couldn't. But the reason you were able to make the life because you lived life.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You leaned into who you were as a late 30s, early 40s something year old man trying to have a baby with your. With your now wife.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's how you continue to have longevity.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And it's so funny because I'm watching people, you know, talk about that Jay Z clip and they're. It's just, I don't know how y' all turn this into. He's hating on Drake or anybody. He's literally telling, telling everyone how to maintain longevity. 444. Sounds nothing like reasonable doubt.

[Andrew Schultz]

But isn't that, isn't that an indictment of the consumer, not of Jay Z.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The consumer hasn't grown. Well, the consumer's still young mind.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't even mean that like if you immediately jump to Drake. Is that how you feel about Drake's music? Ooh, that's a Daisy never said.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fantastic point.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right. He's probably spent himself in his position.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely right.

[Andrew Schultz]

But if your knee jerk reaction is to either defend Drake or hate on Drake, whatever it is, fantastic point. I think that says more to how you see him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Why would you think that he's. Why would you think Jay Z's talking about Drake? Do you feel like Drake makes too much young music?

[Chris]

Like the Trump pedophile question?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Wait, what's that?

[Chris]

Was that where the reporter from CBS said in the manifesto, you know, they said that the government is run by pedophiles and murderers?

[Andrew Schultz]

I didn't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I am not a pedophile. I'm not a rapist. I'm not A rapist. I didn't rape anybody.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, you think he was referring to you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Excuse me, I'm not a pedophile. You read that crap from some sick person? I got associated with all stuff that

[Andrew Schultz]

has nothing to do with me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was totally exonerated. Your friends on the, the other side of the plate are the ones that were involved with, let's say, Epstein or other things.

[Andrew Schultz]

But I said to myself, you know,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'll do this interview and they'll probably, I read the manifesto, you know, he's a sick person. But you should be ashamed of yourself reading that, because I'm not any of those things.

[Chris]

Oh, did you think he was talking about you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Exactly.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, you incriminate yourself.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Nixon famously said, I'm not a crook. And why was somebody saying, there's crooks in office? Yeah, they're accusing him and then he says, I'm not a crook. And then that's like his famous quote that got him cooked. And they were saying that was Trump's I'm not a crook. Interesting.

[Chris]

Can I correct myself very quickly because I found this spreadsheet, it's actually Paul McCartney. That was my guess too. First number one hit, 1963. Last one, 2016. 54 year old run.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The 2016 one was with Kanye. Them, right? Yep. Yeah.

[Chris]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Unbelievable.

[Chris]

Elton John had a 28. David Bowie actually had a 48 year run too. So out of contemporary artists, it's really Taylor Swift, Rihanna and Beyonce. Actually an 18 year run.

[Andrew Schultz]

Unbelievable.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow. If you look at her hits, by the way, all artists who are not afraid to grow, not afraid to evolve. They don't sound the same as they did on their first albums. They're talking to you about their life experiences. What Jay Z said is so true. True. Talk to me about being a dad. Talk to me about, you know, being married. It don't matter if it's boring to people because it won't be boring to everybody.

[Andrew Schultz]

I definitely think that, like Taylor Swift, for example, has changed musically. I don't know if she's changed and I'm not the biggest Taylor fan, but like, I think the criticism would be like, oh, you're talking about this heartbreak from this last relationship you went through, but that is the reflection of her life. So.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Maybe you're getting to see, see, you're hearing about these things she's experiencing and then you're getting to see like the creative version of it. So maybe that's enough, girl.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I, I just want everybody to not be afraid to act Their age. That's how you have longevity.

[Andrew Schultz]

I agree.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's how you have growth. That's how you have evolution. I promise you, if I was still.

[Andrew Schultz]

Your fans are getting old, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Your fans are getting old. And by the way, me and Duvall was just talking about this the other day, man. You got a bunch of older people who try to cage cater to young people, the young people. If you're catering to young people, that shit changes every three, four years. Because you're older much longer than you are younger. That young shit is only like a four or five year window when you're actually considered young. You might be younger than other people, but young to me is teenager to about 19. After that, you're not really considered young anymore. The game changes the game movement. If all the OGs are trying to act like the young people, who the young people gonna look up to?

[Chris]

Also, you don't have to make art about your lifestyle or your experience. I mean, we talked about Elton John. Elton John's never written a song in his life. He had a writer who would, you know. Benny and the Jets. What the fuck is that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He still had ideas, though.

[Chris]

No, Bernie Clappett, he famously had. He just cares about the music. It's all about the melody and the song.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's gotta have an idea. I can't believe Elton's never gone to the studio and said, yo, I got an idea for a song.

[Chris]

Look up, look up Bernie Tappan, his longtime collaborator.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, did Frank Sinatra write?

[Chris]

Frank Sinatra doesn't write songs. Beyonce doesn't write songs.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Beyonce has mad ideas. Beyonce produces. But my point is, Michael had writers too. Michael Jackson, but he had ideas.

[Chris]

The art is in the song. It's in the melody, it's in the chorus, it's in how it makes you feel. It's not directly tied into like, well, I'm 20 now, so this is what's happened to me at 20 and I'm 40 now. And this is what you know.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's where rap is unique, I would

[Chris]

say, but also limited.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes, that is true.

[Chris]

It's limiting in that sense, like having a go go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think it's limited because you have a lot of people who until recently were afraid to grow. This is the first time we've seen jay Z on 444 Talk like this. Kendrick Laund, Mr. Morale, is a big stepper. He's much younger than a lot of these guys. But to hear somebody talk about the things he talked about on that album different. Nas is literally talking about having brunch On Sundays. That's great content.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But common.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The clips, when they.

[Chris]

Well, what are 90% of number one songs about the end of the day?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Depends.

[Chris]

No, I mean, there's always one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Girls.

[Chris]

Love, love, emotion.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's it.

[Chris]

Forget about clothes or brunch or whatever.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Just sing about falling in love, think about breaking up. That's it. That's the form most relatable.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's the most relatable thing. But you gotta live life to do it. The human, the real human experience will always have people gravitate towards you. And to me, that's what causes longevity. If you're around long enough to continue to just to let people come on your journey with you and just give them the real human experience of your life. I don't think you can lose like that in any way, shape or form. And I'm telling you, a lot of y' all right now, y' all gonna look real stupid in the future because y' all are afraid to grow up. And some of these people right now that are commentating don't even realize how much the game has already passed them by because there's other people out there in the space that folks are going to for what they once went to you for, because you're still trying to play that young man's game instead of growing, evolving, and showing people where you are now. I know for a fact I couldn't be in the space that I'm in now if I was still doing shit that I was doing 10, 12 years ago. Imagine me at 47 sniff receipts.

[Andrew Schultz]

It would be hilarious.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it wouldn't. Y' all motherfuckers be like, get the arrest. That motherfucker's not in the files. Arrest that motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? Like, no, no. As always, man, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast, I think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit. You're right to, too. It's the brilliant of this podcast. Thank you for listening. Your next chapter in healthcare starts at

[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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